"YouTube Celebrities & Controversies" w/ Ali Macofsky

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, it's say I'm here with a quick little announcement,
and that is that we are doing Stridia Lab live
back in New York City on Wednesday, April sixteenth at
the Bellhouse. Couldn't be more excited. It's a special editions
we're calling it Lesbio Lab, and we're discussing lesbian topics
with some of our incredible guests, including Sydney Washington, Andrew Longshu,

(00:41):
and Natalie Rodter Lateman. So the lineups to die for.
I haven't been back in New York in a few
months and I cannot wait. So please get tickets. They're
in our bios and we would love to see you there. Bye. Okay,
podcast starts now.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Hi George, Oh my god, I'm loving it here. Yeah,
well not quite, it is. Okay. First of all, I
would I'm I'm vowing not to say anything negative about
Los Angeles for a full calendar year because because of
because yes, because of everything Angelina's have been through. You know,
I have so much effects. It's very kind of thank you.
I have so much affection for the city of Los

(01:17):
Angeles despite all my negative associations with it. Okay, sure,
that said, What's the plan.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I want to go back to what you Aubredy have said, yes,
which is you know you have all these issues with
Los Angeles, and yet if you push tho aside, you
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And that's such an amazing way to view the world,
because pretty much anyone I have issue with, if you
take away all the issues I share them, I love
them to death. I have no problems with them at all,
as long as the problems are taken away.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Where's my thing with Los Angeles? Is? I actually like,
I genuinely love reading like cultural histories of Los Angeles,
and I like in the I think it's like one
of those things that I actually love in theory and
struggle with in practice. I genuinely like I am the
King of Didion, Eve bad Bets. Give me like Lana

(02:05):
like sure music about Los Ange's, films about Los Angers
like I am, I will eat it up. And then
I arrive and suddenly I'm like, wait, why am I
meeting like a music executive who is wearing like weird
designer birkenstocks And suddenly we're out to lunch and I
have to impress him.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
No. I think all those media sort of aggrandizings of
L A R. L. I no disrespect everything disrespected Jodon
John Didion. She was making stuff up.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Let's start knowing. Well, she was quite literally telling herself
stories to live.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But she was fully lying. She was living in malle
She was not chilling in East Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
She was something no one talks about. And she was
fully in Malibu, just.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Hanging out and being like, God, I love La. She
was like, no, you love Malibu.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Boki Cigrettes, not eating for five days out.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Of the drinking fully starting at noon and she's like, God,
this city is amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's like and they're like, God, she's so.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Right, she's so smart. I mean there, I literally have
not had a meal out in public that wasn't next
to someone talking about their like aspiring modeling, acting, music
career in a full calendar year. That can That can
do a lot to someone. I feared leaving my home
because you have to find a parking spot wherever you go.
Everywhere I go, I'm stranded there. There's there's no free fun.

(03:27):
You are just you are everywhere you go. You are
stuck and you are scared. And I think all these
people there needs to be new media about la you.
I need someone to romanticize, you know, the fact that
you have to go home because you couldn't find parking.
I need someone to romanticize, like you actually ubered to
get drinks with a friend where they drove, so you
wasted your uber money because you were actually planning on

(03:49):
getting four drinks where they were planning on getting one
and a half.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, you know nobody.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You know that show with Adam Brody.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm just supposed to know every show.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
No, Oh my god, this is Adam Brody, Like that's
why he's having a resurgence. Two podcasting sisters.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh, I haven't heard of this.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's I'm going to just keep describing it. This is
not this is not good footage.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Keep going well anyway about it.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'm just saying it's about two sisters that have a
podcast in the year twenty twenty four. So it's maybe
exactly what you're what the doctor ordered for you. I'm
it romanticizes Los Angeles in a way where you're actually
kind of like, maybe none of these people deserve to
have careers or jobs.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I just that I want to people need to
say whether or not we're ubering or driving.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Should we bring in our guest away in I think.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
We should, And because it's also starting to sound so
stereotypical podcasting that I think we need a new energy
in here.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I agree, and we're we've never been stereotypical in our lives.
Everything we do is unique, and everything we do is
unique and has never been done before.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah. So with that being said, please on the podcast
Alan Hi.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
The one really is you can't say anything on original? Okay,
are you from California?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm from Long Beach. Yeah. Oh yeah, So I feel
slightly disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
About romanticizing California and romanticizing Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think, Yeah, Lala Land did a pretty good job.
I would say I would agree. You know, they had
a full dance break musical number in the Los Angeles
traffic true?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
True? Ready do we claim lo lo Land? Do you
remember at the time when it was like Lala Land,
what you might be a Trump supporter if you like
I don't remember this, and some people were like, well,
if you like Lola Land, trump.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Supporter, My gosh, I don't remember that discourse of it.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It was an amazing time.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I have rewatched Lala Land somewhat recently and it's so good.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, it's actually good.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's like I have a boyfriend. Sorry, I just need
to certify this great this before discussing. But I like,
I want him to cry. I think that's every woman's
goal in a heterosexual relationship. Yes, I need to see
him cry. I want to know that there's emotions and depth.

(06:13):
And so when we first got together, I had him
watch Marley and Me because I'm like, that's like, that's sort.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Of basically emotional.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Not a good movie, but like you will cry. And
then you know, it had been some time since that.
So we put on Lalla Land and he did get
choked up.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, so I'm like, Okay, Lala Land is a great
movie for many reasons.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I feel like that is such a big part of
straight relationships. Is women once a month being like, let's
check a few his feelings again. Yeah, totally, because I'm
starting to get suspicious that he might not anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, it's almost like a scab like they over time,
they just do scab up and you have to like
break it off.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, you have to like remind them. Yeah, you have
to show them some pain in the world and be
like how does this make you feel?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
This is a test that because I feel like guys
are always like oh when women, you know, when you're
in a relationship, and women are are like, it's fine,
we know it's not fun. You just got to tell us.
And then I'll be like how is your day and
they're like good. So I'm like you don't give anything either.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I know.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's come on, let's do a little deeper.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's the comfort with like you know, it's this is
a cliche, but like guys will have friends that they
know nothing about and they are lifelong friends, or like
I would die for him, like I'm giving a speech
at his wedding, do not know a single thing about him?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, I'm starting to get into this territory with some people. Yeah,
where now it's like like going out friends. I feel
like I have people that I know simply from like
we go to the same bar on Friday, and I'll
like see them on Friday and it's like I don't know.
Sometimes I'll live in forget the name. If it's been
a month, yeah, I'll be like oh and hi, and

(07:48):
it's like at what point do we I don't know
if I want to take to the next level and
at what point should I.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think that's fine. I talked to my therapist about this. Yeah,
there's like you can have little friend circles. So there's
like the really close circle, and then there's like the
acquaintin circle, and then there's maybe bar friend circle. Like
there's different circles. Not everyone needs to be at the
same level.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, I think what you're saying is, yes, not everyone
needs to be the same level. And then the issue
with the strake I think is that then, but that's
their closest friends. Oh that's a good Yeah, She'll be
like that's my best friend.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
My well, my my boyfriend, one of his closest friends
from growing up is getting married having a wedding. My
boyfriend has been asked to be one of the best groomsmen,
best men, whatever it's called. And my boyfriend's like, so
he he couldn't be. He's like, I don't want to go.
And I'm like, that's your one of your closest friends.

(08:44):
But I think guys just don't have that connection to
friendships where it's like, oh, this is an important thing.
They're like, and now I have to go to this wedding,
Like it's just an errand like, you know, is it is.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It an inconvenient wedding especially.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You know, yeah, it's it's a nation wedding. It's it's
a bit of an inconvenience. But it's like he's getting married.
You gotta go, you gotta suck it up.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it's funny because the stereotype, it's like, okay, man
won't see the point of it. But then the stereotype
of the sexist stereotype of course of a woman is
like she's excited to go and also do emotional warfare
at the destination wedding.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, I won't be able to make the wedding, so.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Because it's inconvenient, No, we're not going to go without him.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Wait, he's going to go.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
He's going.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
He just doesn't want to, yes, yea, yeah, but you
can't go.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
But now I can't go, which I was like, i
was happy. I don't even know this guy very well,
and I'm like, come on, babe, it's a trip. We'll
make it, you know a thing. But yeah, yeah, guys,
guys friendships straight man's friendships are very disconnected.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
There is something it's a very specific experience to be
a plus one at a wedding where you're hearing all
these people say such emotional and intimate things and you
just have to nod along and it means nothing.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
For you, but it kind of means everything.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Because because you're sort of like watching them, because.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
It is so like loving. It's like I'm watching a
movie and I'm still invested in your life.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Wow, I actually need to go to a wedding where
I know the people even less. I think that would
be really helpful because I want to test this theory
because I've been to weddings where I'm like, yeah, I've
like seeing you like twice a year over eight years,
but like we're never really close, but I still like
know a little too much to lose myself. Like it's
almost like being friends with an actor and you like

(10:35):
see their movie and you're like, well, I still know
it's John, Yeah. Whereas I want to almost see a
full stranger's wedding and see if I can lose myself
in it.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think for sure, because I think even more so
than someone you know, because if I if one of
my friends was getting married, I'd be like she'd be
saying her vows and they'd be beautiful and I'd be
like she was talking about him last month. I know
what the real tea is.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
That is really complicated because and I hate when weddings
they lean too much into the deprecation and they're like,
and Todd is such a fucking loser and he's lucky
he got me because I hate but there needs to
be a balance, and it's really hard to hit that balance.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
There's a comic in New York so if Hiphelton, and
they have a joke about how the premises that you
should be able to buy tickets to any wedding, like
it should just be on Live Nation, and like if
you want to go, you should go, and it can
be expensive, but like, if you want to you should go.
And I think it's one of the most brilliant premises
I've ever heard, because it's like it really is so true,
Like I actually it is meant to be an entertaining

(11:38):
theater piece, and I should be able to go to
like someone I sort of stalk online's wedding if I
want to, I don't have to make myself known, like
I could be very sort of way in the back.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Of course, and obviously the family would get like a
VIP section maybe exactly, maybe open bar for them.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And by the way, you recoup the funds. I mean,
weddings are expended. If you sell tickets, then you can
even make a profit.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I meant that's get that social media numbers up, and
you can the.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Social media numbers up. We have people we can introduce
you to for short form video content. They do great,
great stuff over at iHeart. I just think, I mean,
and you don't have to, like, if you want to
be sort of like a let I you can do
a non social media, non ticketed wedding.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, if you like hate the public, yeah, total hiding something.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Are you getting married?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
No? No, I think if I were to get married,
I would do like a little elopement. Yeah, I feel
like a little elopement is cute. My grandma got eloped,
which is like so fierce.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I love got eloped.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
She eloped. I mean it is kind of one of
those old school loves where all of a sudden you
just got eloped. Yeah, but she eloped in Vegas, which
is like because now she's like ninety somethings, just when
she was.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Young, Yes, okay, yeah, I was like, maybe she's like
has like this third act where she like fell in
love in her eighties.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
No, but I just love that, like back in the
day when everyone's kind I feel like back in the day,
everything was way more traditional. So the fact that she
eloped in Vegas is real fierce pretty punk rock. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah. My grandmother, when we were younger, would sometimes let
it slip that she was like very I'm trying to
say this in respectful way, that in her village in
Greece she was very popular as a woman. Yeah, go
with my grandfather.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Interesting, And then we were also like, okay, like what
is what is the most progressive and way to respond
to this?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah? Can I ask what type of language does she
used to say this?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I think it's more like I think it's literally like
along the lines of what I'm saying, like I was
very popular with the boys or something.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, my grandma aged about having giant boobs, and that's
why my grandpa really loved her.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, well that'll do it. Yeah, giant boobs, Vegas elopement.
I mean, she's kind of a queen.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I know. I'm like kind of sad that I only
know her as an old woman, because I'm like, I
want to go out with you, girl, you seem fun.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
It is crazy that we're now full fledged adults and
we're still like figuring out that our parents and grandparents
used to be young.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, totally well, and it's even worse now that I've
like nieces and nephews. I'm like, oh, no, you're only
gonna know me as like the old guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I am trying to do this joke right now about
how frustrating frustrating it is to become an aunt or
an uncle or something, because no one asks you if
you're ready. You don't, like, Yeah, when my sisters were like,
we're having a baby, I'm like, you weren't going to
ask me, Like, I'm not ready to become an aunt.
Like now I have to watch my life go by

(14:53):
through the lens of your children growing up. It's horrifying.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's it is horrifying because even like now, my like
nephew is like three, and I'm like, whoa, but I
haven't changed much in the last three years. Yeah, I
think that's not fair. And there's no shouldn't that shouldn't
be reflected.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Back in me.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, And there's no like, like parents have so many
books on how to be a good parent, and I'm like,
I need a book. I don't know how to be
an aunt. I feel like a deadbe aunt. Am I
supposed to get them gifts? Every time I see them?
How often do I talk to them? Do they even
registered to me on FaceTime? Like, what's the best way
to like be an active aunt in their life?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
The way that you can make it your own does
actually stress me out. I wish there was a set
of rules, yeah, because I'm even like, do you like
I'm almost like waiting to be told, like I want
my sister to be like, no, get them presents, because
right now I'm like, well that would be I would
be annoyed if I if you guys like had a
bunch of junk now, because every time I saw you, you
got a toy.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
But then when I show up empty handed, I'm like,
you guys hate me, You guys hate me. I'm being
a bad job.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Really.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The way we live truly at hebnute walk from our
niece and so we see her all the time. But
every time I walk in empty handed, I know it's
in my head, but I can almost see my sister
in law being like, oh so you just sort of
can't shut up, not even like a little onesie or
sort of like a little a little toy or stuffed animal.

(16:15):
There is an expectation that you should be which if
she's listening, I don't actually think that, but there's an
expectation that like every that like your job as uncle
or aunt is like to produce presents.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, and speaking of the if you're listening, I don't
mean any of this. I actually do want to address this.
I texted you about this. Yeah, we're not a place
where you want to be critiqued. This new thing, this
is my new thing that I actually think is really smart.
I think in the same way that no one asks
for consent whether you want to be an aunt or uncle.

(16:46):
No one's no one's asking me if I'm ready to
be critiqued, And I'm not always ready to be critiqued.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Like in what sense I can comment on.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
When there is a video that was boasted of us
where we say something about how off and lesbians we
know fall into mask and femme dynamics. Yeah, and so,
as you might imagine in the comments, there is an army,
a militaristic army of lesbians that are telling us to
read queer history.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Wow, literally just being like it's called a book, read one,
and it's like enough, Like and then I've seen this
comment like at least twelve times now, and I'm like,
how many more people are going to say, read a
book on queer history? Like, first of all, I'm not
going to. Second of all, like that's not a note
you can just give someone on Instagram. Like it's also

(17:36):
like I'm just like be mad like but like just like,
I don't know, find a private place to do it.
I'm not in a place where I want to be critiqued.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
How do you feel? What is your relationship to critique?

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I think I used to be really bothered by it,
and I don't know when or how it happened, but
I'm like, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I sort of been the same way. I've reached to
point of zen about it where I almost see it
as like I'm watching a reality show in the comments section,
and I'm like, ooh, there's a new character, and like
her thing is that she's actually commenting like this to
every existing comment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I mean I've looked up all these people, every single one.
I know where they live, I know what their deal is.
I am not so you know how Like we've talked
about how people don't have like internet media literacy especially
and they'll post something really.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Stupid like only people that do actually, And.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
So when people people post something like share this to say,
Mark Zuckerberg, you can't have my data. Yeah, Like I'm
ready to make a if any graphic designers are out there,
I want a blurry graphic that says share this if
you are not in a place to be critiqued. If
you share this photo, you are not allowed to be.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
No comments, no questions concerned.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
There's also something it does about me to where it's
like the same. The way that it's the same comment
is like you have to look at what's already been
said and be like, oh, that's that's been taking.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think you need to I think you need to
lean into it and start posting more controversial clips. So
then that way, there's just so many critiques that you
are like, well, I just I personally cannot take critique, so.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I agree with you. But Sam doesn't want to do that.
But then when we do it, you get married. I
like literally wants to Sam is like I liked it
at first.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I liked like four when there were four comments I
was like, I'm in heaven, but there were twenty comments.
I was like, no, no, no, can I say.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Is better than exactly, there's way more personal twenty It's like, oh,
they're just repeating each other.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
And that's when and also to feel like bots.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It just start to feel like.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
And someone sees that there's already a bunch of comments,
it feels less personal for them too. They're like, and
this is I mean, I hate to say, but we
are also I mean, not that you and I are
commenting on I never commented, I know, but like when
something is suddenly, when something has more traction, it feels
more faceless, and it's it might as well be like
a clip from local news or something that's like going viral.

(20:08):
I guess, okay, here's what I think is happening. We
are so obsessed with telling other people they don't have
internet literacy, but then when things like this happened to us,
that happened to everyone, were suddenly like, I'm sorry, why
am I being a dad? Well?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
There is something where I'm like, we've always stayed in
our general pool, like everyone that likes our podcast like to.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Have a guest and be like talking at you.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think it's almost like a therapist sort of witnessing
and being able to Yeah. But I think like before
we've been in and this is what I said was
good before, where I said like this. With this clip,
I feel like we're letting go of the wall in
the pool and we're kind of going into the defense.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
But that's good because say, for every if you're opening
the pool or whatever, more people are saying this that
aren't in the group. That means like for everyone shady comment,
that's like maybe at least one to one ratio of
one new person being like, oh, I kind of like this,
But they're not going to because because no one comments

(21:11):
anything normal or boring, no one's gonna comment I like this.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
They're gonna be like yes, We're like fuck, it's like
the silent, the silent normal majority.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
And this is across the board. This is actually, this
is all the listeners out there. I am issuing the
spread love challenge.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
You watch a video and you say this is good
and you want to spread some love, comment this is
good period.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
See, but then you have to reverse psychology. This is
what you have to You have to reverse psychology and
be like no, bring it, give me your harshest thing,
because when you allow people to say me and stuff,
then they're going to go so easy because now it's like, well,
this isn't fun anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's true, Okay, lesbians hit us with everything you've got,
recommend that literature in a way that we could never
ever imagine.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
We are not in a fight with lesbians with this post.
We are, I mean, we can't. My final word personally
on this is just like we amplify queer women's voices
so often, and are they It's like the people we
love the most are queer women and it hurts so

(22:24):
much to say them turned on us.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh this is a good clip.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah yeah, Oh my god, you're thinking you want you
want this to happen again.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Wait, but what was the original clip? Just that there's
mask and fem and then people Definitely.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
We're definitely being like flippant with our judgments and we
know that we're being very much like, oh god, we
can't go into it again. We're being just like we
had Lisa Trey Rond and Lisa was like you know,
I know many lesbian couples had fall into mask fem norms.
And then we are being like, yeah, it's crazy that
many lesbians we know fall into mask feminoids, which, by
the way, so do like gay guys do too. They're

(23:01):
just like sort of gi guys are just like dumber
than Lesbiant.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Said this, I have a couple's therapists. Is that straight culture?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
It's hard to tell.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's hard to tell, but my my couple's therapists because
I'm like, oh, you know the norms blah blah blah,
male female and she's like, no, this comes up a
lot in my time sex couple. So shout out to
Laura for confirming this.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, shout out to Laura.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, shout out to And that's actually the final word
on this is shout out to Laura.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Should we do it for a segment?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I think we should do it for a segment.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Our first segment is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment,
we test your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture
by asking you a series of rapid fire questions where
you have to choose one thing or another thing. It's
sort of our shack test to see how your mind's
are working. Okay, and the one rule is you can't
ask any follow up questions about how the game works,
because if you do, We're going to be really mad
at you. Don't try to look for logic.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Okay, So I just said that's a question.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's a question. Okay, Okay, hold on, I have to
find them, Okay. Ally, a cloudy day or a poudy day.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
A cloudy day, Rylo Kylie or Riley Keo.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Riley Keo?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Whoa a new season of White Lotus or a new
reason to fight potus.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
A new reason to fight yay?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
The Woke Mind virus or the folk music Resurgence, Oh
the yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Totally mm, because I don't know if I'm liking these
or not, like the Woke Mind virus went the ya?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah? Okay, Recommending a book or complimenting a cook, complimenting
a cook.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Skipping leg day or dipping to Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Dipping, skipping leg Day, subscribing to a sub stack, or
whining after a.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Nut tap, whining after a nut tap.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
A professionally trained ballerina, or a suspiciously blood stained pashmina.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Ooh, suspiciously blood stained pashmina. Wow, what do you guys
think about?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay, So we let's rank our guest performance on a
scale of zero to one thousand doves, and I actually
think that was a really good performance.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think that was an amazing performance. There was there
was wonder, there was natural curiosity, there was confidence, but
not arrogance.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You were a woman in the beginning of a rom
com who is like, everything is going really well in
her life, but there's one thing missing. Like you had
a natural air of curiosity about you. You there was
so much happening behind your eyes. It was you were
giving a really great, grounded performance and it made me think, like,

(25:52):
I want to know what makes this girl tick?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Wow, thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
So i'd say eight hundred and twenty three three doves.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I love being talked about just like I'm like, wow,
keep going. What else?

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well, you know I told you this before we were recording,
but your hair is like so like beautiful and like
it's actually very Los Angeles woman.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
You know now that you're saying that, it makes so
much sense. But I had no idea you were a
West Coast.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah. People think I'm like maybe some sometimes people say Midwest,
sometimes people say Southern. But I think it's because I
kind of mumble.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
But there are handsome a California accents. Now I'm hearing
not like, not super intense. It's not like Valley Girl.
But there's a California cadence that I am familiar with.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Okay, I guess here's here's the weird thing that doesn't
make sense. How Okay, I'm gonna spell a word. You
say it, okay, f O U N t A I
N fountain fountain, I say fountain, fountain.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Fountain, mountain, fountain fountain. Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
And then like my boyfriend makes fun of me because
me and my mom and my sister say, I guess
we say milk.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Oh, that's such a Yeah, that's the very But I
feel like that's like mid Atlantic. That's like marill into
my mind.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know so that. But everyone
in my family, like my parents, that everyone's like California.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I recently realized I've been saying scars instead of scarce whoa,
and no one has ever corrected me whoa, even though
I obviously have heard other people say that way.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think that's a great sign of who you are
that people just go he knows what, Yeah, he knows.
I'm surely I'm the wrong one here.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, maybe or maybe they're like, really fucking goes against
scars Jesus.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I guess I've never heard you say that word. Yeah,
what what was the moment they clicked?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
My husband corrected me. Really, he said, if you want
to stay in this marriage, better learn how to say
now that.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Now that it's locked down, I can finally be honest. Yeah,
you say this wrong.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I also do struggle with saying the word singer, yeah,
singer that I think that's how I'm supposed to say it,
But I get really kind of like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, singer, singer. I love when people say singer. Yeah
I sing Saying singer is so like you are like
a mother of two, but you still think you've like
got a shot at making it. Yeah, America's got talent,
and you're like being interviewed and you're like, I've just

(28:35):
always wanted to be a singer.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
I feel like now you're saying it, I'm like, it's
a bad word, Like it doesn't but it doesn't singer singer.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Be a Yeah, it's a bad word, as in it's
a slur or it's a bad word.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Like depending on who's singing, who's.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Singing, If you yourself are a singer, you can say singer, but.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think it's just a weird word.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
But it's a bad word.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Oh yeah, singer, it's not right, No, it doesn't. There's
no flow.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'm thinking of. Okay, so like bringer, like I'm.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Anything with the g is that it's not got to
flow or I guess you.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Know, it does work though, finger finger.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Kind of finger finger, because you would never say finger finger.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
No, finger finger. Yeah, that actually that's so true.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It was one of those words that's like that is
exactly what that is meant to be finger finger, which
growth finger already kind of gross and witchy. And then
of course the disgusting term fingering, like of.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Course that term it's got a ring to ring.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
There's there's no way to be elegant while saying the
term fingering it.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Because it's always juvenile. If you were getting fingered, you're
like in my like everyone's getting fingers, getting fingered.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
But you can't be like you know, Julie Andrews and
be like, oh I.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Was fingered, but it's not for her.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
It's not for her. She's British.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
People have a different word for fingering. Oh, I'm sure
they need one.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, they're like I was digitized. Oh, actually, I'm gonna
start saying digitized and I was digitized.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, I think I think that jacking off is a
horrible I agree.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Here's a question for you. Yeah, did you grow up
with jacking off or jerking off?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't know, I don't know. I feel like I
wasn't doing much of that growing up, and I'm and
I wasn't part of the dialogue around.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
You remove yourself from that conversation.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I feel like, though, like if I'm trying to remember
being a teen, I feel like everyone was probably jerking off.
I feel like jerking was more.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I'm like trying to like go back to childhood remember
up with jacking.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
But then I actually think after I came out, jerking
became more among the guys. Next year. Oh but I
think even even like it's like, you know, it's like
the difference between dick and cock.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Cok has a more like sexy connotation, and I think
jerk versus jack also has that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, jack and cock both just sound more aggressive.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, I've heard of jack and coke, but jack and
cock and cock? Yeah we should Okay, okay, So what
is your topic today? And you know what is roughly
straight about it to you?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Okay, so so many crossed my mind, but I guess
something that I feel like is a very straight concept
is like YouTube celebrities and YouTube controversies. Yeah, so, I
mean the main one being anything surrounding Breonna Chicken Fry,

(31:47):
I E. Zach Bryan, I E. Barstool, I E. Dave Portnoy.
I feel like that universe, in the kind of mainstream
YouTube universe is pretty straight.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, I would have to agree. It's even when you
first suggested this topic, I was like Brianna Chicken Fry Like,
I was like, what does that mean? I've never heard
of this? And then I had to go back and
be like, wait, I did hear about this on the
only straight podcast I listened to, And even still I
didn't understand it. And they talk about it all the time,
and I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
The thing with so, I'm the same way with a
uneekly they talk about Brianna Chicken Fry a lot and
the way I quite literally love those both of those
girls to death, But I as soon as the name
is mentioned, I ton it. I cannot physically pay.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Atten because I think the name in it of itself. Yes,
chicken fry. It's not her real last name for anyone
who doesn't know, it's a name that she gave herself.
And even that is like, what's something that guys will
get into, Like, my name's Brianna. I'm a girl, but
if I say chicken fry, then guys might open their
ears a little.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's amazing, I'm a girl.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But it's also there is something so transcendent about it
because to me, Brianna chicken Fry is quite literally like
what a drag name would be if there were no
gay people ever, Like it's like it is a it
is a completely It's like if a bunch of straight
men and straight women got together and they were like,
let's think of a drag name. No gay people are
allowed to weigh in, they will come up with, specifically Brianna,

(33:18):
like that would be the first name, Brianna chicken Fry.
And there is something actually so beautiful about that, Like
it's almost like you know, when you watch something so
like aggressively kind of browie like the Hangover movies or something,
you have to really respect how amazing of a document
it is, like it is so beautiful that we live
in a world with Brianna chicken fry. Yeah, I could

(33:39):
have never thought of that.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
And it's balanced. You know, you need Brionna chicken fry
so you can get you know, a Tricia paid us
like a balance.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well, what is the chicken fry controversies?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
So, I don't know. I mean it goes deep. I mean,
first of all, you're a stool. You know, your boss
is Dave Portnoy. He's gonna kind of puppeteer the way
he does. And so Brianna chicken Fry. The initial main
controversy was she got into a relationship with this country boy,

(34:14):
Zach Bryan, and Zach Bryan was in a relationship, so
their relationship started off with this like what's the timeline
did they get together before?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Is there any cheating whatever? So the relationship was already
kind of doomed from the beginning, and then throughout the
course of the relationship, Brian is like becoming a roadie
for her man. She is going on tour, she is,
you know, supportive at all the venues. It's never a
good sign when she's like making TikTok videos being like

(34:47):
you want to come to the show, like you're so sweet,
it's like, don't be promoted, like you're not the promoter. Yeah.
And then she kind of started dressing and acting like
his ex girlfriend. Yeah. So there were kind of some
like you know videos side by side being like she's

(35:09):
wearing the same hat that the ex girlfriend would always wear.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh, and that was perceived as shade.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
No, it was like it was like it was like
she's trying to she's trying to like be the ex
like something. Maybe maybe it's like it's like girlfriend, sorrya
sent sorry, talk about the brown and chicken fry.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Of of her time. It's like how she is Kim Yeah. Yeah,
I mean the difference, of course is that she's not
really in control, but go on.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah. So then the relationship comes to a screeching halt,
and once again Zach Brian has maybe moved on during
the relationship, but also it comes out that he is
potentially kind of abusive a little bit, and not I
don't think physically, but I think emotionally and all the

(36:04):
other non physical thing ways that you can be abusive psychologically.
And so everyone's kind of back on team Brianna because
for a while everyone was like she's doing too much,
she's you know, losing herself and then you know, she
comes out, she says these things about Zach. One of
her best friends who she does her podcast with, Grace O'Malley,

(36:27):
is defending her. She's like, you know, helping her out,
being a good friend. So everyone's in Brionna's Everyone's like
team Brianna at this point because they're like, she went
through a lot, we don't know what it was like,
all past is forgiven. But then Brianna turns her back
on her best friend Grace, and so now everyone's like,

(36:50):
F Brianna. We're team Grace and F Zach, Bryan and Brianna.
Because Brianna, the stuff that she was saying about Zach,
all the bad stuff she was saying about Zach, she
was doing the exact same thing to her best friend Greg.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
She was gaslighting.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, She's like, I brought Grace out to New York
to do this podcast with me, and she's not thankful,
and it's like, that's exactly what you were saying about Zach.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
There's something so beautiful about the crowd sort of at
the end of the day finding the truth. It's like,
first they didn't like him, then they didn't like her.
Then they had the swim where they were like, oh right,
they both suck.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's a nice narrative, it's.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
An end, and in fact we support the woman, the
supporting actress in the scenario, which is Grace O'Malley.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yes, everyone is lifting her up.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes we are, and I want to join them in
lifting up Grace O'Malley.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
You know, George, nothing's ever over, and who knows what
manipulative things has come out as having done.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
As a wise woman doesn't mean it's really over and
it's never okay. So I have many thoughts about this.
To me, something that is very straight about almost like
either YouTuber or creator drama is that I I think,

(38:08):
in my experience the drama stems from very like almost
conservative heteronormative values. It's always about like it's about cheating,
it's about marriage, it's about like this very sort of
antiquated idea of like properness, like was this a proper
thing to do? You know what I mean? Like it's
never that someone you know, what's like a gay scandal,

(38:31):
Like it's like it's like.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Okay, scandal is like someone's tumbler from twenty years ago
came out and they were like crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, sure, sure, it's because Okay, of course the exception
to all of this.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
That we have is that someone stole someone's dancers.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yes exactly, which that has nothing to do with Okay,
So here's what it is. I actually think loyalty related things.
I think on the one side you have faith, like
being faithful, monogamy, gender dynamics probably, and on the other
side you have non gendered loyalty. Non gender loyalty is gay,

(39:10):
and then like marriage and cheating and stuff is straight. Yeah,
so I which is why I think. Of course, the
big exception everything we're saying is the James Charles and
Tati drama, because that was all about loyalty between a
straight woman and a gay man.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
But that sort of is like the exception that proves
a rule. It's like, we had one big gay scandal
and they actually crushed it so hard that we never
need to have another one again. And since then, people
like Briann and Chicken Fry have been trying to capture
that magic well.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I feel like maybe with like Tati and James,
there's like so many layers to it, with Tati being
an older woman, James being a young young man at
the time, and then like James's own controversies, whereas I
feel like with a Brionna Chicken Fry, everything's just very
much like this in this like it's all very chronological. Yeah,

(40:03):
and like yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Know, there's something about it too that feels straight where
it's about that's like a small town drama, like it's
something yeah you like looking in on, like oh that
that family actually they actually have trouble and they well
they're getting divorced actually, and whisper whisper, And there's something
where it's like, we don't have towns anymore, there's no

(40:26):
community anymore, so we have to find our small town
drama in the weird YouTube celebrity.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Our small villages are like YouTube communities that are like
the beauty community, the barstool sports community, and then we
all get to be bell in Beauty and the Beast,
like prancing around with our book.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I wonder too if it's like because people like Brown
and Chicken Fry, who are like very public facing, like
influencer and not celebrities, we knows we're seeing so much
of them and we are invited to be a part
of their lives, and so we analyze it. We're analyzing

(41:03):
it so much deeper because it's almost like a close
friend or family member, whereas like someone like you know,
Taylor Swift and Katy Perry's dancers, we don't know very
much about them personally, so we're like, and that's the
dramas the dancers. Yeah, but if Katy Perry were to
post all the time, we'd have so much more to say.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, it's it's There are sort of like three types
of dramas one can follow in this day and age.
H One is traditional celebrity news it's like Taylor Swift whatever.
One is reality show where it's like one step below,
where yes they're not real celebrities, but they are on television.
They're like fully in traditional media. And then the third
is this what we're talking about here, which is like

(41:45):
creator drama.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, you would think you would think creators all will
be gay. I know.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's what I'm struggling with.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's like, but I think we underestimate how popular this
stuff is in straight culture.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I think that's a big part of it, which is
something that we are struggling with in general. Like, I
genuinely like someone like Joe Rogan, who is like the
biggest podcaster ever. Like I'm like, I don't know a
single person who listens to him, and that is like bizarre.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, It's like how Stranger Things is the biggest television
show ever and I don't know anyone who watches it,
And I'm like, I really want to believe my own worldview,
but it doesn't reflect what the world actually is. Yeah,
I think that. I think gay people. I think gay
people clip this regardless of who is numbers wise most popular.

(42:37):
I think gay people are drawn to glamour, like they
want the A list celebrity they want, they want the
pop star, they want like the diva, whereas I think
straight people are attracted to the more like everyday village
type thing. Wow, don't you think like that's really interesting? Actually,
Like I think I think it is gayer to care

(42:58):
more about people that are less reachable, people that are
more glamorous and distant, because you want the mythology and
you want the like the sort of like magic of it.
And when you when I see some random creator, I
actually actually sort of makes me sad. I'm like, ugh,
they're like trying so hard to be famous unlike Lady Gaga,

(43:20):
who was born famous. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, well, and I feel like I don't know if
this has crossed over into any sort of gay TikTok culture,
but like the rise of tradwives, it's like, I feel
like straight culture is like lifting something up and then
tearing it down because it's like all of us we
are watching these tradwives being like, oh my god, I
love she makes pies from scratch and has eggs and

(43:45):
chickens and whatever. But then it's like, but she, but
her husband is she she actually is doing this, and
it's like, yeah, she's showing us what she's doing. It's
like we fall very easily for things where it's like
we'll see a trodwife and be like, oh, this is
a performance, whereas gay people see Beyonce and they're like

(44:07):
that's a performance. We see a trodwife and we're like,
she's putting on a show, and then we realized, no.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Okay, she's just genius, because I think you're also okay.
Another great difference between gay straight is like the gay
weight to view something is as a performance and the
straight way to view it is literal, so you are
more likely to get invested in Brianna Chicken Fry's literal
day to day life, whereas a gay person sees that
and is like, oh, she's being sort of like cheeky

(44:38):
and funny because she's like getting on a podcast and
talking about her life in this like meta way or whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Waiting that actually makes so much sense in terms of
like when Lady Gaga was first like coming up and like,
you know, my parents are just like straight people in
general are like why is she wearing meat? Like like, oh,
does she have a penis or whatever it is? She's
satan Like she's bleeding out of her stomach at the VMA.

(45:04):
So it's like, yeah, it's like everything is very well as.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Gay people are like, first of all, pause up.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Monstrous.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, Like it's like gay people are. When she's showing
up wearing a meat dress made of literal meat, nob
a person is like what kind of meat is that?
And where did you get it?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
There's something So I was, you know, listening to our
dear friend Sophie Bottle on Mark Marin and she talked
about tall poppy syndrome, which I had never heard of
me neither. I love so tall poppy syndrome. She said,
it's like a Canadian thing where like if you aren't
you should they discourage you from being a tall poppy.
They want you to be the same height as all
the other poppies. So if you're a tall poppy, they'll

(45:43):
cut you. And so she's like, I went to America
because I wanted to be a tall poppy and like
in Canadian, in Canada, they would cut you down. And
so like there's something here where straight people still have
like tall poppy syndrome, like they like their celebs to
match them, like that's a normal person, whereas like when
Lady Gaga wants to be crazy, gay people are like

(46:04):
that's good. Finally that tall poppy.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I mean, all of this relates back to like the
concept of relatability. For example, like the the idea the
appeal of a quote unquote girl next door is a
very straight thing. It's like very straight to be like
I'm turning on my TV and what I want is
someone that looks like the girl next door to me,
or is the caper is turning on the TV and
is like, if she doesn't have literally five breasts and

(46:29):
she's breastfeeding a guinea pig on each one, I'm turning
this off, and I.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Wonder if this, like, I mean, maybe this goes, but okay,
I'm putting on my smart hat or maybe my.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Stupid hat when you're getting dressed.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yes, and I feel the same in both, But I
think I wonder if because societally, it's safer as a gay, queer,
whatever person to blend in, stay safe, don't break the mold,
don't be a tall poppy, just fit in, level out.
So then when you see someone like like Lady Gaga,
you're like, she represents all of us. It's safe for

(47:05):
her to be big and bold, and I get to
stay here and support that, whereas like a straight person,
it's like everyone can be the tallest spotpy ever, like
who cares whatever, Like you know what I mean, Like,
it's not dangerous for me to wear a meat dress.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I see, yes, So it's not empowering. When you see
someone in a meat dress, you're you're not empowered by
it because you're like, yeah, I could do that any day.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Girl. Me just a little uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
All It's like.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
There's already enough judgments from society about just existing as
a gay person, so when you see someone existing in
this crazy loud big way like defiant. Yeah, it's it's
better than a Brionn a Chicken Fry who's just wearing like,
you know, dunem short shorts and going to country concerts.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Right because Brianna Chicken Fry could potentially bully you.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
She is she could.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
You never know where you stand with her, whereas someone
in a meat dress. You're like, well, you're even weirder
than I am.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, I'm like curious. I'm because the world is so vast.
Of course, I'm like, there is there are gay people
that are like I listened to Brianna Chicken Fry every
single week, and I would love to know what those
people are like.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
See, but that's what I was Any topic I thought
of bringing in, I'm like, okay, but definitely there's like
a gay audience for this. But with brown and chicken Fry,
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Where No, I mean I think you literally count them
on one hand.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah yeah, I mean they're all going to write in
now they.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Want I want this clip. I want you to comment
read a book.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Oh my god, I would love a round table of
gay barstool listeners, like gay guys specifically.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Well, so there is a podcast on barstool with two
gay men as the host.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So that's why.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
But but even still, because it's at barstool, Well, I'm like,
they're just filling a quota. It doesn't feel like they
genuinely wanted that at barstool. But they're like, oh, these
are the most inoffensive gay men. I've done their podcast.
They're great, But I'm like, do they feel welcomed in
this environment? I'm glad that they have it, but do

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they like being there?

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah? Like when that was announced, was there like shit
talking comments?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I wonder.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
If I know anything stupid smart? How looks so similar?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Wow? What if we got acquired by barstool?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
That would be so iconic?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That would be iconic. Okay, I'm trying to think of
other Well.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
I'm gonna I'm gonna rattle offs of like YouTube ish
like not famous but famous straight things. Okay, So we
have brown and chicken fry, obviously, we have Barstool as
an umbrella. We have I to Alex.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Cooper of course, call your daddy.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Oh everyone's yelling at me.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I'm actually i have to say, I'm still shocked about
your Nobody wants this ignorance. And now now God is
telling me to.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Read a book.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That I'm like, you don't support female podcasts.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Oh yeah, what's your favorite Call Your Daddy episode?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
The one with Kamala Woke Mind?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Virus Virus.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Also The Paul Brothers, Yes, Paul, Yeah, the streamer Sinnat.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh sure, The Paul Brothers is a big one. And
actually I feel there was a moment so I watched
the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight. Yeah, And there was
a moment when I was watching that where I was
like I almost like left my body. Trump had just
got elected like a week earlier, and I almost left

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my body and was like, this is a actual shift
in culture, Like there is something about the fact that
suddenly literally everyone is on Netflix watching this like extremely
depressing and dark event that was started because a like

(51:24):
YouTuber turned whatever. Boxer is like challenging someone who was
like a part of pop culture forty years ago and
now is like sort of washed up and blah blah blah.
And then Jake Paul One in his speech was like
America's back, y'all. I can feel it. Yeah, I just

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felt such a It's like every thought left my mind
and I was like, we have to reinvent the playbook
because what we're doing is not working.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Here, folks. Damn, that's a bummer.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
You know what I mean. Like, and I almost think,
actually I almost think that that fight was like the
epitheosis of YouTuber drama. It's like we took it to
the farthest level we could take it to. Was a
Netflix streamed boxing match between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul.

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You know what I mean. It's almost like that's like
the oscars of this world.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, speaking of oscars, I think Hawktuition have her own movie.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Talk. Well, she's actually not doing her podcast anymore because
there was so much.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Big quin scincin. I love it, and it's not her fault.
She's working with the goddamn Paul brothers. Talk to innocent, innocent,
and you know what, I think she's just around the
wrong people. I think she's got a good, big heart.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Well, I think she's got a great big heart.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
You guys are insane.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
She loves animals. She's from a small little town.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Actually this has been forced upon her, as if you know,
you know, say say straight.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Pature got to her because she made a very funny, silly,
little blow job joke and guys grow The Rise of
Hawktua is a straight male event. Watching that as a woman,
I'm like, oh ha ha, like funny guys are like, oh.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah, cool, Yeah, this is what you're saying. Is another
example of like performance versus like interpreting something as a
performance versus interpreting it as literal reality. It's like Hawktua,
if things were right in the world, we would all
just be like, you go, girl, Like what a funny
thing to say, and like, you know, okay, let's make

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some merch and let's get you you know, there's a
hawk to a Halloween cost and bab blind and then
we can all move on. But then the literal way
is then people debating like what that looks, like how
do you actually spit on a spit on it? And
like does that mean that she's like slutty? And like
what is her? How do you feel about like hawk
to It's it's like, immediately take any fun out of it.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I knew it was over when both of my brother
in law's had referenced it and I was like, this
shouldn't have gotten to you. Yeah, I do. I also
think that Street interviews, aside from Billy Eichner and like
that guy Chris Clement. I think in general, just people
being like gay sun her thought daughter, that's very strict.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
No, it's so I'm actually frustrated with it because like
Billy Eikner did it so well and it was like
comedic and good, and then like now it's like literally
everyone is doing it and no one is trying to
do anything comedic with it at all. They're just like
I just want to be on a camera holding a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Because Billy is the funny person in the Man on
the Street, whereas these people like the Hawk Toua, she
was the funny person, not the guy. I said, no
one knows the person who put the microphone in her face,
because there there's no brain behind that. It's the people talking.
Everyone's just relying on other people for their content.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
But did you guys see the clip where she was
like talking to people.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I gotta go, I love that so much, so funny,
and then they didn't hear from her for weeks.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
That's what you got to say in the comments when
people like read a book like.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
In the morning, Okay, so funny.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Maybe it's like this interview thing. It's almost like on
one end of the spectrum we have girls gone wild
literally predatory men asking drunk women to take their clothes off,
and then on the other side of it, we have
like Jimmy what's his name, Oh my god, Martin Schwartz
k oh yeah, yeah, Jimmy Click, which is like he's
he's the butt of the joke and you got it,

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like Jimminy Glick. Gay girls gone wild straight, Yeah, the
interviewer has to There has to be talent in the interviewer,
and it has to be rooted in performance rather than
going around making fun of people.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, I fully agree. I think we've solved it pretty much.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Interesting. Any final thoughts on YouTuber dramas and or sorry?
Is it no?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
No, We're good, Okay. I guess like I'm just like
the problem that I'm struggling with is that it won't
It's only going to get bigger. No, I know, I know,
this like type of culture is so deeply popular among
people I've never met in my life and will keep
getting more and more popular, and I'm like bummed out

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by it.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Actually, I think what needs to happen the shift is
that gay people need to make more boring content. With
the way that straight people have dominated the boring content.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Market so much thought into overwriting.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yeah, don't need much thought. Turn it down.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I want to say, all, I think a lot of
people are already heeding her advice. That's not what I'm
seeing on some of my suggested content out there.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Or have just like like have more boring drama that
people can get upset over, like relationship drama. Mess it
like mess see stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
When when gay people eradicated the concept of cheating, that's
when things got That's.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
When things got difficult.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Because that's such an easy generator of drama. And it's like,
first of all, gonna happen no matter what. So it's
like if we just kept that as like the big
dramatic event, God, we'd be fine.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Because Jeffrey Star, I feel like, does a good job
of being controversial in mainstream right.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
But that's because Jeffrey he literally will like murder.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Well he also is like like like I feel like
the vibe with him is like he could murder at
any moment.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Successful there's also always a threat with him that he'll
like release the names of like the people.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
That's how people will keep watching. We need more threats
in our content, like some sort of mystery that we're
trying to crack.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I mean, you know what the equivalent of cheating is
with gay creators is like closetedness. It's like it's like
so and so like this big male celebrity, like.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Is true true? Who?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I have to say, like I get such a pit
nic stomach when I think of these like creator dramas
just because it really is, like not to sound like
elitist or something, but it really does feel like the
death knell of all culture. Like it really is like
you're just sort of like how much lower can it get?
Like literally, how much lower can entertainment get than Brianna

(58:24):
Chicken fry Well and even I guess it could be
like literally how much like what else? How can you
like take away any more?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Like production? Yeah, Like like we used to like read stories,
we used to watch plays, and then it was like okay,
now we're watching TV. Okay, now we're watching reality TV. Okay,
now we're watching It's like how.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Like we're literally just gonna start staring at people on
the street and like yelling at exactly. Everyone is just
gonna have like a police camera on their chest and
then you're gonna be like looll keep passed by that
woman and her hair sucks, and.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Then it'll be like, actually when in her hair sucks,
that was radical.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
And then there's gonna be merched that's like my hair
sucks too. And then she's gonna have a podcast, and
then she's gonna have her own cryptocurrency and then a
signature catchphrase, and then she's gonna be president, and that's
gonna be our first woman president.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I would love that Majo for president, do you guys? Okay,
she has been a YouTuber for a very long time.
She spam Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, we don't have that.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I do want to bring this up because something that
we just like fully haven't mentioned is a big part
of this is also quote unquote scammer scandals like TanaCon
is a great example of this. It's like she charged
her fans this much money, then they showed up and
the convention was a scam or like Carolina is a classic,
like Creator drama that has to do with is more queer. Yeah,

(59:51):
so I think it's like scamming, all right, Scamming and
loyalty are queer, and then like heating and what else,
what's the marriage and marriage?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Like it's like like presenting a different version hypocrisy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah totally because I okay, So hypocrisy and cheating, which
I guess are the same things like morals. Morals, Yeah, morals,
hypocrisy and cheating are straight, and loyalty and scamming are
queer when it comes to scandals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
I'm glad we got there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Wow, we'll should we do our final segment? Okay. Our
final segment is called shout Outs, And in the segment
we pay homage. Is the Grand Street tradition of the
radio shout out. Shout out to anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas,
whatever you want in the whole wide world, and we
think of it on the spot, and we'll go first.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
And I'm trying to do you have one?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah? Okay, I do. Okay, what's up, freaks and perverts
around the globe. I want to give a huge shout
out to cloudy days in Los Angeles. As we all know,
I have had my issues with the city. But when,
except when we take those issues away, then I have
no issues with it. But when I'm loving it, the
most recently is on those cloudy days, And I say

(01:01:14):
Finally I can be moody. I when I was living
in New York, of course, anytime it was cloudy, I
was on I needed a check in. I was on
a watch list. The clouds could break me. But here
I'm actually a little bit sick of sun. And when
it is cloudy, I say, finally I can listen to slow,
sad music. Finally there's not pressure to go outside and

(01:01:35):
I don't know, do a CrossFit class every day. Here
everyone's saying, why aren't you having the most fun of
your entire life? And I say, because that's unsustainable. Well,
on a cloudy day, I can be just mean and
that is enough. Xoxo Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
What's up? Breaks the losers? I want to give a
shout out to the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by
Neil Postman Publishing. I want to say nineteen eighty four. Now, yeah,
this very scary year, and it's only gotten scarier since then, folks.
So this is a book that has been recommended to
me many times, and it's about how television is bad.
It's about how television is like ruining a literas of

(01:02:13):
like a society that was based on text and reading,
and it's making everyone stupider, and there is something so
wonderfully nostalgic about remembering when that was the issue everyone
cared about, and now everyone is quite literally illiterate and
can only speak in sort of brunting noises. And so
you know, if you want to remember just like the

(01:02:33):
real sense of hope that we had in the Reagan eighties,
I really highly suggest picking up Amusing Ourselves to Death.
It really still holds up, and a lot of the
arguments makes about television could also make about social media.
The book literally starts out with him being very dramatically
being like, as I'm writing this, a Hollywood actor is
sitting in the White House, and I was like, damn,
still true. So it's very short. It's a truly less

(01:02:56):
than two hundred pages. I'm sure there's an audiobook of it,
hopefully it's read by Brown a chicken for I for Lucky,
And so I got to say, really is hitting the spot.
And if you want to feel smart without honestly putting
out with there for them reading something, I highly recommend
that's huge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Sometimes those types of books bump me out because they're
so because nothing has changed and actually worse. Yeah, And
I'm also like it's fun to be like, how quaint
and then you're like, oh, but he was right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
No, he was fully right. It's it's funny to think
back to there's always some moral panic, and you like
want to reassure yourself by being like, well, there's always
been moral panics. There was one about television, there was
one about phones, and then it's like right, and they
were all right and things kept getting worse, So what now?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
So what now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Well, Ali, whenever you're.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Ready, do I look into cam.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Oh you can?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Can you feel comfortable looking?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Okay? Hi? I want to make a shout out to
one of the craziest products I've ever took a chance on,
and I'm so glad I did. I if I were
an influencer, this is the only thing I would try
and influence people on, and that is the two in
one hair care product from Trader Joe's five dollars. It's

(01:04:08):
a shampoo and conditioner, it's hydrating, it's the best product ever.
You can buy it anywhere any Trader Joe's five dollars.
And it sounds sketchy because obviously when you say two
in one, there's a lot of preconceived ideas about that
but I took a chance on it. A hairstylist recommended it,
and I was like, it's five dollars. What do I
have to lose my hair? Maybe, but let's try it.

(01:04:29):
I tried it. It's never felt better. It's like a
blue bottle. It's grape fruitmentt. It smells good. It's not
too strong of a cent. But I leave it on.
I soak it in my wet hair. I rub it in,
I rub it in, I leave it in. I brush
it out in the shower. When I get out of
the shower, I put in just a little bit of
leaving conditioner and then I use my Trusted which I
think is burning my hair. I don't recommend this, but

(01:04:50):
the dry bar, a little curling blow dryer two in
one to both two and one products. It might be
the way of the future. But I love it. I've
never I loved my hair more. I've no It's never
felt as good. And that's what I'm shouting out today.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Whoa woah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I think it's really powerful and about time we stopped
the stigma.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah, they're not all the same, not all the same,
and I'm not using it to white my butt in
the shower. It's for my head. Sure it works on
my head.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
That is shocking to me, because I really, do you
think she's using it to white he butt. No, I'm
I'm just because I've literally I'm on record as saying
you have beautiful hair. The fact that it is because
of Trader Joe's two in one is really rocking my
world to night.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
You know you, I would go try and get all
these fancy products, being like this is going to change
my life. It's a tiny bottle for sixty dollars. It
runs out so fast. I'm using the entire bottle just
in one shower, because why not. It's five dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I love it. I want everyone to try it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I want to see the guys, girl of you to
be like, yeah, I just used Trader. It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
This is girls, girl, because the girls judge. I don't
need to convince a guy to get it to it.
It's the girls who I have to convince. I I
beg them. I don't just try it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Wow wow, no one does.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
No one tries it and it kills me. I'm devastating.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Somebody's gonna try it, I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
So just it's five dollars. If you hate it, throw
it away.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
God Trader Joe's, you know it still hits after all
these years. Shout out to the Tamalis.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I'm like, I don't know what to do in there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
No, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I've been in a strangers one time in my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Really, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Once you got to get used to it, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Get to know what it does well and what it
doesn't do well. Don't buy produce.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Don't buy produce. But they're frozen to get the soup dumplings.
Oh my god, the soup dumplings, rosen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Stuff anything sort of in the realm of like protein
bars and powder.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Like, and they always have a fun bread. I don't
know how they make them. I don't know what they're doing,
but they're making them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
They're backstage, they're making the bread fresh morning bagel chabata,
like a oh everything bagel Trader Joe's. It's like they
are snorting lines of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Well, Ali, this has been a real delight. Thanks so
much for doing the podcast, for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
And please tell people we're trying to actually let people
promote themselves. Please tell people what you are up to
where they can find you where they can see you,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
You can go to Ali mukofsky dot com. I have
some tour dates coming up. You can see me do
a comedy on the road, maybe in a city near you.
You can go to my YouTube to check out Ali's
interview show. You can get in on the ground floor
of this. You can get it on the ground floor.
I only have two episodes out at this moment. I'm
starting to record more episodes. One of my guests is

(01:07:46):
Sam Vincente and then my other guests just to balance
very straight Dylan Francis. So there's one episode for everyone
at least right now. More to come.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, cool, great, and you've got to introduce us to
Saint Vincent I would love to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
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