How Monopoly Works

Since more than 1 billion people have played it, you're probably familiar with the board game Monopoly, but we bet you don't know its secret origins as a left-wing socialist teaching tool. Learn about the history, rules and cultural impact of Monopoly.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to you Stuff you should Know from house Stuff
Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm
Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry Rowland,
which makes this stuff you should know. It's right. I
got on my top hat and cane your monocle monic

(00:22):
to see a monocle. I thought it was not this'
Mr Peanut. Oh yeah, not Mr Monopoly. And I think
Mr Pringle has a monocle too, don't you know, he
says an anostatic. Mr Monopoly doesn't have a monocle. Huh,
I don't think so. Huh. You'd think we'd know. We
do not, But I do know this Mr Monopoly is

(00:44):
a nickname for that man. That's right. His born name
is given name by his parents is rich Uncle Pennybags.
Three names, so uncle would be his middle name. Yeah.
Well he even has a regular name too. Oh not
that I saw. Yeah, it is Um Millburn Pennybags. No. Yeah,

(01:05):
there was a book Um published and this is one
of those after the fact deals called the Monopoly Companion,
and they named all the character characters on the board
Milbourne Penny Bags. And then the jail guy is Jake.
The jailbird and the police officer and go to jail
is I'll bet a tyrus, isn't it? Well, Officer Edgar Mallory,
I really do you just gets that? Yeah, that's pretty funny.

(01:29):
We're talking about Monopoly, by the way. Oh yeah, this
is not about anything else but Monopoly. No. And I
was just remarking to you, sir, how I've never seen
one of our This had more supplemental information than most
shows that we research. Yeah. I can explain why because

(01:52):
this was written. There was a whole suite of UM
game articles written like um just how to play certain games.
So it kind of came out in this mentality and
of this is the game, and here's how we explain
how to play it, and this article is done. Whereas Monopoly,
it's like this is more like McDonald's or Twinkies or

(02:13):
something like that. It's like a cultural cog. Yeah. I
mean there's so much extra junk history. And I mean
you talk about the different versions, it's ridiculous Milburn Penny pennybags. Yeah.
And like I said, that was a post that he
wasn't originally called that. This is I think Monopoly probably

(02:35):
wanted to sell a little a Little Book or two.
I'm sure they did. Because if one thing we've learned
about Parker Brothers and now has Bro is they love
selling different versions of this game. Yeah, they do. They
like licensing it off a lot of money. They like
making some changes. Here they're releasing a brand new game,

(02:55):
but it's all still the same game and all of it,
Um came from a left wing Quaker intellectual at the
turn of the last century. Yeah it was. I'm saying that, right, Yeah, sure, okay,
let it sounds right. Uh. And it's interesting to me
that the game of Monopoly, which is all about capitalism,

(03:19):
bankrupting or neighbor was stolen. The game was stolen from
a leftist intellectual Quaker. In the original version of the game,
it was to teach against the monopolies and how they
were bad. Right, So let's talk about this monopoly. Actually,
if you trace it back to about the like the
literal beginning of the twentieth century, Um, it's what's considered

(03:43):
a folk game. There were a lot of people playing
versions like this and cities all over the country. But again,
they all shared some pretty common viewpoints. Uh. I guess
you today you would kind of call them socialists, um,
but for the most part they were um followers of
a guy named Henry George. Yeah, he came up with

(04:05):
this thing called Georgism, which was based on some other philosophies.
But the idea of it is is that if you
produce something through the through your own labor, your own work,
you own that that should not be taxed. What should
be taxes things that everybody owns. If somebody's taking something
that belongs to everybody, say a parcel of land, technically

(04:26):
the land belongs everybody. Well, that was his notion was
that you shouldn't even be a landowner. Whole concept of
owning land to him was ridiculous. And that's based on
this idea the law of the Commons, which is around
for centuries, if not millennia, and then um, once people
started taking land, He's like, okay, well, if you're gonna
own land, it belongs to everybody, so that should be
taxed and then that tax will be given back to

(04:48):
the community for the greater good. So that's Georgeism, and
that was kind of the philosophy that formed the basis
of monopoly what was originally called the Landlord's Game, which
is created by a lady named Lizzie Maggie m A
G y m A g I e almost Magpie without

(05:09):
the pe right, uh. And she basically was on her
card and she uh, she came up with this, like
you said, to kind of teach um, so you could
go and be a rich landowner and bankrupt other people
and exploit the poor who need your help, um, who

(05:30):
need a decent place to stay, and you could see
yourself like the evils of capitalism. But she actually came
up with two sets of rules for the same game.
One was where you got as rich as you could
at the expense of everybody else. The other was a
basically the community benefited. And you can kind of see

(05:51):
that today and like these weird things like community chest,
like why would I want to you know, pay into
this pot. I don't care about the commune in the
like now it's a bad thing. In her original version,
it was a good thing, like the community one, and
that was the basis of the whole thing. Yeah, which
is really ironic, it is uh. Yeah, like you said,

(06:11):
she created two versions, and she said, Um. One of
the quotes from her is it is a practical demonstration
of the present system of land grabbing with all its
usual outcomes and consequences. So you know, it's kind of
to teach people lessons. H and she had it stolen
from her. Luckily, Lizzie, Maggie was smart enough to patent

(06:34):
this game. Uh. It became just kind of a trendy thing. Again,
like if you were uh into socialism at the time
and you were on the East Coast, you probably hung
out at a friend's house and and um played this
game at some point in some incarnation or another. Yeah,
it was really popular, like you said, like people made

(06:54):
up some of their own rules, but it was if
I mean, if you look at the original Landlords game board,
it looks a lot like the or Monopoly, I mean
similar at least. Yeah, and apparently a lot of the
the rules that make the game a lot more enjoyable
today came from uh Lizzie's quicker friends. Like, for example, um,

(07:14):
the original plots of land we're up for auction for
for bide. Quakers prefer silence, so they just put a
fixed price on the piece of land so there wouldn't
be a loud, obnoxious bidding war. Um. They also um
instituted tokens fun tokens before they were just boring ponds. Yeah,

(07:36):
like household objects, which you know, that's why the fimble
is in there, and originally the iron. We'll get to
those in a minute, but um, it's pretty exciting. Uh.
And then so this thing is being played and Lizzie
Maggie holds the patent, but she's not exactly like um
cracking down on any kind of infringement. Really. Well, she

(07:56):
pitched at the Parker Brothers and they said no, Yeah,
so she just kind of went on doing her own thing.
So there's another lady actually that figures into this um.
The lady named Ruth Hoskins, and she was one of
the ones who caught on in the like Philadelphia, Atlantic
City area with her Quaker friends, uh, two of them
in particular, Jessie and Eugene Rayford. Uh. And they are

(08:18):
the ones who changed some of the rules to make
it look more like the monopoly we know. They taught
it to a friend, uh named Todd, and Todd taught
it to his friend named Charles Darrow. And that's where
the story takes a kind of a ceed turn. Well
actually that's where the Parker Brothers official version begins. Ironically

(08:40):
turned CD Brothers is like, hey, this is where our
story begins. Yeah. The inventor of Monopoly, Charles Darrow A right,
so he was like a radiator salesman during the depression.
This is the thirties, right, Yeah, I mean it was
ironically again during the depression, this game really caught hold. Well,
I supposedly that's what caught the Parker brothers attention was

(09:01):
that this guy came to came to him, came to
them to sell him this game which he had stolen. Yeah.
Apparently he didn't innovate it at all. He kind of
just copied it and packaged it right, and said, hey,
what do you think of this? And the Parker Brothers said,
we don't think too much of it, Like how does
the game end? We don't know what's going on here,
so let's just, um, you just go your own way.

(09:23):
So Charles Darrow went off and started selling it at
this Wannamaker's department store in Philadelphia without pattenting it, right,
and um, the Parker Brothers said, you know what, it's
the depression, can you believe it. We're not going to
have any kind of economic woes like this for another
seventy eighty years. And this guy is selling these things

(09:47):
like hotcakes. You know what, sir, we will buy your
idea from you. And Charles Darrow apparently said, well, that's great.
Give me the money first and then I'll tell you
the second part of the story. And they gave him
a bag of money with a dollar sign on it,
much like the ones that um rich uncle Penny bags likes,

(10:09):
and he said, okay, um, we also need to buy
the patent off from this lady named Lizzie Maggie. Yeah,
which they did. Um, the game was still stolen, I say,
even though that they eventually did pay her money. But
part of the deal was they said, um, they they
agreed to buy her pattent and said, you know what
we're gonna we'll sell a few of your other game

(10:29):
ideas too. None of those ever went anywhere, and she
was sort of lost to history except for people who
do a little bit of digging. Yeah, and we actually
have a guy named Ralph to thank for doing that
digging initially. We'll talk about him later. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah,
because he's the one who came up with the unofficial
history and like really tracked it down. Boy, there's a

(10:49):
lot of teasers in this one so far so Um,
the Parker brothers now in the game, and uh, it
becomes a huge hit virtually off the bat. In the
thirties is when they bought it and started really printing it. Yeah,
and the game is based on Atlantic City. Uh, those
are the properties, and that's because that was the area
where it became popular. But um, this excellent New York

(11:12):
Times article you sent, uh, what's the name of it?
Monopoly Goes Corporate. Yeah, it was written by what's the
what's the lady's name, Mary Pillin. She is a monopoly expert.
There's a lot of those out there, I've learned. She well,
she wrote a lot of the articles you'll find. Oh really, yeah,
she's well. She pointed out that it's interesting that it
mirrored sort of the the cartography of the day in

(11:35):
Atlantic City, like Boardwalk was clearly like a rich area
the Baltic and Mediterranean. The cheapest properties were in African
American neighborhoods. There was a reading railroad that transferred people
between Philly and Atlantic City. And little known fact for
our friends in the gay community, New York Avenue was

(11:57):
one of the earliest gay scenes in the country. Yeah, oh,
buy that one up and support support the lb GT
community that you're playing monopoly. Yeah, that's what I would do.
And maybe just you know, don't charge anybody when they land,
just be like this is the party place exactly. And
Marvin Gardens apparently is misspelled yeah, E instead of an

(12:18):
eye or eye instead of an E. Yeah, on the
board it's an eye. It's supposed to be an E. Yeah.
There's a lot of Monopoly facts dropping all around us
right now. I know it's raining thimbles. Before we go
any further, though, you want to do a message break, Yes, okay,
we'll be right packed what you want, all right, So
we were just talking about Atlantic City. Um, I guess

(12:41):
it's we can go ahead and point out now that
there are hundreds of versions of Monopoly out there, now,
one for your hometown, probably one for your favorite sports team.
I have personally my version as a Star Wars Monopoly,
which is pretty fun. Um. Yeah, I guess hes pro
is like you've got some money, sure you can license this,

(13:03):
make your Monopoly game. Go ahead. There's a Simpsons Monopoly.
I haven't played it though, and not in addition to
the um licensed versions that you can find like everywhere
They also have like official versions to like there's a
U S version, there's a UK version, there's um a,
there's a new version that's called monopoly here and now

(13:25):
what does that even mean? Super corporate? Is this the
corporate one? Yeah? Okay, it's uh, it's like everything is
multiplied by I think a thousand, so the dollar amounts
are way higher. Is this one where they replaced the uh,
the railroads are replaced by airports? Is this one where

(13:45):
they replaced corporations for all the property? So? Yes, like McDonald's,
sony and god, who would want to play that? Some people? Do?
You know? Yeah? H um. I mean I'm not a
purist because I had the Star Wars version, but just
it's no fun to me to play as paramount pictures
and to buy the McDonald's property. Yeah, it's just me. Um.

(14:10):
So there are a bunch of different versions, but the
one we're going to talk about, we'll just talk about
the the normal version with the two thousand eight rules. Yeah,
and there's actually coming soon um later this year. There
you can go online at my Monopoly and you can
design your own board, is that right? And do like
your own neighborhood and then they will make it for you,

(14:31):
and I think it's like fifty bucks or something. Wow,
money bags, you can I'm not gonna do it. You
gonna do the East Lake. But I was. I was
talking to whoever went and got Yeah, rich uncle, rich
penny bags. That's what you should have said, rich uncle,
penny bag, penny bags. This sounds not not that wealthy. Well,
actually I have a bag of pennies on me right now.

(14:52):
He Forbes has their silly fictional fifteen list of fictional
characters wealth and he um in two thousand thirteen was
number is Uh stars declined to m huh, guess who
the first? The richest fictional character is the Incredible Hulk. No,
he was not rich Scrooge McDuck. Oh yeah, well dude,

(15:17):
he had that gold vault apparently sixty five billion. Uh.
Number two was smiling, which I thought it was kind
of silly smile from like the rings. It's the dragon.
I think I had like a bunch of gold. Uh.
Carlisle Cullen number three, Tony Stark four, Charles Foster Kane
number five? Who's number three? Carlisle Cullen from Twilight? Who's that?

(15:42):
He was the dad vampire Dad of the vampire family. Um,
and he's been alive forever, so I guess he just
keeps accumulating. Well, Bruce Wayne Ritchie Rich, Christian Gray Ritchie Rich.
I forgot about him. He's number seven. He had a
robot made and crazy like a weird scientists friend, didn't

(16:02):
he Sure like a Richie Rich robot of himself. I
think he had that too, But no, it's made. Was
a robot, wasn't it? That was the Jetsons. No, he
had a Uh. I thought Monty Burns at number ten
was pretty good. Oh yeah, that's good, although I would

(16:23):
guess Mr Monopoly would be wealthier than Monty Burns. But
and they put it out each year and it's duma.
Can we just admit that I was thrilled by it.
We just spent three minutes on it. Yeah, well that's true. Okay,
So Chuckers, you want to talk about the the rules
of the game again? Two rules if you are a

(16:43):
Monopoly purist and like, I'm sorry, this is what we're
going with. Yeah, well, let's talk about the game board itself,
just so if you haven't played it, I'm surprised because
I think like a billion people to play the game. Um,
but if you haven't, when you get your Monopoly game,
you're gonna open it up and you're gonna have a
board with all these different properties in a square. Uh,

(17:05):
you you have two dice twelve they call them tokens.
That's not the right amount either, is it. No, there's eight. Yeah.
I don't understand where they got twelve from unless they're
counting ones that maybe were retired or something like that.
But when you open the box, there's only eight. There,
there's a can we go over, there's a wheelbarrow, Scottie dog,

(17:28):
top hat, a cat which replaced the iron in two
thousand thirteen. There's a big, big to do because Parker
Brothers has Bro was like, we haven't made a lot
of money off of this for a couple of months,
so let's just do something. Well, they let people vote
at least, which is kind of cool, right, but it
was also did you see the other ones that they

(17:49):
were voting for. It's like a robot like Ritchie Rich's
main a guitar. They didn't make the cut though, No,
they got voted out and the cat got voted in. Yeah,
the iron got booted. Yeah, it only got eight percent
of the vote. There's the classic shoe of course or boot,
which is modeled after the nineteen thirties working shoe, and

(18:11):
I think they've kept it the same. Yeah, that's one
of the original ones. The Scottie Dog was not one
of the origins that came in the fifties. Yeah, and
I think that was supposed to be the companion of
uh millburn money Denny bags should be cash bags, fat

(18:31):
stacks stacks bag. There was a cannon which has since
been retired. Yeah, and two militaries, well, the cannon and
the battleship. Yeah. They were from a failed game called Conflict,
and they were like, well, we got all these pieces,
so let's just throw them in Monopoly for now. It's
pretty smart. But they faced the cannon out because it's

(18:51):
just too overtly violent. Um, it just says with any
without any fanfare or vote or campaign. So probably, yeah,
be my guess. If it's hush hush, yeah, it's probably
kind of violence. There's a conspiracy of foot. There's the
race car. Yeah, every little kid's favorite, which apparently had
a number three on the side for a little while. Yeah.

(19:11):
I didn't know that they were in hard I guess so,
uh or purse has been retired. The rocking horse was retired,
the lantern was retired. Yeah, I'm doing my best Ben
Bowl impressing. Did you do did you get wheelbarrow in
there yet? I think I know, yes I did. It

(19:32):
was the first one I said, Did you say top hat? Yeah?
That was always my favorite. Actually, I don't remember what
my favorite was. It fit on my pinking and I
used to draw faces. Uh the horse and rider, which
is retired, which I didn't know. That's one of the
best pieces to me. What you didn't know is retired.
Now I'm just kind of sad. Yeah, and now there

(19:53):
and that stack of money was retired as well, the
sack of money and a purse. Those are a little similar. Yeah.
The cat come on, yeah, cat people, that's exactly right.
I guarantee that's why they got cat voted in. And
I am a cat person, you know, and even you
think it's stupid. So those are the tokens. Some of

(20:16):
those tokens that we mentioned you're going to find in
the two thousand and eight set, and that is your piece.
That is what represents you in the game. Again for
the three people who have never played Monopoly, right, yeah,
because supposedly, um, at least as far as Hasbro calculates,
over one billion people have played Monopoly, and frankly, I'm
surprised it's that low. It sounds like an old number. Yeah. Um, okay,

(20:42):
So you've got the box open, you get the board,
you got two dice, you got the tokens, thirty two
houses in, twelve hotels, uh, sixteen chance cards, sixteen community
chest cards. Yeah, a title D card for each property.
It's got the information on it, like how much it
cost to purchase, how much rent is depending on how

(21:02):
many houses or hotels you have on it? Yeah, what
the mortgage value is worth, that's right. Um. And then
you've got your your play money, your monopoly money. Yeah. Man,
I think that's where it grabs kids because and they
even pointed out in this article that's. Um, it's kind
of the first time a lot of kids have money
to play with. Yeah, especially the Bill wants. Oh man,

(21:24):
that gold Bill always thought was orange? Is it gold? Uh? Yeah,
one's definitely golden rod like yellow. What I remember? Yeah,
I guess gold is the way to go. Uh. See,
I was a cash hoarder, which is no way to
win a monopoly I thought it was can't save. No,
I just just figures for me though, Like you gotta

(21:47):
spend money to make money. Yeah, I was like, look
at all this cash that I will soon be paying
to everyone else. You just keep wandering off from the
table and try to buy stuff with it did not work.
So Chuck, you got the board laid out, and if
you count them, if you're that kind of person, yeah,
you're gonna find that there's forty squares, that's right. I believe,

(22:07):
twenty two of which are um no, twenty eight of
which can be purchased. Yeah, twenty two or properties. You've
got your your electric company and water works. Yeah, sucker's bet.
And then you've got the four railroads. Four railroads, So
that's that's right. There are others that you can't buy. So,
for example, there's a luxury tax square. Yeah, you gotta

(22:30):
pay what a hundred dollars when you land on that,
I believe, so right out of just right out of
your pocket. If there's an income tax square, yeah, no good.
There's the go square, which is where you start and
then when you come back around you collect two hundred dollars,
which is in monopoly called your salary that's right. I
never knew that. I didn't either, And there's a lot

(22:50):
of rules in here. Uh. And then I guess it's
a good time to point out Monopoly is one of
those games where house rules are highly encouraged, uh and
a lot of the of the game, and in fact,
to make more money, Monopoly this year had are incorporating
the top house rules as voted on by fans as

(23:10):
official rules for this one version in a seventy dollar
hardback book. I don't see why a lot of people
were in since they were like no one placed by
the real rules anyway, So why bother packaging it and
selling it? And they went, I think you just said
the words sell someone's they sell. There in lies the answer.
So you've got, oh, there's and so there's forty squares,

(23:33):
but there's actually forty one places you can go to
on the board because jail is divided into two squares.
You got the jail with the jailbird. What's his name, Uh,
I can't remember, jailbird or something. Jake the jailbird, right, okay,
which is where Jake the jailbird is. And then you've
got the lower part of it. Um, it's just visiting. Yeah,

(23:56):
if you want to visit Jake, give him a bunt
cake with the nail filing would be very old school
or monopoly set with um maybe a map with an
escape route embedded in it. Hey, that sounds familiar. POWs
and World War Two were given such monopoly sets. True,
It's is strange to meybe, It's like where the Nazis
allowing monopoly sets to be delivered to POWs. Is that

(24:18):
what I'm seeing here? Maybe it's the Burmese. I mean,
you've seen the like the Great Escape on those those
the war prison camps in World War Two. It seemed
like a lot of them they let him like garden
and they were kind of chummy with him. He saw
Hoggan's heroes, saw Hogans heroes and put a lot of
stock into it. Yeah. But yeah, no, I just figured
to soccer. Maybe the Japanese or the Burmese or the

(24:41):
the Italians I could see like saying like, yeah, he
brings the monopoly and who cares. But the Nazis, I
would think, would I just don't see that. Yeah, I'm
not saying it was a walk in the park, but
I think from the depiction and uh, like like I said,
like the Great Escape. It's not like Vietnam Prison Camp.

(25:02):
Oh yeah, you know, like they weren't playing soccer or Monopoly.
They were playing Survive Another Day that game. Um, I'm
not making lie of that, by the way. Oh I
didn't think you were. And I'm basing everything on more movies,
so I'm probably wrong. And I've seen Uncommon Valor that
was a good movie that it doesn't age well though.

(25:25):
Really remember that menu with the gun silhouettes on it.
Oh yeah, and when you're twelves, you're like, oh my god. Yeah,
it's like I would buy that one in that one. Um.
All right, so where were we we were talking about? Um,
the board itself, yes, and the different squares. Yes, there
are the cards that you can draw as well, Community

(25:46):
chest and chance squares. You land on these you draw
a card from one of those two piles, and there
are various things in there, like you want to fashion
modeling contest you get ten dollars, and their dog show
one there too. I think there's probably a dog show
and there's also you know, you have street repairs or
um those are big time general repairs, and that's based

(26:09):
on your properties that you own. That's right. They can
they can can teach you pretty hard. Yeah, yeah, that's right,
you know. Um, and that's funny because the Monopoly what
was her name, Lizzie Maggie in an interview um, she
gave with some leftist magazine at the time. Um. She

(26:35):
said she basically called the thing the Game of Life. Yeah,
that was already taken out. I don't know, was it. Yeah,
that was that's around since the Like midd, I thought
she was being pressing it. Now she's being glib. She was.
She was making a pop culture reference for the time exactly.
But did you know apparently there used to be a

(26:56):
square on the Game of Life board for suicide. Really
it was the way that you could go. I never
really played that. I think I played it a couple
of times. I never did either. I always thought it
was kind of like you get the whole family in
the car and it's like whatever. Yeah, we we did, um.
I mean we weren't the biggest game players as families,
but we did Monopoly some in Yatzi was a big

(27:17):
one that I still enjoyed today. I love Yatsu. Yeah.
We also played this game called Bull and it was
like a stock trading game with cards. And it's just
now occurring to me that all these games are just
teaching you about life. Yeah, it's like real monopolies, nothing
but real estate. Uh, the game of life is everything.

(27:38):
This game Bowl was about the stock market. Sorry, it
was about um sarcastic. Sorry because you had to say
it like a jerk. Candy Land, we know what that's
all about. Yeah, drugs, right, probably Shoots and ladders tell
you to stay away from snakes. Yeah, operation tell you

(27:59):
how to be the door. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right.
I got my m D. And then of course, uh,
Battleship taught you how to be a warmonger, to risk,
can take great pride. Risk taught you to be the Antichrist. Yeah, risk,
we should do what. There is an article on risk
I saw. I looked it over. It didn't seem as
as interesting as this one. Yeah. I don't know if
the history is as interesting. And I mean, isn't that

(28:21):
what what's interesting about any game, the history of it? Yeah?
I think so. So. Um, let's talk about the rules, dude. Okay,
let's start at the beginning. We'll start it. Go go.
It is where you start, and that's where you like
you said, you collect the two hundred every time you
land on it or pass it. Sometimes house rules, uh

(28:42):
you get four hundred for actually landing on it and
only two hundred for passing it. We never good. But
free parking is where we had house rules. Um, that
is a space on the corner of the board where
you supposedly for the official rules, don't do anything. Yeah,
there's nothing. It's just a space. But what we did

(29:02):
was we donated all the collected taxes and fees and
put it under free parking. And if you land on that,
that was like a lottery win. Oh yeah, and a
lot of people play that way. I think I've heard
of that one before. I liked it because they allowed
you more money, which is my favorite thing. Catch it's
alto yeah exactly. Uh, we got ahead of ourselves. Let's

(29:22):
just start at the real beginning. So everybody sits down
at the table, maybe because somebody, yeah, somebody gets a drink.
Maybe you have to wait because somebody has to go
to the bathroom, So you're all sitting there quietly. And
then when everybody's finally at the table, you guys select
a banker, and the banker distributes the Monopoly money to
each player to five hundreds, to fifties, six twenties, and

(29:48):
five tens, five fives and five ones. That's hundred dollars.
And the goal of the game that we're getting to
here at thirty minutes in is to bankrupt all of
your family and friends. That's the whole point pretty much. Um.
Some people put a time limit because this game can
go on forever um, and other people say, no, it's
got a you gotta finish it by bankrupting everyone or

(30:10):
until the last person. That's like, I give jeez, I've
got eight dollars. I hate this game. Yeah. That's usually
me and Emily is usually has her foot on my throat.
Oh yeah, yeah, we played two person Monopoly, which is
just not fun. Yeah, because you know one of you
is gonna lose. No, that's not why. It's just it's
a game that's more fun with more people. I think, Yeah,
I got yeah. Um, so okay, so everybody's got fifteen bucks.

(30:33):
You roll the dice to see who goes first. Whoever
rules the highest goes first. Classic. Then you roll both
die and you start moving from the ghost square and
you go clockwise around the board. And when you land
on a property. This I didn't know, which is kind
of a basic rule, I guess, but I never played
it this way. When you land on a property, you

(30:54):
have the option to buy it. I knew that part.
But if you decline to buy it, then the then
the property goes up for ACKs. I've never not only
have I never played it the way, I've never heard
of anyone playing it. Okay, so it's not just me,
not just you, all right, So uh I guess. Uh,
the during an auction, not only the person, not only
everybody else, but the banker and the person who declined

(31:17):
to buy it can bid on it, which didn't make
sense unless you're trying to get for lower because can't
you start the bidding it wherever. Yes, you can start
the bidding anywhere you want, so you could consumably get
it for lower. And if you're playing against somebody who
declines to buy something and then starts bidding on a
lower price, keep an eye on that person that sharp

(31:38):
to win. Yeah. Uh yeah, I hate that rule because
to me, it's just like, what's the point and rolling
and landing on something? I guess right at first refusal,
But yeah, I don't know, I don't like it now.
And plus the Quakers were like, we specifically put a
price on these things so there wouldn't be a lot
of yelling. Yeah, we don't like yelling. Uh. They had

(31:58):
another game to follow called the quiet roof raising ceremony.
Those are not Quakers, that was the Amist. They're different.
Oh don't you think Quakers raise some roofs? Yeah, they ain't.
No party like a Quaker party. All right. So let's
say you buy all of the properties that you know

(32:19):
they're they're divided into different colors, Like there's three green
around you know, green ones, orange ones, blue ones, light blue. Um.
If you buy all of the properties that are tied
together by a single color, then you have what's called
a monopoly, and that means you can then charge double rent,
although we never do that. We just keep it single rent.
And you now have the option to buy houses. And

(32:41):
then once you have enough houses I think three, you
can then buy a hotel and let's call improvements. You're
improving your land. And once you start to do improvements, um,
things change a little bit. Not only can you start
making more money, but it's actually harder to mortgage your
properties if you are if you find yourself in debt, right,

(33:02):
because this is this is how crazy complicated it is.
Like I don't think I was ever paying that much
attention to monopoly that I ever mortgaged a piece of land.
I think it's like started to get into debt or whatever.
I was just like I'm done. Um, But apparently so
if you find yourself indebted, and let's say you have
a monopoly and um, you want to mortgage, you can

(33:25):
mortgage just one of the spots, right, But to do so,
let's say you have a hotel um on the that
piece of land that you're mortgaging, you first have to
sell the hotel back to the bank at half price,
and then you can mortgage the land. You're still I think,

(33:45):
are you collecting rent on that land? Or doesn't go
right to the bank. Now that's where um, you just
turn the card over and it's just you still technically
own it, but you can't collect any rents on it.
But you can't collect rent and everything on the other
two pieces of property or the other one, depending on
which one you own. I don't know, really you can't.
I looked it up. So that doesn't bust up the monopoly, No,

(34:06):
it doesn't Okay, so you still own the monopoly. It's
just that that one is mortgaged, and then to get
it back you have to pay the bank the mortgage
plus ten percent. Right. And this is where you can
get silly with your house rules if you want. Yeah,
you know, like as far as mortgaging and stuff like that,
because supposedly it's a rule to where you can't um.
The only thing that is not allowed as a personal loan.

(34:27):
And I did all kinds of personal loaning because I
was Mr Cash. What were your your interest rates? I
don't remember. Did you break any usury laws? No? That
was a kid, so it was it was probably just
like just pay me back whenever or something. I'm not
the right I'm not enough of a you're not the
start capitale. Now you're not the one who like declines

(34:49):
to buy something so you can bid on at a
lower price. I'm playing candy Land. I loved candy Land.
Actually I never played that. It was a great game,
was it because of the art? Crazy? It was beautiful
off and then nowa daisy look at the candy landpoint
and you're like, poor kids, Yeah, they don't know what
they're missing. I just got a Ticket to Ride game
that I haven't played yet. Have you heard of that one?

(35:09):
It was a German game that's like one game of
the year. It's a train train game, like you established
train routes between cities. Um, but it's supposedly like it
sounds like really that's fun, but it's supposedly great. I
just bled it t here. Did you at the thought
of it? Yeah, it does sound pretty bad, but no,
it's it's it's one game in the year. Why those

(35:31):
Germans and watch people Ticket to Ride enthusiasts will be like, dude,
it's the best ever I've heard. Like, German game night
is like a thing. Now, Yeah, I think they're a
little more heavy. Is that what it is? I think?
So this seems like I've read over the rules the
other night just so I would know what to do.
And because you've got to like the purchase over the
game has to be the game explainer as well. You

(35:54):
have to listen to craftword while you play. Yeah, well
you don't have to, but it helps house rules. Yeah,
so oh um, I guess we oh and we said
you you can do anything but give personal loans, right,
that's what the official rules state. So, like you can
I can buy from you on the side or something
like that, or you can hold something up for auction,
whatever anybody's doing. Yeah, and we always played where you

(36:17):
had to do that when it was your turn, and
that that would take your turn as well. Yeah. Um,
but again, the whole point is is to be the
person who owns the most stuff so that you can
bankrupt all of your family and friends. And I mean,
those are the rules, but there's actually strategy to it,
and people pay a lot of attention to this. You know,

(36:38):
there's a Monopoly World Championship ropeally every four years, although
it's been the last one in two thousand nine, so
we're due an American lawyer one, right, and no, I
think it was a Swede or maybe he was the
North American. That's what he was, the North American champion
and he represented the US and the world. Chan it shifts.

(37:00):
It sounds so silly. Yeah, well he uh he used
the iron. Yeah, I think the American used the thimble.
That's a that's the fact that people need. Well, we're
trying to really appeal to the purists here too, which

(37:22):
at everybody to be engaged. Okay, chucker, So again, the
point bankrupt. Everybody bankrupt. But there's like techniques that you
can use to more efficiently bankrupt people, like the the
overall the best strategy. The basic strategy is to buy
everything every chance you have. Yeah, I mean I've looked up.
There's a lot of different people's uh strategies and opinions online. Um.

(37:46):
I did find this one from a guy and that
was his strategy is by everything, it doesn't matter what
it is, even the suckers bet the electric company and
the water works, Yeah, which I don't pay off. Really,
he said, buy it all and and never have more
than a hundred dollars in cash is his rule. He
says the number one people must mistake people make is

(38:07):
hoarding cash like I did. Yeah, you're making the number
one mistake, that's right. Uh. And he says that, um,
buy everything and do whatever it takes to get a monopoly,
even a bad one, like he will trade to get
a bad monopoly and give someone a good monopoly, even
as long as he gets the monopoly. And he says
it's fine because then you know, you two will probably

(38:27):
take out everyone else. Uh. The point is just to
get a monopoly and improve it as fast as you
can so supposedly though, Um, a general rule of film
among like hardcore monopoly players is that while you're improving
your monopoly your properties by adding houses or whatever, you
want to stop at three houses because the jump from
the third house to the hotel is financially it doesn't

(38:51):
pay off. Usually it's over improvement. Yeah, just like in
your home, like, don't build that eighty thousand dollar kitchen
because you're not gonna get your money back on that, right,
So three three houses. This guy doesn't subscribe to that.
He buys everything and puts hotels on it. Yeah, he says,
as first as he get as soon as he gets
his first monopoly, he mortgages everything else to get cash

(39:13):
back and then uses that cash to improve, which I
thought was a little risky. Yeah, a couple of bad roles.
I mean, it's a game of strategy, but the end
of the day, you're rolling dice, and so it is
very much a game of chance. I'll bet that guy
feels like he's on the back of a pegasus though
the whole game, Like he's just thrilled. He claims. He

(39:36):
claims to have won a game in twelve minutes one time,
which I thought was shooting his own horn a bit.
Yeah sure, Um, but real regular strategy. You're right, they
say three houses is the max you should go. Um,
and then there's also some that you should avoid. Even
though this seemed like very tempting, we already said the
electric company and the water company, the utilities. The the

(39:58):
most you can get for rent from landing on it
was ten times a roll of the dice, which is
a hundred and twenty bucks. It could be as low
as twenty dollars. So I mean, this guy would probably say, well, hey,
it was worth it, Like I still own them and
I'm still making money if somebody lands on them. But

(40:18):
a lot of Again, the monopoly pierists say just stay
away from him. And you also may want to stay
away from the most expensive ones boardwalk in park Place.
Yeah they're they're only two of them, and um, they
just don't get landed on very much. Yeah, so think
about it right out of the gate when you're thinking
of probabilities. Um, the fact that there's two of these

(40:40):
properties rather than three means that you are that another
player is less likely to land on your monopoly because
there's three or two instead of three. So that's one problem.
The other problem is placement where they are. They're right
after um go right for right before. Yeah, so it's

(41:01):
at the end of the board essentially. No, I'm sorry,
they're right before jail. No, they're right before, they're right
before go. Okay. So that means that most most players
are going to well, they're going to pass them for
sure whenever they hit that um go directly to go
exactly yeah. Um. So that means that your your monopoly
is going to be passed over. The likelihood of making

(41:22):
your money back recouping it, especially if they're improved to
the hilt, like a really fancy hotel, means that a
lot of money. Yeah, you you've probably sunk a lot
of money unwisely into those You want to go for
some other ones, Yeah, supposedly, and there are people that
have done Uh. There was this one guy. If you
really want to get into monopoly, this dude, I don't

(41:44):
even know his name, but just look up probabilities in
the game of Monopoly and Scientific American in the mid
nineties at the article that talked about probabilities of landing
on different spaces, but they excluded um community chest and
chance and being sent to jail. So this guy said,
I took all of that and included everything, and he
has a statistical charts long term probabilities for ending up

(42:08):
on each square, expected income per opponent role, average income
per role, expected number of opponent role, to recoup incremental
costs UH, to recoup mortgages. So it's the name of
his website. By the way, his monopoly was fun dot com.
It totally should be um, but um. If you just

(42:30):
want to do some basic probabilities, the orange properties are
landed on more than anyone else. Yes, and why chuck
because they are after jail. Yeah, six eight and nine
spaces after jail. Yeah. So if you get sent to jail,
which is going to happen at some point and we
actually we didn't talk about jail, we'll talk about that,

(42:51):
then you, uh, yeah, chances are you're gonna hit one
of those orange squares on your way out of jail. Yeah,
because you're rolling with two dice, so you're much more
likely to roll like a six, s eight or a
nine then you are like a two or three or
a one. Yeah. It's not even possible to roll at one.
Try it. You can't. You can't unless you eat one
of the dice, and in which case, unless it's a
house rule, everybody's gonna yell at you and have to

(43:14):
wait around until you poop it out to keep playing. Actually,
our rule was you had to roll the child in
what the child you ate the dice? Oh yeah, all right,
So jail um is in the corner of the board,
and you can there are a few different ways you
can go there. You can draw a go to jail card.

(43:34):
You can throw three doubles in a row and go
to jail. Yeah, which I never understood because that's a
good thing, I guess, but it's also the sign of
the devil. So that's why you have to go to
jail for a little while to be cleansed. Or there
is a square march to go to jail, and you
can land on that and go to jail. You can
also get out in three ways. You can have that
get out of Jail free card. If you draw that,

(43:55):
you can hold onto it. We could sell it, although
I think that's a house rule. You can sell it
to a friend or enemy, uh, whoever, whoever had the
most cast right exactly. Uh. And then you basically the
other ways to roll to either pay your way out
for with fifty bucks or to roll your way out.
The way we played it was each turn you had

(44:17):
one chance to roll your way out of jail. So
you rolling doubles right, um, and then if you under
official rules, if you don't roll doubles for three consecutive turns,
like you get three consecutive chances to roll doubles, and
if you don't on any of those turns, then you
have to pay fifty bucks to get out of jail.
We just played where you just got out and you

(44:39):
didn't have to pay. Well, then you guys weren't following
the rules. I told you the house rules us. So
there's actually a strategy to jail. Um, if you go
to jail early on in the game, you want to
pay your fifty bucks to get out immediately, just pay
the fifty bucks because then you can keep going around
the board and there's more stuff lable to buy. But

(45:02):
later in the game you want to just kind of
hang out in jail. Yeah, Like Josh has bought all
the orange spaces and you've got hotels on each one,
so I'm thinking that might be good to sit in
jail for a few rounds. Yeah, because you can still
collect rent on your properties, but the fact that you're
in jail keeps you off of my properties. Yeah, and

(45:22):
all another Bryant rule we played where when you were
in jail you could not collect any rents. Yeah, I
mean that makes sense, but according to official rules, you
just make as much money as you want there, and
apparently in jail you can officially you can also buy
and sell properties and improve your in collect rent, and
build hotels and houses, which I thought, I don't know,
if you're in jail, kind of lose that right. It

(45:44):
seems like in real jail that's the way it is. No,
it's not. You can own a house and be in jail.
I guess that's true, and technically you could probably charge
rent to someone. You could sub let it, like I'm
gonna be gone for three to six. No, it's true.
But what happens when dis roster breaks trying to get
let out of jail to go fix it. They're not
gonna let you do that. It's very funny, but it's

(46:06):
true too. Uh. Probability experts also say you get a
good return on buying all the railroads because they're pretty cheap.
There's one on each side, and once you have each
once you own all of them. Um, they're two hundred
dollars in rent, so that's not too bad, not too shabby,

(46:26):
but to me, and monopoly is the reason monopolies are valuable.
But it is because they're in a row, whereas the
railroads are spaced out. And our friend, the strategist who
thinks he uh invented the game says, but what you
have to remember is none of these strategies matter because
you're playing. It's a game of people and personalities. So

(46:48):
he said, you gotta sit back and watch the different
personalities emerge and then you manipulate that like the cash
hoarder versus the shark. And uh, he's like, you really
playing against people. Man, that's interesting, I thought. So okay,
so let's talk about another friend, an economist friend. His

(47:11):
name is Ralph Ant Spock. Yes, and he back in
the seventies had a game called anti Monopoly. Yeah. He
was an econ professor at San Francisco States and um,
like made his own real game. Like he didn't just
like draw it up on paper, like, he started a

(47:31):
little small business and manufactured it. Apparently sold about two
thousand copies of it, like, right, out of the gate,
like it just hit a nerve. Again. It's called anti monopoly,
and the whole point of it was to break up
monopolies rather than build monopolies. Yeah. At the beginning of
the game is essentially the end of a regular game,
like everyone starts off with monopolies. Uh. And instead of

(47:54):
real estate and utilities, um and anti monopoly, they had
their individual busins. This is that had been brought under
a single ownership, and you take the role of federal
caseworker and bring indictments against monopolized businesses. In order to
turn return the board to a free market system. You
have to wear sensible shoes. It sounds awesome. Yeah. Well,

(48:16):
and he came up with this because he was trying
to apparently explain to his son what was wrong and
bad about monopolies and I suspect capitalism to a certain extent,
and he came up with this game instead, Like I said,
sold a substantial amount two copies of the game, especially
back in the seventies, that was pretty good as a startup. Yeah,

(48:39):
you know, and it caught Parker brothers attention enough that
they sent him a cease and desist letter, took him
to court, got a court order for him to hand
over his like thirty seven thousand copies that he had
in his warehouse, and um they Parker Brothers went and
unceremoniously buried him in a landfill in Minnesota. So, UM,

(49:01):
Ralph didn't cott into this very much. He didn't like that.
He doesn't like to be pushed around. I get the impression. No,
I mean, a guy who makes anti monopoly is not
gonna cave in the courts initially, and he did so,
like very much, at his own financial detriment. He had
a very expensive team of lawyers at first, UM and

(49:22):
spent quite a bit of money fighting Parker Brothers for
the right to use anti Monopoly, and UM what, it
wasn't really going anywhere and he was losing a lot
of money. So he started to do legwork himself, found
a lawyer friend UM who worked on the cheap for him,

(49:42):
and that's when things started taking off. Yeah, I mean,
he basically uncovered the lie that it was invented by
Charles Darrow. He found out that the game was essentially
in the public domain, or should have been, and UM
went all the way to the Supreme Court. One. Yeah,
he won at the Supreme Court, this acount professor came

(50:04):
up with a game called Anti Monopoly. One in the
Supreme Court won the right to name his game anti Monopoly. Yeah,
I mean he he deposed the the two Quakers that
were friends of Hoskins. They were old at that point.
They took the stand. Um. He deposed the CEO of
Parker Brothers, and he took the stand and it had

(50:25):
to admit under oath like, yeah, we did kind of
steal it nice the idea from that lady Um after all.
And so, as Ralph says, the the whole point to
him was for this true story, the true origins of
monopoly and how it came about, the whole point of
it originally could still be told openly that what he said,

(50:47):
um couldn't be bought at any price in his opinion,
that's right, So way to go, Ralph. Yeah, he wrote
a book, uh awkwardly titled the Billion Dollar Monopoly in
swindle Colin during David and Goliath battle. Anti Monopoly uncovers
the secret history of Monopoly. That's a little clunky, little clunky,
but it's still around. Um In. There was a new

(51:12):
version called Anti Monopoly too, where you could actually be
a monopolist or a competitor. So you got to choose,
which I thought was interesting. And Uh, if you chose
the competitor, you charge lower rents and you can improve
property at anytime. But if you're a monopolist, you have
to own at least two properties before in a group,

(51:33):
before building houses, in charge a lot higher rents. So
I think you're like playing against the two systems within
the same game. That's really interesting. Yeah, I'm gonna I
might grab one of these and see what it's like.
Maybe tell everybody's German. Uh, you got anything else? I
got nothing else. I do the longest Monopoly game of
all time seventy days. I played a game of risk

(51:56):
that seemed like it lasted that long once. It may have.
It didn't last long, but lasted a weekend. Okay, um,
and Monopoly. I don't have the patience for that. I'll
just give up. I'll take my cafit cash and go
home your horde of it. Yeah, you're like, oh, that's
saved all this money. That's right, and I own the utilities. Uh.

(52:20):
If you want to learn more about Monopoly, including how
to play, if you don't like house rules, but you
also don't feel like looking at the official rule book,
you can just go on the how Stuff works and
check out the rules that is in this article to
site monopoly in the search bar at house to works
dot com. And since as I searched bar, it's time
for chuck Facebook questions. Uh so, people, this is what

(52:48):
we do sometimes when we don't have a listener mail prepared,
we will go on Facebook asked for questions, and then
over the course of a couple of episodes, we will
read those out in rapid fire like fashion. We don't
do anything in rapid fire fast. I couldn't even explain
rapid fire fashion and rapid fire. All right, So I'm
gonna start this off with Louise Benjamin says, with as

(53:09):
many shows as he recorded, how many would you like
to go back and redo? Um, just a small handful.
I would say that. I was literally kind of like,
I'm really disappointed with that. Yeah, you're a little harder
honest than I am. Though. What's weird is like any
time I do say like that was terrible, You're like, yeah,
it wasn't bad, and I'll go back and listen to
I'll be like it was way better than I thought.

(53:30):
That's what Jerry says when you leave the room. She says,
they're always better than anything's. Oh really, I didn't realize
Jerry talked about me when I wasn't here or spoke
at all when I was in she was not allowed. Alright,
you got one, I do. Um. Let's see, do either
of us have a preference as to what type of
vacuum cleaner you use? That's from Taylor Jean Warner with

(53:51):
the most pedestrian question anyone's ever asked. Uh not if
you were into vacuuming, My friend, very important. I love vacuuming.
I have an electro luck canister vacuum. Oh really, I
call it LuxI and Emily is not allowed to operate it. Yeah.
Uh you mean. And I have a Dyson one of
the little, not the big one. Yeah, one of the

(54:11):
smaller ones. Yeah, with the yellow ball. Uh just a
regular upright back. Yeah yeah. I got on the canister
thing years ago. I love him. I don't know why
this thing took Like you know, they they're like, you
never loses suction, it's very powerful or whatever. I accidentally
rolled over the cord to charge my phone. It sucked
the rubber off of the cord. Yeah, I had to

(54:34):
put electrical TakeBack on. It does suck. All right, that's
some buzz marketing. Joseph Campbell, what is your advice on
how to have a successful marriage? Joseph Campbell asked us
a question. Yeah, wow, you should know this question. Her answer, Uh, Mary, Mary,
your friend. It's my biggest piece of advice. That's a
good one because if you don't like your spouse, then

(54:55):
you can't love your spouse. Yeah. Mary, the person you
want hang out with the most, you should write a
self help book. The end, I have another one for you,
Chuck read. Yes. Bethany Jackson asks are you ever going
to get another pet Goat? No out, Well, never say never. Yeah,

(55:16):
one day I will when I retire, Like to the country,
I would love another goat? Is they're the best? That
answers that. Josh kry Obermac says, what is your favorite
Simpsons episode? Oh, that's a tough one, but I'm gonna
have to go with the old standby of Mr Sparkle.
I'm gonna go with Montaeel's or any of the Halloween

(55:39):
like one through ten or so those are just great.
Um Robert Browning Justice League or Avengers. I don't know
what that means. Really, Yeah, you do. As a kid,
I was Justice League. I was way more into that.
But here's an adult like that Avengers movie is great.

(55:59):
I'm into that. Justice League is DC. Yeah, Superman definitely, Batman. Yeah,
although I like the the super Friends. That was all
Justice League, wasn't it. Uh? Yeah, okay, well I have
a coherent answer, then okay for live action animation, not

(56:19):
live action, but for animation, I prefer Justice League. For
comic books, I preferred um Avengers Marvel. Well in the
new movie. Uh, they're doing the Superman Batman movie and
then a full on Justice League movie is just leading
up to that. So we'll see jury's out. Yeah on
motion pictures, but yeah, it's gonna be hard. Took the

(56:42):
Avengers maybe not was not motion pictures cartoon only, no, no, no,
I'm talking about the new movies that are coming out soon.
Billy Schultz says, were they're rejected titles for the podcast?
Before you landed on stuff you should know? Since you
named it, I think you should answer. I came up
with a bunch of um ideas. One of them was
McNeil Lair News Hour, but that was already taken, but

(57:07):
Stephie shows in the original list of ideas, what Terminator two?
Judgment day? All right, get your next? Do you want
me go next? Yeah? Um, let's see. Oh this is
a good one. Christopher mark Ree says, which of the
two are your favorite person for promoting science? Bill Nye

(57:29):
or Neil Degrath Tyson? Good one, man, They're both so great,
I say, and d T Yeah yeah, Cosmos is awesome.
It is awesome. He also, um is totally comfortable like
rocking a shirt un buttoned at the top. Two Like

(57:49):
he's he's like the Billy d Williamson. Yeah, uh yeah.
And he was on her TV shows, which is really nice.
You kind of have to go with him, all right. Um,
he's a good guy. Naomi Hartman garum. Oh. This is
fromer Son Jackson age nine. What was your favorite book
when you were kids? My favorite book when I was

(58:10):
a kid was like around your age or younger, was
The Great Christmas Kidnapping Caper. It's about a bunch of
mice in New York that moved into Macy's during Christmas
time and uh, Santa is kidnapped and they sold the cakes. Wow.
It was a great great book. What was they called
The Great Christmas Kidnapping Caper? And it wasn't like a

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little kid's book. I mean, that was my first novel.
It was long, long form. That was your favorite book
when you're a kid. Yep. My favorite book when I
was a little kid was a Christmas book. I think
it was a golden book called something like a Visit
to Santa's Workshop or something. Yeah, it was so cute.
And then, uh, strangely, the first series of novels that

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I ever loved were Ramona Quimby books. Oh really, man,
I used to eat those up and I would take
flak too at school. I didn't I love those books? Yeah?
I loved Encyclopedia Brown. Oh yeah, he was good. And
then you know, when I was younger, younger, you can't
do better than Dr Susan Chel Silverstein, stuff like that.
The classes. Um, I've got one, all right, go ahead,

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h if this is from Alejandro Sandy. So you could
live in any era of history, which time would you
live in? Why? That's always so hard. I'm going back
to what I said before me you me Cuba nineteen twenties. Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna say New York and like, I
don't know, maybe the nineteen thirties that'd be pretty fun.

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That's a drinking and dancing. Yeah, well that's the Cuba
in the twenties. Yeah, exactly, you just had the Latin flavor. Uh,
Kevin Kinzie, which pickled thing? Do you prefer most eggs, cucumbers, peppers,
or cauliflower or anything else? I don't need pickled things,
So that's you. I love pickled everything. It's so good
for you too. Oh really? Oh yeah, it helps you

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digest bats a lot are easily. Um. It's just really healthy,
like eating pickled stuff. You don't like pickles, don't? Um?
I have one more ala Aslin Bridel boy. There's some
weird names on Facebook. How do I make a ten
year old more responsible? You're getting all the heavy questions

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like secret to successful Marrits, How do you make your
kid good? I think you know you gotta get put
them to work, make them make or get them a pet.
You make them responsible for something and that they're interested in.
It would be my advice. I agree with both of
your pieces of advice. Marry the person that you want

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to spend time with you and did your kid at Hamster. Yes,
put them to work. Charge money. You got any more? Yeah?
I got too many more? Pick one? Okay are you ready? Yes?
The one that I pick is as follows uh from

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Mike Reels, Arnie or Stallone. It depends on the year.
I'm gonna have to say I would go Schwarzenegger. Yeah,
eighties Schwarzenegger nowadays who cares no. But if we're like
taking the time work back to the eighties, I was

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Conan the Barbarian, the original Terminator, all deal, total recall. Yeah,
that's all pretty great. Um. I'm a huge first Blood
fan and Rocky fan. Yeah, this was tough not to
go with Stallone, although he made some really bad movies,
um like Tango Assassin, Tango in Cash and uh the

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Dolly Parton one about when he's a country singer. Oh,
Ryan Stone, Ryan Stone, Um, Cobra Like wait, wait, wait,
those are awful movies. What what you didn't like Cobra?
How did you? Yes? Huh? Not for me? It must
have been the age difference. Yeah, so I'm gonna go
Arnie too. Okay, how about that? There you go. Uh.

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