"Sisters" w/ Casey Jane Ellison

What does it mean to be a sister? Is it different than having a sister? And where do brothers fit in? These are just some of the questions that we bravely tackle this week with sister and writer/star of the new play "It's My Sister" Casey Jane Ellison. Plus, we examine how people can be cool, whether we should be grateful for anything, and the rythyms of LA (or lack thereof). Everything in this episode IS canon so update your ledgers accordingly! STRAIGHTIOLAB MERCH: cottonbureau.com/people/straightiolab

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who Do Who. Special announcement alert, I repeat special announcement alert.
If you live in the city of San Francisco, California,
we are doing a big, jam packed Stradio Lab live
show on Friday, January seventeenth at Cobbs Comedy Club as
part of SF's Sketch Fest. We cannot wait to see you, guys.
Tickets are available in our Instagram bios and on linktreed

(00:21):
dot com, slash Stradio Lab. That's l I n K
t r ee dot com slash Stradio Lab. Tell your friends,
spread the word. This is one of the biggest shows
we've ever done. It's our first time doing Sketch Fest.
We cannot wait to see you. We can't wait to
be in San Francisco in January and escape the frigid
New York cold and also I guess the very warm

(00:43):
Los Angeles weather for Sam and we can't wait to
see you January seventeenth at Cobbs Comedy Club, part of
SF Sketch Fest. See you there and enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Podcast starts now. What is up?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
All? Happy Sunday Sunday? Everybody, let's face it, Happy Sunday.
How is your Thanksgiving? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
My Thanksgiving was good. I was back in I went
to Virginia. How is your Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
It was incredible. We hosted, I made so many things
you would not believe.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let me know if you agree with this. I was
thinking that Thanksgiving is such a I wouldn't go so
far as say anti capitalist holiday, but I would certainly
say it goes against the you know, the sort of
logics of big tech, because Thanksgiving food is inherently so
ugly when photographed, and yet we have been taught in

(01:54):
our society to cook for the sake of taking photos
of the food.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think this is such a good point. I had
never thought about the fact that Thanksgiving food is ugly.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, it's like uniquely it's actually uniquely delicious and uniquely ugly,
which is the one thing that companies don't want is
for you to enjoy yourself without it being consumed by others.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, I think what's an interesting thing about it is
it's not necessarily uniquely delicious, but it's like uniquely unique.
But it's like you only have it on one day,
and so you're like, well, this day, I'm grateful for this.
But if I was having this, you know, once a week,
I'd be like, can we do something else?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I mean, I was thinking about that in terms of stuffing.
I was like, every year I have the thought, why
don't we have this more often? And it's like, because
that's how it is, and you can't. It's like, why
isn't Jesus born more often? Because he was born once?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
He was born once, and we celebrate him, and we
celebrate him once a year, well twice an Easter, of course, well.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
And every Sunday of course.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah. I had as you know, I was mannic in
Toronto and then I went straight to Virginia and I
was feeling so East Coast pilled. I was sort of like, damn, now,
this is a real place. Sorry, I always have to
bring it back to there, But okay, I've been. I'm
back in LA and I keep looking around. I'm like,

(03:16):
what the hell are we doing here? What is this place?
Yesterday I went to see a movie and I was like,
I mean, I live in a damn mall. This whole
place is a damn mall.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well where would you? I mean, it's funny the movie
is the thing that is shocking to you, because to me,
I'm like, well, you're indoors, you're in a movie theater.
That's the one where you can just pretend you're in
New York. Just pretend it's the regal in New York.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
The way you can't pretend. It doesn't feel like the
legal in New York. Cannot pretend. And you know, trying
to go to eat food before the movie and you're like, well,
everything I walked past is like essentially a pret totally,
So it's kind of a bummer cool, Yeah, but you
know Sela VI. I also, I have to say I

(03:59):
woke up today in a horrific, rancid mood.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
That why, well, there's no reason for it. That's the
worst part.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's just like everything I'm taking, I'm taking a shoe
with everything I'm walking around, I'm like, you know, I'm
having one of those days.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Totally. What an incredible time to bring our guests in.
Let's see if she pisses you off, Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Would be awesome. No, I think she's gonna lift me
up like a like like a thousand doves' hope.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
So we're actually counting on it.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's really my department is what pisses you off? That's
that's what that's where I live, baby, that's what I love.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Do you feel like you're ye and that's where you
love and live? And last yeah, yeah, all of it.
Would you say you are a positive person, Casey Jane Ellison,
please welcome, Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Jane Nelson.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
I really, like I believe, you know, I really am.
I am perpetually disappointed.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, but I am, But I am.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
And that's why I think, Actually.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
That isn't interesting. This sort of fits into George's whole worldview.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I have a really big worldview that a lot of
people are sort of have been latching onto it and
it's been gaining traction. Which is one of my main
beliefs is that pessimism is optimism and optimism is pessimism
because like to go on exactly, but you know what
I mean, as I do, it's unrealistic.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
You're not listening, You're just not here now. You're actually
not here now.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So you're not here now. And when people are like, oh,
this person's so negative, this person is so cynical, it's like, right,
but because they have higher expectations for the world and
high high hopes for a living to quote that song,
and when someone is like when someone is like, oh
my god, I love everything, isn't it so amazing? It's
like you're you're literally so what a depressing existence to

(05:57):
not be able to imagine?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Agree a liar?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You're well, yeah, a liar at best, at worst, someone
who literally has no imagination and no, uh, you know,
no desires.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Absolutely well.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I always returned to Lars von Schreer's Nymphomaniac, of course,
where there's the monologue where it's like, some people just
want more colors from the sunset, you know, more vibrant pink's,
more beautiful oranges, and I'm like, yeah, that's me. It's
just like everything disappoints me because I dream bigger.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Okay, I will have to interject at this point and
say please that literally also gratitude.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
No, totally, especially this Thanksgiving season. This Thanksgiving season, it's
so to be grateful.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's great to be aspirational and to want more and
to be gay in that way, but totally we also
have to be like, the sun's doing an amazing job
and you could never no offense.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
No, no, you're right, you are right, bitch.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm at a confused in place with gratitude. I'm like,
I'm sort of like, I don't know where it fits
into my life, like right now, in such a play.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Just try right now, try it at once, Just try
it just for what maybe just stop complaining for one second?
Have you tried that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
God, the question what are you thinking for? Say it now?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Don't even think.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm grateful to be a podcasting. I find it a
fun way to express myself.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Wow, is that end of list? Or I didn't know
I had to have a list. I thought I was
just saying in a case as for one thing, I
actually think I'm not sure what the best way to
do this is. But I have long thought that these
concepts of like gratitude, kindness, open heartedness, these concepts that

(07:51):
are seen are so corny, need to be reclaimed by
the like cool community, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So you're you're essentially saying kindness kindness punks. I actually
think it's actually catch.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, but it's like, I mean, I hate to say it,
but kindness punk was actually super corny and not cool,
Like we actually we need it to come all the
way back. It's like all the people that are like
edge lord freaks need to embrace kindness as like a
subversive thing to have and generosity and gratitude. Yeah, I

(08:26):
mean this is sort of it's the ethos of you know,
rave culture. It's like we are really cool because we
are so open to community. It's very burning.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Man, happening to me right now, I'm thinking about so, wait,
when did kindness punk happen?

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Did that ever happen? Or we're just thinking maybe.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's so kindness punk. It was part of the world
of Chromatica during the Lady Gaga album.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Chromatica, during so she Pandemic.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yes, she invented the concept kindness punks and it's sort
of quickly abandoned it, I will quickly.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
I don't remember that movement.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, yeah, to call in a movement would be generous.
She sort of. It was part of the world building
of Chromatica, which was a sort of outer space world
that was giving colors.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The theme was colors. It was most literally seen in
the Stupid Love music video, and that's where the thing
about kindness punks. There was like a title card about
kindness punks.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So is this kind of like spunk, like it had
the same kind of color scheme or different different colors.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
There was a there was definitely it was bright pink,
bright purple, bright blue. That was the scheme.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I would say it was a little more elementary school then.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
A little more elementary school meets streetwear.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, street crops, but cropped yellow with big big pants.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Big pants, streetwear fonts. Shot on an iPhone.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
But was anyone wearing these clothes?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Like I didn't get out of sweats for two and
a half years, like was anyone else?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's actually did fit in sweats.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
There were sweats actually, and they were green and pink
if I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, okay, let's fit into the universe.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Okay, So what was the questions?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Like how do we reclaim like how do we reclaim
kindness genera city gratitude so that they're not concepts associated
with like needle point pillows and corny.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Like unfortunately speeches.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Unfortunately you have to commit to like ethical meanness because
you it's just about like genuinely listening and taking in
everything as it comes and being like does this need
to be critiqued or does it not?

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, because it's like sometimes people are mean unnecessarily and
like vengefully and just like taking something else out and
sometimes you're like, well that that deserves like a little
slap on the wrist because it's like what you're doing
right now is frustrating, and.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I was going to say that unfortunately, like part of
being kind is like being on You have to be
a loser, Like you have to be okay with like
being dorky in a certain way because it's it is
actually fun. Like if you maybe cool, I don't know
what that is or something, but it's like, yeah, cool

(11:22):
can be super lame actually if you're so concerned.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, certainly certainly chasing cool. Yeah, chasing cool is very lame.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
But also being you just have to like being above
it being like cool, Like I think you're you're talking
about like cool where you're just like everything's kind of
like all right, like that's yay, Like just is that
kind of it?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Or yeah, yeah, so you're saying that's lame because you're
not letting you're not.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Getting evolved, you're not getting evolved, but it's yeah level yeah, yeah,
So I think your values have to change like for
what cool actually is because I think, yeah, like I'm
trying to think, what's the coolest thing I've ever seen?
And was it kind yeah, and was it kind wow?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah? Wait, First of all, I love the question, what
is the coolest thing I've ever seen?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
The coolest thing I've ever seen?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I think it was Greece, like I still think the musical. Yeah,
I think it was John H. Revolt and Grease, And
I think that wasn't that cool? Actually when you think
about it, it was like the best thing on earth. But
I don't know if it's cool, Like it's so beautiful.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, I lost you you guys.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
No, no, no, I'm I'm you know what my mind is going.
I don't know why, but I'm immediately going to Robin Williams.
I'm like, I'm like, the coolest thing I've ever seen
is like at his peak, like he reached such a
stride where like when he was on stage it was
just like, I mean, he was also on like so

(12:54):
much cocaine, but when he was on stage, it was
just like he was breezing through, and then when he
was off stage, it was just like head to toe Issimiyaki.
Like so just like constantly with like three completely random people,
it would be like one model, one you know, uh,
international social justice activist, and one democratic politician and they

(13:18):
would all be having Martinez. That's like what Robin Williams's
life was like throughout the nineties.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Sure, I just realized, did you contextualize me at all
in this interview or did we just immediately start like
chatting thank you? Well, because I'm actually on the clock
right now and I need to.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like, okay, you are totally emoting yeah, the way you
have domndas throughout this process.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I I I told you, I'm in rehersal right now,
so like it's not a joke.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
First you're like, okay, I want to promote my show.
We're like, oh my god, amazing, we can't wait to
have you. Then thirty minutes before recording, you were like,
can I take this call from a car?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Actually, Then we're like, we're actually going to do a
quick intro and then bring you in, and you're like,
can we just not do that? This is and now
we're literally doing the podcast and you're like, I'm sorry,
I'm can you please introduce me properly?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Okay, this is like a sign of unhappiness. Is controlling,
is being overly controlled?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Right?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Right?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Really?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
No, but I get me.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Just it's funny because no, it's funny because I so
see it from your perspective, like you are, you are promoting,
You're trying to sell tickets.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Well, no, well it's sold out, but we just added
we just really, let's cut it. Let's just cut it.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
No, No, this is actually so gayzy.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
We would love to hear about the show, the sold
out show. You are in Los Angeles, you.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Guys, it sold out, but we added a new show
on another show on Saturday at five pm in Los
Angeles at the New Theater.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Uh huh, we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
What is it called.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's called It's My Sister.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
By Casey j Ellison.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Written star and starring wah and yeah, it's a it's
a one woman kind of play.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
And the premise okay.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, I actually would love to get at them because
I have been I have been very curious about this,
because I was just telling you before Sam got on
the call that I think more people in our community
need to do fictional solo shows. I have had enough,
I repeat, enough of the sort of Edinburgh trauma plot.
Like one time, when I was twelve, I looked out

(15:43):
the window and it was snowing, and that's when I realized,
you know, I was a snowman, Georgia, I'm crying though.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That was powerful though.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, it's great, that sounds good though, Yeah, let's start.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Actually, so the twist is he's a snowman.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
And again that's why it's good because it's fictional because
that would never happen in your life. If you get
if you gave me a trauma plot and it was
that you were a snowman, then I'm listening. But if
the trauma plot is like I had a difficult relationship
with my mother, join the club, well.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
I have to say that I'm sorry to disappoint, but
there is tons of trauma in this story.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Well yeah, obviously, but obviously otherwise it wouldn't be a
solo show. But I'm saying, it's not you coming out
and being like, oh when I was six, So same one.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
The premise is the whole The whole show is a
phone call between two sisters that haven't spoken in five years.
So like, you meet sister, the first sister, and then
she gets a phone call from her sister who she
hasn't spoken to in years, and you hear like just
her side of the conversation, and you end up realizing,
you end up learning what happened to them? Why they
haven't spoken? And then I play the second sister and

(16:47):
you hear her side, but it's like another It's like
later in the phone call, you don't hear the whole
thing again.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
So it's like, oh, you're hearing one side of the
phone call at a time.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yes, it's like analog play. You're hearing the phone call
from one sister's side and then the other sister's side
at a time. Who so you hear both sides of
an incredible fictional story.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
And what are the dates that this is happening again?

Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's December of Not that it matters because guess.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
What, it's sold out.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, there's a new night George.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Hey, there's standby as well, and like this is a
really cool new theater called the New Theater Hollywood. And
it's like, well, you know, like it's true, you know,
like it's kind of like it's already it's Hollywood. You know,
you never know. So if you show up and you
want to see, we'll make it work. No, I can't
say it. I can't say that widespread, but you know
what I'm talking, be cool about it, everybody.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Do you think that a theater could ever truly catch
on in Los Angeles?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Girl, Yes, I think.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Have you like exciting to me, like the fact that
you're like the fact that you're doing this, It's like
how fun And there's a new the and like what
if everyone started doing more of this stuff? What if
we stopped trying to make clowning happen and actually build
a theater community that's sustainable in the city of Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I have Sorry, Sam, go ahead, well sorry, I have
one of the more where maybe you say what you're
gonna say, and then I have an insane take to
say after that, because mine's kind of changes the subject slightly.
My point is like I think that the everything that's happening,
like with people being clowning and all that, it's all building,
Like we're building an actual enterprise where we all can
bring skills to maybe like the future of theater, and

(18:31):
like it's all I think it's sticking, Like I think
it's gonna it's already huge. It's like, look what happened,
you know with Jeremy O. Harris and Cole and like
Kate burlanstro It's like everybody everything is like sticking to
itself and it's a big it's a big moment.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
No, I definitely think overall theater is having a great moment.
I'm saying Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
To your point, I have a the.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Show started in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, here's my weird theory that I want you to
both comment on. Okay, there's more musical theater gaze in
LA than in New York.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes, well that's because they're dumber.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Okay, No, but literally I think yeah, because you would
think they can see Broadway in New York, so they'd
be in New York. But it's like, it's actually way
more common to be musical theater gay in LA.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I mean, you're talking to a lot. Did you know
that I'm from LA. I'm born and raised in Hollywood, California.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Did you know that? All?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Oh, I don't think I knew that about you?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Know that about you?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
No.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
First of all, I just want to be clear. I
know I've been very like jokingly anti La. Actually love
like I have grown to really appreciate LA. I just
still love making fun of it because it's very fun.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
It is fun, and I agree with what you're saying.
It's a confusing place. It's like we have everything and
there's no friction, and that makes people really uncomfortable. And
then also it's like we live in a bubble. But
it's also really rude here, Like people are so uncomfortable
here because they don't have practice. Like there's no practice,

(20:09):
you know, chit chat, there's no cuci cou, there's no
there's no like rhythm here. So it's like everyone's like,
excuse me, what are you calling the police? Like it's
just like there's just we are just two. We're awkward here,
but we are like in a good mood or something.
So it's a very weird thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I actually think the no rhythm thing is really unlocking
something that I think has been missing in my theory
of Los Angeles. I think you're absolutely right. It's like
the that's that is the root of all the kind
of uh, the root of all the like miscommunication about
the ethos of Los Angeles is that at any given point,

(20:51):
when you're starting an interaction with someone, you are basically
interrupting the solo show that is their life. They are,
they are starring in a film, and when you are
saying like would you like oat or whole their brain
is exploding because this is not part of like a
consistent series of interactions are having during the day.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's an abduction. It's hard, and I think they're jumpier there.
I'm so jumpy. I grew up jumpy because it's like, yeah,
it's really jumpy because you're like, it's just you're going
with a literal, dry breeze. That's the rhythm of LA
across the plaine the desert into the ocean. Like, that's
the rhythm of LA. And then someone's like you want

(21:30):
oat or almond. It's like, what are you trying to say?
What are you saying to me? Don't talk to me
this way?

Speaker 4 (21:39):
And then you have to you have to be like, yeah,
you have to do a.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Lot, and then you have to do a sound bath
like that. It's like, then that happens to you, and yes,
you have just like a series of basically you are
going through this frictionless existence, and every interaction you have
with another human or a business or you know, any
kind of like other entity is a trauma. So then
at the end of the day, it's like, oh, someone's

(22:04):
punching me here, someone's slapping me here, someone's you know,
shooting a little you know, rubber bullet to my forehead.
This is just ordering coffee, by the way, and then
by the time you get home, you're like, well, I
have to do something to fix all the all the
trauma and all the bruises I have on my body
from living a life. And that's how you get into scientology.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yes, and the dry breeze just hits a wall and
it's the blue building of the Scientology. It's it's actually
like from Pasadena to the ocean Scientology.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
You hit it on the way.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's kind of beautiful, but then
it's but then it's like it's unfair that then someone
an outsider looks at that and is like, oh, they're
so out of touch because they're all doing sound baths
and having green smoothes, and it's like, yeah, that's because
they have to heal.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I saw a man take over upwards of twenty minute.
It's to order breakfast this morning, and in a way
that I didn't like if if someone if there was
like a bomb about to go off, and it was
like the only way to tap this bomb from going
off is to like make this interaction last longer. I
couldn't make it last that long.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's like Speed.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
It's like Speed the movie, but just ordering.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
The bomb will go off, and tempo of.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
The conversation like that minute like that mundane, keep it calm, yeah,
otherwise the.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Bomb is going to blow. And this guy was like,
would have succeeded. It was like I've never seen anything
like it. And I was like, I feel like I'm
on a different planet, Like to extend this interaction this
long in a way it made me so angry, and
that was like unjustified. This is part of my ransom mood.
And I was like, I'm not built for this place.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Are you from? Where are you from? Vermont?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I'm from the midwestern Virginia, Virginia.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
We're in the Midwest, like mostly Michigan, but also a
little bit Ohio and Indiana.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
But I think the reason you're not built for it
is not because you're from the Midwest. It's because you
spent all of your adulthood in New York.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, you know what's crazy. You said that, because it's
just it's a citywide thing.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I was behind this woman ordering like twenty nine barrecas
or whatever, and it's like then the cashier was like, wait,
do you want them in individual bags? And she was
like yeah, And then he was like, are you sure
you don't want them in the same box? I can
get a box. And then she was like, yeah, maybe
I want it separate. Maybe I want them separately in

(24:37):
separate boxes. And then he goes, are you sure you
don't want them? Maybe I can put them in bags
and then a box, and then she was like yeah maybe.
It just like kept being a discussion and I was like, wow,
the Lord is testing me and.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I am yeah, but this is good life.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yes, this is as good as this is.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
This goes back to every interaction being a trauma. It's
like the constant. The experience of ordering the brecas in
New York would be just like something you do as
part of like the fifteen things you do in your morning, right,
So you're just your goal is to get it done
as quickly as possible so you can go deliver them
to the big client.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
But in Los Angeles, the interaction of ordering them starts
and you're like, oh, perfect, this is the main event ordering.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, now it's my time to shine.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now it's my time, Like this is ordering and I
better get this right.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I even think part of the part of my triggered
response is that this, to me is essential like Midwestern
like when people don't know what to talk about and
they can't connect emotionally, they're like, okay, let's talk logistics
for the next hour. Like it'll be like, oh, how
did you Oh you took sixty five? Oh okay, was
there traffic? Oh well, I heard the Walmart over there

(25:55):
is closing soon. Oh actually no, they were adding a
grocery center. And it's like just the most mundane nothing.
It's like, how about you just say, like I haven't
talked to my mother in ten years and like I'm
so lonely, Like just let's get into it. And everyone
just wants to talk mundane, mundane mundane mundane here and
there as well.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
That could be fun.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's just weird. How Like I guess that's like a
stradio lab issue. It's like you can talk about like
really like you know which charger it is and like
is it jiff or is it GIF? Like you can
do that, but it's like you can put a twist
on it.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
It can be fun. It can be.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
You're sort of like you're reclaiming small talk in the
way that you have already reclaimed kindness and gratitude.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I love small talk.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, I love you, and I.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Want to be clear. I love small talk just like
when it's like someone you should be able to emotionally
connect with, Like if it's like a cashier, it's like sure,
like have a little pleasant interaction. But if it's like
your uncle who has known you since you were a baby,
like you should be able to talk about something.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Sure, sure, well, actually it's interesting. So the guy, the
cashier or the barista was like creating this mountain out
of a mole hill of brecas like in the containers.
And then when it was my turn, I went up
and I was like, uh, you have Like I was
like holding it in, but I had an intimate thing

(27:23):
to say to him, which was like you have like
a little bit of something like on your head. And
he was like oh shit, and I was like no,
it's like fine, like no one noticed, but you know,
and like we did have an intimate moment. And I
was like locked and loaded with it because I was
appalled at the the lack of intimacy with this like

(27:49):
insane conversation that was about care, but it actually wasn't
about care. It was just like wasting paper, you know,
of time, And then I was and then yeah, and
I told him about his thing. He got like knocked
off his game. And but I think, what's your policy?
By the way, would you tell a stranger about something.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
But he had something, that he had something on his
forehead if it were a stranger, I think I would not.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I think I would not if it were a stranger.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't think I would either. But it's like that.
I think I'm right. Long year, I think you.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Did after a person after person, and it was getting
longer with the Brefast thing.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Of course, I needless to say. But I think I
think were you a sais?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Is that you?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
No? It wasn't me.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Was there someone else?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Were you there?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I wasn't there. But I was like, if I know
a line and I know Brecas, it's going to be
at Safie's.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
There you go bucked it. Shout out safe.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Safe, No, shoutow shout out Safie's.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I live for the Earl Gray Latte.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I Wow.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I'm saying that without any endorsement, like any check at all.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
No, but Savey's should give a special treatment when we
go from now on. And that's fine.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Let's rush through our first segment so that we can
get to the topic good point.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,
we're going to ask you a series of rapifier questions
to gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture.
It's basically this thing or this other thing. And the
only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions
or we will get so upset at you that.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
But I already do have questions. What am I supposed
to say?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Not exactly?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Sam go okay, arrested development or caressing a.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Gentleman, arrested development, getting the dick or eating a dick,
eating a dick?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Mm okay, face tattoo or mace wind do what was
the Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
No follow ups? Even if I don't even understand the question.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
What was it? The first one?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
You're on? Thin tattoo tattoo? Okay, okay, casey mid century
modern decor or she dyed her hair auburn jador.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
M This one is hard, Yes, the auburn Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Fish fry or cis guy.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Oh fish fry?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Buying an American girl doll or side eyeing an arrogant
girl at the mall.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
The side eye mmm, male pattern, baldness or female chatter
in the office.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Female chatter in the office.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, keeping your friends close, keeping your enemies closer, or
keeping your eyes peeled for that bitch Jessica because you
know she's always up to fucking something.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Probably the last one.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, wow, wow, A really good job.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
So it did a really good job.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think you did a really really good job. And
I actually think I really appreciated that for all of them,
you went with the edgiest one.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I do do I like edgy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, yeah, And you know, we are sort of flip
flumping between different scales right now. Ok.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
But normally basically post election, it's been really difficult to
decide what the future of the segment is because we
think there's been a really intense shift in the vibe
across the country.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, but that being said, I think I'm going to
go ahead and give you eight hundred and ninety doves.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Out of a thousand, out of a thousand. That's good, congratulations. Plus, Oh,
that is not the kind of scale we're talking about. It.
This is not school's part. When do I get my dog?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
How many are there overed?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, they're in the male. They're hands delivered one by
one Dove bars or do actually Dove deodorant where it's
a little travel sized Dove deodorants.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, okay, I don't okay, I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
You know, uncented, don't door might Oh that's okay. Well,
people your community will love eight hundred and ninety two
uncnded Dove deodorant.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And the holidays are just around the corner.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And the holidays just around the corner. We're actually we're
releasing our gift guide soon. It's a bunch of things
that are Dove branded of different kinds.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Wait, isn't there a Dove soap?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Down, Yes, there's definitely do there's also Dove soap, but.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
The body No, I meant like dish soap, just Doves dish.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
No, that's don that's done.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, that's done.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
But you know, you could just use Dove body soap
for your dishes. I'm sure it would make them extra
extra smooth.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's true. I used to wash oil.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
What I felt like I was being led down, a
like I was being proven down a case that I
was going to be upset about.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
But I think I did well. So I'm just recovering
from that.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, it can be really frustrating to be asked a
question and not know why you're being asked the question.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, and it's like it's like a am I being tricked?
Am I? But what I appreciated about your performance was
that you never strayed from your plan, which was to
pick the edgiest one.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well, I just went with what my heart said.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Which I think is what you should do.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, and also what I'm in the mood for, Like
I'm in the mood for a fish fry, not.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Someone comes to your door and there saying do you
want a fish fry? Or assist guy? Who is going
to pick sis? Guy?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
It depends on the guy. Who's the guy?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I mean, can we see him? That's true? I guess
if it was you know, Paul Hollywood, then of course.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Which is in here?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Get in?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay? So Casey, we would love to know what your
straight topic is for the day and what is straight
about it?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Well I kind of was sneaky because I just have
to undermine and be edgy.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
It's sort of amazing, thank you.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, I'm slippery, but okay, the topic is sisters.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
But you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Saying, well, of course you're you know, the topic is
a tie in. It's a collab if you will with
your it's a plug.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
But it's also very straight. I feel like sisters are
always like, like, imagine a boy, a guy, he has
a sister, Like, can you imagine something so more straight
than more straight than that?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Then imagine like a girl she has a sister. That's yeah,
that's very straight too. But imagine like imagine just like
another girl. Yeah, imagine a sister, she has a sister
that's gay.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Wow, you think about when the sisters.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
More removed, the more removed from the main character, you get,
the gayer it gets.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Maybe maybe I'm not sure. I'm going to confirm that.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
To me. Here's to me, what's straight about sisters as
a topic. It's when there's a family and it's four
the kids are four girls and they're all blonde, or
like three of them are blonde and one is a brunette.
And even though they're all basically identical, the brunette is
like the crazy one and everyone's like she's brainy, she

(35:42):
wears glasses, like, oh, she's like kind of ugly.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, you're also you're thinking sort of a bad sister's way.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, yes, I'm definitely thinking boat to it. But also,
just like you know those families where it's just like
four girls and they are all even if they're not Christian,
the vibe is Christian and they're all wearing you know,
little sun dresses. As soon as they each hit twenty
seven they start having kids, then it's like a big family.
We're talking kind of a lavender maybe knit cardigan.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Here's what's straight about it to me is the four sisters.
In particular, when there's four sisters, immediately it becomes there's
like an implied competition of like we have to get married. Yes,
like I think there's a there's like an assumption of like, well,
where's the man here? We have to get married. I
guess I'm thinking pride and prejudice.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I was literally about to say, it's so Jane Austen. Yes, yeah,
it's so pride and prejudice.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
It's so like dowry, coded dowry. Dowy's a lot of dowry.
We've got to split up.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yes, so there are limited dowery.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Yeah, there's not enough dowry.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
And God forbid, the father is ill of Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
And also what's going to happen with the sheep?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
The way you know, I don't even have to say it.
Little women, little women, folks, folks, little women.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Little women, two words, little women.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Here's what it is.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
This is what's also straight about that. So when you
go into that where there's the four sisters, but actually
like some of them are subversive and some of them
are like career and more genius style girls, then there's
still one a.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Man exactly and that is exactly ill straight.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
And that makes them still like, well is it a
man or is it my book?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:32):
And it is like that's an issue, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
The false promise of like diversity within the sister community, like.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
It sets up watch your mouth, watch your mouth.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
It sets up this like you're where one of them can.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Wait what no, just like we're edging into misogyny. Just
want to alarm No no, no, no, no, no, Which is
I get it? First of all, you a woman is.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Not gonna tell me when I'm dic into misogyny. I'm
gonna decide when I've drig into misogyny. It's true, But
it's like if you have little women and if you
have the if you have Oh, by the way, Bronte's
sister is not even gonna get into that one. But
this is also an example, just like it comes up. Yeah,
you can be the brainy one, you can be the
slutty one, you can be the smart one or the
dumb one. But the fact that at the end of

(38:26):
the day, it all everyone's still looking for a husband.
It's almost like you're reaching the limits of heterosexuality.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean, I get it.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I kind of want a wife.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I do.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I mean, I know kind of like I definitely do.
I get it comes down to that ship the street
like married thing. But even when you're guy. Yeah, but
this is interesting that you guys went to corsets with sisters.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, it is notable.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You were thinking because I know, I changed, Like when
you were describing it a was much more. It was different.
It was like the concept of having a sister is straight.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I was thinking more contemporary, like where's your sister, Like
did you pick her up? Or like I don't know
where the fuck she is, or like she's always late, or.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Or even like don't talk to my sister like that exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, let me talk to my sister, put her on
the phone like that, like some kind of thing. An
older sister is like mad and trying to get in touch.
Someone's in trouble, someone like needs to be picked up.
It's usually about getting picked up or dropped.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Off or dropped off that's right.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And then well your sister has practice and right somebody
so you can't go hang out with your friends because
I went.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Suburban with that, which wasn't even my last Like, I
don't know why.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
This is interesting. We're doing sort of a roar shack
test of just like saying the word sister and being
like where does it take you?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
And then immediately, I mean the show is called It's
my sister, which I think is you know what the
references is like it's my sister, Like it's.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh, like when you see it on the phone, that's good.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, and then it's it's my sister. It's like it's
a blame thing. It's like it's my sister. And also
just whatever, I'm just giving myself compliments. It's a great
it's a great turn of phrase, but also reminded of
hersus burning like.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
That's my sister.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Sure, sure, and sisters it's like the sister.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I got all my sisters with me. It's like it's family.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Sure, well genderless, I will say, obviously, sisters when you
divorced it from biological family gets more complicated because the
term sisters has a different valance in queer communities and
black communities in like drag it does. It then becomes

(40:51):
much more complicated, which I think is why both Sam
and I went to courset. So you didn't want to
go there because I think that then if you do,
if you do the like non biological sister, what that
is doing is taking the strength of these heterosexual sister
ties and applying it to your chosen family.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yes, which is powerful, which is I did undermind the assignment. Yeah,
I mean I don't think the word sister in it's
in its What it is is a straight word.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It just is right. It's having a sister.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's having a sister exactly, and it's a beautiful thing.
It's such a it's a community word. It's a word
that means community and tension, a lot of tension.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, there's something about saying sister like where it is
even like you're still married to the family element, you're
like before she is Rebecca's sister. Well, because you could
just be like, oh, it's Rebecca, and instead you're like,
it's my sister. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
No. This is actually so it because I find myself
sometimes saying that about one of my sisters to someone
who knows one of them, Like I could so easily
be like, that's you know, Margaret, that's not my sister's name,
but that's you know. You could so easily say her name,
say her name, and instead it's it's like, I am,

(42:20):
I want to reaffirm that she is only what she
is in relation to me. And in that way, I'm
subjugating women by calling them sister instead of calling them
by their names.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Absolutely wow, absolutely wow.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
And so that I think makes it more straight. It's like,
it's honestly, I'm sorry, but it's like saying wife, like
the way that wife is so inherently misogynist, because you
are taking a woman into fying.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I have to take what you're saying and then give
it like the positive twist, because I'm a positive person.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Of course, it's like.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Course to call them one your sister or your wife,
that's my wife, it's like you're you're claiming a stake
in it. It can be territorial, but it's personal. It
means personal, it means we have a history. It's like,
it's like whatever it is. You might not know what
me and my sister is about, but that's a lot,
it's everything. Actually, yes, so there is something, yes, like

(43:16):
I get what you're saying, but don't don't diminish yourself
in that relationship.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
George.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
That's true because when you're saying that and you're staking
a claim, you're actually saying like, I exist too in that.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Right, because of course she's my sister. What's the corelaier
of that? You're brother, I'm her brother.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Don't mean to gender, but yes you are, and I'm
actually you're also her sister.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I'm also herself. That's true because you're gay, well yes,
but also because having a sister, as much as we've
already discussed it's a straight thing. But also to have
a sister makes you a little bit of a sister yourself. Absolutely,
in order to reach across the island, have a sister,
you have to have sisterly attributes. Otherwise it will never work.

(44:03):
If you're just a brother, and you are firmly a
brother and you refuse to be anything but a brother,
You're never gonna actually have a relationship with your sister.
Your brother has to be a little bit of a sister,
and a sister has to be a little bit of
a brother.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
I've never had a brother, and I don't I'm zero
percent bro.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Wow, do you guys think that, by the way, that.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You're zero percent bro?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I don't think you're bro. I don't know about zero
pro I think you're like.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
To me, what comes at the forefront of you is
like city city child. You know.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
What I'm getting from you is like.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
What is that like? Biblically is that like?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Who is that?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Who's the arc type?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I'm not super familiar with Bible references. Unfortunately, it sounds
like say Jesus.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
To me, It's funny that we were talking about cool
stuff at the beginning because to me, you're like the
essential the cool.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Girl m hm. And I actually think the lack of
brothers ties into that because I think of you as
like there's something sort of like you live in a matriarchy.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I do.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Well, and this whole thing. I'm actually I'm feeling more
comfortable now. At the beginning, I was like, let's feel
out the vibe more. I think there's something about your
like kindness thing that is very real where you are
both very cool and kind, and that makes it like
the kindness is almost like whoa, I didn't think she
was gonna be nice to me, Like she's actually very

(45:35):
nice in a way. That's like a cool disarming thing
you can do.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I know, I don't know what else to do, like,
but anyway, let's I mean, yeah, that's that's true.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
That's me.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, George, Okay, you look like nothing. You're pregnant right now.
We want to say something.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
First, Well, I'm part sister, so of course that can
happen pregnancy. No, no, no, I I don't. I I'm
still thinking about like what it means for you, you know,
because I also don't have a brother. I guess you
could say I am a brother. You are, but I like,

(46:18):
I'm thinking about.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Your Okay, but you're a brother, but you're also the
dad and little women.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I'm the dad and little women because I'm the oldest. Yes,
he's the one who says my little women.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Oh, he's out at war and then he comes back
in the middle.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
That's right, that's right. I hated that part.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
By the way, Here's what I'm struggling Casey.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Were amazing until now.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Here's what I'm struggling with, Casey. It's like, you're a
queer woman, Okay, Traditionally speaking, it's like a queer man.
The stereotype is that he's more feminine than a straight man,
and a stereotype of a queer woman more masculine than
a straight woman. Okay, so of course there is. Do
you agree with that generally speaking.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Queer man is more feminine than a queer woman.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's sorry, no, sorry, queer man is more feminine than
just a straight man. That's just like, yes, yes, And
then queer woman traditionally is more masculine than a straight woman.
That's just like the general stereotype you think lesbian, You're like,
she's going to be a little more masculine than you know,
Charlotte York. Yes, okay, here's my question, all right, Queerness

(47:23):
affords a woman a certain level of masculinity, as does
having brothers, because it makes you a little bit of
a bro. So how does the masculinity of the adjacency
to brothers compared to the masculinity of simply being a
queer woman.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Well, the answer is uh, gay men, it's just like
I am a gay man too, or I'm not.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I see you know the word I'm I'm really saying,
but I'm not going to say here yes, yes, but
that's vibe. It's like, it's it's sister, it's it's sister.
Is the conduit to being mass being gay?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Mm hm for both?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
WHOA wow?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
So have here's what it is. Having a sister is straight.
Being a sister is gay.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
You tour that.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Being gay if you're if you're in proximity to a sister.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Exactly right, because the sister having a sister is straight,
but the sister instills in you a certain energy which
eventually makes you gay.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
And you must choose to be a sister too.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
It is bestowed upon you, but you must choose it.
It's a choice. Well, of course, so that thing is crazy.
I'm really glad we had this talk. It's actually gonna
help you with my show because that's what my show
is kind of about.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Being a sister and choosing to be a sister, and
being a sister, having a sister, choosing to be.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
A sister, and it's conduit ness to gayness or like whatever,
like being.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Yeah, connected through that style a kind of stock I do.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
A little bit. Want to talk about brothers for a second.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
We're on the same page. It's crazy. I was literally
about to bring up a.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Well, like, first of all, I don't even know in
the gata straight world where this stands. I just know
that when I'm in a house with all brothers, I'm frightened.
I'm scared for my life. I don't know what physical
violence will come, but I know it will come. I
have one brother and one sister. I'm the middle child.
So it's a very tasteful little mixture. Uh but when

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the only gay, I'm the only gay.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, but also, your brother is not toxic.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Mask, No, it's a very it's a very tasteful, tasteful straight. Yeah.
But like if I'm thinking of like one particular family
that I knew in high school and it was like
three brothers, and like I eventually went over there and
would be like, well, hopefully they think I'm too weak
to attack, and like, because you never knew, like when

(50:10):
they were just gonna throw a bottle across the room
total to one another.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Really boys, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Well, I mean, of course, the flip side of four
girls Jane Austen Little women. Of course, the flip side
of that is the horror, the blatant horror of four
brothers all playing lacrosse, four brothers like piling into the
mini van, you know, just muddy shoes, literally stepping on

(50:36):
their mother's brand and new hairdoo. Just disgusting. But this
is so crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I'm so privileged. I don't even know about this life.
And like, I didn't even hang out with many boys,
and like I just sometimes, but I didn't see this
inside world. I mean I was straight for a minute, sure,
but they were very gay. They were very sister people.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah. I mean when I was around like a well,
when I was around this family of boys, I literally
would turn into sister. I would be like, like, I
would essentially be like, well.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
You fense mechanism.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
You can make the conscious choice to be a sister
just for self preservation, even just in a temporary way.
You're like, I'm I'm entering this house, I'm in danger.
I will be a sister for the next three hours
just to get through this play date. Otherwise I don't
even know what could happen to me. Yeah, But in
terms of the straightness of it, because of course, you

(51:37):
know we're saying four Sisters is straight. Jane Austen, Okay,
isn't four Brothers straight? But I would argue no, because
I think four Sisters is like exactly, yes, it's like
it's not. But then it's so over the top that
it almost becomes like camp. Like it's like four men
that are all basically like ripping open their shirts and

(51:59):
like you know, pounding their chest monkey style. That is
that's not serious, Like.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It kind of turns into a circuit part.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, exactly, it's a performance camp.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
That's like, isn't that like the like Jacqueline Novak's show,
she talks about this like how men are everything they
say women are yes, And it's like I think that's
like lacan or something like sorry whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
And yeah, but it's like they are the ones who
are sensitive. They're the ones who have short tempers. They're
the ones who and I think she uses the penis
as a metaphor for this too, where it's like it's
like so you have to like coax it out of
its shell, but then it's going to get scared it's back.
The penis is a woman, yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, right, huh so, but that's really interesting. I would
maybe in my life I will have seen the boy world,
but yeah, I've just never or maybe.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I've like blocked it out or something.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I'm just like, that's so not yeah, but it's not true,
Like I want to be able to be a part
of that world, your world or what is the you
know what I'm saying, Yeah, part of that is.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
A world, like I almost would like to revisit it,
but it's like, how would I ever? I mean, I
do think I think this is like a gay man plight,
you know, like where you're like you should have fit
into that world and then you're like, but you didn't.
And so now I it'spen my whole life chasing that
and being like how can I be this like nasty man?

(53:32):
And I never ever actually can reach the heights that
they reach, Like they will always be a nastier gayer
man than I will.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yes, men will always be nastier gayer than that's.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Very true, but you can do.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I think gay men are really competing these days and
being really that's true that bitch.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, caymen are out there being that bitch.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
They are, They're really being even more straight than straight
can be.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
That's true. That's true, that it's true.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Here's my question. So being a brother we've decided is
gay because it is camp. What about having a brother
because we decided before having a sister is straight, but
being a sister is gay?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Honestly, having a brother, I literally don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, I don't want you.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah, but not even like even if I'm judging and
like trying to critique, I don't know what that is.
Brother sounds financial to me. Yes, brother, brother, we're brothers,
Like we're brothers.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I will say whenever I say, like I'm going to
hang out with my brother, I do feel heterosexual.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Oh. Interesting, Like there's.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Something about like having a close relationship with your brother
that's like there's a like innocence there where you like
didn't have to grow up, like like it's like simple,
It's like you know it's going to be easy. Yes,
there's something about having a brother and being like, Okay,
I'm going to go hang with my brother where it's
like I'm actually checking out of like real life for

(55:02):
a right.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
It reminds me this is what I see when I
see brother like a blue bear children's book Brother Bear,
It like a little hot sleepy hat.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, yeah, you're in a children's book.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, they put sleep the Sleepy Time, the Sleepy Time.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Key bear like kid like like that. But as a teenager, yeah, totally, totally.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Huh, I love the Sleepy Time Bear. People.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
No, you, as soon as you utter the sentence I'm
going to see my brother, you become a cartoon. Like
you start looking at your hands and they're like turning
into just line drawings of a hand. You're like, oh
my god, like we're in a children's book. You have
a paw. You have a paw, You have a paw.
It's you are you are brother bear.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
You lose a finger, and you lose a finger for finger.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yes, and you have permission to not worry about social
injustices or politics or the election or then use you
just it's this beautiful state where you can go back
to just being brother bear. Yeah God, that's I love that,
me too, Me do. Whereas actually I'm and sorry again

(56:15):
to the line of misogyny. But when you well, I
was thinking that same when you have a sister. Actually, sadly,
what's happening is you are going into this realm of like,
oh did I say the wrong thing. Oh oh we could.
Is this a miscommunication? I mean going back, yes you.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Did say the wrong thing, and yes you did because
it is an abstract world. It's an opposite of a
children's book. It is an abstract film. We are no longer,
there is no way, there's.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
No way there. It's a hall of me. You are
literally entering into like a circus hall of mirrors. Anything
you say ken and will be used against you.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
And George, I want to give you just unsolicited advice
when you enter this world where yes, did I say
the wrong thing? You're never going to get it right.
So you keep trying to be brother in this world.
It's never gonna work.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
You need to let it work.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
You have to be sisters.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
You have to just be.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Like I did say the wrong thing, and then see
what happens and enter that world of unknown. It's not
going to be chill.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
No, it's not going to be chill no. I mean
maybe this is the crux of like, you know, the
Battle of the Sexes is like there's this Walus cartoon
brother bear world and to the uninitiated observer, they're like,
why is that man being so brute? Like why is
he being so bear? But in his mind he's being
so cutesye and brother Bear. He just he has no idea.

(57:39):
He's knocking over plates and the trains and everything when
he's like going into the room. Absolutely, And he's also
looking at the sister who is basically in like, you know,
a one woman adaptation of Chris Kraus's I Love Dick,
And he's like, why is she saying words I don't
even understand?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
By the way, mine is not like that my one
woman show just totally.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
I think we cracked it, like.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
You know, we cracked it. I think we cracked it
in like a pretty big way.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah. I would say this is going to be like,
this is going to go down in the history books
as like core Stradio Lab mythology is brothers and so
you can.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Refer to this. But I do want a shout out
at every time you refer to this conversation as canon.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, no, this is in the canon for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
And actually, speaking of shout outs, I think it might
be time for a final.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Segment which is called shout outs, which is called shout outs. George,
will you introduce it?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I would be absolutely delighted okay, Casey. Our final segment
is called shout Outs, and in this segment we pay
homage to the classic straight oral tradition of the radio
shout out, Thank TRL you're shouting out to your squad
back home. What we're each going to do is shout
outs something that is absolutely making us so happy week,
and we think of it on the spot. So Sam

(59:03):
and I are going to think of them now. Okay,
I have one, You have one. Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I would like to give a huge shout out to
Bad Sisters season one. I watched all the Bad Sisters
season one just last week, and I was in heaven
the entire time. And when I was in Toronto even
I was like, Oh, what am I going to do
on this Sunday? I can the whole city is my oyster.

(59:28):
And you know what I did. I said, I'm going
to sit in my hotel and I'm going to watch
seven episodes of a TV show. And I actually have
not been so happy in my whole life. I said, finally,
I'm taking the pressure off of exploring your city and
I am just watching Bad Sisters live it up and
be bad. I will say I did watch episode one
of season two and I said, oh, no, no, no,

(59:48):
I hope they don't undo the perfect ending they had
for season one, and it seems like they might be
undoing it. And I don't know if I will continue
to watch and I will live in the fantasy that
is the ending of season one because it was satisfying.
It felt good, and honey, it's all fiction, so just
let me enjoy the fiction. So shout out to Batist
season one, shout us not doing anything when you were

(01:00:09):
in a foreign city, and shout out to Ireland. Woo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I'm scared about season two. Sam. I also just
watched the first episode and I don't know, wait.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
So that you're not even trying to plug my thing.
You're just like coincidentally watching something called Bad Sisters.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
It's a good show.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
You ever heard of it? I need to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Oh, it's on Apple TV. It's so good at Sharon Oregan.
You'd like it. Okay, okay, okay. I have a Canada
related one too, Sam, and I just got back from Canada.
What my little piggies. I want to give a shout
out to the classic Quebec style hot chicken sandwich. I
was not familiar with this dish until my dear friend

(01:00:53):
Sarah Haggie planned a beautiful day for us in Toronto
and took me to all the Canadian sites and sounds,
culminating in a dinner at this place that served Quebec
style hot chicken sandwiches. And I'm sure you're thinking, what
the hell is that? It's pretty simple shreded chicken, un
buttered white bread with gravy and green beans on top.

(01:01:14):
And that's it. It is an open faced sandwich, piece
of bread, shredded chicken, gravy, green beans. It was such
a beautiful like introduction to the spirit of Thanksgiving because
this was a few days before American Thanksgiving. And you know,
I think something I appreciate about Canada is their willingness
to let gravy be a year round dip slash topping.

(01:01:36):
I think we are so scared in America to divorce
gravy from the Thanksgiving table and it needs to be
something that has to be enjoyed with the biological family
while celebrating violent colonial histories. And I think what Canada
has done is said, you know, we can just serve
it at McDonald's on fries. So shout out to Quebec

(01:01:57):
style hot chicken sandwiches. Shout out to sort of anything
Keba Quad. In fact, I'm really fascinated by their culture.
I know that's different than Toronto. And also, you know,
shout out to Gravy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Well, that was beautiful, George.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Perfect, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Okay, what up?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Cuties, which is what I call my fans, That's what
my fans are known as, and those of you who
do not identify as Cuties, I would love to shout
out first of all, Alfresco Dining. I love you. You've
always been there for me. I'm from La so that's
a fact. And I love you so much. Like I

(01:02:39):
love spending too much in this setting. I love a
chicken caesar. I love the French fried chicken caesar combo.
It's just me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Yeah, I call it the Sharon Stone of lunches.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
It's a perfect fun and you know, nutritional extravagance. I
love like ordering like an orange juice, like things that
you can get for much cheaper Alfresco simple things. Yeah,
I love Alfresco dining. I used to smoke like a

(01:03:16):
psycho and I and that's where I initially fell in
love with Alfresco dining, just to smoke in between courses
and sorry it's a shout out or a condo areno
all right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
And I love friends Alfresco. I love dining solo Alfresco.
I love chit chatting with the waiter slash waitress slash
whatever gender. And I love uh yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Love Alfresco.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I love that. God wow, to order an orange I
know exactly what you mean about like deciding that, yeah,
I'm going to pay six dollars for an orange juice
glass that they just is it literally yes? And it's
worth it because that is the experience of drinking the
freshly squeeze orange juice outside is literally worth six dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I will also say alfres not to be like classes
with the Alfresco dining, back to the shoutout, shout out
to like in and out Alfresco dining. Just like when
you take your your your anything outside picnics, sitting outside
the McDonald's, sitting on the curb having the taco Alfresco
works work.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Alfresco just means outside.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, I think dining outside.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah, well, now I've seen everything in Italian?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Yes, what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
What's the actual translation? Fresh to the I think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
It means outside al fresco to the fresh English it
means fresh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
It means fresh, means to the fresh, Yeah, which is experience.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, they knew exactly what they were doing with that
one when they named that one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Well, I mean, wait, no, I just want to say
little Translates says it means cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Mmmm hello, Hello, are you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
So much kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Bitches? Wait, so the epitome of cool, to answer our
initial inquiry is quite literally dining outing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I didn't even mind, you, guys, I'm just naturally cool crazy.
I thought it was just kind and low key.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Well yeah, no, it actually means and by the way,
al fresco I think literally means in the fresh air,
but but it also means in a different literal way cool.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Well it means cool, I means wow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
I mean your Greek. You understand alfresco.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
I get it more than anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, see, this has been an absolute delight. Yeah, thank
you so much for people once again about your show.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yes, so it's called It's My Sister. It's a one woman,
two sister. It's two sisters, one woman show. It's December
fourth through the seventh that we just added a show
on the seventh at five pm Pacific Standard. Please come.
There's more tickets available and their standby at all the dates.
So like calmbabes, it's going to be great, and I

(01:06:24):
really want to give this gift to you and to me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
My god, I'm so bummed I missed genuinely. I was like,
what if there's a way to make it work, and
there is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I think I'll just go do it on Broadway, like
next month, So I'm do it on Broadway.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
It on Broadway.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah, it'd be great, Okay, perfect, all right, see you
on Broadway.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Okay, bye, thank you, Love you.

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