Change in Compton, California with Cynthia Nunn

Tez chops it up with the big homegirl, one of the founding members of California’s notorious Lueders Park Piru, Cynthia Nunn. They discuss how she honors her late sister Sylvia Nunn (featured on Gangland), by being the Executive Director of Sylvia Nunn Angels non-profit youth resource and referral center. The mission of Sylvia Nunn Angels is to “(S) Stop (Y) Youth (L) Living (V)Violence (I) in (A) America (N)Need (U) Unity (N) Needing (I) It (N) Now (A) Against (N) Negative (G) Gang (E) Environment (L) Living (S) Straight” and is based in the same Compton neighborhood where the Nunn family lived and the Leuders Park Piru originated.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, I go from you do. Let's just keep a
real straight shout with Jason. I'm gonna get a little
bit rougher. I'm here for it. Those who really believe
in the American process, all of us straight shot, no chasing.

(00:21):
What's your Girl? Tesla Figurer on The Black Effect podcasting
that word that what's happening straight shooters? This is your girl?
Tesla Figurer. We are in Women's History Month, and one
of the things that we do not do in Women's
History Month is celebrate Black women as we should. A
lot of times are stories are diluted, they are not

(00:43):
highlighted as they should be, especially when it comes to
women that come from the communities that I grew up in,
that are familiar to me, that have impacted my life
in a way that has really set me on my
path of what it means to be straight shot, no chaser.
And today I want to highlight a couple of women.

(01:08):
One give the flowers to Cynthia None, who is still
with us, and also pay homage to her sister, Sylvia Nunn,
who was no longer with us. And it is really
important that we give flowers while we are alive as
living history. Pay homage to those that were before us.
And I want to highlight what you would say female

(01:32):
g s. I know you don't hear a lot about that.
You it's unspoken. Unfortunately, you know, we don't have a
lot of platforms, you know, to really tell the story.
Shout out to the homeboys that Gangster Chronicles who said,
you know you have to interview Cynthia. I said, she
was already on my radar to do it, but you
make sure you put her on your show. Also we
get just speak to the man, you better start featuring

(01:53):
some of the big home girls around here. So I'm
putting that on the record right now to make sure
so to day I have Cynthia No joining me with
Silvia Nunn's Angels Compton, California's finest. Welcome to the show.
That's all right, who yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.

(02:15):
It's an honor and a plea to be a part
of your show. Yes man today, And that is so
true what you said, uh not honoring the women, you know? Uh,
James Brown says, it's clearly it's a man's world, but
it wouldn't be nothing without a woman or a girl.
So you know, here we are. You know that's real,
So let's get straight into it. And I'm just you know,

(02:39):
for those who haven't listened to any of my shows before,
I hope that you do. Particularly episode two episodes ago
with Clipper Spud Johnson Spud the Blood from Inglewood, California.
I met him in and I talked a lot Cynthia
about growing up in the Midwest and my neighborhood being
a Parru neighborhood. All of my cousins were Crimson but

(03:01):
I dated the Bloods and living in my neighborhood, you know,
literally growing up in the nineties, that was all you
know that I understood and no, so I bring that
to the political space because it's very similar, you know.
I try to show people how the same way you
have red and blue, you have red and blue Republicans
and Democrats, and the way they pushed the line. I

(03:22):
always say, push the line politics until something happened, is
it is identical to what I've seen the big homies stood,
meaning that it was always about their set, their family,
their loved ones. And it's so many misconceptions out there,
you know with gangs, and there's negative what you addressed
through your organization, but I've also seen a lot of

(03:43):
love too, you know, within those family units, and so
having you on was really important because I wanted people,
you know, to hear your story. And for those that
are not familiar with your sister, Sylvia Nunn, who was
featured in uh A Land and her name is is No,
she's known as Rambo and the non family. You guys

(04:06):
are notoriously known in being a part of one of
the founders of Piru, and you have taken that image
and transformed it into something today that I just don't
know if people are really aware about. So can you
kind of start wherever you think it's appropriate with you,
you know, and your sister and and and your involvement

(04:29):
in Piru and kind of have that transition to to
where you are today. Yeah, that's that's a lot a
long story, but I'm a I'm gonna go in between,
you know, all right. We were one of the first
Paru sets. I mean, we was here when it started,
my sister of course being younger than I am. But

(04:52):
in the seventh nineteen seventy two was when I believe
the gang started, well partly was introduced to Peru, you know. Um,
I think, well, the West Side came to the East Side,
and you know, one thing led to another and we
became pious you know, uh, gang banging. You know, basically,

(05:13):
I always say we were playing Russian Roule that with
our lives at that particular time. You know, we didn't know,
We didn't even I don't even think we even cared,
you know, during that time. Oh, I don't it's so
much and talking. I know, it's a lot. Yeah, yeah,
And that's okay. I'll try to because that is a lot.
That was a very broad question, so I'll marrow it.

(05:34):
So so because a lot of people don't understand. They've
never seen female gangsters, and so let's let me let
me ask you this for those from not familiar when
you said, you know, we became par became you know,
we became a part of it. I was what you
call a sympathizer for those that don't know, just really
closely affiliated. But for you, you know, actually being a paru.

(05:56):
Maybe it's it's easier if I asked what made you
start ripping the p funk? Like? Was it? I think
there's a there's an idea that somebody made you do it,
or you had to do it, or you were forced
to do it, but just kind of splain what did
it mean? What does it mean to become a female
g Like, how do you how do you how do
you do that? And how do you hold your own

(06:17):
among men? Oh? When we first moved to compan of course,
it was no games, you know, it was it was
all white people. You know. My best friend was a
white girl. And that was like in the sixties and
in the seventies. Once when the games came, you know, uh,
the west side came to the East side, and we

(06:38):
didn't have a choice to say whether we wanted to
become a power. That's that's that. That's all we seen
when you walk out your door, everywhere you turn, it
was it was nothing but par rouge. You know. So
sometimes when you don't have a choice, then you joined
the force, you know. And we joined. While I speak

(06:58):
for myself, I joint, you know, I became a piru.
Wasn't a joint. You don't have a choice. I became
a piru. And and holding my own was it's either
you had to the purpose of joining. You had to
eat the hole your own, uh, you know. And instance
how they say kill and be kill, you had to
fight or get whooped, be apart, or get beat up.

(07:20):
And I came up in a pretty strong family. You know,
my stepdad he was a fighter anyway, you know, he
was a boxer and just not being scared at that
particular time of nobody. We came from Watts, so we
came in strong, you know. Then we started, uh, you know,
hanging out with the homeboys, hanging with the homies, no,

(07:42):
just doing our thing. Um, people don't understand that women.
And I made a post early this week on banging
on wax came out in March n the coldest track
on there was love and a lot of people don't
know that it was bloody Mary, a female was doing that.
And there's a misconception on what women contribute, you know

(08:05):
to to a gang. And I, you know, we try
to explain that everybody. Some people fight, some people you know,
getting the other activities. Some people shoot, you know, some
people some people don't do nothing at all. You got
you got home girls that do something that working in
your office. You don't know who's affiliation, you know. This
This is the biggest misconception that people have about a

(08:27):
gang because it really is a family. So at that time,
so let's kind of go through that. So at that time,
you know, you you whip high rule. It really was
back then, bloods really did stick together. It's not as
much as it is now where they will fight each
other and bluffs notoriously, you know, always sit together. Which
is why I talk about it so much in politics
because you see the same thing with Republicans. They refused

(08:50):
to break. You know, if if somebody breaks, right it's
one or two and they're gonna shame that person or
what you calling the hood DP, they're gonna discipline that person.
And that's why I mirror you know, how bloods are
compared to crips, who back then they will fight each other.
They had, you know, some sets didn't like set, certain sets,
just like you see with Blue Democrats, you know, such
a big tent that you have a lot of inner fighting.

(09:11):
So blood to me, especially in the nineties, it was
really hard to be a blood back then because you
it wasn't the popular saying, you know back then, and
and you're talking about air going back to the sixties
and seventies. I'm just talking about just what I saw
the nineties that you know, the rappers, the crips, kind
of dominated the rap space. You know, it was the

(09:32):
most popular set. So in order to really be a
blood you had to really be about it because you
were constantly surrounded by enemies. So so you and your
sister being female, jeez, and going through all the things
you're gonna through. I encourage everybody to go watch gang
Land again featuring your sister, to go to get an example,

(09:53):
because she said, I I just won't forget. She said
that she figured if she was gonna bang, she was
really gonna do it. She she wasn't gonna suck a
round with it, she wasn't gonna play no games. And and
and so she she was her moniker was rambo because
of that. Now later on through her life she transitioned out.
She said, she's putting down Piru and picking up Jesus
as she went through that that transition. Where were you

(10:16):
through through that, you know, through that transition where you
also you know, transitioning with her or you know what
where were you in that in that journey? Where was
I at when she because she moved to Vegas, right
what I think it was like after my mom passed
away in December of ninety three, we all started well,

(10:36):
me and her boat. We started transition and she moved
to Vegas because she had asthma bad and you know
out here was so polluted. So they taught her that
she go to Vegas, and we have a lot of
family in Vegas. I stayed here. I still was trying
to figure out myself and what I wanted to do
or what God needed me to do. And I always

(10:57):
say I thought that I would just start cooking because
I want up selling tacos. You know, the Homeboys be hungry,
and uh So I sat around and I thought, Okay, well,
you know, I'm gonna make my money cooking. But I
guess God saw different. Not I guess God saw different.
You know that was that wasn't cooking, wasn't his part
of my journey for as for as God goes, you know. Uh,

(11:19):
I sat in the park and my truck and I
watched the Homeboys back. You know, they'd be over there
shooting dice whatever they were doing. Because I would see people,
I mean being back from then. Tell now, I knew
who the enemies were and who who they was. It
a lot of them didn't pay attention because we were
sitting in the park one day and Uh. We were
sitting at a bench and I had I think one
of my grandkids, my niece, and we're sitting at this bench.

(11:42):
Is hot this heck? And uh, I see this guy
walking up but nobody paying attention but me, and I'm like, man,
it's awfully hot for him to have this code on.
And as he got right to the edge of the park,
he started shooting. And my first thing was to dive
on my grand baby, which is what I did. And
you know, everybody jumped up because he ran back, ran

(12:03):
around the corner. I gets jumped in the car and
me jumping in my truck going to because it's it's
a thing with me when you do something to me.
Is this that adrenaline? You know? Like what the heck?
So you know, uh, just sitting around watching them and
trying to school them. Also, like you know, sometimes once
you get a reputation, sometimes people say it's good and
sometimes it's not so good because you have to constantly

(12:23):
watch your self, watching back. So you know, a vision
came to me. God gave me a vision of you know,
coming back to I always say, come back to help
what clean up what I had a part of, you know,
my my my brother, my Homeboys, you know, come back
and clean it up because we owe the city. You know,
I feel like we owe the city. We all these kids,

(12:44):
we are the Uh So my sister being in Vegas,
she uh teaching praise. Then she doing you know what
she do. I didn't start doing Sylvia not Angels though
during that time until she passed away. So I was
still you know, watching the Homeboys back, trying to figure
out again, you know what I wanted to do, what

(13:04):
I was gonna do or whatever. And then when she
passed away, I got got a phone call. She just
came down for the West Side Hood day. And my
sister is a little bit more outspoken to me. People
always I'm more shired than her, you know. And one
of my niece said, you didn't whooped everybody asking Compton.
Now you're talking about your shoe when you're fighting. You

(13:25):
ain't gonna do no talk. Policy, ain't no talk, right,
you know. But uh, she was just a more outspoken
and I never was for cameras. You know. I always
tell people we we lived our life, we did our thing,
but she was more of a TV person or whatever.
I'm more of Russell Simmons I'm behind the scenes, I
can make it happen, you know. But when she passed away,

(13:48):
then that's that's when I got my vision and to
start Sylvia none angels, you know, doing a lot of
our life. We didn't run together, but uh, if I
needed her, she was there. She needed me, you know,
I was there. We fought, and we had to fight.
We did whatever we had to do to make it.
And and let me go back to saying gangs that

(14:10):
always I'm trying to explain to the youngster today as well. Uh,
like you said, in order to be a parrue, you
had to be about that life. You had to go
through some hits and punches and everything. You couldn't just
walk on the set and say I'm a paru as
you could the crips, because there was so many crips,
you know, but you had to be you know, putting
them them guys with some tough god so they were

(14:32):
no pumps at all, you know. So you had to
be tough to be a piru, especially during that time,
seeing so many murders, losing a lot of people and
and different things that transpire to your life make you
want to turn your life around too as well. As
you know, change your life, especially when God had blessed
you to make it as far as I've made it

(14:54):
or whatever. You know, you made a statement, you said
I wanted to go Basically, pump are phrasing help what
you contributed to? The destroying words? And do you ever
feel because that's one of the criticisms that I see
even when people turn their life around. You know, people say, oh,
well you the ones to help you, the one that
started You don't want to. I know you can't focus
on the criticism, but do you ever feel it could

(15:17):
never be enough to replace you know, the loss of
life or the generational damage. You know that I think
all of us in some way you know, has contributed to.
That's not on the back of any one person, anyone gain,
anyone set. But how do you deal with folks who say, well,
you know you were a part of it and now
you're trying to help, and how do you deal it?

(15:38):
Do you do you feel? Uh? Is there basically what
I'm asking it, Cynthy, Is there a certain level of
guilt that you have that makes you continue to go on?
Or what? What? What motivates you? Do you when you
say you feel you oh, the city. I thought that
was deep, like it's only so much you as one
person can give. But is that what motivates you? Is
that coming from a place of gift or is it

(16:01):
coming from a place of you really are healed and
you you want to reach back or is it a
little bit of both, if that makes sense. Uh, I
don't speak uh till guilt, even though uh you know,
if I knew what I know now what I have
ever did it? Uh, I don't believe we some of us,

(16:22):
we really had a choice because when they came it
was Peru came over there. We didn't have a choice.
It was it wasn't something that you know, we were
uh well myself as one of the first generations. So
it was just it was something that happened, and you
didn't you didn't have a choice. You know, even for
people that didn't even gang bang basketball players or cheerleaders

(16:43):
or whatever, that didn't want a gang bang, you still
was classified. If you live in a Paru neighborhood, you
were still a power regardless of what. The only difference
is they protected the basketball players as well as you know,
it was a lot of more protection. There was a
lot of more unity than whatever. I don't I'm I mean,
would I do it all over again if I didn't

(17:03):
know better? Yeah? If what I do it all over again?
If I knew bed, I would probably have to tell
my mom to move because we stayed right across the
street from Louthers Park where Meanings and everything else was at,
you know, and you know, so we really didn't have
a choice. But you know, I tell the youngsters nowadays, God,
sometimes you have to go through something in order to

(17:25):
teach somebody something, you know. And if if if a
lot of us wouldn't have never went through, we wouldn't
be able to talk to the youngster today and tell them,
you know, what not to do, you know, what they
shouldn't be doing and what they should be doing. Uh,
you know, we have to experience it. But I I
still I do feel like we oh, because it's it's

(17:45):
like these kids are mocking everybody. You know, we was
coming up. You didn't have no Peewee's and no tinie.
You had straight putting, you had straight tam, you had
straight China dog yet straight savage. So now you've got
Chinese peeweez midges or whatever. So these kids all trying
to mock somebody that they don't even know. Maybe they
heard of or heard about, you know, and they don't

(18:06):
even know the life. And that's why I say history
is important. History is important for us. Black history is important,
you know, something that a lot of us, you know,
are still learning. So history is gonna always be important.
And if they learned their history, then maybe it wouldn't
be as much killing as it is. Because kids are
only you know, when you got kids, your own kids,

(18:27):
they listen to things if you don't. If you have
a friend and you're talking about her and she come over,
kids looking at them strange at the corner of that,
I like, you know, mama, you you know. So these
this generation is I think they are being taught by
the people that wanted to gang bang but waited till
either everybody died or with the prison that was watching
out the windows, and then they, you know, they came out.

(18:50):
So it's like the blind leading the blind, you know.
And these these babies deserve a chance to live. You know.
We when we were younger, we did at Louta's Park.
They had skating had you know, it was cown basketball.
We we had fun in our younger younger ages and
then this this gang came. So you have no choice.
If you have a gang from l A coming in

(19:12):
the content and try to take over, somebody had to
stand up and defend us, you know. And that's what
it was. It wasn't so much as you know, they
just started gang banging because they wanted to start a
gang bang. And it became a form of protecting your community,
you know, and they got it twisted nowadays. You know,
they these guys was protecting their community and you know,
trying to protect they they start basketball players and everything.

(19:36):
Now these kids to just shoot with their eyes closed,
you know. Somebody say they don't like somebody, they just
pull up and just shooting. That's why so many innocent
people getting killed. You know. But I still feel like
we all when I say, oh, come back and let
them know this is what this wasn't what it's about,
you know, we shouldn't you know this. This is not
how it was, you know. And so therefore it's important

(19:58):
to learn your history. People on to hear about putting
people on the here about China doll, people only here
about tam people only here about Savage volcano. These kids
don't know him. They weren't even when a lot of
them were here, you know, So you don't know nothing
about a lot of them. They don't They don't even
know about really really should death row you know a
lot of things. Everybody just based off of what I heard.

(20:22):
Oh the homies say, he don't like you are are?
You know? And then you got the girls out here
just God knows, some of them just listen to anything
anybody telling. Man. I always tell them if you if
you want a baby, you have a baby because you're
financially able or you want to take care of that time,
not because somebody tell you they love you. Because a

(20:42):
nigga tell you he loves you and walk away and
gonna take care of somebody else kids around the corner
next time. That's how they're doing it nowadays, you know.
So it's it's I mean this, they say they get wiser,
but weaker, we weaker, wiser they need they weaker. I
don't know about not even getting wise. That was my
next thing, Like, because you work with with kids, you know,

(21:05):
in your program, and one of the things that the
Big Home is always talking about is this younger generation
just they just won't listen at all. How are you
able to you know, get them to hear you because
you're because because your organization is successful, like people know
that you TUK you impact a lot of youth. You
also people also know that it's a safe place for

(21:27):
for people, that there's no old banging allowed nowhere, Like
you really truly have a level of respect in the stray.
I want people to know that you kind of like
you know boss mafia type mama, you know where they
know that no drama can go down at your spot,
like this is what grown asked me and tell me
they you know, so there's a certain level you know,
of respect that you have. You know, not just with

(21:48):
young you know, with young kids, but also with the
older homies. They know that, you know, your place is
a place where people can come regardless of their you know,
their affiliation and and contribute what they can to give back.
How did how do you accomplish that? You know, between
the mix of the young kids not listening to nothing,
you know that they don't even listen to their g homies,

(22:11):
you know, and so let along somebody that you know,
maybe not necessarily affiliated with them and still banging. How
do you get those worlds to to you know, to marry,
between them respecting you, between the older homies, whether it
be cribs, bloods, whatever. Shout out to Killer Mike. I
love when he was in town. He came and stopped
buying holiday at you. How do you get all those
worlds too to marry. A lot of that has to

(22:33):
do with women being able to nurture, being able to bring,
you know, people together. But how do you do that
as a female g when what's the youngest age that
you kind of start with? In these programs, I tell
them my work with kids from five to eighty. If
if you need help, I'm there. In the summer camp
we do. I've been doing a summer camp for the

(22:53):
last except for with the COVID, but before that, I've
been doing a summer camp with five year olds to
eighteen year olds to some twenty year olds, you know.
And I think a lot of it has to do
with interacting. You know a lot of these kids aren't
as bad as we think they are. We see what's
going on. A lot of it has a lot of
it come from home. You know. Some of these kids

(23:15):
are hungry. Uh we don't have no mode. Uh Medid's
and Big Mama's you know. I mean we have very few.
Let me take that back, because there we have very few.
And you know, I always say, uh, praying grandmothers is
what saved us. But the blessing that guy had on
my life, he was preparing me for everything that I'm
going through, everything that's happening, it's all Oh, all the

(23:38):
glory to God. He knew before I did, you know,
the banging, the reputation. And I think kids they accept
you more when you walk the you know, when you
walk into life that they're trying to live, you know.
I think that's what a respect may come from. You know,
it's not somebody that come out of a big building
with a suit and tie on. Are are are looking

(23:59):
at them like they you know or nothing. You know,
I'll tell them, mom, no better than them. I was
where they would you know where they were at, you know.
And I always explained to him, you know, Uh, God
saved me to be able to help you, you know.
And I think just love. I don't know if it's
if it's God gave me that extra neutering whatever. Because
I've been a foster parent and be legally and before legally,

(24:21):
I've raised a lot of kids a lot of kids
grew up in my mom home. A lot of triple
O G s and O G s grew up in
my mom home, you know. And then I've had a
lot of trips. Tell me when we were doing intervention, like, oh,
you saved my life, you saved my life. Some of
it I don't even remember. But if I did, then
I'm I'm more happy, you know, to know that I've
helped somebody, that I saved somebody life. I have a

(24:43):
lot of girls tell me that up or if it
wouldn't have been for you, you know, I would have
been out there in the streets. I just I feel
like if I could save the world, I would. I
know that's not my job, you know, uh, but I
just feel God has annoyed it to build in and
I've asked for a respect, you know, with my homeboys.
You know, you know, I said, that's the healing spot,
the building I'm in, you know. So if you see

(25:06):
somebody here that shot your sister, mother, cousin, brother, give
me the respect of not coming over here trying to
do anything or whatever, you know. And God has really
been blessing me in those areas and any blessings that
I have any blessings that I get, it just come
from God. I don't even know what'll be going on sometime.
I just know that, you know, there's blessings or whatever.

(25:26):
And you have to be real with the kids, you know,
not sit there and tell them you know what they
want to hear. You have to be real with them.
And also, like I said, I think it just has
a lot to do with growing up in my era.
Knowing that I've been there, you know that I walk
them shoes. I've I've seen people walk them shoes. I've
seen people get killed in front of me. You know,

(25:48):
I'm just it's just a blessing from God and uh
continue uh you know, He was preparing me for a
journey that I had no idea. Like I said, I
I thought I would be a cook, you know, I
mean cooking, you know, because I sell tacos. The crypts
will tell me all you was the taco lady. We
were standing all kind of girls over there, you know,
to get tacos because they couldn't come over there at

(26:09):
that particular time. You know. So it just knowing that, um,
I've been there. You know, It's not somebody that came
in trying to tell a story or or talk about
that lifestyle. A lot of the kids I know that
they know that, you know, or they heard their parents
or father somebody talk about you know, talk about me

(26:30):
and my family and my brother and you know, uh
my brother as well. That you know helped a lot
of people, and my mom a lot of a lot
of them was raised up in our houses. A lot
of these babies. I've raised kids that are burying their kids.
That's what's so hurtful and sad to me. I've raised
a lot of these kids and a lot of these
young ladies and and now they're burying their kids. And

(26:52):
it's like, like it's so hurtful to me too for
them to have to bury their kids. It's the mindset.
You know, You've got to change their mindset. And I
tell people have good organizations and you see a lot
of guys and stuff doing good things, but you're still
saying cause are you still saying blood? So you're not

(27:12):
changing their mindset. You know, you just you're helping them,
But you have to change the mindset. You know. You
have to show them, you have to build that trust
and and let them know like you know, I'm here
for you. Money is not always about money, you know,
it's it's the love, you know, the new neutrin, you know,
coming from a place where they might be missing the

(27:33):
love from home. You know, Mama might be chasing boyfriend
and daddy so they ain't getting the love they need,
or daddy might be chasing somebody else, so they need
that love, you know. And I I'll tell all the
homeboys come back. If you grab three, you grab three,
and somebody else grab three, you got a basketball team,
and then the other ones can grab three, and then
y'all can play against each other. You know, it's always

(27:55):
something for them to do, and it's really no interacting.
Everybody is on the phone with their head down. You know.
I tell my grandkids, hold your head up. You in
that car. You know, you don't know people out here,
but everybody if you're at the dinner table, if you
take them out to eat, if it's a party, everybody,
or if they see somebody getting beat up, you see
it all on the internet because everybody instead of help,

(28:16):
and you know we were growing up, you help, you
help your people. You know, everybody pull out the phone
a record something like come on now, you just you
just made an interesting point that is very true, and
those are survival skills. You know that you learned that
kids are just not learning. So I'm glad you know
because it literally can make a difference between life and death.

(28:49):
You mentioned, you know, people still saying blood and cous
and and still being affiliated, but still trying to change
their life into a different direction or be a positive influence.
What I've noticed, uh, Cynthia, is that a lot of
homies you know, really want to help kids, and they
really want to know. I've had this conversation with with folks,
but they still, you know, because it's a part of

(29:10):
their conversation blood this blood that they still have a lord,
especially talking about older you know, they have a loyalty
to what they know and all that they've known. I
just want you to elaborate on that, like how do
you disconnect from that but still be connected enough to relate,
you know, to a kid. So, in other words, if
somebody is still saying blood because it's a part of

(29:32):
their their their conversation, are you saying that if you
are going to help children, you have to like completely
change your life or do you recognize that people can
help in their own way, but they may be different
in their journey of transition. I'm not. They don't necessarily
have to. I mean when you help with somebody, I

(29:53):
just say, change their mindset. You know. I talked to
my brother and he always he say, you know when
these young casts come in here here and you know
they was coming in uh you know he was incarcerated.
Thank god they freed him, but you know, being incarcerated.
He was like, man, you stand up there and talk
to him and they blood me to death. He said,
I know who I am. I have I blood you
one time. Because when you know who you are, you

(30:13):
ain't got to prove it to nobody. You know, they
know who you is. They know these names. You know,
they they know who you are and where you're from.
But what you're trying to do is change because because
if they're on the job, you can't go to the
boss and say blood, let me get right care because
then he gonna either look at you and say you
know what you know? So you have to change their mindset.

(30:34):
It is you know, you can live in an area
and I mean we was blood blood all I like, like,
you know, like my language was who my kids told
me every other word through because I've really been working
on it. But I'm still working on it, so keep me.
I've been getting my cuss so that ain't changed. And
I'm telling you that. But if I can't help nobody

(30:55):
with no cussword and just say happening. But you keep
me for though? Why no they tell me I cuss,
but I you know when i'm I don't. Yes, it's
not like you know blood this I can tell them.
You can. Wrappers say you know, you know where you're from.
But sometimes what about when you're on the other side

(31:15):
of town where you're not supposed to be and you
slip up and you say that you know now it's
it's just so so different from you know, when we
were growing up. It's so different. You don't have the
law to you don't have the unity because most gangsters
that sagging, it's snitching, you know. Uh, I mean snitches
can live in the neighborhood. They can run with you,
hang with you. Like everything have changed. And I know

(31:36):
they say that was doing your time, but uh, with
with experience come wisdom, with wisdom come experience, you know,
like it was our time. But apparently you guys are
lost this like they in a big time council and
they don't know what's going on and somebody have to
come back and help them and save them. You know.
It's it's like when you have a baby, you gotta

(31:57):
teach you to crawl, to walk, to do these things.
So if you want to help them or if you
want to help save their life, you know you can
tell them. I mean address him as homeboy, homebly or whatever,
because then if you somewhere else and you're saying homeboy
at home and you know, then if you used to
saying that, then you won't be somewhere and saying blood

(32:18):
or because you know, I just feel like if you
gotta if you know a big name, you know, you
could be like, oh that should not he's a blood.
But should don't have to. I just you should at
the example, should you know, I'm cool with should that's
that's like my bro. But uh, I just say, like
you don't have to say, uh, you know you shouldn't
come address him? Are are myself? You know when the

(32:39):
kids come in, uh and they talk to me, the
first thing I do I get on them about sagging boy.
I don't want to see your butt. And then how
you sag and skinny jeans. Come on, that's the worst
thing in the world. You know. Uh, they're not you're
you're not a gangster. How you gonna hit the gate?
If if time commit you know you you lost are sagging,

(32:59):
you know so Uh A lot of these gang members
are the guys and gangs are some of the most
smartest intelligence guys. People don't know that, yeah, if you
because they're so busy judging them because they got tattoos.
You know, we're living in the judgment or world. We're
living in the name brand. We got name brand, dummy.

(33:20):
Some of them can't even spell their name, but they
got on all this name brand. That's not gonna get
you nowhere. You know, you you wanna build. You want
to have something to look forward to, you know, not
just live. I'm gonna say second and second nowadays you
know it's not even day for day a second and
second and I just want to see them live and
let them know that it's more to life than just

(33:41):
uh giving your life a freely because that's what you do.
You know, you you limited. You can't go nowhere. We
took some kids to Vegas. You know, they still asking
to go back took them to Uh, I've been taking
them the sea world and you know, you look at
them and you see the smile on their faces and
you know this is what they you know, they're happy,
you know, like Dr Drake paced for my snow every

(34:03):
year because my thing is some people, some parents have
never been able to ford to take their kids to
the snow, So why not bring the snow to them
where a lot of kids will get a chance to enjoy.
You know. The reason for me doing a lot of
the things that that I do there, it's like summer camp.
We do, Simon says mother may I read like green,

(34:23):
like dodgeball. You know, it's because the kids interact with
each other more. You know everybody old school game. Yeah,
and I'm very old school, and my kids even say that,
like like you you I'm not. It's not that old
school is just trying to teach you that you have
to do more interacting, you know, because if not, you
don't even you're sitting across from somebody you don't even

(34:45):
know nothing about. Because all y'all know is you. You
you either matter. You're on the phone, you know, and
you texting and texting and talking. Nobody is talking to
each other. You know, everybody got their phone. I didn't
win out with with with my daughters to eat something,
and everybody got their phone out. This is what we eat,
this is what we and then I see on Instagram
face but in the bathroom, it's like everybody. And you

(35:09):
came up in a time where that was definitely I
don't want you to know where I am all the time.
You made it into the point sounds like you talk
to these kids a lot about social media, and I'm
gonna ask this and then I want to get to
the programs that you're you're doing and then I'll let
you go. I'm just excited to have you on because
the wisdom I want to know the game, and I
know that the wisdom to me is just amazing. I

(35:31):
can suck it up all day. Do you think there's
enough for women and female gang bangers? There's always somebody
out there talking to the to the guys and the men,
and there's this unspoken you know, female role. You know,
we touched on it earlier, but there's a there's this
unspoken you know, what it means to be whether you're
a sympathizer a female gang member where you're dating a

(35:51):
dope dealing with you, but a female in the streets,
do you feel there's a big gap missing as far
as the organizations that we lift, you know, to say hey,
you know, let's save our black men. We get it,
We know that they're in endangered species, if you will,
We know that black men are certainly you know, targeted
on every every level of the game. But I feel

(36:12):
there's not enough like the shined on women like yourself
that can speak to other women on you know, some
of the things that they're going through, and I feel
they kind of get overlooked and and it's sad because
these are mothers, sisters. There's so much influence that the
woman has in the streets that people just don't realize.

(36:34):
You know, people don't realize that that pillow talk is
cold like a man coming home. And even if she's
not banging, she's still involved. She's still you know, she said,
you know, don't trip on that, don't it because a
lot of things that men do is let's just be
honest for the attention of women, money, women, girls, how
they how they act, who they who, if they showed

(36:54):
her tough and how tough they are, and a lot
of times, at least in my experience. You know, if
a woman is like, oh, don't trip on that, you know,
don't don't leave it in the long to deal deal
with something else. He a clown or you know whatever
that influences a lot with a man. Men may not
admit it, you know, but they talk to their woman,
They talked to their sisters, they talk to their home
girls and say, like, I know, females who really are

(37:15):
the nucleus you know, of their of their organization. Whether
people agree with what they're doing or not, that is
a real, I think issue that is not raised enough.
And I just I don't want to make that point
because we're in Women's History Month. What are your thoughts on,
you know, the programs and and the different opportunities that
are specifically aimed at women you know, in the streets

(37:37):
and how they can be you know, better mothers and
and and stop gaming and are they sailed dope to
you know, either they hold the sack. They hold the
sack and they might sell say like, don't get it twisted.
Women out there doing all of it across the board.
Do you think there's a missing component for not enough
of that for for women. I think it's not enough.

(37:58):
I think they feel like because we're a woman or women,
that we're not tough enough, not realizing Harriet tub and
say them that and she she was a woman, so
you know they need to go way back then because
she's a woman. You know, actually some of us are
probably even tougher because we can I mean, you know,
it was a time that we can carry the gun
to police can search us. We you can take us

(38:20):
to target practice, and you know we because they were
always looking for men to do these things. But you know,
women are, uh, we're just as tough. We just you know,
like they said, we we get overlooked a lot, but
we actually the toughest. I don't think a man could
have a would be able to go through the pain
we have of a baby. Uh you know, we carried administration.
We're like we just we do it all. We have

(38:42):
to be a mother even when the father walks away.
You know, we have to be a mother and be
strong when we get them phone calls that your son
didn't make it? Are you or somebody? You know it's
we We get overlooked so much till I think it
makes some of us even stronger and more determined to
do what we do because people figure like, oh, she
a woman, she can't do this. But I didn't see

(39:05):
women not you know, so they don't need to get
it twisted, you know. Um, I just think they feel
like because we wear a dress, A lot of us
wear paints too, you know, and a lot of us
can tie these dresses up between the medals, you know.
So but I do think that that we have been
I know, it's a lot of women that's trying to

(39:26):
come out and trying to do things. And uh, and
if they're doing it for the right reason, then uh,
you know, I tipped my ponytail to them or some
of them, some of them doing it just to be
doing it or whatever. You know, you have to be
deep in and feeling from the heart for you know,
for me to know that, uh, to understand where we're

(39:47):
coming from. And like you said, a lot of men,
as they call it, pillow talk what they come to
us women for a lot of that vibes. They talked
to us for a lot of our you know, me
and my brother we're best friends. And this this they
grow hardest, heck, you know. But uh, and even a
lot of my homeboys. You know, I talked to them.
They came to me and whatever I hadn't seen a

(40:07):
lot of breaks cried, they cried to you. You you
mediate all kind of ship. If the home is just
tripping and arguing, they come to you to say, Okay,
y'all you're tripping. I mean, it's so much that the
woman is involved without me getting that's it, without me
getting into breaking down the details. But you know what
I'm talking about. There's a lot I think. I think
they think because there are some young girls that got

(40:27):
put on, you know, through sex. You know, that's that's odd.
They got put on through ways that it's different. You know.
Then what you know, right because you came from that's right,
because you came from a generation of no, you got
put on through sabbing. Are you doing? You putting their work?
You know? But the younger girls they're doing something different.

(40:48):
And I know some sense they got more women and
the dudes, now some of them got put on by
some of the big home girls and put them on,
you know. And then you got some men that you know,
they bring their girlfriends in areas different ways. But so
I lead a leader there. But you came truly from
the female g generation that no, you got put all

(41:09):
based on what you brought to the table as a
gangster period. So I feel there's a missing conversation. You
know that I'm always you know, putting you out there
to say. You may not realize that I'm sitting it here.
But I said all the time when I talked to
Big Still, you know, gainst Chronicles podcast, because he's always
talking about you know, getting out and having events and speaking,

(41:30):
and I'm always saying, you gotta make sure that a
female's voices there, and he'll say me, and I said,
but I can speak to it from a girlfriend's standpoint,
I can't speak to it from you know, literally banging.
You need to make sure you have somebody like you,
you know, part of that conversation. I can tell you,
you know, my what it was like for me, you know,
and the choices I had to make, and when you

(41:51):
know I've done things that I know I'm supposed to
have a felony for. I know when I was supposed
to lose my life, not just guessing. You know, when
you got when you've had a your head, you know
you were supposed to die. Was no confusion about you know,
when I tell people I know that I'm I'm living,
I know is that I can tell you to day
that I was supposed to die, you know, so I
get my perspective. But I also know that I didn't

(42:15):
live your life, and I pay homage to you. And
I'm so glad that, like they say, that we can
see you instead of you you. I am just completely honored.
You know by this. A lot of people may not understand.
I do a lot of West Coast interviews a lot,
but it really is what frame my life. It's why
I talk this ship on the mic the way that
I do. You know, it came from being around strong women,

(42:36):
you know, and only being the only female most occasions
around guys, you know, and being happy to talk that
ship and you know, backing up and everything else that
comes with it. So I couldn't run from a fighter's
they tell you better stand there, you better stand there,
and if you run, you know all you know, what's
it gonna let me what? You know, That's what we

(42:57):
had to do, you know, That's what That's why my
sister was so tough, because she came up up under us.
You know, she's the baby, she's my baby, sister so,
and then everybody hung at that house. I mean from
from the beginning to the end, everybody hung there, you know,
everybody like everybody hung there. You know. I had crip say, boy,
when we used to be riding the bus up Rose

(43:18):
plans a big home. Me say, don't y'all even look
over the house. They say that, like I hear the
different stories, you know, and the make you laugh now,
and I'll be like, oh, they'd be like, but see
you cool. Oh, you know at the end of the day,
when seeing so many and you know, my brother, my
nephews and people you know, actually getting killed, you know,
laying out dead, and uh, send a lot of things

(43:40):
that I've I've seen that was as another thing part
of me that made me want to change as well.
And my mother actually did this and I didn't realize.
And people say that, remember your mom. This is because
my my mother worked at the watch Heel Foundation and
she was a neighborhood health agent where they took food
to you know, people and stuff in the projects and
even everywhere. And then she used to, Uh that's how

(44:03):
we met Tookie and Jamale and them. Because my mom
started trying to stop this stuff way back so that
it was at our house, you know, Tookie, Jamaal and
Icky number one like it was, you know, they all
were you know, uh at some point in time all
came to our house. You know a couple of times. Uh,
you know, my mom and Bob Simmons at the Big
Red House, they were they were close, you know. Uh.

(44:24):
So my mom did a lot of the work and
I didn't even trip and tell somebody was like you
you know, uh, you did a lot of work. You know.
I just I always have to give God all the
honor and the glory for just being so good to me, because,
like you said, feeling like you were supposed to lose
your life at a certain time, I've seen it. I've
I've experienced it, and I'm like, it's it's it's I

(44:45):
mean when I look back on and I think about
my life, I sit down and something. At a lot
of times to the day, I'm always thinking God, I'm
always talking to him because I mean, there's so many
people have left here and I was like, oh, I
remember when that happened to me, and I'm for this.
And you know, even with my sister, my sister she
started getting real crazy like you know, my brother, you know, Um,

(45:08):
I mean just I do sometimes I I do. I
always talk to him or whatever, you know, because he's
been really good to me. And I feel like these
babies need to live, you know, they need to know
that there's a another part of life and killing each
other and how do you just you know, you they
say that, you know we did at the homeboys did it,
But y'all don't actually know what transpired during that time.

(45:31):
All you know, it's what you might be hearing from
somebody that was watching in the window that didn't know
that couldn't gang bang, you know. Again, like I said,
the window washers are now the shot callers. You know,
they never banged a day in their life, you know.
I just you know, I always urged anybody to come
back and try to help help these kids because it
takes a village, and I'm just one part of the village,

(45:52):
you know, come back and help these babies live. You know.
I talk to some of these kids and have a
friend that as mental health and he comes in when
I have the kids and and they just start opening
up to him, you know. And met a little young
lady the first time I met are like I wanted
to snatch her. But but then when she starts sitting
down telling me, girl a smart, straight a student, but

(46:14):
her problem was at home. You know. So a lot
of these babies are going through stuff and and a
lot of them are being judged, and then they get angry.
They're mad, you know, they're mad. They some of them
are just mad. Some of them just out here following suit.
But a lot of them are mad. You know, they're mad.
Whatever they're mad for, they're mad, you know, and they
need somebody to talk to them. And they don't want

(46:35):
to hear from the site that read a book. You know.
As a lot of the people come to me that
looked me up and say I'm a gang expert, I say, well,
we'll make your gang expert, you know, not a dropping roll,
because that's what our kids did. This right, so hard.
You know, what's your experience because no book on this
earth can tell you about that's right, man. That's so yeah.

(46:57):
My post when I said that, somebody said you know
a lot about the culture, and I said it ain't.
I said, no, mat matter of fact, that's literally what
I said on my post. I said, it's not about
knowing about that's somebody who read and I lived it.
It's a difference when you get to sit down with

(47:22):
a big home. It's just a lot that I just
want to tell I'm not gonna take all of your time,
but I want to say that that I definitely want
to reach out to you on mental health for the
homies because that's exactly how that is set up, and
it is designed so that people can have access to
appear and a professional. And that's a project that I'm
doing because the mental health that we need, you know,

(47:44):
just to deal with the trauma, even myself, you know,
telling that story, what it's like to be traumatized, our
salty young you know, how do you deal with that?
How do you how do you try? How do you
make that into something positive? Your eyes have seen a lot,
and that's why people don't know that you and I
are looking at each other, and I wanted to look
into your eyes just because I understand that your eyes

(48:04):
have literally seen a lot, and how you know, how
do we manage that and how do you take that
into you know, making that something good. Especially with women,
they need to know that it is somebody out there
like you, because they just they just don't see it. Um,
it's just not available to them. You are a legend
in Compton, California, all over not just Compton, over California, period,

(48:24):
all over this country. But there's still a lot of
people that don't know about you, and I want to
do my part. So before we get out of here,
tell us just a little bit about your organization of
programs that you do. How people can you know, connect
the website, you know, don't they get involved if there's
a I know you talked about some annual events that
you do every year, but tell us a little bit
about that, because we want to make sure that that
we get that plug in. So for our annual events,

(48:47):
anything pertaining to the kids, what Christmas give a toy
giveaway during Christmas time, we do the actually I'm getting
ready from my Eastern basket giveaway. We do uh backpack giveaways,
and sometimes just do an event like set up a carnival, uh,
you know, for a carnival for the kids to come through.
But anything that's pertaining to the youth, I'm right there.

(49:08):
Clothes giveaway, uniforms, shoe giveaway, any anything for the kids. Uh.
Every year, you know, every year I do that. We
do Turkey giveaways. We do a free food giveaway every Saturday.
We were doing Bible study. The pastor he moved to
another church, so either we'll get another pastor we can
go over there where he adds. We do mentor and tutoring.

(49:31):
We was doing after school until COVID came a lot
of things that we were doing every day or daily.
You know. Uh, COVID stopped us any anything that we
can do for the youth. We do backpacks for the homeless.
Anything we can do to help somebody, that's what we do. Well,
I'm gonna do my part to keep pushing the line
in politics politics until something happens. I want to thank

(49:53):
you for coming by, you know, to allow me an
opportunity to pay homage to you. And I want to
say this. It's a couple of things you said as
we close. This is really important that I poured this
into your soul. And you said, you know, I thought
I was going to be a cook. And I want
you to know you are a cook. What a cook
does and what a chef does is take a little
bit of this and a little bit of that and
they turn nothing into something. And you have been able

(50:16):
to do that not just in competent California, but in
America and all over. You've been able to touch hearts
that have been broken, You've been able to touch people
that have been forgotten about. You truly are the goat.
And when I say go it is not just thrown around,
you know, lightly, when we say the greatest of all times,

(50:37):
because that's something that people love, throwing around lightly. But
you are the goat because you're about the shepherd's business.
And because you're a woman of God, you understand that
when it's all over, we will have to atone for
what we've done. And it said the Bible says that
when you are called, because we all are, it's just
a matter of time. It's not a matter of if,

(50:59):
it's a matter of in. And when you have to
be before the throne, he said he will separate the
goat from the shepherds, and the shepherds will be the
ones who were about the shepherd's work, and he will
ask when you did of these things? You did them
unto me. So the fact that you reach back to
the homeless, the fact that you reach back, you know,

(51:20):
to those in prison, the fact that you give people,
you know, other options those are the things that he said.
When you did these things, you were done unto me,
the least of these. So I want you to know, SI,
so that your work is incredibly important. And I know
you hear it all the time, but I just wanted
to get it on the record that I, you know,
said it to you, because there's a certain responsibility that
we have on this microphone to make sure that not

(51:43):
only you know, are we telling stories, but that we're
also making making it known, you know, of the importance
and paying homage. That's really important to me, not just
because as Women's History Month, but I try to live
that history every day. You know, living history is so important.
We have the talk about who's out here doing right
now to give them the flowers, you know, while they're living.

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So I just want you to know that since that
you are a cook, you are a chelf short or
to cook, whatever you wanna call, because that's the only
way that you can that somebody can get bloods and
cribs him and you, I mean enemies to come together
for the good of those that love the Lord, which
is the least of things. So I want you to
know that so that you can understand that God still

(52:26):
had a plan for you when you was making those
tacos and he was putting the cheat and they was
coming over on the other side of town and coming
to get it. They're coming to get that word from you.
Now you feel you know, you're you're literally feeling the
soul and and anybody can need physically, but who's feeding
the soul? And so that's what you're doing. So he
did make you a cook. You just didn't know that
you'll be cooking like this. You didn't know that this

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would be your journey. And so that's why we have
to give him all praise, like you said, all through this,
all praise and people who don't like it on my show,
oh where a log off, because that's what it is.
When when you've made it through, you only know it
got to be the most high. I can't be nothing
thing else about the month. And if you don't know that,
then you haven't been through enough. So that's the bottom line.
So you can certainly, uh, you know, I certainly agree

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with you on that. So thank you so much, sister.
I appreciate it. For those that don't know, we've had
a lot of technical dement My producer is going to
edit it all out. But I want to put this
on the record too, that there's been a lot of
technical difficulties throughout this interview, and that is because Principalities
is aware, always aware, you know, of of the good
that we're trying to do, and so we have to

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continue to keep pushing the line. If the technology fails,
we loll back in. If they tell us no, you know,
in the streets, we we keep on going. If if
a child says I don't want to hear from you,
you keep on going. You keep loving, you keep praying,
you keep hugging, you keep reaching out and setting some
folks straight. That's necessary to you know. Every now and
then I gotta, you know, sometimes you gotta get this

(53:50):
stuff like and do what we call a discipline. So
I just want you to know that, uh, and know
that everything you're doing is in purpose and reason. And
just thank you for allowing me to talk to you
and and look in your eyes. And again, anything I
can do to elevate your story, please always send me.
You know, you can DM me at any time if
there's an event that you know I can help promote.

(54:12):
I'm only one person I gonna do so much. But
I do want to do my part. And we use
that a lot as excuse people say I'm just one person,
I can't do it, but we don't even see them
doing their part. So I want to do my I
want to do my part, you know, whatever that is,
to continue to to elevate your story and to make
these men recognize your story to because they're gonna start,
they're gonna go start putting some of these home girls
at it to stop acting like they were doing this

(54:34):
by themselves because you wasn't so right. So I thank you.
I thank you so much, and I know, you know,
it just means a lot to me. I'm kind of
I'm at a loss for words. You know, it's different
when you grow up in a paru hood. It's different
when you sit down like with an original poor you
know what I mean. It's different because because they was

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just saying it. But it's different when you when you
have a chance to really talk about you know what
it meant, you know, for for you then and what
you're making it now. And that's my prayer. I hope
that you know, all bloods and crips can realize the
same organizing strength that they had then to to to
push a line that we can bring that to politics.
That same g coolde could apply to politics, and that's

(55:15):
what I want to do. I know the nonprofits are important,
but we need the politics too because it's the politics
and the politicians that decide if your organization to be
funded and if they can cut a check and who
can bring money. So we have to do I'm certainly
doing my part to get folks. Hey, let's start running
some folks for mayor. You want to run for mayor,
let's start running. Maybe you need to run for mayor Compton.
You know, well, I'm done with this just sitting back.

(55:36):
You know, it's time to start putting some gees in place,
because once you put some geese in place, I promise
you all this ship we see will be cleared up
a sac and because it's gonna be straight gates the moves.
So please let me know if you ever want to
run for mayor, let's let's get it going city council something,
because you deserve to have a state and decide, you

(55:57):
know how things move in your city. You've earned it
the same way you said you feel that you owe
the city that can be applied to in politics because
you owe the city. But guess what the city, oh YouTube,
And and so by doing that, let's put you know,
position people in leadership positions. And if it's not you,
and if it's somebody, you know, let's get them going.
Let's get them train, let's get them going. You have

(56:17):
nothing literally to lose. I'll tell people, even if you
lose the race, you still have you still can bring
a thousand people to the polls to say, listen, I
got a thousand riders with me. That's just the same
thing as just having a gang or set. And because
you are able to organize people like that, they will
listen to you, they will take your demands a little bit,
you know, more serious. I tell the Harmies all the
time in Inglewood, every blood you know should have a

(56:39):
contract at the new Inglewood Stadium for the simple fact
that it's building Inglewood. If we organized the same way
that the streets is organized, O G B g's y
gs and you gotta set that's moving forward. If we
did that same thing in politics, I guarantee we'll take
it to a whole another level. And that's what my
mission is. I'm trying to get, you know, as much
people that that know that have lived that life, at

(57:00):
least for me. I'm not asking people to be, you know,
experts and politics. I'm just asking that we started seeing
things a little bit different. So because having a city
council person that that got love for you, because they
know where you come from, They're gonna make sure you
know that your organization is funded. They're gonna make sure
that you have the resources to continue to stay open.
And we can't do that until we start getting people

(57:20):
to run on these local levels. So you let me
know when you're ready to run for mayor so we
can go here and say Cynthia for mayor, because I
know we can get at least two three thousand folks
that don't take a lot and don't take a lot
to win these races. I'll tell you when you start
looking at these seats, it's like ten I was talking
m c A. Butter, I said, let's look at Compton.
Let's see. When I was talking to Still, I said,
when you really talk, you only talking about like people

(57:40):
to go to the post because everybody don't vote. So
I know the homies got the type of influence to
shift things. So you let me know when you're ready
to run, sugar, because that might be your next. That
might be your next Cynthia for mayor thank you so much?
Like that sound all right? I really enjoyed myself. I
mean it was an honor and a pleasure. And anytime

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you need me to come on, you gotta keep on
elevating you, all right, ch'all, thank you so much for
listening to a straight Shot No Chaser. Women's history month
living legend Cynthia none living. We want to give her
flowers right now. We don't want to wait on history
to pass us before we pay homed, especially to the
home girls from the West. Until we meet again, y'all.

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