Inside the Mind of Trump's Advisor Pastor Darrell Scott

Pastor Darrell Scott, CEO of the National Diversity Coalition for Trump and Member of the original Trump Transition Team is not just a Trump supporter on Twitter. Scott has held key high-profile positions during the 2016 election, during the initial transition to the White House, and today as the CEO of the National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Scott joins Tezlyn for this exclusive first-time interview examining different points of view concerning President Trump and his relationship with the African-American community. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It goes like this game, Mrs to seal a prayer

(00:03):
from me. Y'all the school you don't want, you don't want,
heaving me feel to ask you a question. Let's just
keep a real straight shot with no Jason, I'm gonna
get a little bit roughly, roughly, you aren't to win

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a such not. I'm here for those who really believed
in the American process, all of us. You feel straight,
No chasing with your girl testing figure out on the
black effect, podcasting that word, this interview that I'm about

(00:46):
to do, it's not for everybody. I am telling you now,
and this is real talk. Family, do not inbox me,
message me at me on Twitter. I'm giving you the disclaimer. Now,
do not ask me why did you give my platform?
You helpn't um you're cooning for the coon. I'm telling
you now. I am on my Barbara Walters. If you
don't do it to Barbara Walters, don't do it to me.

(01:07):
Although I am an activist, meaning I get active, I'm
also a bona fide political analysts. And what that said
is I always want to analyze all different perspectives. I
always want the opportunity to hear other sides and I
think in fairness it is important that we hear other
black voices, even those that you do not agree with.

(01:29):
Straight shot, no chaser. It's not just about my views
and my commentary. Folks know where I stand. This is
about really trying to understand others. And you don't have
to agree, and I don't. I'm not a believer in U.
Let's agree to disagree. Sometimes will never agree even to disagree.
But I think the most important thing that we do
is at least understand where people are and understand their positions.

(01:51):
With that said, my next guest today that I will
be introducing here in a moment, we are clearly on
two different sides of the aisle. I met him in Cleveland,
Ohio when I was working on the Bernie Sanders campaign.
We were actually at a media event and we had
an opportunity to chop it up. I am interviewing today

(02:12):
the man y'all love the hate, and he I think
sometimes he loved it back. Pastor Darryl Scott, who is
the CEO National Diversity Coalition for Trump, the CEO of
Urban Revitalation Coalition, and was a member of President Trump's
transition team. He is also the author of don't read
all that stuff. Don't read it? Okay, listen, Secretary just

(02:37):
shutting down and say down out here, yea that and
I'm especially with me and you. We don't have to
do all that. Well listen, Portan know you know, and
and in case y'all don't know, by now you just heard.
He also had no problem being real and probably the
most petteous pastor on always looking for he always looking

(03:01):
for the smoke. Sometimes you give it it and sometimes
you give it back. Thank you, Pascal. Let me make
this references for everybody. This is the first time the
Pastor Scott has actually sat down with someone from the
left quote unquote, which technically I'm independent, just for those
who don't know, I don't really consider myself on the left.
But this is really the first time that he's had
an opportunity to have an extended interview with someone like

(03:24):
myself to really talk about himself. And so I thank you,
Pastor Scott one for trusting me to do that, because
that does matter. I know, you don't give a damn.
You can answer any question you know you'll you'll take
it how it comes. But I do want to acknowledge
that I appreciate you at least trusting me to have
this interview. Welcome, but I appreciate you invite me on too. Well,
let's go. What's up. Let's get straight to it. Tell
the people about yourself. Let's start with that. Where are

(03:47):
you from, what's your upbringing? I want people to know
how you all started in the beginning, before you got
into politics. You know what, I'm gonna use this opportunity
to get a shameless plug in on my book Nothing
to Lose the allies in the Struggle for a Better
Black America. In the book, I had to give a
brief background on me. You know, I came up in
the streets Cleveland, OHIOA I will be sixty two years

(04:10):
old this year, and I came up in the sixties
seventies black exploitation time. You know, when our heroes on
in the black community was super Fled to Mac hit Man,
all those kind of guys, and those were our role
models growing up. So I knew what I want to
do when I grew up. I wanted to be a
drug deal I wanted to be a pimp. I wanted
to make money. That's what I wanted to do, and

(04:30):
a number of my friends as well, and I always
questioned the day whether or not Hollywood knows the impact
that had upon black culture back then, because a lot
of my friends wound up dead, burnout, strung out, or
in the penitentiary because of the impact those movies had
upon our life. And that could have been me as well.
I got caught with a pistol in school when I

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was sixteen years old, wound up going to the Army
because I had that case hanging over my head. They
told us, if you got a case over your head,
don't try to go to the army to get out
of But I went and I didn't. They didn't find
out about it. We came back. We used to have
a nightclub downtown in Cleveland, and we were enter that
into that dope game, heavy, very heavy, into the dope game.
When Free Baser came around, the folks started cooking cocaine

(05:13):
in the late seventies and early eighties. I learned how
to cook early on. One of the guys that was
in Funkadelic taught me because I was in that world
of the R and B singers and the entertainers, and
we were in that world very heavily. I looked back
on it now, and I see the hand of God.
One night I was selling, when I was selling PCP,

(05:34):
spraying weed down and I was smoking cocaine. So here
I am, and I'm smoking the pipe. I'm cooking up
cold and smoking. But at the time I spraad someone
weed down with some PCP because I'm about to get
out on the streets on the Friday night. It was
about six thirty in the evening and I ran out
of rum. Now, back in those days, they didn't have

(05:54):
the long cigarette lighters like they have now. You had
to have a cold anger with a cotton ball dipping
into one five wrong in order to keep the torch lit.
And I ran out of rock. So it's about six
thirty on the Friday, and back then the state store
stopped selling alcohol at six o'clock in the evening, So
I told my wife run around the corner so that
after iur was joined we called in the green door.

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Run around to the green door and get me a
pint of one five one rump, so I keep smoking.
She left out the door about six thirty in the
evening and didn't come back till one o'clock in the morning.
And when she came back. I'm like, what the heck
is going on? What the hell you bet? She said,
I went to church tonight, I got saved. You gotta
get out. She gave her life to Lord, came home,

(06:35):
told me I had to leave because we were sleeping together.
She wouldn't sleep with me for about five weeks or
so to Finally one night I just copped up. I
just real I was about to get out in the
streets and do what I do. And she was begging
me to go to church that night. It was a
Friday night, and I was like, man, I'm not going
to no dog on church. And she kept on and
the tear came out of eye and it broke me.

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I said, I'll tell you what. I'm gonna go this
one time. Then I asked me no more. And I
went to her church with her down in the hood
on a Friday night, and the pastor got the preaching
and he had alter call. He said, if you want
to have Jesus in your life, stand up, and I
was like, I ain't standing up. And I stood up.
He said, walk down to this altar. I'm not walking
down the altar. I walked down to the altar. I
prayed the Center's prayer, gave my life to the Lord.

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Told the pastor, I said, uh, I got drugs at home.
He said, man, go home and get rid of them
and come on back Sunday. I went home. I gathered
up all my stuff. Now all my money is tied
up here. I just we up. That night. I went
to the toilet. Then I was like, wait a minute,
I'm just gonna finish selling this that I ain't gonna
do it no more. And my wife was right there.
She said, now you gotta do it. I flushed everything

(07:38):
I had down the toilet. I never used drugs again
another day in my life. I never had another drop
of liquor. You're talking about a guy. By the time
I was fifteen years old, I drank my liking and
you've never drinking three lifetimes. I never had another cigarette,
never took another drop of liquor, never used drugs again.
And it's been almost thirty nine years, and I walked
away from the life. Church became my life. Now. You know,

(07:59):
people in our community don't just always walk away so easily.
So that was very different for you. Explained to me
how that impacted you as a black conservative. Now obviously
conservative values. Whether people like this or not, a lot
of it comes from our our church, you know, upbringing.
And I tell people all the time, you know, I
have conservative values just like I have some liberal ideas.

(08:23):
There's a big difference conservative values. Was with my grandmother
every weekend I switched. One weekend, I will go over
my aunts and she would take me and she would
you know, That's how I have my cousins. That was
in the hood and selling dope and doing all that.
And then the next weekend my grandmother, who is a conservative.
She thinks she's a Democrat, but she's not. She's a conservative.
Those were the values, like you said, go to church,

(08:46):
Sunday school, regular service, three o'clock service, BTV, you know,
Wednesday night press service, very conservative. And how she spent
her money self employed. You know, she ran her own
beauty shop. She only she has only worked for herself.
My grandfather has only worked for himself. And so those
are the concerna whant I say value, Sit on what
she says. Now, sit on your own bottom, don't ask

(09:07):
for anything, go get it on your own pay with you.
Oh you know, those those types of things tell me
about you being a Black Conservative. But I want you
to also we've in you're calling on because everybody didn't
just walk away from the streets like that. I wish
they did. You know that they could just take Hey,
you know I was able to change. Why do you feel?
I guess you have a calling to get people to

(09:30):
change their lives as far as you know from the
church standpoint. But also we've in your black Conservative. It
made it easy for me to walk away because I
had somebody walking away with me, my wife, and so
we could lean on each other for strength. And what
I did at the time I moved. I moved across
town and I told I told people that knew me,
the people that I knew, let them know where I
moved to. I said, look, don't tell now mother new

(09:51):
girls where I'm at. Don't. I don't want nobody knowing
where I'm at because I knew I wouldn't have been
strong enough to go around them and remain a Christian. Now,
my wife was different. She came a Christian to start
witness into everybody, and everybody told I wasn't like that.
I knew if I went back in that environment that
I would be sucked back in. I wasn't strong enough
like that. So I had in order to to insulate myself.

(10:14):
I had to isolate myself, and it was the self
protection mode. I knew if I went back down on
that block, I'll be back out there again. And so
I avoided the block at all cause I had to
get a real job. You know, you're talking about it.
I've been out in the streets, you know, most of
my life. I had to get a real job. And
so I was able to discipline myself to the sense
that whenever I would feel that cool to go out

(10:37):
in the streets, you know, I would read or whatever
I always like to read. Anyway. You know, there's a
script in the Bible says evil communications corrupt good matters.
And so as a result, I changed my circle of
associations and I gathered strength from the people that I
was around. Now, in my mind, if you are a
Christian and you are a product of the Christian culture,

(10:58):
you would auto manically gravitate to Conservatism simply because in
more closely reflects the values and the principles and the
precepts that we that we interpret from the Bible. Conservatism
as a man made institution for lack of a better word,
and so it's gonna be imperfect. It has a number
of imperfections. So you try to look at what more

(11:21):
closely reflects your belief system, and conservatism, more so than liberalism,
more closely reflects mine. So that's what I gravitated to. However, politically,
test I was always the type that voted the person
over the party. I liked Bill Clinton. I voted for
Bill Clinton. A friend of mine was in Bill Clinton's administration,
the guy that I grew up with, and I liked Clinton.

(11:42):
I like this persona. I like the swag. I met
him before. I thought he was a brilliant guy. I
voted Clinton, but I turned around and voted Bush. And
I like the Busher swag and I like Bushes persona.
I like this swagon doociousness. Now, I really never cared
for Obama because Game recognized Game and you. Obama came
to my church before, and I had interaction with him

(12:03):
back in two thousand and six when he was still
Senator Obama. And he's not a people person. He's not
what the what the Black American public, at least this
was my opinion, what the Black American public thinks he
is or was and I was never really enamored with him.
You know, he's an elitist, he's not a people person.
But I voted for him the first time I went

(12:24):
to the r n C about two years ago, two
or three years ago, I went to the r n
C to the headquarters, and I had to talk with
the people on the top floor. You know, I get
in the room, I don't put a neck tie on.
I get in the room, I read. The way I'm
talking to you now is the way I'm talking the
Oval office, and everybody that knows me knows that ain't know.
I don't get up there started tap dancing, it's selling
out or anything like that. And the one thing I

(12:45):
told him, I said, regardless of what side of the
political spectrum i'm on with, with others of my of
my same ethnicity, I said, our blackness still connects us.
And that's the thing about Obama. If I closed my
eyes and listened to McCain and listened to Obama, McCain
would have been my choice. But I didn't vote with
my eyes because when I opened my eyes and I

(13:07):
looked at Obama, I had to go with the black man.
And so that's what I did. Now two thousand and twelve,
I sat that one out. I didn't vote for him
or around me because you know, I just I just
was never enamored with Obama. Obama thinks he's the smartest
guy in the room. He thinks he's slick. I'm being honest.
That's my opinion. When you say Trump thinks he's the
smartest guy in the room, wouldn't you say that he's

(13:27):
slick when you say game recognized game? What's your thought
on that? No, because I see the differences. I know Trump.
I've been knowing him almost ten years now. I know
how he takes counsel, I know how he um listens
to others. But what it is, he's very media conscious,
and it was conscious. You know. There are things that

(13:49):
I've said to him in private about decisions that he's made.
He even twists that he's put out, and I've talked
to him about it, and he said, you know what,
You're right, I won't tweet like that again, but if
I take it down, it will cause more of an
uproar than when I put it up in the first place.
And so being media conscious and social media conscious like that,

(14:12):
when I thought about I said, yeah, you're right, but
if we leave it alone, it will die. And so
see the fact that I know him and i've known him,
it makes it easier for me to say that. But
he doesn't think he's the most He's the smartest guy
in the room. I'm gonna be honest. A lot of
times when he gets in the room, especially with preachers,
he adopts the position of the lesser, and he looks
at the preachers as the greater. He says, all the time,

(14:33):
you guys are the ones that shall dictate to the
more conscious of America, not me. I'll give you another
case in point. I was on Air Force one one time.
We were on our way to Atlanta, and it was
right when Elijah Cummings died. And so the President comes
in with his prepared speech. Should I say something about
Elijah Commings in my speech? And everybody in the room

(14:54):
me and Kareem were only two black dudes on the play,
everybody else in the plane, his wife, He says, should
I say something body log Commings, And all the way
from like, yes, I think you staying to say that.
So I said, man, wait a minute, let me see
what you're gonna say. I took your speech out of
the time. I said, somebody give me a pair. They
handed me a sharpie and I stopped blocking out. No out,
don't say this, this, this, this, and that, because it's

(15:16):
not gonna come across genuine. I said, pay your respects,
but don't try to go into a eulogy because it
ain't gonna come across because you and this guy have
been batid. He thought about it. He said, you know what,
You're right, because how can I set up in battle
with this guy and then try to act like he
was my best man after he's dead. I said, it
won't be real. I said, you pay your respects and
leave it at that. Otherwise it's gonna look like you're patty.

(15:37):
He said, well, I'm gonna listen to my pastor on
this one, and he overruled all the white folks in
the room and he listened to me on it. But
the thing is, that's only one of a number of occasions,
you know, to be quite honest. On the night that
he accepted his Republican nomination, I was on my way
to the White House. I landed the dullest and was
in the back of Manuber and I got a phone
call and it was the president. I'm sending in the uber, myself,

(15:59):
my wife Kareem Way in the uber ride and he
ran the speech by me before he gave it them,
and he said, you think it's anything I need to add,
or you think it's anything I need to take away.
So that's the kind of guy he is. He doesn't
surround himself with sicker pants and suck ups. You understands,
you're talking about a guy that's a CEO. This used
to being a boss, that used to being a last word.

(16:20):
This is somebody who's used to surrounding himself with project
managers and with the number of people that contribute to
the development that he is engaging here so he can
build this project, right. He's a project oriented guy, and
he tends to compartmentalize people. You know, if you're a developer,
I've got to deal with the drywall man. Now, I've
got to deal with the electricians, okay, sending in the

(16:41):
plumbers okay, Now we have to deal with the inspectors.
So this is the way he thinks. He thinks like
a developer, and he surrounds himself with people in whatever
area he's dealing with at that time, and he listens
to them. He's probably one of the best listeners I've
ever met in my life. He's a much better listener
than me, and he would filter the information and then

(17:02):
they'll ultimately make the decision. And to me, he runs
the country the way he developed real estate. That's what
I see. I was trying not to make this about Trump,
but I guess we're just gonna go to every case time. Yeah,
we got to do a couple of things on what
you said. You said he listens to you, so I
want to talk about that. I also want to talk
about the media, right or wrong and indifferent. I have

(17:22):
to push back on and ask you this. They said,
he doesn't listen. He doesn't listen to the scientists, He
is not paying attention to advisors. Several people have left
the Trump administration and they have came out. I don't
know if there's been a president least in my lifetime,
but I'm young that have had more tell all books
about how he doesn't listen. So is he just listening
to you? Passed Scott just because y'all have a good relationship,

(17:43):
Because clearly he also seems to be the type of person.
I don't know him personally that when it comes down
to it, he makes his own decision. And from what
we see, it looks as if there's no counsel, that
there's no wisdom, that he's doing things on his own.
But we don't see what you see. Why is that
two parts of that xtion? One is he just listening
to you or not any other council because we don't

(18:03):
see from our viauty he's listening to anybody. And then too,
why is he not taking either your council or better
council or something with issues of matters of race on
what comes out of his mouth. But he listens to
a lot of people. He surrounds himself constantly with people,
and once again contrary to popular opinion, he ain't surrounding
himself for those suck ups. But ultimately he's going to

(18:25):
be responsible for the decision that he makes. You know,
I was talking to a guy the other day about
the deal and I said, man, I gotta bring my
board in and talk to my church board about it.
And he said, no, man, word on the street is
that they do what you say. Well, that word on
the street is not true. I have a board of
directors at my church that I'm accountable to that we
get in the background. Now. It reminds me one time

(18:47):
when somebody asked me about my wife, and I said,
they said, do you do you too ever argue and
I said, hell not in front of y'all. We don't.
And you know I don't see all of this this
level of ent. Just asked to whether Obama listened to
anybody or not. Obama said he changed this stands on
same sex marriage based upon what his two daughters said

(19:07):
at the breakfast table. Can you imagine Trump saying he
bearing hands and gay friends and because this twelve year
old son has some gay friends, he's changing his stad
stand to a gay marriage. Come on, now, Obama gotta
pass the Trump doesn't get. And we want to hold
Trump to a level of accountability that we don't even
hold Joe Biden too. I would say that much. He
listens to a lot of people, but ultimately he realizes

(19:29):
he's gonna be responsible for it. I give you a
funny story. I told about it in my book. One
time he and I were writing in the car and
I told him, I say, man, you know you can't
say black anymore? He said, well, why not? Y'all? Say white.
I said, now it's African American. Now you can he
say black? He said, you stay white? I say black,
what's wrong you can't saying okay. The very next night,

(19:51):
he goes up that rally and looks out there and said,
there's my African American over there. But you and you
do realize the phone. I called him on the phone
as a man who said it the wrong way. Now
when he said it like that. If you know him,
and I do, he uses that word my as a
term of endemnment. And I'm not saying that to cover

(20:11):
for him. I ain't got the cover for him. He's
his own guy. Whenever he sees me, says my pastor
whenever he sees Kelly and Conway, Mike Kelly, if he
will see Hoole picks my hope. I've seen you said
about Corey Lewandowski. There's my Corey right there. If you
know him, you know he says that as a term
of endemment. But black folks don't look for any reason

(20:32):
to not like him, because we know innately we do
like him. Trump epitomizes the hip hop culture, the hip
hop culture that we glamorize. He epitomizes it. The swag
shooting from the hip talking Smack ain't taking no ship.
That's Donald Trump right there, And that's the that's the
the hip hop R and B culture that we idolize

(20:54):
and emulates so much. And when when a black person
does it, oh, he keeping it real. When a black
person does it, Trump doesn't always said that Trump is
should night and he does a pit of myiz hip
hop what hip hop is because he won't pounder but butt.
But I also will say, if somebody's telling and you
notice pastor when you say my see you, you're given

(21:17):
from perspective you knowing him. We don't know him. So
when you say my African American, that's just like I said, Hey,
that's my nigga, that's my dude. That's whatever. You're not
speaking just to you and I, you're speaking to a
body of people that find that offensive. And so when
he doubled down, which that's find double down, I don't
have I tell people I'd rather know my enemy straight
up rather than a wolf and she's closed. I don't

(21:39):
have a problem with it. But I've been around games
since my whole life. This political space and the majority
of folks. They have not lived that life past the
Scott so they find that offensive. So if they're saying
this is offensive, damn it. And you just keep doing
it over and over and over. He knows that media.
He debunked white supremacy fifty times one video, and they

(22:01):
don't care if he goes back and just they won't
accept the apology. They don't want the apology they wanted.
They want to keep that right there. That's what they want.
On to the base stage. Now you come on, Chris
wall like I know, like a bactest. When Chris Waders
were willing to are you willing to debunk white supremacy?
What did he say? He sees that's your name, he

(22:22):
said no, he said sure. He said sure twice he
did and then the third goal around. But he also
said organization do you want me to Joe Biden said
Proud Boys, And because he heard Joe Biden said he Boys,
he said, well, okay, prob But the thing is this,
the Proud Boys is not a white supremacist organization. The
Proud Boys is a right wing organization. He was trying

(22:43):
to get him to debunk the right wing base. He
could have named the number of left wing organizations. He
could have said the claim. Joe Biden didn't say that.
Joe Biden said, proud boys, I know that's that's your guy.
I get it. I understand Game. Recognized game too, and
Truck got game too. He put game like any other. Well,
you're gonna have to call him a politician he put games.
We're gonna say he against the gangsters, got Game two.

(23:04):
He understands the media. He knew that we were looking for.
I disavowed white supremacy. And it's not to say well
I did it. Well, Well, let me Chris, when you
disabout white supremacist organizations, watch the video. Which one do
you want me to this about? But at the same time,

(23:25):
we wanted to hear the seventies something million people that
were watching on that big main stage. I disabowed white
supremacist organizations all In two thousand and sixteen, Chris Wallace
asked him that very same question on that very same stage,
and he said, I disabout white supremacy, and now you're
coming back, yea ye, get me. Would have got your
questions and I want you to answer because why didn't

(23:49):
we ask Kamala hands is Joe Biden is still a
racist and the central presador like she accused him of
being just months ago in the Democratic primaries. Why didn't
we ask her that? Should looked at that man and
said you ours, and you're a sexual predator. And then
she turned around and sold out. That's a sell out
right there, you sold out for vice presidency. Spot. Now
I'm a sudden he ain't the racist no more, the

(24:11):
sexual president no more? Why didn't we ask her that? Again?
They could ask a question of Trump and he steal
a sexual predator. So I don't have no problemacity either one.
You know, I don't give a damn bad he's one
of them. But I hear your case. But I also
know that when he said pull up now we're from
the streets. Let's just have a real conversation. When you
say stand back and stand by, what does that mean?

(24:31):
Stand by me? If neven he's sitting now, He literally
said stand by because somebody has to deal with the left. Now,
what do you know about? What do you know about? What?
Deal with me? Deal with me? Handle business? Indeed, And
when when you say the left, let me get my
point and I'm gonna hear your point out, we can
we already got a table that we we disagree on

(24:52):
how he handled that question. That's fine. Now let's get
to the stand back and stand by part. When you
say stand by because somebody got a deal with the left,
deal with means handle business. When you say the left,
whether we agree or not, we're talking about I heard
black people. Now we can disagree, but we know that
of those voting who vote, I'm not talking about ideology.

(25:15):
We're not talking about even those who don't vote, because
I believe there's a lot of black conservative people who
are have conservative values that we're just never lining up
with Trump. When I say deal with the left, and
you know that of Democrats voting Democrats are black folks.
And you say deal with, what the hell are you
trying to say? You're trying to say you're gonna pull up.
So my answer to that is, what come on with it? Then,

(25:36):
proud boy? And I don't want to hear this ship about,
but you know it's minorities who are a proud boy.
That don't mean ship to me. Pastor Scott. When you
say deal with, stand by, stand back and stand by,
what is it that he's saying. Are you saying you're
gonna pull up. Okay, we'll pull up. Then you want
to pull up on the homies, let's go. That's what
I heard. Your response to that. What I heard was
not a white supremacist organization. Let's get that out of

(25:58):
the way. It's not a white The leader of the
prowd Boys is black. They're not a white supremacist organization.
Number one, Number two, the question if we look at
the question in context, the context of the question was
the rioting and the looting and the destruction and the
vandalism in American streets. And what Chris Wallace was saying

(26:20):
was will you tell the white supremacist organizations that are
doing this to not do it? That was what the
context of the question was when they said prowd Boys,
proble Boys is not a white supremacist organization. Once again,
the leaders black, what's it that don't mean anything? That
still pass because black folks black, they don't mean nothing.
Just like what you said, not a white supremacist organacy.

(26:41):
You do realize that black folks can help out white
supremacist but they're not a white supremacist organization. And as
a result, but let me ask you know what what
it was, prowd Boys stand back. Don't allow these folks
to tear our cities down, to burn our cities down,
to terrify and vandalize the rude, elude, right and community.
But do you think it's just the left that's doing that? Yes,

(27:03):
And that's where I disagree. I don't think that's what
I think. I think it's uh. And I think they
stopped doing it when it stopped being politically and expedient
for them to do it. Yeah. And I think I
think the right putting in some game. No. Two. I
think if the right put the game, and then the
right would have been rioting outside of water Hospital when Trump. No,
no, no no, no, you had only the thousands of people
out there, and you didn't have one incident about because

(27:24):
it wasn't Why would we be violent, be buying about
what him having coronavirus? No? No, what I can say
it was if Trump is the architect of hate and violence,
You got this crowd out there, why didn't they start
tearing stuff up, whether they stopped beating on cars that
were driving down the street, why didn't they disrupt the
tempt to community? You got all these Trumps, So it
wasn't it wasn't opposed to be this mob and it

(27:46):
was a peaceful event. Well, we've had peaceful events to
what a lot of these kids, We've had peace in
the day time, and well, that's not what that's not
the came out we went was as soon as that
sun came down, what was gonna happen and get violent?
You know, one of those protests that were peace for
my day and when it got dark and stay peaceful,

(28:07):
they all went home. That's not true. They were waiting
on the darkness. And if I was out in the streets,
I would have been waiting only to back in my
day on that darkness. Well, I just want to say,
that's not true. That's a lot of folks that was
peaceful by day and violent. And I know a lot
of folks that were peace of our day and peace
of our night. When we talk about until freedom that
was out there in Kentucky, they weren't violent by night. Now,

(28:28):
I don't want to generalize the same way I don't
generalize all black conservatives. I don't think it's fair to
generalize all protesters. Well, when I say, oh, I'm saying
a lot, they're just the word all is the figure
of speech. No others A Synecticut. And that's when you
substitute apart for a whole. That's just like me saying,
oh he said that, and everybody was laughing. Well, you know,
everybody might not have been laughing. It just means that

(28:51):
a large majority of the people that were there in
the daytime violent. But then just say that past because
words matter. So when you say all, it means all you.
We can't have this. Yeah, all me and all. When
we say majority, what to me do We're just gonna
agree to disagree majority, And we're not even gottagree to disagree.

(29:13):
We're just gonna says the Bible says all to day.
I went out and got baptized by John the Baptist.
We know every single person you day and didn't get
baptist by John the Baptist. Everybody understands that figure of
speech because sometimes all simply means a large majority. But no,
but we're not doing figure speech. We're doing just like.
That's why when you said the black community gets upset

(29:36):
about Trump, you don't know what everybody in the black
but did you also wait a minute, but did you
also hear me say that I know there's a lot
of black folks that are black conservatives. Did you also
hear me say I know it's not all black people.
Did you also wait a minute, let me finish, Let
me finish. Also said, we know that the majority of
black Democrat voters based upon the facts, I said, but

(29:57):
there are a lot of black conservatives who don't vote,
who have the ideology. So I was very clear and
careful with my words. So we have to just understand.
We don't have to agree, but we have to understand
that words do matter, especially when you have a big microphone,
words like my African American words like being able to
say country, ship, holes, whatever it is that he says.
We cannot say, let me just finish the scot i'

(30:18):
gonna let give you back the mic. We cannot say
that all protesters were violent because I was a protester
and I was not violent. And so when you say
that type of rhetoric, it does matter because it is
putting everybody in the box. But you just put everybody
on the left in the box. When you talked about
the prow boys, you said he was talking about every
single person on the left. You made that same they said,

(30:41):
he said, he said no, no, he said, somebody has
to deal with the left. He put the left in
the group. What go back like you told me go back,
look at because he said somebody has it. Yeah, he
said somebody. He said, stand back and stand by because
somebody has to deal with the left. He put him
all in a in a in a box. And I'm
on the left. So if you say you're gonna deal

(31:03):
with me, what why? I got some homes that's ready
to deal with sup folks too. One thing you gotta
understand about Trump, and I see it vast improvement. You're
talking about a guy and I used myself as an
example because it's a transition I had to make it.

(31:24):
You're talking about a guy who went to sleep a
private citizen and woke up a public servant. And there's
a vast difference as a private citizen. Donald Trump over
the years was used to shooting from the hips, saying
whatever he wanted to say without having to be pretty
much concerned about the outcome. The transition from a private

(31:46):
citizen to a public servant. It occurs quicker externally than
when it does internally. When I stopped pastor in my church,
I've been passed it with twenty six years now. If
I could go back, I would say it was a
whole lot of things I did and said when I
began that I wouldn't do and say now. But even
though I was physically a pastor, mentally I still thought
like a member. How didn't you understand what I'm saying?

(32:09):
The transition from pastor from from member of the church
the pastor of the church. The internal transition was slower
than the external. You think I had to learn to
be more judicious with my words. I had to learn
the impact of my statements, and I had to learn
not to be as opinionated in public as I used

(32:30):
to be. And I think that's something that he's learned.
He doesn't shoot from the hip as much now as
he did three years ago. Really, fastest guy, he's not
as bad now as he was three years ago. You
see some growth, but a lot of folks don't. But
you're saying, you see, do you what you think a
lot of people won't acknowledge it? What do you think
there's wrong for him to continue to grow? Of course,

(32:51):
of course, because you know I was thirty five years
old when I stopped pastoring my church. When he was
seventy years old when he became president. You're not gonna
undo him in the years in three years. But you know,
there's often times you can say, if you don't believe
in the person for the words that they speak, then
you believe in them for the works that they've done.
And to be honest, we got in the black community,

(33:12):
he's under promised and over delivered. And for this guy
to for them to make these white supremacists and racist
accusations against the guy, this has done so many things
that Obama could have done but didn't do. I think
that the evidence is more in favor of him being
pro black than to me, the more pro black than
than Obama was. If Obama was so pro black, his

(33:33):
daughters don't Why don't his daughters go to HBCUs. His
daughters go to the whitest institution in America, which is
the one he went to. Her His doughters, don't you
have black boyfriends? He gets some white boys in the
parking lot of the white school. And you want to
talk this racist Black America trap and a lot don't
think bullcrap? Yeah, well, I don't think he's a charge daughters.
Bring a black dude on. Let him bring a real

(33:55):
black dude home and see what they will see what
their parents say. Well, I'm not gonna speak cover go.
I don't know nothing about who they date. Knew you
know the pictures out there, you can pull it up.
That's okay. So what what guess what's so what I'm saying, Well,
guess when I'm so racist? Why don't you go to age? Well,
first of all because as well, First of all, it's
more black men than we had that conversation later, it's

(34:16):
more black men today outside of day racing black women.
So let's just get that straight. You know when we
when we talk about whatever circle she's in society, to
be honest, I'm gonna be honest. You wanna know why?
You want to know why? Because black women have higher
interracial standards than black men do. You ain't gonna see
no black woman going with no white stumble but a

(34:41):
black woman taking care of no white dude. You see
the black woman and the white boy out here and
he ain't working and in driving that car, You're not
gonna see. Well if any woman, if a black woman
goes with a white guy, believe me, he's a professional
and he's making a lot of bag and he's taking
good care and he's got her up on the pedant,
that's why. And black women are more discerning and discretionary. Yeah,

(35:03):
well about in everyone called I don't deal with Cornball's period.
White are black, So I don't know that about what
Obama girl but lawyer. But I will say though, if
there's some black folks, do give black people passage, just
like you said you gave Obama pass in the beginning.
And it's just some things that black people can do
their white folks can't do, bottom line. And if it's
offensive and that's something that he just has to grow with.

(35:24):
That's just the bottom line. You know, if if you
if you know it's offending the community, and you keep
doing it over and over and over repeatedly, change if
you don't want to change it. I don't really give
a damn honest past Scott, just say say what say
what your position is. I don't have to have offens
as a matter of perception, though, test what you give
and what people get is often two different things. Just
for this disclaimer, I don't give a ship. Would nobody

(35:45):
say because I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't
wear my heart on my sleeve. You know what I mean.
I'd rather you deal with you how you are. You've
made it known, this is your position. I'm gonna deal
with you how you are. I will say. I think
his position has made known through criminal justice reform, through
prison with warm through opportunity zones, through his story, levels
of funding for hbc US. So you used to have
to go up there every year big for a grant,

(36:07):
and he said, well, you guys gotta come up there
every year a getting two and a half billion dollars
over ten years. I believe his position is known by
Desnigt nating mine knew the King Junior's birthplace of childhood
home as a national landmark, which Obama because it done,
but didn't do. But partnering the first black heavyweight champion posthumously,
Jack Johnson, which Obama could have done it didn't do
by endeavoring to do proactive measures and then asked what

(36:30):
did the how did the people think this platinum plan?
You're talking about five hundred billion dollars in access to
capital over the next four years. You know what, Black
people got their pammies in a bunch about him. Are
going to do that speech on June teeh but they
didn't know that. We knew he was gonna use that
speech and declare June teeh a national holiday that day,
but everybody got so piste off about him doing something
on June teeth, so he didn't do it. But part

(36:52):
of the Platinum Plan doesn't include designating June teeth as
a national holiday. So he's his His actions towards black
people speak a lot louder than his words towards black
pick You still know that words do matter. It matters
how you conduct yourself, It matters what you say. You
know that folks are emotionally driven. That a lot of people.
Why doesn't Why doesn't with Joe Biden say matter? What

(37:14):
it do? Matter for me? It matters, and it matters
for a whole lot of black folks. You know I
dragged you know, but just we're just clear. You know
I dragged them all. Trump, Biden, Sanders, you know, every
last one. Ask you a question, Well, let's who said
worst things regarding blacks? Trump A Biden. I can't tell
you that when we come Well no, well, hold on,

(37:39):
because Joe Biden, Jake said on the day the reason
he was able to survive in the face because black
and black women was on the ship and I don't
gotta said that. Joe Biden said, if you don't bone
with him, you aren't black. Trump had a said that.
Joe Biden said Latinos have a more expanding world, musing blacks.
If Trump Hada said that, Joe Biden said, you didn't
want his kids growing up in the racial jungle with blacks.
If Joe I'm better said that. Joe Biden said that

(38:02):
we were predator as we need to be behinds and
taking off the streets of society, saying that stuff. We've
be having a baby. Now I agree with that. Oh no,
I agree, I totally agree. I'm just saying, so, no,
I agree with that, and so I agree. How if
we're calling statements that are offensive to the black community,
Biden is leading the race to the one, okay, and

(38:23):
I agree with everything you said. You see how easy
that was for me. All I'm asking, can you just
say that Trump has also made some error in that field.
I'm just saying, be fair about it. I've challenged Joe
Biden on all of those things, not just what he said,
but his policies. You see me do it, and I've
taken hits from the left for doing so. I understand
the criminal justice reform is not important to everybody. You know.

(38:45):
I also am a business woman. I understand business. I
understand all of that. But one of the things that
keep seeing in the political space is because what the
crime bill did to my generation the same way you
talked about your generation and grow with the crime bill,
because I was dating guys in the streets. That's all
I ever dated all through high school. Literally, I was saying,
we don't talk about how God put his head on you.
I was thinking about the other day and I was like, literally,

(39:06):
since the seventh grade updated a game bang of crypt
seventh cript seventh, ninth grade, it was a cript tenth, eleven,
and twelfth. It was a blood but not guys that
I was going to school with, not the football player.
I was a cheerleader, but not the football player that
was in the nineties era when all of the things
that you talk about affecting my community. So I have
challenged Joe Biden. I have said not only the things

(39:29):
that he has said, but the things that he has done.
All I'm saying is it's not fair to just say,
as if Trump it can't always be what about what
he did. I'm saying Trump has also also, as you
don't supported the First Step Act, publicly supported the First
Step Act. So I just think in fairness, it is
still okay to say that Trump has offended people, and

(39:51):
there are some things that he can do to grow
in that area. But he can't just say, well, I
gave hbc use money and I did this, and I
did that. It is a level of rigans that says
that I cannot learn and I cannot get better. And
all I'm saying is recognized that people are offended by that.
We don't have to you don't have to agree with,
but people are offending. Oftentimes offenses a matter of perception

(40:12):
and not a matter of reality. And it's very subjective.
I'll give an example when he when when we talked
about the Charlottesville and they say, he said, they're fine
people on both sides. The media always cuts the tape
right there, but if they let a roll, he would say,
and I'm not talking about the KKK, Well, the white
supremacists that are there, I condemned there. They leave that

(40:33):
part out and and and as a result, our people
are perishing for lack of knowledge. Now I'll give you
another example. Two Fridears ago, he unveiled the Platinum Plan
right five hundred billion dollars in access to capital over
four years for the black community, the number of other
three million jobs, five hundred thousand new black businesses, five

(40:54):
hundred billion dollars. It's half a trillion dollars allocated exclusive
for the black community. Seeing it didn't cover it, the
Planet the speech. MSNBC didn't cover the speech. And so
now I'm talking to a black pastor and I'm telling
him about it because they put in their provisions for
black churches to be able to get federal resources. He said,
why don't I know anything about this? I said, because

(41:16):
where are you getting your information from? Well, I wh
saying that they didn't cover it. Why to keep you
in the dark, Why to keep the ignorant, Why to
keep you under control? Why to keep you voting the
way they went to the boat. That's why the media
doesn't want Trump to have any positive interaction with the
black community, not the left wing media, anything he does.
They're stalling because they stalled the police reform bill because

(41:39):
they didn't want it to be a home run for Trump.
They're stalling the stimulus package. Do you know what the
stimulus package that that Trump said when it contained the
Nati pelosis trying to put in it contains the provisional
sin stimulus checks to every single illegal alien. Trump ain't
doing that. They send an no twelve monther dollars know,
illegal immigrants, illegal aliens. They wanted to be a mass

(41:59):
re least from prison of everybody, including violent felons from incarceration.
That's including the Nati Pelosis plan. Ballot harvesting is including
a national Nasty Pelosis fan and take away the federal man.
They that you have the I D for vote too
in order the boat. All of that was including the
Nazi Pilosis plan. They knew he wasn't gonna sign off
on that when they put it before him. But they're

(42:21):
not gonna The media is not going to report that part.
They'll just say Trump doesn't want to get a people.
There are twelve on the dollar, you know what tasks
Watch this. Here's the part that upset me about the
media in we were not giving the black community, or
women or Latinos. We were not giving one intellectual reason
to not vote for Donald Trump. Wo were giving emotional

(42:44):
reasons don't vote for Trump. He hates black people. He
hates black people. He's a racist, don't vote for him.
He's a misogynist, he's a sexist woman, so don't vote
for him. He hates Latinos, don't vote for him. They
gave us all emotional reasons, the white man intellectual reasons,
the economy, the foreign trade, domestic policy, international stuff. White

(43:07):
men were giving intellectual reasons, but they played us for suckers.
They gave black people, women and Latino's emotional They played
all nine emotions. And that's why black people will say,
I can look at his policy, I can look at
what he's done, and I will admit that he's done
a good job. But he hate black people. So I
came both. But he But it wasn't just the meeting
they gave it. He helped give it to him because

(43:28):
he won't shut his damn mouth though past the Scotty
said that coming out the gate, Well, but when he
came down the escalator, they said that from Dave White, Well,
well he came down to escalator. He had a long
history of issues that people have. When we look at it,
let me just be like what I heard, I heard
your part out when we talk about the House of discrimination,
when we talk about the exonorate what they called and
have the exonerated five central part. He's done plenty prior

(43:50):
to that. When he came down the escalator, they gave
people the reasons, so we have to be there. Then
then if he did that, then why was he icon
in the hip hop because of him? Come on, well,
I can I can answer that all the black people
want to be around and be like what I can answer.
I can answer you that because of hippo community. Like
you said, they embody wealth, they embody what getting the
bag chasing the paper. There's also let me hold on,

(44:15):
let me let me answer your question. Let me answer
your question. This is great and I ain't gonnah to
do well that. Let me finish. Hold on, let me finish.
Let me just get an answer, because I'll let you
get it out. Nobody was pulling those receipts when he
was doing that. It was about the paper. Now there's

(44:36):
also the argument out there. I am a true gangster,
rapper lover period. I understand that gatester rap is misogynists.
I understand that a lot of the information is harmful
to our community. I understand that the messages are not
net positive all the time. I get all of that,
and I still listen to it. So when you look
at why they embody Trump, it embodied wealth, it embodied control,

(44:57):
it embodied being the big dog on the block. So
I'm I confused why they weren't looking at that from
that perspective. Just like the things that Snoop is doing now,
whether people agree with him or not, he's not the
Snoop that he was back when he was saying bitches
ain't shipped with holes and tricks alogize right, and again
we go back to we talked about black people getting
the past. At the end of the day, I know

(45:18):
Trump say I don't. If they don't have if they
don't have to do it, I don't have to do it. No,
there is still a thing that black people will give
other people a pass based on being black. That's why
you're sitting here, pass Scott, because I feel like each
one of my shows, I'm having conservatives, Democrats, independence simply
because I feel that black people, if nothing else, Let's
say we just completed disagree on ideology because you're a

(45:40):
black man who lived through lived experiences that I have
not you old enough to be my daddy. If you
say this is what I believe and how I believe
you've earned that right. This is my opinion. Now I'm
very different because a lot of folks are just not objective.
I have a friend of mine, he's like a dad
to me, maybe even know but kid, he probably would
be my grandfather's age seventy something years old, you know.

(46:03):
And he is a pure conservative, absolute conservative. And I
told him, don if you actually lived through segregation and
discrimination and you don't feel that the Conservative Party is racist,
and you don't feel whether people call him a coon
or not, whether they call him a sample or not,
he has the right to feel that way because he
lived through the experiences that I just referred to. Let

(46:24):
me say that again, he lived through the experiences that
I just referred to. So I believe that because just
because you're are you are a black man, whether they
call you coon, step and fetch whatever, that you have
an opportunity, you get an opportunity to explain yourself in
this space simply because you're black. There is a such
theme as white folks can't say what black folks say,

(46:45):
particularly if you are a whether a millionaire, billionaire. I
don't know. I don't keep it with a text or
like that because I don't give a damn. It's not
in my account, and then I'm not spending it's not
my business. There is such thing of saying that there's
some things that we can do that white people just
simply can't do. Whether that's fair or not, that's not
the point. Whether that's fair or not. We have to

(47:06):
still acknowledge that past the sky, that there's some things
that he just cannot do and say, well, I'm doing
it because Obama did it. You're not one about that.
Same told me. The reason that it irritates me about
black people with this perceived sensitivity is because we say
stuff that if somebody else said that, they'd be racist.
And we all said we talked about white folks like

(47:26):
a dog. You know what that white folks is. Let
of white folks make me sick, and I'm sicking in
white folks, man, and white people get on my nerve.
We say it all the time. And we see now
the Obama said it, shall said every bolth percent every
black person in America talks like that, and you know why,
and so we reserved. So we reserved the right to
be racist, because if anybody else outside of our race
talked about us like that, we have a problem. Now

(47:48):
let me go back to one thing, and this is
what I told the Black Lives Matter girl when she
talked about Trump and his and his daddy realigning back
when was that the seventies or something they didn't want
the black people to run. I told us that I
know black people right now. They won't rent the black people.
I know black people right now say man, I ain't
writing my nigga, I ain't let no niggas coming there.
I know black people right now. They won't rent the

(48:09):
Section eight people, and they won't do it because they're black.
We do that. We you know what happens. We've practice
probably more intra racial racism than any other culture. We're
we're racist against one another and we we said all time,
and I'm sick of niggas food nigga niggas makes me say,
that's what we do. So this stake sensitivity that we

(48:30):
act like we have collectively, there's some blood craft. To me.
We're harder than that. We're tougher than that. We said. Now,
now watch this. They talked about the Central Park Fine,
and you know what I always say, whenever anybody brings
it that up to me, name one of them without
going to Google. You can't because you don't care about
it like that. You just want to use it as

(48:50):
an issue against him. But what people don't realize he
was a private citizen when he said that. All in
New York was on this corner. And when he said that,
and he said that after they plaid guilty. These are
guys that plad guilty. And he comes out and says,
since they played guilty, they should get the death penalty.
He was not to judge the jury, the prosecutor, a
jury finding guilty, they confessed to their guilt. Then he

(49:13):
says they should have they should get to death. But you, okay,
but you do understand. But you but you do understand,
working on criminal justice form and coming from the street,
just because somebody plead guilty don't mean they't necessarily guilty.
You do understand that right now, Just don't understand I
understand that. So let me so let me know. Let
me say one more thing. And then I stopped my promise.
I was talking to some rich white folks in Cleveland,

(49:34):
and I told him, I said, man, we were there,
and you know we were we were have one of
the most exclusive country clubs and time talking to some
guys as big in there, and I'm talking to them
like I'm talking to you not. And so we asked them,
We say, man, why y'all always gravitate towards them all
buttoned up, stiff, stiff, square job time Republican black people.

(49:54):
And you know what the white guy said, And I
never thought of it that way, he said, Man, those
are the ones that we can late to. They they
they say, now that we see you kind of guys
around us, we love you guys, but we're not used
to this. This that we can't we we couldn't relate
to it. They didn't know any other kind, to be honest,
And let me tell you the stairs. And I'm gonna

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be honest. I don't took who I thought with some
real niggas off to the White House and they get
up there and turned into times and cools and suck ups.
I don't know what I don't Hey, I don't already
to know. Hold you the name all the folks that
called me on the phone right now, that woman go
up there behind the scenes. But they scared a brand.
But I like Trump. I'm gonna be down with Trump.
I just don't want nobody to know. And I've taken

(50:35):
some up there. Yeah no, no, I don't. And afterwards
i'd say them, I say, man, you got it there
and act like a cool man. You got it in
front of him and you start tap dancing. Yeah, tell
him nothing. They pay Oh no, I know, hey, and
let me let me. They played sense of tividal No already,
hey man, I already know how they do, already know
how they say so. But let's get back to this.

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You said white folks don't understand, okay, because they don't relieve,
they don't like, they don't know, they don't know when
we say, I'm not talking about relate from a personal standpoint.
I'm talking my coronical justice form. Because I want to
go back to the central part five. Come in when
I said, we know that people take the police. There
is a high percentage of black pols. I'm not even
talking about minorities. They have to take the police due
to lack of resources, due to not having access, due

(51:18):
to just ignorance and not even understanding the law, which
was a result of the central part five. You made
the comments saying, well, life also know that they see
that he played guilty and they assume guilty, which I
agree with. So notice I am agreeing with that statement.
I want to connect it to what you said earlier.
Though he didn't know he is in he's coming from

(51:38):
Trump Plaza, from the penthouse, coming down saying, hey, they
said that they were guilty, so they must be guilty.
I'll give you that point. Same thing, fast forward. Now,
a lot of this he does not know. So as
he's being educated to say, you can't just save my
African Americans when you had the speech and you went
through and said you can't say this, and you can't

(51:58):
say that, all I'm saying is maybe he was ignorant
to this, no doubt about it. The man has been
in in a successful bubble with white folks his whole life.
So once someone tells you that, no, it actually is
people that take a plea, you know, who did not
do the crime. Yes, this is offensive to a certain community,

(52:19):
at some point he has to decide is he going
to grow? Because you said there's room for him to grow.
So at some point I just want to know is
he going to grow? Do we want him to grow,
or do we want to say, hey, it is what
it is, this is how he is. He shoot from
the hip, deal with it is real, Dada da, not
gonna grow. It is what it is. Two tears on
the bucket. Take it to the stage. Which one is it?
Because he can't be both. Either he's gonna keep on

(52:39):
offending communities and saying you get what you get, or
he's going to say, hey, he didn't know, he didn't understand.
It sounds PASTI Scott that you're taking both sides of
the argument, and I just want to be clear for
those who are listening. Should he grow because he doesn't know,
or do we say it is what it is and
just deal with it. Well, once again, growth does a
matter of perception. A person can't grow the way you
wanted to grow, to grow the way they want to

(52:59):
go on. You know, we talked these days about my
truth and his truth and my reality his reality. Listen. Oftentimes,
offense is a matter of perception and a matter of intent.
If there's intent, and Fenn, that's one thing. Let's go back.
Let's talk about some of the issues you brought up.
Let's talk about the ship Old Country comments that he
said he didn't say. I'm gonna take his word for it.
He said he didn't say it. I'm gonna take his

(53:21):
word for it. But you know what's funny. I had
some Nigerians, no Kenyons that I knew, you know what
they said? Man, get me on TV. I want to
say there is a ship old country, and then and
then we're talking about oh yeah, well we know it's
the ship old country. He just shouldn't have said it. Now.
I don't know whether he said it or not. He
said he didn't say it. I'm gonna take him at
his work. But the bottom line, I can tell you

(53:43):
some ship old neighborhoods in Cleveland and they'll get offended
if I say it. Now, I'm not giving him a pass.
The bottom line, did he say it twice? You're here
the first time. Let me tell you something. If Donald
Trump says something and it makes the news, if he
means tracks, if he apologizes for it, it'll make bigger news.

(54:03):
Either way. He can't win in today's America no matter
what he says. He can't win. He damned if he does,
and he damns if he if he doesn't. And that's
just the way it is. You know, they don't talk
about the fact that he was one of the first
ones to comment and say what happened to George Floyd
was bad, and that the very next day he immediately

(54:24):
dispatched the Department of Justice down there. We don't hear
about that. We don't hear about the fact that he
said a mode of what happened a mouth our very
was horrible, and he brought his parents up to the
White House. They don't talk about that. People pick and
choose what they want to harbor and defense about, and
no matter what we what he says, it does otherwise
they don't care. They wanted to be able to pin
that George Floyd on him, but they couldn't. They want

(54:46):
to pen him, mine I bury on him, but they can't.
And the fact that once again he reacted, he said
it was he said George Floyd was tragic. He sent
the Department of Justice down there the very next day.
Nobody talks about it. The fact that he launched the
investigation of the civil rights abuses, which is all the
federal government can do. George Floyd. That's to the mayor

(55:07):
of mayors over the police force. That stuff like that
doesn't police. Now, visas usually doesn't reach to the White House,
but he said it anyway, and he sent the Department
of Justice down there. He said what happened in mid
our Beery shouldn't have happened. He sent the Department of
Justice down there and brought him out our Bery's family
to the White House. We don't not only do we
not talk about it, most black folks don't even know
that that act. So lad damned if he doing, damned

(55:28):
if he don't. I just wanted to acknowledge both of
those that at some point it's either he's he's either
gonna grow or sage. I'm shooting from the head, but
I'm just gonna keep offending everybody. I mean, that's just abottom. Luck.
Let me ask you this, though, if if you just
talked about the protests right, and we talked about violent,
non violent right where they're very fine people on both

(55:50):
sides of the protests, wasn't very fine people, I would
have never said very fine people at all. I mean,
but I'm just saying, wasn't fine people on both sides
of the protest, wasn't good people on both sides? Not
based upon we saw whether it was sure or not
based upon what we saw, what people with tickets, sticks,
and and white supremacists and all left from what we saw,
what was presented. Because it's important when you say perception
that it's all about it's subjective based on what we

(56:11):
saw and what we saw based on what the media played,
whether they played the game or didn't, and show everybody
whatever they did based upon what we saw. No, it
did not look like both and find people on East
side from what we watched. We watched those riots and
America's burning and looting and tearing up stories. What would
would you think the same thing? But I think, what
would you say? These ain't no find people in these

(56:32):
in these riots or stuff? And good people in the riots?
Meaning what you think when we watched the riots and
you turn on television and you see cities burning and
rioting and stores being vandalized and burning all that stuff
we saw that looting and vandalizing, the target stores, getting
towards out and all that, you wouldn't would you look
at that and say it's fine? People on both sides.

(56:52):
They were acting like the people that was doing that
was victim. I said that everybody wasn't a protest. Everybody
wouldn't burning stuff down, So yes, I said everybody, everybody No,
but they and stuff no taking charys and white supremacist.
Come on, now, everybody wasn't doing that. I didn't say no.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, because remember you
said everybody don't mean everybody? So which one is it?

(57:13):
Is that everybody or not everybody? Basically definition No, I'm
going back when you remember you said everybody means no,
it was everybody was not bro I've said it and
begin a conversation. Everybody wouldn't burning stuff down, So yes,
and when you looked and we saw that ranching and

(57:35):
looting and violence and all of that, and any any
person would look at that and say all of those
people are bad because all of them are doing it.
And then could be somebody said, well, now all of
them ain't bad, all of them ain't bad, and all
of them aren't doing it. That's all I'm saying. Well,
and I hear that, but I'm not the president of
the United States, and that is not what was perceived
based on what he said, based on what but but

(57:57):
remember they cut the video because if they did been
going His very next statement was, and I'm not talking
about the white supremacist or the kul klux klass. He
said that. He said, I'm talking about the other people
that were there, simply about the statues. He said it,
and the media cut it and they won't play it.
And anybody can hear it. That kind of ment sentence,

(58:19):
that kind of ment sentence, that's what they did. We
can again, we don't amy about green to disagree. I
just think we have do two different positions on that.
I do have to ask you this, Why what do
you say to people who say you're a comb they
take or in private, whatever answer you want to give him.
I just know I gotta ask that before we get
out of here. I have to be honest. Anybody that

(58:42):
knows me knows better than that. Number One. I had
a guy, a guy to Chicago hood, a real, real
deep hood guy for Chicago. If I said his name,
a lot of people knowing. He said, Man, I've seen
you on TV sitting up there with Trump, and I
can look at your body language and tell you what nokom,
my wife don't have to call me and tell me.
Massa up straight in that chair quick, being so cool,

(59:02):
you know. And so the thing is to be honest,
a lot of this stuff. It's funny to me, you know,
when when I go to social media and I see,
you know, like I wake up off some somebody on there,
you cool ass motherfucker. I can't do another start laugh
at some time. But see, I'm the type I have
some kind of weird personality quirk that that stuff feeds me.

(59:29):
Because I was doing some radio yesterday on I Hear
Radio and the guy called in and said, why do
you always chap your lips on Trump's butt? And I replied,
I learned that from your daddy. So you know, I
resorted to the dozens, which is like the lowest fo
you do, you the most lowest form of black reply.

(59:50):
But the thing is it doesn't bother me. It bothers
my wife, it bothers my kids, and bothers my grandkids.
It doesn't buy than me because I don't suffer from
an identity crisis, and I've never relied upon the opinions
of others to to determine my self respect or my
opinion of myself. I know one thing, A lot of

(01:00:11):
stuff that we've done on behalf of black people is
not won't want wind up in the history books. But
I know this much. If it wasn't for Darryl Scott,
it wouldn't have been the criminal justice reform that was
not on the table. I argue and funk. I had
to stand over top of Lindjay Graham with my finger
in this chest, y'all better put criminal justice reform. And
there y'all got to undo Chat ninety criminal crime bell

(01:00:34):
And they thought to get rid of me, and they said,
when we need policy, And I came back with twenty
seven pages of policy that's included in that bill. I
know what I'm doing. I know the part I played
in the criminal justice reform, the prison reform, and the
opportunity zones, urban revitalization. I know the part we played
in this Platinum Plan. I've been working on it with
him for over a year. We're the ones that said

(01:00:56):
blacks need money. We're the ones that you know we
told them, we said, you keep trying going to give
black people they want to give a school choice, and
you want to give us of this. So that I
said black people want the same thing white people want.
They said, what money? We want money? You want to
help us, give us the money to fix our own
got dog on problems. The thing about black people is

(01:01:17):
we always try, I said, the white people. I said,
let me tell you something. This is what I said
to Jared Kushner and Donald Trump is in the room.
I said, if y'all about me and Kareeman to settle
the dog on Palestinian Israeli issue, the Palestinians would have
had a problem with it, and the Jews would have
a problem with it. And then said, what is these
niggas sitting up in here trying to settle our issues?
I said, the problem with y'all is y'all keep want

(01:01:37):
to put white faces on Black problems, but buying the
opportunity for us. We'll figure out solve our own problems,
but y'all want to keep putting a white face on
Black problems. And we're the only race that looks for
people outside of our race to solve our problems for us.
What is Donald Trump gonna do? What plan does he
got for the black people? If y'all say here racists,

(01:01:57):
why don't want to racist? Give it lots of plan,
come up with the home damn plan and quit bagging
the white man to solve our problem. To tell you something,
the way I'm going right here, just the way I
go on the overlaws, just the way I go up there.
And I'm loud and I'm love, I'm live with it,
and I vuciferous with it. Last week, three weeks ago,
Cream and I win the meeting about this, bringing this

(01:02:19):
platinum plant a head, and we kept on insisting on
access to count of money, money money, and Jack Custner said,
you know what, y'all got a problem. Were interrupting people,
and you know what we reply, Look at that's how
we do. When I told point black, I said to Jared,
cause now I said, let me tell you something. I
didn't come up with the listen, I came up with
the talk. Now, the bottom line, y'all not gonna know

(01:02:39):
more about what we need than we do. And I'm
telling you what we need. You give us this money,
You make this money available with us, and we'll solve
our own got dog on problems. Now. I will say
that as we close, and I will I hope you
come back because I want people to hear this and
I want to hear what their feedback is, and I
would love to have you on the second time. I
will say this to your credit. You do going to
yelling at them folks just like this, because I remember

(01:03:00):
when the first step back and he was like, they're
gonna do this ship. I'm starting knocking on doors. I'm
calling up on the stand McConn TV and I got
in the news spat said Mitch McConnell better get up
off his ass and passed that bill because he's try
not to take it to the floor. I called Mitch
McConnell on the phone. I said, if you don't take
that bill to the floor and come up there, five
months of angry niggas and we're gonna tell that you did.

(01:03:23):
You didn't say that. Called Mitch McConnell and told him that,
and they watched this. Here's the thing. Van Jones called
me on the phone the day before I did that.
I was like, Mitch is not gonna take it to
the floor. Pound Scott, you gotta call him, you gotta
do something. You're the only one that can make him
do that. And then he shut up there and trying
to take credit for it. Let me tell you something.
I watched him set up there and be almost shotting

(01:03:44):
Trump shoes. Didn't even gone see Ann and talk this smack.
But behind the scenes he up there cooling top dancing too.
Oh wow. Okay, we're gonna say it to his face
that we're gonna leave it right there because I want
you to come back and go into that passing Scott,
where can people find you? Get me on at Pastor
de Scott at Pastor de Scott on Twitter. Okay, you
do have a book out and nothing to lose. I

(01:04:06):
would love to have you back, and I have you
back so we can kind of go deeping because we're
gonna pick up right where we left off that you
said Ben Jones is the biggest tap dance and the
biggest cooling in the business. And I want you to
go deep into day you want me. I'm gonna tell
you a funny story real quick to let you go.
The day that the President announced the opportunity zones, we
all went up there the convenient announced from the Roosevelt women.

(01:04:27):
This got us standing back there. Bob Johnson was there.
I remember he was there. Bob Johnson was there. I'm
standing on stage and Dan Johns are standing over there
with us standing you know, behind the party. When the
President is gonna come in and we're all standing there
waiting on the annunz and I looked over man and
I said, hey, man, you better get a bomb just
stage from CNN. See you, You're gonna be in some trouble.
I said it jokingly. People laugh. Two minutes lady, we

(01:04:49):
look around. We look out man Jones standing on the
other side. He went way with us. I was like,
there's a set up. I look at this big right here.
I mean, I couldn't do that over laugh was look
at this. I was just kidding what No, but he
but it was for real because they did tear him up.
They did talk to a real you stand up there anyway. Yeah,
you're a will one. Yeah, seeing them talking about I

(01:05:11):
might still trying to do something for my people. I
don't care who like, I know why I'm up there.
You know that's a sound out to me. That's a
sound off to me. But we're gonna leave it right there.
Thank you so much, Faster Scott for joining me. This
is gonna bell the change. Who is Faster Scott, y'all,
thank you so much for listening. If we could literally
sit here off day long. I want you guys to
give me your feedback. Hit me up on Instagram at

(01:05:32):
tesla and figure out t e Z l y n
F by g A. R Oh. You can go to
my website ww dot Tesla figure dot com because I
really do want your feedback on this particular episode, because
I want to bring past Scott back. One thing. I'll
say that Pastor Scott and he said, Tesla asked anything
you want, every nothing is off limits. We didn't do
any of these questions and advances. Was all unscripted, raw
and real. I hope you did learn something today. You

(01:05:53):
probably learned that you still disagree with him. Maybe you do,
maybe you don't. But at the end of the day,
you did learn who is past there Scott. Let's I
appreciate you, can I give you my platitudes. I appreciate you.
Thank you for allowing me to grate your platform. You
let me be be me and I appreciate it because
you don't take no crap and like I said, tells
our blackness still connects us. All right, Thank you so much. Fast,

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