November 27, 2019 • 15 mins
In 1969, the Army Corps of Engineers turned off one of the main waterfalls at Niagara Falls to see what could be done to preserve it. They found two corpses, one carcass and lots of pennies.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. There's Charles, there's Jerome.
This is Joshua. This is short Stuff the Legend. How
you doing. I'm doing good man. I'm pretty excited about
this one. Have you ever been to Niagara Falls? I have?
What's it like? Uh? Watery, damp, It's very pretty. It's
(00:26):
actually really need it's it's definitely worth seeing. Which falls
did you see? We went on the American side, but
then you know, when we got to the Canadian side,
we stopped and turned around and looked again. It's a
It's really definitely a site to see, for sure. Yeah,
I mean, I guess we should point that out for
people like me who have never been to Niagara Falls,
that there are a few falls. If you're American and
(00:48):
you don't want to leave the country, you can see
the American side, right if you want to see something that,
to my eye on images online looks better. The Canadian
Horseshoe Falls look pretty nice. H They're better, right, I
don't want to say better because I'm an American, but
they are much larger, there's much a much larger volume
(01:11):
of water. It's much more graceful, and they're separated by
a Goat Island, and then there's cute little bridal Veilfall
separated from the American Fall by Luna Island. Yeah, so
there's technically three falls with Niagara Falls, and um, what's
surprising to me, Chuck, is is um in researching this,
(01:32):
like that set up where you've got the American Falls,
bridle Veil Falls, and then the Horseshoe Falls in the
Canadian side. That's only like five eight hundred years old. Yeah,
that seems old, but uh, I believe that. I don't
know why that sounds reasonable to me. Okay, well, that's
like I can't keep my socks on every time I
hear that. Yeah, because you think of something like a
(01:52):
geological feature like a waterfall, it's got to be ancient, right,
But the idea that it's only been that way for
five hundred eight hundred years kind surprising, until, of course,
then you look into a little further and you see, oh, well,
this this waterfall is just eroding the earth beneath it
so quick that Yeah, it's it's of course it's not
always been this way. It just totally makes sense. Yeah,
(02:14):
and that erosion, you know, the the bottom of the
falls is pretty uh, intimidating. It's very rocky and uh jagged,
big boulders. That's why going over a barrel. We did
a podcast, I guess if you want to call it,
that may many years ago in our early days, about
going over the falls in a barrel. Then it's incredibly dangerous. Yeah,
(02:35):
it is very dangerous. And those rocks, though, haven't always
been there. There were two rock falls in the nineteen
thirties and the nineteen fifties, specifically under the American Falls,
and that left a lot of bowlers underneath. And some
people said, well that is just unsightly, and frankly, it's
probably not very patriotic to let the Canadians best us
with their much more beautiful waterfall. Now, so we've got
(02:58):
to figure out what to do about us, because we
can't just let the American Falls go away, that's right.
And who do you call when you need something like
this done? You know that you call the Army Corps
of Engineers. And they said, well, really, the only way
to find out what's going on is to dry up
this waterfall. And everyone at the table spit out their
coffee and they said, you're crazy. It's it's nineteen nine.
(03:22):
What are you talking about? And they said, you know,
it's really not that hard. Yeah, it really isn't. So
they hired a construction company and they built a Coffer dam,
which I believe we talked about in the Hoover Dam episode.
It's just like a mound of earth that is holding
water back, um, that's not normally there. And they built
that at the point like the fork where the American
(03:44):
Falls began, and they diverted the Niagara River mostly over
to the Horseshoe Falls, a little bit to the Bridle Falls.
But then that was it. Like the water stopped flowing
over the Niagara the American Fall and it virtually ride
everything up. It was kind of easy if you if
you think about it. I mean, it was a massive,
(04:04):
huge project, but it wasn't technically that hard. Yeah. It
was close to twenty eight thousand tons of phil So
that's a lot of a lot of dirt and rock
and fills. It's a lot of fills. Um. But when
you think about the fact that the Horseshoe Fall accounts
for of the dump anyway, like they couldn't damn a
(04:26):
Porshoe fall. There's no way, right, I I don't believe
so no, I don't think the American Fall could take it.
The other thing I wonder too, is if when they
did this, if he could tell a difference at Horseshoe Fall. Yes,
I read that you could really most decidedly cooler. Right,
I'm teen percent more inspired. I love it. Yeah, the
rainbows around it were ten percent brighter. It was just
(04:48):
you could really tell. Well, should we take a little break? Well, sure, man,
all right, let's take a break and find out exactly
what they did once they had these dry falls right
after this, so again, chuck there. They dried up Niagara
(05:22):
Fall because they wanted to figure out how to keep
it from roading and possibly how to clean it up,
like clean up all those boulders that talus at the
bottom from those rock falls, because they were worried about
it looking ug basically, that's right. But here's the thing,
uh that, And you should look up pictures of this
if you're not driving your car, because it's pretty remarkable,
it really is to see this thing, uh dried up
(05:42):
like that. I mean, it just looks like a you know,
really flat mountain basically like a cliff, which is what
it is. But they couldn't keep it all dry that
face they had to keep wet because it had never
been dried out and exposed to the sun and the wind,
and they were rightfully worried about what might happen, so
they had to keep spray in that face kind of
(06:04):
continually from what like June to November. Yeah, they installed
the sprinkler system to do it, and they didn't have
just a bunch of people right to standing there like
this is the worst summer job of all time, that's right.
But then they had to clean out the riverbed, so
they sam blasted out um a bunch of stuff, and
they get the moss off, and they sprayed all these
rocks clean and got all the loose gravel out of there.
(06:27):
And they really wanted to see what was going on,
you know, geologically, so they injected blue dye uh into
the They drilled down into the riverbed injected blue dye,
and they were like, let's let's see what happens. Let's
sit back and have have a t and see where
this blue comes out. And then some of the more
excited workmen among them and be like, oh, there it
is there, it is something. When the blue die started
(06:50):
to emerge and they clap him point and laugh. That's right. Um.
They also installed something called extensive meters, which are pretty interesting.
They're little sounds so made up there it does. It
also sounds like something a mad villain would would use,
but it measures the movement of the rock in the
foundation or the bed or the riverbed of the American
(07:12):
Falls to to basically look out for any movement greater
than one one h of an inch. This is pretty specific,
very specific. And they also installed little metal posts called
monuments which they can use in the future and have
used in the future, um to survey the area and
see if they've moved at all, if the riverbed has
moved at all, in the hopes that they will be
(07:32):
able to catch a rock fall from happening or erosion
from happening before it happens. That's right. And they did
find a place where they thought it was pretty susceptible
in the future to occur, and that was a prospect point. Uh.
This had already been a place where they had a
rock fall in the nine, which is the one that
kind of kick started this whole plan to begin with.
(07:54):
So prospect point is a problem quite frankly, yes, although
this was uh the last time it happened. It has
happened since. No, it hasn't. And I think some people
might be a little surprised because this is nineteen sixty nine,
where they're like, uh, this is probably where it's going
to happen next again, and it just still hasn't. It
was a summer of love, it was. That's so funny.
(08:16):
Look I haven't written down here the summer of Love underneathing.
Did you get that email? Yeah? Yeah, apparently we've been
saying summer of Love is at anything but nineteen sixty seven,
then that is officially the summer of Love. I did
not know that, so I always thought it was sixty
eight For some reason, I always thought it was sixty nine.
All right? Well, uh in show correction short stuff style. Yes,
(08:37):
So back to the dry bed. You would think who
would want to come see a dried up Niagara Falls,
And it turns out a lot of people would you not? Well,
I mean, I haven't been this. I would want to.
I don't know if that would want that to be
my first trip right right? Or you would definitely want
to go back a second time when it's in full
swing first, or maybe actually that would be the time
(08:59):
to go because you could see that and Horseshoe Falls
and get the best of both worlds. Yeah. So so
some people were thinking like that and thought like this
is amazing. There was one weekend in mid July where
nine people streamed through there um to see, you know,
because this is this is kind of a once in
a lifetime thing to see Niagara Falls dried up or
the American Falls at least. But overall that tourist season
(09:22):
was pretty pretty lame because a lot of people were like, well,
I guess it's under construction. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna pay for that road trip to go see a
Lamo fall. Yeah. And the original plan was there, like
let's try this thing out and invite people out to
walk around and do stuff. They kind of were like,
it's a little too wet still, and it's probably still
(09:43):
kind of dangerous. So it was in August finally that
they deemed it dry enough for people to go out safely.
I think that they never allowed people up on the cliff,
did they. Well, they built a fence on the brink,
so I think I don't know how close to the
brink they were loued to be, but I get the
impression that all throughout the summer, whether they were allowed
(10:04):
out there or not, people would go run out on
the riverbed and just like hang out, and then they
would be chased off by the army corps, like we
might not have guns, but we have sextants. Another thing
they did, and I just consider this very bad luck,
people would go out and collect wish coins. I just
(10:25):
didn't that bad luck. I don't know, those are people's wishes.
We've seen the good eats. Yeah, yeah, but the wishes
have come and gone. I mean, come on, if it's
not if they hadn't been granted by now, they're not
going to be granted. You know, let's give those coins
another shot. I guess. So it just seems I don't know,
it doesn't seem right. That's like that one part in
the Simpsons, the beer baron episode where they're driving through
(10:47):
the cemetery and bar goes, Dad, it's bad luck to
run over gravestones, and Homer goes, really, I heard good,
it's good luck. Um. One thing they did find, and
it's kind of amazing they didn't find more dead bodies,
but they did find too. One of them was a
pretty recent one that they were actually looking for this guy.
(11:09):
They saw this guy dive into the river about a
week before, so they knew he would be in there.
But what they didn't know is that they would find
a very creepy find woman in a red striped dress
who had been down there for a long time. It says,
lodged head first into the talus. Didn't that's so ghoulish.
And she had a gold ring inscribed with forget me not. Yeah,
(11:34):
and then the irony of that is that she's never
been identified. Yeah, that seems remarkable to me. It doesn't. Man.
I looked. I was like, I don't know how else
to word the search, but I didn't find anything about
that woman being identified ever. Um, so I don't. And
I'm also not sure that the guy who jumped the
week before they turned the water off was ever identified
as well. It was, but they they yeah, he was
(11:58):
mistaken for a worker by some people who's um initially
jump in and then they were like, oh wait, that
that guy. That's not good. Yeah, but but yeah, a
lot of people are surprised that they didn't find more
bodies because there's a lot of people who die by
suicide or just do something dumb and and go over
the you know, falls in a barrel or whatever, like
it's it's a well known place to do that. And
(12:19):
only two bodies is kind of strange. Yeah, they found
one deer carcass, which that's kind of surprising. I just
thought it would be littered with carcasses. I think that's
kind of what they were half expecting to It was
probably a good you know, they were delighted by that.
I'm sure they were. Yeah. So by November they're like, Okay,
(12:40):
we've figured out everything we can figure out. We've kind
of shorted up as best we can. Um, from what
I read the the waterfall naturally eroded at like five
ft a year, and now they've got it down to
one because of this stuff they did in nineteen nine
and later nine two. But um, they said, okay, it's
time to turn the wall are back on, and they
(13:00):
did on get this November nine, which I believe was
fifty years and two days ago. Oh wow, isn't that
neat anniversary? Happy water Day, Reintroduction of water to Fall Day. Uh. Yeah.
And of course they had to do it slowly throughout
the course of a day. They couldn't just make some
(13:23):
big magnificent scene and say watch this everybody. I'm sure
they wanted to, but hang on to your duff's. Yeah,
I'm sure they did some math to figure out just
kind of how slow they needed to go with it.
But it was still probably pretty cool to see it all.
Bet it was, for sure. Um. And so what was
kind of heartening to me is they said, Okay, we
learned a lot. Actually we can probably keep this thing
(13:45):
from a roading, but should we? And this joint task
force to kind of preserve Niagara Falls, but a joint
commission between Canada and the US said, well, what are
the residents around here? Thinks? So they sent out little
mailers and asked, like two thousand residents in Canada and
on the U. S side, what do you guys think
(14:06):
we should do? And the majority of people said, Hey,
it's a natural formation. Just leave it to nature. Leave
it be. So they did. I thought that was kind
of neat. I like it. They ask locally too, right,
They they asked local locally and acted locally. There you go.
Oh yeah. They were going to turn it off all
more time in two thousand nineteen to fix some bridges,
(14:28):
and I believe time has basically run out on that project,
so it might happen in let's cross our fingers, maybe
we can do a podcast live from the brink. That's
a really great idea, Chuck, Well, I guess that's the
end of short stuff Chuck, which means short stuff out.
(14:48):
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Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. There's Charles, there's Jerome.
This is Joshua. This is short Stuff the Legend. How
you doing. I'm doing good man. I'm pretty excited about
this one. Have you ever been to Niagara Falls? I have?
What's it like? Uh? Watery, damp, It's very pretty. It's
(00:26):
actually really need it's it's definitely worth seeing. Which falls
did you see? We went on the American side, but
then you know, when we got to the Canadian side,
we stopped and turned around and looked again. It's a
It's really definitely a site to see, for sure. Yeah,
I mean, I guess we should point that out for
people like me who have never been to Niagara Falls,
that there are a few falls. If you're American and
(00:48):
you don't want to leave the country, you can see
the American side, right if you want to see something that,
to my eye on images online looks better. The Canadian
Horseshoe Falls look pretty nice. H They're better, right, I
don't want to say better because I'm an American, but
they are much larger, there's much a much larger volume
(01:11):
of water. It's much more graceful, and they're separated by
a Goat Island, and then there's cute little bridal Veilfall
separated from the American Fall by Luna Island. Yeah, so
there's technically three falls with Niagara Falls, and um, what's
surprising to me, Chuck, is is um in researching this,
(01:32):
like that set up where you've got the American Falls,
bridle Veil Falls, and then the Horseshoe Falls in the
Canadian side. That's only like five eight hundred years old. Yeah,
that seems old, but uh, I believe that. I don't
know why that sounds reasonable to me. Okay, well, that's
like I can't keep my socks on every time I
hear that. Yeah, because you think of something like a
(01:52):
geological feature like a waterfall, it's got to be ancient, right,
But the idea that it's only been that way for
five hundred eight hundred years kind surprising, until, of course,
then you look into a little further and you see, oh, well,
this this waterfall is just eroding the earth beneath it
so quick that Yeah, it's it's of course it's not
always been this way. It just totally makes sense. Yeah,
(02:14):
and that erosion, you know, the the bottom of the
falls is pretty uh, intimidating. It's very rocky and uh jagged,
big boulders. That's why going over a barrel. We did
a podcast, I guess if you want to call it,
that may many years ago in our early days, about
going over the falls in a barrel. Then it's incredibly dangerous. Yeah,
(02:35):
it is very dangerous. And those rocks, though, haven't always
been there. There were two rock falls in the nineteen
thirties and the nineteen fifties, specifically under the American Falls,
and that left a lot of bowlers underneath. And some
people said, well that is just unsightly, and frankly, it's
probably not very patriotic to let the Canadians best us
with their much more beautiful waterfall. Now, so we've got
(02:58):
to figure out what to do about us, because we
can't just let the American Falls go away, that's right.
And who do you call when you need something like
this done? You know that you call the Army Corps
of Engineers. And they said, well, really, the only way
to find out what's going on is to dry up
this waterfall. And everyone at the table spit out their
coffee and they said, you're crazy. It's it's nineteen nine.
(03:22):
What are you talking about? And they said, you know,
it's really not that hard. Yeah, it really isn't. So
they hired a construction company and they built a Coffer dam,
which I believe we talked about in the Hoover Dam episode.
It's just like a mound of earth that is holding
water back, um, that's not normally there. And they built
that at the point like the fork where the American
(03:44):
Falls began, and they diverted the Niagara River mostly over
to the Horseshoe Falls, a little bit to the Bridle Falls.
But then that was it. Like the water stopped flowing
over the Niagara the American Fall and it virtually ride
everything up. It was kind of easy if you if
you think about it. I mean, it was a massive,
(04:04):
huge project, but it wasn't technically that hard. Yeah. It
was close to twenty eight thousand tons of phil So
that's a lot of a lot of dirt and rock
and fills. It's a lot of fills. Um. But when
you think about the fact that the Horseshoe Fall accounts
for of the dump anyway, like they couldn't damn a
(04:26):
Porshoe fall. There's no way, right, I I don't believe
so no, I don't think the American Fall could take it.
The other thing I wonder too, is if when they
did this, if he could tell a difference at Horseshoe Fall. Yes,
I read that you could really most decidedly cooler. Right,
I'm teen percent more inspired. I love it. Yeah, the
rainbows around it were ten percent brighter. It was just
(04:48):
you could really tell. Well, should we take a little break? Well, sure, man,
all right, let's take a break and find out exactly
what they did once they had these dry falls right
after this, so again, chuck there. They dried up Niagara
(05:22):
Fall because they wanted to figure out how to keep
it from roading and possibly how to clean it up,
like clean up all those boulders that talus at the
bottom from those rock falls, because they were worried about
it looking ug basically, that's right. But here's the thing,
uh that, And you should look up pictures of this
if you're not driving your car, because it's pretty remarkable,
it really is to see this thing, uh dried up
(05:42):
like that. I mean, it just looks like a you know,
really flat mountain basically like a cliff, which is what
it is. But they couldn't keep it all dry that
face they had to keep wet because it had never
been dried out and exposed to the sun and the wind,
and they were rightfully worried about what might happen, so
they had to keep spray in that face kind of
(06:04):
continually from what like June to November. Yeah, they installed
the sprinkler system to do it, and they didn't have
just a bunch of people right to standing there like
this is the worst summer job of all time, that's right.
But then they had to clean out the riverbed, so
they sam blasted out um a bunch of stuff, and
they get the moss off, and they sprayed all these
rocks clean and got all the loose gravel out of there.
(06:27):
And they really wanted to see what was going on,
you know, geologically, so they injected blue dye uh into
the They drilled down into the riverbed injected blue dye,
and they were like, let's let's see what happens. Let's
sit back and have have a t and see where
this blue comes out. And then some of the more
excited workmen among them and be like, oh, there it
is there, it is something. When the blue die started
(06:50):
to emerge and they clap him point and laugh. That's right. Um.
They also installed something called extensive meters, which are pretty interesting.
They're little sounds so made up there it does. It
also sounds like something a mad villain would would use,
but it measures the movement of the rock in the
foundation or the bed or the riverbed of the American
(07:12):
Falls to to basically look out for any movement greater
than one one h of an inch. This is pretty specific,
very specific. And they also installed little metal posts called
monuments which they can use in the future and have
used in the future, um to survey the area and
see if they've moved at all, if the riverbed has
moved at all, in the hopes that they will be
(07:32):
able to catch a rock fall from happening or erosion
from happening before it happens. That's right. And they did
find a place where they thought it was pretty susceptible
in the future to occur, and that was a prospect point. Uh.
This had already been a place where they had a
rock fall in the nine, which is the one that
kind of kick started this whole plan to begin with.
(07:54):
So prospect point is a problem quite frankly, yes, although
this was uh the last time it happened. It has
happened since. No, it hasn't. And I think some people
might be a little surprised because this is nineteen sixty nine,
where they're like, uh, this is probably where it's going
to happen next again, and it just still hasn't. It
was a summer of love, it was. That's so funny.
(08:16):
Look I haven't written down here the summer of Love underneathing.
Did you get that email? Yeah? Yeah, apparently we've been
saying summer of Love is at anything but nineteen sixty seven,
then that is officially the summer of Love. I did
not know that, so I always thought it was sixty
eight For some reason, I always thought it was sixty nine.
All right? Well, uh in show correction short stuff style. Yes,
(08:37):
So back to the dry bed. You would think who
would want to come see a dried up Niagara Falls,
And it turns out a lot of people would you not? Well,
I mean, I haven't been this. I would want to.
I don't know if that would want that to be
my first trip right right? Or you would definitely want
to go back a second time when it's in full
swing first, or maybe actually that would be the time
(08:59):
to go because you could see that and Horseshoe Falls
and get the best of both worlds. Yeah. So so
some people were thinking like that and thought like this
is amazing. There was one weekend in mid July where
nine people streamed through there um to see, you know,
because this is this is kind of a once in
a lifetime thing to see Niagara Falls dried up or
the American Falls at least. But overall that tourist season
(09:22):
was pretty pretty lame because a lot of people were like, well,
I guess it's under construction. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna pay for that road trip to go see a
Lamo fall. Yeah. And the original plan was there, like
let's try this thing out and invite people out to
walk around and do stuff. They kind of were like,
it's a little too wet still, and it's probably still
(09:43):
kind of dangerous. So it was in August finally that
they deemed it dry enough for people to go out safely.
I think that they never allowed people up on the cliff,
did they. Well, they built a fence on the brink,
so I think I don't know how close to the
brink they were loued to be, but I get the
impression that all throughout the summer, whether they were allowed
(10:04):
out there or not, people would go run out on
the riverbed and just like hang out, and then they
would be chased off by the army corps, like we
might not have guns, but we have sextants. Another thing
they did, and I just consider this very bad luck,
people would go out and collect wish coins. I just
(10:25):
didn't that bad luck. I don't know, those are people's wishes.
We've seen the good eats. Yeah, yeah, but the wishes
have come and gone. I mean, come on, if it's
not if they hadn't been granted by now, they're not
going to be granted. You know, let's give those coins
another shot. I guess. So it just seems I don't know,
it doesn't seem right. That's like that one part in
the Simpsons, the beer baron episode where they're driving through
(10:47):
the cemetery and bar goes, Dad, it's bad luck to
run over gravestones, and Homer goes, really, I heard good,
it's good luck. Um. One thing they did find, and
it's kind of amazing they didn't find more dead bodies,
but they did find too. One of them was a
pretty recent one that they were actually looking for this guy.
(11:09):
They saw this guy dive into the river about a
week before, so they knew he would be in there.
But what they didn't know is that they would find
a very creepy find woman in a red striped dress
who had been down there for a long time. It says,
lodged head first into the talus. Didn't that's so ghoulish.
And she had a gold ring inscribed with forget me not. Yeah,
(11:34):
and then the irony of that is that she's never
been identified. Yeah, that seems remarkable to me. It doesn't. Man.
I looked. I was like, I don't know how else
to word the search, but I didn't find anything about
that woman being identified ever. Um, so I don't. And
I'm also not sure that the guy who jumped the
week before they turned the water off was ever identified
as well. It was, but they they yeah, he was
(11:58):
mistaken for a worker by some people who's um initially
jump in and then they were like, oh wait, that
that guy. That's not good. Yeah, but but yeah, a
lot of people are surprised that they didn't find more
bodies because there's a lot of people who die by
suicide or just do something dumb and and go over
the you know, falls in a barrel or whatever, like
it's it's a well known place to do that. And
(12:19):
only two bodies is kind of strange. Yeah, they found
one deer carcass, which that's kind of surprising. I just
thought it would be littered with carcasses. I think that's
kind of what they were half expecting to It was
probably a good you know, they were delighted by that.
I'm sure they were. Yeah. So by November they're like, Okay,
(12:40):
we've figured out everything we can figure out. We've kind
of shorted up as best we can. Um, from what
I read the the waterfall naturally eroded at like five
ft a year, and now they've got it down to
one because of this stuff they did in nineteen nine
and later nine two. But um, they said, okay, it's
time to turn the wall are back on, and they
(13:00):
did on get this November nine, which I believe was
fifty years and two days ago. Oh wow, isn't that
neat anniversary? Happy water Day, Reintroduction of water to Fall Day. Uh. Yeah.
And of course they had to do it slowly throughout
the course of a day. They couldn't just make some
(13:23):
big magnificent scene and say watch this everybody. I'm sure
they wanted to, but hang on to your duff's. Yeah,
I'm sure they did some math to figure out just
kind of how slow they needed to go with it.
But it was still probably pretty cool to see it all.
Bet it was, for sure. Um. And so what was
kind of heartening to me is they said, Okay, we
learned a lot. Actually we can probably keep this thing
(13:45):
from a roading, but should we? And this joint task
force to kind of preserve Niagara Falls, but a joint
commission between Canada and the US said, well, what are
the residents around here? Thinks? So they sent out little
mailers and asked, like two thousand residents in Canada and
on the U. S side, what do you guys think
(14:06):
we should do? And the majority of people said, Hey,
it's a natural formation. Just leave it to nature. Leave
it be. So they did. I thought that was kind
of neat. I like it. They ask locally too, right,
They they asked local locally and acted locally. There you go.
Oh yeah. They were going to turn it off all
more time in two thousand nineteen to fix some bridges,
(14:28):
and I believe time has basically run out on that project,
so it might happen in let's cross our fingers, maybe
we can do a podcast live from the brink. That's
a really great idea, Chuck, Well, I guess that's the
end of short stuff Chuck, which means short stuff out.
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