November 15, 2012 • 47 mins
You know how when you do a lot of crystal methamphetamine you get meth mouth, where your teeth decay? Of course you don't! So check out this in-depth look on the most widely-abused hard drug in the world. Even tweakers will learn something new.
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to it, Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh
Clark with me as always, this Charles W. Chuck Bryant,
What up yo? That's written down? Even sisters? What up?
What up? Yo? I got my fat stacks? What is that?
(01:28):
My breaking bad tribute? This is about Matt I've always
is not what that shows about you? Do that. I
saw the first couple of episodes. I was like, Hey,
that's pretty good, and I don't have time in my
life for this right now? Yeah I didn't either. Um,
but I'm marathoning it now and I have gotten through
halfway through season four and there's how many What did
(01:49):
they just they're on real time now? Oh, they started it.
It's not over. I thought there was like a finale.
I think it's some in two parts. I think they
did the first eight and then they're taking a break,
and then the last eight of season five. Oh, that's
the end. I think that if I understand that is
the end of the series. Well, why don't you tell
everybody what happens at the end? I don't know yet.
(02:09):
Let's tell everybody what happens at the end of season's one, two,
or three. You know, they took a lot of meth
and sell a lot of meth and people get killed
spoiler alert, Yes, um and you end up talking like
Jesse Pinkman. If you watch the show, if you watch
eighteen episodes over the course of four days, you end
up saying a lot of things like fat stacks and
what up? Yo? What is a fat stack? Money? Yeah? Okay?
(02:32):
And I would call you the name for female dog
because he uses that word about eight times an episode. Really. Yeah, gosh,
the potty mouth on TV today. That's cable. Yeah, we're cable.
We don't say things like that because we're clean. Boys.
You said female song. Oh god, I feel like we're
(02:53):
on our way to baseball practice. Uh so, yeah, we
are talking meth breaking bets on the only Have you
ever seen the Salt and Sea? Yeah? Boy, that was
good man. Um Spun never saw that one, but I
know that one's about math. That was okay, um Spun
is a little tough to watch. It was one of
those that's like, we want to take you inside the
mind of a math user, like yeah, um American Pie
(03:17):
two uh, porkies, Yeah, yeah, jaws too, all about math.
All of them about meth um, which is surprising because
a lot of those aren't. But if you um wanted
to know everything there is to know about meth without
using it. You have turned to the right place because
(03:39):
this episode covers meth pretty hard. And that's my recommended
version of getting to know about math. Just did not
use it ever and just to listen to us talk
about how awful it is. But you're still gonna feel
pretty freezy by the end of this episode. You know,
because my boy Tom Sheaf Yeah, the female dog. Uh.
He he wrote a article on me. I asked him once.
(04:02):
I was like, what are some of your favorite articles,
because I was looking for once to to do episodes.
He's like meth. He's like, it was really good, and
then he launched into this discussion about the history of it,
which is pretty fascinating. Awesome. So let's talk about myth.
If you do a little bit of meth, how long
will you be high for Chuck? Uh, Well, it depends
(04:24):
what you call a little bit, but it could be
anywhere from three to six hours to twenty four hours,
or if you keep using it, you could be up
for days. Yeah, which is apparently something that people like
to do. Uh. They don't just take a hit of meth.
I've seen hit There was this front Line there's a
front Line micro site about the meth epidemic, and they
(04:46):
kept calling it a hit, and I'm like, what is
a hit? Oh yeah, they call it the little baggy
that you buy on the street. That call it something
I'm breaking back. I can't remember at stacks. Now that's
the money you make them selling it female dog. Nope,
that's everyone on the show. I don't know that. We'll
probably called it a hit. But if you, if you
(05:06):
do meth frequently, you're not going to just you know,
take a hit of meth and then be like, well
that's it for me. Yeah, I'm gonna go to work
and I'm fine, don't ever need to do this again.
You know, you'll be like, oh, half hours passed. I
think I should do maybe a little more and then
a little more and I'm up for eight days in
a row until my body blacks out and I fall
(05:27):
over and get some sleep. Can we talk street names
real quick? Sure, because that's always fun. Meth crank, speed, chalk,
ice glass, crystal, crystal, meth, tina really um tweak. I
lived in Human, Arizona, as you know, lots of math
(05:47):
users there. Um you can tell oh yeah, you tell
me that one story? Was it that? Like the washing?
The car. Yeah, You're like, I'd be going home from
you know, a saloon at two thirty in the morning
and there's people out washing their cars under the floodlights,
and you're like, no, that's not really funny. You wonder
what's going on there or their gardening or something with
(06:08):
floodlights on. Um. Anyway, Yuma's got a lot of drugs.
I mean, it's like a mile from Mexico. UM. And
they called it tweak. They called like it could be tweak,
could be the noun for the drug, like get some
tweak a tweaker or was someone who did it? Um
tom sites a state that you eventually, yeah, is tweaking. Yeah,
(06:30):
that's why I took a slight issue because in Uma
they were just called tweakers. It was called tweaking. It's
called tweak. Um do you want to tweak? It could
be a verb or we are tweaking. It's been quite
some time since I've tweaked. It's been a week since
I've tweaked. Yeah, So they used to tweak for basically
every facet. And I don't know if that was a
(06:51):
regional thing or not. Ghack, that's another one. Really, it's
an ugly word. Crank was the old days. That was
like that's when the motorcycle, yea bike or crank yeah,
or rucker crank. Yeah, all those days like we were
you know, in the Hell's Angels were taking greenies. Greenies
for this speed, like pharmaceutical speed. Yeah, that's what. Until
(07:14):
two thousand six, baseball players were very famous for taking greenies. Real. Yeah,
and a lot of athletes actually have been known to
abuse amphetamines because you know, jacksie up and you win
the race. Yeah, you know, ye, all right, that's enough
for the street names. Okay. Um, Meth happens to be
(07:35):
highly addictive, and it's highly addictive following the same route
that any stimulant addicts you with. I think that was correct. Ultimately, Um,
it stimulates your central nervous system to produce dopamine, and
your brain is flooded with dopamine. So all of a sudden,
you have um hyperactive movement because dopamine controls and regulates
(07:59):
movement of your body. Yeah, um, you feel really really
good because dopamines related to feelings of euphoria and a
sense of well being. Um, and you your emotions may
become heightened. Yeah yeah, thanks, I think so. Um. The
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problem is, as with all, um all drugs, really is
that you cannot naturally reproduce the sensation, so you do
more of the drug and then, like with all drugs,
your tolerance builds up and you need more of it
to reach that sensation that you're striving for. There you
have it. You're addicted to meth, right and um. The
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downside of that, aside from spending extra money to get
to the same place, it's about a million downsides, right, um,
is that if you ever do decide to quit meth,
your dopamine receptors have shrunk. The number of dopamine receptors
in your brain of s they don't function quite as well.
And um, you are dopamine deficient, which means that when
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you get off the meth, which is the only thing
that's really increasing your dopamine levels any longer, you're going
to encounter sensations of utter hopelessness and depression, and that
will likely feedback into a vicious cycle where you go
back onto meth so that you can not feel depressed
or hopeless any longer. So it's very very tough to
(09:27):
um quit that cycle of addiction. If you want to
know more about addiction. We did a pretty cool yeah
UM episode on addiction itself. But yeah, it's pretty standard stuff. Yeah.
And the good news is your dopamine levels will over
time UM reset to normal UM in pretty much all cases.
(09:49):
I did see that they one of these surveys are
not surveys but studies. They found that even a couple
of years after ceasing it, UM, the brain did not
cover in some areas after two years of abstinence, so
there could be some like long lasting maybe not permanent,
I don't want to say that word, but long lasting effects. Um.
(10:12):
If you get your hands on some meth and you're like,
I'm gonna do this. There are generally four ways that
people take meth. The most common is to snort it.
The second um is to smoke it, third is to
shoot it. And then some people take it orally, which
I can only imagine will cause stomach ulcers. Too sweet, Yeah,
because this is really really toxic stuff. Yes, at the
(10:35):
very least, Um, if you're smoking it, you will get
something called meth mouth. Yes, and if you are not
around your dinner right now, you can go google image
pictures of meth mouth and is tough to look at. Yeah,
if you ever want to never ever do meth, then
to look at pictures of that or google uh meth
before after, Oh the mug shots. Did you see the
(10:59):
one that? So it's a public service announcement. The sheriff
in Arizona, Oregon. It was some sheriff's deputy started noticing
people coming in um that we're on meth and realizing
that this is like their second or third or fourth
time in and he started collecting their mug shots and
(11:20):
created this basically like before and after of mug shots
of people who do meth, and like the results are
staggering because it also has the length of time in
between the pictures, so sometimes two months, sometimes two and
a half years, and people age like ten twenty years
and like a year or two just from doing a
math hardcore and meth mouth in particular is really, like
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Chuck says, extremely disgusting and hard to look at. I've
seen some pictures of some pretty horrible stuff in my lifetime,
and math mouth is really tough to look at. Your
teeth like fall out, crack and fall out. Yeah, first
they decay, then they cracked, then they fall out, and
you might have sharp, jagged little stumps with the exposed,
darkened gums. And they're not quite sure exactly what causes
(12:05):
meth mouth, but they think it's a combination of things. One,
they think it's the harsh chemicals that the drug is
made from. They think that um, the constriction of the
capillaries and the blood vessels going to your mouth makes
them wither and die, so then the tissue decays and
then um, they think that it also gives you dry mouth.
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So your saliva, so your saliva um isn't present any
longer to to keep the harsh acids that the digestive
acids that are present naturally in your mouth. The saliva
is out there to wash it away. So they just
grind down on your teeth, and then you yourself, while
you're tweaking, are grinding your teeth. So those four things
(12:49):
in conjunction basically account from meth mouth. They think, Wow,
it's nasty. Oh, it's nasty stuff. Um, your heart rate
is gonna really shoot up. You were going to be
more alert. You're gonna be breathing quicker, you'll be sweating
a lot, you're going to be very talkative about everything,
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or you're going to go into a room and sit
around and rock and think about yourself in your place
in the world. You might feel superhuman or intelligent or empowered. Um,
you are none of those, which is the ironic thing. Um.
And this one is the none of It's funny. This
one is unusual. Is the mundane tasks like you hear
(13:34):
reports of like methods who take apart their television and
put it back together the time. Um. But there's a
breaking this won't spell anything. There's a breaking bad scene
where where Jesse's trying to get some tweakers out of
out of a house into the front yard and he
goes and gets a shovel and the guys like, what
are you doing. He's like, I know, I can't remember
what he called him, I know methods and he might dogs. Yeah,
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And he went and started digging a whole the front
yard and one of him just comes out and he's like,
what are you doing. He's like, what does it look like?
I'm digging this hole? Man, I gotta find it. And
the guy just kind of wanders out looking and then
he's like, you mind taking over, And all of a sudden,
it's dude he's never met before, is out there just
digging this hole. To China, and that's like the mundane
task you can get a meth head preoccupied with and
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they will put together that puzzle for two days. Tom
points out that this is that makes us very alluring
for somebody who's say an assembly line worker who has
to do repetitive tasks for eight hours at a stretch.
Once they do met, they're suddenly like, Wow, this is
really fascinating work that I do here. And also the
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time just went by lickety split, and now I can
go do more maths. Right, yeah, let's go party, because
that's you know, that's your workhead stash that you keep
your party and stash at home. I would guess. Um.
In addition to the mush mouth um, one thing you'll
see a lot on Breaking Bad and in the photos
is these scabby lesions on your face. And I wasn't
(15:06):
sure what that was. I thought it might be somewhat
the chemicals or the burning. I think it's a little
of that too. Well, it's also just scratching, scratching your face,
scratching your face, scratching her face until I have a
hole in my cheek. But I think it starts out
with an actual blemish from the chemicals, like was it
being excreted through your skin? Um, you're probably not going
(15:27):
to ever get really fat if you are addicted to meth. Um,
you're you're appetite just like not there. Um. So yeah,
a lot of people like the I guess that effect
of it. If they feel fat but they don't really
care about their teeth, then meth probably seems like a
logical alternative. Well, and we'll get into this, but it
(15:48):
was speed is what diet bills were for many many years. Um.
And eventually, if you stay on the meth, you will
eventually freaking lose your mind basically, and you will hear
things and see things and experience psychosis and hallucinations and uh.
(16:09):
Part of that is the drug at work, and part
of that is beating your body up and being yeah, yeah,
eventually it will get the best of you. There is
no rosy outcome, yeah, if you're doing math. But what's
nuts about meth is that, like it is all of
Nancy Reagan's FIBs and distortions and outright lies about other
(16:30):
drugs brought to life, like you really do murder your
loved one with a claw hammer because you perceive them
to be the devil, like you really do, like um,
scald your your three year old niece to death with
hot water because you've been up for too many days
to know what you're doing, Like you do steal a
tank and drive it through downtown San Diego and then
(16:53):
are shot to death by the police. Like that stuff
happens on meth. No, lie, no exagger ration. Yeah that
I think I meant to look this up. It seemed
like recently I read a story about this lady that
broke into Walmart, or not broke in, but in Walmart
through the door. Yeah, I'm I'm in Walmart, um now
and started to try and cook meth in the Walmart.
(17:16):
She was so messed up, she got all the ingredients
and started the process. I might be wrong, but it's
one I remember reading that l well. I think that's
one of the problems. One of the big dangers with
meth is there's so many, so many addicts who know
how to make the drug that they're addicted to. Like you,
if you're a junkie, you can't just make your own
heroin like you have to harvest poppies, or if you
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are coke heead, you can't like where you're gonna get
your coca leaves, you know, like meth is made from
what used to be, at least until a couple of
years ago, readily available ingredients. All right, you know, it's
just sad. I looked up meth and Walmart and it's
happened more than once. It was like a woman in St. Louis,
a man in Ohio like cooking, trying to cook meth
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inside of a store. That's crazy, while it was open
or closed. I think the one lady was while was
open successful. Don't don't mind me, I'm just shopping for
tents and uh so, okay, let's talk about the history
of meth amphetamans is pretty interesting. Ah. There is a
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rumor that I had heard years and years ago that
it was the Nazis who came up with meth, and
as I grew a little older, I was like, that's
not true, and it turns out it isn't true. But
what is true is that the Nazis supplied their infantrymen,
their airmen, their sailors, everybody in the German military during
World War Two with tons of meth amphetamines. Like they
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were jacked up on meth and fighting, which is the
most psychotic idea I've ever heard. The Nazis on meth
sounds like a some sort of speed metal band or something,
you know, or like a weird musical. Yeah, it says
this one stat in one four four month period in
German military was fed more than thirty five million speed tablets.
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Thirty five million speed tablets in the four month period
fighting the war. Can you imagine? And it wasn't just
us though, I mean, I'm sorry, it wasn't just them. No,
Americans and the Brits were what was it, dexadrine, dexadrine
and benza drene. And then the Japanese had their own
kind of crank um military grade yeah, crazy, yeah, And
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so there was that was a big thing in World
War two, was supplying the boys on the line with
as much meth as they could possibly take and keeping
them up and angry, keeping them eating less so they
were consuming less food like that. Think about that, yeah, um,
and just turning them into basically like literal fighting machines.
Almost wow, I did see that. The apparently the Germans
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tested it at first and found a soldier in March
fifty five miles before an hour before collapsing basically like
without Yeah, and this the Germans had this thing called
per viting pervitin or proviting probably pervitin, and that was
their meth. And apparently towards the end of the war
they were like, Okay, the providing's working pretty good, but
let's see what we can do to really jack these
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guys up. And they the Nazi scientists cam up with
d I X and it was three milligrams of providing
mixed with five milligrams with cocaine and five milligrams of
a pain killer all combined. And apparently this thing never
got our hit the street because the Allies. The Allies
invaded and probably did it all whatever they could find,
(20:37):
and it went away. It was wiped off the face
of the earth. Cocaine, meth and pain killer in a pill. Yeah,
that's crazy. But we should go back even further. Prior
to World War two, uh, thousands of years ago in China,
in India and Pakistan, there were trees, a group of
shrubs known as a fedra. Yeah, they have a an
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active ingredient that was isolated in eighteen eighty seven by
a Japanese chemist, ephedrine. It's an amphetamine and uh, shortly
after that, um, somebody turned ephedrin into a methamphetamine by
adding a methyl group to it, and then after that
somebody turned it into crystal methamphetamine, which is meth. Yeah.
(21:26):
That's a long crystal meths has been around. Yeah, it
just seems like a newer thing. Yeah, you would think,
like maybe from the sixties or seventies. So after the war,
after World War two, um, when everybody was on speed,
people came back from the front saying, hey, we really
like the speed. Uh. It became available publicly in Germany
(21:50):
during the war. This stuff was available publicly, the pervitin. Yeah,
but the dexigen and benzagrine became available in the United
States I think during the war as well. But it
became very popular in the fifties and sixties for like
you said, a number of reasons like dieting. Well, yeah,
and before that was what's scary is is they like
the early drug days, we found out we're just crazy,
(22:13):
this crazy weird land where they were making these new
things like LST and tweak And they say in the
early days of crystal meth they it didn't even have
a purpose yet and the people were just giving it
to patients and just hey, try this out, like you
need to pick me up. Like the stuff seems to
work pretty well. Are you depressed? Like, try this stuff,
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you might not be so depressed. And uh, then it
got a little more specific and they're like, all right,
we can use it in any depressants and diet pills, right, legitimate, yes,
you know. And so ben'za Dreen and decks of Dren
came about jet Carouac wrote, um, on the road is
that true? Yes, that sounds I've always heard that like
a three day No, it was longer than three days.
(22:56):
It was three weeks. I see, that was it? Yeah,
But taped together a bunch of paper and that and
wrote it all the way down. Um, and it turned
out to be a hundred and twenty ft long. On
the road was interesting. Yeah, Carowac definitely knew his way
around a benny. Well he a bottle and whatever else. Yeah,
(23:20):
he mentioned something on the road. Yeah. They they're like
a minor character almost. Yeah. I read that and Big
Sir while I was traveling through Big Big was awesome
because it had that one moment in it where he's like,
you can't fall off a mountain. It was so awesome.
It makes such understands like, sure, you can fall down
a mountain and you're probably gonna die opinion where you fall,
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but you can't fall from the top to the bottom,
like you can't fall off a mountain. I just thought
that was so neat because it like drilled right into
my head just the way he meant it to. Right then, Yeah,
he was. He was quite the method though. Yeah he
was speeding. Yeah, speed freak, I guess. And there they
friendly have made that to a movie. Yeah, is it
(24:01):
it's coming out or did it? I think very soon?
Who's in it? Um, because I remember being excited about it,
but well, that's Whylight girls in it, which yeah, but
who was playing? Uh, I can't remember who's playing? The
two guys Cassidy yeah and Jack. Well that wasn't Jack,
(24:22):
it was right, Yeah, that's right. I don't know, but
it was Jack and Cassidy was named somebody else. There
was Moriarty, I think it was. It's been a while either.
It looks pretty good though, you're either thinking of On
the Road or the Sherlock Home series. But yeah, so so.
Carolac was part of the pretty much popular American culture
(24:45):
from housewives, two doctors to um, anybody who were hooked
on Benny's or dexadrine and UM. Eventually it became quite
obvious that America was a nation of speed freaks and
we need to do some thing about it. So the
government stepped in and they started controlling speed. Yeah. They
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One of the things they tried to do is control
what they call precursor chemicals, the things he used to
make the math and UM. I guess we'll get into
this later, but it hadn't really worked that well over
the years because it just we if one thing we've
learned is that there are certain amount of people that
want to do their drugs, there's a certain amount of
people that want to make them and sell them, and
(25:27):
those numbers don't really change that much over the years,
despite laws and any efforts by the you know, legal measures,
it's gonna happen. So, UM, well, let's talk about the
seventies real quick, because I think it fits with this,
like it's a sterling example of that was the motorcycle
gangs like the Hell's Angels. They were making what you
would call today crank amphetamines. Alright, they were using a
(25:50):
precursor chemical called phennel two propenone and P two P
was a pool chemical and they were using it to
make crank and it worked pretty well. I mean, I
guess it made decent crank um. And the government outlawed
P two P or clamped down and regulated it's uh
it's sale and production, and so the outlaw bikers said, well,
(26:12):
we'll just have to figure something else out. I guess
some of them looked into the annals of history and
realized that if fedron was out there easily available, you
could buy it from the manufacturer illegally, and they started
using that. But there's a big surprise when they successfully
made um crank using if fedron wasn't there chuck. Yeah,
(26:32):
they found out this junk is twice as strong as
the last junk, which I guess was great news if
you were a Hell's Angel cooking speed. Yeah, I'm sure.
They added a methyl group and it became meth amphedamine. Basically,
that UM nineteen nineteen recipe was lost to the ages
and accidentally discovered by Hell's Angels. That's right, and as
(26:53):
Tom points out, that would bring the trade and illegal
speed to its jittery knees. Right. Good stuff. He's got
some this This article is definitely worth reading. Yeah. Actually
that was when P two P was under control. But
you know, I had to delight everyone with his pros. Um. Well,
should we get to the brothers then, and then jump
(27:14):
back to how you make it? Uh? Jeseus and Luis
Emma Emma's kua. I think so. They are pretty much
one of the big reasons why meth is such a
big deal right now. On the nineteen eighties, they were
some small time coke runners and they said, this is
(27:35):
pretty good, makeing a little bit of dough. But um,
this meths meth thing is pretty interesting, so let me
go uh import some adrin from overseas make some money.
A short time later, MIDnet nines, they are responsible for
eight of the meth in the United States of America.
(27:56):
They took over the whole scene basically, yes, well they
created the scene almost. They basically said, we are going to, um,
just start importing pure ephedrine from manufacturers in like India,
and they did, and they were doing this for years
and years and years. And they very very wisely would
(28:18):
order it from the factory and then routed through like
Europe to Mexico or South America to Mexico or it
never went through the US, so they kept the U
S customs officials out of it. Well, the U S
still got their hands on it. One time, Uh, they
seize three point four metric tons of ephedrin and we're like, oh, okay,
(28:39):
now we know where this high grade speed came from.
Out of nowhere, um, and white people are killing their
friends with claw hammers. All of a sudden, it's because
of these guys who are importing this. And now all
of a sudden, this this UM thought to outlaw precursor
chemicals kicks back in and they started clamping down on
a fedron true and that made a bit of a
(29:02):
dent for a little while. But like we said, where
there is a will, there is a way, and Um,
despite the d e a's efforts in the American government,
you had temporary licenses granted to people selling it. Uh,
and the pseudo effordrin basically was like still readily available
because there were so many They basically said, you got
(29:23):
a register with us if you want to sell this stuff.
They were so overloaded that they couldn't even process all
these applications. But they were overloaded, like the people who
were illegally selling and producing a federan and selling them
to drug cartels. Applied for licenses and the d A
was so swampy, said, everybody just kids a temporary license.
(29:44):
So people were for a brief period legally selling a
fedron to these cartels in bulk. And imagine they were
making pretty good money doing it, which is why they
kept doing it, you know. Yeah. Um, eventually that dried
up a little bit, and um, most of the stuff
(30:04):
moved to Mexico. Um in Earnest Canada, the super Labs Canada. Um,
did you say it was at Iraq or Iran? Well,
Iran's the rising star right now. They had um In
two thousand and eight there were two meth labs busted
in Iran, and in two thousand and ten they busted
a hundred and sixty six Wait from what to what
(30:28):
to two hundred and sixty six and two years? Yeah,
Iran's like crazy for meth right now, jeez. And apparently
in Japan, a graham goes for a thousand dollars, so
I bet that's where a lot of it's going to. Really,
Pakistan's big on meth. Apparently Southeast South and East Asia
are really fond of meth right now. Yeah, boy, that's scary. Um.
(30:51):
So jumping back though, Um, they tried to control the
sale of pseudoeprogrin more and more, and then they just
realized that these meth books, like the superlabs, they're not
going into grocery stores and buying pseudo weaprogroen. I don't know,
I think some of them are, Oh I don't think
in that quantity. Well, they're buying like cold pills in bulk,
they're still using that as the precursor. Yeah, but in bulk,
(31:14):
like they're not walking into right age and buying, you know,
three hundred boxes of cold They would probably raise some
red fly exactly. But um, home cooks and people that
are into making their own math for you know themselves,
are their friends. Um break into stores sometimes or sometimes
just buy um what they call blister packs. They're the
(31:36):
little pill packages with the little single pills you gotta
pop out one at a time. Uh. But they actually
have deep blistering machines to do that for you if
you're a larger operation, which I didn't had never heard
of that. So this whole suit of federan thing, you know,
how you used to just be able to walk down
the aisles and you could buy a suit of FED
and it was right there on the shelf. Well, now
(31:56):
you have to buy it from behind the counter because
it's federal regulation. Like you can't just sell it out,
it's too easy to steal. You have to you have
to interact with the human being who can call the
d e A or the cops. You're allowed in a
lot of states, like no more than one pack. Sometimes
you have to show your driver's license. There's always regulations.
(32:16):
It's still not making much of a dent. But and
apparently the reason the big rub to meth home cooked
meth is the pharmaceutical lobby because they they're like, well,
we don't want our cold medicine and to only be
available by prescription. We're moving on this product. Yeah, but
in states where they they did, they did make sudo
(32:39):
FED and other like um cold medicines that have pseudo
federate in it h prescription only. They've seen a sharp
decrease in meth related crime. So that does work. Behind
the counter doesn't work. Prescription only apparently does work. Yeah,
but those are for home cooks. Um, what's the stat
about the superlabs if you are buying methan United States,
(33:01):
most of that is made by the super labs. Um,
like you see on Breaking Bad. So now I've heard that,
I think this might be out of date. Apparently in
two nine, Mexico finally came to American pressure and said, okay,
we're just outlawing pseudo federan imports all together. And so
(33:22):
the Mexican cartel said, okay, well, we're just gonna move
all our huge operations than into smaller operations in California.
And now California makes more meth than the next five
top producing states in the country combined. Yeah, but it's
all smaller labs. So fun gets busted. Who cares? Which
makes more sense? You know? Interesting? Yeah? Yeah, because what
was the stat he gave that what percentage was made
(33:45):
by There are only four super labs, but they were
making of the methods four percent of labs or super labs,
but they're making And apparently that was true until two
thousand nine. Alright, Um, you want to talk about making it? Yeah,
I guess we need to talk about making it. This
is sort of like the how to grow marijuana. Well,
(34:06):
there's some key you can tell there's key stuff left
out here. Yeah, I think one of But I guess
this means that Tom knows how to make method from
researching this all right, So here's how to do it, josh. Um.
What you want to do is, if you don't have
your meth or you're I'm sorry, you're efidrin or pseudo
efrogron and its powder form. You need to separate that
(34:29):
from the tablets in the cold medicine. And when you
do that by mixing it with a solvent, and the
solution is unfiltered, exposed to low temperatures, and then you
can remove the innert material and you're left with um,
your pure pseudo efrogron or efigrin step one, step two.
Do you want me to handle this? You're gonna make
(34:51):
me culpable. No no, Um. You you want to take
your your pseudo effrogen um, whether you've removed your dirt
materials or you have the your stuff. Um. You want
to mix it with red phosphorus and hydriotic acid, which
I don't know what that is, but red phosphorus is
like match sticks. You can get that from like the
tip of a match contains red phosphorus. That's why if
(35:13):
you see people buying lots of book matches. Then they
might be tweaking or making specially their teeth are correct cooking. Yes,
Then you filter out that stuff, the red phosphorus. You're
gonna reuse it later. UM. And then you neutralize the
remaining acid by adding a lie solution and you add
it just says a substance which I like. This is
(35:35):
where he gets a little vague. Um is added to
bind the meth um and then you the liquid meth
is drained out at that point and you're left with
the crystalline. Is that is that the point? Now you
have to you have to bubble hydrogen chloride gas, which
is through the toxic through the liquid math, and that
(35:56):
turns it into a crystal hydrochloride salt. Right, you're gonna
filter that UM. What is left is then dried out
and then UM and breaking bad. At least it's on
these sheets like cookie sheets, and they break the ice
as they call it, and UM or step step on it,
which means you add other nasty inert filler to basically
(36:19):
cut the drug and make it go go further. Two
unwitting purchasers and snorters, and you weigh it, package it,
chip it out so in Japan for a thousand dollars
of Graham. That's right. Um, it sounds very easy, and
apparently it kind of is if people walk into Walmart
and try to do it themselves. UM, the problem is
(36:41):
it's extremely dangerous, especially if you're separating um I federan
or suit of federan from like an inert material in
a cold medicine. You're adding an extra step. You're also
adding a solvent, which is that they tend to be explosive,
so you have an explosion danger. Um. You're also inhaling
some really toxic toxic chemicals. UM, up to you. I
(37:04):
think thirty two different chemicals used in making meth, and
the byproduct itself produces six times of the actual product
that you're looking for. So if you produce one pound
of meth amphidamine, you've produced six pounds of toxic materials
as a result. Do you want me to go over
(37:24):
some of these chemicals? This is what you're snorting or
smoking if you're doing math. Um, potentially gasoline ether paint,
dinner free on chloroform, camp stove fuel, uh EPs, and
salt red devil Lie drain cleaner, battery acid. Yeah, that's
pretty bad. That's fun to snort. Myriadic acid, lithium from battery,
(37:48):
sodium metal, um epidrin, iodine. Uh did I say paint there?
It's worth saying again. Yeah, So those are some of
the chemicals that and you know, breaking bad. They don't
use any of this stuff. That's kind of one of
the things is the guy's a chemistry he's very proud
of his drugs. And they don't even use cold pills.
They make they start from the beginning in a chemistry sense,
(38:11):
to make their own. Yeah. And um, it's all very
pure and you know, it's not full of all this gunk.
And it's blue, which is interesting because that is not
that it is a signal that it is impure. It's
a hallmark of the show, this blue meth. But um,
these days there are enterprising meth cooks that are dying
(38:32):
their meth blue. And the article I read said they're
not quite they call it smurf dope. And uh, he said,
it's not clear why they're doing this. It could be
just to standout to market their product, or it could
be to throw off test like um on site UM
test to see if it's man. They'll drop it in
it turns blue, said, and some think it might be
influenced by breaking bad. I wonder, Yeah, I bet you. Yeah,
(38:55):
I'm sure it is. Um. However you make it, whether
it's blue, ye're adding you are creating a toxic site.
Very like we talked about in UM what what what
episode was it? I can't remember about. It was basically like, oh,
crime scene remediation or crime scene something. Yeah. Um. And
(39:17):
one of the things, one of the big I guess
um jobs in the industry is cleaning up meth labs. Uh.
Once you do this, you have pretty much rendered a
house useless. Like Tom points out that sometimes when the
cops sees a meth lab and it's a house, they
just won't even they'll disabandon it because they can't resell it. Yeah.
(39:38):
I mean it gets in the curtains and the carpet
and the tiles in the wood. Um. And that's if
the house doesn't explode all together. The house, the camp site,
the camper, the car, the trunk of the car to
the back of the van, the motel room, the Walmart
had the aisle I'll seven at Walmart. Uh. Yeah, it's
(40:01):
pretty scary stuff. And you know, I'm breaking bad their
scientists and chemist and they're wearing all the equipment and
they have or they're wearing all the gear and they
have all the nice equipment. But that's not like these
these homegrown cooks are not super smart because they're doing
this to begin with, and then they might be severely
(40:21):
tweaking up for days, not thinking straight. And that's why
they will have explosions and try and eat dirt as
they're dying because the taste in their mouth is so bitter,
and uh, someone's left to clean up the mess. And
that's what makes it the number one abused hard drug
in the world, more than cocaine and heroin combine. Yea,
I saw that, and that's meth. I got a couple
(40:45):
of scary stats. I guess we can finish off with
some some depressing news. Um uh, I'll just summarize here.
The overall picture is that are that there are less
new users, which is good, but the stable level of
myth and fhetamine abuse is kept. It's basically there's still
(41:07):
just as much meth, just fewer new users. The people
that are using it are really using it more and
more like they're really into it. So if it's not
going anywhere, and you know the d e A has
it's sort of dipped in years, but risen back. It's
just one of those things. It's like any drug, like
cocaine has been in and out of fashion for a
hundred and fifty years. It'll it'll dip down and they'll
(41:30):
tout some numbers, but then I'll shoot right back up
in another country. Maybe, Um, one of eighth graders, one
point six of tenth graders, and one percent of high
school seniors the lifetime have abused at least once in
the prior year to the survey, which those are pretty
low numbers, but I was hoping it would be like
(41:51):
point oh one or something like that. Well America, I mean,
if there's like twenty three million users worldwide, America's got
about two million of them. I'm mean that's pretty significant.
I thought it'd be more than that. I would think
so too. That's what I heard. Don't do it. Don't
do math. It's just a bad idea. I think that's
(42:12):
a great win and get high on life. Go for
a natural Hi hi hi b in yours. So that's nice, Chuck, Um.
If you want to learn more about meth and all
of the myriad reason why you should not do it.
You can type in meth in the search bartow stuff
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We've done M D M A L s now we have? Yeah,
we did, we did. Uh. We talked about M D
M A and them, but not a dedicated show. It
was pretty much a dedicated show on M D M A. Yeah.
We talked about LSD A bunch of times, how to
grow pot Uh. Yeah, a bunch of stuff. I've that
(42:54):
a few more in the Kittie Yeah, we gotta hit crack,
we gotta hit creck, and we gotta hit to Oh man,
I didn't get to use my favorite line. At the
beginning of this podcast, they talked about how ancient Chinese
used to use my huiang to get their speed fixed,
and well that was it these Mahoian. Yeah. I talked
(43:19):
about that somewhere else, and I can't remember where because
when I read it, I was like, I don't remember
we joked about this before we did. Ma huang is
a stimulant. I wonder what did we did we do
like traditional Chinese medicine. At one point, I think my
wine might have made it that's right, Okay, I remember now,
um wow, So I guess at some point in the
(43:41):
recent past I said search bar, right, so I guess
since time for listening? That right? Yes, um, quick plug
before we start. For my buddy Cameron Esposito, very funny comedian.
She is a Chicago native in is in l A now,
but she has started a podcast called Stand Up Mixtape.
And it is cool because each podcast is like a
(44:04):
little comedy lp in that she has moved a comedy
show into a studio. So instead of it some clubs,
some crappy club with people clinking glasses and you know,
well that's nice, but this is like pristine, like excellent sound.
She host um and host one of her comedian friends,
and uh, it's just good stuff. It's very funny, small,
(44:25):
intimate little field. You can like feel it even though
you're hearing it. So that's stand Up Mixtape. Is it
available in the normal places? Yeah? iTunes? Yep. Cameron Esposito,
go see her. She's very funny. She sports at the
side mullet All right, um, listener, mail from Asher about
(44:46):
just sort of clearing up the want just read it. Hey, guys,
I was a prosecutor in the Midwest into prior life,
so I was excited to hear your take on criminal records.
Your information was great all around. I wanted to clarify
one thing, though, because I used to run into it
all the dawn time. You did Yeoman's work by mentioning
that expunged is inaccurate. The records remain and are freely
(45:06):
available to law enforcement prosecutors and government agencies, but merely
can't easily be referenced in a subsequent court proceeding and
aren't publicly disclosed. However, you also mentioned that records of
traffic crimes are not kept as part as a person's
criminal record un once the crimeo serious, like vehicular homicide. UM,
it does depend on your state, but this is a
common misconception. As prosecutor, I saw everything you've ever done
(45:31):
from a piddally, from as pittally as a note, seatbelt
ticket too, as major as murder. This often became relevant
because my office had some discretion to give you a
deferred sentence. Basically, you don't screw up for six months
and the charge goes away, but only if you had
a clean record. I would on a daily basis have
people failed to disclose a speeding ticket elsewhere in the
state that had been expunged some years back. Then be
(45:53):
shocked that I knew about it. I love the show,
I just want to make sure. Ah, I just wanted
to make sure to mention this little tidbit for you
in case we revisit the topic. Also, I emailed you
before about your pronunciation of Nevada. Oh yeah, it still
makes me puppy cry every time you must pronounce it.
But unfortunately your podcast is great enough that I can
continue to overlook it, or at least until my puppies
(46:16):
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What up yo? That's written down? Even sisters? What up?
What up? Yo? I got my fat stacks? What is that?
(01:28):
My breaking bad tribute? This is about Matt I've always
is not what that shows about you? Do that. I
saw the first couple of episodes. I was like, Hey,
that's pretty good, and I don't have time in my
life for this right now? Yeah I didn't either. Um,
but I'm marathoning it now and I have gotten through
halfway through season four and there's how many What did
(01:49):
they just they're on real time now? Oh, they started it.
It's not over. I thought there was like a finale.
I think it's some in two parts. I think they
did the first eight and then they're taking a break,
and then the last eight of season five. Oh, that's
the end. I think that if I understand that is
the end of the series. Well, why don't you tell
everybody what happens at the end? I don't know yet.
(02:09):
Let's tell everybody what happens at the end of season's one, two,
or three. You know, they took a lot of meth
and sell a lot of meth and people get killed
spoiler alert, Yes, um and you end up talking like
Jesse Pinkman. If you watch the show, if you watch
eighteen episodes over the course of four days, you end
up saying a lot of things like fat stacks and
what up? Yo? What is a fat stack? Money? Yeah? Okay?
(02:32):
And I would call you the name for female dog
because he uses that word about eight times an episode. Really. Yeah, gosh,
the potty mouth on TV today. That's cable. Yeah, we're cable.
We don't say things like that because we're clean. Boys.
You said female song. Oh god, I feel like we're
(02:53):
on our way to baseball practice. Uh so, yeah, we
are talking meth breaking bets on the only Have you
ever seen the Salt and Sea? Yeah? Boy, that was
good man. Um Spun never saw that one, but I
know that one's about math. That was okay, um Spun
is a little tough to watch. It was one of
those that's like, we want to take you inside the
mind of a math user, like yeah, um American Pie
(03:17):
two uh, porkies, Yeah, yeah, jaws too, all about math.
All of them about meth um, which is surprising because
a lot of those aren't. But if you um wanted
to know everything there is to know about meth without
using it. You have turned to the right place because
(03:39):
this episode covers meth pretty hard. And that's my recommended
version of getting to know about math. Just did not
use it ever and just to listen to us talk
about how awful it is. But you're still gonna feel
pretty freezy by the end of this episode. You know,
because my boy Tom Sheaf Yeah, the female dog. Uh.
He he wrote a article on me. I asked him once.
(04:02):
I was like, what are some of your favorite articles,
because I was looking for once to to do episodes.
He's like meth. He's like, it was really good, and
then he launched into this discussion about the history of it,
which is pretty fascinating. Awesome. So let's talk about myth.
If you do a little bit of meth, how long
will you be high for Chuck? Uh, Well, it depends
(04:24):
what you call a little bit, but it could be
anywhere from three to six hours to twenty four hours,
or if you keep using it, you could be up
for days. Yeah, which is apparently something that people like
to do. Uh. They don't just take a hit of meth.
I've seen hit There was this front Line there's a
front Line micro site about the meth epidemic, and they
(04:46):
kept calling it a hit, and I'm like, what is
a hit? Oh yeah, they call it the little baggy
that you buy on the street. That call it something
I'm breaking back. I can't remember at stacks. Now that's
the money you make them selling it female dog. Nope,
that's everyone on the show. I don't know that. We'll
probably called it a hit. But if you, if you
(05:06):
do meth frequently, you're not going to just you know,
take a hit of meth and then be like, well
that's it for me. Yeah, I'm gonna go to work
and I'm fine, don't ever need to do this again.
You know, you'll be like, oh, half hours passed. I
think I should do maybe a little more and then
a little more and I'm up for eight days in
a row until my body blacks out and I fall
(05:27):
over and get some sleep. Can we talk street names
real quick? Sure, because that's always fun. Meth crank, speed, chalk,
ice glass, crystal, crystal, meth, tina really um tweak. I
lived in Human, Arizona, as you know, lots of math
(05:47):
users there. Um you can tell oh yeah, you tell
me that one story? Was it that? Like the washing?
The car. Yeah, You're like, I'd be going home from
you know, a saloon at two thirty in the morning
and there's people out washing their cars under the floodlights,
and you're like, no, that's not really funny. You wonder
what's going on there or their gardening or something with
(06:08):
floodlights on. Um. Anyway, Yuma's got a lot of drugs.
I mean, it's like a mile from Mexico. UM. And
they called it tweak. They called like it could be tweak,
could be the noun for the drug, like get some
tweak a tweaker or was someone who did it? Um
tom sites a state that you eventually, yeah, is tweaking. Yeah,
(06:30):
that's why I took a slight issue because in Uma
they were just called tweakers. It was called tweaking. It's
called tweak. Um do you want to tweak? It could
be a verb or we are tweaking. It's been quite
some time since I've tweaked. It's been a week since
I've tweaked. Yeah, So they used to tweak for basically
every facet. And I don't know if that was a
(06:51):
regional thing or not. Ghack, that's another one. Really, it's
an ugly word. Crank was the old days. That was
like that's when the motorcycle, yea bike or crank yeah,
or rucker crank. Yeah, all those days like we were
you know, in the Hell's Angels were taking greenies. Greenies
for this speed, like pharmaceutical speed. Yeah, that's what. Until
(07:14):
two thousand six, baseball players were very famous for taking greenies. Real. Yeah,
and a lot of athletes actually have been known to
abuse amphetamines because you know, jacksie up and you win
the race. Yeah, you know, ye, all right, that's enough
for the street names. Okay. Um, Meth happens to be
(07:35):
highly addictive, and it's highly addictive following the same route
that any stimulant addicts you with. I think that was correct. Ultimately, Um,
it stimulates your central nervous system to produce dopamine, and
your brain is flooded with dopamine. So all of a sudden,
you have um hyperactive movement because dopamine controls and regulates
(07:59):
movement of your body. Yeah, um, you feel really really
good because dopamines related to feelings of euphoria and a
sense of well being. Um, and you your emotions may
become heightened. Yeah yeah, thanks, I think so. Um. The
(08:22):
problem is, as with all, um all drugs, really is
that you cannot naturally reproduce the sensation, so you do
more of the drug and then, like with all drugs,
your tolerance builds up and you need more of it
to reach that sensation that you're striving for. There you
have it. You're addicted to meth, right and um. The
(08:43):
downside of that, aside from spending extra money to get
to the same place, it's about a million downsides, right, um,
is that if you ever do decide to quit meth,
your dopamine receptors have shrunk. The number of dopamine receptors
in your brain of s they don't function quite as well.
And um, you are dopamine deficient, which means that when
(09:05):
you get off the meth, which is the only thing
that's really increasing your dopamine levels any longer, you're going
to encounter sensations of utter hopelessness and depression, and that
will likely feedback into a vicious cycle where you go
back onto meth so that you can not feel depressed
or hopeless any longer. So it's very very tough to
(09:27):
um quit that cycle of addiction. If you want to
know more about addiction. We did a pretty cool yeah
UM episode on addiction itself. But yeah, it's pretty standard stuff. Yeah.
And the good news is your dopamine levels will over
time UM reset to normal UM in pretty much all cases.
(09:49):
I did see that they one of these surveys are
not surveys but studies. They found that even a couple
of years after ceasing it, UM, the brain did not
cover in some areas after two years of abstinence, so
there could be some like long lasting maybe not permanent,
I don't want to say that word, but long lasting effects. Um.
(10:12):
If you get your hands on some meth and you're like,
I'm gonna do this. There are generally four ways that
people take meth. The most common is to snort it.
The second um is to smoke it, third is to
shoot it. And then some people take it orally, which
I can only imagine will cause stomach ulcers. Too sweet, Yeah,
because this is really really toxic stuff. Yes, at the
(10:35):
very least, Um, if you're smoking it, you will get
something called meth mouth. Yes, and if you are not
around your dinner right now, you can go google image
pictures of meth mouth and is tough to look at. Yeah,
if you ever want to never ever do meth, then
to look at pictures of that or google uh meth
before after, Oh the mug shots. Did you see the
(10:59):
one that? So it's a public service announcement. The sheriff
in Arizona, Oregon. It was some sheriff's deputy started noticing
people coming in um that we're on meth and realizing
that this is like their second or third or fourth
time in and he started collecting their mug shots and
(11:20):
created this basically like before and after of mug shots
of people who do meth, and like the results are
staggering because it also has the length of time in
between the pictures, so sometimes two months, sometimes two and
a half years, and people age like ten twenty years
and like a year or two just from doing a
math hardcore and meth mouth in particular is really, like
(11:42):
Chuck says, extremely disgusting and hard to look at. I've
seen some pictures of some pretty horrible stuff in my lifetime,
and math mouth is really tough to look at. Your
teeth like fall out, crack and fall out. Yeah, first
they decay, then they cracked, then they fall out, and
you might have sharp, jagged little stumps with the exposed,
darkened gums. And they're not quite sure exactly what causes
(12:05):
meth mouth, but they think it's a combination of things. One,
they think it's the harsh chemicals that the drug is
made from. They think that um, the constriction of the
capillaries and the blood vessels going to your mouth makes
them wither and die, so then the tissue decays and
then um, they think that it also gives you dry mouth.
(12:27):
So your saliva, so your saliva um isn't present any
longer to to keep the harsh acids that the digestive
acids that are present naturally in your mouth. The saliva
is out there to wash it away. So they just
grind down on your teeth, and then you yourself, while
you're tweaking, are grinding your teeth. So those four things
(12:49):
in conjunction basically account from meth mouth. They think, Wow,
it's nasty. Oh, it's nasty stuff. Um, your heart rate
is gonna really shoot up. You were going to be
more alert. You're gonna be breathing quicker, you'll be sweating
a lot, you're going to be very talkative about everything,
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or you're going to go into a room and sit
around and rock and think about yourself in your place
in the world. You might feel superhuman or intelligent or empowered. Um,
you are none of those, which is the ironic thing. Um.
And this one is the none of It's funny. This
one is unusual. Is the mundane tasks like you hear
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reports of like methods who take apart their television and
put it back together the time. Um. But there's a
breaking this won't spell anything. There's a breaking bad scene
where where Jesse's trying to get some tweakers out of
out of a house into the front yard and he
goes and gets a shovel and the guys like, what
are you doing. He's like, I know, I can't remember
what he called him, I know methods and he might dogs. Yeah,
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And he went and started digging a whole the front
yard and one of him just comes out and he's like,
what are you doing. He's like, what does it look like?
I'm digging this hole? Man, I gotta find it. And
the guy just kind of wanders out looking and then
he's like, you mind taking over, And all of a sudden,
it's dude he's never met before, is out there just
digging this hole. To China, and that's like the mundane
task you can get a meth head preoccupied with and
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they will put together that puzzle for two days. Tom
points out that this is that makes us very alluring
for somebody who's say an assembly line worker who has
to do repetitive tasks for eight hours at a stretch.
Once they do met, they're suddenly like, Wow, this is
really fascinating work that I do here. And also the
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time just went by lickety split, and now I can
go do more maths. Right, yeah, let's go party, because
that's you know, that's your workhead stash that you keep
your party and stash at home. I would guess. Um.
In addition to the mush mouth um, one thing you'll
see a lot on Breaking Bad and in the photos
is these scabby lesions on your face. And I wasn't
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sure what that was. I thought it might be somewhat
the chemicals or the burning. I think it's a little
of that too. Well, it's also just scratching, scratching your face,
scratching your face, scratching her face until I have a
hole in my cheek. But I think it starts out
with an actual blemish from the chemicals, like was it
being excreted through your skin? Um, you're probably not going
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to ever get really fat if you are addicted to meth. Um,
you're you're appetite just like not there. Um. So yeah,
a lot of people like the I guess that effect
of it. If they feel fat but they don't really
care about their teeth, then meth probably seems like a
logical alternative. Well, and we'll get into this, but it
(15:48):
was speed is what diet bills were for many many years. Um.
And eventually, if you stay on the meth, you will
eventually freaking lose your mind basically, and you will hear
things and see things and experience psychosis and hallucinations and uh.
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Part of that is the drug at work, and part
of that is beating your body up and being yeah, yeah,
eventually it will get the best of you. There is
no rosy outcome, yeah, if you're doing math. But what's
nuts about meth is that, like it is all of
Nancy Reagan's FIBs and distortions and outright lies about other
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drugs brought to life, like you really do murder your
loved one with a claw hammer because you perceive them
to be the devil, like you really do, like um,
scald your your three year old niece to death with
hot water because you've been up for too many days
to know what you're doing, Like you do steal a
tank and drive it through downtown San Diego and then
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are shot to death by the police. Like that stuff
happens on meth. No, lie, no exagger ration. Yeah that
I think I meant to look this up. It seemed
like recently I read a story about this lady that
broke into Walmart, or not broke in, but in Walmart
through the door. Yeah, I'm I'm in Walmart, um now
and started to try and cook meth in the Walmart.
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She was so messed up, she got all the ingredients
and started the process. I might be wrong, but it's
one I remember reading that l well. I think that's
one of the problems. One of the big dangers with
meth is there's so many, so many addicts who know
how to make the drug that they're addicted to. Like you,
if you're a junkie, you can't just make your own
heroin like you have to harvest poppies, or if you
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are coke heead, you can't like where you're gonna get
your coca leaves, you know, like meth is made from
what used to be, at least until a couple of
years ago, readily available ingredients. All right, you know, it's
just sad. I looked up meth and Walmart and it's
happened more than once. It was like a woman in St. Louis,
a man in Ohio like cooking, trying to cook meth
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inside of a store. That's crazy, while it was open
or closed. I think the one lady was while was
open successful. Don't don't mind me, I'm just shopping for
tents and uh so, okay, let's talk about the history
of meth amphetamans is pretty interesting. Ah. There is a
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rumor that I had heard years and years ago that
it was the Nazis who came up with meth, and
as I grew a little older, I was like, that's
not true, and it turns out it isn't true. But
what is true is that the Nazis supplied their infantrymen,
their airmen, their sailors, everybody in the German military during
World War Two with tons of meth amphetamines. Like they
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were jacked up on meth and fighting, which is the
most psychotic idea I've ever heard. The Nazis on meth
sounds like a some sort of speed metal band or something,
you know, or like a weird musical. Yeah, it says
this one stat in one four four month period in
German military was fed more than thirty five million speed tablets.
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Thirty five million speed tablets in the four month period
fighting the war. Can you imagine? And it wasn't just
us though, I mean, I'm sorry, it wasn't just them. No,
Americans and the Brits were what was it, dexadrine, dexadrine
and benza drene. And then the Japanese had their own
kind of crank um military grade yeah, crazy, yeah, And
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so there was that was a big thing in World
War two, was supplying the boys on the line with
as much meth as they could possibly take and keeping
them up and angry, keeping them eating less so they
were consuming less food like that. Think about that, yeah, um,
and just turning them into basically like literal fighting machines.
Almost wow, I did see that. The apparently the Germans
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tested it at first and found a soldier in March
fifty five miles before an hour before collapsing basically like
without Yeah, and this the Germans had this thing called
per viting pervitin or proviting probably pervitin, and that was
their meth. And apparently towards the end of the war
they were like, Okay, the providing's working pretty good, but
let's see what we can do to really jack these
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guys up. And they the Nazi scientists cam up with
d I X and it was three milligrams of providing
mixed with five milligrams with cocaine and five milligrams of
a pain killer all combined. And apparently this thing never
got our hit the street because the Allies. The Allies
invaded and probably did it all whatever they could find,
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and it went away. It was wiped off the face
of the earth. Cocaine, meth and pain killer in a pill. Yeah,
that's crazy. But we should go back even further. Prior
to World War two, uh, thousands of years ago in China,
in India and Pakistan, there were trees, a group of
shrubs known as a fedra. Yeah, they have a an
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active ingredient that was isolated in eighteen eighty seven by
a Japanese chemist, ephedrine. It's an amphetamine and uh, shortly
after that, um, somebody turned ephedrin into a methamphetamine by
adding a methyl group to it, and then after that
somebody turned it into crystal methamphetamine, which is meth. Yeah.
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That's a long crystal meths has been around. Yeah, it
just seems like a newer thing. Yeah, you would think,
like maybe from the sixties or seventies. So after the war,
after World War two, um, when everybody was on speed,
people came back from the front saying, hey, we really
like the speed. Uh. It became available publicly in Germany
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during the war. This stuff was available publicly, the pervitin. Yeah,
but the dexigen and benzagrine became available in the United
States I think during the war as well. But it
became very popular in the fifties and sixties for like
you said, a number of reasons like dieting. Well, yeah,
and before that was what's scary is is they like
the early drug days, we found out we're just crazy,
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this crazy weird land where they were making these new
things like LST and tweak And they say in the
early days of crystal meth they it didn't even have
a purpose yet and the people were just giving it
to patients and just hey, try this out, like you
need to pick me up. Like the stuff seems to
work pretty well. Are you depressed? Like, try this stuff,
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you might not be so depressed. And uh, then it
got a little more specific and they're like, all right,
we can use it in any depressants and diet pills, right, legitimate, yes,
you know. And so ben'za Dreen and decks of Dren
came about jet Carouac wrote, um, on the road is
that true? Yes, that sounds I've always heard that like
a three day No, it was longer than three days.
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It was three weeks. I see, that was it? Yeah,
But taped together a bunch of paper and that and
wrote it all the way down. Um, and it turned
out to be a hundred and twenty ft long. On
the road was interesting. Yeah, Carowac definitely knew his way
around a benny. Well he a bottle and whatever else. Yeah,
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he mentioned something on the road. Yeah. They they're like
a minor character almost. Yeah. I read that and Big
Sir while I was traveling through Big Big was awesome
because it had that one moment in it where he's like,
you can't fall off a mountain. It was so awesome.
It makes such understands like, sure, you can fall down
a mountain and you're probably gonna die opinion where you fall,
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but you can't fall from the top to the bottom,
like you can't fall off a mountain. I just thought
that was so neat because it like drilled right into
my head just the way he meant it to. Right then, Yeah,
he was. He was quite the method though. Yeah he
was speeding. Yeah, speed freak, I guess. And there they
friendly have made that to a movie. Yeah, is it
(24:01):
it's coming out or did it? I think very soon?
Who's in it? Um, because I remember being excited about it,
but well, that's Whylight girls in it, which yeah, but
who was playing? Uh, I can't remember who's playing? The
two guys Cassidy yeah and Jack. Well that wasn't Jack,
(24:22):
it was right, Yeah, that's right. I don't know, but
it was Jack and Cassidy was named somebody else. There
was Moriarty, I think it was. It's been a while either.
It looks pretty good though, you're either thinking of On
the Road or the Sherlock Home series. But yeah, so so.
Carolac was part of the pretty much popular American culture
(24:45):
from housewives, two doctors to um, anybody who were hooked
on Benny's or dexadrine and UM. Eventually it became quite
obvious that America was a nation of speed freaks and
we need to do some thing about it. So the
government stepped in and they started controlling speed. Yeah. They
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One of the things they tried to do is control
what they call precursor chemicals, the things he used to
make the math and UM. I guess we'll get into
this later, but it hadn't really worked that well over
the years because it just we if one thing we've
learned is that there are certain amount of people that
want to do their drugs, there's a certain amount of
people that want to make them and sell them, and
(25:27):
those numbers don't really change that much over the years,
despite laws and any efforts by the you know, legal measures,
it's gonna happen. So, UM, well, let's talk about the
seventies real quick, because I think it fits with this,
like it's a sterling example of that was the motorcycle
gangs like the Hell's Angels. They were making what you
would call today crank amphetamines. Alright, they were using a
(25:50):
precursor chemical called phennel two propenone and P two P
was a pool chemical and they were using it to
make crank and it worked pretty well. I mean, I
guess it made decent crank um. And the government outlawed
P two P or clamped down and regulated it's uh
it's sale and production, and so the outlaw bikers said, well,
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we'll just have to figure something else out. I guess
some of them looked into the annals of history and
realized that if fedron was out there easily available, you
could buy it from the manufacturer illegally, and they started
using that. But there's a big surprise when they successfully
made um crank using if fedron wasn't there chuck. Yeah,
(26:32):
they found out this junk is twice as strong as
the last junk, which I guess was great news if
you were a Hell's Angel cooking speed. Yeah, I'm sure.
They added a methyl group and it became meth amphedamine. Basically,
that UM nineteen nineteen recipe was lost to the ages
and accidentally discovered by Hell's Angels. That's right, and as
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Tom points out, that would bring the trade and illegal
speed to its jittery knees. Right. Good stuff. He's got
some this This article is definitely worth reading. Yeah. Actually
that was when P two P was under control. But
you know, I had to delight everyone with his pros. Um. Well,
should we get to the brothers then, and then jump
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back to how you make it? Uh? Jeseus and Luis
Emma Emma's kua. I think so. They are pretty much
one of the big reasons why meth is such a
big deal right now. On the nineteen eighties, they were
some small time coke runners and they said, this is
(27:35):
pretty good, makeing a little bit of dough. But um,
this meths meth thing is pretty interesting, so let me
go uh import some adrin from overseas make some money.
A short time later, MIDnet nines, they are responsible for
eight of the meth in the United States of America.
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They took over the whole scene basically, yes, well they
created the scene almost. They basically said, we are going to, um,
just start importing pure ephedrine from manufacturers in like India,
and they did, and they were doing this for years
and years and years. And they very very wisely would
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order it from the factory and then routed through like
Europe to Mexico or South America to Mexico or it
never went through the US, so they kept the U
S customs officials out of it. Well, the U S
still got their hands on it. One time, Uh, they
seize three point four metric tons of ephedrin and we're like, oh, okay,
(28:39):
now we know where this high grade speed came from.
Out of nowhere, um, and white people are killing their
friends with claw hammers. All of a sudden, it's because
of these guys who are importing this. And now all
of a sudden, this this UM thought to outlaw precursor
chemicals kicks back in and they started clamping down on
a fedron true and that made a bit of a
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dent for a little while. But like we said, where
there is a will, there is a way, and Um,
despite the d e a's efforts in the American government,
you had temporary licenses granted to people selling it. Uh,
and the pseudo effordrin basically was like still readily available
because there were so many They basically said, you got
(29:23):
a register with us if you want to sell this stuff.
They were so overloaded that they couldn't even process all
these applications. But they were overloaded, like the people who
were illegally selling and producing a federan and selling them
to drug cartels. Applied for licenses and the d A
was so swampy, said, everybody just kids a temporary license.
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So people were for a brief period legally selling a
fedron to these cartels in bulk. And imagine they were
making pretty good money doing it, which is why they
kept doing it, you know. Yeah. Um, eventually that dried
up a little bit, and um, most of the stuff
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moved to Mexico. Um in Earnest Canada, the super Labs Canada. Um,
did you say it was at Iraq or Iran? Well,
Iran's the rising star right now. They had um In
two thousand and eight there were two meth labs busted
in Iran, and in two thousand and ten they busted
a hundred and sixty six Wait from what to what
(30:28):
to two hundred and sixty six and two years? Yeah,
Iran's like crazy for meth right now, jeez. And apparently
in Japan, a graham goes for a thousand dollars, so
I bet that's where a lot of it's going to. Really,
Pakistan's big on meth. Apparently Southeast South and East Asia
are really fond of meth right now. Yeah, boy, that's scary. Um.
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So jumping back though, Um, they tried to control the
sale of pseudoeprogrin more and more, and then they just
realized that these meth books, like the superlabs, they're not
going into grocery stores and buying pseudo weaprogroen. I don't know,
I think some of them are, Oh I don't think
in that quantity. Well, they're buying like cold pills in bulk,
they're still using that as the precursor. Yeah, but in bulk,
(31:14):
like they're not walking into right age and buying, you know,
three hundred boxes of cold They would probably raise some
red fly exactly. But um, home cooks and people that
are into making their own math for you know themselves,
are their friends. Um break into stores sometimes or sometimes
just buy um what they call blister packs. They're the
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little pill packages with the little single pills you gotta
pop out one at a time. Uh. But they actually
have deep blistering machines to do that for you if
you're a larger operation, which I didn't had never heard
of that. So this whole suit of federan thing, you know,
how you used to just be able to walk down
the aisles and you could buy a suit of FED
and it was right there on the shelf. Well, now
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you have to buy it from behind the counter because
it's federal regulation. Like you can't just sell it out,
it's too easy to steal. You have to you have
to interact with the human being who can call the
d e A or the cops. You're allowed in a
lot of states, like no more than one pack. Sometimes
you have to show your driver's license. There's always regulations.
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It's still not making much of a dent. But and
apparently the reason the big rub to meth home cooked
meth is the pharmaceutical lobby because they they're like, well,
we don't want our cold medicine and to only be
available by prescription. We're moving on this product. Yeah, but
in states where they they did, they did make sudo
(32:39):
FED and other like um cold medicines that have pseudo
federate in it h prescription only. They've seen a sharp
decrease in meth related crime. So that does work. Behind
the counter doesn't work. Prescription only apparently does work. Yeah,
but those are for home cooks. Um, what's the stat
about the superlabs if you are buying methan United States,
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most of that is made by the super labs. Um,
like you see on Breaking Bad. So now I've heard that,
I think this might be out of date. Apparently in
two nine, Mexico finally came to American pressure and said, okay,
we're just outlawing pseudo federan imports all together. And so
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the Mexican cartel said, okay, well, we're just gonna move
all our huge operations than into smaller operations in California.
And now California makes more meth than the next five
top producing states in the country combined. Yeah, but it's
all smaller labs. So fun gets busted. Who cares? Which
makes more sense? You know? Interesting? Yeah? Yeah, because what
was the stat he gave that what percentage was made
(33:45):
by There are only four super labs, but they were
making of the methods four percent of labs or super labs,
but they're making And apparently that was true until two
thousand nine. Alright, Um, you want to talk about making it? Yeah,
I guess we need to talk about making it. This
is sort of like the how to grow marijuana. Well,
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there's some key you can tell there's key stuff left
out here. Yeah, I think one of But I guess
this means that Tom knows how to make method from
researching this all right, So here's how to do it, josh. Um.
What you want to do is, if you don't have
your meth or you're I'm sorry, you're efidrin or pseudo
efrogron and its powder form. You need to separate that
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from the tablets in the cold medicine. And when you
do that by mixing it with a solvent, and the
solution is unfiltered, exposed to low temperatures, and then you
can remove the innert material and you're left with um,
your pure pseudo efrogron or efigrin step one, step two.
Do you want me to handle this? You're gonna make
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me culpable. No no, Um. You you want to take
your your pseudo effrogen um, whether you've removed your dirt
materials or you have the your stuff. Um. You want
to mix it with red phosphorus and hydriotic acid, which
I don't know what that is, but red phosphorus is
like match sticks. You can get that from like the
tip of a match contains red phosphorus. That's why if
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you see people buying lots of book matches. Then they
might be tweaking or making specially their teeth are correct cooking. Yes,
Then you filter out that stuff, the red phosphorus. You're
gonna reuse it later. UM. And then you neutralize the
remaining acid by adding a lie solution and you add
it just says a substance which I like. This is
(35:35):
where he gets a little vague. Um is added to
bind the meth um and then you the liquid meth
is drained out at that point and you're left with
the crystalline. Is that is that the point? Now you
have to you have to bubble hydrogen chloride gas, which
is through the toxic through the liquid math, and that
(35:56):
turns it into a crystal hydrochloride salt. Right, you're gonna
filter that UM. What is left is then dried out
and then UM and breaking bad. At least it's on
these sheets like cookie sheets, and they break the ice
as they call it, and UM or step step on it,
which means you add other nasty inert filler to basically
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cut the drug and make it go go further. Two
unwitting purchasers and snorters, and you weigh it, package it,
chip it out so in Japan for a thousand dollars
of Graham. That's right. Um, it sounds very easy, and
apparently it kind of is if people walk into Walmart
and try to do it themselves. UM, the problem is
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it's extremely dangerous, especially if you're separating um I federan
or suit of federan from like an inert material in
a cold medicine. You're adding an extra step. You're also
adding a solvent, which is that they tend to be explosive,
so you have an explosion danger. Um. You're also inhaling
some really toxic toxic chemicals. UM, up to you. I
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think thirty two different chemicals used in making meth, and
the byproduct itself produces six times of the actual product
that you're looking for. So if you produce one pound
of meth amphidamine, you've produced six pounds of toxic materials
as a result. Do you want me to go over
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some of these chemicals? This is what you're snorting or
smoking if you're doing math. Um, potentially gasoline ether paint,
dinner free on chloroform, camp stove fuel, uh EPs, and
salt red devil Lie drain cleaner, battery acid. Yeah, that's
pretty bad. That's fun to snort. Myriadic acid, lithium from battery,
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sodium metal, um epidrin, iodine. Uh did I say paint there?
It's worth saying again. Yeah, So those are some of
the chemicals that and you know, breaking bad. They don't
use any of this stuff. That's kind of one of
the things is the guy's a chemistry he's very proud
of his drugs. And they don't even use cold pills.
They make they start from the beginning in a chemistry sense,
(38:11):
to make their own. Yeah. And um, it's all very
pure and you know, it's not full of all this gunk.
And it's blue, which is interesting because that is not
that it is a signal that it is impure. It's
a hallmark of the show, this blue meth. But um,
these days there are enterprising meth cooks that are dying
(38:32):
their meth blue. And the article I read said they're
not quite they call it smurf dope. And uh, he said,
it's not clear why they're doing this. It could be
just to standout to market their product, or it could
be to throw off test like um on site UM
test to see if it's man. They'll drop it in
it turns blue, said, and some think it might be
influenced by breaking bad. I wonder, Yeah, I bet you. Yeah,
(38:55):
I'm sure it is. Um. However you make it, whether
it's blue, ye're adding you are creating a toxic site.
Very like we talked about in UM what what what
episode was it? I can't remember about. It was basically like, oh,
crime scene remediation or crime scene something. Yeah. Um. And
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one of the things, one of the big I guess
um jobs in the industry is cleaning up meth labs. Uh.
Once you do this, you have pretty much rendered a
house useless. Like Tom points out that sometimes when the
cops sees a meth lab and it's a house, they
just won't even they'll disabandon it because they can't resell it. Yeah.
(39:38):
I mean it gets in the curtains and the carpet
and the tiles in the wood. Um. And that's if
the house doesn't explode all together. The house, the camp site,
the camper, the car, the trunk of the car to
the back of the van, the motel room, the Walmart
had the aisle I'll seven at Walmart. Uh. Yeah, it's
(40:01):
pretty scary stuff. And you know, I'm breaking bad their
scientists and chemist and they're wearing all the equipment and
they have or they're wearing all the gear and they
have all the nice equipment. But that's not like these
these homegrown cooks are not super smart because they're doing
this to begin with, and then they might be severely
(40:21):
tweaking up for days, not thinking straight. And that's why
they will have explosions and try and eat dirt as
they're dying because the taste in their mouth is so bitter,
and uh, someone's left to clean up the mess. And
that's what makes it the number one abused hard drug
in the world, more than cocaine and heroin combine. Yea,
I saw that, and that's meth. I got a couple
(40:45):
of scary stats. I guess we can finish off with
some some depressing news. Um uh, I'll just summarize here.
The overall picture is that are that there are less
new users, which is good, but the stable level of
myth and fhetamine abuse is kept. It's basically there's still
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just as much meth, just fewer new users. The people
that are using it are really using it more and
more like they're really into it. So if it's not
going anywhere, and you know the d e A has
it's sort of dipped in years, but risen back. It's
just one of those things. It's like any drug, like
cocaine has been in and out of fashion for a
hundred and fifty years. It'll it'll dip down and they'll
(41:30):
tout some numbers, but then I'll shoot right back up
in another country. Maybe, Um, one of eighth graders, one
point six of tenth graders, and one percent of high
school seniors the lifetime have abused at least once in
the prior year to the survey, which those are pretty
low numbers, but I was hoping it would be like
(41:51):
point oh one or something like that. Well America, I mean,
if there's like twenty three million users worldwide, America's got
about two million of them. I'm mean that's pretty significant.
I thought it'd be more than that. I would think
so too. That's what I heard. Don't do it. Don't
do math. It's just a bad idea. I think that's
(42:12):
a great win and get high on life. Go for
a natural Hi hi hi b in yours. So that's nice, Chuck, Um.
If you want to learn more about meth and all
of the myriad reason why you should not do it.
You can type in meth in the search bartow stuff
(42:34):
works dot com and this one goes to our drug suite.
We've done M D M A L s now we have? Yeah,
we did, we did. Uh. We talked about M D
M A and them, but not a dedicated show. It
was pretty much a dedicated show on M D M A. Yeah.
We talked about LSD A bunch of times, how to
grow pot Uh. Yeah, a bunch of stuff. I've that
(42:54):
a few more in the Kittie Yeah, we gotta hit crack,
we gotta hit creck, and we gotta hit to Oh man,
I didn't get to use my favorite line. At the
beginning of this podcast, they talked about how ancient Chinese
used to use my huiang to get their speed fixed,
and well that was it these Mahoian. Yeah. I talked
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about that somewhere else, and I can't remember where because
when I read it, I was like, I don't remember
we joked about this before we did. Ma huang is
a stimulant. I wonder what did we did we do
like traditional Chinese medicine. At one point, I think my
wine might have made it that's right, Okay, I remember now,
um wow, So I guess at some point in the
(43:41):
recent past I said search bar, right, so I guess
since time for listening? That right? Yes, um, quick plug
before we start. For my buddy Cameron Esposito, very funny comedian.
She is a Chicago native in is in l A now,
but she has started a podcast called Stand Up Mixtape.
And it is cool because each podcast is like a
(44:04):
little comedy lp in that she has moved a comedy
show into a studio. So instead of it some clubs,
some crappy club with people clinking glasses and you know,
well that's nice, but this is like pristine, like excellent sound.
She host um and host one of her comedian friends,
and uh, it's just good stuff. It's very funny, small,
(44:25):
intimate little field. You can like feel it even though
you're hearing it. So that's stand Up Mixtape. Is it
available in the normal places? Yeah? iTunes? Yep. Cameron Esposito,
go see her. She's very funny. She sports at the
side mullet All right, um, listener, mail from Asher about
(44:46):
just sort of clearing up the want just read it. Hey, guys,
I was a prosecutor in the Midwest into prior life,
so I was excited to hear your take on criminal records.
Your information was great all around. I wanted to clarify
one thing, though, because I used to run into it
all the dawn time. You did Yeoman's work by mentioning
that expunged is inaccurate. The records remain and are freely
(45:06):
available to law enforcement prosecutors and government agencies, but merely
can't easily be referenced in a subsequent court proceeding and
aren't publicly disclosed. However, you also mentioned that records of
traffic crimes are not kept as part as a person's
criminal record un once the crimeo serious, like vehicular homicide. UM,
it does depend on your state, but this is a
common misconception. As prosecutor, I saw everything you've ever done
(45:31):
from a piddally, from as pittally as a note, seatbelt
ticket too, as major as murder. This often became relevant
because my office had some discretion to give you a
deferred sentence. Basically, you don't screw up for six months
and the charge goes away, but only if you had
a clean record. I would on a daily basis have
people failed to disclose a speeding ticket elsewhere in the
state that had been expunged some years back. Then be
(45:53):
shocked that I knew about it. I love the show,
I just want to make sure. Ah, I just wanted
to make sure to mention this little tidbit for you
in case we revisit the topic. Also, I emailed you
before about your pronunciation of Nevada. Oh yeah, it still
makes me puppy cry every time you must pronounce it.
But unfortunately your podcast is great enough that I can
continue to overlook it, or at least until my puppies
(46:16):
head explodes. I don't know what that means. Down Math Asher, Asher,
clean up buddy. Thank you for writing into UM. If
you have a correction, especially if it's nuanced, we love that,
you can tweet it to us at s y SK podcast,
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