September 23, 2010 • 31 mins
The modern conception of hypnosis came into vogue in the late 18th century, and it's been the subject of much debate ever since. Does hypnosis really work? How? Josh and Chuck discuss the history, practices and feasibility of hypnotism in this episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.
It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know
from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to
the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Sitting across from me is
when Charles W. Bryant you might know and love him
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more as Chuckers or Chuck Chuck Tran, Chuck Tran whatever.
Call me anything, Just call me do you can call
me anything? Just don't call me late to dinner. Ah. Yeah,
that's another good one. That's a red Kneck one, isn't it. No,
it's classic. It's not red nick I've always heard it
from redne All read Nicky's classic. So wait, what accent
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was that? It's like Internet Italio serbian. You're getting more
and more refined, buddy. Um, Chuck, did you see the
Stopwatch I have do? I went to to stare at
a Chuck Am. You're getting very drowsy, Chuck Am. You're
laying in a field surrounded by little rabbits. I love rabbits.
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Y's the rabbits love you too, Chuck. Chuck. Yes, keep
your eyes open for me, Yes, yes, Chuck, I want
you to bark like a dog. When I snapped my fingers, ready, Wolf,
very good, Chuck, that was excellent. No, Chuck, I'm gonna
bring us out of this this horribly uncomfortable segment. When
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I snapped my fingers, I'm gonna count to three. And
when I snapped my fingers, You're not gonna remember any
of this, just me and the people listening to this.
Well now, okay, okay, one, two, three. Oh hey, Chuck,
I'm not sure what happened, but I feel lame. You
feel you should feel lame. You have every reason of Philiams,
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so do I, Chuck Embarrassed, I suddenly realized I just
bestowed upon you like a really great gift that you
can't remember what just happened. That was like the worst
intro we ever did it. It is so just thank
you lucky stars. Chuck. That is a great intro. Josh.
Because we're talking about hypnosis, well, yeah, it would have
been a little weird for Australian frogs, right, that'd be weird.
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So I'll go ahead and kick start this, my friend
by saying that hypnosis has been around for a couple
hundred years and because it has to do with the
brain in the mind, we still don't know a ton
about how it actually works. I'd like to kick start
this one by saying that hypnosis is complete. I don't
agree because I have been hypnotized and we will get
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to that later. Really, yeah, have you really? Yeah? Sort of. Well,
we'll talk about it. I'll walk you through my experience later.
That would be great. You've been hypnotized twice. Now you
realize that you don't remember it. But I don't know
what you're talking about. I know you don't, but you've
been hypnotized twice. So technically speaking, buddy, a trance like
state is what hypnosis is. And um, it's characterized by relaxation,
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heightened imagination, and extreme suggestibility. And they compare it to daydreaming.
You're actually hyperintentive. You're not asleep, you're hyperintentive. And uh,
they like in it sometimes so when you get lost,
like in a movie, and nothing exists outside the movie
and you are moating with the movie and you kind
of believe what's going on is real. And not only
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was it compared to in this article by poor Tom
Harris um to watching a movie, uh, it was also
compared to driving, reading, and mowing the lawn. Was it. Oh,
you didn't see that. This is awesome illustration that shows
you all the things that you can kind of self
hypnotize with, and one of them is apparently writing a
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lawn tractor. Well. Milton Ericsson is a expert in the
twentieth century of with hypnotism. He says that this happens
on a daily basis to everybody. Yeah, and I know
what he's talking about. Like, Um, I've definitely driven unimpaired
before and been like how did I get here? I've
done that too, man, And you realize you're so focused
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on a thought or a problem or it's just something
you're trying to work out, that your body's just taken over.
And you can do it in a stick shift too,
it's not just with automatics. Yeah. You know what usually
triggers my realization that that's happened as I realized some awful,
awful song has been playing that I would never listen to,
like one second of like like Bad of the Bone
is on and it's like the bud you mean George
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third good and the Tea Birds that now the t
Birds it's different. George Thirders, you didn't like Thur're good?
He used to go to the Hollywood Wide by the way,
the same we're on the same workout schedule for a
little while. Awesome. He like his old bones on the treadmill.
He looks like he's about to die, So I'm sure
he was. I hated Bad to the Bone, and I
maintain that. Okay, So if you are listening to Bad
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to the Bone and you realize that it's like the
end of the song it's been on the whole time,
that's clear evidence that you've self hypnotized exactly. And there's
also a school of thought that all hypnosis is self hypnosis.
We'll get to those explanations later. That definitely makes a
little bit of say to me, mesmerized even do you
want to talk about Mr Mesmer? Yeah, mess that The
name actually comes from a guy named Franz France Mesma,
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and he was an Austrian physician in the seventeen hundreds,
and he was one of the early proponents of hypnotism.
He thought it was a mystical force though, and it
um was early early on, it was a known as mesmerism, right,
and then that just eventually became like mesmerizing, right, And
and Mesmer's whole bit was that it was animal magnetism
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flowing from the hypnotist like sleep, right, that guy coming
out of his fingers, in his eyes like into the subject,
and the hypnosis was the hypnotist exerting his will on
the hypnotized person um, and that was largely abandoned in
the nineteenth century I think was Yeah, a Scottish surgeon
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named James Braid coined the term hypnosis, and it came
to be seen as a stage that the person went
into guided by a hypnotist, right, gotcha, Well, that's definitely
what happens um when you're under hypnosis. It's always that
you talk about the suggestibility. You you think that that's reality.
So the example they gave in the the article, which
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I thought was appropriate for us, is if they say, like,
your tongue is swollen, you believe that, and so you
might start talking like you do with a thick tongue.
That's nice. Or if they say you're drinking like a
cold soda, you might like feel the bubbles or the
cooling effect on your throat even right, uh and Chuck,
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I think it's not that you think it's real, it's
that you are in much the same way it was
like into watching a movie or a TV show, Like,
do you ever watch a TV show and you like
it cuts the commercial and all of a sudden you realize,
like you're really anxious, like you're about you're in trouble
for something, and you don't understand why, and you realize
it's because you've attached to what's going on in the
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show so much that you're kind of empathizing with the characters.
I think it's like that, like the idea that a
dramatic play going on inside a little box can evoke
emotions in you. That's what hypnosis say. Is this you
don't think it's reality because you're not thinking, yeah, you're well,
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well we'll get into the brain of it. Then I
guess this is probably a good time to do it,
right the subconscious mind? Well, yeah, that this is this
is really where I started to zone out, and really
I was like, how did I lose the last hour?
The school of thought, for the most part is that
hypnotism is a way to get into your subconscious mind.
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You say hypnotism, hypnotism hypnotism, uh taps into your subconscious
and if your conscious thoughts are the things that you
have to consciously think of in a day, your subconscious
is still like hard at work doing all the things
Like you don't think I'm going to get in my
car and pick up my key to insert it in
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you just you know your subconscious knows how to do
all that, right. Um. Harris used the example of like
losing your keys, right, you're sitting there in your conscious mind.
I guess in this respect, and I have to put
this claim around I don't I think conscious and subconscious
concepts will be around for much longer. But I don't
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think so. Um. But from the from the viewpoint of psychology,
your conscious mind is what's what realizes that you are
missing your car keys, and all the ramifications of not
being able to find your car keys, like you're gonna
be late to work and this is gonna be a problem,
and where did you leave it last? And all that,
and your subconscious mind are all of the different mechanisms there.
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It's governing all the different mechanisms, bringing them together so
that you can have these thoughts, worries and access memories,
most importantly, so that you can remember the last place
you put them. So what seems to you like a
sudden flash of insight like there's the car keys, that
that was a series of mechinations by the subconscious mind
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that brought you to your conscious mind to that point. Well,
that's very pertinent here because psychiatrists think that the deep
relaxation and the relaxed state relaxed, that the relaxed state
that you get into it is um allows the psychiatrist
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or the hypnotists to tap into that subconscious because of
the state that you're in, tap that subconscious, tap it.
There may be a little bit too that too, right,
there could be, but um, we should probably say, chuck
before we get into that that um, what the subconscious
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mind is responsible for some of the big things, and
that that this is what right right, you've got the
sensation uh, bodily sensations, memories right, um. And with memories,
especially if you're getting in there and you're you're going
directly to the source where these things are stored, retrieved
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and experienced, right, then you have a lot of responsibility
if this is actually real, um, by to to not
manipulate these the person in the state absolutely because apparently
you're dealing directly with the subconscious. So with the talking
about repressed memories, specifically, it's easy to create false memories inadvertently,
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so you definitely have to be really careful. But yes,
you are right that there is some um evidence. There's
some scientific evidence that there's something going on here when
people are in a hypnotic state. Right. Well, yeah, the
conscious mind is the inhibitive component of your body, so
it's it's the one that's like putting on the brakes
for things, and the subconscious is the more impulsive and
imaginative one. So it makes sense that you see those
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stupid hypnosis shows live on stage where adults are like
barking like dogs and walking around like chickens and stuff,
they're still there. I was in Vegas a couple of
weeks billboards. People love that stuff that, Um, I'm just
not one of them. But that does sort of make
sense that if they're tapping into into the subconscious and
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leaving the conscious mind out of it, then that's why
they're uninhibited and feel free to do all those stupid things. Right,
So there's something to that in theory just by looking
at it, right, and there there is, um. I guess
people have slapped people into e G. Machines, given them
electro and cephalography scans, yeah, to see what's actually going
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on the brain, right, and there is something like there's
no there's no change bodily aside from and Tom Harris
did a good job making this point. People are relaxed, right,
but that's actually from the suggested relaxation that's not from
the state of hypnosis itself. So like your heart rate
might slow down and stuff, but it's not because you're hypnotized.
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It's just because your chill. Um. But with the with
the brain scancer, I can't remember what we were talking
about sleepwalking. I think you're talking about brain waves right, Um, yeah,
we were. And the low frequency waves associated with deep
sleep tend to show up more when you're in a
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hypnotized state, and the higher frequency waves associated with being
fully awake and alert um slow down something. They don't disappear,
one doesn't take over and the other one goes away
like when you're actually in deep sleep. But there the
they're skewed differently than a normal person would have while
they're awake, and so they're there. Tom also points out
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to that that's not like proof of anything, but it
is a nod to like, well, this is actually going on. Um.
The same with the study, the cerebral cortex and hypnotics
showed or hypnotics subject showed reduced activity in the left
hemisphere and increased in the right. And the left hemisphere
is where the logical control center is and the right
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is where like the imagination and creativity is. So that
kind of supports the idea as well. But again not
like hardproof, Chuck, how do you? Um, that's my problem
with us. There's no hard proof whatsoever. Um. How how
do you as far as against psychology psychiatry goes, and
this is in widespread use or vegas, how do you
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hypnotize somebody? Well, there's some different ways, right do you
can do it? There's the old school way where you
like wave the watch in front of someone that you've
seen in the movie. Yes, that's called field gaze induction
or eye fixation, fixed case, fixed case. What I say
field gaze? That makes no sense. It hypnotized you to
say that wolf? What was that? Nothing? Uh? So that's
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um idea there is that they're just getting you to
focus on something and tune everything out and then they
lull you to sleep with their tone. And that's sort
of the old school way, and they don't do it
much anymore because apparently it doesn't work that well, Yes,
because people are too smart. And what's the other one? Uh,
there's another one called rapid which I like this one.
It's like, Chuck, sleep Chuck, Chuck, you're hypnotized, Chuck, listen
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to my voice, you're sleepy, Chuck, focus on me, Chuck, Chuck. What. Yeah, Well,
and that's what they do in the Vegas shows. And
they kind of prey on the fact that you're up
on stage, you're out of your element, and you're nervous,
and they supposedly that would make you more susceptible to
that kind of suggestion. Right, that's too then there. Well,
there's another one called progressive relaxation and imagery, where someone
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might suggest that you're laying in a field. That's the
one that was used on me, or surrounded by bunnies.
Where was this? I okay, I'll go ahead and just
tell the story. I went to a hypnotherapist about four
times before. I didn't go back and he, uh, this
guy would. It was in his house over there off
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Monroe and this dude's apartment and he was sort of
creepy and like the whole situation was a little unnerving,
and uh, but I did want, Like they say one
of the things that you have to believe that you
can be hypnotized in order to be hypnotized, Like you
can't go in there as a skeptic probably and like
cross your arms and say wave your watch. But um,
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I believe that, you know you could do this because
my friend went through the cigarette hypnosis and it really
worked for him. So he had me look at a
this huge painting that was on his wall and just
like focus on that. And he had this like new
age in your music playing softly and the lights were dim.
That's a little creepy. And he lulled me with too
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with his voice, you know, and all that. And I
went three times, and I guess I was looking for
a hypnosis experience where I didn't remember what happened and
I was like out of it. But from reading this,
it's not like you're out of it. You're just in
such a relaxated, relaxed, relaxated, relaxed state that you can
go there or something. And the only success that I
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will say is for one of the sessions I got.
It's sort of like meditation. Have you ever meditated too much?
Going on, Yeah, well, you probably wouldn't be very good
with hypnosis. Plus I can't get into the lotus position
to save my mon. Well, you don't have to. Um.
It's sort of like meditation though, and that this one time,
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I really really was lulled into this like super relaxed state,
and we talked about some stuff, and then afterwards I
came out of it and he was like, all right,
how do you feel. It's like, I feel really relaxed
and good. He said, how much time do you think
that took? I was like, I don't know, about fifteen minutes.
He went, look at your watch, it was an hour
and twenty minutes. Dude, right to check, right, No, he
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just went through your talking. Uh so it's sort of worked, man,
I mean I felt did you feel better? Well, yeah,
I didn't go back. I think I went back one
more time and they went, it's not for me. You
went back for that fourth pity visit exactly. But I
felt bad for the guy and then I just quit
like returning calls. Basically, he's like, please come over, but
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I won't charge you. I haven't seen another person, and
so I know he kind of gave me that feeling
I hope he didn't listen to the show, but um,
breaking me out, man, Like the passage of time definitely
weirded me out to where I was like I lost
an hour somehow. So you know, I was not saying
I believe in it, but it was pretty real. Well you,
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I guess we're probably yeah, debunk it. Well, the problem
is you You totally nailed the not just why hypnosis
isn't necessarily real, but why psychology isn't necessarily real? Chuck,
have you heard of the Dodo Bird effect? No, Dodo
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Bird effect? It was there was a psycholog just in
I think the thirties and I can't remember his name,
but he figured out and it's it's been proven time
and time again that no matter what psychological orientation you're using,
whether it's um, Freudian psychoanalysis, UM or behavioral cognitive behavioralism, whatever,
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as long as the patient believes that he or she
can be healed, believes in the therapist's abilities, and the
therapist believes in that orientation, there's going to be success.
It is powerful, but the mind of the patient is powerful. Right.
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What is described by the Dodo Bird effect, and it's
based on some part of I think through the looking
glass or whatever, the Dodo bird decrease, everyone's a winner.
It's the placebo effect. That's what hypnosis says. It's a
placebo effect, but more specifically, it's a socially or cultural
bound placebo effect like voodoo. Remember when we talked about voodoo,
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and it's there's a well we when we talked about zombies.
I don't think we touched on it and voodoo. But
with zombies, it's like, if you live in a culture
that believes in zombieism and steps are taken to make
you think that you have been afflicted and and and
made into a zombie, you're going to act like a zombie.
Most likely. That's what hypnosis does in my opinion. Well,
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and I sort of agree with that, But he also
makes a point to when I was reading this, I'm
glad he made the point in the end because the
whole time I was thinking like, yeah, but if the
end result is the same as hypnosis, isn't that the same?
Like it's kind of splitting hairs, And he makes that point,
what's the difference if the placebo cures your ills? Well,
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the differences is like if you can tap into the
placebo effect. That's what optimal because you're letting the body
take over and take care of itself. The problem whom
is is when you write a check to somebody, okay
for something that you could have done yourself. Or there's
an entire field of study like psychology that entire other
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fields of study like economics or well let's just go
with economics are based on the findings of and those
findings aren't right it's all placebo effect. Then you've got
a real problem. Yeah, I guess it's a solid point.
It is, so I think if we identify the placebo effect,
you have to identify it. But the problem is if
people know that it is a placebo effect, then it
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kind of ruins its effectiveness. Usually well, because you gotta
believe in it going in. Yeah, for sure. One of
the ways they use it is um habit control treatment.
And that's what I was talking about. My buddy Johnny Pindell,
who quit smoking. What's your buddy's name, John Pendell? Johnell. Yeah,
he sounds like he should be wearing like a Jeane jacket,
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might deaf Leppard and black like marker on the might
be and he might be as you met Johnny. He
was the guy in New York that's all guy in
the back of the van with us. Oh yeah, I
like that guy. I could totally see him in a
jean jacket with death leopard on the back. He U
he went through the cigarette program and a lot of
times it's like overeating or smoking and they'll basically what
they'll do is hypnotize you and reprogram your subconscious to
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like you're you're gonna feel nauseous every time you smoke
a cigarette. And it, you know, with varying degrees of success.
It's worked on some people, including John I think he
smokes now, but that was years ago. Again, though, I mean,
did it really work. It worked for a little while.
If he didn't work because he believed it there It's
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not just that though. I mean a lot of cancer
patients apparently undergo hypnosis to get through uh chemotherapy or
to try and heal right period, and a lot of
people swear by that. Um. Same with childbirth. UM. Then
there's somewhere you're getting in some areas where it's like no, no,
if this is a placebo effect phenomenon, like we shouldn't
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be using this at all, Like for sick. Yeah for sure. Yeah,
because we talked about implanning false memories, there's a likelihood
of that. Yeah. What they'll do in forensic is they'll
they'll get someone who has like a suppressed memory of
like an awful crime, and they'll hypnotize them to bring
out these like details of the crime scene. But that's
really controversial when it's used at all. Um there's also
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um oh, isn't there another one, Chuck? Well, just regular
psychotherapy if you have like phobias or h fears, you know,
subconscious fears, which is much like the habit control hypnotic treatment,
except it's more usually more um guided towards things like
phobias rather than quitting smoking. Right, But it uses a
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lot of the same tricks, like rather than you'll be nauseous,
the next time you get afraid of flying, right, it
will be it would? It would? I guess kind of
instill in you self confidence or something like that, like
you are you don't need to be afraid of this
plane wreck. You'll it'll be over eventually. This is gonna
be a email generator. I think I think we'll get
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both sides of the coin on this. A lot of
people are gonna say, no, dude, I was hypnotized and
it was real. Or I went and saw that Vega
show and you don't know anything. It was hysterical, right,
Or I think it's bunk and I'm I'm a skeptic.
I think skeptics you're kind of wired that way. You're
either skeptic or you're more inclined to believe things. I changed.
I've done a complete one eighty. I was thinking the
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other day how much how surprised I am and what
is skeptic I become? Did you at least I love
everything that like without thinking Like I I used to
think Genghis Khan killed like one point eight million people
in an hour. I thought it because it was awesome.
It was an awesome thing to think. And now today
I was reading it was actually today I was reading
this hypnosis article and I was like, this is bunk,
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Like I can barely make it through this article. Yeah,
And and I realized, just like how much I've changed
in that respect. I think you get older and you
get a little more cynical and less prone to buy
an to stuff. Do you want to hear any more? Um,
there's there's like a whole slew of cultural cultural bound
culture bound mental illnesses that are like if you live
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in a culture that accepts this as fact. There's one
that I just want to tell you one, but if
you're ever interested, you should go check out culture bound
mental illnesses. There's lots of sites that have lists and
descriptions of them. But there's one called CORO and it
afflicts Malaysians possibly Indians. There's like, there's large populations that
believe in this that under certain circumstances, like after you've
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had sex with the prostitute or engage in masturbation, if
you're feeling particularly guilty about this, you may suffer from CORO.
And CORO is the belief that your genitalia male and
female are shrinking into your body. It can also happen
from eating unclean food or whatever. So the idea is
that if people really believe this, then it will happen,
or they just believe it's happening, and so that's what matters.
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They believe it's happening, and that's what matters. This is
why it's classifies a mental illness because it doesn't actually happen,
but they'll take steps to prevent it from happening, like
putting hooks into their breasts to pull them back out,
tearing off their son's penises to keep them from keep
it from spreading. Yeah, so, but that's culturally bound. Like
if you did that in the US, everybody be like,
you're absolutely nuts. You do it there, it's like, oh yeah, koro, Yeah.
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I think that's what hypnosis says. It gives you in
the United States. Carte blanc two act in ways that
you would be embarrassed by normally because you're hypnotized, So
the rest of us aren't judging you interesting. I don't
think that makes you skeptic. Thanks, thanks man, because I
started to hate that little rotten pardon me skeptic. So
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if you want to learn more about hypnosis or find
out the fate of Chuck based on the fixed gaze
induction that he underwent, Yeah that time, you can type
in hypnosis h y ke and oh a I s
in the search bar how stuff works dot Com. It's
the plain old vanilla search bar and how stuff works
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that's where I had the cow cheek cheeks are the taste.
He's part of any animal that I didn't care for
it really then it makes me stay and I've been
like it. We'll get you some sweet print sometimes. But
you can come and hang out with these guys and yeah,
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they're all very approachable. Yeah, and we'll just play us
in trivia. See what you got, bring your books, your
John Hodgman books. He's got a couple of books out
that I'm sure you'd be happy to sign. Probably will
do that again. Uh, if you have an email about
our trivia event, yeah, we have the other it to
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the non sanctioned event though. Oh yeah, go ahead. The
night before trivia Tuesday, October twelve, our buddies, the Henry
Clay people are in town. Yeah, at just Drunken UNI.
Right by chance, they are in town. Uh, doing a
headlining show this time, which is awesome at the Drunken
Unicorn on Constant Leon Avenue, and I imagine it'll be
sort of a late show. It's one of those kind
of clubs. But you're gonna be there, right Oh yeah, yeah,
(29:22):
Josh and Umi will be there, and Emily and I'll
be there, and Jerry. We're gonna make you come even
if you don't want to. And I think hopefully Joe
is going to be in town and go with us.
We'll see day before and we asked John if you
would be there too, so we'll see and um, yeah.
If you're not familiar with the Henry Clay people, they
had a song on Gossip Girls. Did you know that?
Oh really? Yeah for them, camera what it's called. But
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that's a big time make a little coin. Yeah, I'm
sure probably not. I'm sure they're They're label is just like, yeah,
here's some tires for your road trip. So that is
a non sanctioned, non official event, but we want to
encourage people come out to that show, hang out with us,
hang out with the band, give Jordan the keyboard player
or some Greek for having line disease. You picked it
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up at Chuck's house from be a good time. We
want to pack it out for those guys. Uh, it
won't be hard junking Unicorn holds like fifty people. So yeah,
you're right. So again, Chuck said that was a non
sanctioned event. I guess marketing was all over and for
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the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Sitting across from me is
when Charles W. Bryant you might know and love him
(00:22):
more as Chuckers or Chuck Chuck Tran, Chuck Tran whatever.
Call me anything, Just call me do you can call
me anything? Just don't call me late to dinner. Ah. Yeah,
that's another good one. That's a red Kneck one, isn't it. No,
it's classic. It's not red nick I've always heard it
from redne All read Nicky's classic. So wait, what accent
(00:45):
was that? It's like Internet Italio serbian. You're getting more
and more refined, buddy. Um, Chuck, did you see the
Stopwatch I have do? I went to to stare at
a Chuck Am. You're getting very drowsy, Chuck Am. You're
laying in a field surrounded by little rabbits. I love rabbits.
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Y's the rabbits love you too, Chuck. Chuck. Yes, keep
your eyes open for me, Yes, yes, Chuck, I want
you to bark like a dog. When I snapped my fingers, ready, Wolf,
very good, Chuck, that was excellent. No, Chuck, I'm gonna
bring us out of this this horribly uncomfortable segment. When
(01:28):
I snapped my fingers, I'm gonna count to three. And
when I snapped my fingers, You're not gonna remember any
of this, just me and the people listening to this.
Well now, okay, okay, one, two, three. Oh hey, Chuck,
I'm not sure what happened, but I feel lame. You
feel you should feel lame. You have every reason of Philiams,
(01:51):
so do I, Chuck Embarrassed, I suddenly realized I just
bestowed upon you like a really great gift that you
can't remember what just happened. That was like the worst
intro we ever did it. It is so just thank
you lucky stars. Chuck. That is a great intro. Josh.
Because we're talking about hypnosis, well, yeah, it would have
been a little weird for Australian frogs, right, that'd be weird.
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So I'll go ahead and kick start this, my friend
by saying that hypnosis has been around for a couple
hundred years and because it has to do with the
brain in the mind, we still don't know a ton
about how it actually works. I'd like to kick start
this one by saying that hypnosis is complete. I don't
agree because I have been hypnotized and we will get
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to that later. Really, yeah, have you really? Yeah? Sort of. Well,
we'll talk about it. I'll walk you through my experience later.
That would be great. You've been hypnotized twice. Now you
realize that you don't remember it. But I don't know
what you're talking about. I know you don't, but you've
been hypnotized twice. So technically speaking, buddy, a trance like
state is what hypnosis is. And um, it's characterized by relaxation,
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heightened imagination, and extreme suggestibility. And they compare it to daydreaming.
You're actually hyperintentive. You're not asleep, you're hyperintentive. And uh,
they like in it sometimes so when you get lost,
like in a movie, and nothing exists outside the movie
and you are moating with the movie and you kind
of believe what's going on is real. And not only
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was it compared to in this article by poor Tom
Harris um to watching a movie, uh, it was also
compared to driving, reading, and mowing the lawn. Was it. Oh,
you didn't see that. This is awesome illustration that shows
you all the things that you can kind of self
hypnotize with, and one of them is apparently writing a
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lawn tractor. Well. Milton Ericsson is a expert in the
twentieth century of with hypnotism. He says that this happens
on a daily basis to everybody. Yeah, and I know
what he's talking about. Like, Um, I've definitely driven unimpaired
before and been like how did I get here? I've
done that too, man, And you realize you're so focused
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on a thought or a problem or it's just something
you're trying to work out, that your body's just taken over.
And you can do it in a stick shift too,
it's not just with automatics. Yeah. You know what usually
triggers my realization that that's happened as I realized some awful,
awful song has been playing that I would never listen to,
like one second of like like Bad of the Bone
is on and it's like the bud you mean George
(04:23):
third good and the Tea Birds that now the t
Birds it's different. George Thirders, you didn't like Thur're good?
He used to go to the Hollywood Wide by the way,
the same we're on the same workout schedule for a
little while. Awesome. He like his old bones on the treadmill.
He looks like he's about to die, So I'm sure
he was. I hated Bad to the Bone, and I
maintain that. Okay, So if you are listening to Bad
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to the Bone and you realize that it's like the
end of the song it's been on the whole time,
that's clear evidence that you've self hypnotized exactly. And there's
also a school of thought that all hypnosis is self hypnosis.
We'll get to those explanations later. That definitely makes a
little bit of say to me, mesmerized even do you
want to talk about Mr Mesmer? Yeah, mess that The
name actually comes from a guy named Franz France Mesma,
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and he was an Austrian physician in the seventeen hundreds,
and he was one of the early proponents of hypnotism.
He thought it was a mystical force though, and it
um was early early on, it was a known as mesmerism, right,
and then that just eventually became like mesmerizing, right, And
and Mesmer's whole bit was that it was animal magnetism
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flowing from the hypnotist like sleep, right, that guy coming
out of his fingers, in his eyes like into the subject,
and the hypnosis was the hypnotist exerting his will on
the hypnotized person um, and that was largely abandoned in
the nineteenth century I think was Yeah, a Scottish surgeon
(05:54):
named James Braid coined the term hypnosis, and it came
to be seen as a stage that the person went
into guided by a hypnotist, right, gotcha, Well, that's definitely
what happens um when you're under hypnosis. It's always that
you talk about the suggestibility. You you think that that's reality.
So the example they gave in the the article, which
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I thought was appropriate for us, is if they say, like,
your tongue is swollen, you believe that, and so you
might start talking like you do with a thick tongue.
That's nice. Or if they say you're drinking like a
cold soda, you might like feel the bubbles or the
cooling effect on your throat even right, uh and Chuck,
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I think it's not that you think it's real, it's
that you are in much the same way it was
like into watching a movie or a TV show, Like,
do you ever watch a TV show and you like
it cuts the commercial and all of a sudden you realize,
like you're really anxious, like you're about you're in trouble
for something, and you don't understand why, and you realize
it's because you've attached to what's going on in the
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show so much that you're kind of empathizing with the characters.
I think it's like that, like the idea that a
dramatic play going on inside a little box can evoke
emotions in you. That's what hypnosis say. Is this you
don't think it's reality because you're not thinking, yeah, you're well,
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well we'll get into the brain of it. Then I
guess this is probably a good time to do it,
right the subconscious mind? Well, yeah, that this is this
is really where I started to zone out, and really
I was like, how did I lose the last hour?
The school of thought, for the most part is that
hypnotism is a way to get into your subconscious mind.
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You say hypnotism, hypnotism hypnotism, uh taps into your subconscious
and if your conscious thoughts are the things that you
have to consciously think of in a day, your subconscious
is still like hard at work doing all the things
Like you don't think I'm going to get in my
car and pick up my key to insert it in
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you just you know your subconscious knows how to do
all that, right. Um. Harris used the example of like
losing your keys, right, you're sitting there in your conscious mind.
I guess in this respect, and I have to put
this claim around I don't I think conscious and subconscious
concepts will be around for much longer. But I don't
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think so. Um. But from the from the viewpoint of psychology,
your conscious mind is what's what realizes that you are
missing your car keys, and all the ramifications of not
being able to find your car keys, like you're gonna
be late to work and this is gonna be a problem,
and where did you leave it last? And all that,
and your subconscious mind are all of the different mechanisms there.
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It's governing all the different mechanisms, bringing them together so
that you can have these thoughts, worries and access memories,
most importantly, so that you can remember the last place
you put them. So what seems to you like a
sudden flash of insight like there's the car keys, that
that was a series of mechinations by the subconscious mind
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that brought you to your conscious mind to that point. Well,
that's very pertinent here because psychiatrists think that the deep
relaxation and the relaxed state relaxed, that the relaxed state
that you get into it is um allows the psychiatrist
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or the hypnotists to tap into that subconscious because of
the state that you're in, tap that subconscious, tap it.
There may be a little bit too that too, right,
there could be, but um, we should probably say, chuck
before we get into that that um, what the subconscious
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mind is responsible for some of the big things, and
that that this is what right right, you've got the
sensation uh, bodily sensations, memories right, um. And with memories,
especially if you're getting in there and you're you're going
directly to the source where these things are stored, retrieved
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and experienced, right, then you have a lot of responsibility
if this is actually real, um, by to to not
manipulate these the person in the state absolutely because apparently
you're dealing directly with the subconscious. So with the talking
about repressed memories, specifically, it's easy to create false memories inadvertently,
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so you definitely have to be really careful. But yes,
you are right that there is some um evidence. There's
some scientific evidence that there's something going on here when
people are in a hypnotic state. Right. Well, yeah, the
conscious mind is the inhibitive component of your body, so
it's it's the one that's like putting on the brakes
for things, and the subconscious is the more impulsive and
imaginative one. So it makes sense that you see those
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stupid hypnosis shows live on stage where adults are like
barking like dogs and walking around like chickens and stuff,
they're still there. I was in Vegas a couple of
weeks billboards. People love that stuff that, Um, I'm just
not one of them. But that does sort of make
sense that if they're tapping into into the subconscious and
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leaving the conscious mind out of it, then that's why
they're uninhibited and feel free to do all those stupid things. Right,
So there's something to that in theory just by looking
at it, right, and there there is, um. I guess
people have slapped people into e G. Machines, given them
electro and cephalography scans, yeah, to see what's actually going
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on the brain, right, and there is something like there's
no there's no change bodily aside from and Tom Harris
did a good job making this point. People are relaxed, right,
but that's actually from the suggested relaxation that's not from
the state of hypnosis itself. So like your heart rate
might slow down and stuff, but it's not because you're hypnotized.
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It's just because your chill. Um. But with the with
the brain scancer, I can't remember what we were talking
about sleepwalking. I think you're talking about brain waves right, Um, yeah,
we were. And the low frequency waves associated with deep
sleep tend to show up more when you're in a
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hypnotized state, and the higher frequency waves associated with being
fully awake and alert um slow down something. They don't disappear,
one doesn't take over and the other one goes away
like when you're actually in deep sleep. But there the
they're skewed differently than a normal person would have while
they're awake, and so they're there. Tom also points out
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to that that's not like proof of anything, but it
is a nod to like, well, this is actually going on. Um.
The same with the study, the cerebral cortex and hypnotics
showed or hypnotics subject showed reduced activity in the left
hemisphere and increased in the right. And the left hemisphere
is where the logical control center is and the right
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is where like the imagination and creativity is. So that
kind of supports the idea as well. But again not
like hardproof, Chuck, how do you? Um, that's my problem
with us. There's no hard proof whatsoever. Um. How how
do you as far as against psychology psychiatry goes, and
this is in widespread use or vegas, how do you
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hypnotize somebody? Well, there's some different ways, right do you
can do it? There's the old school way where you
like wave the watch in front of someone that you've
seen in the movie. Yes, that's called field gaze induction
or eye fixation, fixed case, fixed case. What I say
field gaze? That makes no sense. It hypnotized you to
say that wolf? What was that? Nothing? Uh? So that's
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um idea there is that they're just getting you to
focus on something and tune everything out and then they
lull you to sleep with their tone. And that's sort
of the old school way, and they don't do it
much anymore because apparently it doesn't work that well, Yes,
because people are too smart. And what's the other one? Uh,
there's another one called rapid which I like this one.
It's like, Chuck, sleep Chuck, Chuck, you're hypnotized, Chuck, listen
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to my voice, you're sleepy, Chuck, focus on me, Chuck, Chuck. What. Yeah, Well,
and that's what they do in the Vegas shows. And
they kind of prey on the fact that you're up
on stage, you're out of your element, and you're nervous,
and they supposedly that would make you more susceptible to
that kind of suggestion. Right, that's too then there. Well,
there's another one called progressive relaxation and imagery, where someone
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might suggest that you're laying in a field. That's the
one that was used on me, or surrounded by bunnies.
Where was this? I okay, I'll go ahead and just
tell the story. I went to a hypnotherapist about four
times before. I didn't go back and he, uh, this
guy would. It was in his house over there off
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Monroe and this dude's apartment and he was sort of
creepy and like the whole situation was a little unnerving,
and uh, but I did want, Like they say one
of the things that you have to believe that you
can be hypnotized in order to be hypnotized, Like you
can't go in there as a skeptic probably and like
cross your arms and say wave your watch. But um,
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I believe that, you know you could do this because
my friend went through the cigarette hypnosis and it really
worked for him. So he had me look at a
this huge painting that was on his wall and just
like focus on that. And he had this like new
age in your music playing softly and the lights were dim.
That's a little creepy. And he lulled me with too
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with his voice, you know, and all that. And I
went three times, and I guess I was looking for
a hypnosis experience where I didn't remember what happened and
I was like out of it. But from reading this,
it's not like you're out of it. You're just in
such a relaxated, relaxed, relaxated, relaxed state that you can
go there or something. And the only success that I
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will say is for one of the sessions I got.
It's sort of like meditation. Have you ever meditated too much?
Going on, Yeah, well, you probably wouldn't be very good
with hypnosis. Plus I can't get into the lotus position
to save my mon. Well, you don't have to. Um.
It's sort of like meditation though, and that this one time,
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I really really was lulled into this like super relaxed state,
and we talked about some stuff, and then afterwards I
came out of it and he was like, all right,
how do you feel. It's like, I feel really relaxed
and good. He said, how much time do you think
that took? I was like, I don't know, about fifteen minutes.
He went, look at your watch, it was an hour
and twenty minutes. Dude, right to check, right, No, he
(16:54):
just went through your talking. Uh so it's sort of worked, man,
I mean I felt did you feel better? Well, yeah,
I didn't go back. I think I went back one
more time and they went, it's not for me. You
went back for that fourth pity visit exactly. But I
felt bad for the guy and then I just quit
like returning calls. Basically, he's like, please come over, but
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I won't charge you. I haven't seen another person, and
so I know he kind of gave me that feeling
I hope he didn't listen to the show, but um,
breaking me out, man, Like the passage of time definitely
weirded me out to where I was like I lost
an hour somehow. So you know, I was not saying
I believe in it, but it was pretty real. Well you,
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I guess we're probably yeah, debunk it. Well, the problem
is you You totally nailed the not just why hypnosis
isn't necessarily real, but why psychology isn't necessarily real? Chuck,
have you heard of the Dodo Bird effect? No, Dodo
(17:57):
Bird effect? It was there was a psycholog just in
I think the thirties and I can't remember his name,
but he figured out and it's it's been proven time
and time again that no matter what psychological orientation you're using,
whether it's um, Freudian psychoanalysis, UM or behavioral cognitive behavioralism, whatever,
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as long as the patient believes that he or she
can be healed, believes in the therapist's abilities, and the
therapist believes in that orientation, there's going to be success.
It is powerful, but the mind of the patient is powerful. Right.
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What is described by the Dodo Bird effect, and it's
based on some part of I think through the looking
glass or whatever, the Dodo bird decrease, everyone's a winner.
It's the placebo effect. That's what hypnosis says. It's a
placebo effect, but more specifically, it's a socially or cultural
bound placebo effect like voodoo. Remember when we talked about voodoo,
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and it's there's a well we when we talked about zombies.
I don't think we touched on it and voodoo. But
with zombies, it's like, if you live in a culture
that believes in zombieism and steps are taken to make
you think that you have been afflicted and and and
made into a zombie, you're going to act like a zombie.
Most likely. That's what hypnosis does in my opinion. Well,
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and I sort of agree with that, But he also
makes a point to when I was reading this, I'm
glad he made the point in the end because the
whole time I was thinking like, yeah, but if the
end result is the same as hypnosis, isn't that the same?
Like it's kind of splitting hairs, And he makes that point,
what's the difference if the placebo cures your ills? Well,
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the differences is like if you can tap into the
placebo effect. That's what optimal because you're letting the body
take over and take care of itself. The problem whom
is is when you write a check to somebody, okay
for something that you could have done yourself. Or there's
an entire field of study like psychology that entire other
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fields of study like economics or well let's just go
with economics are based on the findings of and those
findings aren't right it's all placebo effect. Then you've got
a real problem. Yeah, I guess it's a solid point.
It is, so I think if we identify the placebo effect,
you have to identify it. But the problem is if
people know that it is a placebo effect, then it
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kind of ruins its effectiveness. Usually well, because you gotta
believe in it going in. Yeah, for sure. One of
the ways they use it is um habit control treatment.
And that's what I was talking about. My buddy Johnny Pindell,
who quit smoking. What's your buddy's name, John Pendell? Johnell. Yeah,
he sounds like he should be wearing like a Jeane jacket,
(20:53):
might deaf Leppard and black like marker on the might
be and he might be as you met Johnny. He
was the guy in New York that's all guy in
the back of the van with us. Oh yeah, I
like that guy. I could totally see him in a
jean jacket with death leopard on the back. He U
he went through the cigarette program and a lot of
times it's like overeating or smoking and they'll basically what
they'll do is hypnotize you and reprogram your subconscious to
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like you're you're gonna feel nauseous every time you smoke
a cigarette. And it, you know, with varying degrees of success.
It's worked on some people, including John I think he
smokes now, but that was years ago. Again, though, I mean,
did it really work. It worked for a little while.
If he didn't work because he believed it there It's
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not just that though. I mean a lot of cancer
patients apparently undergo hypnosis to get through uh chemotherapy or
to try and heal right period, and a lot of
people swear by that. Um. Same with childbirth. UM. Then
there's somewhere you're getting in some areas where it's like no, no,
if this is a placebo effect phenomenon, like we shouldn't
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be using this at all, Like for sick. Yeah for sure. Yeah,
because we talked about implanning false memories, there's a likelihood
of that. Yeah. What they'll do in forensic is they'll
they'll get someone who has like a suppressed memory of
like an awful crime, and they'll hypnotize them to bring
out these like details of the crime scene. But that's
really controversial when it's used at all. Um there's also
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um oh, isn't there another one, Chuck? Well, just regular
psychotherapy if you have like phobias or h fears, you know,
subconscious fears, which is much like the habit control hypnotic treatment,
except it's more usually more um guided towards things like
phobias rather than quitting smoking. Right, But it uses a
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lot of the same tricks, like rather than you'll be nauseous,
the next time you get afraid of flying, right, it
will be it would? It would? I guess kind of
instill in you self confidence or something like that, like
you are you don't need to be afraid of this
plane wreck. You'll it'll be over eventually. This is gonna
be a email generator. I think I think we'll get
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both sides of the coin on this. A lot of
people are gonna say, no, dude, I was hypnotized and
it was real. Or I went and saw that Vega
show and you don't know anything. It was hysterical, right,
Or I think it's bunk and I'm I'm a skeptic.
I think skeptics you're kind of wired that way. You're
either skeptic or you're more inclined to believe things. I changed.
I've done a complete one eighty. I was thinking the
(23:25):
other day how much how surprised I am and what
is skeptic I become? Did you at least I love
everything that like without thinking Like I I used to
think Genghis Khan killed like one point eight million people
in an hour. I thought it because it was awesome.
It was an awesome thing to think. And now today
I was reading it was actually today I was reading
this hypnosis article and I was like, this is bunk,
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Like I can barely make it through this article. Yeah,
And and I realized, just like how much I've changed
in that respect. I think you get older and you
get a little more cynical and less prone to buy
an to stuff. Do you want to hear any more? Um,
there's there's like a whole slew of cultural cultural bound
culture bound mental illnesses that are like if you live
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in a culture that accepts this as fact. There's one
that I just want to tell you one, but if
you're ever interested, you should go check out culture bound
mental illnesses. There's lots of sites that have lists and
descriptions of them. But there's one called CORO and it
afflicts Malaysians possibly Indians. There's like, there's large populations that
believe in this that under certain circumstances, like after you've
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had sex with the prostitute or engage in masturbation, if
you're feeling particularly guilty about this, you may suffer from CORO.
And CORO is the belief that your genitalia male and
female are shrinking into your body. It can also happen
from eating unclean food or whatever. So the idea is
that if people really believe this, then it will happen,
or they just believe it's happening, and so that's what matters.
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They believe it's happening, and that's what matters. This is
why it's classifies a mental illness because it doesn't actually happen,
but they'll take steps to prevent it from happening, like
putting hooks into their breasts to pull them back out,
tearing off their son's penises to keep them from keep
it from spreading. Yeah, so, but that's culturally bound. Like
if you did that in the US, everybody be like,
you're absolutely nuts. You do it there, it's like, oh yeah, koro, Yeah.
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I think that's what hypnosis says. It gives you in
the United States. Carte blanc two act in ways that
you would be embarrassed by normally because you're hypnotized, So
the rest of us aren't judging you interesting. I don't
think that makes you skeptic. Thanks, thanks man, because I
started to hate that little rotten pardon me skeptic. So
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if you want to learn more about hypnosis or find
out the fate of Chuck based on the fixed gaze
induction that he underwent, Yeah that time, you can type
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a special announcement time. This is a plug fest. It
is plug Fest uh in October. In mid October and Atlanta, Georgia.
We're gonna have a couple of things going on. One
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is an officially sanctioned trivia night at the Five Seasons
Brewery West Side. Can look it up on the internet.
It's gonna scene. Is it on Mary Et or how
All Mill? It's on Maryatt I believe, but look it up.
It's easy to find sorted near Georgia Tech. It's right
by where how A Mill and Marriot to come together,
I think at that point. Yeah, so they have a
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cool scene there on the roof and it's gonna be awesome.
We're gonna have our all star Trivia. We have got
some celebrity guests booked. We have Mr John Hodgman of
The Daily Show, author and actor John Hodgman. Yes, who
I am sure. I would say a hundred and forty
of our audience is a huge fan of Yeah, don't
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call him the PC guy. I've actually had to stop
myself last two guys time. Actually, he's he's very cool
about that. He's very thankful for that job. So it's
not like he's like don't call me that. Yeah, I
don't ever want to discuss that again, right does that's
our Hodgman impression? It sounds nothing. We have the guy
who used to play um Bow Duke and the classic
seventies TV show The Dukes of Hazzard, Mr Joe Randazzo.
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He's going to be joining us now. He is the
editor in chief of the Onions. Yes, he quit The
Dukes of Hazard. Gotta get work somewhere. America's finance a
new source. Joe was coming down from New York with John.
I wonder if they were going to ride down on
the same planet. Uh. And Dave willis local legend from
Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network. Dave was a co
creator of Aquitine Hunger Force, squid Billy and the Awesome
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squid Billy said he seen squid Billy, it's so great,
and uh, we land a day and we're like super
super psyched that he's going to be here for this.
So what we're saying is you can come to Five
Seasons Brewery in Atlanta no matter where you are on
October three, which is the Wednesday. It's a work night,
but just take the next day off trivia you will
be worth it to play us Hodgement, Randazzo, Willis and
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possibly a couple of others in trivia for free. Just come,
you buy your own drinks or whatever. And apparently have
you seen the menu at this place? Oh it's good, awesome,
that's where I had the cow cheek cheeks are the taste.
He's part of any animal that I didn't care for
it really then it makes me stay and I've been
like it. We'll get you some sweet print sometimes. But
you can come and hang out with these guys and yeah,
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they're all very approachable. Yeah, and we'll just play us
in trivia. See what you got, bring your books, your
John Hodgman books. He's got a couple of books out
that I'm sure you'd be happy to sign. Probably will
do that again. Uh, if you have an email about
our trivia event, yeah, we have the other it to
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the non sanctioned event though. Oh yeah, go ahead. The
night before trivia Tuesday, October twelve, our buddies, the Henry
Clay people are in town. Yeah, at just Drunken UNI.
Right by chance, they are in town. Uh, doing a
headlining show this time, which is awesome at the Drunken
Unicorn on Constant Leon Avenue, and I imagine it'll be
sort of a late show. It's one of those kind
of clubs. But you're gonna be there, right Oh yeah, yeah,
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Josh and Umi will be there, and Emily and I'll
be there, and Jerry. We're gonna make you come even
if you don't want to. And I think hopefully Joe
is going to be in town and go with us.
We'll see day before and we asked John if you
would be there too, so we'll see and um, yeah.
If you're not familiar with the Henry Clay people, they
had a song on Gossip Girls. Did you know that?
Oh really? Yeah for them, camera what it's called. But
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that's a big time make a little coin. Yeah, I'm
sure probably not. I'm sure they're They're label is just like, yeah,
here's some tires for your road trip. So that is
a non sanctioned, non official event, but we want to
encourage people come out to that show, hang out with us,
hang out with the band, give Jordan the keyboard player
or some Greek for having line disease. You picked it
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up at Chuck's house from be a good time. We
want to pack it out for those guys. Uh, it
won't be hard junking Unicorn holds like fifty people. So yeah,
you're right. So again, Chuck said that was a non
sanctioned event. I guess marketing was all over and for
that one, just being you just c O A c
O A buddy. Thanks man. If you want to send
us an email about our Atlanta event, you got any
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questions anything like that, you can um post it on Facebook, uh, Facebook,
dot com, slash stuff you should know. You could ask
me on Twitter as Gus. We tweet at s y
s K podcast and you can also email us at
stuff podcast at how stuff works dot com for more
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