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and a lot more on this edition of the show.
dB Cooper and Horror Movie Tales. Now, I'm not going
to spend too much time on dB Cooper because a
lot of people have years and years and years and
I'm not one of them. But I do have some
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new thoughts on this, and I figure out what the heck,
I'll let you know about it. If you don't know
who dB Cooper is, I'll explain in a minute. Um,
he hijacked the plane back in nineteen seven. He one,
and to this day nobody knows who he was. He
got away with it, and the story may or may
not be paranormal. Some people think there's a supernatural element.
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It's certainly a great mystery because it is the only
significant unsolved hijacking ever and uh, it's strange, but it's
definitely one of the strange things that has happened in
our country here in the U s of A. So, yeah,
you know, I I occasionally I will develop TV shows.
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I don't do much of that anymore because I found
that the TV business is very, very time consuming. It
reminds me of that Elvis song. A little less conversation,
a little more action. You have to have tons of
phone calls and teleconferences and zoom things, and you don't
know if it's gonna go anywhere or not. Very time consuming.
But occasionally I will pitch an idea to a network
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and it gets it gets picked up, and so years Ago,
I met Jeff Mudget who um believes that one of
his ancestors, one of his great grandfather's, was the American
serial killer H. H. Holmes, And he believes that H. H.
Holmes actually went to England and committed the Jack the
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Ripper murders. And he's got this whole big theory about it.
He wrote a book about it, Bloodstains really interesting. I
met him at a conference in New York, and Uh,
I said, let me try pitching this as a show,
and so I did. I pitched it to the History
Channel and it got picked up and it got turned
into a series called American Ripper. And so I'm always
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interested in, uh watching History Channel documentaries where they go
back and they try to solve mysteries. And years ago
they did a documentary where they were trying to figure
out who D. B. Cooper was, and of course they didn't,
but they didn't raise some interesting points. And now Netflix
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had has just come out with this new documentary. It's
a series that I watched recently. It's called dB Cooper,
Where Are You? And Uh, they're going back and they
are they're kind of picking up or the History Channel
thing left off and looking at other clues, and they
brought up some things that I've never heard about before. Okay,
so if this is new to you, Okay, in a nutshell,
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uh the day before Thanksgiving, on November nineteen one, this tall,
clean cut, dark haired man wearing sunglasses in a black
business suit carried a briefcase onto an aircraft, uh, an airplane.
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Let's see here, this was a Okay, the air the
aircraft was flying from Portland, Oregon to Seattle, Washington, a
relatively short uh a short flight there. And you have
to understand, especially if you're one of the younger folks
who listens to this show. Back in those days, there
was virtually no security. Okay, you could just walts onto
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an airplane. And you still can do that really if
you have it like a private chartered plane. But you know,
my wife Lauren and I we've talked about the fact
that going through the security can be such a pain.
Maybe they're on a be just a fly at your
own risk airlines. Right when you say I'm just gonna
go for it, I feel lucky today. Obviously, you want
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to make sure the airplane is not flying over any
populated areas, because you know, if it goes down. Well,
the people on the ground don't have any any control
over that, but back in those days, it was it
was that's how it was, fly their own risk. So
this polite, uh, sort of unassuming man who kind of
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looked like every other businessman of the day, he walks
onto this airplane, he sits down, they take off, Uh,
he starts smoking some cigarettes, He orders a whiskey, and
then he calls a flighty two over and he passes
her a note and he says, I have a bomb
in this briefcase. And from there, of course, they they
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kept the passengers in the dark about what was happening,
but he started giving um demands to the staff. And
essentially what he wanted was he said he wanted the
plane to land. And I can't remember exactly where it landed,
but he said he when he when the plane landed,
he would let the passengers off, but he wanted in
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return two hundred thousand dollars, which in today's money is
worth over a million dollars. And he wanted I think
like three or four parachutes. So obviously everybody was like, seriously,
this guy is gonna try to parachute out of this plane.
But they said in this documentary, it's a stroke of
genius that he asked for uh, three or four parachutes,
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because if he had just asked for one, then they
would say, well, he's gonna use this. So they may
have tampered with it, but they thought, well, maybe he's
gonna take some hostages when this crazy guy jumps out
of this plane. So uh, they didn't tamper with those parachutes.
So anyway, sure enough the plane lands. Uh, they've delivered
him the two thousand dollars and the parachutes, and he
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lets everybody off the plane just like he said he would,
except for um, the crew. And then they take off again,
and he he said that he wanted to be flown
to Mexico City. Now it's a very very dark and
stormy November night, very harsh conditions, and he was somewhere
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over the Pacific Northwest on this just terrifying night with
lightning flashing everywhere, and um, he goes to the back
and the crew, here is something going on. And then
sure enough, this guy in his in his suit, in
his business suit as has opened some door and upped
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off of this plane with that money into the thick
woodland of the Pacific Northwest. Uh, never to be seen
or heard from again. And UH for a long time,
they thought he might have actually been in Nevada, like
around Reno or something, and some people thought he was
maybe good, I'd try to make it to Vegas. But anyway,
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nobody knows where he landed exactly. Um, you know we're
talking about this has been over fifty years ago. People
said they thought he was in his mid forties. So
if this guy is still alive, he's pushing you know,
he's getting close to a hundred. Um. Nobody knows if
he lived or died. They never found the confirmed evidence
of a parachute. They did find some of his money
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at some point on a like a little river bank
or something. But anyway, so nobody knows what happened to
this guy. So it's become the stuff of legends. Right.
So here's what I found interesting about this new documentary
and why I wanted to bring this up to you,
because it is it's one of those mysteries that I've
just never talked to about before, because people were very
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serious when they start investigating this, and you know, I
all I know is what I've seen on TV or
heard on the radio or read about in articles like
I am not a dB Cooper expert guy, so please
don't hold my opinion against me. And but here's what
they pointed out. Okay, for one thing, I do think
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it is amazing that that a guy like that um
got away with it. Even if he died, he still
kind of got away with it. Because we we never
found his body, we don't know who he was. But
if he did survive, it's even more astounding. I mean,
people just don't get away with stuff like that. Eventually
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we find out, you know, somebody brags in a bar,
or somebody says, you know what this looks like my
brother or or my dad or my son, or like
people talk. And so I always thought that was just
amaz thing to me that all the investigative techniques never
determined who he was. And one of the points they
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made in this documentary was that, well, he may not
have been an American. If he were not an American,
then it would have been much much more difficult to
figure out who he was if he'd made it out
of our country. That makes sense to me. On the contrary,
they there are people in this documentary saying that they
thought he might be a Canadian. I was like, okay,
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well that could be. You know, we're dealing with that
part of the country up near Canada. And they said
to listen to this. They said that when he asked
for his two hundred thousand dollars, he said he wanted
negotiable American currency. Now that sounds weird, doesn't it. I
was born and raised in the US of A, and
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my family has been here for many generations. And I
don't think that if I were going to demand money,
I would be that specific. I think I would just
be like, I want two hundred thousand dollars there in
my duff a bag and unmarked bills and no funny
stuff pal. You know. I don't think I'll be like
I would like some negotiable American currency. I mean that
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that makes me think, okay, yeah, that sounds like something.
And uh okay, here's the next thing. Now, now this
one right here, this might be the real clincher. Though.
I we're already up on a break. When we come back.
I think after you hear what I'm about to tell
you, you you might agree, like, yeah, this guy, whoever he was,
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he was probably a Canadian and and if he died fine,
but if he made it across the border, he may
have been able to disappear. But there's one other big
reason that it seems like he might be a Canadian.
Then I know this is all really weird, but I'm
gonna tie this into some horror movie stories. You know
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You know, a lot of people kind of view dB
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Cooper is some kind of a cult hero because he well,
he was obviously smart, he was obviously talented, and he
he went into this situation kept as cool. Uh. He
he pulled it off, He got the money, he stuck
it to the man, and nobody died. I, however, completely
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disagree with that because I think that it's only a
miracle by the grace of God that nobody died. Uh.
Everything that he did jeopardized the lives of every single
person on that airplane, not to mention anybody underneath that airplane.
So I feel like that it was he was He's
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a terrible criminal, and I mean, yeah, he obviously had
some skills, but he should not be viewed heroically. Being
a criminal of that nature is not heroic. Um. I
understand there are times when laws have to be broken.
That's what the founders of this country did when they
were breaking the British rule. I get that. But hijacking
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an airplane and that's not that's not cool ever. Okay,
But anyway, all right, why did he get away with this?
How is this possible after fifty more than fifty years? Well, um, okay,
if he was from another country, that would help. But
listen to this. The fact that he may have been
a Canadian was reinforced by the fact that when he
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actually gave his name at the ticket counter, and they
said that back in those days, like I wasn't even
born in nineteen seventy while, okay, but if you if
you wanted a ticket, you could just walk into the
airport and you could just buy a ticket, you know,
just like you're buying a bus ticket. And he he
did not actually give the name D. B. Cooper. He
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gave the name Dan Cooper, d A. N. Dan Cooper.
At some point there was a mistranslation in media stories
and it got turned into D. B. Cooper which has stuck.
But he said his name was Dan Cooper. Well, it
turns out, and I had never heard this before, that
there was a very popular, uh I mean popular yet
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obscure in America comic book hero in Canada called Dan Cooper.
And just to get this straight here, okay, I'm reading this. Uh.
The The Cooper research team, led by Tom kay Uh,
working in cooperation with the Seattle based FBI agent Larry Carr,
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speculate the hijacker may have chosen an alias based on
the fictional character Dan Cooper. Uh. They suggest the hijacker
may have been exposed to the comics while on a
tour of duty in Europe, or that he may have
been a French Canadian origin. Some of the comics storylines
seemingly match aspects of the dB Cooper case, including jumping
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out of a plane with a parachute, as well as
a ransom being delivered in a knapsack. Whoa um so,
yeah's looking up? Dan Cooper, fictional Canadian military flying ace
and a rocket ship pilot says it was conceived in
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nineteen fifty four, been around a while and uh he
is a test pilot in the Royal Canadian Air force
this fictional character. Okay, and um so look well, I
think one of the guys in the documentary said this
would be sort of like somebody walking in and saying
my name is Tony Hawk and then committing a robbery
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and escaping on a skateboard, and you're like, Okay, that's
a bit much for coincidence. So I now I think that, yeah,
that I'm sort of convinced this is the most likely
uh see ri or call it a hypothesis, whatever you
this is. This is one of the most likely probabilities
that I've heard about that this guy was a Canadian
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who did this and we should start, you know, looking there.
So when when I was watching this documentary, they were interviewing,
uh they were. They showed interviews, you know, archival footage
with the Clark County Sheriff. Now Clark County is where
Las Vegas is located. It's a big, big county. But like,
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like I say, they were they were thinking for a
while that he may have actually ended up in Nevada
and he was working his way to Vegas, and who knows,
maybe he did. And you know, I'm out there now,
I own this this land near area fifty one, and
I'm exploring all these mysteries. And on my last podcast,
I was talking about, you know, going out there to
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to the desert and sitting around having a whiskey, just
like old DV. Cooper around the campfire, kind of setting
it on and talking about how weird it is out here,
how there's just mysteries upon mysteries upon mysteries start layering here.
And as we were sitting around, I said, you know what,
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I did a podcast a while back about synchronicity, and
everybody seems to like that topic. And I said, I
I remember a story that I don't think I've ever
told before. You know, they're talking about making a dB
Cooper movie. And uh so, anyway, I was talking about
like some of my experiences working on movies and TV shows.
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I said, here is. I don't know if anybody else
is going to think this is as amazing as I do,
but let me just toss it out there and you
tell me so, like, oh, over ten years ago, I
can't remember, let's see, I think it was two foul
some ten something like that. I was, yeah, probably on
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two thousand ten, like so, like twelve thirteen years ago,
somewhere around I got contacted by Warner Brothers and they
told me that they were going to be making this
horror movie called The Apparition. And the horror movie was
about a group of college kids to get together and
try to create a ghost. And it was kind of
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based on the Philip experiment. And the idea was that
they all came together and created a talpa. But uh,
once you create a talpa, guess what, he's not a
very nice guy and so he starts trying to kill everybody, right,
all right, makes sense for a horror movie. And they
got some of the best young rising stars at that
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time to be in the movie. Uh, they got Ashley Green.
And Ashley Green was in the Twilight series. Now, if
you never watched Twilight, you might not even know who
she is though, because she's kind of an obscure actress
in my opinion. Okay, but if you watch Twilight, you
know who she is. And then it had Sebastian stand
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in it, and he went on to gain fame when
the Marvel stuff like Captain America and then had Tom
Felton in it. He was he was a little Malfoy,
the bad guy kid and Harry Potter. So I mean,
there were some you know, serious names in there. And
they hired me to be the ghost consultant because they
wanted their experiments and stuff to look realistic. And I
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had laboratory, so I put a team together and not
only did we actually sort of recreate some of the
experiments that they did in the movie, which you can
watch if you are able to find a blu ray
copy of the apparition that has um all the extras
and stuff like that. But they were so impressed, Warner
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Brothers was They said, hey, Josh, we want to send
you out here, uh to the set, okay, and and
we want to interview you on the set of the movie.
I said, that's that's fantastic, what a cool thing. So
they flew me out to l A. They put me
up in the Haunted Roosevelt Hotel there in Hollywood. They
wrote me out of the set and I got to
meet all these people. I met, you know, Ashley Green
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and all the actors and stuff and um, which that
I'm gonna get back to that in a minute, because
I don't want to get too far off track here
because there are a lot of little connections. So the
movie came out the Apparition, and um, it was. It
was a big flop. Okay, it was a big flop.
I mean, there's no two ways about it. It just
it didn't do well at the box office. And I
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did my job well, but I'm just like you know,
the nonfiction consultant guy. Uh. But for whatever reason, it didn't.
It was not a success. And most people have probably
never even heard of the Apparition. And like I said,
most people probably have never even heard of Ashley Green
or or a lot of those characters, those actors. Right,
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all right, so last year, Okay, so we're we're talking
about um again, this is like twelve thirteen years ago.
I worked on this movie. Last year. I was here
in Vegas with my wife Lauren and my good buddy
filmmaker see Eric Scott, and we were running around doing
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some bar hop in downtown and there are a lot
of really weird bars around Fremont Street, and it was
a packt night, probably like a Saturday night. And um
was some point we started talking about projects we'd worked on,
and I brought up Ashley Green out of the Blue,
and I think I said something like uh. At one point, um,
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I probably they threw away some of her like wardrobe
or something in the garbage can, and I felt like, hey,
I bet if I'd fished that out of the garbage can,
I could put that on eBay ha ha, you know,
because she's got some fans out there. Right. So anyways,
I bring up Ashley Mean, I haven't brought up Ashley
Green in years. And uh so, anyway, here we are,
we're moving from bar to bar. We went to this
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bar called the Griffin, and they have these vending machines
the likes of which I've never seen anywhere else, and
you can buy mystery boxes. There's like a five dollar
mystery box, a ten dollar mystery bocks, mystery bocks, and
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it's kind of a fun thing to do after you've
had a few drinks in Las Vegas, is to say,
what is the surprise going to be here? So I
go up to the machine. I can't remember. I think
it was like the ten dollar mystery bocks that I
bought it. Falls take it to the bar. I sit
down next to Lauren and Eric, and I say, let's
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see what's in the mystery box. When we come back,
I will tell you what was in the mystery box.
And then some other it's weird like synchronicities I've had
when I really think about it, when it comes to
run ins with people who have been in horror movies.
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is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Late night,
bar Las Vegas. I opened the mystery box. The first
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thing I pulled out was one of those little uh
fortune telling fish. You know, there's little it's like a
little piece of thin red plastic. The curls up in
your hand and I think it's just the I think
it's just the humidity coming off your hand that does that.
I think that's what they figured out. So anyway, but
those are cool. And then there was like some skittles
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in there, and then you know, maybe like a whistle
or so. I'm going through all this little stuff that
they've put in this box, and there is one trading
hard in there and I pull it out and guess what,
It's an Ashley Green trading card. I don't even remember
what kind of a card it was, like, I don't
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even know whether it would be a trading card with
an actress on it or something. But here is I mean,
like my not only did my jaw hit the bar,
but also Eric's and Lawrence because it was just so
random that I've just been talking about her for the
first time in ages and then I get this mystery
box and I pulled that out. Now what does that mean?
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As pee wee Herman said, I don't know, but there
was a lot of synchronicity that was surrounding that movie
for example. Okay, so when I went there to be
a part of the production where I was on the
actual set and and by the way, Ashley Green was
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so sweet and all the actors are really nice, and
I wish of nothing but great success, and I wish
that movie had done better for all for everybody involved.
But you know, they're all great people and they'll all
be rich and famous for the rest of their lives,
I'm sure. But um, when I was on the set,
this was a Warner Brothers set, so there were a
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lot of people I don't even know, you know, certainly
over a hundred people. It's kind of a funny story.
By the way. Um I was standing there one at
one point and there was um some lady I don't
know who she was, and she came up to the
assistant director and she says, she looks over and there's
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a rock in front of this house, like in the lawn.
And she said, is that a real rock or is
that a prop rock? And he goes, h, I don't know.
And she goes, well, because I don't want to touch it,
you know, if it's a prop rock, But if it's
a real rock, I'd like to get it out of
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the way. And he says, yeah, well, let me go
ask this other director, you know, and then and then
that person. So there's like this. It took them thirty
minutes to figure out whether or not this rock was
a real rock or a fake rock. And I thought
that was That's a good example of what Hollywood is like.
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This is a good example of what that what it's
like to be immersed in that world where nobody even
knows what to believe. I think a lot of people
lose all sense of control and logic in that environment.
But all right, anyway, so we were because there were
a bunch of people and we were actually on location
at this real house filming this thing. Then they had
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a shuttle that would take everybody back to um, you know,
like their parking areas. Right, So it's I mean, it's
it's been a long, long day for everybody. And I
noticed that there was this guy who had like white
hair and a white beer in the ball cap, and
he was he was the director of photography. He was
the director of photographer. This is the guy who operates
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the camera. This is the guy who shoots the movie.
Very very important. I mean, he and the director are
in control of a lot of what happens on a
movie set. And so anyway, I end up getting on
the shuttle and there was probably just like a fifteen
minute or twenty minute ride back to the parking area,
and so I just so happened to sit down next
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to him, which I think is fantastic because you know,
I started studying filmmaking when I was a kid, and
you know, I I learned how to develop motion picture
footage and all that, and I said, hey, it's great
to be able to meet you. Uh, how did you
get into you know, the business so to speak? Right,
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super nice guy and he tells me, says, well, you
know I was living in Texas and uh, he said this.
You know, this guy I knew came up with this
idea for this horror movie called the Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
and he asked me if I would film it, and
I was like what, yeah, Okay. I end up sitting
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next to Daniel Pearl, who is the guy who shot
the Texas Chainsaw Massacre for Toby Hooper. All right, I
can't to this day, I can't believe this. So I
it's one of those things where like, if you're into
this kind of stuff, you should have been a fly
on the wall, because I had fifteen minutes to just
pick this guy's brain about what that was like. And
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I won't get into it right now. Maybe Halloween time
I'll get back into it, but I'm telling you, like
he went on, Okay, Daniel Pearl, he he filmed others,
he filmed one of the Friday Thirteenth movies. Um, he filmed,
Uh let's see, oh yeah, he filmed. Like, well, some
of you will will not be impressed by this. He
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filmed the video for I Do Anything for Love, but
I won't do that, uh one of the aliens like
Alien Versus Predator movies. So I got to sit here,
like just talk to this guy and have an intelligent
conversation with this guy. And I was thinking about the
synchronicity that I experienced around that, and then I said
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to Lauren, I said, you know, it's kind of been
like that my whole life. And I've once in a
while I asked everybody to leave positive reviews for this
podcast if you like it. But sometimes I read a
negative review and they say, like, all this guy does
is talk about himself. Well, I mean, I guess that's
kind of true, because all I have is myself to
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give context to the things that I'm interested in. I
guess what they mean by that is I'm not interviewing
people constantly, but people who are interviewed constantly are interviewed constantly.
You can go any all over the place in fine interviews.
I'm trying to like process some of my own experiences
and and share them with you and just tell you
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what I know for a fact, because that's the only
way you do know something for effect you experienced it.
But it's so weird. It's like when I was a teenager,
I I it was eighteen, I created an Ashville historic
tour in North Carolina, and I was standing outside of
the Renaissance, which was the hotel we ran it out of,
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and I look over and here is Everett McGill, the
guy who played the werewolf in the old Silver Bullet movie,
you know, like the Stephen King's Silver Bullet movie that
had Corey Ham in it. I mean, like he and
and then that's now talk about a scary looking man
to see in person. He's a tall drink of water
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and I'm like, I can't he was in town filming
a movie. Uh. And I started going down the list
of like run ins I've had with horror movie people,
and I guess it's not that weird because of the
work that I do. I mean, like I've been at
on TV sets and like I met Whitley Streeber on
a on a TV set, and uh, he he always
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seemed very kind of like he's real nice, but very uncomfortable,
kind of like talking about some of his experiences. I
met Chris Lutz, who was um one of the kids
who was in the Amityville horror story, like the real story.
You know, it's like his dad George Lutz. Actually that
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was a stepdad. His stepdad George Lutz and and and
his mother, Cathew Lutz. They bought the house and Chris
Lutz lived there with them while the whole Amityville thing
went on. I met him at a conference. I got
to meet Clive Barker at an event and he signed
some stuff for me. And now he made some creepy stuff.
I was. I was doing, um paranormal Papa Rozzi, and uh,
(34:51):
one day they go, hey, this guy, he's a friend
of ours. He wants to stop in and say hi,
And um, it is Carl Gottlieb who wrote Jaws. You know.
He and Peter Benchley wrote the screenplay for Jaws. And
and of course we're asking him, like, well, who wrote
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that line We're gonna need a bigger boat? And he
laughed and he goes, we didn't races, Peter didn't write
at night and write is I think that? Um? Was it?
Roy Schneider, I guess his name is? He says, I
think he just came up with that off the cuff,
Roy Schinder anyway, Um, and then you know, I got
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to meet Dan ackroyd On on a movie set and
Aidan quinn Um. You know he's he was in a
great movie called Haunted. I got to work with him.
When I was a kid. I went into an airport.
I was like twelve years old. I was in Maine
and I walked in and there was Dean Stockwell from
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Quantum Leap. He was in the bathroom, standing next to
me at the urinal and uh, if you ever meet
me in rive and I'll tell you an even funnier
version of that story. But you know he was I
think in the Dunwich Horror or something. And then you know,
I just I could go on and on. I've had
these interesting run ins with with horror movie people, and
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I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff. But anyway, I think that's
just kind of again. You can look at it from
my point of view and say, uh, well, that's amazing.
But on the other hand, like, wellde you know you
you run around in these show biss circles, You're gonna
meet some of these people. I met Eileen Deats from
The Exorcist. Um. But that Ashley Green moment, when that
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when that card came out of that box like that
does not what I just said does not apply to that.
You see how profound that is, how amazing that is.
There are things that happened. There are real things that
happened that give you a glimpse into reality and what's
what's what's going on behind the scenes. When we come
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back from this break, I have to read this message
to you that I received, And this is from somebody
that I know very very well, and so I'm vouching
for this and I know it's true. And he's an
older man and he so he sat down and instead
of typing it, he took out a pin and he
wrote this story for you about something that changed his life.
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And I think when you hear this, some of you
might be able to relate to this kind of thing.
I'm not really sure, but it honestly it opened his eyes.
I'm Joshua Pete Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal
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podcast network. I'll be right back. Welcome back to the
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final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the
I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am paranormal
podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And
this story was told to me, face to face, eye
t I by a man that I know very well
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and North Carolina, and I asked him to write it
down so that I could share it with you. And
it's so personal that he doesn't want to give his name.
But like I say, I vouched for this man's story
because I know him that well. He wrote and I'm
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reading his actual handwriting here. A few years back, I
was brought to my senses while outside walking down my driveway.
I was suddenly caught off guard. My neighbor, also an
old man like me, was constantly complaining and looking for
a handout, and he said he was unable to do anything.
(39:35):
But yet almost every day he would walk nearly a
mile to the store to buy a pack of cigarettes
and then back home. And some days he would do
this three times a day. And this kept running through
my mind. Things weren't going too well for me either.
I was constantly working trying to make ends meet. I
(39:57):
make odds and ends for money, but things were slow.
I could barely pay the bills, and my head was
boiling with all of the stress of my own problems
and suddenly I heard an audible, clear, loud voice, and
it said, do not judge people. A few seconds later,
(40:23):
it said, I have plans for you. No one was
there except me, and I was so scared that I
dropped the water hose. I was weak and trembling all over,
and I immediately went inside the basement and shut the door.
And then I started sobbing and crying like a baby.
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Who was this voice? Was it the Lord or the Devil?
I reasoned in my mind that it must be the Lord,
because the devil wouldn't say that. A few minutes later,
my wife drove up, and remembering the water hose, I
went to get it out of the driveway and I
was still bawling my eyes out, and my wife was
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scared to death and jumped out of the car, screaming,
what's the matter, what's the matter? She was terrified and
white as a ghost. And I asked her to come
to the basement, and then I shut the door and
I told her what had happened. Page two. Tears were
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in her eyes as she comforted me. That was a
really wonderful thing, she said, and she believed everything that
I told her. She is a wonderful woman and the
only one I ever told about this until recently. Since then,
I spent nearly two weeks in the hospital from a
car wreck. Last year, I had a heart attack and
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spent another two weeks in the hospital. I've been cut
from my throat to my navel, but today I'm feeling fine.
This has definitely made a believer out of me. I
no longer judge anyone. If I have any bad thoughts
about someone, I just keep my mouth shut. Many people
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have had these experiences, and I am thankful to be
one of them. Signed the Witness, and he also includes
Matthew Chapter seven, Verse one, judge not that ye be
not judged. So uh does that ring for any of you?
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He told me he had never heard an audible voice
like that in his life regarding anything. Thank you so
much for sharing that story, and I guarantee you there
there's somebody out there who needs to hear that right now.
Next email, this came from a man named Michael. I
(43:03):
have all his email address and name, but I'll just
give his name Michael, because he talks about some stuff
that's a little bit personal. But he says the bad buster.
The bad Buster is amazing. What he's talking about is
if you go to my curiosity shop at Joshua P.
Warren dot com, there's a device that is occasionally in
stock called the psionic D Materializer, known as the bad Buster,
(43:23):
and he says, well, sir, that psionic D materializer is
something else. I get results every single time, no matter
what bad I think, I want to get rid of it,
somehow always works. I have learned to you, I'm I've
learned from you that I need to be open to
the universe to receive what transpires, may not and usually
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is not what I necessarily want, but what the universe
gives me. And it turns out it's always exactly what
I needed to be, whether it's money or spontaneous feelings
of joy and love. And I have felt joy at
least once a day for about a year now, and
that is very new and unexpected for me. I have
had relationships completely transformed through that powerful, magical thing. He says.
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I've broken two of them because a kid, you not.
The energy produced from a bad Buster is so intense.
I knocked it over without even touching it one time.
Says this last time, I was going to buy another
bit decided to glue it together instead to see what happens.
And I'll tell you what happened. A seventy thousand plus
dollar I R S debt is now all but gone.
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Did you hear that? Let me repeat that. He said,
A seventy thousand dollar plus I R S debt is
now all but gone and I am a happy camper.
Another interesting thing, My partner and I are devoted to
your podcast, and that we are anticipating your your show
and George Lori's Gaya show every Wednesday and Friday. He says. Uh. Anyway,
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he goes on and say, my life during the past
five years has become magical and it is due in
very large part because I take the heart and practice
the things you suggest on your show. How do you
say thank you to that? Well, thank you, Joshua, I'm sorry,
Please forgive me. I love you. I am so very
grateful to have you in my life. And he says,
(45:24):
I used the force every day because I have nerve
damage in my hands and find motor skills. And he says, uh,
every day I ask for I see gratitude and love,
and I asked the universe to help me use my hands,
(45:45):
say Hello to Lauren for me and have a wonder
filled day. Isn't that nice? You see why I make
this stuff because I get messages like that from people
who say that, congratulations Michael, and just keep it up.
You keep it up, my friend, and spread the word
(46:06):
and tell everybody. Okay, here's a message from a woman
named Diane, and she wants to talk about one of
my previous podcast where I let's see, I did one
called what do the Aliens Really Want? And she says, Hi, Joshua,
I'm a new listener to your podcast and I just
finished the What do the Aliens Really Want? Episode? I
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probably fall into the open minded skeptic category of believers,
though more open minded than skeptic. I trust my intuition
and clear sentience when considering and researching paranormal phenomenon and
just big life questions in general. And I want to believe,
but my ana little analytical mind keeps me grounded. She says.
(46:56):
My reason for writing to you today is to thank you.
To thank you for comparing the treatment of animals by
humans to how aliens may be treating humans for their
own benefit, and specifically for including the consumption of animals
in that list. The treatment of animals is one of
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humanity's deepest flaws and one that makes me ashamed to
be a human, along with an inexhaustive list of others.
But I believe we have finally turned a bright corner
in that awareness, and bringing this point of view to
your listeners has also planted a seed in their consciousness
that we can only hope will one day take root.
(47:41):
Peace Diane, Well, thank you, Diane. I'm glad that you
see the value in that. And look, I can't help
but agree that there is something gross and barbaric about
eating animals. But I gotta confess with you. I've said
this before. If I die and God it is a chicken,
I'm in big trouble because I ate a lot of chicken.
(48:03):
Um and And something else that has also crossed my
mind is that I used to do tests all the
time on plants where I would hook them up to
different types of sensors and I would cut them or
burn them and they would respond with these huge electrical signals.
So I'm not sure that plants don't feel things just
(48:26):
like animals do. I kind of believe the whole world
is a conscious place, So what are we supposed to eat.
I don't know, but I definitely think that what you're
what you're saying here is that we can do a
better job of being more responsible and kind and sympathetic
and empathetic. And I hope everybody takes that the heart.
(48:49):
Thank you, Diane, And now let's see if we can
give everybody some good fortune over the next week. Huh.
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and a lot more on this edition of the show.
dB Cooper and Horror Movie Tales. Now, I'm not going
to spend too much time on dB Cooper because a
lot of people have years and years and years and
I'm not one of them. But I do have some
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new thoughts on this, and I figure out what the heck,
I'll let you know about it. If you don't know
who dB Cooper is, I'll explain in a minute. Um,
he hijacked the plane back in nineteen seven. He one,
and to this day nobody knows who he was. He
got away with it, and the story may or may
not be paranormal. Some people think there's a supernatural element.
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It's certainly a great mystery because it is the only
significant unsolved hijacking ever and uh, it's strange, but it's
definitely one of the strange things that has happened in
our country here in the U s of A. So, yeah,
you know, I I occasionally I will develop TV shows.
(02:36):
I don't do much of that anymore because I found
that the TV business is very, very time consuming. It
reminds me of that Elvis song. A little less conversation,
a little more action. You have to have tons of
phone calls and teleconferences and zoom things, and you don't
know if it's gonna go anywhere or not. Very time consuming.
But occasionally I will pitch an idea to a network
(02:58):
and it gets it gets picked up, and so years Ago,
I met Jeff Mudget who um believes that one of
his ancestors, one of his great grandfather's, was the American
serial killer H. H. Holmes, And he believes that H. H.
Holmes actually went to England and committed the Jack the
(03:18):
Ripper murders. And he's got this whole big theory about it.
He wrote a book about it, Bloodstains really interesting. I
met him at a conference in New York, and Uh,
I said, let me try pitching this as a show,
and so I did. I pitched it to the History
Channel and it got picked up and it got turned
into a series called American Ripper. And so I'm always
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interested in, uh watching History Channel documentaries where they go
back and they try to solve mysteries. And years ago
they did a documentary where they were trying to figure
out who D. B. Cooper was, and of course they didn't,
but they didn't raise some interesting points. And now Netflix
(03:59):
had has just come out with this new documentary. It's
a series that I watched recently. It's called dB Cooper,
Where Are You? And Uh, they're going back and they
are they're kind of picking up or the History Channel
thing left off and looking at other clues, and they
brought up some things that I've never heard about before. Okay,
so if this is new to you, Okay, in a nutshell,
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uh the day before Thanksgiving, on November nineteen one, this tall,
clean cut, dark haired man wearing sunglasses in a black
business suit carried a briefcase onto an aircraft, uh, an airplane.
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Let's see here, this was a Okay, the air the
aircraft was flying from Portland, Oregon to Seattle, Washington, a
relatively short uh a short flight there. And you have
to understand, especially if you're one of the younger folks
who listens to this show. Back in those days, there
was virtually no security. Okay, you could just walts onto
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an airplane. And you still can do that really if
you have it like a private chartered plane. But you know,
my wife Lauren and I we've talked about the fact
that going through the security can be such a pain.
Maybe they're on a be just a fly at your
own risk airlines. Right when you say I'm just gonna
go for it, I feel lucky today. Obviously, you want
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to make sure the airplane is not flying over any
populated areas, because you know, if it goes down. Well,
the people on the ground don't have any any control
over that, but back in those days, it was it
was that's how it was, fly their own risk. So
this polite, uh, sort of unassuming man who kind of
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looked like every other businessman of the day, he walks
onto this airplane, he sits down, they take off, Uh,
he starts smoking some cigarettes, He orders a whiskey, and
then he calls a flighty two over and he passes
her a note and he says, I have a bomb
in this briefcase. And from there, of course, they they
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kept the passengers in the dark about what was happening,
but he started giving um demands to the staff. And
essentially what he wanted was he said he wanted the
plane to land. And I can't remember exactly where it landed,
but he said he when he when the plane landed,
he would let the passengers off, but he wanted in
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return two hundred thousand dollars, which in today's money is
worth over a million dollars. And he wanted I think
like three or four parachutes. So obviously everybody was like, seriously,
this guy is gonna try to parachute out of this plane.
But they said in this documentary, it's a stroke of
genius that he asked for uh, three or four parachutes,
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because if he had just asked for one, then they
would say, well, he's gonna use this. So they may
have tampered with it, but they thought, well, maybe he's
gonna take some hostages when this crazy guy jumps out
of this plane. So uh, they didn't tamper with those parachutes.
So anyway, sure enough the plane lands. Uh, they've delivered
him the two thousand dollars and the parachutes, and he
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lets everybody off the plane just like he said he would,
except for um, the crew. And then they take off again,
and he he said that he wanted to be flown
to Mexico City. Now it's a very very dark and
stormy November night, very harsh conditions, and he was somewhere
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over the Pacific Northwest on this just terrifying night with
lightning flashing everywhere, and um, he goes to the back
and the crew, here is something going on. And then
sure enough, this guy in his in his suit, in
his business suit as has opened some door and upped
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off of this plane with that money into the thick
woodland of the Pacific Northwest. Uh, never to be seen
or heard from again. And UH for a long time,
they thought he might have actually been in Nevada, like
around Reno or something, and some people thought he was
maybe good, I'd try to make it to Vegas. But anyway,
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nobody knows where he landed exactly. Um, you know we're
talking about this has been over fifty years ago. People
said they thought he was in his mid forties. So
if this guy is still alive, he's pushing you know,
he's getting close to a hundred. Um. Nobody knows if
he lived or died. They never found the confirmed evidence
of a parachute. They did find some of his money
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at some point on a like a little river bank
or something. But anyway, so nobody knows what happened to
this guy. So it's become the stuff of legends. Right.
So here's what I found interesting about this new documentary
and why I wanted to bring this up to you,
because it is it's one of those mysteries that I've
just never talked to about before, because people were very
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serious when they start investigating this, and you know, I
all I know is what I've seen on TV or
heard on the radio or read about in articles like
I am not a dB Cooper expert guy, so please
don't hold my opinion against me. And but here's what
they pointed out. Okay, for one thing, I do think
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it is amazing that that a guy like that um
got away with it. Even if he died, he still
kind of got away with it. Because we we never
found his body, we don't know who he was. But
if he did survive, it's even more astounding. I mean,
people just don't get away with stuff like that. Eventually
(09:45):
we find out, you know, somebody brags in a bar,
or somebody says, you know what this looks like my
brother or or my dad or my son, or like
people talk. And so I always thought that was just
amaz thing to me that all the investigative techniques never
determined who he was. And one of the points they
(10:05):
made in this documentary was that, well, he may not
have been an American. If he were not an American,
then it would have been much much more difficult to
figure out who he was if he'd made it out
of our country. That makes sense to me. On the contrary,
they there are people in this documentary saying that they
thought he might be a Canadian. I was like, okay,
(10:28):
well that could be. You know, we're dealing with that
part of the country up near Canada. And they said
to listen to this. They said that when he asked
for his two hundred thousand dollars, he said he wanted
negotiable American currency. Now that sounds weird, doesn't it. I
was born and raised in the US of A, and
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my family has been here for many generations. And I
don't think that if I were going to demand money,
I would be that specific. I think I would just
be like, I want two hundred thousand dollars there in
my duff a bag and unmarked bills and no funny
stuff pal. You know. I don't think I'll be like
I would like some negotiable American currency. I mean that
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that makes me think, okay, yeah, that sounds like something.
And uh okay, here's the next thing. Now, now this
one right here, this might be the real clincher. Though.
I we're already up on a break. When we come back.
I think after you hear what I'm about to tell
you, you you might agree, like, yeah, this guy, whoever he was,
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he was probably a Canadian and and if he died fine,
but if he made it across the border, he may
have been able to disappear. But there's one other big
reason that it seems like he might be a Canadian.
Then I know this is all really weird, but I'm
gonna tie this into some horror movie stories. You know
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You know, a lot of people kind of view dB
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Cooper is some kind of a cult hero because he well,
he was obviously smart, he was obviously talented, and he
he went into this situation kept as cool. Uh. He
he pulled it off, He got the money, he stuck
it to the man, and nobody died. I, however, completely
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disagree with that because I think that it's only a
miracle by the grace of God that nobody died. Uh.
Everything that he did jeopardized the lives of every single
person on that airplane, not to mention anybody underneath that airplane.
So I feel like that it was he was He's
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a terrible criminal, and I mean, yeah, he obviously had
some skills, but he should not be viewed heroically. Being
a criminal of that nature is not heroic. Um. I
understand there are times when laws have to be broken.
That's what the founders of this country did when they
were breaking the British rule. I get that. But hijacking
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an airplane and that's not that's not cool ever. Okay,
But anyway, all right, why did he get away with this?
How is this possible after fifty more than fifty years? Well, um, okay,
if he was from another country, that would help. But
listen to this. The fact that he may have been
a Canadian was reinforced by the fact that when he
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actually gave his name at the ticket counter, and they
said that back in those days, like I wasn't even
born in nineteen seventy while, okay, but if you if
you wanted a ticket, you could just walk into the
airport and you could just buy a ticket, you know,
just like you're buying a bus ticket. And he he
did not actually give the name D. B. Cooper. He
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gave the name Dan Cooper, d A. N. Dan Cooper.
At some point there was a mistranslation in media stories
and it got turned into D. B. Cooper which has stuck.
But he said his name was Dan Cooper. Well, it
turns out, and I had never heard this before, that
there was a very popular, uh I mean popular yet
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obscure in America comic book hero in Canada called Dan Cooper.
And just to get this straight here, okay, I'm reading this. Uh.
The The Cooper research team, led by Tom kay Uh,
working in cooperation with the Seattle based FBI agent Larry Carr,
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speculate the hijacker may have chosen an alias based on
the fictional character Dan Cooper. Uh. They suggest the hijacker
may have been exposed to the comics while on a
tour of duty in Europe, or that he may have
been a French Canadian origin. Some of the comics storylines
seemingly match aspects of the dB Cooper case, including jumping
(17:05):
out of a plane with a parachute, as well as
a ransom being delivered in a knapsack. Whoa um so,
yeah's looking up? Dan Cooper, fictional Canadian military flying ace
and a rocket ship pilot says it was conceived in
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nineteen fifty four, been around a while and uh he
is a test pilot in the Royal Canadian Air force
this fictional character. Okay, and um so look well, I
think one of the guys in the documentary said this
would be sort of like somebody walking in and saying
my name is Tony Hawk and then committing a robbery
(17:48):
and escaping on a skateboard, and you're like, Okay, that's
a bit much for coincidence. So I now I think that, yeah,
that I'm sort of convinced this is the most likely
uh see ri or call it a hypothesis, whatever you
this is. This is one of the most likely probabilities
that I've heard about that this guy was a Canadian
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who did this and we should start, you know, looking there.
So when when I was watching this documentary, they were interviewing,
uh they were. They showed interviews, you know, archival footage
with the Clark County Sheriff. Now Clark County is where
Las Vegas is located. It's a big, big county. But like,
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like I say, they were they were thinking for a
while that he may have actually ended up in Nevada
and he was working his way to Vegas, and who knows,
maybe he did. And you know, I'm out there now,
I own this this land near area fifty one, and
I'm exploring all these mysteries. And on my last podcast,
I was talking about, you know, going out there to
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to the desert and sitting around having a whiskey, just
like old DV. Cooper around the campfire, kind of setting
it on and talking about how weird it is out here,
how there's just mysteries upon mysteries upon mysteries start layering here.
And as we were sitting around, I said, you know what,
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I did a podcast a while back about synchronicity, and
everybody seems to like that topic. And I said, I
I remember a story that I don't think I've ever
told before. You know, they're talking about making a dB
Cooper movie. And uh so, anyway, I was talking about
like some of my experiences working on movies and TV shows.
(19:43):
I said, here is. I don't know if anybody else
is going to think this is as amazing as I do,
but let me just toss it out there and you
tell me so, like, oh, over ten years ago, I
can't remember, let's see, I think it was two foul
some ten something like that. I was, yeah, probably on
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two thousand ten, like so, like twelve thirteen years ago,
somewhere around I got contacted by Warner Brothers and they
told me that they were going to be making this
horror movie called The Apparition. And the horror movie was
about a group of college kids to get together and
try to create a ghost. And it was kind of
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based on the Philip experiment. And the idea was that
they all came together and created a talpa. But uh,
once you create a talpa, guess what, he's not a
very nice guy and so he starts trying to kill everybody, right,
all right, makes sense for a horror movie. And they
got some of the best young rising stars at that
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time to be in the movie. Uh, they got Ashley Green.
And Ashley Green was in the Twilight series. Now, if
you never watched Twilight, you might not even know who
she is though, because she's kind of an obscure actress
in my opinion. Okay, but if you watch Twilight, you
know who she is. And then it had Sebastian stand
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in it, and he went on to gain fame when
the Marvel stuff like Captain America and then had Tom
Felton in it. He was he was a little Malfoy,
the bad guy kid and Harry Potter. So I mean,
there were some you know, serious names in there. And
they hired me to be the ghost consultant because they
wanted their experiments and stuff to look realistic. And I
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had laboratory, so I put a team together and not
only did we actually sort of recreate some of the
experiments that they did in the movie, which you can
watch if you are able to find a blu ray
copy of the apparition that has um all the extras
and stuff like that. But they were so impressed, Warner
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Brothers was They said, hey, Josh, we want to send
you out here, uh to the set, okay, and and
we want to interview you on the set of the movie.
I said, that's that's fantastic, what a cool thing. So
they flew me out to l A. They put me
up in the Haunted Roosevelt Hotel there in Hollywood. They
wrote me out of the set and I got to
meet all these people. I met, you know, Ashley Green
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and all the actors and stuff and um, which that
I'm gonna get back to that in a minute, because
I don't want to get too far off track here
because there are a lot of little connections. So the
movie came out the Apparition, and um, it was. It
was a big flop. Okay, it was a big flop.
I mean, there's no two ways about it. It just
it didn't do well at the box office. And I
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did my job well, but I'm just like you know,
the nonfiction consultant guy. Uh. But for whatever reason, it didn't.
It was not a success. And most people have probably
never even heard of the Apparition. And like I said,
most people probably have never even heard of Ashley Green
or or a lot of those characters, those actors. Right,
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all right, so last year, Okay, so we're we're talking
about um again, this is like twelve thirteen years ago.
I worked on this movie. Last year. I was here
in Vegas with my wife Lauren and my good buddy
filmmaker see Eric Scott, and we were running around doing
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some bar hop in downtown and there are a lot
of really weird bars around Fremont Street, and it was
a packt night, probably like a Saturday night. And um
was some point we started talking about projects we'd worked on,
and I brought up Ashley Green out of the Blue,
and I think I said something like uh. At one point, um,
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I probably they threw away some of her like wardrobe
or something in the garbage can, and I felt like, hey,
I bet if I'd fished that out of the garbage can,
I could put that on eBay ha ha, you know,
because she's got some fans out there. Right. So anyways,
I bring up Ashley Mean, I haven't brought up Ashley
Green in years. And uh so, anyway, here we are,
we're moving from bar to bar. We went to this
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bar called the Griffin, and they have these vending machines
the likes of which I've never seen anywhere else, and
you can buy mystery boxes. There's like a five dollar
mystery box, a ten dollar mystery bocks, mystery bocks, and
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it's kind of a fun thing to do after you've
had a few drinks in Las Vegas, is to say,
what is the surprise going to be here? So I
go up to the machine. I can't remember. I think
it was like the ten dollar mystery bocks that I
bought it. Falls take it to the bar. I sit
down next to Lauren and Eric, and I say, let's
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see what's in the mystery box. When we come back,
I will tell you what was in the mystery box.
And then some other it's weird like synchronicities I've had
when I really think about it, when it comes to
run ins with people who have been in horror movies.
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I'm Joshua pee Warrent. You're listening to strange Things on
the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am
pain normal podcast network. I will be back after these
important messages. Welcome back to range things on the I
(26:02):
Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. Yeah, Pepper a normal
podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren, and this
is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Late night,
bar Las Vegas. I opened the mystery box. The first
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thing I pulled out was one of those little uh
fortune telling fish. You know, there's little it's like a
little piece of thin red plastic. The curls up in
your hand and I think it's just the I think
it's just the humidity coming off your hand that does that.
I think that's what they figured out. So anyway, but
those are cool. And then there was like some skittles
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in there, and then you know, maybe like a whistle
or so. I'm going through all this little stuff that
they've put in this box, and there is one trading
hard in there and I pull it out and guess what,
It's an Ashley Green trading card. I don't even remember
what kind of a card it was, like, I don't
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even know whether it would be a trading card with
an actress on it or something. But here is I mean,
like my not only did my jaw hit the bar,
but also Eric's and Lawrence because it was just so
random that I've just been talking about her for the
first time in ages and then I get this mystery
box and I pulled that out. Now what does that mean?
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As pee wee Herman said, I don't know, but there
was a lot of synchronicity that was surrounding that movie
for example. Okay, so when I went there to be
a part of the production where I was on the
actual set and and by the way, Ashley Green was
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so sweet and all the actors are really nice, and
I wish of nothing but great success, and I wish
that movie had done better for all for everybody involved.
But you know, they're all great people and they'll all
be rich and famous for the rest of their lives,
I'm sure. But um, when I was on the set,
this was a Warner Brothers set, so there were a
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lot of people I don't even know, you know, certainly
over a hundred people. It's kind of a funny story.
By the way. Um I was standing there one at
one point and there was um some lady I don't
know who she was, and she came up to the
assistant director and she says, she looks over and there's
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a rock in front of this house, like in the lawn.
And she said, is that a real rock or is
that a prop rock? And he goes, h, I don't know.
And she goes, well, because I don't want to touch it,
you know, if it's a prop rock, But if it's
a real rock, I'd like to get it out of
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the way. And he says, yeah, well, let me go
ask this other director, you know, and then and then
that person. So there's like this. It took them thirty
minutes to figure out whether or not this rock was
a real rock or a fake rock. And I thought
that was That's a good example of what Hollywood is like.
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This is a good example of what that what it's
like to be immersed in that world where nobody even
knows what to believe. I think a lot of people
lose all sense of control and logic in that environment.
But all right, anyway, so we were because there were
a bunch of people and we were actually on location
at this real house filming this thing. Then they had
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a shuttle that would take everybody back to um, you know,
like their parking areas. Right, So it's I mean, it's
it's been a long, long day for everybody. And I
noticed that there was this guy who had like white
hair and a white beer in the ball cap, and
he was he was the director of photography. He was
the director of photographer. This is the guy who operates
(30:07):
the camera. This is the guy who shoots the movie.
Very very important. I mean, he and the director are
in control of a lot of what happens on a
movie set. And so anyway, I end up getting on
the shuttle and there was probably just like a fifteen
minute or twenty minute ride back to the parking area,
and so I just so happened to sit down next
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to him, which I think is fantastic because you know,
I started studying filmmaking when I was a kid, and
you know, I I learned how to develop motion picture
footage and all that, and I said, hey, it's great
to be able to meet you. Uh, how did you
get into you know, the business so to speak? Right,
(30:49):
super nice guy and he tells me, says, well, you
know I was living in Texas and uh, he said this.
You know, this guy I knew came up with this
idea for this horror movie called the Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
and he asked me if I would film it, and
I was like what, yeah, Okay. I end up sitting
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next to Daniel Pearl, who is the guy who shot
the Texas Chainsaw Massacre for Toby Hooper. All right, I
can't to this day, I can't believe this. So I
it's one of those things where like, if you're into
this kind of stuff, you should have been a fly
on the wall, because I had fifteen minutes to just
pick this guy's brain about what that was like. And
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I won't get into it right now. Maybe Halloween time
I'll get back into it, but I'm telling you, like
he went on, Okay, Daniel Pearl, he he filmed others,
he filmed one of the Friday Thirteenth movies. Um, he filmed,
Uh let's see, oh yeah, he filmed. Like, well, some
of you will will not be impressed by this. He
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filmed the video for I Do Anything for Love, but
I won't do that, uh one of the aliens like
Alien Versus Predator movies. So I got to sit here,
like just talk to this guy and have an intelligent
conversation with this guy. And I was thinking about the
synchronicity that I experienced around that, and then I said
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to Lauren, I said, you know, it's kind of been
like that my whole life. And I've once in a
while I asked everybody to leave positive reviews for this
podcast if you like it. But sometimes I read a
negative review and they say, like, all this guy does
is talk about himself. Well, I mean, I guess that's
kind of true, because all I have is myself to
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give context to the things that I'm interested in. I
guess what they mean by that is I'm not interviewing
people constantly, but people who are interviewed constantly are interviewed constantly.
You can go any all over the place in fine interviews.
I'm trying to like process some of my own experiences
and and share them with you and just tell you
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what I know for a fact, because that's the only
way you do know something for effect you experienced it.
But it's so weird. It's like when I was a teenager,
I I it was eighteen, I created an Ashville historic
tour in North Carolina, and I was standing outside of
the Renaissance, which was the hotel we ran it out of,
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and I look over and here is Everett McGill, the
guy who played the werewolf in the old Silver Bullet movie,
you know, like the Stephen King's Silver Bullet movie that
had Corey Ham in it. I mean, like he and
and then that's now talk about a scary looking man
to see in person. He's a tall drink of water
(33:47):
and I'm like, I can't he was in town filming
a movie. Uh. And I started going down the list
of like run ins I've had with horror movie people,
and I guess it's not that weird because of the
work that I do. I mean, like I've been at
on TV sets and like I met Whitley Streeber on
a on a TV set, and uh, he he always
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seemed very kind of like he's real nice, but very uncomfortable,
kind of like talking about some of his experiences. I
met Chris Lutz, who was um one of the kids
who was in the Amityville horror story, like the real story.
You know, it's like his dad George Lutz. Actually that
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was a stepdad. His stepdad George Lutz and and and
his mother, Cathew Lutz. They bought the house and Chris
Lutz lived there with them while the whole Amityville thing
went on. I met him at a conference. I got
to meet Clive Barker at an event and he signed
some stuff for me. And now he made some creepy stuff.
I was. I was doing, um paranormal Papa Rozzi, and uh,
(34:51):
one day they go, hey, this guy, he's a friend
of ours. He wants to stop in and say hi,
And um, it is Carl Gottlieb who wrote Jaws. You know.
He and Peter Benchley wrote the screenplay for Jaws. And
and of course we're asking him, like, well, who wrote
(35:12):
that line We're gonna need a bigger boat? And he
laughed and he goes, we didn't races, Peter didn't write
at night and write is I think that? Um? Was it?
Roy Schneider, I guess his name is? He says, I
think he just came up with that off the cuff,
Roy Schinder anyway, Um, and then you know, I got
(35:32):
to meet Dan ackroyd On on a movie set and
Aidan quinn Um. You know he's he was in a
great movie called Haunted. I got to work with him.
When I was a kid. I went into an airport.
I was like twelve years old. I was in Maine
and I walked in and there was Dean Stockwell from
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Quantum Leap. He was in the bathroom, standing next to
me at the urinal and uh, if you ever meet
me in rive and I'll tell you an even funnier
version of that story. But you know he was I
think in the Dunwich Horror or something. And then you know,
I just I could go on and on. I've had
these interesting run ins with with horror movie people, and
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I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff. But anyway, I think that's
just kind of again. You can look at it from
my point of view and say, uh, well, that's amazing.
But on the other hand, like, wellde you know you
you run around in these show biss circles, You're gonna
meet some of these people. I met Eileen Deats from
The Exorcist. Um. But that Ashley Green moment, when that
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when that card came out of that box like that
does not what I just said does not apply to that.
You see how profound that is, how amazing that is.
There are things that happened. There are real things that
happened that give you a glimpse into reality and what's
what's what's going on behind the scenes. When we come
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back from this break, I have to read this message
to you that I received, And this is from somebody
that I know very very well, and so I'm vouching
for this and I know it's true. And he's an
older man and he so he sat down and instead
of typing it, he took out a pin and he
wrote this story for you about something that changed his life.
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And I think when you hear this, some of you
might be able to relate to this kind of thing.
I'm not really sure, but it honestly it opened his eyes.
I'm Joshua Pete Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal
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podcast network. I'll be right back. Welcome back to the
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final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the
I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am paranormal
podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And
this story was told to me, face to face, eye
t I by a man that I know very well
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and North Carolina, and I asked him to write it
down so that I could share it with you. And
it's so personal that he doesn't want to give his name.
But like I say, I vouched for this man's story
because I know him that well. He wrote and I'm
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reading his actual handwriting here. A few years back, I
was brought to my senses while outside walking down my driveway.
I was suddenly caught off guard. My neighbor, also an
old man like me, was constantly complaining and looking for
a handout, and he said he was unable to do anything.
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But yet almost every day he would walk nearly a
mile to the store to buy a pack of cigarettes
and then back home. And some days he would do
this three times a day. And this kept running through
my mind. Things weren't going too well for me either.
I was constantly working trying to make ends meet. I
(39:57):
make odds and ends for money, but things were slow.
I could barely pay the bills, and my head was
boiling with all of the stress of my own problems
and suddenly I heard an audible, clear, loud voice, and
it said, do not judge people. A few seconds later,
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it said, I have plans for you. No one was
there except me, and I was so scared that I
dropped the water hose. I was weak and trembling all over,
and I immediately went inside the basement and shut the door.
And then I started sobbing and crying like a baby.
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Who was this voice? Was it the Lord or the Devil?
I reasoned in my mind that it must be the Lord,
because the devil wouldn't say that. A few minutes later,
my wife drove up, and remembering the water hose, I
went to get it out of the driveway and I
was still bawling my eyes out, and my wife was
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scared to death and jumped out of the car, screaming,
what's the matter, what's the matter? She was terrified and
white as a ghost. And I asked her to come
to the basement, and then I shut the door and
I told her what had happened. Page two. Tears were
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in her eyes as she comforted me. That was a
really wonderful thing, she said, and she believed everything that
I told her. She is a wonderful woman and the
only one I ever told about this until recently. Since then,
I spent nearly two weeks in the hospital from a
car wreck. Last year, I had a heart attack and
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spent another two weeks in the hospital. I've been cut
from my throat to my navel, but today I'm feeling fine.
This has definitely made a believer out of me. I
no longer judge anyone. If I have any bad thoughts
about someone, I just keep my mouth shut. Many people
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have had these experiences, and I am thankful to be
one of them. Signed the Witness, and he also includes
Matthew Chapter seven, Verse one, judge not that ye be
not judged. So uh does that ring for any of you?
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He told me he had never heard an audible voice
like that in his life regarding anything. Thank you so
much for sharing that story, and I guarantee you there
there's somebody out there who needs to hear that right now.
Next email, this came from a man named Michael. I
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have all his email address and name, but I'll just
give his name Michael, because he talks about some stuff
that's a little bit personal. But he says the bad buster.
The bad Buster is amazing. What he's talking about is
if you go to my curiosity shop at Joshua P.
Warren dot com, there's a device that is occasionally in
stock called the psionic D Materializer, known as the bad Buster,
(43:23):
and he says, well, sir, that psionic D materializer is
something else. I get results every single time, no matter
what bad I think, I want to get rid of it,
somehow always works. I have learned to you, I'm I've
learned from you that I need to be open to
the universe to receive what transpires, may not and usually
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is not what I necessarily want, but what the universe
gives me. And it turns out it's always exactly what
I needed to be, whether it's money or spontaneous feelings
of joy and love. And I have felt joy at
least once a day for about a year now, and
that is very new and unexpected for me. I have
had relationships completely transformed through that powerful, magical thing. He says.
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I've broken two of them because a kid, you not.
The energy produced from a bad Buster is so intense.
I knocked it over without even touching it one time.
Says this last time, I was going to buy another
bit decided to glue it together instead to see what happens.
And I'll tell you what happened. A seventy thousand plus
dollar I R S debt is now all but gone.
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Did you hear that? Let me repeat that. He said,
A seventy thousand dollar plus I R S debt is
now all but gone and I am a happy camper.
Another interesting thing, My partner and I are devoted to
your podcast, and that we are anticipating your your show
and George Lori's Gaya show every Wednesday and Friday. He says. Uh. Anyway,
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he goes on and say, my life during the past
five years has become magical and it is due in
very large part because I take the heart and practice
the things you suggest on your show. How do you
say thank you to that? Well, thank you, Joshua, I'm sorry,
Please forgive me. I love you. I am so very
grateful to have you in my life. And he says,
(45:24):
I used the force every day because I have nerve
damage in my hands and find motor skills. And he says, uh,
every day I ask for I see gratitude and love,
and I asked the universe to help me use my hands,
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say Hello to Lauren for me and have a wonder
filled day. Isn't that nice? You see why I make
this stuff because I get messages like that from people
who say that, congratulations Michael, and just keep it up.
You keep it up, my friend, and spread the word
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and tell everybody. Okay, here's a message from a woman
named Diane, and she wants to talk about one of
my previous podcast where I let's see, I did one
called what do the Aliens Really Want? And she says, Hi, Joshua,
I'm a new listener to your podcast and I just
finished the What do the Aliens Really Want? Episode? I
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probably fall into the open minded skeptic category of believers,
though more open minded than skeptic. I trust my intuition
and clear sentience when considering and researching paranormal phenomenon and
just big life questions in general. And I want to believe,
but my ana little analytical mind keeps me grounded. She says.
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My reason for writing to you today is to thank you.
To thank you for comparing the treatment of animals by
humans to how aliens may be treating humans for their
own benefit, and specifically for including the consumption of animals
in that list. The treatment of animals is one of
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humanity's deepest flaws and one that makes me ashamed to
be a human, along with an inexhaustive list of others.
But I believe we have finally turned a bright corner
in that awareness, and bringing this point of view to
your listeners has also planted a seed in their consciousness
that we can only hope will one day take root.
(47:41):
Peace Diane, Well, thank you, Diane. I'm glad that you
see the value in that. And look, I can't help
but agree that there is something gross and barbaric about
eating animals. But I gotta confess with you. I've said
this before. If I die and God it is a chicken,
I'm in big trouble because I ate a lot of chicken.
(48:03):
Um and And something else that has also crossed my
mind is that I used to do tests all the
time on plants where I would hook them up to
different types of sensors and I would cut them or
burn them and they would respond with these huge electrical signals.
So I'm not sure that plants don't feel things just
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like animals do. I kind of believe the whole world
is a conscious place, So what are we supposed to eat.
I don't know, but I definitely think that what you're
what you're saying here is that we can do a
better job of being more responsible and kind and sympathetic
and empathetic. And I hope everybody takes that the heart.
(48:49):
Thank you, Diane, And now let's see if we can
give everybody some good fortune over the next week. Huh.
Here it is the good fortune tone. That's it for
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this edition of the show. Follow me on Twitter at
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I have a fun one lined up for you next time,
(49:41):
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Thank you for listening, thank you for your interest in support,
thank you for staying curious, and I we'll talk to
you again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on
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