March 31, 2023 • 44 mins
On today’s episode, Jason kicks things off by sharing his Best Bets for this weekend’s upcoming Final Four action. Later, former New York Jets scout and author Daniel Kelly swings by to discuss why he wasn’t surprised to see Zach Wilson flame out in New York, why he still isn’t fully sold on Trevor Lawrence as a franchise quarterback, why he isn’t overly concerned about Bryce Young’s diminutive stature, what he likes most about CJ Stroud, why he believes Anthony Richardson will be a bust if a team takes him in the first round, which under the radar quarterbacks could thrive at the next level, why he hates the idea of Aaron Rodgers getting traded to the Jets and much more!
Click here to subscribe, rate and review all of the latest Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre podcasts!
#FSR
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,
straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Friday,
March thirty, first Final four weekend is here. Finally, goodness, gracious,
I've been waiting on pins and needles for San Diego
(00:25):
State and Florida Atlantic. We'll do best bets here shortly
because it's gonna be an abbreviated podcast. We have a
good guest. He was here. If you guys remember, I
think two years ago and maybe last year, we had
him on to talk NFL Draft. He's a former Jets scout.
His name is Daniel Kelly. He now writes some for
SI dot com. And we had him on and he
(00:48):
was just blasting Zach Wilson left and right. But he
also blasted Trevor Lawrence, which did not work out so
well for him. At any rate, we're gonna talk about
this year's quarterback class. He's a Jets guy, so we'll
ask about Rogers. I don't want to it, but he is,
shall we say, very divergent from what some other folks
had said. Daniel Jeremiah was on the pod last week.
You guys saw my mock on Fox Sports dot Com. Listen,
(01:12):
this is a wild quarterback lass. I don't think anybody's great.
The potential is there for a guy or two. But boy,
this love for Bryce Young. We shall see. Not much
happened in the sporting world on Thursday night, another night
where I've been playing chess with my young son. He's twelve,
He's gotten good. He plays a lot, and he had
a run where he beat me three out of four
(01:32):
games and I was like, all right, I gotta lock in.
I just know now that we're playing like every other day,
he's super aggressive. I'm telling you got it. You gotta
be calm, you gotta lay back. And he just wants
to bring out his queen on the second move, and
I say, you know what, I like my chance is
just taking queens off the board in the first like
five minutes. So I don't know. Playing a lot of chess.
It's fun. Really into bell Air right now, the show
(01:53):
second season, loving it. Finally, finally last night started ted
Lasso with the Wife no spoilers please. A huge fan
of the show. We loved it, and it's just taken
some time for us to get through March madness. And
of course, you guys know last weekend, I coached my
son in the semifinals and finals and my daughter in
the finals. Like coaching, it takes a lot out. I
(02:14):
know people are gonna laugh. And on one of my
dad basketball text chains, I was like, guys, I don't
know what I could give in the men's league. I'm
exhausted mentally from coaching three youth basketball games. And I've
talked to some of you guys about this, like the
you know, even Will Blackman over at Fox. You know,
when he comes in he coaches his kids. Some I'm like, guys,
like setting the lineups, the stress like parents, Like there's
(02:37):
some I lose some sleep. I know it's I know
you guys can laugh, but I do definitely lose some
sleep over it. But that's under the rearview mirror. Spring
sports are here, spring break is rapidly approaching, NBA playoffs
are approaching. By the way, what happened to the Bucks
last night? All I've been hearing is all the Bucks
are running away with the East. They're dominating. The Celtics
beat him by frigging forty one in Milwaukee. I think
(02:57):
they were up twenty five in the first half. It
was a runaway game, Tatum hit like eight threes. My guy,
Jason Tatum, who better be First team All NBA or
somebody is smoking something stupid. Jason Tatum is just electrifying,
unbelievable talent. Love his game so much. Yes, Ganness is
in there too, blah blah blah, I get it all right.
The only thing I'll touch on before we get to
our guest, Daniel Kelly is the college basketball games. This hurt.
(03:23):
I put it on Instagram. This hurt. But I was
looking at the one pool. I kind of came out
of nowhere to make a run in this pool because
everybody had Houston Alabama. There's like twelve hundred people in it.
Almost everybody had them. By the grace of I higher power,
I had Yukon and Creton in the final, and all
of a sudden, I Creton pulls off an upset. Alabama's bounced,
Houston's bounced, and all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm
(03:45):
still down like in the sixties, but max possible points.
I was third, and I was like, oh my gosh,
I need something break and it broke my way a
little bit. However, Creton got job by San Diego State.
They lose by one of that BS call in the
finals seconds, so I can't win the pot and the guy.
I asked the guy on email, I'm like, dude, a
twelve hundred people, this has to be a good pot.
(04:06):
Does it pay more than the top five? He's like,
we pay first place eleven thousand, eight hundred dollars. And
I crunched the numbers, spent like forty five minutes doing
it like a loser. If Creton had beat San Diego State,
nobody has SDSU, one guy has Florida Atlantic go into
the final. If Creton had met Yukon for the title
and Ukon had one, I would have taken the entire pot. Now,
(04:27):
Creton would have had to beat SDSU obviously and then
beat f AU. They would have been favored. It ate
at me, but I've got to move past no looking back.
Second place forty five hundred bucks, third twenty one, seventy
fourth and fifth one thousand six through tenth five hundred bucks.
As of now, if FAU just gets bounced in the
semifinal and Yukon wins it all, I'll finish I think
(04:50):
in at eighth place, so five hundred bucks, which is
not bad on like, I think twenty dollars buy in.
It's not terrible considering we lost on Arizona. But I
did win a other Buddies pool that I think pays
like twenty two water Bucks. It was only like fifteen guys,
but I got super lucky one and by one because
everybody's eliminated marked madness pools. Listen, pretty good year, could
(05:12):
have been way better. Um, and again, I just let's
just file this away for next March, when everybody's so
confident about number one seeds, I'm just let's file it away.
Chaos is going to be happening. Experienced teams matter significantly,
transfer portal matters, and the team's in like the three
to eight, three to nine range are going to be
(05:32):
very dangerous again next year if the balance is going
to be massive. Asked for bets this weekend, I don't
have anything huge. UM let me call up. So essentially,
I like, you know, I like Connecticut, but there's no
value on their futures. Here's what one eighty one sixty,
I don't even know what it is. I'm not going
to take a futures bet on Connecticut at this point.
(05:53):
That's that's dumb. So what I do have is I
did this interesting parlay. I did Miami getting five and
a half and the over one fifty and a half. Now,
why would I do that? If miamis in the game,
it's gonna because their offensive scoring. They're not winning a
low scoring game with Connecticut. They just are not. So
there's there's a chance in Miami covers and the game's
(06:15):
like eighty to seventy eight or whatever, high scoring. And
also Connecticut, and I dropped the numbers last week thinking
Gazago would beat him. Connecticut I believe is o and
four in games decided by five points or less. But
they've basically blasted everyone who's not a Big East team,
So that's one of the bets that I made. I
also have the over one thirty two in Florida Atlantic STSU.
(06:38):
We know it's going to be a rock fight. It'll
probably be low scoring. That being said, would not shock
me if this game goes overtime. SDSU games are really
low scoring in the fifties first to sixty probably wins.
Would not be surprised at this game one overtime. It'll
be close. And I have San Diego State money line,
which I do have at one thirty two. I see
(06:58):
it's up to minus one thirty five this morning. Not ideal. Yeah,
now I'm saying it at one forty on another site. Geez,
So I mean I got I got a one thirty two,
which I don't hate. I don't love it as much
at minus one forty six. So what you got a
one hundred forty six bucks to win one hundred don't
love that. And by the way, Florida Atlanta could easily
win this game. This is gonna listen, we could see
(07:20):
two close games, would not surprise me. I know a
lot of people are gonna gravitate toward the under because
it's in the big arena and these are, you know,
young college kids. I'm just gonna, you know, caution to
the wind and I'll go the over. So I've the
over in SDSU Floria Atlantic, I've got s SDSU money line,
and I have Miami a parlay with Miami getting the
(07:42):
points and the over. I think we could get into
some interesting player props for the title game on Monday,
so we'll obviously have that will be a podcast Monday
after that. We shall see just simply because it's spring
break and your boy needs to dial it back a
little bit, Dial it back a little bit. All right, guys,
Without further ado, let's get to this week's guest, former
(08:05):
NFL scout. He really likes to dig into quarterbacks, Daniel Kelly.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports
Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f
SR to listen live. Jason likes to think he knows
(08:28):
everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports
dance wants, but for everything he doesn't. He knows a
guy who does. Let's just say I know a guy
who knows a guy who knows another guy. All right,
let's welcome into straight fire. A guy we had on
last year ahead of the draft, and you remember, I
think he was on two years ago as well, right
(08:49):
before we talked about Zach Wilson, and this gentleman is
a former Jet scout. He did not like Zach Wilson,
he did not like Trey Lance. But he also, if
memory serves, he didn't like Trevor Lawrence. So we thought
we'd bring him back where two years and now a
lot has happened. Daniel Kelly, how are you doing, hey,
I'm doing well, Jason, thanks for having me back on
(09:11):
your show. Yeah. Man, it listen. Not a lot of
guys were right about Zach Wilson. I mean, listen, it's
a weird situation where these young guys who were quarterbacks
that are in the league, not a lot of reps.
Everybody loves them. There's one of them in this draft,
Anthony Richardson, and then they get to the league and
it's like, whoa learning curve is? Steep? I don't know
(09:33):
where do you want to start this year's class or
you want to rehash, you know, the guys from a
couple of years ago, justin fields kind of a TBD. Still, Yeah, no, absolutely,
we can start back where we were left off if
you want to. Yeah. I mean, the guy who won
Rookie the year was Mac Jones and everybody loved him,
and they got to the playoffs. They got smashed by
the Bills. But Mac Jones in year two was an abomination,
(09:58):
and at one point he was benched for Bailey Zappy.
And now Mac Jones gets another offensive coordinator. Everybody's excited.
It's weird. There is video. We're recording this on Thursday.
There's video as Bill Belichick should be doing scouting ahead
of the draft. He is at the Max Duggan Pro
Day TCU watching Max Duggan. Listen, Max not got had
(10:21):
a really nice career. I don't think Belichick is as
sold on Mac Jones as some of Patriots Nation. Where
are you on Mac Jones entering year three? I still
really like Mac Jones. I mean, the last time you know,
we were on together, I mean, you know, I had
said he was a more polished version, you know, than
Trevor Lawrence. I still really like him. I still really do.
(10:43):
He came out strong for me as rookie season. As
you pointed out year or two. A lot of times
quarterbacks we'll slip a little bit in year or two
before they come back in the year of three. The
thing I hold on to with Mac Jones is the
downfield ball placement. I saw it Alabama. He had done
his rookie season, his completion percentage. I feel that he'll
(11:07):
get back. I think this year he'll be back. Very optimistic. Um,
do you want to do a victory lap on Zack
Wilson or just say, well wait a minute, it's a
little early to bury him. I don't know where are you, Yeah,
he's done, done, done, done done. Yeah. I think he'll
probably hang around the Jets for a little bit longer
(11:28):
because of the relationship his uncle has with the owner.
But I think overall, I with that, with that Jeff
Blue Airlines the official airlines of the New York Jets.
But yeah, I just think that the confidence levels not there,
and you know, I don't think that he's going to
be able to rebound from that. Unfortunately for him. I
(11:49):
mean as a person, as young man, it's very unfortunate
for him, because you touched on these quarterbacks get thrown
into these situations and before they're ready. I mean, I
have a third round great on Zach Wilson coming out
by U, and I felt that he was he was
a guy that he did some things well, especially the
unscripted stuff at BYU on game film. I felt like,
(12:11):
you bring him in, you bring him along slowly. I
mean back of the day when I grew up, the
third round was a great round to draft a developmental
guy with upside. That's where I felt Zach Wilson was. However,
the Jets, you know that the way the NFL is
going these days, they bring him in as a top five,
you know, blue chip guy, you know we're gonna win
(12:32):
now type of thing. And going into most teams is
difficult enough. Going into New York is times too difficult.
You know, that's a tough place to go into to
win for anybody at any age, but let alone for
a young guy that come in there like that. And
I just felt like it was just it was really
a doom from the beginning, you know, as far as
(12:54):
with that offensive line situation they have and everything else
out there, and it was just a lot of pressure
to put him in very quickly. And it's once a
quarterback loses his confidence, it's unfortunate. But I've really never
seen them rebound from there. And then Trevor Lawrence was
the polar opposite. I mean, he struggled in year one
with Urban Meyer. Year two, easy lights out. They get
to the playoffs, they win a game, well, come back
(13:17):
against the Chargers and I think they were down by
a billion, and then nearly I mean I think they
covered against the Chiefs. I'd have to look back, but
all signs pointing up for Trevor Lawrence. Are you ready
to say, hey, I get it, I was wrong or
so it's a little early. It's a literally that's why
I'm not doing a huge victory lap. I'm the Zach Wilson, Yeah,
because I remember our conversation very well. You know, it's
(13:39):
something where he definitely did exceed my expectations last season,
you know, with the Jaguars, you know, finishing nine and
eight and making the playoffs like that, and with the
comeback and the playoffs as well, you know, that was
all that was all good. I'm very curious to see
if he's able to you know, carry that forward in
year three. So I'm just like, you know, just like
(13:59):
with Matt Jones, you know, I'm gonna kind of just
to hold out on that one, you know, for another
year at least. Then after this year, I think we
can you know, at least I can definitely say, you know,
thumbs upper, thumbs down on the predictions and the evaluations
I had, you know, going into the twenty twenty one draft.
All right, so let's look at the current draft. I
have a mock that came out on foxsports dot Com
this week, and I know what the gambling odds say
(14:21):
about c J. Stroud going one, and I understand everybody
loves Bryce Young. I just can't get over the idea
that someone would trade up a lot of draft capital
as Carolina did to go for the shortest quarterback to
be taken a Round one ever because Russell Wilson wasn't
a first rounder. Okay, Drew Brees was not a first rounder.
Drew Brees didn't pop till the second team. I had
(14:42):
Anthony Richardson going first, and I know it. People say, oh,
he's not ready, he's not ready. I get it, you know,
I totally understand. He was started like what twelve games
last year and then played a little bit the year before.
But when you talk about upside, I think we had
Daniel Jeremiah and last week. He loves the upside of Richardson.
I think everybody basically does, but they're afraid to take
(15:03):
him early. What do you think happens at one with Carolina?
I think they're gonna I mean, between the two of them,
I mean, I'm a huge CJ. Strout and Bryce Young fan.
To begin with, I've given I've looked at about ten
eleven games on both of them. I'm giving the slight
edge to Bryce Young. Is my QB one headed into
(15:25):
the twenty twenty three draft because I feel like his
skill set transfers best to a losing situation. When I
say losing situation, I mean last year's records respectfully, you know,
I feel that his ability to create an extend plays
on his feet, covers up and compensates for some of
(15:49):
the maybe offensive line deficiencies that may exist in Carolina
to the point where he can move around some And
and because no matter who's playing defense, you know, one
Mississippi two, Mississippi three, Mississippi four or five, et cetera,
that's a long time to cover somebody. And the way
Bryce Young can move, the instincts he shows in the
(16:12):
pocket are phenomenal. It's like he has eyes in the
back of his head. And I understand the size concerns.
I get that. I think I've I've compared him to
a Fran Tarkington with the Vikings kind of that same
style of you know, quarterback that's scrambling and moving around
a lot, and and yeah, I get And I think
Fran was about the same size when he played with
(16:34):
the Vikings around I think maybe Frand was six foot
about the same size. But he's able to move around
a lot. And then just he's like Hoodini in the pocket.
And then the thing that really sold me on Bryce
Young was the was the instincts as well as the
downfield ball placement. To me, that's one of the most
underrated parts of scouting is the ball placement downfield. And
(16:56):
I'm not talking about just about completion percentage, but the
ability to put the ball of course on point where
receivers can you know, extend to plays and get yards
after the catch. I love that a brot Bryce Young.
I think he's very smart. I think he has a
very good feel just overall for the game. So yeah,
I have him as my QB one and all this
hopeless sense August, I've had CJ. Strout in that spot,
so this is just a recent change for me. CJ.
(17:18):
Strout I've compared to Warren Moon. To me, it's he
is just the way the kind of the way he
processes the game from a pre snap standpoint, and how
he's able to read what's going on, especially with the safeties.
I keep hearing the announcers all the time talk about
how he's reading the safeties and when they come up
(17:40):
or they go back and he kind of makes a
decision from there. He has complete command of the pocket
and he just processes information so quickly, both pre snap
and post snap. I think that too, gives a team
that a competitive advantage. It's had a bad record last
year because he's able to make those quick decisions in
a league where we see an average at two point
(18:01):
five seconds release time, you know, for a quarterback, I
think he's able to process information that quickly. And the
thing that really has sold me on CJ. Stroud, just
like a dad with Matt Jones, was the downfield ball
placement is just beautiful. I mean, he puts the ball
right where it needs to be. And so, yeah, those
two guys, I feel I can go into a situation
and I think, really in in you know, in the
(18:23):
thirty years I've been evaluating, I think these two guys
give a struggling franchise the best opportunity to turn things
around quickly that I've ever seen. I mean, I'm really
I'm very high in both of them. Dare I say
gushing about these guys? So I looked up Tarkington sixty's
listed again six zero one ninety, but that was back
(18:44):
in the sixties and early seventies. I mean, we're coming
off a season where We just saw twa look awesome
for half the season, suffer two concussions because he got
ragdalled and listened as capabilities. One thing the players, I
think the edge rushers have never never been bigger, faster,
or stronger, you know, as good as two It was
(19:06):
two hits and it's lights out and now there's what
we don't even know if you're to survive in the league.
Does that give you pause for Bryce Young, there's there's
a pause. I think. I think you have to recognize
his size and understand the violence of the game. I mean,
we saw it with RG three, with him running all
around like that, and what happened with him. Uh, it's
become a much more you know, even even violent game,
(19:28):
a faster game maybe as far as like the violence
is concerned. So when those guys are running like that,
I mean we saw it with Justin Fields too. Uh.
That is that is a concern, There's no question about it.
But I think the thing that gives it got me
over that pause to your point, Jason, was the fact
that to me, Bryce Young is a quarterback first and
the athlete second. So so to me, when he's moving
(19:51):
around back there, his first instinct is not the takeoff
and run. He will run and he can't pick up
chunks of yardage, but he's looking to throw first. I
think I saw a lot enough of that to be
able to say, okay, he's moving around. He's moving around.
I mean, there was an anthem opportunity to take off,
but he hung in there and then he threw it.
So I don't think he's gonna be one of these
guys that's gonna come in there and just look to
(20:11):
run all the time. I think he's gonna pass first,
which may be the saving grace for him in the league.
So on Stroud, this is a guy who coming into
the season was like, Okay, yeah, he's good, he's a prospect.
A lot of people had him going high. But during
the season, you know the Notre Dame game. Early, he
looked he's all right, nothing special. They struggled to get separation.
Then they played a lot of bad teams. They didn't
(20:34):
play like another ranked team until Penn State, and they
ended up pulling away. I think the defense had a touchdown.
He was he was fine, didn't really have a distinguished game.
And then they go up against Michigan and I know
people are saying, well, the weather wasn't great. Okay, well
both quarterbacks had to deal with that, and the opposing
quarterback had a pretty damn good game. Stroud in the
second half could not move to football on the Michigan
(20:54):
defense couldn't move it. He was abysible and they lost.
He bounced back strong with a month to prepare for Georgia.
He looked awesome, looked like a totally different player. I mean,
you know this, but he didn't have a game with
more than six carries all season. He had twelve in
the Georgia game, and we looked elusive. It was almost
(21:15):
like Herbert who didn't really run at Oregon because it's
that wasn't called for. And then in the Rose Bowl
you see this lumbering, scrambling guy. You're like, whoa, he's
got another dimension. I just feel like people have been
a little irrational about Stroud here because of the Georgia game.
And by the way, two years ago he had Olave
(21:36):
and Wilson and Jackson Smith Na Jigba, and then last
year he had the greatest receiver in college football, Marvin Harrison.
I don't know this year's class is medioca. Marvin Harrison's incredible.
Should we be pumping the brakes a little on Stroud again?
I like him top ten shot, but number one overall.
You know, that's interesting you mentioned that, Jason, because that
(21:57):
was my number one concern was because I think you're
touching on something very important is level of competition. And
when you're looking at these quarterbacks going into you know,
a top five or a top ten situation, going into
situations with losing records last year, a lot of deficiencies
that type of thing. They're not could be playing from
(22:19):
the you know, the positive side of the scoreboard. A
lot of time, they'll be playing from behind. So so
how will he respond to that? And that was a concern.
I saw another game where he, you know, he kind
of hung in there a little bit better against I
forget who it was, but he hung it a little
bit better any But he wasn't in a lot of
those situations where he had to come from behind and
(22:39):
had to rally the team and stuff. So that gave
me a little bit of pause. Whereas Bryce Young, when
he was in those type of situations, I couldn't tell
if they were winning or losing. You know, the way
that Young played, you know he looked the same either way.
That's another reason why I gave the slight edge to
Bryce Young. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the AAN. Catch all of our shows at
(23:02):
foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search
FSR to listen live. So I have in my notes,
you know, keep an ongoing list anytime I get a
text or talk to somebody. And I saw that there
were nine folks from the New York Giants at c
J Stroud's pro day. They were eight from Seattle, fourteen
(23:23):
from the Panthers. I don't think the pantherson has many
to Anthony Richardson's which happened today as we record this.
Anthony richards of course hit the roof with one throw
on purpose. I think he was saying Will Levis did it,
so I can do it. And then he started he
did like a broke out a backflip at some gymnastics move.
I gotta ask my daughter what it was. But the
athleticism Richardson has the power. Is this a guy you
(23:46):
would take a flyer on in the top five? No oo,
not at all. No, there is it something just way
too raw? Is I mean, do you not like him
in the first round at all? Where are you on him?
I have a fifth round grade Anthony Richardson. And the
reason why here we go, yeah, right, fifth fifth round pick.
(24:10):
And the reason for that is, you know, I just
talked a little bit about Bryce Young and how he's,
you know, a quarterback first and an athlete second. Richardson,
to me, the biggest thing that has me hung up
on him is that he, to me, strikes me as
an athlete first who's trying to play quarterback, kind of
(24:31):
like what we saw with Trey Lance when he came
out of North Dakota State. The thing about Richardson is
I see the athleticism. I see the things people talk
positively about with him. But to me, the thing that
scares me the most about Anthony Richardson is he looks
like he tends to hold the ball too long, and
(24:53):
to me, it's like he's having trouble being able to
figure out what he's looking at down field. So when
we see him kind of scrambling and moving all around
and everything, to me, he's creating his own druma a
lot of it when he when he does that. Uh.
The other thing to a couple of different things about
about Richardson to give me pause is the you know,
(25:13):
number one, he has inconsistent ball placement down field that
scares me quite a bit. And also too, he tends
to throw a lot of dangerous passes. In the film
Exposure I watched, there's a couple two three passes in
every game that maybe they're maybe they are intercepted, maybe
they're not, but a defense gets gets their hands on
(25:35):
the ball. And I think when you're talking about going
into a team, whether it's a bottom fifteen sixteen team, potentially,
you know, these are a type of throws well for
any team really, but especially for a team that's struggling.
These are a type of throws that can make or
break a game. And then also to the thing I
know is watching him and studying him on the film,
(25:56):
was he struggles most under pressure, whether that is the
pass rush in his face or in a game situation,
he tends to really press uh and that that could
be an issue as well. And as a runner, it's
something where I didn't feel like, you know, I wasn't
watching Lamar Jackson. I wasn't watching you know, a Michael
(26:18):
Vicker or a Randall Cunningham or somebody like that running around.
To me, it seemed like he was able to take
what was there to take. But it wasn't somebody that
was overly elusive or somebody that was good. I mean,
it's not like a elite Cunningham. Let's let's you know,
if I could put it that way, a guy who's
an elite type of runner. It's so those the combination
(26:39):
of those type of things, and then the additional fact. Now,
a lot of times people will say, well, you can't
be a stats scout, and I completely agree with that
is but the stats to me sometimes confirm the evaluation,
and it scares that. It really scares me when I
look at Richardson and see last year a fifty three
point eight percent completion percentage at Florida, and then I
(27:02):
go back and I look at him in high school
and see a fifty I think a fifty three point
two percent or somewhere in that area. I think, you know,
so this is a guy that's never completed over fifty
three percent of us passes at any level. Now we're
going to ratchet it up and go into the NFL,
where the game is, as we know, is a lot
more complex. It's a lot faster, and like we talked
(27:24):
about those quarterbacks coming in twenty one, if he does
end up in a situation where somebody takes him high
in the first round, now he has that pressure on
top of it to come in. There's no time to develop,
there's no time to do anything besides get under center
with a team that's not that good to begin with,
with all the pressure on him, and let's go. Let's
see how it works out. And that to me is
(27:45):
a recipe for disaster. I've totally spaced about Malik cunning him.
I'm like, wait, a secon, where do I know that
the Louisville quarterback who is yes, really elusive? Yeah, so
I did look up the numbers on Richardson. Yes, fifty
three percent completion's very Josh Allen like of him. I
will point out Josh Allen and Wyoming. Of course, the if, like,
if we're gonna overreact to one game of Stroud against Georgia,
(28:09):
why aren't we giving the benefit of the doubt to
mister Richardson. If you watch a the game against Utah
where he was unbelievable on the ground eleven for one
oh six three touchdowns. And then the game against Tennessee,
they lost, and they fought hard. Tennessee, by the way,
was undefeated for much of the season. He threw for
four hundred and fifty yards two touchdowns and then rushed
(28:32):
for two more touchdowns at just an unbelievable game. Like
he's basically out there by himself keeping the team in
the game. And again, I know those are stats, and
I'm not scouting off the stats, but just the potential
upside for this guy. Again, he's got twelve starts under
his belt, like people forget and I know this is
going to sound crazy. When Patrick Mahomes came into you know,
(28:53):
he was coming out of Texas Tech, it's like, oh yeah,
this guy put up monster numbers at Texas Tech in
the Big twelve where they played like Arena league defense.
And then you know it's like, well it's got a
good arm. Okay, fine, and he drops to ten. The
Chiefs trade up. He sits for an entire year, so
he gets a year to sit, and then he gets
Andy Reid. I mean, you know this that could anybody
(29:16):
have it any more perfect than Patrick Mahomes. You get
a year to sit and then you get one of
the best offensive coaches ever. Any of the quarterbacks going
this year ain't getting anywhere close to that. And I
say this because of the Drew Brees. Oh well, Drew
Brees is a small quarterback. Oh you mean the guy
who's drafted the second round, didn't really work out the
first few years, had an injury, then lands in New
Orleans with this guy named Sean Payton and boom, Like,
(29:40):
doesn't circumstance matter almost as much as talent? Hey can?
Hey can. That's why I try to watch as much
films as possible, is because it's the more film, the
better on these guys. Because what it's not the one off,
whether it's positive or a negative, that I'm looking for.
(30:00):
I'm looking for patterns and tendencies over an extended period
of time that keeps showing up. And that's where I see, Like,
to me, it's like it looks like to your point, yeah,
there there was. There was some good play, there was
good games. That's why you know people are looking him
like this naturally. But to me, it's like there was
enough consistency there of Okay, the bomb line with him
(30:23):
is I don't think he can read defenses. That that's
that's my big thing with him. And so if he's
having trouble reading defenses and has a fifty three point
eight percent completion percentage of Florida, what's that going to
look like against the forty nine Ers or the Vikings
or the Bears. That that's my challenge. Number one challenge
(30:44):
with Richardson is how is that going to play out?
And then will he stop doing those dangerous passes? Because
the dangerous passes will get him on the bench faster
than anything else. In my mind, where are you on
Jordan Love possibly starting for the Packers? He's had a
many years to sit he I think he led the
country in interceptions when he was coming out of college.
(31:07):
I mean, is this a guy you think you'd come
in and get the package to the playoffs or there's
going to be a bit of a curve. I do.
I like what I've seen on Jordan Love in preseason action.
We haven't seen a lot of him, but I do
think that he provides enough of a dual threat and
he can move round back there. In the preseason games,
I have seen a Jordan Love. He's seemed like he
knew what he was what he was doing back there.
(31:27):
So I'm I'm excited for the Green Bay Packers fans
for what they had to look forward with Jordan Love. Really,
that's yeah a surprise. All right. Let me give you
a scenario. Culture at four, Anthony Richardson is on the
board the way you look at it, could we could
we draft Richardson at four? We don't intend to start him.
We roll out Gardner Minshew who knows Shane Steikin from Philly,
(31:50):
and you know what, we're going to make the best
of it. If we are a four win team, all right, great,
then we're in the mix for the number one or
number two pick. If we have managed to win six
or seven and Richardson showing us, hey, he could be
the guy in the future. Maybe there's something there. And
you start to build around a guy on a rookie quarterback,
you've got multiple years left. Where are you on that
(32:10):
game plan for the Colts? Because like a tanking, you know,
people keep saying all the Jets don't get Rogers, they
should just tank like that. Robert Sale is not tanking.
He will be fired, the GM will be fired. But
the Colts coach just got there. Shik's Sikons brand new
is that you think that's in player. You still like Listen,
I got a fifth round grade. I would never do that. Yeah,
(32:31):
the latter I have a fifth round grade. I would
I would never do that. She's not a fan at all.
Let me give you another name, the kid out of TCU,
Max Duggan. I have heard good things. I like him.
I think if there's any quarterback after the first round, second, third, fourth,
I don't know how long he's gonna last. There's a
guy with multiple years starts under his belt. He's mobile
(32:53):
and elusive. I don't think he's like gonna like the
world on fire or be the next major superstar. But
if you're talking about a quarterback on a rookie deal
the way Jalen Hurts, the similarities between Hurts and Duggan
are actually kind of decent um when you look at
amount of the amount of starts they've had, the winning
background that they have. There are a lot of questions
(33:14):
about Hurts Max Duggan. Is there a scenario where he becomes,
you know, not not quite brock Purty, where a seventh
round guy you're surrounded with awesomeness. But Jalen Hurts could
could he be a Jalen Hurts in the NFL. That's
a pens I'm on offense about about Max Duggan, I
think that, you know, I do. The thing I like
(33:36):
most about him is how aggressive he was throwing the
ball down field, and I like his mobility. But I
think that he's a he's a developmental project, something along
the lines of it's going to take a couple. I
think it takes. In all fairness, I think it takes
a lot of these guys a good couple two to
three years to really figure out the game. Um, you know,
(33:57):
and especially for the upper round guys, say, you know,
a brock Purty is kind of an interesting study for
me because, you know, he had no pressure, no expectations.
He was able to come in and I think that
kind of helped him in a way versus a lot
of these guys that come in top five, top ten,
first second round. I think there's so much pressure on
these guys. It's a different game than it was twenty
(34:17):
years ago or thirty years ago, or even even longer
than that. It's a different game where guys just don't
have the luxury of being able to sit on the
bench and learn and study and be able to, you know,
just kind of like it because the game is much
different than the college game. Not only the size of
the football different. I mean it's a larger football right
in the NFL, but then it is in the college
regulation size football, but also just the speed of the
(34:40):
game and the complexity of the game and the complexity
of the defenses and everything that they're seeing. I think
it takes a lot of these guys, you know, that
long just to get a handle on what they're doing.
I'm looking at up Max Duggan forty three starts in college,
Jalen Hurts forty two. Jalen Hurts looks like he got
to the NFL at a round twenty two. Max Duggan
(35:04):
currently is twenty two, just turned twenty two this month.
So I mean, again, these are not incredible markers, but
the similarities are there a lot of college starts mobile
age because every time anybody brings up well, Bryce Young,
Drew Brees was small, Like, that's not an apples to
apples taking Bryce Young number one for sister Drew Brees.
(35:26):
Are there any other quarterbacks that you kind of like
in this draft who are not on everyone else's radar?
I like Jaren Hall on a by y Okay. Yes, So,
I think to me, Jaren Hall could be who everybody
had thought Zach Wilson was supposed to be if he's
given enough time to develop a little bit. I have
a second round grade on Jaren Hall. There there's a
(35:49):
lot that's he's a true dual threat quarterback that can
move around. He's got some looseness and running ability to him. Us.
I like the fact how he battles back and games.
When he's down, he never gives up and he keeps throwing.
There's some issues with um uh you know, be able
to get rid of the ball quickly as far as
some inconsistency as far as the release times concerned. There's
(36:11):
some inconsistency as far as ball placement's concerned. But I
think that if a team were to bring in a
Jaron Hall in the second round and put him behind
an established starter, at at least they would have a
quality backup that could come in and spark a team
if need be. Um I also like Jake Hayner out
of Fresno. Yeah, I like what I've seen out of him.
(36:33):
I have a third round grade on Jake. I think
that he's got he's got upside. He's another guy that
runs round back there and it's kind of a gun
slinger mentality. He's an aggressive thrower and he's a mobile guy. Um.
I think he'll make a quality backup the Starness League.
You know, a guy you can put at number two
and bring along. I also like the the guy out
(36:55):
of Purdue I aid an Ocunnel, um, and I like
him in the in the fourth round. Is a great
at placed on him. I would be very interested to
see if like the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, we're talking
about Trevor Lawrence. You know, that could be a perfect
opportunity for him to come along, you know, you know,
behind Lawrence, and that could give Jacksonville a real high
(37:17):
quality backup. The thing I like about those guys, Jason,
is they are all pro style quarterbacks. And when I
watch a quarterback, whoever it is, on game film, uh,
you know that, the number one question that keeps going
through my mind is how does this skill set translate
to the NFL and what we've seen work in the NFL.
(37:37):
And and of course I'm also a huge fan of
Malie Cunningham. That's my number one prospect who I feel
is flying underneath the radar right now. I actually have
a first round grade on Belie cunning him. I've done
ten games to him on a Louisville To me, he
had a Now I understand he played longer Louisville than
Lamar Jackson, but he had a higher quarterback rade than
(38:00):
Lamar did Louisville. He had a higher completion percentage Lamar
did at Louisville, and he had a higher yards per
completion than than Lamar Jackson did at Louisville. To me,
and people say, well, you know, you know Cunningham, he
gets hurt a lot. That's the big knock the criticism
on him. He played him fifty six out of sixty
two games. And to me, when I talk about translating
(38:21):
to the next level, he has four characteristics um that
that translates very well to the next level. To me,
Number one, he processes rather quickly. Number two, he's got
good ball placement. Number three he's got good ball protection. Me,
he doesn't take a lot of wild and crazy chances
with the ball. He's you know, he calculates his throws.
(38:42):
And number four, which gives him the biggest advantage is
he's the best running quarterback in the entire classy by far.
I mean this, this guy is everything. Lamar Jackson ad
Justin Fields is on his feet. Wow. Um. So one
thing I just looked in checking the age of these guys.
Jared Hallo by US twenty five. He had his warmon mission.
(39:02):
Molik Cunningham is twenty four. And then let me see
you on this Aidan O'Connell out of Perdue. This is
a guy who is twenty four. So interesting. All three
of these guys are elder statesman. But I didn't hear
you mentioned Hendon Hooker. Are you not a fan of
miss Hooker? I am, Actually I'm glad you brought him up.
(39:22):
I am because I have a first round. I was
just thinking about more developmental guys. But Hennon Hooker is
I have a first round? Great on him. I like
a lot of the things I saw about Hendon Hooker,
you know, before the torn ACL. To me, he reminds
me a lot of Teddy Bridgewater. And in terms of
(39:43):
it's kind of interesting because both him and Bridgewater both
you know, toward the same left ACL. So I don't
know quite you know what we're going to see coming
out of that because I know that Bridgewater was never
quite the same after the injury. But with with Hendon Hooker,
to me, the number one thing that strikes me about
him is his efficiency. He seems to be very smart,
(40:04):
very efficient, and he's a guy that protects the ball
very well, doesn't take crazy chances throwing it, puts the
ball a lot of times where only the receiver has
a chance to get it. Had had some mobility to
his game prior to the ACL injury. The big concern
I have about hend and Hooker, and the reason why
I have him at twenty one right now in my
first round value board, is because his mechanics he throws it.
(40:28):
He's a very He has a very tightly wound, a
very you know, just a compact delivery that he seems
to rely on. And what happens is as he's winding
up and doing this, it's almost like he was taught
to how to throw the ball. So the trajectory normally
is about the same every time it's he basically stares
at the receiver he's going to throw live for an
extra moment. That's my fear and concern about hend And
(40:51):
Hooker because we all know in the NFL. An extra
moment or two can be the difference between completing a
pass and ending up on Sports Center for you know,
on the highlights for the wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Hooker.
I loved him, and then against Georgia it was I mean,
I think it was raining, but still he looked totally confused.
It was a rough game for him and in the ACL. So, um,
all right, look listen, this is interesting. So fifth round
(41:14):
grade on Anti Richardson for those scoring at home, first
round grade Malik Cunningham and Hendon Hooker. Yes, wow, that's harsh.
I guess we could get out of here. Um, Daniel
with this. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. Now you know
I'm a Jets fan. You're wearing a Jets hat as
we record this. Um, you love it? You hate it?
(41:35):
Your thoughts? I hate it? I hate it? Yeah, yeah, no,
that's that's interesting. We're on the same page there. I
hate it, And the reason why I hate it is, well,
there's a couple of reasons. Number one, I think that
you know Aaron Rodgers to me as as you know,
I don't like what I've seen of him over the
(41:56):
last two three years. As far as the I think
the quarter of a position, by by trade is a
very selfless position, where you know, it's a team leadership position.
I don't think Rogers is there anymore. I think he's
become a lot more selfish in nature. So I'm concerned
about that as far as a leadership is, you know,
as far as a leader's concern. But the big concern
I have with the Jets is that to me, Joe
(42:19):
Douglas doesn't have any idea how an offensive line out there. Uh,
that offensive line is horrendous. I mean they're talking about
all these skill position guys are going to have everything.
I look at that line and I've read a number
of articles for SI Jets about this line situation. I mean,
they have hopes that Mikai Beckton is coming back at tackle.
I mean, after two years on the shelf, they got
(42:41):
they got Dwayne Brown at thirty seven, thirty eight years
old with a bum shoulder behind him. They got Max Mitchell,
you know who had the blood cloud issue. At the
other tackle position, they got Lake and Thomlinson. The grated
out really poorly even by PFF standards. At left guard,
they don't really have a viable center. Uh, you know,
their depth is I mean, Elijah or a Tucker is
very good, but he's one person. Yeah, the depth, the
(43:03):
depth is just nonexistent. So to me, it's like you
take a thirty nine year old quarterback and put him
in a city who's like a statue at that age,
and you put him behind that offensive line in New York.
I mean, I just think that just that that's a disaster.
I really truly don't see Rogers even making it through
three or four weeks behind that line. I mean, I
know him and Zach Wilson are great buddies, and I
(43:25):
think that's that's you know, that's that's why this is
whipping up like that. But yeah, I think that's going
to be an absolute disaster if Rogers goes out to
New York. Boy way to get me excited for it, Daniel,
see's goodness, Grace. Now, you're right though, I agree with
a lot of that, and then Rogers doesn't come back,
you get shafted with the pick anyways, Daniel Kelly, former
Jet scout, good stuff. Daniel thinks again, and you know, well,
(43:47):
we'll do a post mortem at some point, especially with
Zach Wilson's off the jet will definitely have you have
you back off of that sounds good, Jason, Hey, it's
great being on the show with you. Thank you so
much for having me on
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,
straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Friday,
March thirty, first Final four weekend is here. Finally, goodness, gracious,
I've been waiting on pins and needles for San Diego
(00:25):
State and Florida Atlantic. We'll do best bets here shortly
because it's gonna be an abbreviated podcast. We have a
good guest. He was here. If you guys remember, I
think two years ago and maybe last year, we had
him on to talk NFL Draft. He's a former Jets scout.
His name is Daniel Kelly. He now writes some for
SI dot com. And we had him on and he
(00:48):
was just blasting Zach Wilson left and right. But he
also blasted Trevor Lawrence, which did not work out so
well for him. At any rate, we're gonna talk about
this year's quarterback class. He's a Jets guy, so we'll
ask about Rogers. I don't want to it, but he is,
shall we say, very divergent from what some other folks
had said. Daniel Jeremiah was on the pod last week.
You guys saw my mock on Fox Sports dot Com. Listen,
(01:12):
this is a wild quarterback lass. I don't think anybody's great.
The potential is there for a guy or two. But boy,
this love for Bryce Young. We shall see. Not much
happened in the sporting world on Thursday night, another night
where I've been playing chess with my young son. He's twelve,
He's gotten good. He plays a lot, and he had
a run where he beat me three out of four
(01:32):
games and I was like, all right, I gotta lock in.
I just know now that we're playing like every other day,
he's super aggressive. I'm telling you got it. You gotta
be calm, you gotta lay back. And he just wants
to bring out his queen on the second move, and
I say, you know what, I like my chance is
just taking queens off the board in the first like
five minutes. So I don't know. Playing a lot of chess.
It's fun. Really into bell Air right now, the show
(01:53):
second season, loving it. Finally, finally last night started ted
Lasso with the Wife no spoilers please. A huge fan
of the show. We loved it, and it's just taken
some time for us to get through March madness. And
of course, you guys know last weekend, I coached my
son in the semifinals and finals and my daughter in
the finals. Like coaching, it takes a lot out. I
(02:14):
know people are gonna laugh. And on one of my
dad basketball text chains, I was like, guys, I don't
know what I could give in the men's league. I'm
exhausted mentally from coaching three youth basketball games. And I've
talked to some of you guys about this, like the
you know, even Will Blackman over at Fox. You know,
when he comes in he coaches his kids. Some I'm like, guys,
like setting the lineups, the stress like parents, Like there's
(02:37):
some I lose some sleep. I know it's I know
you guys can laugh, but I do definitely lose some
sleep over it. But that's under the rearview mirror. Spring
sports are here, spring break is rapidly approaching, NBA playoffs
are approaching. By the way, what happened to the Bucks
last night? All I've been hearing is all the Bucks
are running away with the East. They're dominating. The Celtics
beat him by frigging forty one in Milwaukee. I think
(02:57):
they were up twenty five in the first half. It
was a runaway game, Tatum hit like eight threes. My guy,
Jason Tatum, who better be First team All NBA or
somebody is smoking something stupid. Jason Tatum is just electrifying,
unbelievable talent. Love his game so much. Yes, Ganness is
in there too, blah blah blah, I get it all right.
The only thing I'll touch on before we get to
our guest, Daniel Kelly is the college basketball games. This hurt.
(03:23):
I put it on Instagram. This hurt. But I was
looking at the one pool. I kind of came out
of nowhere to make a run in this pool because
everybody had Houston Alabama. There's like twelve hundred people in it.
Almost everybody had them. By the grace of I higher power,
I had Yukon and Creton in the final, and all
of a sudden, I Creton pulls off an upset. Alabama's bounced,
Houston's bounced, and all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm
(03:45):
still down like in the sixties, but max possible points.
I was third, and I was like, oh my gosh,
I need something break and it broke my way a
little bit. However, Creton got job by San Diego State.
They lose by one of that BS call in the
finals seconds, so I can't win the pot and the guy.
I asked the guy on email, I'm like, dude, a
twelve hundred people, this has to be a good pot.
(04:06):
Does it pay more than the top five? He's like,
we pay first place eleven thousand, eight hundred dollars. And
I crunched the numbers, spent like forty five minutes doing
it like a loser. If Creton had beat San Diego State,
nobody has SDSU, one guy has Florida Atlantic go into
the final. If Creton had met Yukon for the title
and Ukon had one, I would have taken the entire pot. Now,
(04:27):
Creton would have had to beat SDSU obviously and then
beat f AU. They would have been favored. It ate
at me, but I've got to move past no looking back.
Second place forty five hundred bucks, third twenty one, seventy
fourth and fifth one thousand six through tenth five hundred bucks.
As of now, if FAU just gets bounced in the
semifinal and Yukon wins it all, I'll finish I think
(04:50):
in at eighth place, so five hundred bucks, which is
not bad on like, I think twenty dollars buy in.
It's not terrible considering we lost on Arizona. But I
did win a other Buddies pool that I think pays
like twenty two water Bucks. It was only like fifteen guys,
but I got super lucky one and by one because
everybody's eliminated marked madness pools. Listen, pretty good year, could
(05:12):
have been way better. Um, and again, I just let's
just file this away for next March, when everybody's so
confident about number one seeds, I'm just let's file it away.
Chaos is going to be happening. Experienced teams matter significantly,
transfer portal matters, and the team's in like the three
to eight, three to nine range are going to be
(05:32):
very dangerous again next year if the balance is going
to be massive. Asked for bets this weekend, I don't
have anything huge. UM let me call up. So essentially,
I like, you know, I like Connecticut, but there's no
value on their futures. Here's what one eighty one sixty,
I don't even know what it is. I'm not going
to take a futures bet on Connecticut at this point.
(05:53):
That's that's dumb. So what I do have is I
did this interesting parlay. I did Miami getting five and
a half and the over one fifty and a half. Now,
why would I do that? If miamis in the game,
it's gonna because their offensive scoring. They're not winning a
low scoring game with Connecticut. They just are not. So
there's there's a chance in Miami covers and the game's
(06:15):
like eighty to seventy eight or whatever, high scoring. And
also Connecticut, and I dropped the numbers last week thinking
Gazago would beat him. Connecticut I believe is o and
four in games decided by five points or less. But
they've basically blasted everyone who's not a Big East team,
So that's one of the bets that I made. I
also have the over one thirty two in Florida Atlantic STSU.
(06:38):
We know it's going to be a rock fight. It'll
probably be low scoring. That being said, would not shock
me if this game goes overtime. SDSU games are really
low scoring in the fifties first to sixty probably wins.
Would not be surprised at this game one overtime. It'll
be close. And I have San Diego State money line,
which I do have at one thirty two. I see
(06:58):
it's up to minus one thirty five this morning. Not ideal. Yeah,
now I'm saying it at one forty on another site. Geez,
So I mean I got I got a one thirty two,
which I don't hate. I don't love it as much
at minus one forty six. So what you got a
one hundred forty six bucks to win one hundred don't
love that. And by the way, Florida Atlanta could easily
win this game. This is gonna listen, we could see
(07:20):
two close games, would not surprise me. I know a
lot of people are gonna gravitate toward the under because
it's in the big arena and these are, you know,
young college kids. I'm just gonna, you know, caution to
the wind and I'll go the over. So I've the
over in SDSU Floria Atlantic, I've got s SDSU money line,
and I have Miami a parlay with Miami getting the
(07:42):
points and the over. I think we could get into
some interesting player props for the title game on Monday,
so we'll obviously have that will be a podcast Monday
after that. We shall see just simply because it's spring
break and your boy needs to dial it back a
little bit, Dial it back a little bit. All right, guys,
Without further ado, let's get to this week's guest, former
(08:05):
NFL scout. He really likes to dig into quarterbacks, Daniel Kelly.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports
Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f
SR to listen live. Jason likes to think he knows
(08:28):
everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports
dance wants, but for everything he doesn't. He knows a
guy who does. Let's just say I know a guy
who knows a guy who knows another guy. All right,
let's welcome into straight fire. A guy we had on
last year ahead of the draft, and you remember, I
think he was on two years ago as well, right
(08:49):
before we talked about Zach Wilson, and this gentleman is
a former Jet scout. He did not like Zach Wilson,
he did not like Trey Lance. But he also, if
memory serves, he didn't like Trevor Lawrence. So we thought
we'd bring him back where two years and now a
lot has happened. Daniel Kelly, how are you doing, hey,
I'm doing well, Jason, thanks for having me back on
(09:11):
your show. Yeah. Man, it listen. Not a lot of
guys were right about Zach Wilson. I mean, listen, it's
a weird situation where these young guys who were quarterbacks
that are in the league, not a lot of reps.
Everybody loves them. There's one of them in this draft,
Anthony Richardson, and then they get to the league and
it's like, whoa learning curve is? Steep? I don't know
(09:33):
where do you want to start this year's class or
you want to rehash, you know, the guys from a
couple of years ago, justin fields kind of a TBD. Still, Yeah, no, absolutely,
we can start back where we were left off if
you want to. Yeah. I mean, the guy who won
Rookie the year was Mac Jones and everybody loved him,
and they got to the playoffs. They got smashed by
the Bills. But Mac Jones in year two was an abomination,
(09:58):
and at one point he was benched for Bailey Zappy.
And now Mac Jones gets another offensive coordinator. Everybody's excited.
It's weird. There is video. We're recording this on Thursday.
There's video as Bill Belichick should be doing scouting ahead
of the draft. He is at the Max Duggan Pro
Day TCU watching Max Duggan. Listen, Max not got had
(10:21):
a really nice career. I don't think Belichick is as
sold on Mac Jones as some of Patriots Nation. Where
are you on Mac Jones entering year three? I still
really like Mac Jones. I mean, the last time you know,
we were on together, I mean, you know, I had
said he was a more polished version, you know, than
Trevor Lawrence. I still really like him. I still really do.
(10:43):
He came out strong for me as rookie season. As
you pointed out year or two. A lot of times
quarterbacks we'll slip a little bit in year or two
before they come back in the year of three. The
thing I hold on to with Mac Jones is the
downfield ball placement. I saw it Alabama. He had done
his rookie season, his completion percentage. I feel that he'll
(11:07):
get back. I think this year he'll be back. Very optimistic. Um,
do you want to do a victory lap on Zack
Wilson or just say, well wait a minute, it's a
little early to bury him. I don't know where are you, Yeah,
he's done, done, done, done done. Yeah. I think he'll
probably hang around the Jets for a little bit longer
(11:28):
because of the relationship his uncle has with the owner.
But I think overall, I with that, with that Jeff
Blue Airlines the official airlines of the New York Jets.
But yeah, I just think that the confidence levels not there,
and you know, I don't think that he's going to
be able to rebound from that. Unfortunately for him. I
(11:49):
mean as a person, as young man, it's very unfortunate
for him, because you touched on these quarterbacks get thrown
into these situations and before they're ready. I mean, I
have a third round great on Zach Wilson coming out
by U, and I felt that he was he was
a guy that he did some things well, especially the
unscripted stuff at BYU on game film. I felt like,
(12:11):
you bring him in, you bring him along slowly. I
mean back of the day when I grew up, the
third round was a great round to draft a developmental
guy with upside. That's where I felt Zach Wilson was. However,
the Jets, you know that the way the NFL is
going these days, they bring him in as a top five,
you know, blue chip guy, you know we're gonna win
(12:32):
now type of thing. And going into most teams is
difficult enough. Going into New York is times too difficult.
You know, that's a tough place to go into to
win for anybody at any age, but let alone for
a young guy that come in there like that. And
I just felt like it was just it was really
a doom from the beginning, you know, as far as
(12:54):
with that offensive line situation they have and everything else
out there, and it was just a lot of pressure
to put him in very quickly. And it's once a
quarterback loses his confidence, it's unfortunate. But I've really never
seen them rebound from there. And then Trevor Lawrence was
the polar opposite. I mean, he struggled in year one
with Urban Meyer. Year two, easy lights out. They get
to the playoffs, they win a game, well, come back
(13:17):
against the Chargers and I think they were down by
a billion, and then nearly I mean I think they
covered against the Chiefs. I'd have to look back, but
all signs pointing up for Trevor Lawrence. Are you ready
to say, hey, I get it, I was wrong or
so it's a little early. It's a literally that's why
I'm not doing a huge victory lap. I'm the Zach Wilson, Yeah,
because I remember our conversation very well. You know, it's
(13:39):
something where he definitely did exceed my expectations last season,
you know, with the Jaguars, you know, finishing nine and
eight and making the playoffs like that, and with the
comeback and the playoffs as well, you know, that was
all that was all good. I'm very curious to see
if he's able to you know, carry that forward in
year three. So I'm just like, you know, just like
(13:59):
with Matt Jones, you know, I'm gonna kind of just
to hold out on that one, you know, for another
year at least. Then after this year, I think we
can you know, at least I can definitely say, you know,
thumbs upper, thumbs down on the predictions and the evaluations
I had, you know, going into the twenty twenty one draft.
All right, so let's look at the current draft. I
have a mock that came out on foxsports dot Com
this week, and I know what the gambling odds say
(14:21):
about c J. Stroud going one, and I understand everybody
loves Bryce Young. I just can't get over the idea
that someone would trade up a lot of draft capital
as Carolina did to go for the shortest quarterback to
be taken a Round one ever because Russell Wilson wasn't
a first rounder. Okay, Drew Brees was not a first rounder.
Drew Brees didn't pop till the second team. I had
(14:42):
Anthony Richardson going first, and I know it. People say, oh,
he's not ready, he's not ready. I get it, you know,
I totally understand. He was started like what twelve games
last year and then played a little bit the year before.
But when you talk about upside, I think we had
Daniel Jeremiah and last week. He loves the upside of Richardson.
I think everybody basically does, but they're afraid to take
(15:03):
him early. What do you think happens at one with Carolina?
I think they're gonna I mean, between the two of them,
I mean, I'm a huge CJ. Strout and Bryce Young fan.
To begin with, I've given I've looked at about ten
eleven games on both of them. I'm giving the slight
edge to Bryce Young. Is my QB one headed into
(15:25):
the twenty twenty three draft because I feel like his
skill set transfers best to a losing situation. When I
say losing situation, I mean last year's records respectfully, you know,
I feel that his ability to create an extend plays
on his feet, covers up and compensates for some of
(15:49):
the maybe offensive line deficiencies that may exist in Carolina
to the point where he can move around some And
and because no matter who's playing defense, you know, one
Mississippi two, Mississippi three, Mississippi four or five, et cetera,
that's a long time to cover somebody. And the way
Bryce Young can move, the instincts he shows in the
(16:12):
pocket are phenomenal. It's like he has eyes in the
back of his head. And I understand the size concerns.
I get that. I think I've I've compared him to
a Fran Tarkington with the Vikings kind of that same
style of you know, quarterback that's scrambling and moving around
a lot, and and yeah, I get And I think
Fran was about the same size when he played with
(16:34):
the Vikings around I think maybe Frand was six foot
about the same size. But he's able to move around
a lot. And then just he's like Hoodini in the pocket.
And then the thing that really sold me on Bryce
Young was the was the instincts as well as the
downfield ball placement. To me, that's one of the most
underrated parts of scouting is the ball placement downfield. And
(16:56):
I'm not talking about just about completion percentage, but the
ability to put the ball of course on point where
receivers can you know, extend to plays and get yards
after the catch. I love that a brot Bryce Young.
I think he's very smart. I think he has a
very good feel just overall for the game. So yeah,
I have him as my QB one and all this
hopeless sense August, I've had CJ. Strout in that spot,
so this is just a recent change for me. CJ.
(17:18):
Strout I've compared to Warren Moon. To me, it's he
is just the way the kind of the way he
processes the game from a pre snap standpoint, and how
he's able to read what's going on, especially with the safeties.
I keep hearing the announcers all the time talk about
how he's reading the safeties and when they come up
(17:40):
or they go back and he kind of makes a
decision from there. He has complete command of the pocket
and he just processes information so quickly, both pre snap
and post snap. I think that too, gives a team
that a competitive advantage. It's had a bad record last
year because he's able to make those quick decisions in
a league where we see an average at two point
(18:01):
five seconds release time, you know, for a quarterback, I
think he's able to process information that quickly. And the
thing that really has sold me on CJ. Stroud, just
like a dad with Matt Jones, was the downfield ball
placement is just beautiful. I mean, he puts the ball
right where it needs to be. And so, yeah, those
two guys, I feel I can go into a situation
and I think, really in in you know, in the
(18:23):
thirty years I've been evaluating, I think these two guys
give a struggling franchise the best opportunity to turn things
around quickly that I've ever seen. I mean, I'm really
I'm very high in both of them. Dare I say
gushing about these guys? So I looked up Tarkington sixty's
listed again six zero one ninety, but that was back
(18:44):
in the sixties and early seventies. I mean, we're coming
off a season where We just saw twa look awesome
for half the season, suffer two concussions because he got
ragdalled and listened as capabilities. One thing the players, I
think the edge rushers have never never been bigger, faster,
or stronger, you know, as good as two It was
(19:06):
two hits and it's lights out and now there's what
we don't even know if you're to survive in the league.
Does that give you pause for Bryce Young, there's there's
a pause. I think. I think you have to recognize
his size and understand the violence of the game. I mean,
we saw it with RG three, with him running all
around like that, and what happened with him. Uh, it's
become a much more you know, even even violent game,
(19:28):
a faster game maybe as far as like the violence
is concerned. So when those guys are running like that,
I mean we saw it with Justin Fields too. Uh.
That is that is a concern, There's no question about it.
But I think the thing that gives it got me
over that pause to your point, Jason, was the fact
that to me, Bryce Young is a quarterback first and
the athlete second. So so to me, when he's moving
(19:51):
around back there, his first instinct is not the takeoff
and run. He will run and he can't pick up
chunks of yardage, but he's looking to throw first. I
think I saw a lot enough of that to be
able to say, okay, he's moving around. He's moving around.
I mean, there was an anthem opportunity to take off,
but he hung in there and then he threw it.
So I don't think he's gonna be one of these
guys that's gonna come in there and just look to
(20:11):
run all the time. I think he's gonna pass first,
which may be the saving grace for him in the league.
So on Stroud, this is a guy who coming into
the season was like, Okay, yeah, he's good, he's a prospect.
A lot of people had him going high. But during
the season, you know the Notre Dame game. Early, he
looked he's all right, nothing special. They struggled to get separation.
Then they played a lot of bad teams. They didn't
(20:34):
play like another ranked team until Penn State, and they
ended up pulling away. I think the defense had a touchdown.
He was he was fine, didn't really have a distinguished game.
And then they go up against Michigan and I know
people are saying, well, the weather wasn't great. Okay, well
both quarterbacks had to deal with that, and the opposing
quarterback had a pretty damn good game. Stroud in the
second half could not move to football on the Michigan
(20:54):
defense couldn't move it. He was abysible and they lost.
He bounced back strong with a month to prepare for Georgia.
He looked awesome, looked like a totally different player. I mean,
you know this, but he didn't have a game with
more than six carries all season. He had twelve in
the Georgia game, and we looked elusive. It was almost
(21:15):
like Herbert who didn't really run at Oregon because it's
that wasn't called for. And then in the Rose Bowl
you see this lumbering, scrambling guy. You're like, whoa, he's
got another dimension. I just feel like people have been
a little irrational about Stroud here because of the Georgia game.
And by the way, two years ago he had Olave
(21:36):
and Wilson and Jackson Smith Na Jigba, and then last
year he had the greatest receiver in college football, Marvin Harrison.
I don't know this year's class is medioca. Marvin Harrison's incredible.
Should we be pumping the brakes a little on Stroud again?
I like him top ten shot, but number one overall.
You know, that's interesting you mentioned that, Jason, because that
(21:57):
was my number one concern was because I think you're
touching on something very important is level of competition. And
when you're looking at these quarterbacks going into you know,
a top five or a top ten situation, going into
situations with losing records last year, a lot of deficiencies
that type of thing. They're not could be playing from
(22:19):
the you know, the positive side of the scoreboard. A
lot of time, they'll be playing from behind. So so
how will he respond to that? And that was a concern.
I saw another game where he, you know, he kind
of hung in there a little bit better against I
forget who it was, but he hung it a little
bit better any But he wasn't in a lot of
those situations where he had to come from behind and
(22:39):
had to rally the team and stuff. So that gave
me a little bit of pause. Whereas Bryce Young, when
he was in those type of situations, I couldn't tell
if they were winning or losing. You know, the way
that Young played, you know he looked the same either way.
That's another reason why I gave the slight edge to
Bryce Young. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the AAN. Catch all of our shows at
(23:02):
foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search
FSR to listen live. So I have in my notes,
you know, keep an ongoing list anytime I get a
text or talk to somebody. And I saw that there
were nine folks from the New York Giants at c
J Stroud's pro day. They were eight from Seattle, fourteen
(23:23):
from the Panthers. I don't think the pantherson has many
to Anthony Richardson's which happened today as we record this.
Anthony richards of course hit the roof with one throw
on purpose. I think he was saying Will Levis did it,
so I can do it. And then he started he
did like a broke out a backflip at some gymnastics move.
I gotta ask my daughter what it was. But the
athleticism Richardson has the power. Is this a guy you
(23:46):
would take a flyer on in the top five? No oo,
not at all. No, there is it something just way
too raw? Is I mean, do you not like him
in the first round at all? Where are you on him?
I have a fifth round grade Anthony Richardson. And the
reason why here we go, yeah, right, fifth fifth round pick.
(24:10):
And the reason for that is, you know, I just
talked a little bit about Bryce Young and how he's,
you know, a quarterback first and an athlete second. Richardson,
to me, the biggest thing that has me hung up
on him is that he, to me, strikes me as
an athlete first who's trying to play quarterback, kind of
(24:31):
like what we saw with Trey Lance when he came
out of North Dakota State. The thing about Richardson is
I see the athleticism. I see the things people talk
positively about with him. But to me, the thing that
scares me the most about Anthony Richardson is he looks
like he tends to hold the ball too long, and
(24:53):
to me, it's like he's having trouble being able to
figure out what he's looking at down field. So when
we see him kind of scrambling and moving all around
and everything, to me, he's creating his own druma a
lot of it when he when he does that. Uh.
The other thing to a couple of different things about
about Richardson to give me pause is the you know,
(25:13):
number one, he has inconsistent ball placement down field that
scares me quite a bit. And also too, he tends
to throw a lot of dangerous passes. In the film
Exposure I watched, there's a couple two three passes in
every game that maybe they're maybe they are intercepted, maybe
they're not, but a defense gets gets their hands on
(25:35):
the ball. And I think when you're talking about going
into a team, whether it's a bottom fifteen sixteen team, potentially,
you know, these are a type of throws well for
any team really, but especially for a team that's struggling.
These are a type of throws that can make or
break a game. And then also to the thing I
know is watching him and studying him on the film,
(25:56):
was he struggles most under pressure, whether that is the
pass rush in his face or in a game situation,
he tends to really press uh and that that could
be an issue as well. And as a runner, it's
something where I didn't feel like, you know, I wasn't
watching Lamar Jackson. I wasn't watching you know, a Michael
(26:18):
Vicker or a Randall Cunningham or somebody like that running around.
To me, it seemed like he was able to take
what was there to take. But it wasn't somebody that
was overly elusive or somebody that was good. I mean,
it's not like a elite Cunningham. Let's let's you know,
if I could put it that way, a guy who's
an elite type of runner. It's so those the combination
(26:39):
of those type of things, and then the additional fact. Now,
a lot of times people will say, well, you can't
be a stats scout, and I completely agree with that
is but the stats to me sometimes confirm the evaluation,
and it scares that. It really scares me when I
look at Richardson and see last year a fifty three
point eight percent completion percentage at Florida, and then I
(27:02):
go back and I look at him in high school
and see a fifty I think a fifty three point
two percent or somewhere in that area. I think, you know,
so this is a guy that's never completed over fifty
three percent of us passes at any level. Now we're
going to ratchet it up and go into the NFL,
where the game is, as we know, is a lot
more complex. It's a lot faster, and like we talked
(27:24):
about those quarterbacks coming in twenty one, if he does
end up in a situation where somebody takes him high
in the first round, now he has that pressure on
top of it to come in. There's no time to develop,
there's no time to do anything besides get under center
with a team that's not that good to begin with,
with all the pressure on him, and let's go. Let's
see how it works out. And that to me is
(27:45):
a recipe for disaster. I've totally spaced about Malik cunning him.
I'm like, wait, a secon, where do I know that
the Louisville quarterback who is yes, really elusive? Yeah, so
I did look up the numbers on Richardson. Yes, fifty
three percent completion's very Josh Allen like of him. I
will point out Josh Allen and Wyoming. Of course, the if, like,
if we're gonna overreact to one game of Stroud against Georgia,
(28:09):
why aren't we giving the benefit of the doubt to
mister Richardson. If you watch a the game against Utah
where he was unbelievable on the ground eleven for one
oh six three touchdowns. And then the game against Tennessee,
they lost, and they fought hard. Tennessee, by the way,
was undefeated for much of the season. He threw for
four hundred and fifty yards two touchdowns and then rushed
(28:32):
for two more touchdowns at just an unbelievable game. Like
he's basically out there by himself keeping the team in
the game. And again, I know those are stats, and
I'm not scouting off the stats, but just the potential
upside for this guy. Again, he's got twelve starts under
his belt, like people forget and I know this is
going to sound crazy. When Patrick Mahomes came into you know,
(28:53):
he was coming out of Texas Tech, it's like, oh yeah,
this guy put up monster numbers at Texas Tech in
the Big twelve where they played like Arena league defense.
And then you know it's like, well it's got a
good arm. Okay, fine, and he drops to ten. The
Chiefs trade up. He sits for an entire year, so
he gets a year to sit, and then he gets
Andy Reid. I mean, you know this that could anybody
(29:16):
have it any more perfect than Patrick Mahomes. You get
a year to sit and then you get one of
the best offensive coaches ever. Any of the quarterbacks going
this year ain't getting anywhere close to that. And I
say this because of the Drew Brees. Oh well, Drew
Brees is a small quarterback. Oh you mean the guy
who's drafted the second round, didn't really work out the
first few years, had an injury, then lands in New
Orleans with this guy named Sean Payton and boom, Like,
(29:40):
doesn't circumstance matter almost as much as talent? Hey can?
Hey can. That's why I try to watch as much
films as possible, is because it's the more film, the
better on these guys. Because what it's not the one off,
whether it's positive or a negative, that I'm looking for.
(30:00):
I'm looking for patterns and tendencies over an extended period
of time that keeps showing up. And that's where I see, Like,
to me, it's like it looks like to your point, yeah,
there there was. There was some good play, there was
good games. That's why you know people are looking him
like this naturally. But to me, it's like there was
enough consistency there of Okay, the bomb line with him
(30:23):
is I don't think he can read defenses. That that's
that's my big thing with him. And so if he's
having trouble reading defenses and has a fifty three point
eight percent completion percentage of Florida, what's that going to
look like against the forty nine Ers or the Vikings
or the Bears. That that's my challenge. Number one challenge
(30:44):
with Richardson is how is that going to play out?
And then will he stop doing those dangerous passes? Because
the dangerous passes will get him on the bench faster
than anything else. In my mind, where are you on
Jordan Love possibly starting for the Packers? He's had a
many years to sit he I think he led the
country in interceptions when he was coming out of college.
(31:07):
I mean, is this a guy you think you'd come
in and get the package to the playoffs or there's
going to be a bit of a curve. I do.
I like what I've seen on Jordan Love in preseason action.
We haven't seen a lot of him, but I do
think that he provides enough of a dual threat and
he can move round back there. In the preseason games,
I have seen a Jordan Love. He's seemed like he
knew what he was what he was doing back there.
(31:27):
So I'm I'm excited for the Green Bay Packers fans
for what they had to look forward with Jordan Love. Really,
that's yeah a surprise. All right. Let me give you
a scenario. Culture at four, Anthony Richardson is on the
board the way you look at it, could we could
we draft Richardson at four? We don't intend to start him.
We roll out Gardner Minshew who knows Shane Steikin from Philly,
(31:50):
and you know what, we're going to make the best
of it. If we are a four win team, all right, great,
then we're in the mix for the number one or
number two pick. If we have managed to win six
or seven and Richardson showing us, hey, he could be
the guy in the future. Maybe there's something there. And
you start to build around a guy on a rookie quarterback,
you've got multiple years left. Where are you on that
(32:10):
game plan for the Colts? Because like a tanking, you know,
people keep saying all the Jets don't get Rogers, they
should just tank like that. Robert Sale is not tanking.
He will be fired, the GM will be fired. But
the Colts coach just got there. Shik's Sikons brand new
is that you think that's in player. You still like Listen,
I got a fifth round grade. I would never do that. Yeah,
(32:31):
the latter I have a fifth round grade. I would
I would never do that. She's not a fan at all.
Let me give you another name, the kid out of TCU,
Max Duggan. I have heard good things. I like him.
I think if there's any quarterback after the first round, second, third, fourth,
I don't know how long he's gonna last. There's a
guy with multiple years starts under his belt. He's mobile
(32:53):
and elusive. I don't think he's like gonna like the
world on fire or be the next major superstar. But
if you're talking about a quarterback on a rookie deal
the way Jalen Hurts, the similarities between Hurts and Duggan
are actually kind of decent um when you look at
amount of the amount of starts they've had, the winning
background that they have. There are a lot of questions
(33:14):
about Hurts Max Duggan. Is there a scenario where he becomes,
you know, not not quite brock Purty, where a seventh
round guy you're surrounded with awesomeness. But Jalen Hurts could
could he be a Jalen Hurts in the NFL. That's
a pens I'm on offense about about Max Duggan, I
think that, you know, I do. The thing I like
(33:36):
most about him is how aggressive he was throwing the
ball down field, and I like his mobility. But I
think that he's a he's a developmental project, something along
the lines of it's going to take a couple. I
think it takes. In all fairness, I think it takes
a lot of these guys a good couple two to
three years to really figure out the game. Um, you know,
(33:57):
and especially for the upper round guys, say, you know,
a brock Purty is kind of an interesting study for
me because, you know, he had no pressure, no expectations.
He was able to come in and I think that
kind of helped him in a way versus a lot
of these guys that come in top five, top ten,
first second round. I think there's so much pressure on
these guys. It's a different game than it was twenty
(34:17):
years ago or thirty years ago, or even even longer
than that. It's a different game where guys just don't
have the luxury of being able to sit on the
bench and learn and study and be able to, you know,
just kind of like it because the game is much
different than the college game. Not only the size of
the football different. I mean it's a larger football right
in the NFL, but then it is in the college
regulation size football, but also just the speed of the
(34:40):
game and the complexity of the game and the complexity
of the defenses and everything that they're seeing. I think
it takes a lot of these guys, you know, that
long just to get a handle on what they're doing.
I'm looking at up Max Duggan forty three starts in college,
Jalen Hurts forty two. Jalen Hurts looks like he got
to the NFL at a round twenty two. Max Duggan
(35:04):
currently is twenty two, just turned twenty two this month.
So I mean, again, these are not incredible markers, but
the similarities are there a lot of college starts mobile
age because every time anybody brings up well, Bryce Young,
Drew Brees was small, Like, that's not an apples to
apples taking Bryce Young number one for sister Drew Brees.
(35:26):
Are there any other quarterbacks that you kind of like
in this draft who are not on everyone else's radar?
I like Jaren Hall on a by y Okay. Yes, So,
I think to me, Jaren Hall could be who everybody
had thought Zach Wilson was supposed to be if he's
given enough time to develop a little bit. I have
a second round grade on Jaren Hall. There there's a
(35:49):
lot that's he's a true dual threat quarterback that can
move around. He's got some looseness and running ability to him. Us.
I like the fact how he battles back and games.
When he's down, he never gives up and he keeps throwing.
There's some issues with um uh you know, be able
to get rid of the ball quickly as far as
some inconsistency as far as the release times concerned. There's
(36:11):
some inconsistency as far as ball placement's concerned. But I
think that if a team were to bring in a
Jaron Hall in the second round and put him behind
an established starter, at at least they would have a
quality backup that could come in and spark a team
if need be. Um I also like Jake Hayner out
of Fresno. Yeah, I like what I've seen out of him.
(36:33):
I have a third round grade on Jake. I think
that he's got he's got upside. He's another guy that
runs round back there and it's kind of a gun
slinger mentality. He's an aggressive thrower and he's a mobile guy. Um.
I think he'll make a quality backup the Starness League.
You know, a guy you can put at number two
and bring along. I also like the the guy out
(36:55):
of Purdue I aid an Ocunnel, um, and I like
him in the in the fourth round. Is a great
at placed on him. I would be very interested to
see if like the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, we're talking
about Trevor Lawrence. You know, that could be a perfect
opportunity for him to come along, you know, you know,
behind Lawrence, and that could give Jacksonville a real high
(37:17):
quality backup. The thing I like about those guys, Jason,
is they are all pro style quarterbacks. And when I
watch a quarterback, whoever it is, on game film, uh,
you know that, the number one question that keeps going
through my mind is how does this skill set translate
to the NFL and what we've seen work in the NFL.
(37:37):
And and of course I'm also a huge fan of
Malie Cunningham. That's my number one prospect who I feel
is flying underneath the radar right now. I actually have
a first round grade on Belie cunning him. I've done
ten games to him on a Louisville To me, he
had a Now I understand he played longer Louisville than
Lamar Jackson, but he had a higher quarterback rade than
(38:00):
Lamar did Louisville. He had a higher completion percentage Lamar
did at Louisville, and he had a higher yards per
completion than than Lamar Jackson did at Louisville. To me,
and people say, well, you know, you know Cunningham, he
gets hurt a lot. That's the big knock the criticism
on him. He played him fifty six out of sixty
two games. And to me, when I talk about translating
(38:21):
to the next level, he has four characteristics um that
that translates very well to the next level. To me,
Number one, he processes rather quickly. Number two, he's got
good ball placement. Number three he's got good ball protection. Me,
he doesn't take a lot of wild and crazy chances
with the ball. He's you know, he calculates his throws.
(38:42):
And number four, which gives him the biggest advantage is
he's the best running quarterback in the entire classy by far.
I mean this, this guy is everything. Lamar Jackson ad
Justin Fields is on his feet. Wow. Um. So one
thing I just looked in checking the age of these guys.
Jared Hallo by US twenty five. He had his warmon mission.
(39:02):
Molik Cunningham is twenty four. And then let me see
you on this Aidan O'Connell out of Perdue. This is
a guy who is twenty four. So interesting. All three
of these guys are elder statesman. But I didn't hear
you mentioned Hendon Hooker. Are you not a fan of
miss Hooker? I am, Actually I'm glad you brought him up.
(39:22):
I am because I have a first round. I was
just thinking about more developmental guys. But Hennon Hooker is
I have a first round? Great on him. I like
a lot of the things I saw about Hendon Hooker,
you know, before the torn ACL. To me, he reminds
me a lot of Teddy Bridgewater. And in terms of
(39:43):
it's kind of interesting because both him and Bridgewater both
you know, toward the same left ACL. So I don't
know quite you know what we're going to see coming
out of that because I know that Bridgewater was never
quite the same after the injury. But with with Hendon Hooker,
to me, the number one thing that strikes me about
him is his efficiency. He seems to be very smart,
(40:04):
very efficient, and he's a guy that protects the ball
very well, doesn't take crazy chances throwing it, puts the
ball a lot of times where only the receiver has
a chance to get it. Had had some mobility to
his game prior to the ACL injury. The big concern
I have about hend and Hooker, and the reason why
I have him at twenty one right now in my
first round value board, is because his mechanics he throws it.
(40:28):
He's a very He has a very tightly wound, a
very you know, just a compact delivery that he seems
to rely on. And what happens is as he's winding
up and doing this, it's almost like he was taught
to how to throw the ball. So the trajectory normally
is about the same every time it's he basically stares
at the receiver he's going to throw live for an
extra moment. That's my fear and concern about hend And
(40:51):
Hooker because we all know in the NFL. An extra
moment or two can be the difference between completing a
pass and ending up on Sports Center for you know,
on the highlights for the wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Hooker.
I loved him, and then against Georgia it was I mean,
I think it was raining, but still he looked totally confused.
It was a rough game for him and in the ACL. So, um,
all right, look listen, this is interesting. So fifth round
(41:14):
grade on Anti Richardson for those scoring at home, first
round grade Malik Cunningham and Hendon Hooker. Yes, wow, that's harsh.
I guess we could get out of here. Um, Daniel
with this. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets. Now you know
I'm a Jets fan. You're wearing a Jets hat as
we record this. Um, you love it? You hate it?
(41:35):
Your thoughts? I hate it? I hate it? Yeah, yeah, no,
that's that's interesting. We're on the same page there. I
hate it, And the reason why I hate it is, well,
there's a couple of reasons. Number one, I think that
you know Aaron Rodgers to me as as you know,
I don't like what I've seen of him over the
(41:56):
last two three years. As far as the I think
the quarter of a position, by by trade is a
very selfless position, where you know, it's a team leadership position.
I don't think Rogers is there anymore. I think he's
become a lot more selfish in nature. So I'm concerned
about that as far as a leadership is, you know,
as far as a leader's concern. But the big concern
I have with the Jets is that to me, Joe
(42:19):
Douglas doesn't have any idea how an offensive line out there. Uh,
that offensive line is horrendous. I mean they're talking about
all these skill position guys are going to have everything.
I look at that line and I've read a number
of articles for SI Jets about this line situation. I mean,
they have hopes that Mikai Beckton is coming back at tackle.
I mean, after two years on the shelf, they got
(42:41):
they got Dwayne Brown at thirty seven, thirty eight years
old with a bum shoulder behind him. They got Max Mitchell,
you know who had the blood cloud issue. At the
other tackle position, they got Lake and Thomlinson. The grated
out really poorly even by PFF standards. At left guard,
they don't really have a viable center. Uh, you know,
their depth is I mean, Elijah or a Tucker is
very good, but he's one person. Yeah, the depth, the
(43:03):
depth is just nonexistent. So to me, it's like you
take a thirty nine year old quarterback and put him
in a city who's like a statue at that age,
and you put him behind that offensive line in New York.
I mean, I just think that just that that's a disaster.
I really truly don't see Rogers even making it through
three or four weeks behind that line. I mean, I
know him and Zach Wilson are great buddies, and I
(43:25):
think that's that's you know, that's that's why this is
whipping up like that. But yeah, I think that's going
to be an absolute disaster if Rogers goes out to
New York. Boy way to get me excited for it, Daniel,
see's goodness, Grace. Now, you're right though, I agree with
a lot of that, and then Rogers doesn't come back,
you get shafted with the pick anyways, Daniel Kelly, former
Jet scout, good stuff. Daniel thinks again, and you know, well,
(43:47):
we'll do a post mortem at some point, especially with
Zach Wilson's off the jet will definitely have you have
you back off of that sounds good, Jason, Hey, it's
great being on the show with you. Thank you so
much for having me on
Host
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
40s and Free Agents: NFL Draft Season
Daniel Jeremiah of Move the Sticks and Gregg Rosenthal of NFL Daily join forces to break down every team's needs this offseason.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Bobby Bones Show
Listen to 'The Bobby Bones Show' by downloading the daily full replay.