How Yo-Yos Work

You may have played with a yo-yo before -- perhaps you've even walked the dog -- but do you know about the physics behind what makes a yo-yo sleep and wake up? Learn all about inertia, angular momentum and the history of the yo-yo in this episode of SYSK.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.
It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know
from House stof works dot com. Hey, and welcome to
the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. This is Charles W. Chuck Bryant.

(00:21):
That's me, same as ever, scratching the old back. Yeah,
I just got a little itch there. You ever use
one of those little dealies, the little creepy hand, the
little monkey powk on the end of the stick I
have before, Um, I don't like to do that. It hurts. Yeah,
I guess you could call it. It's a painful sensation.
I get up against the wall sometimes and do the

(00:43):
blue the bear. That'll do sometimes too, But it's weird,
like I only have backaches in about the same place,
and that would be on my left shoulder blade on
the western side of it, depending on which direction I'm facing. Curiously,
this is going to be the most interesting this show.
That is not a treat Chuck Man, So, Chuck, this

(01:04):
is going to be a great one. I have a
feeling that's gonna be one of those ones where it's like, wow,
that turned out to be really good. It's physics heavy,
out the Yeah, everyone loves that. But the fact is,
when we finished this, you're gonna know how yo yo works.
This is probably the most truly titled, truest titled episode
well we've ever done. Do you think yep? I don't know.

(01:27):
All right, well we'll find out. I think it should
be called physics through the eye of a yo yo.
So listen, have you ever seen the movie Harlem Nights?
Uh parts dude? That is go back and watch it again.
Oh you're crazy. It's one of the best movies ever.
Eddie Murphy, Red Fox, Richard Pryor, and like everybody else

(01:49):
in it too. I think Bernie Max in there terrible script.
I don't think the script is terro. I thought it
was great. Um. There's one thing about that movie that
bugged me to know it. It's setting like the twenties, right,
and throughout the movie Eddie Murphy uses the word yo
yo was obviously a modern term, and it just sticks
out like a sore thumb every time he does. It

(02:10):
drives me crazy, Like it drives me crazy that he
did it drives me crazy that the director wasn't like,
you can't say yo. This is like nineteen twenties New York.
Yo wasn't around. I don't know that they were going
for a historical accuracy in that one. They were wearing spats,
so um Jerry like that one. So I went back
to the little digging Chuck and it turns out that
yo was in fact around in the nineteen twenties. But

(02:33):
Eddie Murphy was still wrong for using it in that capacity. Okay,
so um yo goes back at least to like the
fifteenth century, as like a hunting cry, right when somebody
was like somebody else might go yo and you go
chase fox. Um. That was kind of the first wave
of yo um. As far back as eighteen fifty nine.

(02:57):
We know that there were sailors that were using yet
yo ho Yo ho ho or also um. It was
a response for roll call like yo, like somebody called
your name, you would say yo. It wasn't until after
World War two, though, that the modern incarnation comes and
it came out of the Italian quarters of Philadelphia. So

(03:22):
that's where they think yo came from after World War two.
Hence Eddie Murphy was wrong in using yo, especially frequently
in the movie Harlem Nights. So I did all that research,
or I could have just looked into Google Translate from
English too, uh Filipino or vice versa, and find that

(03:45):
it just means come. Yeah, but I don't think that's
what it means here, does it? It does now, So
the word yo yo as it stands, it means come,
come or come back. Yeah, that makes sense. Did you
know that? I did? You want to talk a little
bit about the history of yo yos? Did you know
before reading this fantastic article that yo yo's originated as

(04:08):
we understand them now, originated in the Philippines in the
nineteen twenties. I didn't know that. I did know that
it was around for a long time before that though,
And you know other forms, well, pretty much the same form.
They were like two forms of yo yo's in history,
and one came out of the new one came out
of the Philippines. The other one that's pretty old, well

(04:29):
ancient Chinese or at least ancient Greeks years ago. But
they think the Chinese had something similar to that. Yeah,
I'm starting to strongly suspect that the Chinese or the
origin of human civilization. Yeah, they came up with beer. Well,
they came up with beer, you have it. They went
right there. Uh, and it is the oldest toy on

(04:52):
the planet except the doll. The dolly. I thought that
was pretty interesting too, Yeah, yeah, of course, although I
wonder if they're kind of diminishing any kind of ancient
rituals or rights by saying like, look at that's cute doll,
when really it's you know, some sort of fetish m hmm.
I don't know. You never know. So it's been around
long time. They've designed it in different ways over the years. Uh.

(05:14):
The original design was had the string tied tight to
the little access there. We'll call it the Greek design,
the Greek design. Now we'll call it the Chinese design
or the European design. Well, not designed, but it was
popular in Europe. And that obviously if if you ever
used an old yo yo like that or redesign yours

(05:35):
to where it's tied around the axle, it'll pop up,
you know, as soon as you throw it down, it'll
pop back up because it's tied to the axle. Um,
And you said it was popular in Europe. There were
other words for other names for the yo yo before
it was a yo yo, that's right. There was the lemigret,
the Bendalora. The Bendalora was British, I believe the quiz. Yeah,

(05:59):
I didn't. I didn't get a country of origin for that,
but it was very popular in Europe. There's a painting
of I think Louis is he the boy King? I
don't know whichever Louis was the boy king of him
holding like a yoyo, like a royal painting of him
with a yoyo or the what was a little hoop
on and a stick? I think that's what it's called.
That was an awesome game hoop on a stick? Who uh?

(06:21):
And then um, I don't think you can compare the
yo yo to the hoop on a stick. No, I'm
not comparing. I'm just saying I just never got that
to Oh okay, well here's another one for you. Napoleon
was well known for carrying and using a yo yo,
apparently for stress relief. Oh yeah, it didn't work too well.
Here's a stressed out dude. He needed the yo yo.

(06:44):
But as as you said that, that's the the European
favored or Chinese design, where like the strings tied really
tight to the axel and it just basically goes up
and down right. So the Filipino design led to the
modern yo yo as we understand it now, and the
huge distinction is that the the string is just looped

(07:04):
around the axle kind of loosely, which has the added
benefit of allowing the yo yo itself to spin once
it reaches the end of the string. Sleep. That's what
the that's why people yo yo I think. Yeah, it's
all about the tricks. I mean, it's sort of fun
for a minute just to go up and down, but
it's really all about the tricks. It's just a stress

(07:25):
reliever if it just goes up and down. Did you
yo yo when you were a kid? Uh? Yeah, here there.
But even as a kid like I could sense that,
like these these new modern ones that we'll talk about
with like ball bearings and clutches, they just seem like cheating.
I agree, let's not even talk about them. It's not
even a real yo yo. So, Chuck, you want to
talk about a little bit about physics, Well, let's finish

(07:46):
the history for shall we. Okay, Well, I have plenty
of that. Uh. It was originally in the Philippines. They
think it was a hunting weapon for like four years, so,
but not like a little tiny yo yo. They were
really big and it was basically a big spindle attached
to a rope with like spikes coming off of it.
They were like the size of a ugo. Yeah, and
I guess the just the benefit there is you could

(08:09):
get it back after you threw it at somebody. Right.
The stream was almost just useless though, Well you can
just throw it and run after it. Oh really okay,
it was actually heavy rope in the US for hunting too, right. Well,
at some point down the line, well, yeah, you would
think anything used in hunting, you know, does double duty
and more exactly anything you're trying to kill. Yeah. Um.

(08:34):
The At some point though, they became smaller and became
toys and uh. In the twenties, a Filipino immigrant to
the US named Pedro Floris Um started a company, the
first modern yoyo company in the United States, and did
pretty well for himself, uh, and then sold out to
a man named Duncan. Right, Donald Duncan, Yes, Donald Ducan

(08:58):
and Duncan Duncan and uh, you know Florest's and Santa
Barbara and like you said, was selling these things like
hotcakes enough that Duncan said, hey, let me buy that
I'm gonna keep the name yo yo because it's catchy.
I'm gonna trade market and now I own it. And uh.
Through the years he had competitors that made similar devices

(09:19):
with different names, and they were like, dude, everyone's calling
the sing of yo yo. We want to be able
to call it a yo yo two. And he said, no, no,
I own it. Then the federal courts in the nineteen
six five says, you know what, that's generic enough now
where you don't own it any longer. They're all yo yo's.
Well what these legal challenges to their trademark? The name

(09:39):
yo yo um was one of the things that bled
the company dry. It eventually went bankrupt. Duncan, the Duncan
Company went bankrupt in the same year they ruled yeah
against them. They were like, well, that's it for us,
But they also had other money troubles. They were they
were actually victims of their own success, the Duncan Company was.
So they moved in the forties to luck wiscon In,

(10:00):
which very quickly became known as the yo yo capital
of the world, and at their peak they were making
thirty six d yoyos an hour, mostly out of would
At first maple They're using a million board feet of
maple wood every year. Yeah. And they actually, in addition
to their legal challenges, like the money going to fight

(10:20):
their legal battles, um, they were paying tons of money
in overtime to advertising. Um. And as a matter of fact,
I think in nineteen sixty two, Chuck, they managed to
sell forty five million yo yos and in that same
year there were only forty million kids in the US.
That's pretty astounding. A chicken in every pot and a

(10:43):
yo yo and every exact other hand at sure, un,
I guess some kids were yo yo with both hands.
They're rich kids. Um. But like I said, they they
the company ended up going bankrupt anyway, but yo yo
enthusiasts still look very fondly on the Duncan name. And um,
I think June sixth, Yes, June sixth is National Yoyo Day,

(11:06):
which happens to be the same day as Donald Duncan's birthday. Yeah. Well,
and the Duncan name lives on. Obviously, you still see
Duncan yoyo's. They sold out, They didn't just shut down, well,
they went bankrupts and sold all right. Yeah, so who
was the flam flam Bail plastics company. They said, we'll

(11:26):
keep the name Duncan because it's synonymous with yoyos. It's
not generic yet. There's a little yoyo history for you.
I got a little more. I'm going to stay to
the end. I think you'll like. Okay, we didn't tease
you with it that. Let's talk about physics. Well, I
think this is very interesting. Good. So there's a two Okay.

(11:49):
You mentioned with the string tied to the classic Chinese
design yoyo, you have one kind of um energy going on, right, yes,
and that is linear momentum, the ability of it to
go up and down or I should say down and up. Right,
that's right with the Filipino design, the modern design and

(12:10):
has two kinds of potential energy. It has that same
linear momentum to go up and down, but it also
has angular momentum. And angular momentum is um its ability
to spin on an axle. Okay, so you've got two
things going on. And like you said, when the yo
yo hits the end of the line of its linear momentum,
it can still it's built up since it's wound around

(12:31):
the school. It's built up a lot of angular momentum,
so we can just sit there and spin or sleep
as you called it. It actually increases as it goes down,
which is the key to keeping it spinning right. It
gets faster as it falls. There's another pretty cool trait
to yoyo. Who knew they were so complex? I didn't?
Did you? I did not? Okay? So um. They also

(12:53):
have gyroscopic stability, chuck, they do, okay. So if you
if you have a yoyo that's sleeping and you witch
down on top of it, like it goes down and
then back up, that's because of its gyroscopic stability. That
point that you push down on the yo yo is
transferred from the front and spun around to the back.
So that's even now, So the yo yo just keep

(13:15):
spinning as long as it's spinning fast enough. Gyroscopic stability, yes,
that means a spinning object object will resist change to
its axis of rotation. And have you ever thrown a
football it's the same thing. Yeah, Or if you've ever
thrown a football poorly, what do they call that? Wibbler turkey,
wounded duck brick. That's why wounded duck doesn't go very

(13:37):
far because it doesn't have that tight spin, so it
falls off its axis and won't travel as far, the
same as a prison And then the whole team's man. Basically,
anything that spins frisbees, footballs, there's there's gotta be a baseball.
We could liken it to a baseball somehow. Let's say
a curveball, knuckleball slider. Definitely not a knuckleball slider than spin.

(13:58):
It all really like a shot put. No, the knuckleball.
You the whole key is it doesn't move. It travels
like this, and that's why it moves all around crazy. Um.
So you've got your you've got your yoyo sleeping. You're
you're totally aware of its gyroscopic stability um and you

(14:20):
understand that it's angular momentum is just awesome. It's far
out right, it's far out but you want to wake
it up. And that's when you bring it out of
its sleep and rewind it back up the spool. Right,
we'll tug on the old finger. Yeah, And the reason
why it's because the loop, right, there's less friction with
the loop around the axle. When you tug it, you

(14:42):
increase that friction and you allow it to rewind. It
just grabs ahold of its buddy and just let's go
back up to the palm. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah.
I like yoyo physics a lot. So we basically just
talked about the two hardest parts, right, sleeping and waking. Yeah,
And like I said, sleeping is the key to do

(15:03):
any kind of trick like walking the dog, which I
was pretty good. I used to. Could do a few
Yeo tricks. Yeah, I could walk the dog, and I
could do uh, I could do the deal where you
you make a triangle and then TikTok through the triangle
something like a cradle or probably the cats and the cradle,
let's call a cat's cradle, and then I could I

(15:23):
could do the around the world. Wow, around the world. Yeah,
I couldn't do any of those. I'm gonna this inspired
me to get a new yo yo. By the way,
I like the vintage Duncan ones, specifically the yellow ones
with the butterfly, like the gold the gold butterfly, the
inverted ones, because they had those that were that looked

(15:44):
like a butterfly that were inverted, and I think that
actually plays apart and the uh increasing the moment of
inertia section. Yeah, I think that's why they flipped it
out to put more weight on the outside. Yeah, okay,
what you want to talk about that? So do you
remember when we did the Um Murphy's Law podcast? I could,

(16:06):
I forget remember one of the books that he wrote
was for Your Moments of Inertia. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't
realize it was a terrible, terrible engineering pun until I
read this article Paul staff a little bit. We love
that guy, so, Chuck. A moment of inertia is basically
a way of describing as spinning objects resistance two changes

(16:28):
in that rotation, basically um being slowed down right, Um.
And what what smarter people than us have figured out
is that if you increased the mass and distribute it
slightly further away from the axis, you're going to increase
its moment of inertia and that increases the amount of

(16:50):
time is just sleeping right. Yeah. And like I said,
I don't know this, but I just remember when I
was a kid, they had those inverted yo yos, and
I bet you anything that's why they did that. It's
got to be because were wider at the outside and
then curved in, which had to be less mass. Yeah,
it was less stuff. That's would So I'm gonna go
on record as saying that's why they did that. But

(17:11):
I think you want more mass further away to increase
its moment of in nurture. Right. Yeah, so it was
there was more mass on the outside further away from
the axis. Yeah, so that allows things to sleep a
lot longer. And um, that was a I guess you
could say one of the breakthroughs in yoyo design. I
think in the sixties they started adding mass to the

(17:33):
outside and um, extending the axle a little bit. Bam,
yoyo has been improved. Think about this, right, maybe even
longer than that. Years ago, somebody invented the yo yo
does not change until the Philippines in the early twentieth century.
Well I thought it said it did change, We just
don't know. Said there were changes in designs over the years. No,

(17:58):
not that I took. I took it like there was
one way and then there was the Filipino way and
that was it. We got a correction to make them
and then the twenty century hits and then there's all
these great improvements on these designs. Indeed, one of the
improvements Chuck was adding bald bearings. Right, yeah, well you
and I don't think these are improvements, or at least

(18:19):
I don't. Okay, that's absolutely true. That's a good caveat.
I think that the Filipinos perfected the yo yo. Let's
just call them modifications for sorry kids who don't know
how to yo yo rich kids. Yeah, that makes it easier,
I think. Didn't that the whole point of both of
these things. Yeah, I guess makes it easier to sleep.
And yeah, and I guess they're like, well, if you're

(18:42):
just enjoying sleeping and waking your yo yo, then why
make it tough if you want to have fun with
your toy. I can't believe they made it easier for
kids to have fun. So the bald bearing design I
think is kind of clever. Um. Basically, the this modified
asition takes the axle and splits it into into two races,

(19:05):
which are basically little courses for ball bearings to spin around.
Right now, does that split the axle? These are just
around the axle. So one is connected to the axle
that's the inter race, one is connected to the string
that's the outer race, and then in between the two
are ball bearings. They're not connected in any way, um

(19:27):
except maybe via the context with the ball bearings. So
when you when you release your yo yo towards the
ground and it's linear and angular momentum really build up.
When it hits the inter race can tilt a little
bit and um connect with the outer race via the
ball bearings. So they're they're spinning, right, and then as

(19:48):
they straighten out the um they they're they're not connected anymore,
so that the string no longer has any effect on
whether the yo yo spins or not, because it's just
the interrace connected to the axle that's spinning. So your
yo yo can sleep far, far longer. Yeah, the outer
race spens the interrace, which spens the axle. Right, it's

(20:09):
like a transfer of angular momentum exactly, and then the
strings just like you just let me know when you're done,
and we'll wind back up. Well, it'll get a little tuggle.
Do the same thing with that style, right, or you
can just completely take yourself out of the equation altogether
except for a snap of the risk. The initial release
is all you need to do with what's called the

(20:30):
yo yo with the brain. These are really fake yoyo's.
I want to get one though. It's kind of cool,
like you could be in a vegetative state and do
this yo yo. Yeah, this was in the nineties. Company
called Yomega release these and they called it the yo
Yo with the brain, when in fact they should have
called it the yo Yo with the clutch. And Uh.

(20:50):
The deal here is you've got these two clutch arms,
uh weighted ball on one side, and it's not attached
on the other side, and they're spring loaded. The spindle
is not attached to the axle, but the clutch arms
are attached to the spindle. So when you throw this
thing down, it's gonna spin slower at first than the
and the clutch is engaged. As it gets faster, all

(21:13):
of a sudden it's enough inertia to pop the clutch
essentially against the edges, and it releases the spindle, which
makes the whole thing spin faster. On the axis right,
the centrifugal force um pushes down the weight, which pushes
down the arm under the spring, which releases the two

(21:34):
which allows it to spin. And it only spends for
a certain amount of time. It's not like the kind
that you tug back up. It'll spin til it slows
down and then the clutch locks back down and boom
it shoots back up, right back up. I wanna, I
wanna wish we had one of those. I want to
see what it's like. So basically, the big to the
two modifications are based on separating the string from the
axle by by creating two different kinds of I guess

(21:59):
axles are mendles or whatever, which are really just sort
of taking the Philippine Filipino design a step further because
although it made contact with the axle, it wasn't quote
connected to the axle. Yeah, I guess it was, but
it wasn't tight. And a guy named Michael Caffrey is
the one who came up with the yo yo with
the brain Andy Omega started telling him in n but

(22:20):
he came up with in two years after a man
named Tom cun created the no jive three and one
yo yo that you could take a part and replace
the axle and do all sorts of modifications with no
really big big time for changes in yo yo design.
So did he rip this dude off? Is that what
you're saying? Okay, No, I'm just saying, like the two

(22:41):
these two big steps in umsign he said two years
after it was sinister. Well, you're a very suspicious person
I am when it comes to yo yo design. Um, chuck,
that's pretty much the physics of yo yos. Did you
know that we just explained how yo yo's work. You know,
I looked online at videos and stuff to make it

(23:03):
a little easier, because this is a very visual thing,
and they do have videos. But what I found out
is that a lot of teachers, physics teachers, use yo
yo's to describe these whatever four to six properties that
we described. I have to tell you, I understand angular
momentum far better now. I understand and although it went
through the yo yos, through the football, I understand the

(23:26):
moment of inertia. Okay, all wait is that moment of inertia? No,
that's angular momentum, angular moments spinning on an axis. Yeah, oh,
you're talking about the gyroscopic stability. That's what it was. See,
I get confused. I need to chuck. It's physics, man,
don't feel bad. Um, you want to know a couple
more pieces of yo yo trivia? Yeah. In one, Abby

(23:47):
Hoffman of the Chicago seven was um indicted uh or no,
charged with contempt of Congress when he um started doing
the walk the dog. Uh and during a House on
American Activities Committee session that was investigating him. So he
was like, I'm just so over this, I'm gonna yoyo. Well, apparently,

(24:10):
the way I read it is that he was trying
to entertain, lighting everything up. It's like, here, watch me yoyo,
and he was walking the dog and the sid. So
that's how yoyo's are connected to McCarthy is m if
you want to take an S Y S K quiz
and that comes up. Plus, yoyos were huge back then.
That was like the heyday. I think it was the sixties. Yeah, um, Nixon,

(24:32):
have you seen Nixon try to yo yo? Man? If
you don't like Nixon, this will just make you hate
him even more. The night that they opened the Grand
Old Opry and I think sometime in nineteen four, Um,
what's the main guy, like the whole cast of hehaus
behind Nixon and then the main roy acoff. He presents
Nixon with a yoyo and like has to put it

(24:53):
on Nixon's finger and Nixon looks like what's going on?
You know? And um, and then he tries to do
it once and it just kind of like lops down
and makes like a sad trombone noise, and he just
has this sullen like look on his face, like I
don't like yo Yo's He looks kind of like you did.
At the beginning of this episode, me and Tricky did um.

(25:14):
And then they took a yo yo in space Chuck, Yeah,
I saw that and it still work. It did work.
They found that like letting it drop did nothing because
they were testing it in microgravity. But if um, it
will it will go slowly. You can, you can do
it slowly, but it will still spin. Um. And it
moves kind of um, just kind of gracefully along the

(25:38):
string like in just mid air horizontally and um, but
it will never sleep. Well, thank god NASA did that.
Those are all the videos you see that. They do
much more than that. That was back when NASA was like,
we have so much money, we don't know what to do.
Let's launch something and let's say the Toys and Space Project, right,

(26:00):
and they did. Now, this was just where yo yos.
That was the only thing they did on that flight. Well, no,
the Toys and Space Project in company or encompassed to
sixty Shuttle missions one for each toy that they tested out.
Jack's was one of the best ones, the Belo paddle.
So that's uh, that's Yo yos. Frankly, I'm pretty happy
with this one. I thought you were going to lead

(26:21):
in with something on Yo yo Ma. No man, try
to look up Yo Yo's in the news and not
at Yo yo Ma. Cheez, can't do it, stupid. I
searched yo yo minus ma minus knee minus gabba to
finally get some stuff out. Oh what was the other

(26:42):
one here, Mama neo yo MTV raps that came up
to did it? Yeah? I stopped searching before I minus
MTV two. You know you could minus, I was, yeah,
and it'll it'll route out all the search, all this,
all the results that have that. Really, so you just
put the minus sign minus and then the next letter.

(27:03):
No space, had no idea, and you can do a
bunch of different ones, no commas, no nothing, just like
minus gabba minus yo minus mom minus knee. You literally
just improved my life. Oh good, or my research for
like eight times to day. Yeah, all right, well that's it,
all right, yo Yo's. I was in a jewelry store

(27:24):
once and Neo came in it seemed nice. Who's Neo?
He's this rapper. He's from Atlanta. I thought you're talking
about the matrix. No, that's like Neo. This is Knee Yo.
Oh yeah, I part of him. Yeah. Well, if you
want to learn more about Yo Yo's including some really

(27:44):
top notch illustrations, this is one of those ones that
you will see why we have staff illustrators here in color. No. Um,
you want to type in Yo Yo at the in
the handy search bar how stuff works dot Com, that
will bring up that really cool article. Um And I
said handy search bar. So now it's time for Chuck
to shine with another edition of Listener Mail. Uh, Josh,

(28:10):
this is uh one of our oldest than not by age,
but one of our most loyal fans and its spies.
She has a band and they put together. Uh well,
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the festive, greedy little griff of the holiday season, I

(28:32):
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It's a charity album to raise funds for the continued
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re raise awareness when the label releasing this compilation approached

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us to contribute a track. So you know, she's right.
You hear about these tragedies appen, and then six months
later you kind of forget about it. It's the curse
of the news cycle exactly. But luckily there's a lot
of people that, uh, my friend Dave is one of
them that's still working, like on the tsunami from five
or six years ago, so continued help is always needed. Uh,

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there's a CD. It's gonna be out in mid December,
so by this by the time this comes out, it'll
already be out. You can stream the entire album, which
is thirty seven tracks by thirty seven artists on the
website More Hope for Japan dot Com and her band
New Century Classics wrote and recorded a brand new song

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just for this compilation and she's quite proud of it,
and I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet,
but I'm gonna. And she says there's a lot of
far better known artists on there. Uh and anyone who
likes instrumental music, post rock, ambient and basically pretty melodic
guitar based and should dig it. So check it out.
That's Anna's uh Anna's band, New Century Classics, More Hope

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for Japan dot com. Very cool, Thanks a lot and
appreciate that. Thanks for letting us know, thanks for doing
what you do, and thanks for listening for like years,
She's been around forever. Yeah. Yeah, I guess if you're
working on something that you feel like everybody's forgotten and
shouldn't have, let us know and we'll try to help
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