December 1, 2009 • 29 mins
Why do we crave certain foods? Does everyone experience food cravings? In this episode of Stuff You Should Know, Josh and Chuck explore the delicious topic of food cravings.
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It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should Know
from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to
the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as
Charles W. Bryant. It sounded like the nursery rhyme? Did
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it was? It's a new one. How's it going, Chuck? Oh,
you know, dude, it's Friday. We're all ready to uh
trip the light fantastic this weekend? Do you know that
means dance? Right? Uh? Yeah, I don't dance. I don't
need the town brown dread while I'm a Weeen fan,
so you paint the town brown. What is the name
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of the god that Weeen worship that tells him to
get wasted? The book nish? Is that what it is? Well,
that's their little symbol, the little guy with a spiky hair. Right,
But there's like a god that they listened to that
commands them to just get wasted that Yeah, how about
this listeners? What is the name of the god that
ween answer to? Yeah? Godwin Satan was the name of
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their first album. Yeah, so so, Chuck, Yes, I could
go for a sloppy Joe right now, man, I haven't
had a sloppy Joe since I was a kid. You haven't,
you poor bastard, like the manwich kind any kind of school.
It's sloppy Joe. It's like barbecue sauce and catch up
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with some ground beef on a bun and get better
than that. Not since my mom was like cooking for
me as a kid, have I had a sloppy Joe?
I've never made one myself. Let me give you a
little little secret here, sloppy Joe, fish taco, sloppy Josh.
Is it not yet? We're not out of work yet? Um,
insert fish taco into sloppy Joe and thank me in
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the morning. Wait, put a fish taco in the sandwich
itself with the beef and everything. That's the weirdest thing
I've ever heard of. Just try and let me know
what you think. Grant key that after you have a
fish taco sloppy Joe, you will end up with the
food craving for it at some point in Yeah, that's
a great set up, thanks buddy. Food cravings. Food cravings,
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that's what we're talking about, right. Do you think that's
what I prepared for Yeah, same here. So chuck, Um,
you've had a food craving, right, If so, you're part
of the seventy percent of males in North America who
have had one in the last year. I found that
to be staggering. I thought everyone has had a food
craving like once a week. Yeah. The stet on women
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was much more. Um, I guess in in my wheelhouse, right, yea,
but what thirty percent of men don't have a craving
in a years? Who are like, I'm not answering that question.
I'm going ercent. You and I both know that everybody
knows that everybody's had a food craving in the last year. Well,
that's what I couldn't determine if it was an actual
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classifiable food craving or just like, oh, I'm hungry for
a burger. Or maybe they thought that slim gims don't count.
That's that accounts for slim gyms aren't food, they're slim jims.
That's a good one. Uh yeah, Josh se say yes,
and women all say yes. And women in North America
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and Europe particularly like the sweet stuff. Yeah, I think
chocolate is the most highly reported UM food craving women
in North America. We need to specify because it appears
that um food cravings are also culturally specific. Yeah, so
women in North America like the chocolate, but say women
in Egypt like, let's say, a meat stuffed eggplant. That's
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pretty specifically. Christen Conger wrote this and it's a great article.
But I love that she actually said that they will
crave a meat stuffed eggplant, which actually sounds kind of good.
And I'm not even hip on eggplant, but I would
eat that stuff exactly, wrapping and bacon, stuffing with meat um,
or put a fish taco on it, I'll leave it.
Even a milk steak, although I've just recently found out
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what that is. Was that right, I believe? So yeah,
we haven't gotten any corrections because one from the nineteenth
century is still around, they can correct us. So chuck um. Actually,
food cravings we talked about how they're different in North
America and in Egypt for example. There there they appear
to be universal. However, while the food craving may differ,
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or the food that has crave may differ, the food
craving is is pretty much a universal human trait because
we all have a brain. Uh, well, let's talk about
there's two different kinds. There's a stomach craving, which accounts
for hunger, and then there's a food craving, which we'll
get to in a minute. It's like all mental, right,
you have to have a brain. Yes, actually you have
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to have a brain for both. But let's talk about
like regular old hunger. Like, what is that, dude, That
is the stomach telling the brain by way of the
vegas or veggics I think vegas vegas nerve basically saying
I'm hungry, I need food to live, Sophie. Right, it's
pretty much as simple as that. It is. Uh. And
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this hormone grilling, which has made an appearance uh incorrectly
in a previous podcast. I said grilling um tells your
stomach or tells your brain that you're not hungry any longer,
actually does the opposite. Yeah, I know, I'm an idiot.
It's a it's a hormone that is actually um emitted
by fat tissue, right, and it travels up the vagus
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nerve to the hypothalamus and says, dude, I'm I'm hungry,
and it triggered. It's triggered when your blood sugar and
insulin levels start to decline, which is just awesome. I
love the human body. I think it's like about as
fascinating as it gets. Yeah, I like the brain in particular,
and I think articles like this everyone knows how much
we love the brain and studying the brain. But yeah,
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look for a an audiobook on the brain from Chuck
and I little spoiler teaser, But it always amazes me
that the brain is so complex and then the rest
of the body is almost like just a big dumb,
functioning group of organs compared to the brain compared to
the well, yeah, but I mean that's like comparing like
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it together eight Dodge Colt to like, you know, um,
a Bugatti, A Bugatti, Thank you. I don't know where
that came from. So okay, So the grilling travels up
the vagus nerve hits the hypothalamus, which the hypothalamus also
provides some other um function management like sex, drive, thirst, sleep, sleep, yeah,
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things like pretty smart, Yeah exactly. It's like it's the
party part of the brain, right. Um. So the hypothalamus says,
all right, we're hungry, and uh, we're going to release
neuropeptide y and this is just all right. It stimulates
our appetites, right, um, So what have we eat? Yes,
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we're eating the sloppy joe fish taco combo. And as
we eat, something else starts to happen because it just
can't keep on like this, or you would just keep
eating and eating and eating. So your body has to
do the reverse almost and say you can stop eating now.
And it does this by um, in a couple of ways.
The first things that happens is, uh, fat tissues expel leptin,
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and son of a gun, I am never going to
get growling. Growling is released from in the stomach. Leptin
is released in the fat tissues. How did you say?
I did? I did? I'm just a big dumb animal. Well,
so hold your emails, folks. We will get this all
right by the end of this thing. Maybe Okay, hate growing.
So Lepton gets going and tells our brain basically that hey,
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you're satisfied. You're you're not hungry anymore, you're satiated. You
do not need to keep eating. Right, But this doesn't
take place like immediately. No um. And actually, my half
oconow and girlfriend taught me that the Japanese have a
little rule of thumb called hara hatchi bo nice funny
that mean. It means basically, um stop when you feel
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about full, and it works like a charm. Actually, well,
you don't see a lot of obese Asian people too,
and they live forever to Yeah, we should follow that
that model. So u Lepton actually does this by turning
down the production of the narrow peptide y and cranking
up the production of pro opio melanocortin. I was hoping
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you take that one. That was an excellent pronunciation, buddy.
I had to literally sound it out and spell it
out very yeah, but it worked. And that is an
apptite suppressant in the bloodstream. So that basically says, uh mind,
the hypothalamus monitors the insulin blood sugar, and then everyone's happy,
we're eating, we're satisfied, we're full. Right, So there there
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you go, we're alive. Right. Yes, So that accounts for
normal hunger, right, that actually does begin in the stomach.
Crazy enough, right, that's how you have hunger, and that's
how your brain tells you that you're not hungry. But
that doesn't account for food cravings. Food cravings are pretty
much all mental or at the very least. They're all
brain centric, right, Yeah, And it's not hey, I need
to eat and stay alive, it's hey, I really really
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want that sloppy Joe with the fish taco. Well, I
don't know about that, but that's mine hunger that you're
talking about, which accounts for the craving, right. And one
of the reasons, um that it's it's I guess worth
writing an article about researching and podcasting is that it's
kind of curious. It's a little bit of a mystery
because they're not really essential for survival. Uh, there was there.
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I actually thought this for a very long time and
probably will continue to do so because I don't give
up my views very easily. Um, but I tended to
think that food cravings where the body's way of saying, um,
you need more iron, so you really really want to
steak right now? Debunked whatever, debonk care. It's a good
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way to live life, and I'm going to live it
like that. Yeah, But scientists have largely debunked that, basically
saying it's really not you're it's not you saying that, oh,
I need a particular nutrient to keep me healthy. And
one of the reasons why it was debunked was because
most food crave things are for really rich fatty foods
trying calories. And do you know why we crave those, Josh,
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Why because they are loaded with chemicals called opioids. That
is true. And this is a this is a depressing
moment for me, by the way, Like I've lived like
this for years. Uh. Opioids what they do? They bind
to your receptors in the brain and they bring you
the like feel good feelings. They do actually, um, the
the the same processes followed for um, drugs do drugs?
(10:31):
It actually follows the same um, I guess mental process
or brain pathway. Excellent, Chuck, thank you. I was flailing there,
um that that drugs do. Right, Yeah, I thought that
was interesting. So you've got you've got let's let's just
use chocolate. It's just so easy. It's a good go to.
So you you you eat a little chocolate. Let's say
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it's the first time, and uh, the opioids that are released, um,
actually form part of your memory of eating chocolate. You
have a sensory memory that is very very pleasant associated
with eating chocolate. It gets filed away by what part chuck? Uh,
is that the hippocampus. Yes, it is. Uh, it's a
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short sensory data and puts it into long term more
short term memory. UM. And when we see chocolate again,
we say, oh, yeah, chocolate, that makes me feel pretty good. Yes. Right,
So there's there's one aspect of the craving. It's psychological
based on long term memory. And it also stimulates the
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caught eight nucleus and UM. Basically that helps control the
dopamine reward system and dopa. Bean is another feel good
chemical in your body. Right, what's your favorite, like drop
dead favorite? What would be your last meal you're on
death row? Let's say not a stretch would be if
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you're really thinking about this all that I really like? Um,
the Porterhouse steak at Kevin Rathbun's, Oh very specific. Have
you had it? Dude? Awesome? Yeah? Or um there is Uh,
there's this fried chicken at Watershed. Have you had that?
I've never had their famous fried chicken. You should go
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Tuesday nights. Tuesday nights and after six if you make reservations.
They can't guarantee the chicken. I know I've been. They
can't guarantee it's good. Or no, they can't guarantee it'll
be there. We can give each some chicken, but it
might be gonna be pretty crappy. Yeah, I've heard about
that for years. It's definitely worth it. One of those
two probably would be my last meal, I think my
I don't I can't get super specific, but I think
my favorite last meal would be like a big fried
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seafood platter. Oh yeah, with like fried shrimp, fish and
clams and scallops and hush puppies and French fries and
cole saw. Oh man, we should go to Long John
Silver's after this, Long John Silver's, where the fish and
the chicken are equally good and tastes much the same. Yeah,
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so do I so chuck um. We've talked about the
reward system, right, And actually there's a study in two
thousand and four where people were jammed into the Wonder
machine and as to think about food. It's actually the
F m R I, which is the wonder Wonder Machine. No,
that's the Wonder machine mr an m r I. It's
it's worthless unless it's got that little F attached to it.
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So they jammed some people in the Wonder machine and
say think about food, and then the people started thinking
about food, and like you said, the caught a nucleus,
the insula, and the hippocampus all. So, but it's very
clear that like our reward system is triggered when we
think about food. So that's that explains part of food cravings. Uh.
And we also said that it's linked to the same
neural pathways as drugs and drug addiction, which also accounts
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for food addiction. Yeah, it's just a milder version. We
also said that um memories like the sense memory. Remember
the chocolate chocolate makes me when I eat it, so
I want to chocolate, right, Yeah, reinforces all that. That's
part of it too. But um or where did the
food cravings come from? I guess is my point? Why
if I am to make one? Josh, you know what?
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You know where the starts? Dude, I know you do.
It starts in the womb. You pronounced the bee. No,
I just did that as a joke. It actually does
happen in the womb. And they found in studies in
studies that in utero a fetus can distinguish between different
flavors that are passed to them through the amtiotic fluid
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um and that remarkable. It is remarkable, chuck um. And
although I'm not entirely certain how they figured that out. UM,
there have been studies on um post birth children UH
and their tastes for food, and a lot of it.
Apparently it comes from uh their time in the womb
and whatever their mothers eating while they're nursing. Right. Yea.
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They found that UM mothers who eight lots of garlic,
or who ate a steady diet of garlic, their babies
nursed longer. I know that crazy um possibly to try
to figure out what the heck this taste is. Yeah,
I love that because garlic is tough to miss. It
comes out everywhere, and I imagine garlicy breast milk would
throw the baby for a loop to the point where
they're like, what is this? Oh? I can tell you
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it throws you for a loop? Yea. Uh, God, garlic
is just the best in anything though, it is and
really good for you too. Have you ever had a
whole roasted garlic roasted just squeezed out onto like a
piece of bread, the whole thing, like the whole bulb. Yeah, dude,
what you I do it all the time. I cut
off like half of it and drizzle it with some
olive oil and take it in some foil. Uh. No,
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I just throw it, throw it on like a oven. Uh,
like a cookie sheet, wrap it and foil and twist
the top and just you don't even need the cookie sheet.
You just throw it in there on the rack and
it just it goes. It's awesome and great for it.
Have you ever taken garlic pills? I don't like them.
I'd rather eat like the garlic bulb. Well I would too,
but garlic pills are weird because you'll take like a
garlic pill in the morning because it's good for you,
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and like in the morning, you you feel like you're
burping up like Italian food and by afternoon's coming out
of your breasts if you're nursing, yeah, or your skin purse. Yes. Sweat, Yeah,
I'm you know, I mean with my sweat. You don't
want to be around me on a hot day after
I've had some Lasagnia Brothers. Not good. Oh, I know
it's not. I was getting hungry and now I'm revolted
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all of a sudden. Yeah, this just took a real
nose diet, didn't Yeah. Um, so chuck, you're saying we're
first exposed to taste in the womb. Um. And also
apparently we carry these on right, those memories stick around,
those sensory memories, and that's the beginnings of establishing our
food relationship basically, and it can also be established by
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the mother. Apparently, studies have shown that, um, I should say. Hey.
At least one study has shown that women who have
um more adventurous diets have children who have more adventurous diets. Um.
I think you could say, well, maybe that has to
do with the way they're raised, probably, but it it
could go either way. Yeah. You know another thing I
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thought was cool how you said it was kind of
like the same thing as a drug addict seeking drugs,
Just like that you need more and more to satisfy you.
Like so, just like a crackhead might need more crack
to get high as they progress in their drug career
or hobby. If you eat chocolate, just that little bit
of chocolate isn't gonna do it. If you keep eating,
(17:24):
You're gonna need it more and more to satisfy you. Yeah,
pretty cool, it is unless you have a chocolate addiction. Yeah,
that's true, or a crack addiction. Um so, chuck, what
do you do when you do have a chocolate addiction,
you eat chocolate, you do um personally No, No, okay,
I thought you meant me. You know what I'm saying.
You know you like anybody? Sure, you're not a chocolate addict.
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I know you're hard on yourself, but you're not. No.
I like chocolate, but it gives me the heartburn too,
So it's kind of a fine line I have to walk. Um.
Jerry thought that was funny. Laugh. Uh. So they they've
they've this is something that people have been paying attention to, luckily,
although they still haven't quite cracked the code. It turns
out the body is a little wonky when it comes
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to food cravings. Um, when you have a lot of
fat tissue, this is weird to me. You emit a
lot of leptin, which is the thing that lowers appetite, right,
suppresses appetite, But it's in fatty tissue. So the more
fat you have, the more left in you have. So
that's that should mean strangely, Uh that the fatter you are,
the less you should eat. Not true, No, it's the opposite. Yeah.
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The for some reason, as the body mass index increases,
meaning you get heavier and more fat on you. Um,
you actually eat more, which doesn't seem odd really if
you think about that, but what you know, you're putting
out more leptin. Yeah, and it nothing we found, like said,
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why this happens. It's just is it just one of
those things in the human body that we can't account for.
Do you know another cool thing, Josh? What that if
you try to diet or quit eating a certain thing,
like let's say you're a lady and you have like
a big chocolate thing. The more you if you say
I want to cut down on eating chocolate, you're gonna
crave it more. They did a study in two thousand seven.
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If you're trying not to, you're gonna crave it more. Right.
It's the imp of the perverse. Remember we've talked about
that the more you try to push a thought from
your head, the more you're gonna think about it, because
not only are you thinking about keeping it out of
your head, it inevitably floods in and you push it out.
So really, what you're doing is engaging on the cycle
of um, constantly obsessing about this one thing. Let me
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let me try something here, Josh. Whatever you do for
the next ten seconds do not think about a sloppy
joe with a fish taco on it? All Right, what's
the first thing that just popped into your head? You wanna? No? No,
what is it? Donald Duck? Really? Is that your go to? No?
That's an odd go to. No, it's not my go to.
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I read an article on it and somebody said, whatever
you do. Um, you know, for the next sentence, don't
think about Donald Duck. That was kind of my introduction
to the imp of the perverse. So that's why I
thought of Donald Duck. I'll tell you what I didn't
think of, and I think ten seconds is past. I
didn't think of a sloppy joe with the fish taco. No,
I don't believe you. I think you thought of Donald
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Duck eating a sloppy joe without a pint, right, Like
I never wears pants. Yeah, it didn't even wear a
diaper or something or was that? Did you know? And no,
he just that was just his duck bottom. Um he
who was banned in Finland. I think because they didn't
wear pants or they had to put pants on the
one they two. That's good stuff, Josh. I think people
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are learning a lot here. I think we have gotten
really far off topic, I think, so, so should we
reel it in here? Yeah? Um, if you have a
food addiction and you have food cravings, people who didn't
deny themselves every food craving managed to lose the most weights. Yeah,
they said. The trick is to get into it occasionally
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to reward yourself, but to just keep that all in check, right,
and how it works. And you're big on the calorie restriction,
So what do you think about that? Um? I've found
that just not eating I don't eat breakfast or lunch,
to just eat dinner. Um. And I found that after
probably a week or two of really just doing it hardcore,
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you just don't even think about it any longer if
I stop and think about it, Like right now, I'm
hungry because I stopped and thought about it, but I
don't think about it. I think you know what I'm
hungry for, chucky sloppy chat with a fish taco. That's right. Uh?
Should we talk about weird food cravings? Yeah, like ladies
when they're pregnant. Yes, which I was interested to read
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about this actually because I've always wondered, like, what gets
somebody who say never like cheese before to suddenly like
cheese once she becomes pregnant or something. Right. Um, well,
it has a lot to do with the hormone that
are going berzerko when you get pregnant, right, especially estrogen. Yeah,
and it also has to do with their sense of
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taste and smell really become honed when they're pregnant, So
something like um, maybe really pungent like coffee and cigarettes
is even more of a turn off than usual, which
is probably a good thing if you're pregnant, right, don't
you think. Yeah, I think coffee and cigarettes is probably
bad for pregnant person. Pregnant woman, and the cravings focus
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on like really sweet and really salty, really spicy. It's
kind of the extreme, it seems like, right, so chuck. Um, Yes,
pregnant women have strange food cravings pickles and ice cream whatever. Yeah,
it is, and science has hasn't really figured out exactly why.
But yes, it probably does have to do with the
hormonal search. Um there is. I used to work in
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a gas station up in Athens, and people yes too,
which one. Well, I worked at the Golden Pantry, so
I didn't like pump gas, but I worked in that
little food mark. I didn't punk same here. I worked
at the Magnolia station on Atlanta. It's pretty funny. Yeah,
both gas guys who knew um and uh, we sell
white dirt and people came in and bought it by
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the bag full. I don't know what that means. It's
white clay and they would eat it really, yes, is
that what you sold it for to consume? Yes, I
don't even know what you're talking about. It's really weird.
People chew it and eat it and ingest it and um,
actually it was a real big hit among pregnant women too. Well,
I do know what you're talking about. What it's called pica, Yes,
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and specifically in this case, eating dirt of any kind
is called geophagia, right, And there's also one called patophagia,
which is eating ice, yeah, which I've heard of it before. Um.
Apparently people who have iron deficiencies in amia um eat
ice a lot. But you're not getting any iron for
the ice or from the ice, but they think that possibly, Um,
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there's apparently, um discomfort in the tongue when you have
an iron deficiency, and the ice alleviates that, which is
why they crave. That makes sense, isn't that weird. Yeah, well, Pike,
just specifically, I guess we should say, is craving a
or ingesting a non food item, or guess just the craving,
and then if you act on it, then you're you're
carrying out the craving, right. And actually, if you have
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a weird food craving, you should actually probably see a
physician because it could mean like an iron deficiency or
some other problem with your your body, right, unless you're pregnant.
Don't be alarmed if you're pregnant and you want to
eat some dirt, because that's actually kind of common about
women actually feel this this way. Ice. And the other
thing that I thought was weird was this geofagea you
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were talking about is more common here in the South. Yeah,
oh yeah. You don't find too many people who eat
white clay up north? Why not? I don't think there
is white clay available up north. It's weird. Well, that's
food cravings in a nutshell, in a huge nutshell on
a man, which bun. Yeah. Thanks to Christen Conger for
writing a really good article for us to podcast on.
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So I just want to finish up by getting this
really clear. You take a sloppy Joe and you take
like just the corn tortilla fish taco. That's that's open
face and just put that on top and face it's
a taco. Man. Well, it's not a taco until you
hold it and roll it up right. You've put it
in full and rolled up, half over, doubled over, and
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then put the bunt of the sloppy Joe on top
and go to town with the meat and everything. Yes,
just that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. That's pike
a esque. Well, if you want to know more about
pike food cravings or anything your brain can come up with, you,
just type some words into the handy search bar at
how stuff work dot com and you'll be taking care
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of straight away. And since I said the handy search
bar at how stuff works dot com, that means it's
time now for a listener mail, Josh. I'm just gonna
call this, uh, Henry Hill exposed. Remember we did our
podcast recently on the Witness Protection Program. We talked about
famous gangster Henry Hill basis of the film Goodfellas and
(26:08):
My Blue Heaven. In My Blue Heaven, and we had
a guy right in that has met Henry Hill and
here's what he has to say. And I think he's
from England because of all the weird things he said.
He say, cheers at the bottom. Yeah, of course I've
met Henry Hill and ex entrepreneur and that's in quotes.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean. And myself
brought him over to England to do an after dinner
gentleman's evening type speech. I don't know what that is either. Uh.
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He was also on the local TV promoting a book.
I think he was an absolute nightmare. He decided that
the Witness Protection program was not for him, probably because
he'd been kicked out of it a half a dozen times,
and he was going to travel far and wide to
help kids from a life of crime, not noble. The
problem was when you have a world famous gangster doing
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an after dinner speech, the paying guests don't want to
hear him telling them stay out of trouble and behaved.
They want to hear him talk about Jimmy the gent
and the lift Anza heist. Naturally, his minder was his
UK agent and it was the first time they had
ever met in person. We had a v I P
dinner uh drink afterward with a special drink and a
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posh club in Liverpool, and Henry decided he kept to
keep wandering off trying to chat up the girls. Sadly,
he'd also have been a little too keen on this
imported product. He could hardly string two words together, so
it sounds like he got bombed and was hitten on checks.
That's the American translation teen keen. Uh. Still for someone
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who's killed as many people as he has, he was
a nice bloke and despite this sounding wrong, an example
of the maxim that you should never meet your heroes.
Not that he was my hero, but I couldn't think
of another way to put it. Uh. Lastly, he had
to take him to dinner in a cab and we
did a quick tour of the Yellow Submarine, the Cavern
Club and other famous Beetles landmarks, and he said that
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he would like to sing on stage at the Cavern Club.
And when I chuckled, thinking he was joking, guess what
he did the you think I'm funny gag. He did
that to him and he said it was the scariest
thing you'd ever seen. Cheers, chaps, Jazz. Just in case
we weren't sure he was from England. Cheers Chaps, Chaps
from Jazz cheers to you, Jazz, thank you for that story.
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That's pretty awesome. Actually, it kind of went back and forth,
like I would have not liked to have hung out
with Henry Hill. I would love to have hung out
with Henry Hill. That happened like five times. Sure, I
feel like I'm about to vomit. Okay, Well, if you
have a cool story about Henry Hill or any other
former gangster celebrity unicorn you name it, send it in
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the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as
Charles W. Bryant. It sounded like the nursery rhyme? Did
(00:23):
it was? It's a new one. How's it going, Chuck? Oh,
you know, dude, it's Friday. We're all ready to uh
trip the light fantastic this weekend? Do you know that
means dance? Right? Uh? Yeah, I don't dance. I don't
need the town brown dread while I'm a Weeen fan,
so you paint the town brown. What is the name
(00:43):
of the god that Weeen worship that tells him to
get wasted? The book nish? Is that what it is? Well,
that's their little symbol, the little guy with a spiky hair. Right,
But there's like a god that they listened to that
commands them to just get wasted that Yeah, how about
this listeners? What is the name of the god that
ween answer to? Yeah? Godwin Satan was the name of
(01:05):
their first album. Yeah, so so, Chuck, Yes, I could
go for a sloppy Joe right now, man, I haven't
had a sloppy Joe since I was a kid. You haven't,
you poor bastard, like the manwich kind any kind of school.
It's sloppy Joe. It's like barbecue sauce and catch up
(01:25):
with some ground beef on a bun and get better
than that. Not since my mom was like cooking for
me as a kid, have I had a sloppy Joe?
I've never made one myself. Let me give you a
little little secret here, sloppy Joe, fish taco, sloppy Josh.
Is it not yet? We're not out of work yet? Um,
insert fish taco into sloppy Joe and thank me in
(01:47):
the morning. Wait, put a fish taco in the sandwich
itself with the beef and everything. That's the weirdest thing
I've ever heard of. Just try and let me know
what you think. Grant key that after you have a
fish taco sloppy Joe, you will end up with the
food craving for it at some point in Yeah, that's
a great set up, thanks buddy. Food cravings. Food cravings,
(02:11):
that's what we're talking about, right. Do you think that's
what I prepared for Yeah, same here. So chuck, Um,
you've had a food craving, right, If so, you're part
of the seventy percent of males in North America who
have had one in the last year. I found that
to be staggering. I thought everyone has had a food
craving like once a week. Yeah. The stet on women
(02:32):
was much more. Um, I guess in in my wheelhouse, right, yea,
but what thirty percent of men don't have a craving
in a years? Who are like, I'm not answering that question.
I'm going ercent. You and I both know that everybody
knows that everybody's had a food craving in the last year. Well,
that's what I couldn't determine if it was an actual
(02:52):
classifiable food craving or just like, oh, I'm hungry for
a burger. Or maybe they thought that slim gims don't count.
That's that accounts for slim gyms aren't food, they're slim jims.
That's a good one. Uh yeah, Josh se say yes,
and women all say yes. And women in North America
(03:13):
and Europe particularly like the sweet stuff. Yeah, I think
chocolate is the most highly reported UM food craving women
in North America. We need to specify because it appears
that um food cravings are also culturally specific. Yeah, so
women in North America like the chocolate, but say women
in Egypt like, let's say, a meat stuffed eggplant. That's
(03:38):
pretty specifically. Christen Conger wrote this and it's a great article.
But I love that she actually said that they will
crave a meat stuffed eggplant, which actually sounds kind of good.
And I'm not even hip on eggplant, but I would
eat that stuff exactly, wrapping and bacon, stuffing with meat um,
or put a fish taco on it, I'll leave it.
Even a milk steak, although I've just recently found out
(04:01):
what that is. Was that right, I believe? So yeah,
we haven't gotten any corrections because one from the nineteenth
century is still around, they can correct us. So chuck um. Actually,
food cravings we talked about how they're different in North
America and in Egypt for example. There there they appear
to be universal. However, while the food craving may differ,
(04:24):
or the food that has crave may differ, the food
craving is is pretty much a universal human trait because
we all have a brain. Uh, well, let's talk about
there's two different kinds. There's a stomach craving, which accounts
for hunger, and then there's a food craving, which we'll
get to in a minute. It's like all mental, right,
you have to have a brain. Yes, actually you have
(04:47):
to have a brain for both. But let's talk about
like regular old hunger. Like, what is that, dude, That
is the stomach telling the brain by way of the
vegas or veggics I think vegas vegas nerve basically saying
I'm hungry, I need food to live, Sophie. Right, it's
pretty much as simple as that. It is. Uh. And
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this hormone grilling, which has made an appearance uh incorrectly
in a previous podcast. I said grilling um tells your
stomach or tells your brain that you're not hungry any longer,
actually does the opposite. Yeah, I know, I'm an idiot.
It's a it's a hormone that is actually um emitted
by fat tissue, right, and it travels up the vagus
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nerve to the hypothalamus and says, dude, I'm I'm hungry,
and it triggered. It's triggered when your blood sugar and
insulin levels start to decline, which is just awesome. I
love the human body. I think it's like about as
fascinating as it gets. Yeah, I like the brain in particular,
and I think articles like this everyone knows how much
we love the brain and studying the brain. But yeah,
(05:50):
look for a an audiobook on the brain from Chuck
and I little spoiler teaser, But it always amazes me
that the brain is so complex and then the rest
of the body is almost like just a big dumb,
functioning group of organs compared to the brain compared to
the well, yeah, but I mean that's like comparing like
(06:11):
it together eight Dodge Colt to like, you know, um,
a Bugatti, A Bugatti, Thank you. I don't know where
that came from. So okay, So the grilling travels up
the vagus nerve hits the hypothalamus, which the hypothalamus also
provides some other um function management like sex, drive, thirst, sleep, sleep, yeah,
(06:33):
things like pretty smart, Yeah exactly. It's like it's the
party part of the brain, right. Um. So the hypothalamus says,
all right, we're hungry, and uh, we're going to release
neuropeptide y and this is just all right. It stimulates
our appetites, right, um, So what have we eat? Yes,
(06:54):
we're eating the sloppy joe fish taco combo. And as
we eat, something else starts to happen because it just
can't keep on like this, or you would just keep
eating and eating and eating. So your body has to
do the reverse almost and say you can stop eating now.
And it does this by um, in a couple of ways.
The first things that happens is, uh, fat tissues expel leptin,
(07:16):
and son of a gun, I am never going to
get growling. Growling is released from in the stomach. Leptin
is released in the fat tissues. How did you say?
I did? I did? I'm just a big dumb animal. Well,
so hold your emails, folks. We will get this all
right by the end of this thing. Maybe Okay, hate growing.
So Lepton gets going and tells our brain basically that hey,
(07:37):
you're satisfied. You're you're not hungry anymore, you're satiated. You
do not need to keep eating. Right, But this doesn't
take place like immediately. No um. And actually, my half
oconow and girlfriend taught me that the Japanese have a
little rule of thumb called hara hatchi bo nice funny
that mean. It means basically, um stop when you feel
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about full, and it works like a charm. Actually, well,
you don't see a lot of obese Asian people too,
and they live forever to Yeah, we should follow that
that model. So u Lepton actually does this by turning
down the production of the narrow peptide y and cranking
up the production of pro opio melanocortin. I was hoping
(08:18):
you take that one. That was an excellent pronunciation, buddy.
I had to literally sound it out and spell it
out very yeah, but it worked. And that is an
apptite suppressant in the bloodstream. So that basically says, uh mind,
the hypothalamus monitors the insulin blood sugar, and then everyone's happy,
we're eating, we're satisfied, we're full. Right, So there there
(08:39):
you go, we're alive. Right. Yes, So that accounts for
normal hunger, right, that actually does begin in the stomach.
Crazy enough, right, that's how you have hunger, and that's
how your brain tells you that you're not hungry. But
that doesn't account for food cravings. Food cravings are pretty
much all mental or at the very least. They're all
brain centric, right, Yeah, And it's not hey, I need
to eat and stay alive, it's hey, I really really
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want that sloppy Joe with the fish taco. Well, I
don't know about that, but that's mine hunger that you're
talking about, which accounts for the craving, right. And one
of the reasons, um that it's it's I guess worth
writing an article about researching and podcasting is that it's
kind of curious. It's a little bit of a mystery
because they're not really essential for survival. Uh, there was there.
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I actually thought this for a very long time and
probably will continue to do so because I don't give
up my views very easily. Um, but I tended to
think that food cravings where the body's way of saying, um,
you need more iron, so you really really want to
steak right now? Debunked whatever, debonk care. It's a good
(09:45):
way to live life, and I'm going to live it
like that. Yeah, But scientists have largely debunked that, basically
saying it's really not you're it's not you saying that, oh,
I need a particular nutrient to keep me healthy. And
one of the reasons why it was debunked was because
most food crave things are for really rich fatty foods
trying calories. And do you know why we crave those, Josh,
(10:06):
Why because they are loaded with chemicals called opioids. That
is true. And this is a this is a depressing
moment for me, by the way, Like I've lived like
this for years. Uh. Opioids what they do? They bind
to your receptors in the brain and they bring you
the like feel good feelings. They do actually, um, the
the the same processes followed for um, drugs do drugs?
(10:31):
It actually follows the same um, I guess mental process
or brain pathway. Excellent, Chuck, thank you. I was flailing there,
um that that drugs do. Right, Yeah, I thought that
was interesting. So you've got you've got let's let's just
use chocolate. It's just so easy. It's a good go to.
So you you you eat a little chocolate. Let's say
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it's the first time, and uh, the opioids that are released, um,
actually form part of your memory of eating chocolate. You
have a sensory memory that is very very pleasant associated
with eating chocolate. It gets filed away by what part chuck? Uh,
is that the hippocampus. Yes, it is. Uh, it's a
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short sensory data and puts it into long term more
short term memory. UM. And when we see chocolate again,
we say, oh, yeah, chocolate, that makes me feel pretty good. Yes. Right,
So there's there's one aspect of the craving. It's psychological
based on long term memory. And it also stimulates the
(11:36):
caught eight nucleus and UM. Basically that helps control the
dopamine reward system and dopa. Bean is another feel good
chemical in your body. Right, what's your favorite, like drop
dead favorite? What would be your last meal you're on
death row? Let's say not a stretch would be if
(11:58):
you're really thinking about this all that I really like? Um,
the Porterhouse steak at Kevin Rathbun's, Oh very specific. Have
you had it? Dude? Awesome? Yeah? Or um there is Uh,
there's this fried chicken at Watershed. Have you had that?
I've never had their famous fried chicken. You should go
(12:19):
Tuesday nights. Tuesday nights and after six if you make reservations.
They can't guarantee the chicken. I know I've been. They
can't guarantee it's good. Or no, they can't guarantee it'll
be there. We can give each some chicken, but it
might be gonna be pretty crappy. Yeah, I've heard about
that for years. It's definitely worth it. One of those
two probably would be my last meal, I think my
I don't I can't get super specific, but I think
my favorite last meal would be like a big fried
(12:43):
seafood platter. Oh yeah, with like fried shrimp, fish and
clams and scallops and hush puppies and French fries and
cole saw. Oh man, we should go to Long John
Silver's after this, Long John Silver's, where the fish and
the chicken are equally good and tastes much the same. Yeah,
(13:05):
so do I so chuck um. We've talked about the
reward system, right, And actually there's a study in two
thousand and four where people were jammed into the Wonder
machine and as to think about food. It's actually the
F m R I, which is the wonder Wonder Machine. No,
that's the Wonder machine mr an m r I. It's
it's worthless unless it's got that little F attached to it.
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So they jammed some people in the Wonder machine and
say think about food, and then the people started thinking
about food, and like you said, the caught a nucleus,
the insula, and the hippocampus all. So, but it's very
clear that like our reward system is triggered when we
think about food. So that's that explains part of food cravings. Uh.
And we also said that it's linked to the same
neural pathways as drugs and drug addiction, which also accounts
(13:50):
for food addiction. Yeah, it's just a milder version. We
also said that um memories like the sense memory. Remember
the chocolate chocolate makes me when I eat it, so
I want to chocolate, right, Yeah, reinforces all that. That's
part of it too. But um or where did the
food cravings come from? I guess is my point? Why
if I am to make one? Josh, you know what?
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You know where the starts? Dude, I know you do.
It starts in the womb. You pronounced the bee. No,
I just did that as a joke. It actually does
happen in the womb. And they found in studies in
studies that in utero a fetus can distinguish between different
flavors that are passed to them through the amtiotic fluid
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um and that remarkable. It is remarkable, chuck um. And
although I'm not entirely certain how they figured that out. UM,
there have been studies on um post birth children UH
and their tastes for food, and a lot of it.
Apparently it comes from uh their time in the womb
and whatever their mothers eating while they're nursing. Right. Yea.
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They found that UM mothers who eight lots of garlic,
or who ate a steady diet of garlic, their babies
nursed longer. I know that crazy um possibly to try
to figure out what the heck this taste is. Yeah,
I love that because garlic is tough to miss. It
comes out everywhere, and I imagine garlicy breast milk would
throw the baby for a loop to the point where
they're like, what is this? Oh? I can tell you
(15:19):
it throws you for a loop? Yea. Uh, God, garlic
is just the best in anything though, it is and
really good for you too. Have you ever had a
whole roasted garlic roasted just squeezed out onto like a
piece of bread, the whole thing, like the whole bulb. Yeah, dude,
what you I do it all the time. I cut
off like half of it and drizzle it with some
olive oil and take it in some foil. Uh. No,
(15:40):
I just throw it, throw it on like a oven. Uh,
like a cookie sheet, wrap it and foil and twist
the top and just you don't even need the cookie sheet.
You just throw it in there on the rack and
it just it goes. It's awesome and great for it.
Have you ever taken garlic pills? I don't like them.
I'd rather eat like the garlic bulb. Well I would too,
but garlic pills are weird because you'll take like a
garlic pill in the morning because it's good for you,
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and like in the morning, you you feel like you're
burping up like Italian food and by afternoon's coming out
of your breasts if you're nursing, yeah, or your skin purse. Yes. Sweat, Yeah,
I'm you know, I mean with my sweat. You don't
want to be around me on a hot day after
I've had some Lasagnia Brothers. Not good. Oh, I know
it's not. I was getting hungry and now I'm revolted
(16:21):
all of a sudden. Yeah, this just took a real
nose diet, didn't Yeah. Um, so chuck, you're saying we're
first exposed to taste in the womb. Um. And also
apparently we carry these on right, those memories stick around,
those sensory memories, and that's the beginnings of establishing our
food relationship basically, and it can also be established by
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the mother. Apparently, studies have shown that, um, I should say. Hey.
At least one study has shown that women who have
um more adventurous diets have children who have more adventurous diets. Um.
I think you could say, well, maybe that has to
do with the way they're raised, probably, but it it
could go either way. Yeah. You know another thing I
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thought was cool how you said it was kind of
like the same thing as a drug addict seeking drugs,
Just like that you need more and more to satisfy you.
Like so, just like a crackhead might need more crack
to get high as they progress in their drug career
or hobby. If you eat chocolate, just that little bit
of chocolate isn't gonna do it. If you keep eating,
(17:24):
You're gonna need it more and more to satisfy you. Yeah,
pretty cool, it is unless you have a chocolate addiction. Yeah,
that's true, or a crack addiction. Um so, chuck, what
do you do when you do have a chocolate addiction,
you eat chocolate, you do um personally No, No, okay,
I thought you meant me. You know what I'm saying.
You know you like anybody? Sure, you're not a chocolate addict.
(17:46):
I know you're hard on yourself, but you're not. No.
I like chocolate, but it gives me the heartburn too,
So it's kind of a fine line I have to walk. Um.
Jerry thought that was funny. Laugh. Uh. So they they've
they've this is something that people have been paying attention to, luckily,
although they still haven't quite cracked the code. It turns
out the body is a little wonky when it comes
(18:07):
to food cravings. Um, when you have a lot of
fat tissue, this is weird to me. You emit a
lot of leptin, which is the thing that lowers appetite, right,
suppresses appetite, But it's in fatty tissue. So the more
fat you have, the more left in you have. So
that's that should mean strangely, Uh that the fatter you are,
the less you should eat. Not true, No, it's the opposite. Yeah.
(18:30):
The for some reason, as the body mass index increases,
meaning you get heavier and more fat on you. Um,
you actually eat more, which doesn't seem odd really if
you think about that, but what you know, you're putting
out more leptin. Yeah, and it nothing we found, like said,
(18:52):
why this happens. It's just is it just one of
those things in the human body that we can't account for.
Do you know another cool thing, Josh? What that if
you try to diet or quit eating a certain thing,
like let's say you're a lady and you have like
a big chocolate thing. The more you if you say
I want to cut down on eating chocolate, you're gonna
crave it more. They did a study in two thousand seven.
(19:15):
If you're trying not to, you're gonna crave it more. Right.
It's the imp of the perverse. Remember we've talked about
that the more you try to push a thought from
your head, the more you're gonna think about it, because
not only are you thinking about keeping it out of
your head, it inevitably floods in and you push it out.
So really, what you're doing is engaging on the cycle
of um, constantly obsessing about this one thing. Let me
(19:38):
let me try something here, Josh. Whatever you do for
the next ten seconds do not think about a sloppy
joe with a fish taco on it? All Right, what's
the first thing that just popped into your head? You wanna? No? No,
what is it? Donald Duck? Really? Is that your go to? No?
That's an odd go to. No, it's not my go to.
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I read an article on it and somebody said, whatever
you do. Um, you know, for the next sentence, don't
think about Donald Duck. That was kind of my introduction
to the imp of the perverse. So that's why I
thought of Donald Duck. I'll tell you what I didn't
think of, and I think ten seconds is past. I
didn't think of a sloppy joe with the fish taco. No,
I don't believe you. I think you thought of Donald
(20:21):
Duck eating a sloppy joe without a pint, right, Like
I never wears pants. Yeah, it didn't even wear a
diaper or something or was that? Did you know? And no,
he just that was just his duck bottom. Um he
who was banned in Finland. I think because they didn't
wear pants or they had to put pants on the
one they two. That's good stuff, Josh. I think people
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are learning a lot here. I think we have gotten
really far off topic, I think, so, so should we
reel it in here? Yeah? Um, if you have a
food addiction and you have food cravings, people who didn't
deny themselves every food craving managed to lose the most weights. Yeah,
they said. The trick is to get into it occasionally
(21:04):
to reward yourself, but to just keep that all in check, right,
and how it works. And you're big on the calorie restriction,
So what do you think about that? Um? I've found
that just not eating I don't eat breakfast or lunch,
to just eat dinner. Um. And I found that after
probably a week or two of really just doing it hardcore,
(21:25):
you just don't even think about it any longer if
I stop and think about it, Like right now, I'm
hungry because I stopped and thought about it, but I
don't think about it. I think you know what I'm
hungry for, chucky sloppy chat with a fish taco. That's right. Uh?
Should we talk about weird food cravings? Yeah, like ladies
when they're pregnant. Yes, which I was interested to read
(21:47):
about this actually because I've always wondered, like, what gets
somebody who say never like cheese before to suddenly like
cheese once she becomes pregnant or something. Right. Um, well,
it has a lot to do with the hormone that
are going berzerko when you get pregnant, right, especially estrogen. Yeah,
and it also has to do with their sense of
(22:08):
taste and smell really become honed when they're pregnant, So
something like um, maybe really pungent like coffee and cigarettes
is even more of a turn off than usual, which
is probably a good thing if you're pregnant, right, don't
you think. Yeah, I think coffee and cigarettes is probably
bad for pregnant person. Pregnant woman, and the cravings focus
(22:29):
on like really sweet and really salty, really spicy. It's
kind of the extreme, it seems like, right, so chuck. Um, Yes,
pregnant women have strange food cravings pickles and ice cream whatever. Yeah,
it is, and science has hasn't really figured out exactly why.
But yes, it probably does have to do with the
hormonal search. Um there is. I used to work in
(22:51):
a gas station up in Athens, and people yes too,
which one. Well, I worked at the Golden Pantry, so
I didn't like pump gas, but I worked in that
little food mark. I didn't punk same here. I worked
at the Magnolia station on Atlanta. It's pretty funny. Yeah,
both gas guys who knew um and uh, we sell
white dirt and people came in and bought it by
(23:14):
the bag full. I don't know what that means. It's
white clay and they would eat it really, yes, is
that what you sold it for to consume? Yes, I
don't even know what you're talking about. It's really weird.
People chew it and eat it and ingest it and um,
actually it was a real big hit among pregnant women too. Well,
I do know what you're talking about. What it's called pica, Yes,
(23:38):
and specifically in this case, eating dirt of any kind
is called geophagia, right, And there's also one called patophagia,
which is eating ice, yeah, which I've heard of it before. Um.
Apparently people who have iron deficiencies in amia um eat
ice a lot. But you're not getting any iron for
the ice or from the ice, but they think that possibly, Um,
(23:58):
there's apparently, um discomfort in the tongue when you have
an iron deficiency, and the ice alleviates that, which is
why they crave. That makes sense, isn't that weird. Yeah, well, Pike,
just specifically, I guess we should say, is craving a
or ingesting a non food item, or guess just the craving,
and then if you act on it, then you're you're
carrying out the craving, right. And actually, if you have
(24:19):
a weird food craving, you should actually probably see a
physician because it could mean like an iron deficiency or
some other problem with your your body, right, unless you're pregnant.
Don't be alarmed if you're pregnant and you want to
eat some dirt, because that's actually kind of common about
women actually feel this this way. Ice. And the other
thing that I thought was weird was this geofagea you
(24:40):
were talking about is more common here in the South. Yeah,
oh yeah. You don't find too many people who eat
white clay up north? Why not? I don't think there
is white clay available up north. It's weird. Well, that's
food cravings in a nutshell, in a huge nutshell on
a man, which bun. Yeah. Thanks to Christen Conger for
writing a really good article for us to podcast on.
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So I just want to finish up by getting this
really clear. You take a sloppy Joe and you take
like just the corn tortilla fish taco. That's that's open
face and just put that on top and face it's
a taco. Man. Well, it's not a taco until you
hold it and roll it up right. You've put it
in full and rolled up, half over, doubled over, and
(25:23):
then put the bunt of the sloppy Joe on top
and go to town with the meat and everything. Yes,
just that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. That's pike
a esque. Well, if you want to know more about
pike food cravings or anything your brain can come up with, you,
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of straight away. And since I said the handy search
bar at how stuff works dot com, that means it's
time now for a listener mail, Josh. I'm just gonna
call this, uh, Henry Hill exposed. Remember we did our
podcast recently on the Witness Protection Program. We talked about
famous gangster Henry Hill basis of the film Goodfellas and
(26:08):
My Blue Heaven. In My Blue Heaven, and we had
a guy right in that has met Henry Hill and
here's what he has to say. And I think he's
from England because of all the weird things he said.
He say, cheers at the bottom. Yeah, of course I've
met Henry Hill and ex entrepreneur and that's in quotes.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean. And myself
brought him over to England to do an after dinner
gentleman's evening type speech. I don't know what that is either. Uh.
(26:32):
He was also on the local TV promoting a book.
I think he was an absolute nightmare. He decided that
the Witness Protection program was not for him, probably because
he'd been kicked out of it a half a dozen times,
and he was going to travel far and wide to
help kids from a life of crime, not noble. The
problem was when you have a world famous gangster doing
(26:52):
an after dinner speech, the paying guests don't want to
hear him telling them stay out of trouble and behaved.
They want to hear him talk about Jimmy the gent
and the lift Anza heist. Naturally, his minder was his
UK agent and it was the first time they had
ever met in person. We had a v I P
dinner uh drink afterward with a special drink and a
(27:14):
posh club in Liverpool, and Henry decided he kept to
keep wandering off trying to chat up the girls. Sadly,
he'd also have been a little too keen on this
imported product. He could hardly string two words together, so
it sounds like he got bombed and was hitten on checks.
That's the American translation teen keen. Uh. Still for someone
(27:34):
who's killed as many people as he has, he was
a nice bloke and despite this sounding wrong, an example
of the maxim that you should never meet your heroes.
Not that he was my hero, but I couldn't think
of another way to put it. Uh. Lastly, he had
to take him to dinner in a cab and we
did a quick tour of the Yellow Submarine, the Cavern
Club and other famous Beetles landmarks, and he said that
(27:55):
he would like to sing on stage at the Cavern Club.
And when I chuckled, thinking he was joking, guess what
he did the you think I'm funny gag. He did
that to him and he said it was the scariest
thing you'd ever seen. Cheers, chaps, Jazz. Just in case
we weren't sure he was from England. Cheers Chaps, Chaps
from Jazz cheers to you, Jazz, thank you for that story.
(28:17):
That's pretty awesome. Actually, it kind of went back and forth,
like I would have not liked to have hung out
with Henry Hill. I would love to have hung out
with Henry Hill. That happened like five times. Sure, I
feel like I'm about to vomit. Okay, Well, if you
have a cool story about Henry Hill or any other
former gangster celebrity unicorn you name it, send it in
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