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Strange Things with I Am Joshua FE. Warren, And each
week on this show, I'll be bringing you brand new
mind blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments you can
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do at home, and a lot more. On this edition
of the show, The Psycho Mantium Reunions with the Dead.
I've mentioned this before, and now here is the whole story.
In ancient Greek and Roman mythology, Zeus had nine daughters. Now,
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these goddesses were called the muses, and they presided over
the arts and sciences. So to this day we call
someone who inspires an artist, muse to display great works
of creativity. The Greeks created places called muse on. It
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literally meant seat of the muses or display of the muses,
and in Latin museon became museum, so the n turned
into an m so museon is museum, and that's why
we call these kinds of places museums today. But the
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ancient Greeks had another type of place called a necromanteon.
Today we would call them a necromantium or necromantium. It
meant a display of the dead, and it seems the
main one was on the banks of the Acheron River
in a remote place called Ipiras. Now it's an ancient
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Greek was obsessed with contacting a deceased loved one. That
person would make the long journey to appear us, bringing
along one or two items that belonged to the dead person,
and upon arriving, the per person would be awe struck
to find a massive stone mound sort of sculpted into
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a kind of temple with lots of rooms and a
series of spooky restricted access tunnels sort of honey like
honeycombing deep below the ground. There, so the person would
would plea with a priest to be given the Necromantillon experience,
and if the priest obliged, a series of somber preparations began.
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The person would dress very simply and spend days mainly
alone in a very basic room, thinking intensely about the
deceased loved one and dwelling on the items that belonged
to that person, and the priest would occasionally come in
and converse about the dead loved one, you know, encouraging
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the person to remember as much as possible, as vividly
as possible about the deceased. After these days of of
mental preparation were done, the person would finally be taken
to the entrance of a dark tunnel and told to
enter alone. The tunnel was barely lit by lamps, and
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the person would walk farther and farther down the winding paths,
and eventually the person would enter a large chamber illuminated
only by a couple of candles, and in the middle
was a large shiny cauldron filled with water. The person
would walk up and stare at the dark, flat surface
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of this deep water and relax, and then after a while,
something amazing would happen. An image would begin to form
on the water, and then it would morph into the
face of the loved one. Its features would become more
and more textured, more and more real astic and three dimensional.
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But next, something truly unbelievable would happen. Finally, the deceased
loved one would rise from the cauldron and step forth.
I'm talking about a figure just as solid and tangible
as ever, and the two could then have one last
sort of full on interaction and you know, get some
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kind of closure whatever was needed, and when it was over,
the spirit would step back and fade away. Now that
was a long time ago, and it's impossible for us
to know for certain what all happened inside the necromantion chambers.
Some believe there were actors involved, Others say that people
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were drugged. We just can't know for sure. But in
the nineteen eighties, Dr Raymond Moody, one of the smartest
people in the world, asked the question, what if, what
if there actually was something about that method that would
allow someone to experience these things authentically? You know, what
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would somehow create this experience? What if? And he was
a guy who had earned the right to ask that
question in a very serious manner. You see, Dr Raymond Moody.
He's a he's a university professor with at a PhD
in psychology and then another PhD and philosophy and an
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m d from the Medical College of Georgia. And in
the nineteen seventies he became a world famous for writing
a best selling book based on his work with patients.
It was called Life After Life. And in that book
he coined the phrase near death experience or in d E,
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and a lot of other terminology that is now part
of pop culture, such as the tunnel of light, you know,
that kind of thing. So he's also one of the
nicest people I've ever met, but more on that later.
So anyway, with the success of his book Life After
Life and his follow up book, I mean, he was
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given car blanche to sort of just research and write
a book about anything he wanted. So, as a philosopher
with an expert background in ancient Greek, he flew to
Greece to study the necro man Tillon right there on
the ground in the field. The result was published in
his nineteen book called Reunions Visionary Encounters with Departed loved Ones.
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Now he had taken what he learned about the necro
man tion technique and then streamlined it, modernized it, and
tested it on lots of people, and guess what it worked.
But instead of calling it a necromantium a place where
the dead are displayed, he called it a psycho mantium
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or psycho mantium, a place where the mind is on display.
One of the first he built was in an old
barn on his property. He called it his Theater of
the Mind. And the setup is quite simple. All you
need as a very dimly lit room. Just one candle
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or a comparable light will do. You put a chair
in the room, and and you hang a mirror of
any size on the wall. Now it should be oriented
so that as you sit in the chair facing the
mirror a few feet away, you cannot see your own reflection.
The mirror should therefore be just above your eye level.
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Now you might also add some white noise like a fan,
but you know that's not not necessary. But you see
the physical set up, it's only part of the process.
Like I mentioned with the ancient Greeks, it really begins
long before. If you want to do this seriously, because
in that tradition of the ancient Greek priests. Dr Moody
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would begin by asking his patient to bring an item
that belonged to the dead person and then sit down
with him for a session, and he would ask that
patient to talk all about the dead person and as
much detail as possible, trying to remember and even relive
some of the most vivid details. How did that person look, smell, speak,
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behave What good experiences did you share with that person?
What bad experiences? Now you might do one day of
sessions before entering the psychomantium, or you might do a
series of them over a period of days. But ultimately
the patient will reach a point when you can tell
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he or she has basically said it all okay and
and and it's the patient seems just suddenly kind of
relaxed and exhausted, And that's when you know the person
is ready. Then you send the patient off into the
psychomantium room by him or herself. They need to keep
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their eyes open, blinking as normal, but keeping their attention
on the mirror, and the patient needs to simply allow
whatever happens to happen. Now, you can stay in as
long as you want, and you can get up and
leave whenever you want. Dr Moody said that time and
time again, the patient would emerge from the room in
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a very emotional yet relieved state, because sure enough, in
many cases, if not most, the deceased person would appear
and interact in some form. He often worked as a
grief counselor, and Dr Moody said that this was an
amazing therapeutic tool for those who were lost in grieving
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and depress and and so he started traveling the world
demonstrating this and teaching crowds about his discovery, all the
while bringing his Psychomanthea mirror with him. I have a
lot to tell you about that mirror, because guests, who
owns it? Right now? Wa And I'm going to tell
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you when we come back from this break. Also, what
happened when I started experimenting with this stuff, and what
happened after I met Dr Moody and he taught me
how to properly do this. And I'm going to tell
you some of the wildest stories in this show that
you've ever heard. Maybe you won't believe what I have
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Wizard of Weird, Joshua pe Warren, and you might be
thinking this psychomantium phenomenon is similar to scrying. Scrying is
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where you stare at a crystal ball or a bowl
of water like Nostradamus to have psychic visions. And it
is related to scrying, but it's a much bigger set
up and it has a different kind of tone and intentions,
so it's not the same, but it is related. And
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when I first learned about the psychomantium, my Lemur team
and I started experimenting with it. We built the first
one at and and Lemur of course was it still
is my paranormal investigation team. We're just not active anymore
because we we've gotten older and busier as life has
gone on, and we're spread all over the place, but
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we still we still occasionally do things. But anyway, um,
we started experimenting by building the first one at Brian
Irish's house, and we decided, you know, once we had
it set up without any kind of you know, mental
preparation and all that, we would just take turns going
in there to to just sit in it, to just
see what, you know, what happens to be in that
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physical environment. So I was the first person who went in,
and I think we were all figured we'd stay in
like you know, twenty or thirty minutes of peace, and
so what I can tell you is that, um, fairly quickly,
I started losing a sense of time. Uh. Then most
surprising is when I started losing a sense of space.
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It eventually felt like that the walls weren't there anymore,
and I was just sort of, I don't want to say,
floating in outer space, but I was. I didn't feel
the limitations of being in a building. And then I
started seeing these little flickers of light that would dart around,
similar to orbs or something like that. I mean, it
was starting to get really interesting. Um. But then I
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think somebody, you know, tapped on the door and it's like,
you know, my time was up. So that was my experience.
Robert McGhee, he was a member of the team who
was one of the biggest skeptics. He was one of
one of those guys who was always like, you know,
I am I am the cooler of the paranormal I
show up and nothing happens. But even Robert had an
experience in there. Uh. Robert, he came out and said that, uh,
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he at one point was startled because it felt like
some kind of hissing cold air was blowing on his
neck and it was really distracting him, and he wondered
at some point if you know, we were playing a
prank or something on him. So that was pretty I mean,
he was kind of rattled by that. Brian had recently
lost a very close friend. And so when Brian was
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in there, uh, and I think he went back in
later that night because this was his house. You know,
he actually ended up having like a full blown experience.
And by the way, when we were doing these sessions,
we did set up a camera in there, and it
didn't capture anything paranormal. So at that time we we
fought maybe these are totally subjective experiences, like Moody. Moody
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was sort of implying that they do just happen in
the mind, there's nothing actually manifesting in the room. But
that would actually kind of change later on. I'll get
to that. So I was so fascinated that I interviewed
Dr Moody on my the show I was doing back
then it was called Speaking of Strange, and we continued corresponding,
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and so I asked him if I could hire him
and produce a weekend long psychomantium workshop in Black Mountain,
North Carolina. And he was just delighted to agree, and
so it was one of the coolest things I've ever done.
He and his wonderful wife Cheryl, came to the historic
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Madison in there in Black Mountain, North Carolina, March of
two thousand and eight. And I kept the group small intentionally,
you know, probably like thirty people who would you pay
a little ticket to show up and just be a
part of this for the weekend. And let me tell you,
it turned out to be sort of like a who's
who of the paranormal and metaphysical world. People came from
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all over the country. Rosemary Ellen Guiley was there, and
of course she sadly she passed away in two thousand nineteen.
Ray Buckland was there. He wrote tons of books about
magic and the occult, including Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft.
He died in seventeen. Also it's said that he's no
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longer with us. Um, we were very fortunate to have
those two wonderful people there, and we had people like
like Mark Nesbit who wrote Ghosts of Gettysburg. I can't
even remember who all were there. And these are these
are people like usually if you show up at an event,
these are the people who are the speakers right, but
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not know. In this case, we were all there as
students that we can to learn from Dr Raymond Moody.
And that weekend we took one room in this grand
old end and Dr Moody personally set up the perfect
psycho mantheum in there so we could all take turns
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in it, and he brought his psycho mantium mirror with him. Now,
this is a mirror that he had used all over
the world for years. This mirror is about twenty three
inches tall and nineteen inches wide, including this elaborate wide
or nate wooden frame. There's no telling how old this
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mirror is. Dr Moody said that back in the nineteen
eighties he was in a little antique store in Anniston, Alabama,
and he saw this thing and instantly said that's the one,
and he brought it home and personally hand painted the
wooden frame black. Well, that weekend a lot of people
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had a lot of experiences in that psychomantium room. You know.
Dr Moody would give us lessons and classes and talk
to us all day and then we would take turns
going up to this room. And I can tell you
stories about you know, a lot of stories about what happened,
but I think the creepiest thing happened. I think it
was Mark Nesbitt who experienced this. Actually I'm not sure
about that, but he actually he came out of the
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psychomantheum and none of us knew this. He had decided
to just bring a little audio recorder with him and
let it run while he was in there, and then
later on he was reviewing his audio and he got
everybody's attention, and he was for he of course, he
came to me first and he was like, listen to this,
and he played this recording and I'm telling you, if
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you can imagine what it would sound like if the
gates of Hell were opened, I mean, it was like
demonic growling and just like some really unnerving creepy sounds
and um. So we were all freaked out about that,
and he actually emailed that to me, but it was
in some kind of file format that I could never convert,
So I don't I don't like that. That's been a
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long time ago. Like I said, that was two thousand
and eight. I can't put my hands on that recording,
but maybe I can try to get back in touch
with Mark and see if he still got that. Anyway,
that was interesting because that seemed to indicate that maybe
there was something objective, you know, something that's not just
within the mind, unless something in his mind was creating
at as as well. On the recording, I mean, you
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get into some very weird territory where you're starting to
figure out the relationship between mind and body and environment.
But that was spooky hearing these like very very hideous,
like the kind of stuff like you would not want
to sleep in that room after hearing this. So anyway,
at the end of that weekend, everybody got a certificate
signed by Dr Moody saying that we had completed his
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psychomantium training. How cool is that? And then Dr Moody
and Cheryl were ready to head out, but there were
some people who planned to stay an extra day and
they wanted to continue going into the psychomantium room of
course and experimenting. And so instead of disassembling everything, uh,
Dr Moody said it was cool to just leave it
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there and then when the event was over, I could
just ship the mirror back to him. So a couple
of days later, I go to the end to pick
up the mirror. You know, well that's I was. I
was supposed to go to the end to pick up
the mirror. Um, I don't. I don't remember exactly and
what order all this happened, but basically, at some point
I contacted him and Cheryl and I said, like, before
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I ship this thing, what what are the chances that
I could buy this from you? You know that you
would sell it to me? And Dr Moody had a understandably,
he had a sentimental attachment to it and he really
didn't want to sell it. But his wife, Cheryl said
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that he is one of those guys who should have,
you know, like a museum, that he has too much stuff,
and they've been trying to clean out some of his
stuff and they she literally said, we are overrun here.
And she knew that it would be put to good
use with me in good hands, and so she encouraged
him to take this offer. And so thankfully Dr Moody
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said okay, and he sold me the mirror. And uh,
I actually have the email right here in front of me,
dated March eleventh, two thousand and eight. It's from Cheryl
and she says, quote, enjoy the mirror. It has been
used hundreds and hundreds of times. Hope it brings good juju,
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as I always say, take care Cheryl. Alright, So how
exciting is this? I thought, Wow, I cannot believe I'm
going to get to own this famous mirror that all
these people all around the world have looked into and
and seeing, you know, spirits, had spiritual experiences. So anyway,
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Lauren and I we go to pick this mirror up,
and um, we we drove to the Madison Inn. We
took the mirror at very carefully and put it in
the trunk of my car. And then, uh, right there
in Black Mountain is a great pizza restaurant. I believe
it's called My Father's Pizza, And so we decided to
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stop there and have lunch. Su so, and I mean,
this is probably like a mile or something from the medicine,
it's very very close. So we got out of the
car to walk across the parking lot into the restaurant.
And as soon as we got out of the car
and started walking away, inside the trunk, we heard thump, thump, thump,
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and we were we stopped in our tracks. It sounded
like somebody had been kidnapped and thrown in our trunk
and was beating trying to get out. That was just
the beginning. When we come back from this brig, I'll
tell you what happened when Lauren and I went and
opened the trunk, and then what happened when we took
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this mirror to my house and hung it on the wall,
and things that continued to happen related to the psycho mantium.
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where the unusual becomes usual. Think just think of how
many people all over the world, often grieving, would sit
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and stare at this particular mirror that Dr Moody was
using in his demonstrations. We're talking about staring at this
mirror and then seeing a ghostly figure of some kind emerge.
It's wild to think about that. Hundreds and hundreds of people,
if not thousands, and now here. This thing was in
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the trunk of my car. Boo boom, boom, sounds like
somebody's trying to get out of the car locked in
the trunk. Lauren and I just looked at each other
for a second, and then it was one of those
what the So we went back, of course, opened the trunk,
and here is the mirror. It's just sitting there, pretty
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as you please, nicely packed up, just as it was
when we put it in there. Nothing out of the ordinary.
So that was our first taste. We we had had
we had our our pizza for lunch, and then we
took it home and hung it on the wall of
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our living room. And now this is a house. I
don't you know. I don't own this house anymore, but
this was in North Carolina. And after we hung this
mirror on the wall, every month, numerous times per month,
we would suddenly hear some kind of tapping on that wall,
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and often we would hear what sounded like voices in
the living room when there was nobody else around. That
happened the whole rest of the time we lived there.
But listen to this. I had also set up sort
of a guest bedroom of my house as a psychomantium
with a different mirror. I had done this before I
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met Dr Moody. So I already had my own psychomantium
at my house, and I want to tell you about
some of the things that happened in there. The one
that I had in my house had a big mirror
that I just bought it, you know, some pretty mainstream store.
I can't remember. But um, I had a friend. If
you listen to speaking of strange, you remember a guy
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we had on there a lot named We called him
Rob from Holland, Big Dutchman, Robed from Holland. He had
a great radio voice, love lovely accident, and he always
had crazy stories about his life. And so Rob from
Holland was a boisterous and very you know, skeptical guy
in a lot of way. He was a nobs kind
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of guy, and but you know, open minded. So he
went into the psychomantium at my house one night and
he came out about twenty or thirty minutes later, and
he was amazed because he said that he had some
little kitten that he loved when he was a child,
and he hadn't thought about this kitten in years, and
all of a sudden he feels, you know, that sensation
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of a little creature crawling around, and he looks down
and he sees this kitten. You know, that's the experience
that he had, and that was a really profound experience
for him. And I was, you know, that was almost
like Robert McGhee, you know, another very skeptical friend who
still had an experience in a psychomantium. And then there
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was another occasion. Oh by the way, Rob from Holland.
He died in two thousand nineteen. I know it's it's said,
you know, listen to this. Okay. There was a young lady,
a nineteen year old. We'll call her Kathy. She was
a friend of a friend. She came over to my
house one night and uh, at one point, my buddy says, hey,
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you should, uh, you should put Kathy in the psychomantium.
And she goes what she had no idea what I
was talking about. And I started to explain, and I
was like, wait a second, no, no, I said, as
an experiment, I'm not going to tell you anything about this.
Just go in that room right there and sit there
for about twenty or thirty minutes and I'll come and,
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you know, tap on the door and get you. So
she goes, okay, I mean she knew I was into this, know,
some weird stuff. But so without any knowledge whatsoever or
any suggestion you know, planted in her head regarding what
this experience would be, she went into that room and oh,
probably you know, close to thirty minutes later, she came
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out and she was crying, and she was really really
just emotional and uh so, you know, and she she
just walks up to me and she said, how did
you do that? I'm telling you, it was one of
the like saddest things, because how did you do that?
And I said, I shut her down, I said, what
happened to you? And she explained to me that her
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mother had died when she was little, and her grandmother
had raised her, so that was pretty much her you know,
that was her mother figure. And not too long before that,
her grandmother had died. And so as she was sitting
there in the room, she said, her grandmother appeared and
came out of the mirror and came up and hugged
her and said, you know how much I love you?
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And she was so like blown away by this, that Cathy,
it was basically asking like, you know, how are you
a magician? Are you a wizard? Or you a sorcerer?
Like what did you? And uh, I explained to her,
like this is just something that happened sometimes when people
are in this environment. I mean again, that's with no
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preparation whatsoever, you know what, And I mean I just
recently started thinking about this. She was nineteen. She Kathy
is dead now because a few years after that, in
her twenties, she was killed in a car accident. And
as I told you, that was a guest bedroom that
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I converted into a psychomantium. My mother in law, Lauren's
mother named Linda. She came to visit us for a
few weeks and she slept in that room. And she
was a very healthy, fit person. She's dead now. She's
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been a very healthy, fit person her whole life. And
she was in her early sixties and booms she got
cancer and uh, and she died a few years ago.
And you know what I've just it's I'm just now realizing,
as I tell you, these stories that an awful lot
of the people in the Psychomantium stories are dead now,
and that actually just gave me goose bumps, because I
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I honestly, i'd never really thought about that before. Just now,
I don't I'm not saying I think that the psychomantium
caused this, but I mean, I've never heard anybody else
talk about that, So I don't know what does that mean?
I mean anything? Am I just is it confirmation bias?
It just so happens that these people that I know
of who had some of these profound experiences are they
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passed away, maybe a little earlier than they should. I
don't know, that's weird. Lauren and I are fine, Okay,
Lauren and I are fine. When I moved to Puerto Rico,
I was you know, I cherished this mirror so much,
and I was so afraid, you know, it would get
broken or misplaced, that I entrusted it to my mother, Peggy,
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and she kept the mirror for me. She was hesitant
to do it though. My mom never ever wanted to
look at the mirror. And if you've heard me interview
my mom, you know my m has some very special
sensitivities and so my mom I gave it to her
wrapped up, and she kept it face down on top
of the cabinet all those years and never touched it.
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And then finally, not too long ago, I was visiting
my parents and uh, I got it down and blew
the dust off of it. My mom was like, I
have no desire to look at that mirror and shipped
it out here to Las Vegas. That's where it is
right now here with me in Las Vegas. And I
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tell you that mirror, along with Carville the Alien, are
my two most prized possessions, and I think they both
belong in museums. And I'm so thrilled to have you
know this, this moment to to and to have them
all to myself. But I I have given lots of
love and lots of respect to both of them, and
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everything has been calm and good, and that's how I
plan to keep it. So hopefully, this has been a
pretty darn good overview for you regarding the psychomanthium phenomenon.
And you know, again we have this question of how
much of this is something that just happens in the
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mind of the person, just like a dream, you know,
a dream seems real to you when it's happening. But
if you had a video camera sitting in your bedroom
while you're dreaming, the camera is not going to capture
the dream. That doesn't lessen its reality to you. Is this?
Is it more like that? Is that? You know? That's
why Dr Moody called it the psycho mantium Or are
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there things that can sometimes appear in the more objective
external environment as well, or a little combination of things,
or like, for example, I told you about the creepy
recording that came from the room. Well this was an old,
haunted end, so maybe the recording had nothing to do
directly with the psycho mantheum. These are questions that week
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they're too complex for us to answer. So if you
decide to experiment with some version of the psychomantheum, let
me know. Okay, I've given you all the information you
need about you know how to do this, and and
you can also read Dr Moody's book Reunions. I'm sure
you can find that on Amazon or a lot of
different places. So just yeah, let me know what happens
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to you if you if you set a place of
your you know, spot up aside in your house to
do this. And I want to very publicly thank Dr
Moody and his wife Cheryl, because they are still out
there doing wonderful work and helping a lot of people.
And that weekend that I spent with them at Black
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Mountain was one of the best weekends of my life.
I just loved every single moment of it. And UM
and it's such an honor to have been, you know,
sort of trained in person by Dr Moody, And a
lot of the conversations that we had we're not just
about like how to conjure up a dead person. A
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lot of them had to do with, um, dealing with
with death and and grief in general, and how to
help people through that. The how finite that is, you know,
how how brutal that is, because it's like when when
somebody dies, it's like there's no there's no give there,
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you know what I'm saying. It's like you just have
to deal with it, and it hurts. When we come
back from this break, I want to give you a
little update here on Robert the Haunted Doll. Robert the
Haunted Doll down there in Key West and read you
some emails. I'm Joshua Pete Warren. You're listening to strange
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M Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua Pee Warren,
and I have I have a little mystery for you.
I'm sure some somebody out there will solve this one,
probably pretty easily. If you don't know who Robert the
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Doll is. He he is truly the world's most haunted doll.
You can just look up Robert the Doll. He lives
in Key West, Florida. I even wrote an e book
about it. If you go to my curiosity shop, you'll
find a book called Don't Play with Robert, the World's
most Haunted Doll. And really, you know, the gist of
(44:36):
it is that almost like a hundred and twenty years ago, uh,
this doll came into the lives of this wealthy family
in Key West, and the sort of urban legend was
always that this wealthy family had a servant and she
was from the Islands, and she knew some magic, and
she got disgruntled, and so she created this doll and
(44:59):
put some kind of a spirit into it. And for
all these decades people have been claiming the dolls. It
comes to life sometimes and it's attacked people and it's
I mean, the stories go on and on and on,
and I will tell you that this is very interesting
because when you see Robert, he's a large doll. You know,
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he's like probably three ft tall or something, and you
think to yourself, like, wow, this servant had some pretty
impressive doll making skills. But it turns out that a
great researcher and author there in Key West named David Sloan,
he discovered that, in fact, Robert is a rare German
stife doll from the early nineteen hundreds and it's unusually big,
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so he thinks it might have been a store display,
and it was originally in a clown costume. Now currently
Robert is in a little sailor outfit. But um, yeah,
class and where's a lot of people don't like clowns,
So now there's a little clown aspect to Robert. Um
(46:06):
a clown costume which was like a pink and green
harlequin clown suit adorned with some pom poms. He found
like an ad or something. And also this wealthy family,
they were called the Auto family. They were originally from Germany, Prussia.
And it's believed that Jean's mother many Auto and Jean
(46:28):
was a little boy who had the doll. Uh that
that his mother, mini Atto, may have purchased the doll
on a trip to Hamburg, Germany while she was visiting relatives,
and then brought him back to Key West. So it
goes to show that the doll was not created from
scratch by um, by this person, this servant, this disgruntled servant. However,
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UM she or somebody certainly modified the doll because it
does not look at all the same as it originally did,
so who knows what was done to it? So that's interesting.
But here's why I'm bringing this up in particular. I
have a YouTube channel, and um I've had it for
gosh a long time. I think since like two thousand
(47:12):
six or something like that. If you go to YouTube
and just do a search for Joshua pe Warren, you'll
find my channel. I probably have hundreds of videos and
I have gotten millions of views over the past, you know,
fifteen years. And one of the videos, it's very short,
it's only one minute and seven seconds long, and it's
called jp W Meets Robert and this is my actual
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footage of the first time I arrived in Key West, Florida,
all by myself on a sweltering day. This was August
of two thousand and ten, and I walked into the Fort,
the museum there where they keep him, and I was
the only person in there other than the lady at
the front desk. There was nobody else around, so that
(47:55):
made it even more eerie. So I walked in, and
I walked up and I saw rob for the first time.
And you're supposed to introduce yourself to Robert and be
really nice because if you don't get his sort of
approval and permission to photograph him, bad things happened to you.
And the wall around him is plastered with letters from
people asking for forgiveness because of this. So you know,
(48:18):
I just basically walked up there, and you see me
say like, hello, Robert, my name is Joshua Warren. I
don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something
like I've come a long way to you know, to
learn about you, and you know, thank you, and blah
blah blah. I just said some nice stuff to him, right,
And that's about it again, one minute and seven seconds long,
(48:38):
and there are a lot of comments on that video,
and over the past few months, a ton of them
have been comments in Japanese, and I can't figure out
why that is. I'm assuming somebody in Japan who has
some prominence, you know, hosted this uh and and so
(49:03):
I was going through and trying to let copy and
paste because I know no Japanese at all. I mean,
most people I'm sure in this country do would not
and uh and when you try to translate them, I
don't think these online translators are that great, and I
certainly have not had the time to go through and
try to translate them all, but I'll just do one
here and there. And a lot of them, in one
way or another seemed to say thank you, you know,
(49:25):
thank you Robert, thank you Robert um And then one
of them said something like did you see that I
just soiled myself? That was one of the comments. I
don't know what he's talking about. Did he see something
that I didn't see in that video? Then there's another
comment that said like Robert, I love you, you know.
So I don't know. I can't figure out from from
(49:46):
just reading these why all these Japanese comments are being
left on that particular video. So maybe one of you
listening to this show knows more about what's happening in
Japan than I do, and you can tell me why
that is, if somebody's posted something in Japan or I
just don't know. So go to YouTube just type in
(50:07):
jp W meets Robert and watch this video and see
the comments and see if you can figure it out
and email me. Also while you're you know, if you're
gonna do that while you're there, listen while you are there,
go ahead and subscribe. Subscribe to my YouTube channel please.
I would appreciate that. I'm gonna be posting some really
really cool new videos soon results from some new experiments. Okay,
(50:31):
moving right along here, uh okay. Also, when it comes
to my Curiosity shop, you will find the para temporal
night vision goggles there. Those are the only goggles that
I use for paranormal research. And by the way, I
um I received an email from a lady who said, I,
I'm in Las Vegas and I want to know how
I can come to your shop and you know, buy
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something from your shop. And I had to explain to
her that I don't have a physical shop. My Curiosity
shop is only an online shop, and uh, it's all
just on my website there. And also I don't even
keep inventory here in Las Vegas. Uh, I things that
I create here, I ship all that stuff to Mobius
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in North Carolina so he can fill the individual orders.
So Heather in Washington State, she got some of these
Peara temporal night vision goggles. And I'm telling you these
are very very affordable. They're they're like, you know, five
dollars for some amazing night vision. And she wrote, well,
you know how I was. I did a show about
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the new Moon possibly being like a primo time to
uh to go out and see some UFO action. Well,
she said, quote, we were out last night stargazing for
the new Moon, and I have to tell you how
amazed we are with these goggles. No need to use
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the infrared except to see what wild animal is creeping
in our wooded backyard. Just the regular night vision setting
brings out so many stars you would never know her there.
Mars is incredibly bright. We saw one oddball shooting star,
not enough information to label it unidentified, but still weird.
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That goes to show what I'm talking about. So thank you, Heather,
thank you very much. Um. Yeah, that's at the Curiosity
shop and let me squeeze this in really quick. Uh.
There is footage also on YouTube if you search for it,
of what is called a subterranean let's see, it's a
subterranean wormhole. It says, can anyone explain this wormhole? Apparently
(52:43):
caught on tape? Check this out. If you go to
my Twitter feed and you scroll down, you'll find a
link to this. This happened in two thousand and eighteen
in Columbia, South America. A group of UH engineers were
constructing a bunch of big tunnels underground for the government,
some kind of government project, and at one point they
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look over in this tunnel and this tunnel is doing
something that's hard to explain. It's it's like there's a
big giant cloud that suddenly appears and it's pulsing or breathing,
and it's making this big, booming, roaring sound. One of
the guys who was there working said this scared him
to death, like they thought the tunnel was going to collapse,
(53:27):
and nobody could explain, like why is this tunnel doing this?
And they went and talked to a physicist, and the
physicist said something must be controlling it. We know there
are wormholes out there. This might actually be a wormhole
that these guys have tapped into right here on Earth
(53:48):
in South America. I'm gonna try to learn more about that,
but if you know more about it, please send me
the information. And I don't think we're looking at something
that can just be explained by some mist or fog
or whatever that just sort of appears under certain pressurized conditions.
This is something amazing and really different. So check that
(54:08):
out and also follow me on Twitter if you see
the footage. Okay, my friends, here it is take a
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do at home, and a lot more. On this edition
of the show, The Psycho Mantium Reunions with the Dead.
I've mentioned this before, and now here is the whole story.
In ancient Greek and Roman mythology, Zeus had nine daughters. Now,
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these goddesses were called the muses, and they presided over
the arts and sciences. So to this day we call
someone who inspires an artist, muse to display great works
of creativity. The Greeks created places called muse on. It
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literally meant seat of the muses or display of the muses,
and in Latin museon became museum, so the n turned
into an m so museon is museum, and that's why
we call these kinds of places museums today. But the
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ancient Greeks had another type of place called a necromanteon.
Today we would call them a necromantium or necromantium. It
meant a display of the dead, and it seems the
main one was on the banks of the Acheron River
in a remote place called Ipiras. Now it's an ancient
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Greek was obsessed with contacting a deceased loved one. That
person would make the long journey to appear us, bringing
along one or two items that belonged to the dead person,
and upon arriving, the per person would be awe struck
to find a massive stone mound sort of sculpted into
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a kind of temple with lots of rooms and a
series of spooky restricted access tunnels sort of honey like
honeycombing deep below the ground. There, so the person would
would plea with a priest to be given the Necromantillon experience,
and if the priest obliged, a series of somber preparations began.
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The person would dress very simply and spend days mainly
alone in a very basic room, thinking intensely about the
deceased loved one and dwelling on the items that belonged
to that person, and the priest would occasionally come in
and converse about the dead loved one, you know, encouraging
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the person to remember as much as possible, as vividly
as possible about the deceased. After these days of of
mental preparation were done, the person would finally be taken
to the entrance of a dark tunnel and told to
enter alone. The tunnel was barely lit by lamps, and
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the person would walk farther and farther down the winding paths,
and eventually the person would enter a large chamber illuminated
only by a couple of candles, and in the middle
was a large shiny cauldron filled with water. The person
would walk up and stare at the dark, flat surface
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of this deep water and relax, and then after a while,
something amazing would happen. An image would begin to form
on the water, and then it would morph into the
face of the loved one. Its features would become more
and more textured, more and more real astic and three dimensional.
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But next, something truly unbelievable would happen. Finally, the deceased
loved one would rise from the cauldron and step forth.
I'm talking about a figure just as solid and tangible
as ever, and the two could then have one last
sort of full on interaction and you know, get some
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kind of closure whatever was needed, and when it was over,
the spirit would step back and fade away. Now that
was a long time ago, and it's impossible for us
to know for certain what all happened inside the necromantion chambers.
Some believe there were actors involved, Others say that people
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were drugged. We just can't know for sure. But in
the nineteen eighties, Dr Raymond Moody, one of the smartest
people in the world, asked the question, what if, what
if there actually was something about that method that would
allow someone to experience these things authentically? You know, what
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would somehow create this experience? What if? And he was
a guy who had earned the right to ask that
question in a very serious manner. You see, Dr Raymond Moody.
He's a he's a university professor with at a PhD
in psychology and then another PhD and philosophy and an
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m d from the Medical College of Georgia. And in
the nineteen seventies he became a world famous for writing
a best selling book based on his work with patients.
It was called Life After Life. And in that book
he coined the phrase near death experience or in d E,
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and a lot of other terminology that is now part
of pop culture, such as the tunnel of light, you know,
that kind of thing. So he's also one of the
nicest people I've ever met, but more on that later.
So anyway, with the success of his book Life After
Life and his follow up book, I mean, he was
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given car blanche to sort of just research and write
a book about anything he wanted. So, as a philosopher
with an expert background in ancient Greek, he flew to
Greece to study the necro man Tillon right there on
the ground in the field. The result was published in
his nineteen book called Reunions Visionary Encounters with Departed loved Ones.
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Now he had taken what he learned about the necro
man tion technique and then streamlined it, modernized it, and
tested it on lots of people, and guess what it worked.
But instead of calling it a necromantium a place where
the dead are displayed, he called it a psycho mantium
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or psycho mantium, a place where the mind is on display.
One of the first he built was in an old
barn on his property. He called it his Theater of
the Mind. And the setup is quite simple. All you
need as a very dimly lit room. Just one candle
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or a comparable light will do. You put a chair
in the room, and and you hang a mirror of
any size on the wall. Now it should be oriented
so that as you sit in the chair facing the
mirror a few feet away, you cannot see your own reflection.
The mirror should therefore be just above your eye level.
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Now you might also add some white noise like a fan,
but you know that's not not necessary. But you see
the physical set up, it's only part of the process.
Like I mentioned with the ancient Greeks, it really begins
long before. If you want to do this seriously, because
in that tradition of the ancient Greek priests. Dr Moody
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would begin by asking his patient to bring an item
that belonged to the dead person and then sit down
with him for a session, and he would ask that
patient to talk all about the dead person and as
much detail as possible, trying to remember and even relive
some of the most vivid details. How did that person look, smell, speak,
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behave What good experiences did you share with that person?
What bad experiences? Now you might do one day of
sessions before entering the psychomantium, or you might do a
series of them over a period of days. But ultimately
the patient will reach a point when you can tell
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he or she has basically said it all okay and
and and it's the patient seems just suddenly kind of
relaxed and exhausted, And that's when you know the person
is ready. Then you send the patient off into the
psychomantium room by him or herself. They need to keep
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their eyes open, blinking as normal, but keeping their attention
on the mirror, and the patient needs to simply allow
whatever happens to happen. Now, you can stay in as
long as you want, and you can get up and
leave whenever you want. Dr Moody said that time and
time again, the patient would emerge from the room in
(10:38):
a very emotional yet relieved state, because sure enough, in
many cases, if not most, the deceased person would appear
and interact in some form. He often worked as a
grief counselor, and Dr Moody said that this was an
amazing therapeutic tool for those who were lost in grieving
(10:59):
and depress and and so he started traveling the world
demonstrating this and teaching crowds about his discovery, all the
while bringing his Psychomanthea mirror with him. I have a
lot to tell you about that mirror, because guests, who
owns it? Right now? Wa And I'm going to tell
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you when we come back from this break. Also, what
happened when I started experimenting with this stuff, and what
happened after I met Dr Moody and he taught me
how to properly do this. And I'm going to tell
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you've ever heard. Maybe you won't believe what I have
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Wizard of Weird, Joshua pe Warren, and you might be
thinking this psychomantium phenomenon is similar to scrying. Scrying is
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where you stare at a crystal ball or a bowl
of water like Nostradamus to have psychic visions. And it
is related to scrying, but it's a much bigger set
up and it has a different kind of tone and intentions,
so it's not the same, but it is related. And
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when I first learned about the psychomantium, my Lemur team
and I started experimenting with it. We built the first
one at and and Lemur of course was it still
is my paranormal investigation team. We're just not active anymore
because we we've gotten older and busier as life has
gone on, and we're spread all over the place, but
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we still we still occasionally do things. But anyway, um,
we started experimenting by building the first one at Brian
Irish's house, and we decided, you know, once we had
it set up without any kind of you know, mental
preparation and all that, we would just take turns going
in there to to just sit in it, to just
see what, you know, what happens to be in that
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physical environment. So I was the first person who went in,
and I think we were all figured we'd stay in
like you know, twenty or thirty minutes of peace, and
so what I can tell you is that, um, fairly quickly,
I started losing a sense of time. Uh. Then most
surprising is when I started losing a sense of space.
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It eventually felt like that the walls weren't there anymore,
and I was just sort of, I don't want to say,
floating in outer space, but I was. I didn't feel
the limitations of being in a building. And then I
started seeing these little flickers of light that would dart around,
similar to orbs or something like that. I mean, it
was starting to get really interesting. Um. But then I
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think somebody, you know, tapped on the door and it's like,
you know, my time was up. So that was my experience.
Robert McGhee, he was a member of the team who
was one of the biggest skeptics. He was one of
one of those guys who was always like, you know,
I am I am the cooler of the paranormal I
show up and nothing happens. But even Robert had an
experience in there. Uh. Robert, he came out and said that, uh,
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he at one point was startled because it felt like
some kind of hissing cold air was blowing on his
neck and it was really distracting him, and he wondered
at some point if you know, we were playing a
prank or something on him. So that was pretty I mean,
he was kind of rattled by that. Brian had recently
lost a very close friend. And so when Brian was
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in there, uh, and I think he went back in
later that night because this was his house. You know,
he actually ended up having like a full blown experience.
And by the way, when we were doing these sessions,
we did set up a camera in there, and it
didn't capture anything paranormal. So at that time we we
fought maybe these are totally subjective experiences, like Moody. Moody
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was sort of implying that they do just happen in
the mind, there's nothing actually manifesting in the room. But
that would actually kind of change later on. I'll get
to that. So I was so fascinated that I interviewed
Dr Moody on my the show I was doing back
then it was called Speaking of Strange, and we continued corresponding,
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and so I asked him if I could hire him
and produce a weekend long psychomantium workshop in Black Mountain,
North Carolina. And he was just delighted to agree, and
so it was one of the coolest things I've ever done.
He and his wonderful wife Cheryl, came to the historic
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Madison in there in Black Mountain, North Carolina, March of
two thousand and eight. And I kept the group small intentionally,
you know, probably like thirty people who would you pay
a little ticket to show up and just be a
part of this for the weekend. And let me tell you,
it turned out to be sort of like a who's
who of the paranormal and metaphysical world. People came from
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all over the country. Rosemary Ellen Guiley was there, and
of course she sadly she passed away in two thousand nineteen.
Ray Buckland was there. He wrote tons of books about
magic and the occult, including Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft.
He died in seventeen. Also it's said that he's no
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longer with us. Um, we were very fortunate to have
those two wonderful people there, and we had people like
like Mark Nesbit who wrote Ghosts of Gettysburg. I can't
even remember who all were there. And these are these
are people like usually if you show up at an event,
these are the people who are the speakers right, but
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not know. In this case, we were all there as
students that we can to learn from Dr Raymond Moody.
And that weekend we took one room in this grand
old end and Dr Moody personally set up the perfect
psycho mantheum in there so we could all take turns
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in it, and he brought his psycho mantium mirror with him. Now,
this is a mirror that he had used all over
the world for years. This mirror is about twenty three
inches tall and nineteen inches wide, including this elaborate wide
or nate wooden frame. There's no telling how old this
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mirror is. Dr Moody said that back in the nineteen
eighties he was in a little antique store in Anniston, Alabama,
and he saw this thing and instantly said that's the one,
and he brought it home and personally hand painted the
wooden frame black. Well, that weekend a lot of people
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had a lot of experiences in that psychomantium room. You know.
Dr Moody would give us lessons and classes and talk
to us all day and then we would take turns
going up to this room. And I can tell you
stories about you know, a lot of stories about what happened,
but I think the creepiest thing happened. I think it
was Mark Nesbitt who experienced this. Actually I'm not sure
about that, but he actually he came out of the
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psychomantheum and none of us knew this. He had decided
to just bring a little audio recorder with him and
let it run while he was in there, and then
later on he was reviewing his audio and he got
everybody's attention, and he was for he of course, he
came to me first and he was like, listen to this,
and he played this recording and I'm telling you, if
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you can imagine what it would sound like if the
gates of Hell were opened, I mean, it was like
demonic growling and just like some really unnerving creepy sounds
and um. So we were all freaked out about that,
and he actually emailed that to me, but it was
in some kind of file format that I could never convert,
So I don't I don't like that. That's been a
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long time ago. Like I said, that was two thousand
and eight. I can't put my hands on that recording,
but maybe I can try to get back in touch
with Mark and see if he still got that. Anyway,
that was interesting because that seemed to indicate that maybe
there was something objective, you know, something that's not just
within the mind, unless something in his mind was creating
at as as well. On the recording, I mean, you
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get into some very weird territory where you're starting to
figure out the relationship between mind and body and environment.
But that was spooky hearing these like very very hideous,
like the kind of stuff like you would not want
to sleep in that room after hearing this. So anyway,
at the end of that weekend, everybody got a certificate
signed by Dr Moody saying that we had completed his
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psychomantium training. How cool is that? And then Dr Moody
and Cheryl were ready to head out, but there were
some people who planned to stay an extra day and
they wanted to continue going into the psychomantium room of
course and experimenting. And so instead of disassembling everything, uh,
Dr Moody said it was cool to just leave it
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there and then when the event was over, I could
just ship the mirror back to him. So a couple
of days later, I go to the end to pick
up the mirror. You know, well that's I was. I
was supposed to go to the end to pick up
the mirror. Um, I don't. I don't remember exactly and
what order all this happened, but basically, at some point
I contacted him and Cheryl and I said, like, before
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I ship this thing, what what are the chances that
I could buy this from you? You know that you
would sell it to me? And Dr Moody had a understandably,
he had a sentimental attachment to it and he really
didn't want to sell it. But his wife, Cheryl said
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that he is one of those guys who should have,
you know, like a museum, that he has too much stuff,
and they've been trying to clean out some of his
stuff and they she literally said, we are overrun here.
And she knew that it would be put to good
use with me in good hands, and so she encouraged
him to take this offer. And so thankfully Dr Moody
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said okay, and he sold me the mirror. And uh,
I actually have the email right here in front of me,
dated March eleventh, two thousand and eight. It's from Cheryl
and she says, quote, enjoy the mirror. It has been
used hundreds and hundreds of times. Hope it brings good juju,
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as I always say, take care Cheryl. Alright, So how
exciting is this? I thought, Wow, I cannot believe I'm
going to get to own this famous mirror that all
these people all around the world have looked into and
and seeing, you know, spirits, had spiritual experiences. So anyway,
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Lauren and I we go to pick this mirror up,
and um, we we drove to the Madison Inn. We
took the mirror at very carefully and put it in
the trunk of my car. And then, uh, right there
in Black Mountain is a great pizza restaurant. I believe
it's called My Father's Pizza, And so we decided to
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stop there and have lunch. Su so, and I mean,
this is probably like a mile or something from the medicine,
it's very very close. So we got out of the
car to walk across the parking lot into the restaurant.
And as soon as we got out of the car
and started walking away, inside the trunk, we heard thump, thump, thump,
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and we were we stopped in our tracks. It sounded
like somebody had been kidnapped and thrown in our trunk
and was beating trying to get out. That was just
the beginning. When we come back from this brig, I'll
tell you what happened when Lauren and I went and
opened the trunk, and then what happened when we took
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this mirror to my house and hung it on the wall,
and things that continued to happen related to the psycho mantium.
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where the unusual becomes usual. Think just think of how
many people all over the world, often grieving, would sit
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and stare at this particular mirror that Dr Moody was
using in his demonstrations. We're talking about staring at this
mirror and then seeing a ghostly figure of some kind emerge.
It's wild to think about that. Hundreds and hundreds of people,
if not thousands, and now here. This thing was in
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the trunk of my car. Boo boom, boom, sounds like
somebody's trying to get out of the car locked in
the trunk. Lauren and I just looked at each other
for a second, and then it was one of those
what the So we went back, of course, opened the trunk,
and here is the mirror. It's just sitting there, pretty
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as you please, nicely packed up, just as it was
when we put it in there. Nothing out of the ordinary.
So that was our first taste. We we had had
we had our our pizza for lunch, and then we
took it home and hung it on the wall of
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our living room. And now this is a house. I
don't you know. I don't own this house anymore, but
this was in North Carolina. And after we hung this
mirror on the wall, every month, numerous times per month,
we would suddenly hear some kind of tapping on that wall,
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and often we would hear what sounded like voices in
the living room when there was nobody else around. That
happened the whole rest of the time we lived there.
But listen to this. I had also set up sort
of a guest bedroom of my house as a psychomantium
with a different mirror. I had done this before I
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met Dr Moody. So I already had my own psychomantium
at my house, and I want to tell you about
some of the things that happened in there. The one
that I had in my house had a big mirror
that I just bought it, you know, some pretty mainstream store.
I can't remember. But um, I had a friend. If
you listen to speaking of strange, you remember a guy
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we had on there a lot named We called him
Rob from Holland, Big Dutchman, Robed from Holland. He had
a great radio voice, love lovely accident, and he always
had crazy stories about his life. And so Rob from
Holland was a boisterous and very you know, skeptical guy
in a lot of way. He was a nobs kind
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of guy, and but you know, open minded. So he
went into the psychomantium at my house one night and
he came out about twenty or thirty minutes later, and
he was amazed because he said that he had some
little kitten that he loved when he was a child,
and he hadn't thought about this kitten in years, and
all of a sudden he feels, you know, that sensation
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of a little creature crawling around, and he looks down
and he sees this kitten. You know, that's the experience
that he had, and that was a really profound experience
for him. And I was, you know, that was almost
like Robert McGhee, you know, another very skeptical friend who
still had an experience in a psychomantium. And then there
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was another occasion. Oh by the way, Rob from Holland.
He died in two thousand nineteen. I know it's it's said,
you know, listen to this. Okay. There was a young lady,
a nineteen year old. We'll call her Kathy. She was
a friend of a friend. She came over to my
house one night and uh, at one point, my buddy says, hey,
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you should, uh, you should put Kathy in the psychomantium.
And she goes what she had no idea what I
was talking about. And I started to explain, and I
was like, wait a second, no, no, I said, as
an experiment, I'm not going to tell you anything about this.
Just go in that room right there and sit there
for about twenty or thirty minutes and I'll come and,
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you know, tap on the door and get you. So
she goes, okay, I mean she knew I was into this, know,
some weird stuff. But so without any knowledge whatsoever or
any suggestion you know, planted in her head regarding what
this experience would be, she went into that room and oh,
probably you know, close to thirty minutes later, she came
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out and she was crying, and she was really really
just emotional and uh so, you know, and she she
just walks up to me and she said, how did
you do that? I'm telling you, it was one of
the like saddest things, because how did you do that?
And I said, I shut her down, I said, what
happened to you? And she explained to me that her
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mother had died when she was little, and her grandmother
had raised her, so that was pretty much her you know,
that was her mother figure. And not too long before that,
her grandmother had died. And so as she was sitting
there in the room, she said, her grandmother appeared and
came out of the mirror and came up and hugged
her and said, you know how much I love you?
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And she was so like blown away by this, that Cathy,
it was basically asking like, you know, how are you
a magician? Are you a wizard? Or you a sorcerer?
Like what did you? And uh, I explained to her,
like this is just something that happened sometimes when people
are in this environment. I mean again, that's with no
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preparation whatsoever, you know what, And I mean I just
recently started thinking about this. She was nineteen. She Kathy
is dead now because a few years after that, in
her twenties, she was killed in a car accident. And
as I told you, that was a guest bedroom that
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I converted into a psychomantium. My mother in law, Lauren's
mother named Linda. She came to visit us for a
few weeks and she slept in that room. And she
was a very healthy, fit person. She's dead now. She's
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been a very healthy, fit person her whole life. And
she was in her early sixties and booms she got
cancer and uh, and she died a few years ago.
And you know what I've just it's I'm just now realizing,
as I tell you, these stories that an awful lot
of the people in the Psychomantium stories are dead now,
and that actually just gave me goose bumps, because I
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I honestly, i'd never really thought about that before. Just now,
I don't I'm not saying I think that the psychomantium
caused this, but I mean, I've never heard anybody else
talk about that, So I don't know what does that mean?
I mean anything? Am I just is it confirmation bias?
It just so happens that these people that I know
of who had some of these profound experiences are they
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passed away, maybe a little earlier than they should. I
don't know, that's weird. Lauren and I are fine, Okay,
Lauren and I are fine. When I moved to Puerto Rico,
I was you know, I cherished this mirror so much,
and I was so afraid, you know, it would get
broken or misplaced, that I entrusted it to my mother, Peggy,
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and she kept the mirror for me. She was hesitant
to do it though. My mom never ever wanted to
look at the mirror. And if you've heard me interview
my mom, you know my m has some very special
sensitivities and so my mom I gave it to her
wrapped up, and she kept it face down on top
of the cabinet all those years and never touched it.
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And then finally, not too long ago, I was visiting
my parents and uh, I got it down and blew
the dust off of it. My mom was like, I
have no desire to look at that mirror and shipped
it out here to Las Vegas. That's where it is
right now here with me in Las Vegas. And I
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tell you that mirror, along with Carville the Alien, are
my two most prized possessions, and I think they both
belong in museums. And I'm so thrilled to have you
know this, this moment to to and to have them
all to myself. But I I have given lots of
love and lots of respect to both of them, and
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everything has been calm and good, and that's how I
plan to keep it. So hopefully, this has been a
pretty darn good overview for you regarding the psychomanthium phenomenon.
And you know, again we have this question of how
much of this is something that just happens in the
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mind of the person, just like a dream, you know,
a dream seems real to you when it's happening. But
if you had a video camera sitting in your bedroom
while you're dreaming, the camera is not going to capture
the dream. That doesn't lessen its reality to you. Is this?
Is it more like that? Is that? You know? That's
why Dr Moody called it the psycho mantium Or are
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there things that can sometimes appear in the more objective
external environment as well, or a little combination of things,
or like, for example, I told you about the creepy
recording that came from the room. Well this was an old,
haunted end, so maybe the recording had nothing to do
directly with the psycho mantheum. These are questions that week
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they're too complex for us to answer. So if you
decide to experiment with some version of the psychomantheum, let
me know. Okay, I've given you all the information you
need about you know how to do this, and and
you can also read Dr Moody's book Reunions. I'm sure
you can find that on Amazon or a lot of
different places. So just yeah, let me know what happens
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to you if you if you set a place of
your you know, spot up aside in your house to
do this. And I want to very publicly thank Dr
Moody and his wife Cheryl, because they are still out
there doing wonderful work and helping a lot of people.
And that weekend that I spent with them at Black
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Mountain was one of the best weekends of my life.
I just loved every single moment of it. And UM
and it's such an honor to have been, you know,
sort of trained in person by Dr Moody, And a
lot of the conversations that we had we're not just
about like how to conjure up a dead person. A
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lot of them had to do with, um, dealing with
with death and and grief in general, and how to
help people through that. The how finite that is, you know,
how how brutal that is, because it's like when when
somebody dies, it's like there's no there's no give there,
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you know what I'm saying. It's like you just have
to deal with it, and it hurts. When we come
back from this break, I want to give you a
little update here on Robert the Haunted Doll. Robert the
Haunted Doll down there in Key West and read you
some emails. I'm Joshua Pete Warren. You're listening to strange
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M Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua Pee Warren,
and I have I have a little mystery for you.
I'm sure some somebody out there will solve this one,
probably pretty easily. If you don't know who Robert the
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Doll is. He he is truly the world's most haunted doll.
You can just look up Robert the Doll. He lives
in Key West, Florida. I even wrote an e book
about it. If you go to my curiosity shop, you'll
find a book called Don't Play with Robert, the World's
most Haunted Doll. And really, you know, the gist of
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it is that almost like a hundred and twenty years ago, uh,
this doll came into the lives of this wealthy family
in Key West, and the sort of urban legend was
always that this wealthy family had a servant and she
was from the Islands, and she knew some magic, and
she got disgruntled, and so she created this doll and
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put some kind of a spirit into it. And for
all these decades people have been claiming the dolls. It
comes to life sometimes and it's attacked people and it's
I mean, the stories go on and on and on,
and I will tell you that this is very interesting
because when you see Robert, he's a large doll. You know,
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he's like probably three ft tall or something, and you
think to yourself, like, wow, this servant had some pretty
impressive doll making skills. But it turns out that a
great researcher and author there in Key West named David Sloan,
he discovered that, in fact, Robert is a rare German
stife doll from the early nineteen hundreds and it's unusually big,
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so he thinks it might have been a store display,
and it was originally in a clown costume. Now currently
Robert is in a little sailor outfit. But um, yeah,
class and where's a lot of people don't like clowns,
So now there's a little clown aspect to Robert. Um
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a clown costume which was like a pink and green
harlequin clown suit adorned with some pom poms. He found
like an ad or something. And also this wealthy family,
they were called the Auto family. They were originally from Germany, Prussia.
And it's believed that Jean's mother many Auto and Jean
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was a little boy who had the doll. Uh that
that his mother, mini Atto, may have purchased the doll
on a trip to Hamburg, Germany while she was visiting relatives,
and then brought him back to Key West. So it
goes to show that the doll was not created from
scratch by um, by this person, this servant, this disgruntled servant. However,
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UM she or somebody certainly modified the doll because it
does not look at all the same as it originally did,
so who knows what was done to it? So that's interesting.
But here's why I'm bringing this up in particular. I
have a YouTube channel, and um I've had it for
gosh a long time. I think since like two thousand
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six or something like that. If you go to YouTube
and just do a search for Joshua pe Warren, you'll
find my channel. I probably have hundreds of videos and
I have gotten millions of views over the past, you know,
fifteen years. And one of the videos, it's very short,
it's only one minute and seven seconds long, and it's
called jp W Meets Robert and this is my actual
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footage of the first time I arrived in Key West, Florida,
all by myself on a sweltering day. This was August
of two thousand and ten, and I walked into the Fort,
the museum there where they keep him, and I was
the only person in there other than the lady at
the front desk. There was nobody else around, so that
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made it even more eerie. So I walked in, and
I walked up and I saw rob for the first time.
And you're supposed to introduce yourself to Robert and be
really nice because if you don't get his sort of
approval and permission to photograph him, bad things happened to you.
And the wall around him is plastered with letters from
people asking for forgiveness because of this. So you know,
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I just basically walked up there, and you see me
say like, hello, Robert, my name is Joshua Warren. I
don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something
like I've come a long way to you know, to
learn about you, and you know, thank you, and blah
blah blah. I just said some nice stuff to him, right,
And that's about it again, one minute and seven seconds long,
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and there are a lot of comments on that video,
and over the past few months, a ton of them
have been comments in Japanese, and I can't figure out
why that is. I'm assuming somebody in Japan who has
some prominence, you know, hosted this uh and and so
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I was going through and trying to let copy and
paste because I know no Japanese at all. I mean,
most people I'm sure in this country do would not
and uh and when you try to translate them, I
don't think these online translators are that great, and I
certainly have not had the time to go through and
try to translate them all, but I'll just do one
here and there. And a lot of them, in one
way or another seemed to say thank you, you know,
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thank you Robert, thank you Robert um And then one
of them said something like did you see that I
just soiled myself? That was one of the comments. I
don't know what he's talking about. Did he see something
that I didn't see in that video? Then there's another
comment that said like Robert, I love you, you know.
So I don't know. I can't figure out from from
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just reading these why all these Japanese comments are being
left on that particular video. So maybe one of you
listening to this show knows more about what's happening in
Japan than I do, and you can tell me why
that is, if somebody's posted something in Japan or I
just don't know. So go to YouTube just type in
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jp W meets Robert and watch this video and see
the comments and see if you can figure it out
and email me. Also while you're you know, if you're
gonna do that while you're there, listen while you are there,
go ahead and subscribe. Subscribe to my YouTube channel please.
I would appreciate that. I'm gonna be posting some really
really cool new videos soon results from some new experiments. Okay,
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moving right along here, uh okay. Also, when it comes
to my Curiosity shop, you will find the para temporal
night vision goggles there. Those are the only goggles that
I use for paranormal research. And by the way, I
um I received an email from a lady who said, I,
I'm in Las Vegas and I want to know how
I can come to your shop and you know, buy
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something from your shop. And I had to explain to
her that I don't have a physical shop. My Curiosity
shop is only an online shop, and uh, it's all
just on my website there. And also I don't even
keep inventory here in Las Vegas. Uh, I things that
I create here, I ship all that stuff to Mobius
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in North Carolina so he can fill the individual orders.
So Heather in Washington State, she got some of these
Peara temporal night vision goggles. And I'm telling you these
are very very affordable. They're they're like, you know, five
dollars for some amazing night vision. And she wrote, well,
you know how I was. I did a show about
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the new Moon possibly being like a primo time to
uh to go out and see some UFO action. Well,
she said, quote, we were out last night stargazing for
the new Moon, and I have to tell you how
amazed we are with these goggles. No need to use
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the infrared except to see what wild animal is creeping
in our wooded backyard. Just the regular night vision setting
brings out so many stars you would never know her there.
Mars is incredibly bright. We saw one oddball shooting star,
not enough information to label it unidentified, but still weird.
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That goes to show what I'm talking about. So thank you, Heather,
thank you very much. Um. Yeah, that's at the Curiosity
shop and let me squeeze this in really quick. Uh.
There is footage also on YouTube if you search for it,
of what is called a subterranean let's see, it's a
subterranean wormhole. It says, can anyone explain this wormhole? Apparently
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caught on tape? Check this out. If you go to
my Twitter feed and you scroll down, you'll find a
link to this. This happened in two thousand and eighteen
in Columbia, South America. A group of UH engineers were
constructing a bunch of big tunnels underground for the government,
some kind of government project, and at one point they
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look over in this tunnel and this tunnel is doing
something that's hard to explain. It's it's like there's a
big giant cloud that suddenly appears and it's pulsing or breathing,
and it's making this big, booming, roaring sound. One of
the guys who was there working said this scared him
to death, like they thought the tunnel was going to collapse,
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and nobody could explain, like why is this tunnel doing this?
And they went and talked to a physicist, and the
physicist said something must be controlling it. We know there
are wormholes out there. This might actually be a wormhole
that these guys have tapped into right here on Earth
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in South America. I'm gonna try to learn more about that,
but if you know more about it, please send me
the information. And I don't think we're looking at something
that can just be explained by some mist or fog
or whatever that just sort of appears under certain pressurized conditions.
This is something amazing and really different. So check that
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out and also follow me on Twitter if you see
the footage. Okay, my friends, here it is take a
deep breath the good Fortune tone. That's it for this
(54:43):
edition of the show. Follow me on Twitter at Joshua
pe Warren. Plus visit Joshua pe Warren dot com to
sign up for my free e newsletter to receive a
free instant gift, and check out the cool Stuff and
the Curiosity Shop all at Oshawa pee Warren dot com.
I have a fun one lined up for you next time,
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I promise, So please tell all your friends to subscribe
to this show and who always remember the Golden rule.
Thank you for listening, thank you for your interest in support,
Thank you for staying curious. And I We'll talk to
you again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on
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