Another Surprise Call-In Show!

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hi everyone, This is George with a very quick message
to say that if you are listening to this episode
on Tuesday, April first, that means my comedy special taping
in New York is to night. I repeat tonight. The
early show is sold out, but we just added some
last minute ten dollars tickets for the late show. There
are only ten dollars. You can find those at slipperroom
dot com or at the link in my Instagram bio.

(00:43):
This will be the last time I do this hour
until the special comes out, so you have been warned.
And last but not least, there are still some tickets
to Stradio Lab Live at the Bellhouse on April sixteenth.
It's our first New York show in a while, featuring
Sydney Washington, Natalie Rodger Lateman, and Andrea Laung Chew some
Straight or Lab All Stars if you ask me, and
you can find tickets to that on the Bellhouse website

(01:05):
or at the link in our Instagram bio. So come
to my special dating tonight, Come to Stradio Lab Live
aka Lesbian Lab on April sixteenth and enjoy this amazing
call in show. Thank you for your calls. You can
always call us. The three eight five Gay Guys Lavea.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Podcast starts now. Hello all and welcome to Stradio Lab.
We are coming at you bikosally per Huge and it's
just me and George today, just us. What's up.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know, we're doing a call in show, which we
normally do for Patreon, and so in my mind, I'm
ready to spill all the tea. I'm ready to talk
to the Patreoni stays like they are my family. I'm
ready to be like, do you know what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
The other day? Do you know that she was being
so weird to me?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
But I have to remember that, you know, I have
to put up my professional my profile, my professional mask.
I have to take off my gesterre mask that I
work for Patreon, put on my professional mask, my blazer,
my tie, my Brooks Brother's crisp non iron white shirt
that I got it's three for you know, three for
three seventy five, and I have to get into the office.

(02:17):
I'm on the subway. I'm getting off at Penn station.
I'm crossing the street almost getting hit by a taxi
cab Allah opening montage of Delaware's products so I can
get into the studio and report the news.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Quite frankly, when I'm doing a regular episode, I feel
like I'm the President of the United States giving a price,
feel like I'm giving a press conference. Everyone's going to
be picking apart every single word. There's going to be
multiple debates about like what I really meant by certain phrases,
and the pressure is on in a huge way.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Whereas when we're recording Patreon, it is Madonna in the
Truth or Dare documentary simulating a blowjob with a water bottle.
That is what that is what Patreon episodes are. And listen,
if you know, you.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Know, if you know you know, can we talk about
how Madonna's like whole thing is like I'm going to
simulate sex, Like she found out out one time and
she was like, I'm never gonna stop simulating sex. I'm
fucking crazy. I'm Madonna.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm never gonna stop simulating sex. I'm never gonna stop
referencing Catholicism.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, all right, this is an interesting timing episode.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Interesting timing, Sam, How are you feeling.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I'm feeling mixed. So we found out this week that
the show I write for After Midnight on CBS is
being canceled. So it was a weird week, a very
weird week, and it's mostly a bummer. It's hard to
talk about, but it's a big bummer because, like I

(03:48):
do feel like the show, the group of writers was
so fun and like to get a space to actually
do like fun, silly, weird alt comedy and have it
be like through the CBS lens was like kind of crazy.
And I'm like feeling a little bit like damn, is

(04:09):
this ever gonna happen again? I even feel like I
don't know, like the working for head regular Joe Firestone
is the privilege of a lifetime, and it is like
it's a bummer because I'm like, what's yeah, no one
knows what's next. It's it's just a bummer. And like
they're not even like they're just getting rid of the

(04:30):
time slot now, like they're not even going to put
a new show in.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Like, oh they aren't. I didn't know if that was excited.
So does that mean there's going to be like a
rerun of something.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
There's gonna be like infomercials, like what yeah, okay, I'm
logging in and buying a treadmille. It's like fully like
local affiliates and whoa, it's they're just getting rid of
that the twelve thirty slot.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, I just want to say everyone involved in that
show truly did the impossible, which is take a late
night show on network television that is a reboot of
a previous show that was very of its time.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Let's face very of its time.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's very difficult to reboot something like that and make
it relevant. And launched a new show in the midst
of sort of like an uninspiring late night you know, ecosystem,
and did it without like huge big name a list celebrities,
without you know, gimmicks where Sidney Sweeney is lip syncing

(05:36):
to Chapel Roone and really like in a very kind
of like throwback way, and listed real comedians and the
mix of up and comers and big names and actually
like made a funny show that was funny from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it's such a there's just like not outlets for
comedians to do this type of thing.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I was saying before we started recording that this episode,
this conversation is giving me such intense deja vus of
when we recorded our Patreon app after Gawker shut down.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So for anyone.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I can't remember how much of this was talked about
on a main episode versus Patreon, but from like twenty
twenty one to twenty twenty three, I guess I was
an editor at the reboot of Gawker that relaunched under
new ownership, and then it was shut down two years later.
And it's occurring to me think of the parallels the

(06:37):
time frame the reboot, like the time frame exact, same
time frame exacts. It was a reboot of something that
was popular in like the twentyds and early twenty tens.
It was a job that was unlike any other job
that existed in that industry. It's like, there's no other
late night show that does what the sort of like
old comedy thing that After Midnight did, and there's no

(06:59):
other like website that had the like sort of like
funky sensibility that that Cocker did. It's not like either
of us could then be like, Okay, great, so I'll
just I'll just go to this other, you know, similar
place both you know, sort of like women boss head
writers that we became good friends with, like various sort

(07:24):
of like tight knit group of co workers.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, there are a lot of similarities.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Probably similar size staff like it's and especially the timeframe too,
It's like it was basically like between a year and
a half and two years for both of them. Yeah,
industries that are in crisis, to say the least, like
this sort of halfway point between. I mean not not
to invoke the word journalism, but I just mean, like

(07:49):
there's it's it's like funny news commentary.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, it's funny news commentary.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of the type that you know more and more is
being replaced by talk and by influencers and whatever else,
and listen, the world goes on. I'm not saying that
I think we should freeze the state of culture in
twenty thirteen and not allow people to innovate. But it's

(08:16):
just a bygone era.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's a bygone era. And even like it's so I
don't know, like even little stuff like like just like
going to the paramount law is like, well this is
fun kind of totally totally like what do you mean,
I'm not allowed to come here anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Something people don't talk about is how when a job ends,
you stop being a human person in the eyes of
the entity that once gave you that job, Like it's
really interest is your badge stops working, and you no
longer if you actually and if you like, you know,
open the door and go in, you will be arrested.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Like you are no.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Longer seen as a person in the eyes of the
Paramount law.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's so weird to the weird. This is weird because
we know now the show is not coming back, and
yet the show is going till mid June, and so
it's like, what is the vibe going to be? Like
I sort of think.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
That it'll be fun, Like there's gonna be this sort
of you know, we're all it's gonna be over soon anyway,
So why not like take risks?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Why not throw stuff at the wall? That's the hope.
I mean the classic is the Conan like last week
or whatever, when he was just like spent as much
money as he possibly could. There's like something too, to
go in Wild, to go in Buck Wild, And I'm
gonna miss the Paramount Lot. Jim. It's frozen in nineteen

(09:42):
ninety five in a way that you it literally should be.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
A historic So I didn't know you went to the
gym in the Paramount Lot.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh of course, Well well yes, and me and Jason Ridder.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Oh my god, you know I mean, we've talked about
Jason ridd but you know, I once saw him at
a bar and Los Angeles, at where Rachel Pegrim hosts
her show what's that place called?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh covell Well he that man handsome, handsome, handsome, handsome,
handsome and sweet. Now that is a cutie right there,
cutie pie, sweetie pie kind I got it all.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh perfect, sorry body, boyish face, boyish face, gorgeous, smart,
talented wife. Yes, beautiful marriage is able to sort of
like be publicly romantic in a way that isn't cringey.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Man of the people goes to the Paramount Lodge.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Man of the people goes to the Paramount Lodge.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Him when he could go to Equinox. Oh, I just
know his as voted for Bernie Sanders. If you doubted
that for even one second, fool, Yeah, no, I'm addicted
to him. I'm trying to think. Oh yeah. The other
thing about losing the job now is that, like the
one big difference between the where the parallel stop is

(11:01):
that I moved to La for it. That's true, And
I'm sort of like, wait, what, Like I'm like having
to reckon with like do I stay here? Do I leave,
Like what's I'm like so confused.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
People keep texting me art is Sam moving back, and
I'm like, I'm giving him three days And then I'm
asking I very intentionally have not asked you, Like when
you told me that this was happening, I didn't immediately
respond like sorry an act.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
It's really a confusing thing because there's so much of
LA that I feel like, like, one, it was like
a lot of work to get settled here and to
like figure everything out. Yeah, and now I'm like there
is more to glean from this town. But also like
I love New York, but there's it's it's really complicated.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I mean, there's also something about moving to LA. And
by the way, for people who don't listen to the Patron,
a good seventy percent of it is New York versus La.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So buckle in, bitch, bitch, I mean, this whole podcast
is that's what it's about. That's what it's about.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So there is something about moving to LA that feels
like graduating, Like New York is college and La is
your first job totally. And so it's a very common
story that you know, someone in our circle moves to
LA for a job and then the job inevitably ends
and they stay there. Yeah, and so I would understand

(12:25):
if you wanted to stay. It's complicated because I mean,
we'll talk about LA a little bit in a bit,
because there's a question about, you know, the sort of
dreamscape of Los Angeles, California at this particular moment, but
it is in such a weird place. The vibes are

(12:45):
off in such a way that I can imagine it
would be especially uh not enjoyable to be unemployed there,
even if it was for a short amount of time.
Like there's something about being aimless in LA that is
less romantic than being aimless in York.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, I'm like curious to see how that feels. To
be honest, I've because even when we have hiatuses, I'm
like either flying to New York or doing it's like
feels busy. So I'm like, I'm like, I want to
know that that darkness I felt in New York when
I'm like, Okay, it's Tuesday and I haven't had a
job in three months, Like what am I doing today?

(13:23):
That's what I'm I'm I'm like wondering if it feels
more hopeless or more hopeful here but my lease is
still August. I think the end of August, so at
least i'll have Yeah, you'll definitely be there.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm to reflect, well, poor one out if you're listening
to this, even if it's nine am, poor one out
for after midnight. And I just want to say thank
you to CBS for giving all comedians opportunities, even if
it was and even if you couldn't find want to

(14:00):
take over the show out of the various people that
could potentially do it anyway, should we take our first call?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Okay, let's say our first call. Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Hi, George and Sam. I'm calling because I am currently
attending library school in Los Angeles, California, and I have
converted several other members of my cohort into stradio lab listeners.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
And we were wondering, we're all queer women. We were wondering,
we're on the range of gata strait. The different types
of librarian information sciences people lie. So that's public librarians,
academic librarians, archivists, media archivists, because it's kind of different.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Oh, in rare books people.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, Okay, thanks love you guys.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Okay, literally perfect call. So I'm just going to listen
them again. Thank you librarian, academic, librarian, archivist, media archivist,
rare books people.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Damn, this is hard. First of all, I want to say,
it's funny to attend library school. I understand.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
First of all, I love one of my favorite phrases
the information sciences.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Information science is library school. That's very doctor hospital. I
go to library school.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
One of the most iconic things you can do is
go to library school. I'm always so obsessed with people
that have a master's in information science and the idea
that there is a group of queer women all in
library school that listen to Stradio Lab and potentially have
a group chat about it where they're like what they
said is so rare books coded. It fills my heart
with so much joy. And I just want to tell

(15:47):
you on this Friday, March twenty eighth, when we're recording this,
that you are a star.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
You are a star. We appreciate you, and you fill
my mind with wonder. You know what you forget that
people can go to library school and be a group
of queer women in library school. I feel like when
you say that, I feel like I'm like literally reading
Harry Potter like, I'm like, there's magic in the world.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
No, it is.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I'm so, it's literally it actually brings me hope that
there is as I'm doing whatever I'm doing here and
having my protein bar and a seltzer. You know, there
is an alternate universe where there is literally a group
of queer women that are learning so much every day
about information science, about rare books, about media archiving, and

(16:30):
at least at the end of the day we have that.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Damn. I bet their clothing swap goes crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh my god, all right, public librarian, academic librarian, archivist,
media archivist, rare book. Okay, off the bat media archivist
is the gayest one.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Really. No, well, I'm tell me your reasoning. I was
thinking public librarian.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Oh, you're right, Okay, maybe, well, okay, here's the thing though,
lepers in society, public librarian obviously is the most kind
of politically radical, you know if yes, obviously, However, think
about the archetype of a public librarian. It is, you know,
kind of like older lady, long skirt, funky wood based jewelry,

(17:22):
like a little vest that has an apple with a
worm coming out of it, and as much as to
be clear, I would die for her.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
She is straight rather than gay. That's true. If I
were in the library and I were looking for a
gay book, I would I would sort of be like like,
I would almost be like, well, it's for school exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, And I think it's like there's also something about
the public librarian being the archetypal librarian, aka the default,
which makes it inherently in the framework of gay versus
straight that is the norm.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Doesn't mean she's bad. I'm sure she has a amazing
center left politics. Totally damn Okay, I like that. So
she's the straightest.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I almost think she's the straightest. Yeah, I almost think
she's the straightest.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think the librarian scale is hard because it starts
at such a queer place.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I know, I know, And I'm now actually thinking maybe
Rare Books is the most queer. I mean, come on, rare.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, it's pretentious, pretentious. It's also like knowing the B sides.
It's also like putting value in something like you're like
creating a you're creating like wealth within something that shouldn't
have it.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Totally okay, So here's my Okay, here's my right ranking
from GATA Straight rare books, media archivist, academic librarian, archivist
public because I'm like, if there's media archivist, then if
you're an archivist, you're being exclusionary. There is the option
for media archivists, and you're just an archivist.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Are you kidding me? Wait? Okay wait, rare books, rare
books is gayest. Yes, media archivist. Media archivist's next gayist.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Because media archivist is literally you have an Instagram account.
Media archivist is you have an Instagram account dedicated to
like Issimiaki fashion photo shoots from the nineties.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
You're literally showing Julia Roberts and you like, she tore
with this exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Then we have academic librarian because to me, it's like
which is right down the middle, and to me that
is so bisexual and academic librarian you know she's into
Hookoh I'm seeing like the frame glasses, like I'm seeing
the little frames or even like a woman with spiked hair.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, totally. And then I have archivist. Archivist is just
like put away your clothes. Yeah, it's kind of thing
about archivist's.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, it's very like being interested in history in a
really earnest way without wink.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I'm an archivist, and then I.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Think last, and then I think straightest is public librariy,
and just because again that's the archetype of librarian.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think. I think that's so genius. I think you
really nailed that. Thank you. And I don't disagree with
any of them, and I'm glad we had a discussion
because at first I needed some convincing. But you're totally right,
God to be a librarian. I literally like, there's so
many jobs. No, that's team. There's so many jobs where

(20:22):
you're like, damn, like you can really just do that. Okay,
next call.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
And I'm calling back. It's the girl who wants to
talk about sexless LA.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
Sorry, I'll wrap it up.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
I just wanted to you guys to expand on that
if you found it intriguing to do so, on the
sexist nature of LA and one, I just find it interesting.
And two, I literally have not wanted to have sex since.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
The day I got here five years ago. And I
was in a relationship.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
When I got here, so that was a problem. And
now I'm newly single and have no I.

Speaker 8 (21:03):
Am not inspired to go out there and pursue so
uh yeah, looking to jump start and just want to
know what your thoughts are.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Overall, Okay, thanks.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I do just want to say this is the second
part of this caller's call, but the first part is
there's no way around it three minutes long. So I
it and so I just I'm playing this as a
tribute to her, and the main gist of it is
that she wants us to talk a little bit more
about how La is sexless and Sam, you had a

(21:40):
something you wanted to share.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I had something I wanted to share, which I'm not
sure if I said. If I have said this before,
you're allowed to punch me in the face if you
see me. Yeahs.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
If he hasn't been through enough this week, folks.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Lose his job.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Listeners are going to be chasing him trying to punch
him in the face.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I there's a I in trying to like La. I
was reading Joan Didion's The White Album and there's an
essay in it about La that you know was written
in like the seventies, and she's talking about how one
there's all this stuff that feels very relevant where it's
about like the town like it. The industry is failing.

(22:19):
The industry is failing, the industry as we know it
is gone. And it's funny because that's like nineteen seventy
three that she's saying this, that everyone in town is
saying it, so it's just sort of an always that feeling,
always always there. But then she talks about how it's
at its core a gambling town where you're always like
gambling on ideas and trying to get rich quick, and

(22:40):
because like all gambling towns, it is sexless, and it's
like due to its gambling nature that people are not
horny for sex, they're horny for like money and success,
which I thought was cool. It really put it in
perspective for me.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I wonder if the gambling thing also erodes a sense
of trust, almost like there's just a general suspicion that
exists in the air.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I think there's a suspicion. I think there's like a
you're always sort of plotting. You're like, well, when's my
next paycheck? Like, well, how what will this get me
in the long run? In a way that's like you
don't you shouldn't be thinking like that. You should be
thinking about people's beautiful bodies totally.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, you need a baseline of comfort so that you
can wake up and be horny.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, And I even think you would think that you
would that people would be like, well, I'll sleep my
way to the top or something like that, but it's
like doesn't work. People have learned that it's better to
withhold and make people want you than to like give
it up, which is so disgusting I find. For me,

(23:49):
a big part of the sexlessness also is the car,
because you in New York, you walk around, you see people,
and you just inherently are like as a person, You're
like that's hot, that person's hot, or like that person's
serving or that. Like there's like a sexuality of just
seeing people all day, and when you are in a car,

(24:10):
you're like you are literally just like less turned on.
You just like aren't seeing people in the same capacity. Yeah, no,
it's really true.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
There's also okay I'm trying to say this without misspeaking,
but it's like the depictions of sex within like the
idea of the casting couch. Is there anything less erotic
than that? Like you are literally taking imagine the most
kind of like dumpy room you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's like a.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Like a conference room with overhead lighting basically, and then
someone is attempting to infuse sex into that. It's like
there's in New York and an appropriate sexual relationship is
like you're in the boardroom and everyone is in blazers
and both people are powerful and they're just like so

(24:57):
powerful that they have to fuck.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, and they're like, what's this going to do to
the firm? And it's like, who fuck the firm?

Speaker 10 (25:03):
The firm?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, And I feel like, yeah, there is. Sex is
so entwined with like power here that it's not fun
because you're always thinking like is this Because even if
you're not coworkers, you're like, well, I could be, like
I could be co workers with essentially anyone on the
street right now, and so it's like, well, I can't

(25:25):
fuck them because I will effuct my coworker. It's very weird.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, it's also it's interesting the way sex is by
default commodified in Los Angeles and Hollywood inherently deuroticizes it.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's like, oh.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So you're looking at a naked man or woman or
a person that's not sexy. That's a billboard, that's a
movie trailer, that's.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
A movie trailer. You're looking at Chris Pratt. Yeah, and
you're trying to be turned on.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, no, that's not what this is about. This is
about dollar signs.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Malma. I feel, yeah, I can feel it happening to me. Really,
I can feel myself being less horny. Yeah. Yeah, And
in a way that's like I almost have to remind myself, like,
don't forget who you are. You're the guy that sexualizes
everything totally. You're the guy that thinks everything so hot.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's like how that happened to me after I got married,
where I only wanted to have sex with my husband,
and I had to remind myself, you're gay. Get out
there and find other men.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
You stupid. All right, call next.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
Call Hey, George and Sam.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
This is Isle in Brooklyn and I'm calling.

Speaker 9 (26:38):
Someone asked me this question a few months ago, and
I think about it all the time, so I wanted
to see what your take on.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
It was pretty simple question.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
What is the most expensive emotion and what is the cheapest?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
All right? Bye?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Love that past guest.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Isle shout out to Ale, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So we talked briefly about this. First thing that came
to mind is that love is the most expensive, horny
is the cheapest.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, I mean, we both independently came up with love
is the most expensive. It is, you know, potentially obvious answer.
But of course love makes you act in irrational ways.
Love makes you sacrifice things you would not otherwise sacrifice.
Love is not transactional. Love can be unconditional. All these

(27:28):
things are gonna absolutely rob you of your money, dignity,
and integrity on a day to day basis.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
So watch out and I would know. Yeah, I hear. Okay,
Love is the album and Horney is the single.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, here's another expensive emotion. Yeah, I think maybe like
resentment gnaws at you so much. You know what resentment is.
It's like you think it's fast fashion, Like you think
it's an easy thing, but then it's actually full of
microplastics and it's slowly killing you.

Speaker 11 (28:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
In the enviral, I actually really like that. I like
that you're I think you're taking this question in a
different direction than I did, but in a way that
I really enjoy. Like you're thinking literally like the cost
of having this emotion.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, whereas you're thinking love is so I think it's
like rich, unreachable, that it would take so much to
get to love. Yeah, I see it, Yeah, exactly. Whereas
horny is more simple. Yeah, I think that makes sense.
I'm trying to think of other cheap emotions.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I had a cheap one that I go back and
forth on. Okay, yeah, okay, nostalgia. I think you're so
you get like a burst of nostalgia. I think that's
a cheap, cheap emotion. But okay, when it's nostalgia from
smell or taste, I think that's rich. I think that's expensive.

(28:53):
Oh interesting, when you like smell something and you're like whoa,
and you're like taken back, that's that can be kind
of crazy because that's like time travel. But when you're
just like, god, I love the nineties, like let's watch
you know, the Simpsons, then it's a little like okay, stop. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Maybe it's the more personal to you, Yeah, Like, the
more personal to you it is, the more sophisticated it is,
and the more relatable words that are, like never forget
nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It's like, yeah, we know, honey, you wouldn't let me
forget it if I tried.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah I didn't. Yeah, I know one's gonna try. Don't worry,
we remember, we remember.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm you know.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Of course, the to me a big open question here
is where does hate fit into it? And to expand
on that different forms of hate, like you know, sort
of like low level snark or criticism. I mean criticism
is not an emotion, but like you know, sort of
like disgusted. Like, where do those kinds of like toxic

(29:55):
negative emotions fit into it? Because on the one hand,
they are easy to go to as a default. It's
it's you know, you see something you don't like, immediately
you recoil. On the other hand, of course, if you
are filled with hate, that's going to take a toll.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well that's what I thought. Your resentment thing was very smart.
Where I do think hate is similar where it's like
it actually does cost the most, like m hmm, Like
I think hate maybe is even more expensive than love
because it like could ruin you.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Right, and maybe discussed is more cheap because it's just
like eh and then you know you move on.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, okay. You ever see people that get like really
lost in resentment and you're like, yeah, oh god.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, this is something I've been thinking a lot about
because there is I think the thirties are the resentment decade. Well,
I guess what it is is resentment builds in your thirties.
Either it solidifies into you just being a miserable person,
or you battle it and come out of the other
side and you are satisfied and comfortable with who you are.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, and you put that live love poster up and
you say sey lovey exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
And by the way, this has nothing to do with
your level of success, your attractiveness. People can be the
President of the United States and be filled with resentment,
and people can.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Be you know, a random person.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who is you know, does customer service at Sigma, and
they can be full of love.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I loved watching that because I was like, Where's how's
he going to land this? I was like, what what
is the appropriate random person? And you really? You really
nailed that. I think I nailed it.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, So, but I do think yeah, and maybe it's
even like more thirty, you know, thirty five to forty
five or something.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's not exactly thirties, But do you know what I mean,
it's I do. It's a time when you just slightly
only because I don't want to poke holes in your theory.
I mostly like it. And this podcast is about agreeing,
of course, but I'm just from personal experience. I feel
like in I knew people that were so much more
resentful in their twenties, really because maybe because they were
like it was like stand up, and it was like

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everyone had this idea of like trying to make it
before thirty or something, which is a false premise obviously,
and you kind of have to be turn thirty to
realize that. But a lot of people I could feel
like in late twenties people get like clawing and being
so upset and so jealous and so angry, and then

(32:27):
in your thirties it's almost like the last scene in
Mean Girls where all the girls are like, actually we
like each other and we don't really care that much.
So I think it depends either way. Resentment.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's like, you got to move past it. If you're
feeling resentful.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is a wake up call.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Literally, it's not like it's not good, it's not sustainable.
It will not give you anything you are looking for.
You have to move past it.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
You have to move past it, and you can still
be critical. Yeah, oh my god, George and I are
such haters. Oh my god, we hate everything, but we
hate everything with love. That's okay.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
Next high sam on George, It's Heidi. This is actually
my second time calling fun exciting.

Speaker 10 (33:11):
Love it.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
I have two questions. I'll just do the first one
super super quick because I thought it would be fun
and it's more so for George. So my family and
I are going on a super awesome spring break vacation
to greet which I'm so pumped about. And I was like, Oh,
that's fun. It's George's old stumping grounds. So I was like, George,

(33:36):
do you have any you know, recommendations, If you will,
we're going to creat and appen, so pretty touristy but
very exciting.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
So that's the first question. Thanks George, and seconds for
both of you, this is the most important one. So
me and my two long distance bessies love this pod.
We talked about it quite frequently.

Speaker 11 (34:00):
And we just really like when you guys are friends,
and we like when other people are friends, you know,
just like cast members of TV shows.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
You were big into Broadway, so like Broadway cast, just
like we like when other people hang out and we
enjoy it and it's fun. So we wanted to know,
since you guys are not only podcasts coworkers but also friends,
what do you guys like to do together outside of
the pod that feels like different or you know, when

(34:31):
you just hang out, what what do you like to do? Yeah,
keep doing what you're doing. We love the pod and
by me I mean me and my friends.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Okay, anyway, love you.

Speaker 10 (34:42):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Shout out, shout out. That was sweet. That was very sweet.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm gonna do a very very quick round of like
things off the top of my head that I did
in Athens last time I was there.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That might be helpful.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
So Athens is I think I've talked about this before,
but it has been undergoing this like depending on your
point of view, renaissance or gentrification nightmare for the last
like five to six years. There was a moment during
the financial collapse when you know, it was you know,
the prevailing idea was that the city was in crisis

(35:16):
and it needed to and like new businesses weren't opening
and the obviously the economy wasn't going well whatever, and
then it became sort of like berlinified. Like I've told
you about how my grandmother's neighborhood, which was like a
middle class neighborhood she has a one bedroom apartment, has
now become like the Bushwick of Athens, and she leaves
her apartment, and it's literally all like expats, people on

(35:36):
their laptops, like people wearing sort of like head to
toe kind of.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Like club club.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
She's just sort of like okay, like going to the
farmer's market, and so it is. Honestly, people ask me
all the time for Athens recommendations, and I don't know
what to say because it is such a different place
than it was when I lived there, when I was
also like a teenager. So this latest time, I really
tried to get a bunch of recommendations for people because

(36:04):
I wanted to know, like, which of these new businesses
are worth it. The answer is not all of them,
but I did want to shout out that this one
restaurant called Pharaoh, like a like an Egyptian pharaoh.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I went to. It was so good.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
It's just like updated Greek classics. But you got to
make a reservation ahead of time. Sam, when you visit
will go together. I had the absolute time of my life,
great wine lists, really good you know, sort of like
shareable small plates. I was in absolute heaven that entire neighborhood.
He has become very like Williamsburg ified in a way

(36:37):
that is honestly pretty alarming because when I was in
high school, that's literally where the anarchists would hang out
and it would be like, that's all the protests where
that's where a lot of the like sort of like
memorable news stories of protesters clashing with the police happened there.
And now you go and it's literally like a record
store that's run by like a chill guy with the mohawk,

(36:58):
and then the people in it are like Italian tourists.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It's very strange.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Wo.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
So, but that restaurant, I have to say, if you
want to go somewhere that's not a traditional tavarana, which
you should also go to, and it's something a little
more contemporary, I would recommend. Another place I had a
store I went to is this store called It's a
Shirt and they sell shirts and it's this like really
cool gal whose dad worked in the garment industry in Greece.

(37:26):
So then she is like taking sort of like fabrics
that because she, you know, fabrics that her father would
use potentially and making these like super cool like Japanese
cut like cool shirts.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
And they are much cheaper than the equivalent thing would
be if you went to like Hopenhagen or something.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
It's a shirt. It's a shirt. Shout out to it's
a shirt.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
And the final thing I will say is people don't
know this, but one of the best things you can
do in Athens and in Greece in general over the
summer is go to an open air cinema. So they
have these open air cinemas. Imagine like a giant screen
with just like you know, chairs and the little bar
and stuff, and the ones in the center of Athens.

(38:10):
You can literally look at the Parthenon behind the screen
of the movie that you're seeing.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
So you can go and watch.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like they'll do like a Hitchcock retrospective or something, and
you can go watch like a classic movie and then
the Parthenon is right behind that. And oftentimes people people
will go to Greece and people I think would be
in the know about these kinds of things, and they
don't know that that's an option.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
So that is my big recommendation. Beautiful recommendations, George.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Those are my three, Thank you. And the second question
was what do we do as friends?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
We party bitch, bitch, We party bitch. We're out on
the town.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
What I mean, we like, we go to Maxwitter's house, We.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Go we go to people's houses, or we go to
dinner and we get drinks and potentially if George isn't tired,
we go out. That's right.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, And you know what, I you know what I
think in my own life has been a change since
the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I used to do more like weekend friend trips. Oh
yeah for you.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Twenty twenty, I was I was getting like an Airbnb
upstate with four chicas. That was not an like a
something that was out of the ordinary for me.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Really, I didn't start really getting into that lifestyle till
till after pandemic.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Interesting, I don't know what it is now. I think
it's a mix. Obviously, everyone's busier, but also everyone's like
taste level has gone up, and suddenly it's not enough
to just like go to airbnb dot com and click
the first one and just be like, yeah, we'll figure
it out. Everyone suddenly wants to make reservations. Everyone wants
to have like a specific hike planned, which I get,
but it is it makes things more difficult than when

(39:51):
you are, you know, twenty five years old and are
just like excited to be out of the city.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I that was such a scary there's so many moments
in one's life when you realize like there's been grown
growing up and I always always am like the last
one to know. And that was a real one when
people were like, well, no, I want the I want
a nice house. Yeah, like I want a chic house.
And I was like, but we're just like sleeping there

(40:16):
and listening to music and like having drinks, Like why
does it matter?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, but you know that if you if something was
below your standards, you would also speak out.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, my standards were pretty low though, but don't you
think they're higher now? Yeah? I think they're higher now.
They are. I'm learning, but I feel like I'm I'm
like sad that I'm learning total where I'm like, of course,
like there.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Was a freedom of not caring in the threshold to
be satisfied as higher.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
That sucks.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, you wake up every day in the default is
you're like, Okay, someone better impressed me.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Today, even like caring about one's apartment, Like no, as
soon as there was like a moment when it was
like suddenly we care about our apartments and I like fun,
I know, like it happened all of a sudden, and
it used to just be like, no, it's amazing, I
can pay rent, and now it's like, no, you have
to have a place that's nice.

Speaker 11 (41:09):
I know.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
And then you wake up one day and you're like, wait,
so you've been collecting artisanal knickknacks from your travels since
you were twenty two. Yeah, you're not just sort of
going to West Elm.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
It's interesting. It's it's interesting, and I'm like, it's fun.
I think there's a certain level of like competition can
and can be helpful and motivating, but it's also a
little scary. It was the moment was scary when I
was like, oh, fuck, I have to catch up. I know.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
It's interesting to grow up consuming media about the urban,
petite bourgeoisi a. La Woody, Allen, et cetera, and have
it be so foreign and then suddenly, whether you like
it or not, And honestly, no matter your income level,
you're sort of just agento having those values.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
You best start believing in love with deep BOUGEOISI.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
You're in.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Okay, next call.

Speaker 9 (42:04):
Hey, they're calling in for the second time from my
northern New Jersey number.

Speaker 10 (42:07):
Shout out.

Speaker 9 (42:08):
I have a really important question. Do you think that
with Chapel and all of us knowing what her personality
is now, I wanted to see what your thoughts are
and the revisitation of the Lizzo's past of it all,
like is she cool?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Is she not?

Speaker 10 (42:23):
How do we feel?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Thanks? First of all, shout out to northern New Jersey
phone number. I don't know why, but.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Because it's the same. I commented that this caller has
the same area code that my house did in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Oh okay, fun, I want to say thank you for
bringing back Lizo's Pass. I've been thinking about it a lot.
It was recently mentioned on an episode of Keep It,
which I was really excited about by Louis Ertell Yeah. So,
for those who don't know, Lizo's Pass is the moment
when a rising pop star gets so big it has

(42:58):
to decide which way to go. In Litzo's pass, do
you go towards Pitchfork and stay cool forever or do
you go towards Target and make songs for commercials? And
I find I think Chapel is still at Lisso's pass.
I think she is delaying her decision by releasing singles only.
I think we won't know because I think good luck

(43:19):
Babe was very okay, she's gonna be Pitchfork. She's like cool, Yeah,
like this is cool. And then the new one, the
giver is like good, I like it, but I'm like,
but it could go either way, and I'm like a
little bit and it's like, yeah, I think it's cool.
It's like about like, you know, giving an orgasm. That's
like fun, but it's still like I don't know. So

(43:41):
I think the album is really gonna we can't call.
It's too early to call. We need a full album
before we can say.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Do you think going country is a way to delay
Lozzo's pass.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
One hundred percent because you can't both say anything about it?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, country is for the Pitchfork crowd. Country is alternative
in its own way, and then for the target crowd.
Country like it's for the target crowd. Country is like comforting,
but also to be country and alt is scary.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
You basically are having your cake and eating it too.
It's called the Casey bus Graves effect.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm like, I'm very curious because at this point she's
like trying on all these new sounds and styles where
I'm sort of like, okay, what is your sound? In style,
like it's it almost feels like look over here, look
over your look over here, and I'm like, wait, I'm
I'm like, I'm I'm surrounded by smoke. I can't tell
where you are or what your deal is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Do you think Pink was ever at Lozzo's Pass or.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
She just started out Target? I think she started out Target.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
So you think even her early R and B hip
hop phase was just destined for Target.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
It was still on the radio and it was still
in the commercials. Yeah, I mean, one thing that is
I think one thing that's happening to Chapel is that
she's at Lizo's Pass, but the wind is blowing really
hard and it's like snowing, and it's like forcing her
to put like it's trying to make her go towards Target. Really,
because I really believe because every song, I'm like more

(45:19):
passionate about this than I've ever been about anything my
whole life, because she every song is in a commercial now.
And I know it's because the brands are like, she's
cool enough but popular enough that we can look cool
and in on it. But it's every commercial has a
Chapel song. So the wind and the snow. She's going,
I want to go towards Pitchfork, and she's like, but
the snow is too high. I have to go towards Target.

(45:40):
It's so I think the odds are against her, but
I hope that she can survive Lizo's pass. Yeah, she also.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Hasn't been claimed by either party because I think at
this point the Pitchfork, the Pitchfork eistas are skeptical of her,
and certainly the Target Mom's candlebuyers are skeptical of her.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And so she is.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
It's like she's on top of the charts, but while
balancing on a tiny needle, like if one thing goes wrong,
she could be done forever.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And I also think that's why she's doing the singles thing,
to be like like sort of soft change the narrative
and like let people be like, Okay, I'm calm about
her now. Now she can really sny album.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
She was on call her Daddy another way that you
can delay Lizzo's pass.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
What is called her Daddy's like space in the culture
right now, no one knows. I'm so deeply confused and
I'm like trying to figure out. Even watching the clips
of that, I was like am I insane, Like it's
so bizarre. So that's how I feel about it all. Okay,

(46:54):
how do you how do you feel about Chapel at
this stage?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
No, I think you are absolutely right that she's delaying
Lizzo's pass. I have to say, I'm I'm pro Chapel,
like I'm just sort of like it. But it took
me longer than you to get there in the beginning.
I think because the first song of hers I heard,
I played, I press played the album and the first
song was phenomenomenomenon, and honestly, I was like, get this

(47:17):
off my screen.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I was so upset.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
People had been telling me to check out Chapel roone
for so long. I press play that song and I
and I was wrong. I just want to admit I
was wrong, But there was something about it that felt
so rue Paul that then I had to come back
to it a few months later and realize, actually, this
is an incredible album which everyone agrees with. And since then,
I've loved her performances. I think she's fun. I think

(47:41):
she's a fun figure. I like that she's provocative and controversial.
I like that sometimes she's a little embarrassing. She's young.
I like that she's speaking her mind. Everyone is so
you know, poll tested these days that I say go.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Off, I say go off, I say go off.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I'm trying to think of other people who are at
Lizzo's pass right now. I mean, do you think Twiggs
has I do think Twigs chose Pitchfork and and that's
Twigs chose Pitchfork.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I think Sabrina Carpenter is all started. Is target is
target yea, yeah, she's targeted. Tate McCrae is targed at
Lizzo's past, but she's targeted.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
She was never Pitchfork to begin with. Ever, no one,
no Pitchfork person was on her side. Yeah you know
what I noticed? Actually what? And it pains me to
say this because my dream is for Lucy Dacas to
be the special guest at Lesbian Lab.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oh my god, I haven't even told you this.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I don't have a I don't have a contact or anything,
but I I just have this dream that will do
Lesbio Lab. And then at the end she comes out
and performs I Kissed a Girl.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Lucy. If you if you hear this Bellhouse.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
On April sixteen, sixteen, and I just want to let
you know, Lucy, I got and this is a true story.
I got my husband concert tickets to your show for
his birthday.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
He's a huge fan.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
We can't wait to see you at Radio City and
hopefully we'll see you at the Bell House. But what
I wanted to say is that Lucy Dacas and the
Boy Genius girls were definitely at Lizzo's pass. Yeah, and
I think Phoebe Bridges. It's sort of like the jury's out.
But something I noticed today is that Pitchfork herself gave
Lucy Dacas a six point one on her new album.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Which, in a sense is choosing to go Pitchfork totally,
Like there's something about that where it's like, Okay, you're
staying small.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
On the other hand, so Lindsey and Bobby pointed this
out on Hoo Weekly. There was literally a People magazine
exclusive about Lucy Dacas, and I'm like, hold on, a
few years ago, we weren't getting People magazine exclusives about
members of Boy Genius, So Lucy, I think at any point,
and her tour tickets, I gotta say, shout out to
Live Nation. Much more expensive than I thought they would be.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Really, I thought I could.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Potentially add a few more elements to my birthday gift.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So I do think.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
That there's been a breakthrough with with Boy Genius, and
I think they're much more mainstream than we think. That
album did really really well.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
So I think if Lucy are you saying, I'm saying Lucy,
I definitely think she's still at the pass, but I
think she could snap her damn fingers and go target
at any point.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Interesting, interesting because she is relatable in this way. She's
fun on videos, she's very millennial, she's very like, you know,
does a video for Conde Nast Digital and talks about
going to therapy.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
M What do you think about heim? I, oh god,
that is a really good question. I kind of think
it tastefully as tastefully as like very successfully. They've still
chosen Pitchfork.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I agree, they've definitely still chosen Pitchfork, and that's cool.
They're almost they're a twenty four.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Basically, they're a twenty FeH. That's literally what they are.
Fuck Okay, okay, all.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
Right, Hi Sama, George random, but I'm on a big
George Michael kick.

Speaker 10 (51:20):
So that's huge for.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Me right now.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
And I just had to know, for you George as
a gay man of Greek experience, and for you Sam
as a gay man of not Greek experience.

Speaker 10 (51:32):
What does George Michael.

Speaker 11 (51:33):
Mean to you?

Speaker 5 (51:34):
What are your favorite songs? Yeah, anything George Michael related love.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, he means everything to me.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I used to die for George. You go first, I
mean you, he was your post post nuptial song in
a fun way, in an amazing way. I had this.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Idea that I wanted the song when we walked on
the islet, the song was going to be earnest, but
then at the end, when we kissed, the song was
going to be like fun and poppy, and my initial
my initial idea, of course, was Madonna's Ray of Light,
which would be iconic, Which would have been iconic, but
we ended up going with uh with.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
George Michael's Freedom.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Not the most original choice, but it was like so fun,
everyone got into it.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I would say it's pretty original, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
I mean, it's just like I just mean in terms
of his in terms of his uber it's like one
of his.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh top three songs.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
But that and I'll tell you why, And I think
I've maybe even said the story on the podcast. I
was at this big Pride party last summer. It was
all you know, electronic, uh, sort of house music okay,
and no lyrics, no references to any pop music. And

(52:47):
then at some point, at like two am, the beat
breaks into the chorus of Freedom and it was this
like incredible moment where everyone was so it was though,
you know, we had all like taken mushrooms at the
same time or something. It was just like and every
it was almost like the results of an election had

(53:09):
just come in and they were positive. I cannot, you know,
and so I am That really inspired me. I was
just like, this song has a power that is unlike
other pop music.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Of course, it means a lot to me that he's
gang Greek, he's so hot, he's such a sex symbol.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
It it's important to remember that.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
In terms of like our sexual politics and in terms
of queer stuff, we're not moving in a straight line.
Like to me, George Michael was so much more cool
and like fun than so many of the things that
are that are happening now.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
I really I think about the thing all the time
where he was when he was arrested for cruising yeah,
and he was like, not ashamed at all. And he's like,
what is my culture is like the quote he said,
and I was like, that's true. Like I'm actually it's
so funny the way that I like, when I was younger,
I did not understand that, And now I'm like, no,
it should be illegal for guys to get arrested for cruising.

(54:09):
That's literally what we do. That's like, it's a time
honor tradition. That's sort of our thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
If you will, I will say, I as much as
I love George Michael, I really only know the hits.
I'm I'm not a sort of completist. I'm not listening
to album's top to bottom, you know, I like everyone else,
I rediscovered Father Figure because a baby girl. I love
adding some George Michael to a party playlist, But I'm not,

(54:37):
you know, I'm not listening to B sides. Do you
have favorite songs that are sort of out of the
off the beaten path?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Not really, I mean the hits are hits for a reason.
I have listened to, like what is the one with
Father Figure on it? What's it called Faith?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
That was Faith, which also has the famous song Faith,
but it has.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Faith on it. I have that one on vinyl and
I've listened to it a good amount and it's I mean,
there's a lot of like weird shit on there, like
which is a fun thing about listening to an album
like that. But it's like it's fun. But yeah, the
hits are the hits are the hits, like you just
you feel it?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, I mean, he has he has it, he has it.
I was George Michael for Halloween, some may recall. Many
are talking about that. So that's our relationship with George Michael. Yeah, okay,
all right, final call.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Oh and what perfect timing. Such a well timed episode. Meanwhile,
I've never received more texts in my life. Everyone needs
a call now.

Speaker 10 (55:37):
Hi, Simon, George. I'm calling in with an advice question.
I'm going to a straight wedding in a couple of months.
There are going to be very few gay people there,
maybe in the single digits, and it's a pretty conservative
religious wedding and it's going to be in the wedding party.

(55:58):
So my question is, what are the gayest things I
should do without getting myself kicked out of the family?
All right, love y'all thinks bye?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Well, this is a perfect call. Of course. Of course,
I think this is such a you know, time on
or tradition of being the gay guy at a traditional
straight wedding, And it's sort of like traveling to like
a small town where you know, yes, you are literally
not going to see as many gay people, but it's

(56:30):
like with but it's also kind of fun because you
get to like open up any app you want and
see the most random guys on earth. I think I
have no greater pleasure than like being in like, you know,
random parts of Minnesota and opening up the apps because
it's sort of like a time machine. Like you see

(56:51):
people that are like, I'm literally married to a woman,
and you're like that is really amazing. Yeah, that is
so cool, and I'm like, I didn't know we still
had you.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I also am like, take a little take a little
thirst trap with your suit in the bathroom. Unbutton literally
unbutton your fly. Get a little pub in there, get
a little pub in there, take a photo. We're talking
close friends, directly to close friends. Maybe a little a
little comment that's like at a religious wedding.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Lol, some nudes.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
The fire emojis are gonna start coming.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
At you fast.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
There is something about being actually far away from the
people you are courting or making horny or flirting with.
That makes it so much more erotic than actually having
the opportunity to meet them in person.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
This is so true. What a smart thing to say,
because you literally there's no risk. It can just be
flirty without any follow through. That's genius.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Actually, one of the worst things that could happen to
someone is when you think that's what's happening and then
the other person's like, want to come over, and it's like, no,
I know, I am doing something very very specific here,
and if you can't tell, like, that's on you.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
But I am such a I'm such a I'll be
right there type bitch. Oh really, I am like, I'm
like the I'm ordering the car right now. It is.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
It takes a lot to get me out of the
house if I don't think that's what's happening with that night.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Well, no, horniness is a disease. No, it is a disease,
I will say.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
On the other side of things, if I'm out, it's
very easy for someone to convince me to stay out.
Like I had an experience recently where I was like,
I'm leaving and ended up going to three other locations
on a weekday.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Wow, that's awesome, I think. Also, I mean I think
you may be surprised. And I think if there are
any other gay people there, I think it could be
really really fun to flirt and even have something happen,
because it'll feel so secretive, it'll feel so illegal, and
even if they're like not your normal type or whatever,

(58:56):
it's like, this is awesome. There's something evil about it.
And also, here's one.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Of the gayest things you can do at this wedding.
Show up looking absolutely snatched as hell, get a martini,
sit in a corner by yourself, watching everyone kind of
judgmentally drinking the martini. If I like, you are gonna
be the talk of the town. People are gonna be like,
is that Truman Capoti.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Literally and complain about the food.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Oh yeah, definitely complain about the First of all, when
I say order a martini, send it back immediately.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Say I asked for a dry, as.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
For a dry and this glass is not cold. Can
you please chill the glass? This is my number, text
me when it's ready. That, I would say, more so
than hooking up with someone. While of course that also
sounds like a lovely thing to do. I would say
that is the gayest thing you can do at a
really straight religious space.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I have to agree. I have to have to have
to agree. I'm trying to think if there's anything else
that's like, you know, it's it's like if you can
like squeeze in like sort of a half sex story
to like someone's grandma, that could be huge too. Ooh
that's good. Yeah, yeah, Like even like some innuendo, like

(01:00:08):
if you can be like no bottoming, No, that's something
you endo if you can fully be like no bottoming
for me tonight, like Grandma, Like, guess.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
What, no bottoming for me tonight? Because of this dry
ass salmon that was served at this stupid ass wedding.
The hell where is this ship from some landlocked country
that doesn't grow its own salmon?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Kill two birds with one snown you you tell your ornie,
you alienate grandma and you and you insult the food.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
That's what being LGBTQ plus is all about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Oh yeah, no, I think you're gonna And also I
just want to say, you know, there's a temptation when
you're in a straight space to be like, I'm not
gonna care about my parents. I'm just gonna show up
and fit in. Resist that temptation is tempt This is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
When you want to try to look.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
You want to show these people what their lives are missing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, and really really yeah, really you need to serve,
You need to serve. Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
You've been calling, You've been I'm deploying you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
We're deploying you. Yeah, well that's pretty fun. Yeah, those
were some fun calls. Those are some fun calls. Thanks
everyone for calling. Sorry, if we didn't get to your call.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
You can always call us at three eight five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Gay guys.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Uh, we should mention this is, in fact the second
part of a two part call in show. The first
part was on patrenal Name. It's already happened, and honestly,
there was a very juicy call on it that I
think I would personally pay five dollars a month to
listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
And I think we're gonna you know, we're sort of
doing call in shows intermittently and at random. Yeah, whenever
we feel like it, which I think is so cool.
I agree. I'm glad we're not scheduled.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
I'm also like, are we officially breaking the earnestness, non
earnestness binary. I think, so we're being half earnest, half
not earnest at any given point, I could, you know,
sling a joke that would be worthy of Anthony Jesselnick.
But I could also retreat into a more kind of introverted,
vulnerable state and talk about my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I think, I think get you a podcast host who
can do both. We are we contain moltitudes now, that's right,
outwardly and inwardley now more than ever, what with everything
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So, whether you're in library school or celibate in Los
Angeles or at a straight wedding offending a grandmother by
talking about how you got fisted at the big party.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
We love you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You are always welcome in the lab and come to
Lesbio Lab on April sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
At the Bellhouse. Come to Lesbian Lab on April sixteenth
and LRP after midnight. That's right, Bye.

Speaker 12 (01:02:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
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