April 25, 2024 • 27 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses why you have to be at least a little concerned about Boston's Game 2 loss to a severely shorthanded Miami Heat squad if you're a Celtics fan. Later, former New York Jets scout and author Daniel Kelly swings by to preview tonight's NFL Draft and tell us why he has a 4th round grade on presumptive top pick Caleb Williams, why he believes Williams' former teammate at Oklahoma - Spencer Rattler - is actually the best guy available, what make Bo Nix such a good fit for the NFL, who he has in the Drake Maye vs Jayden Daniels debate and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up, straight firefan, It's me Jason McIntyre, straight
Fire for Draft Day, Thursday, April twenty fifth. This is
a monster night in sports, mons massive just you know
my men's league season opener, NFL Draft at five. You
(00:33):
got Philly Nicks, you got Lakers Nuggets. Oh gosh, could
you ask for much more than tonight? In sports? It
really should be glories and to get you prepared for that,
we got a monster pod today decided to interview an
NFL draft scout, former Jet scout, Daniel Kelly. We had
him on last year, or maybe it was two years ago,
(00:53):
and he had some kind of incendiary thoughts. I listen,
everybody's entitled to their opinion, right this guy worked in
the NFL, he was a scout. He he knows what
he likes, he looks for and he likes. I don't
think I've heard anyone else with his opinion on Caleb
Williams Jaden Daniels, who he gives a third round grade
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and his QB one is Spencer Rattler and listen, it's
insane because he has Kayleb. Williams is a fourth rounder
that's his grade. And Kayleb Williams is the one who
supplanted Spencer Rattler in Oklahoma and then went with Lincoln Riley.
So it's like Lincoln Riley clearly picked him. And listen,
obviously college differ in the NFL. It's a it's a
(01:38):
crazy take, but he breaks it down and he backs
it up with evidence that he sees. I think you're
gonna like that. It will gets you very amp for
the draft tonight. I'm not really doing a lot of
betting on the draft. The NBA betting has been absolute fire.
Remember I did not. I was like, guys, the bet
The only bet to make is the Miami Heat first quarter.
You got to have the stomach for it if you
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can handle it. It's not for everybody. They cover in
the first quarter, and then they win the game in
one of the bigger upsets. I think it's like the
biggest playoff upset in like five years. They were fourteen
and a half point favorites. Oka se was an easy,
no sweat winner, and I'm gonna be I'm gonna tread
cautiously tonight. We already have six ers. If you listened
to the potter earlier. I still can't believe that line
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hasn't moved. It's stunning to me. Maybe they're not moving
it because of Embiid. I do think you have to
go Orlando magic first half against the Calves at home,
they will show out. The Kis Center will be lit,
as they say in Orlando and Nuggets. Lakers are the
one that scares me. I kind of have okay see
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New Orleans game two vibes. I know it's going back
to LA, but when you get that gut punch of
a blown lead late and lose, it's tough to bounce back. Mentally,
the other team feels like they own you. They got
Denver ten straight, and you just you worry about the
mindset of the Lakers. I don't think Denver is unstoppable.
Like I said, I think I thought the Lakers could
(03:06):
hang in the series, and they certainly have. I think
should it should be one one, and then it's a
totally different ball game. I just I'm gonna sidestep entirely
this game. I think probably the only bet to make
is Lebron because you know he will be going all out,
probably points, rebounds, assists. That would be My guess is
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that Lebron is like, listen, we can't. You can't go
down three to Oh, it's over. It's probably over anyway.
But I'm gonna do everything I can. I'm gonna play
forty five minutes if i have to, and I got
an extra day off. Let's you know, let's go, let's
empty the tank. So I'm optimistic here for Lebron to
try his best. We shall see. I'm obviously rooting Lakers,
(03:47):
but yeah, good luck to them. Just a quick word
on the on the Boston Celtics. So it's funny before
the playoffs, one of the dumb futures bets is under
one and a half losses for the Celtics in the East,
so that would be three series. I thought for sure,
whoever they face in the first round, they would sweep them.
And then in the second round maybe it's a sweep.
(04:07):
You know, Cleveland maybe steals one. Maybe, and then you
go to the conference finals and I don't think there's
anyone that they're scared of. Indiana definitely cannot hang. I
don't think the Knicks can it. Just it definitely feels
like this is Boston's year. They come out in Game one,
they roll in Game two, you see early like, oh,
Miami is playing really really well. They had an awesome
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first half, but Boston's winning. Oh yeah, Well, they tried
hard and then Boston just kept letting them make three pointers.
And that is the one big fear with the Celtics
is that this team is all about the three pointers.
And they weighed I think they made twenty two in
game one. They're twelve of thirty two in game two.
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Not great, not awful. But what happened in Game two
for Miami? They shot twenty three of forty three from
deep Tyler Hero was unconscious.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He hit six.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Caleb Martin hit five. Caleb Martin just loves playing the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Huh, what a.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Motor on that guy. High Smith hit three. Duncan Robinson
back he hit two. Hi may hawkis who I love
in the starting lineup for Jimmy Butler, he hit three.
Yovic the young kid hit three. It's like they could
not miss from deep Tyler Hero looking like a point guard.
Twenty four and fourteen assists, folks. This was a massive stunner.
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And you know you now one one going back to Miami.
I know there's no Jimmy Butler, but is there any
concern if you're a Celtics fan, And I think the
answer kind of has to be yes, doesn't it. It's
like there's not a real you know, I mean, I
don't want Boston to go down, but you know, Jason
takelm turns an ankle, and what do we have here?
(05:53):
You know, it's like, oh boy, I just have no
idea what to make of that game. Miami could not
miss from three. I guess you know, Boston kind of
came out like we got this series. Porzingis did nothing.
He was a minus thirty two. I don't know how
that's possible, but he was a minus thirty two and
thirty minutes staggeringly bad. Drew Holliday, uh, not his best
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effort rough night shooting. It was essentially the Tatum and
Brown show, and they were excellent, but nobody else was.
Porzingis won for nine shooting. Just a gross performance from
the Celtics, and all you can hope is that this
was one of those like, oh, all right, everybody's due
a clunker. This is, you know, an all time great
regular season team. But we're not talking about the twenty
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seventeen Warriors. We're not talking about the ninety seven Bowls
or the O Is it the only one Lakers, the
one that steamrolled through the West and then beat the
Sixers in the finals or two thousand. Either way, it's
pretty clear this is not one of those teams. They're
just not and they're very good. I'm not gonna overreact,
and I think the Celtics will probably get a bit
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of a pass because the draft is today and people
were not screwedgize this and they'll go on to win
the series for one, but just one of those weird
losses where your trust level dips just a little and
you have to wonder, can Cleveland go postal from three?
Can Indiana cauld the Nicks? I don't, now, do you wonder?
I saw people saying, well, the Celtics have no chance
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against Denver. Come on, if they're playing like this bad
against Miami, no shot. I'm like, guys, it's one game.
Let's not overreact.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The vibes are not great in Boston, but it's certainly
not over I expect him to win the series, for one,
but the margin for error just shrunk considerably if you're
a Boston Celtics fan. All right, without further Ado, let's
get to our guest NFL former NFL scout Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows
everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports
fans want, but for everything he doesn't, he knows the
guy who does. Let's just say I.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
All right, let's welcome into straight fire. You probably remember
this guy. The last time he was on he was
dropping bombs left and right. And wait until you hear
some of these takes. Now, I don't think they're just
incendiary for the point of being wild, But man, Daniel Kelly,
former Jet scout, is really hot for this draft. It is.
It's known as a quarterback draft, Daniel, and I'm assuming
(08:21):
that means you just love all these quarterbacks that are
gonna get drafted tonight, right.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, some of them, Jason, some of them I do,
and some of them I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, it's a weird draft because I've seen the number
as high as four and a half and five and
a half quarterbacks over under first round. You got guys,
you know, respected NFL reporters saying six. I just I
find that really hard to believe. Were you on guys
who you think first of all, who you think will
go in the first round, and then your thoughts on
them individually.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, I have a total of five quarterbacks I've given
first round grades too, and that's after studying them for
the last two seasons, just about every single snap they've
all taken, you know, in the last two years, and
so that's where I kind of landed on them as
far as guys who are pro ready, because to me,
(09:12):
there's such a big difference between college football in the NFL,
and when I watch these guys, I'm watching them through
what I call NFL colored glasses. So I'm looking for
the characteristics and the traits the best translate to success
and what's been proven to succeed in the National Football
League over the years and really most recently.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Let's start with the guy everybody loves, Caleb Williams. I'm
assuming you have a first round great on him and
you think he's going to be a slam dunk with
the Bears.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
No, No, I actually have a fourth round grade on
Caleb Williams on his game film. I have completely removed
him from my draft board and as of today hot
off the press. I put a one hundred percent chance
that he'll be a bust in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
One hundred percent, I mean one hundred percent of a
bust like defined bust. Is Trey Lance a bust?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yes, Zach Wilson, Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Fields half and half, Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Half and half. It's good. Depend on how he does
down in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, that's fair. So what on film gives kill Williams
a fourth round grade? That's I think that's the highest
I've seen of anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, it starts with he provides. He leads the offense
with a very inconsistent rhythm and tempo. To me, a
quarterback is like a drummer in a band, and they're
responsible for setting the timing for all the offensive personnel.
Of course, receivers depend on this timing most of all.
It's inconsistent how he leads the offense. Number two, he
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has very inconsistent footwork on game film. It has been
spray painted all over his game film. It got worse
than twenty twenty three. And the NFL is a league
that is built upon timing routes between quarterbacks and receivers,
which of course is the art of the three five
and seven foot drop. Historically, Williams kind of does his
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own thing back there, dances around, and I believe he's
going to show inconsistent ball placement and ball security issues
when it comes to pass breakups and also interceptions in
the NFL because he does not have discipline footwork in
the pocket. Those are the two main things that really
concern me about him.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So I'll pretend like I'm Caleb Williams's camp. Well, yeah,
he didn't have good footwork because his offensive line was
trash and he was running for his life. Go look
at that Notre Dame game. The guy had no chance.
That's most game. Go look at the Utah game. Pocket
collapses before you can even get through the first read.
And so yeah, that's why Caleb kind of had to
bounce around. It's not like he had the cushy pocket
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Drake May often had in North Caro. I mean I
do obviously, I don't think Caleb is going to be
a superstar. I'm not one of these I I put
him in the Hall of Fame. He's got traits that
people love. But Zack Wilson had great traits, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
True, he did a matter of fact, that's my comp
for Caleb Williams as Zach Wilson. To me, there are
very similar quarterbacks coming out of college. Zach Wilson was
another one of these guys that really thrived against weaker competition,
thrived at getting out of structure, and that's where he
did his best work. So when I watched Caleb Williams,
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that's also where he does his best work. That's also
where we've seen all these highlights. And to me, he
just is a guy who I'm talking about. Caleb Williams
is the guy who thrives. I'm getting out of structure.
And that's a real problem because the NFL is a
league's that's built on play calling structure.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So do you think if Williams has a good pocket
he will try to win from the pocket? Do you
think he can says quickly enough or is it just
that on the tape, because again, like the tape can lie.
Remember college offense facing a certain defenses. You know, Lincoln
Riley's supposed to be a mastermind, and sure they're putting
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up a lot of points, but it didn't look refined.
It's weird. College basketball does not look like the NBA
I don't think a lot of college football looks like
the NFL. It's almost like two different sports.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Would you agree, I do agree absolutely. It's the college
game has become a special with nil now it's become
a lot more simplistic in nature as far as play
calling is concerned stuff. And also too, it seems like
a lot of these times these quarterbacks have just inordermate
amount of times to dance around back in the pock
against lesser teams and lesser levels of competition, and they
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just kind of wait till the receivers get open downfield.
So to your point, Jason, that's not, of course, at
all all the NFL works. It's one Mississippi, two Mississippi
throw and the ball had to be right there. That's
not the college game. Also, of course, is Kenny Pickett
found out the size of the football is even different.
And of course the NFL is a lot faster game
than the college game. So a lot of these guys
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that's you know, the transition from college to the NFL
proves to be very challenging because of those elements.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So somebody who was great in the pocket, Bo Nicks
crushed it with Oregon set all sorts of completion percentage records?
Was he a four or five year starters? Some like
sixty starts in college scene numbers? Where are you on
bon Nicks?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I have a first round grade on him? Hmmm, yeah,
I do eat.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
On bon Nicks. Okay, will they say more?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah? No, absolutely, He to me fits exactly fits into
the NFL's timeline right now. It's a league that's really,
you know, predicated on short intermediate passes. A lot of
times these are where a lot of these pass ranges
are are thrown and getting scripted in game planning, and
bo Nicks shows an incredible ability to not only hit
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those passes and those ranges being from zero to nineteen yards,
but also he can do it very accurately on the move.
Bow Knicks is also somebody who has started sixty games
in college football, which I believe is an FBS record.
He has a lot of experience for what people have said,
and so he's like having another coach on the field.
Commentators during the games have talked about how it's very
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hard to fool him because he's seen so much. His course,
his dad played a college football quarterback and also as
a coach, A coach as well, and so it's like
he has this ability to bridge to kind of cut
that time down, that transitional time. I believe bo Knicks
is a plug and play starter in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well wait a.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Minute, So you're telling me you think if bo Nicks
went to like the New England Patriots, they would be
good next year.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I believe so. Yes. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
See that's the weird part. Some of the like for instance,
i'man and listen, I don't remember where you had him,
but or maybe nobody asked you. But like Brock Perdy
coming out, you know, had been around for many years,
had kind of plateaued as like a sophomore. There was
talking about him going to the league, and then he
kind of leveled off and then went down a little bit.
Nobody liked him. Last pick in the draft, goes into
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the NFL and he can process. He's crushing from the pocket.
He's a statistical juggernaut now going on twenty some odd
games for the Niners. Like nobody saw that coming. Is
it possible you're saying bo Nicks could have like that
kind of impact on the right in the right team.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, I won't call him. It goes as far as
calling him the next Brock Party, but there are striking
resemblances in their game film. Because when I watched Brock
Purty pre draft at Iowa States, I actually comped him
to two thousand and two NFL MBP Rich gann and
pre draft and kind of saw a lot of that,
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you know, that intellectualism from the pocket really thriving in
the short the intermediate passing game. And of course it
was a beautiful fit for Purty going into into Kyle
Shanahan's system because that's what his system is, So it
was a perfect fit. So I came on YouTube even
before training camp even started, when Trey Lance and Brock
Party were there, and I said that, you know, Brock
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Party was going to beat him out in camp because
he fit that offense perfectly. Bo Knicks, I believe, gets
into a system like that where it's a lot of
short the intermediate range passes. And also a thing that's
kind of interesting about bo Knicks as he has such
a fast time to throw. I believe it was two
point four to four seconds per pff, you know, to
(17:30):
Apple's orders comparison between college and the NFL. But looking
at next gen stats with Tua Tagalova. It has the
fastest time to throw in the National Football League at
two point three six seconds. So really and truly, if
you do like a comparison, bow Knicks would have the
second fastest time to throw in the NFL if he's
able to do that in the next at the next level.
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And that's kind of the key to success. As part
of it is getting the ball out of your hand
quickly and making you know, good decisions with the football.
And so I do believe that he is a very
smart quarterback. He knows how they handle the ball, and
he's really grown as a quarterback as he's been in Oregon.
I'm very interested to see how that all plays out
in the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (18:25):
Where are you on the Jaden Drake May Debate? And
you know, for over a year, all everybody watching college
football said, oh, Drake May is going to go second
to Caleb And now in the last like two months
has been Oh Washington's taken Jaden Daniels because he lines
up with Kirk not sorry, Kur not Kirk Cliff Kingsbury's
offense in Washington. And to my my rejoinder to that
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is okay. Tell me the last time a franchise drafted
a quarterback in the top five when and they were
doing it because of their offensive course, nobody does that.
That's not how teams operate, Oh, Caesar changed like teams
changer socks. Come on. So, so Daniels versus May, where
are you?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I have May over? Daniels May is a guy who
was my QB two, as you talked about. I didn't
have Caleb as my QB one heading into the season,
but he Drake May was my QB two and uh
and Daniels as somebody who I have a third round
great on. Uh. So I've always yeah, I've always liked
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I've always liked Drake May more. I think he fits
the pro game better. He's a dual role guy that
has has a nice DP fall. Uh. He's he's very smart,
intellectual from the pocket all business reminds me of the
all business demeanor of a Matt Ryan or somebody like
that from the neck up. And and so you know,
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I don't think either one of those guys should go
top five. I actually saw Drake May all of his
games this last year and study them on tape, and
to me, he regressed in twenty twenty three. Drake May
actually his completion percentage dropped in twenty twenty three, but
you also could see it on film, because what happened
with May was that, I mean when he came into
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the college football scene, nobody really I mean some people
knew he was, of course, but the majority of people
didn't know who he was. Low expectations, and as the expectations grew,
and then of course people say, well he lost Josh
Doallins the receiver, and he had Tess Walker. But as
the expectations went up, what I saw in game film
was that May he got more. He had this look
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of frustration on his face. And that's why I love
TV film because when they panding close to his face,
he looked kind of frustrated, and he started pressing his
throws more and more, which affected his ball placement. May
never has always had average ball placement in my mind,
to begin with, he's always been kind of a hot,
cold quarterback. But in twenty twenty three, he regressed on
game film, and to me. He showed everybodybody that, hey,
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I have got to have a strong playoff structure around
me if I'm going to succeed as an NFL quarterback.
And that was proven by Josh Downs leaving and some
of these things happening at North Carolina. And if he goes,
I believe his best chance to succeed is between eighteen
and thirty two, or when those teams jumps up and
gets him, it would not hurt him at all. The
wait for a year and sit it out and just
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be on the bench and learn. And with Daniels, the
thing that scares me about him is he's like RG
three all over again, just waiting. You know. Injury risk
is very high on him because he runs the ball
with such extreme physicality. But even more concerning about Jaden
Daniels is that he has he has his tendency, the
tents up in the pocket and he starts bouncing around.
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He has happy feeds, and the coursette affects the timing
and the rhythm the ball placement downfield. And to me,
the biggest question that nobody I mean, I've posed this
question on social media adjacent to our listeners time and
time again, I'm like, Okay, so how is it that
Jaden Daniels with this elite athleticism in this way he
can run the football and with one of the best
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offensive lines in college football per PFF going into the
season top ten rated offensive line, plus he had receivers
Malik Neighbors and Bryan Thomas Junior. But he still has
this two point nine to one seconds time to throw, which,
again going back comparing PFF the next Gen stats, that's
the same as Zach Wilson's time to throw in the NFL.
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So the question is why can't Jaden Daniels, And this
is what I study is like, why can't he get
the ball of his hand faster? Why can't he make
faster decisions? Why is he holding onto the ball this
long in the pocket? And that's a huge concern going
into a team because a team like Washington for example
that you're talking about Jason, they have a really not
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a good situation offensive tackle. So he's not going to
have three, four or five seconds back there to try
to figure it out. He's going to have to make
quick decisions. Whoever goes in there is we have to
make quick decisions. Washington has one of the worst offensive
lines in the NFL last year. I believe they gave
up the second most sacks and sixty five sacks last year.
So whoever goes in there is going to have to
get the ball in their hand quickly.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So if it sounds like you had Drake May two,
Jaden third round grade, Caleb fourth round grade, who's.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Your QB one Spencer rather No, Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
The guy who Caleb Williams beat out in Oklahoma. When
Spencer got benched was several years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's probably a different different topic, but yeah, I know,
I mean, I mean, I still don't understand how Spencer
Ratler end up gaining bench in that situation because, I mean,
he was coming off the Bull victory the season prior.
He was five to zero in that season, he had
completed seventy six point nine percent of his passes throughout
the first five games. The week before the early bench
against Texas, he was eighty eight percent completion per sage
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against Kansas State and he gets pulled early in that game.
So yeah, he did get bench. Yeah, the way it
worked on everything, But Spencer Rattler, to me, has shown
the greatest ability to overcome adversity of quarterback in this
draft class. And that's really what it's about. From it,
Like they say in scouting, the game is won or
loss from the neck up. And he showed tremendous poise.
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I believe he was like nineteen years old at the
time when the when the benching happened at Oklahoma in
favor of Kayla Williams, and he and he came out
the next morning with one tweet he said, it's something
to the effect of, hey, way to go, guys, you
know six and zero, you know, by my brothers, And
that was it. And then he, you know, he goes
off to South Carolina. He has to kind of watch
because at one point everybody thought he was gonna be
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the number one pick. At one time everybody thought, yeah,
everybody thought he was gonna be the Heisman guy. And
so he has to go to South Carolina, sit back,
watch his old coach, you know, Lincoln Riley, take Caleb
Williams out the USC watch everything that happened out there.
Watch Williams win that Heisman everybody thought that he was
going to win. Didn't come out and say anything. Instead,
all Spencer Ratler did was he went to South Carolina,
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right and he he grew and he developed, and he
worked on his craft, and he didn't say anything to
me that shows trum and this maturity to me, that
shows tremendous leadership that he could go into a situation
and then of courses. Last year, I believe South Carolina,
according to I think Sports Illustrated had the hardest schedule
in the FBS going into the season. They were ranked
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like number seventy two themselves. He has all these offensive
line injuries, they went through like nine different combinations of
offensive linemen. They had, you know, Juice Wells, one of
his best receivers, goes on Week two and he had
the number one hundred and twenty eight, like one hundred
and thirty three teams that were ranked rushing attack in
the league. Yet he still produced a higher completion percentage
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in twenty twenty three than Caleb Williams. The guy grew
and the thing I love most about Spencer rather than
twenty twenty three tape is he learned to cut down
on the taking unnecessary risks and chances. I think by
bringing Don Logan's in there as young offensive coordinator really
helped mature him and make him pro ready. And the
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way he was open to that coaching and received it.
To me, is incredibly impressive. I'm really excited about Spencer
Ratler heading into this draft.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, now there's two things. A you like Spencer Ratler
a lot. Where do you think he goes?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's an unknown. I mean at this point, you know,
I've heard everything from you know, third fourth round. I've heard,
you know, Jim Nagy from you know, the director of
the Senior Bowl come on and say, you know, in
a video that he's heard that some teams have Spencer
Ratler listed as a starter to me starters first round.
So and I know the New England Patriots have shown
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a lot of interest based on what I've seen on
Twitter x in Spencer Rattler. So it's always kind of
to me an unknown. I never that's the thing. I
never quite knows where will guys end up going sometimes
or what round with it going, because it's very unpredicted.
I mean, this is a league that actually just two
years ago had Brock Purty as mister Irrelevant and now
(27:00):
he's in the super Bowl. So to me, it's like
it's hard for me to get inside other other people's
heads or what they're thinking now. If I was a
general manager, Spencer Rattler would be my QB one. I'd
run up to the podium, I'd sprint the card at
myself to the commissioner and make the announcement.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's wild, all right. Uh Spencer Ratler number one. Daniel Kelly,
former Jets scout. Uh, these are listen man, we like
hot takes. These are hot takes. I mean this is
this is good stuff. And obviously we will have to
have you back in a year. Spencer Ratler's even an
NFL roster, I don't know, it's possible. Maybe he's a
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starter next year.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Anything can happen. It's the NFL, like wacky things happen
in the league. Thank you so much, Daniel for taking
the time.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Hey, thank you Jason so much for having me on
your show. And I can't wait for the draft. It
should be a good one.
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up, straight firefan, It's me Jason McIntyre, straight
Fire for Draft Day, Thursday, April twenty fifth. This is
a monster night in sports, mons massive just you know
my men's league season opener, NFL Draft at five. You
(00:33):
got Philly Nicks, you got Lakers Nuggets. Oh gosh, could
you ask for much more than tonight? In sports? It
really should be glories and to get you prepared for that,
we got a monster pod today decided to interview an
NFL draft scout, former Jet scout, Daniel Kelly. We had
him on last year, or maybe it was two years ago,
(00:53):
and he had some kind of incendiary thoughts. I listen,
everybody's entitled to their opinion, right this guy worked in
the NFL, he was a scout. He he knows what
he likes, he looks for and he likes. I don't
think I've heard anyone else with his opinion on Caleb
Williams Jaden Daniels, who he gives a third round grade
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and his QB one is Spencer Rattler and listen, it's
insane because he has Kayleb. Williams is a fourth rounder
that's his grade. And Kayleb Williams is the one who
supplanted Spencer Rattler in Oklahoma and then went with Lincoln Riley.
So it's like Lincoln Riley clearly picked him. And listen,
obviously college differ in the NFL. It's a it's a
(01:38):
crazy take, but he breaks it down and he backs
it up with evidence that he sees. I think you're
gonna like that. It will gets you very amp for
the draft tonight. I'm not really doing a lot of
betting on the draft. The NBA betting has been absolute fire.
Remember I did not. I was like, guys, the bet
The only bet to make is the Miami Heat first quarter.
You got to have the stomach for it if you
(02:00):
can handle it. It's not for everybody. They cover in
the first quarter, and then they win the game in
one of the bigger upsets. I think it's like the
biggest playoff upset in like five years. They were fourteen
and a half point favorites. Oka se was an easy,
no sweat winner, and I'm gonna be I'm gonna tread
cautiously tonight. We already have six ers. If you listened
to the potter earlier. I still can't believe that line
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hasn't moved. It's stunning to me. Maybe they're not moving
it because of Embiid. I do think you have to
go Orlando magic first half against the Calves at home,
they will show out. The Kis Center will be lit,
as they say in Orlando and Nuggets. Lakers are the
one that scares me. I kind of have okay see
(02:44):
New Orleans game two vibes. I know it's going back
to LA, but when you get that gut punch of
a blown lead late and lose, it's tough to bounce back. Mentally,
the other team feels like they own you. They got
Denver ten straight, and you just you worry about the
mindset of the Lakers. I don't think Denver is unstoppable.
Like I said, I think I thought the Lakers could
(03:06):
hang in the series, and they certainly have. I think
should it should be one one, and then it's a
totally different ball game. I just I'm gonna sidestep entirely
this game. I think probably the only bet to make
is Lebron because you know he will be going all out,
probably points, rebounds, assists. That would be My guess is
(03:26):
that Lebron is like, listen, we can't. You can't go
down three to Oh, it's over. It's probably over anyway.
But I'm gonna do everything I can. I'm gonna play
forty five minutes if i have to, and I got
an extra day off. Let's you know, let's go, let's
empty the tank. So I'm optimistic here for Lebron to
try his best. We shall see. I'm obviously rooting Lakers,
(03:47):
but yeah, good luck to them. Just a quick word
on the on the Boston Celtics. So it's funny before
the playoffs, one of the dumb futures bets is under
one and a half losses for the Celtics in the East,
so that would be three series. I thought for sure,
whoever they face in the first round, they would sweep them.
And then in the second round maybe it's a sweep.
(04:07):
You know, Cleveland maybe steals one. Maybe, and then you
go to the conference finals and I don't think there's
anyone that they're scared of. Indiana definitely cannot hang. I
don't think the Knicks can it. Just it definitely feels
like this is Boston's year. They come out in Game one,
they roll in Game two, you see early like, oh,
Miami is playing really really well. They had an awesome
(04:30):
first half, but Boston's winning. Oh yeah, Well, they tried
hard and then Boston just kept letting them make three pointers.
And that is the one big fear with the Celtics
is that this team is all about the three pointers.
And they weighed I think they made twenty two in
game one. They're twelve of thirty two in game two.
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Not great, not awful. But what happened in Game two
for Miami? They shot twenty three of forty three from
deep Tyler Hero was unconscious.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He hit six.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Caleb Martin hit five. Caleb Martin just loves playing the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Huh, what a.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Motor on that guy. High Smith hit three. Duncan Robinson
back he hit two. Hi may hawkis who I love
in the starting lineup for Jimmy Butler, he hit three.
Yovic the young kid hit three. It's like they could
not miss from deep Tyler Hero looking like a point guard.
Twenty four and fourteen assists, folks. This was a massive stunner.
(05:29):
And you know you now one one going back to Miami.
I know there's no Jimmy Butler, but is there any
concern if you're a Celtics fan, And I think the
answer kind of has to be yes, doesn't it. It's
like there's not a real you know, I mean, I
don't want Boston to go down, but you know, Jason
takelm turns an ankle, and what do we have here?
(05:53):
You know, it's like, oh boy, I just have no
idea what to make of that game. Miami could not
miss from three. I guess you know, Boston kind of
came out like we got this series. Porzingis did nothing.
He was a minus thirty two. I don't know how
that's possible, but he was a minus thirty two and
thirty minutes staggeringly bad. Drew Holliday, uh, not his best
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effort rough night shooting. It was essentially the Tatum and
Brown show, and they were excellent, but nobody else was.
Porzingis won for nine shooting. Just a gross performance from
the Celtics, and all you can hope is that this
was one of those like, oh, all right, everybody's due
a clunker. This is, you know, an all time great
regular season team. But we're not talking about the twenty
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seventeen Warriors. We're not talking about the ninety seven Bowls
or the O Is it the only one Lakers, the
one that steamrolled through the West and then beat the
Sixers in the finals or two thousand. Either way, it's
pretty clear this is not one of those teams. They're
just not and they're very good. I'm not gonna overreact,
and I think the Celtics will probably get a bit
(06:57):
of a pass because the draft is today and people
were not screwedgize this and they'll go on to win
the series for one, but just one of those weird
losses where your trust level dips just a little and
you have to wonder, can Cleveland go postal from three?
Can Indiana cauld the Nicks? I don't, now, do you wonder?
I saw people saying, well, the Celtics have no chance
(07:19):
against Denver. Come on, if they're playing like this bad
against Miami, no shot. I'm like, guys, it's one game.
Let's not overreact.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The vibes are not great in Boston, but it's certainly
not over I expect him to win the series, for one,
but the margin for error just shrunk considerably if you're
a Boston Celtics fan. All right, without further Ado, let's
get to our guest NFL former NFL scout Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows
everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports
fans want, but for everything he doesn't, he knows the
guy who does. Let's just say I.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
All right, let's welcome into straight fire. You probably remember
this guy. The last time he was on he was
dropping bombs left and right. And wait until you hear
some of these takes. Now, I don't think they're just
incendiary for the point of being wild, But man, Daniel Kelly,
former Jet scout, is really hot for this draft. It is.
It's known as a quarterback draft, Daniel, and I'm assuming
(08:21):
that means you just love all these quarterbacks that are
gonna get drafted tonight, right.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, some of them, Jason, some of them I do,
and some of them I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, it's a weird draft because I've seen the number
as high as four and a half and five and
a half quarterbacks over under first round. You got guys,
you know, respected NFL reporters saying six. I just I
find that really hard to believe. Were you on guys
who you think first of all, who you think will
go in the first round, and then your thoughts on
them individually.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, I have a total of five quarterbacks I've given
first round grades too, and that's after studying them for
the last two seasons, just about every single snap they've
all taken, you know, in the last two years, and
so that's where I kind of landed on them as
far as guys who are pro ready, because to me,
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there's such a big difference between college football in the NFL,
and when I watch these guys, I'm watching them through
what I call NFL colored glasses. So I'm looking for
the characteristics and the traits the best translate to success
and what's been proven to succeed in the National Football
League over the years and really most recently.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Let's start with the guy everybody loves, Caleb Williams. I'm
assuming you have a first round great on him and
you think he's going to be a slam dunk with
the Bears.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
No, No, I actually have a fourth round grade on
Caleb Williams on his game film. I have completely removed
him from my draft board and as of today hot
off the press. I put a one hundred percent chance
that he'll be a bust in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
One hundred percent, I mean one hundred percent of a
bust like defined bust. Is Trey Lance a bust?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yes, Zach Wilson, Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Fields half and half, Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Half and half. It's good. Depend on how he does
down in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, that's fair. So what on film gives kill Williams
a fourth round grade? That's I think that's the highest
I've seen of anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Well, it starts with he provides. He leads the offense
with a very inconsistent rhythm and tempo. To me, a
quarterback is like a drummer in a band, and they're
responsible for setting the timing for all the offensive personnel.
Of course, receivers depend on this timing most of all.
It's inconsistent how he leads the offense. Number two, he
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has very inconsistent footwork on game film. It has been
spray painted all over his game film. It got worse
than twenty twenty three. And the NFL is a league
that is built upon timing routes between quarterbacks and receivers,
which of course is the art of the three five
and seven foot drop. Historically, Williams kind of does his
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own thing back there, dances around, and I believe he's
going to show inconsistent ball placement and ball security issues
when it comes to pass breakups and also interceptions in
the NFL because he does not have discipline footwork in
the pocket. Those are the two main things that really
concern me about him.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So I'll pretend like I'm Caleb Williams's camp. Well, yeah,
he didn't have good footwork because his offensive line was
trash and he was running for his life. Go look
at that Notre Dame game. The guy had no chance.
That's most game. Go look at the Utah game. Pocket
collapses before you can even get through the first read.
And so yeah, that's why Caleb kind of had to
bounce around. It's not like he had the cushy pocket
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Drake May often had in North Caro. I mean I
do obviously, I don't think Caleb is going to be
a superstar. I'm not one of these I I put
him in the Hall of Fame. He's got traits that
people love. But Zack Wilson had great traits, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
True, he did a matter of fact, that's my comp
for Caleb Williams as Zach Wilson. To me, there are
very similar quarterbacks coming out of college. Zach Wilson was
another one of these guys that really thrived against weaker competition,
thrived at getting out of structure, and that's where he
did his best work. So when I watched Caleb Williams,
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that's also where he does his best work. That's also
where we've seen all these highlights. And to me, he
just is a guy who I'm talking about. Caleb Williams
is the guy who thrives. I'm getting out of structure.
And that's a real problem because the NFL is a
league's that's built on play calling structure.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So do you think if Williams has a good pocket
he will try to win from the pocket? Do you
think he can says quickly enough or is it just
that on the tape, because again, like the tape can lie.
Remember college offense facing a certain defenses. You know, Lincoln
Riley's supposed to be a mastermind, and sure they're putting
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up a lot of points, but it didn't look refined.
It's weird. College basketball does not look like the NBA
I don't think a lot of college football looks like
the NFL. It's almost like two different sports.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Would you agree, I do agree absolutely. It's the college
game has become a special with nil now it's become
a lot more simplistic in nature as far as play
calling is concerned stuff. And also too, it seems like
a lot of these times these quarterbacks have just inordermate
amount of times to dance around back in the pock
against lesser teams and lesser levels of competition, and they
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just kind of wait till the receivers get open downfield.
So to your point, Jason, that's not, of course, at
all all the NFL works. It's one Mississippi, two Mississippi
throw and the ball had to be right there. That's
not the college game. Also, of course, is Kenny Pickett
found out the size of the football is even different.
And of course the NFL is a lot faster game
than the college game. So a lot of these guys
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that's you know, the transition from college to the NFL
proves to be very challenging because of those elements.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So somebody who was great in the pocket, Bo Nicks
crushed it with Oregon set all sorts of completion percentage records?
Was he a four or five year starters? Some like
sixty starts in college scene numbers? Where are you on
bon Nicks?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I have a first round grade on him? Hmmm, yeah,
I do eat.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
On bon Nicks. Okay, will they say more?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah? No, absolutely, He to me fits exactly fits into
the NFL's timeline right now. It's a league that's really,
you know, predicated on short intermediate passes. A lot of
times these are where a lot of these pass ranges
are are thrown and getting scripted in game planning, and
bo Nicks shows an incredible ability to not only hit
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those passes and those ranges being from zero to nineteen yards,
but also he can do it very accurately on the move.
Bow Knicks is also somebody who has started sixty games
in college football, which I believe is an FBS record.
He has a lot of experience for what people have said,
and so he's like having another coach on the field.
Commentators during the games have talked about how it's very
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hard to fool him because he's seen so much. His course,
his dad played a college football quarterback and also as
a coach, A coach as well, and so it's like
he has this ability to bridge to kind of cut
that time down, that transitional time. I believe bo Knicks
is a plug and play starter in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well wait a.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Minute, So you're telling me you think if bo Nicks
went to like the New England Patriots, they would be
good next year.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I believe so. Yes. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
See that's the weird part. Some of the like for instance,
i'man and listen, I don't remember where you had him,
but or maybe nobody asked you. But like Brock Perdy
coming out, you know, had been around for many years,
had kind of plateaued as like a sophomore. There was
talking about him going to the league, and then he
kind of leveled off and then went down a little bit.
Nobody liked him. Last pick in the draft, goes into
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the NFL and he can process. He's crushing from the pocket.
He's a statistical juggernaut now going on twenty some odd
games for the Niners. Like nobody saw that coming. Is
it possible you're saying bo Nicks could have like that
kind of impact on the right in the right team.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, I won't call him. It goes as far as
calling him the next Brock Party, but there are striking
resemblances in their game film. Because when I watched Brock
Purty pre draft at Iowa States, I actually comped him
to two thousand and two NFL MBP Rich gann and
pre draft and kind of saw a lot of that,
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you know, that intellectualism from the pocket really thriving in
the short the intermediate passing game. And of course it
was a beautiful fit for Purty going into into Kyle
Shanahan's system because that's what his system is, So it
was a perfect fit. So I came on YouTube even
before training camp even started, when Trey Lance and Brock
Party were there, and I said that, you know, Brock
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Party was going to beat him out in camp because
he fit that offense perfectly. Bo Knicks, I believe, gets
into a system like that where it's a lot of
short the intermediate range passes. And also a thing that's
kind of interesting about bo Knicks as he has such
a fast time to throw. I believe it was two
point four to four seconds per pff, you know, to
(17:30):
Apple's orders comparison between college and the NFL. But looking
at next gen stats with Tua Tagalova. It has the
fastest time to throw in the National Football League at
two point three six seconds. So really and truly, if
you do like a comparison, bow Knicks would have the
second fastest time to throw in the NFL if he's
able to do that in the next at the next level.
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And that's kind of the key to success. As part
of it is getting the ball out of your hand
quickly and making you know, good decisions with the football.
And so I do believe that he is a very
smart quarterback. He knows how they handle the ball, and
he's really grown as a quarterback as he's been in Oregon.
I'm very interested to see how that all plays out
in the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (18:25):
Where are you on the Jaden Drake May Debate? And
you know, for over a year, all everybody watching college
football said, oh, Drake May is going to go second
to Caleb And now in the last like two months
has been Oh Washington's taken Jaden Daniels because he lines
up with Kirk not sorry, Kur not Kirk Cliff Kingsbury's
offense in Washington. And to my my rejoinder to that
(18:48):
is okay. Tell me the last time a franchise drafted
a quarterback in the top five when and they were
doing it because of their offensive course, nobody does that.
That's not how teams operate, Oh, Caesar changed like teams
changer socks. Come on. So, so Daniels versus May, where
are you?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I have May over? Daniels May is a guy who
was my QB two, as you talked about. I didn't
have Caleb as my QB one heading into the season,
but he Drake May was my QB two and uh
and Daniels as somebody who I have a third round
great on. Uh. So I've always yeah, I've always liked
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I've always liked Drake May more. I think he fits
the pro game better. He's a dual role guy that
has has a nice DP fall. Uh. He's he's very smart,
intellectual from the pocket all business reminds me of the
all business demeanor of a Matt Ryan or somebody like
that from the neck up. And and so you know,
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I don't think either one of those guys should go
top five. I actually saw Drake May all of his
games this last year and study them on tape, and
to me, he regressed in twenty twenty three. Drake May
actually his completion percentage dropped in twenty twenty three, but
you also could see it on film, because what happened
with May was that, I mean when he came into
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the college football scene, nobody really I mean some people
knew he was, of course, but the majority of people
didn't know who he was. Low expectations, and as the expectations grew,
and then of course people say, well he lost Josh
Doallins the receiver, and he had Tess Walker. But as
the expectations went up, what I saw in game film
was that May he got more. He had this look
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of frustration on his face. And that's why I love
TV film because when they panding close to his face,
he looked kind of frustrated, and he started pressing his
throws more and more, which affected his ball placement. May
never has always had average ball placement in my mind,
to begin with, he's always been kind of a hot,
cold quarterback. But in twenty twenty three, he regressed on
game film, and to me. He showed everybodybody that, hey,
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I have got to have a strong playoff structure around
me if I'm going to succeed as an NFL quarterback.
And that was proven by Josh Downs leaving and some
of these things happening at North Carolina. And if he goes,
I believe his best chance to succeed is between eighteen
and thirty two, or when those teams jumps up and
gets him, it would not hurt him at all. The
wait for a year and sit it out and just
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be on the bench and learn. And with Daniels, the
thing that scares me about him is he's like RG
three all over again, just waiting. You know. Injury risk
is very high on him because he runs the ball
with such extreme physicality. But even more concerning about Jaden
Daniels is that he has he has his tendency, the
tents up in the pocket and he starts bouncing around.
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He has happy feeds, and the coursette affects the timing
and the rhythm the ball placement downfield. And to me,
the biggest question that nobody I mean, I've posed this
question on social media adjacent to our listeners time and
time again, I'm like, Okay, so how is it that
Jaden Daniels with this elite athleticism in this way he
can run the football and with one of the best
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offensive lines in college football per PFF going into the
season top ten rated offensive line, plus he had receivers
Malik Neighbors and Bryan Thomas Junior. But he still has
this two point nine to one seconds time to throw, which,
again going back comparing PFF the next Gen stats, that's
the same as Zach Wilson's time to throw in the NFL.
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So the question is why can't Jaden Daniels, And this
is what I study is like, why can't he get
the ball of his hand faster? Why can't he make
faster decisions? Why is he holding onto the ball this
long in the pocket? And that's a huge concern going
into a team because a team like Washington for example
that you're talking about Jason, they have a really not
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a good situation offensive tackle. So he's not going to
have three, four or five seconds back there to try
to figure it out. He's going to have to make
quick decisions. Whoever goes in there is we have to
make quick decisions. Washington has one of the worst offensive
lines in the NFL last year. I believe they gave
up the second most sacks and sixty five sacks last year.
So whoever goes in there is going to have to
get the ball in their hand quickly.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So if it sounds like you had Drake May two,
Jaden third round grade, Caleb fourth round grade, who's.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Your QB one Spencer rather No, Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
The guy who Caleb Williams beat out in Oklahoma. When
Spencer got benched was several years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's probably a different different topic, but yeah, I know,
I mean, I mean, I still don't understand how Spencer
Ratler end up gaining bench in that situation because, I mean,
he was coming off the Bull victory the season prior.
He was five to zero in that season, he had
completed seventy six point nine percent of his passes throughout
the first five games. The week before the early bench
against Texas, he was eighty eight percent completion per sage
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against Kansas State and he gets pulled early in that game.
So yeah, he did get bench. Yeah, the way it
worked on everything, But Spencer Rattler, to me, has shown
the greatest ability to overcome adversity of quarterback in this
draft class. And that's really what it's about. From it,
Like they say in scouting, the game is won or
loss from the neck up. And he showed tremendous poise.
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I believe he was like nineteen years old at the
time when the when the benching happened at Oklahoma in
favor of Kayla Williams, and he and he came out
the next morning with one tweet he said, it's something
to the effect of, hey, way to go, guys, you
know six and zero, you know, by my brothers, And
that was it. And then he, you know, he goes
off to South Carolina. He has to kind of watch
because at one point everybody thought he was gonna be
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the number one pick. At one time everybody thought, yeah,
everybody thought he was gonna be the Heisman guy. And
so he has to go to South Carolina, sit back,
watch his old coach, you know, Lincoln Riley, take Caleb
Williams out the USC watch everything that happened out there.
Watch Williams win that Heisman everybody thought that he was
going to win. Didn't come out and say anything. Instead,
all Spencer Ratler did was he went to South Carolina,
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right and he he grew and he developed, and he
worked on his craft, and he didn't say anything to
me that shows trum and this maturity to me, that
shows tremendous leadership that he could go into a situation
and then of courses. Last year, I believe South Carolina,
according to I think Sports Illustrated had the hardest schedule
in the FBS going into the season. They were ranked
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like number seventy two themselves. He has all these offensive
line injuries, they went through like nine different combinations of
offensive linemen. They had, you know, Juice Wells, one of
his best receivers, goes on Week two and he had
the number one hundred and twenty eight, like one hundred
and thirty three teams that were ranked rushing attack in
the league. Yet he still produced a higher completion percentage
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in twenty twenty three than Caleb Williams. The guy grew
and the thing I love most about Spencer rather than
twenty twenty three tape is he learned to cut down
on the taking unnecessary risks and chances. I think by
bringing Don Logan's in there as young offensive coordinator really
helped mature him and make him pro ready. And the
(25:59):
way he was open to that coaching and received it.
To me, is incredibly impressive. I'm really excited about Spencer
Ratler heading into this draft.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, now there's two things. A you like Spencer Ratler
a lot. Where do you think he goes?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's an unknown. I mean at this point, you know,
I've heard everything from you know, third fourth round. I've heard,
you know, Jim Nagy from you know, the director of
the Senior Bowl come on and say, you know, in
a video that he's heard that some teams have Spencer
Ratler listed as a starter to me starters first round.
So and I know the New England Patriots have shown
(26:37):
a lot of interest based on what I've seen on
Twitter x in Spencer Rattler. So it's always kind of
to me an unknown. I never that's the thing. I
never quite knows where will guys end up going sometimes
or what round with it going, because it's very unpredicted.
I mean, this is a league that actually just two
years ago had Brock Purty as mister Irrelevant and now
(27:00):
he's in the super Bowl. So to me, it's like
it's hard for me to get inside other other people's
heads or what they're thinking now. If I was a
general manager, Spencer Rattler would be my QB one. I'd
run up to the podium, I'd sprint the card at
myself to the commissioner and make the announcement.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's wild, all right. Uh Spencer Ratler number one. Daniel Kelly,
former Jets scout. Uh, these are listen man, we like
hot takes. These are hot takes. I mean this is
this is good stuff. And obviously we will have to
have you back in a year. Spencer Ratler's even an
NFL roster, I don't know, it's possible. Maybe he's a
(27:37):
starter next year.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Anything can happen. It's the NFL, like wacky things happen
in the league. Thank you so much, Daniel for taking
the time.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Hey, thank you Jason so much for having me on
your show. And I can't wait for the draft. It
should be a good one.
Host
Jason McIntyre
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