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July 31, 2024 14 mins

ZIP codes are pretty self-explanatory, but there are all kinds of fun facts around the topic. Listen in to find out.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and
there's Chuck and we're here with Zippy. Mister Zip also
known as Jerry sitting in for Dave, who has nothing
to do with post office and this is short stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's right. I'm sure we probably talked about zip codes
to some degree in the post office.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
In our episode. Yeah, on zip codes.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
It was usps. We didn't do it on zip codes. Okay, good,
but we're gonna talk a little bit about zip codes.
That thing on the envelope, that's well, it depends on
how long it is. It depends. Well, we'll get to
what those numbers mean because some of them are a
little longer than others. If you want to talk about
the origin of just postal codes, it seems to be

(00:48):
from London because in eighteen fifty seven they started up
with ten different sections of London like North, South, WC, Western, Central,
just and the whole point of all this is to
you know, it's called a zone improvement plan for a reason.
It's to improve the way mail was delivered and just

(01:08):
to make it easier to sort and get out.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and it's whether it's eighteen fifty seven or twenty
twenty four. Zip codes and anything to do with zip
codes is something that's a consequence of more and more
people showing up into a more and more densely packed area.
It gets harder to deliver the mail the more people
there are. So if you can specify with greater detail,
you can make sure that that letter gets the right

(01:33):
person even faster, because if you just put the if
you just put the address on there and throw it
out into the street, it's going to take a while
for it to get where it's going.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, well, that's basically what we did until July first,
nineteen sixty three in the United States. We had you know,
the street number and street and then the city and
the state, and that was it. It feels like it
would be very weird for my eyes to see an
address with that of zip code because we grew up
with them. But you know, if you're around before sixty three,

(02:05):
it's sort of like us with the area codes now
on telephones, Like we grew up without area codes that
you had to dial first too.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
But there are forty one thousand, six hundred and forty
two zip codes in the United States. That number is
not necessarily always growing, because when I looked at the
source material, they're actually more than there are now, So
I guess they get combined or they shrink and things change. Sure,
but right now there's, like I said, forty one thousand,

(02:36):
six hundred and forty two.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
And the whole thing started back when a fresh faced,
up and coming young postal inspector from Philadelphia named Robert
Moon decided that it was time to improve the organization
at their mail center, and Moon came up with a
ZIP code for use in Philadelphia that was so sharp
and so whiz bang that the USPS totally ripped them

(02:59):
off in fired him so that he couldn't tell anybody
that they stole his idea.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
You shouldn't. But he did come up with the concept
of zip codes, and the USPS did take his idea
and run with it. But I don't think that they
fired him and tried to shut him up. I think
they're like, yeah, great, great idea, kid.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah exactly. His only had three digits at first, so
he could identify sort of the region where it was
going and then the city basically will will get probably
in the second half get to what they mean now.
But I did mention it was an acronym for Zone
Improvement Plan. They did get ZIP the USPS that has

(03:40):
got it trademarked, but they let it expire. I guess
when they realized that, like, what's anyone going to do
with the word zip? It really matters? You know?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah I don't. I don't get it at all. But yeah, so,
I mean, if you wanted to use zip code yourself,
then the Post Office is not going to sue you
for that because they can't.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
He's some hot merch.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So the before July first, nineteen sixty three when zip
codes debuted, and I'm sure for a while after until
people started using them, because it wasn't like an immediate
like left hand driving day. Was it Sweden or Denmark?
Like that happened on a specific minute and it was

(04:22):
That's the way it was. From that moment on, zip
codes were introduced and it took a little while to
catch on. But one of the reasons why zip codes
were introduced was again because more and more people were
moving into cities and at the time, if you mailed
a piece of mail, it usually went through about seventeen
stops from where you dropped it off to where it
ended up, and zip codes help improve that because it

(04:44):
narrows the location that it's going to head toward on
its journey, and at each stop, the information located in
the zip code tells the people at that stuff, Oh,
it needs to go this way, and then it needs
to go that way, and it needs to go here,
and then now it needs to go to this specific address.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, the zip codes should be first on the line
if you put it that way, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, for sure, somebody really dropped the ball. I'm looking
at Robert Moon.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I guess they know where to look, though, Like you said,
no one used it a lot at first, and it
had to gain steam. And one of the ways they
you know, they got the PR team on it, the
marketing team on it, and they they had mister zip
or Zippy like you kind of joked about Jerry as
a little little character in the nineteen sixties and seventies
when they had new zip codes coming out, and they
even had ethel Merman do a commercial singing to the

(05:35):
tune of Zippity DooDah to literally just sort of drive
the idea that like, hey, zip codes are here to stay.
Everyone get on board.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, honey, everything's coming. What movie is that from?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean I want to say airplane.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yes, it was airplane. Somebody echecked her with a sedative
while she was singing it was great.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
All right, let's take a break and we'll come back
and talk about how you decipher these things on all
those dumb numbers. Mean right after this, well, now we're
on the road, driving in your truck.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I want to learn a thing or two from josh Am. Chuck.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's stuff you should know.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
All right, Okay, Chuck, it's time for the most contentious
part of this short stuff. We're going to talk about

(06:38):
deciphering those numbers in an American ZIP code It's own
Improvement Plan code M. The first number is pretty non controversial.
We're in agreement. That stands for the national area, and
there's nine. No, there's ten national areas, number zero to nine.

(07:00):
Zero starts in the northeast, probably in honor of Robert Moon,
and then nine goes up the West coast, over to
Hawaii and up to Alaska. That's the first number. So
wherever that first number is, it's going to hit a
specific region of the United States that's called the national area.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, but you hit it on it with region. That's
the way people talk, and that's how people say it.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, that's the first number. What about the second number?
The next two numbers.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
The next two numbers, they start drilling down even more.
So the next two are going to be that is
specifically the region.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh oh wait, but how can the first number and then
the next two all be the region?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, it drills down. You use that first number to
get you to the general region, and then you go
down to an even smaller region in the next two numbers.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, also called a sectional center.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, the SCF right there on our page.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And then the sectional center can also be like a
large city itself. Yeah, so sure nine is like California,
and two is Beverly Hills, maybe Los Angeles. Because the
one to oh would be the next two numbers. That's

(08:22):
the actual post office that serves that area, or group
of post office that serve that delivery area.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah. And again it all depends on how big of
an area you live in, because once you get to
the plus four system, which came about in nineteen eighty three,
you're drilling down even more. Depending on how big of
a place you live. The first two numbers of the
plus four, which is separated by a dash from the
initial five the street or building, and then on the

(08:54):
second or the last two numbers of the plus four,
it can even go down to the side of the
street or the floor of building. So cool, as you'll see,
if you have a building big enough, you will have
your own plus four, potentially with what floor of the
building that letter is going to go to.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, In other words, the United States Postal Service knows
exactly where you are.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's right. And there are plenty of buildings with their
own postal code, including I guess the champion of them all,
which is the White House that has two zip codes.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, beat that, you can't do it. Apparently the President's family,
their personal private mail has its own ZIP code, and
then there's the regular one for the White House.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Not just the White House. There's also, like you said,
individual buildings. If it's a building big enough, it'll have
its own first two numbers of a plus four. My friend,
there are buildings so big they have their own ZIP
code itself.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I mean the Empire State Building obviously, the World
Trade Center had its own ZIP code. Sacks. Fifth Avenue
in New York City even has its own zip code.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, because sometimes it's not just big, it's important or
illustrious or glamorous. In the case of Sex.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Burning Man, this might be the fact of the show
for me. The Burning Man Festival has its own zip
code while it's for two weeks out of every summer.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, pretty cool, huh.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Eight nine, four to one to two.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
They're sometimes they're very temporary too, you know how you said.
Sometimes they grow, sometimes they retract the total number of
zip codes.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
An example of that was in two thousand and five
when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. Oh yeah, and a
lot of people ended up in Houston, and there were
so many there was such an influx of climate refugees
from New Orleans in Houston that they had to house
them in the Astrodome for a while, and to make
sure that those people could get mail and send mail,

(10:59):
they were given their your own zip code for the
Houston Astrodome for a little.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
While seven seven two three.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
H Yeah, there's a bit of trivia for you.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I grew up with three eight eight.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh. Mine was uh, let's see, Oh man, I wish
you hadn't just said that, because now I don't remember mine.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Really, I figured that'd be sort of drilled in like
your home phone.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
No, I've got the rest of the address and my
home phone. It's just the zip code I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, you could probably get it there.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And also it just doesn't matter. There is also another
way that they get pared down to is if your
town catches on fire for half a century. Oh sure,
like in Centralia, Pennsylvania, where the famous coal fire has
been burning for decades now, the Postal Service said we're
throwing in the towel on you guys in nineteen ninety

(11:52):
two and revoke their zip code.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
The supposedly the wealthiest zip codes are seven six two
oh Alpine, New Jersey, which I got to look that up,
but it just must be like a tony bedroom community
for New York or something.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Does not make any sense.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
And three three one oh nine Fisher Island, Florida. That
sounds very exclusive. It is not nine o two one
oh in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm sure there's a lot of money there, but it's
not the wealthiest.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
No. Sorry, everybody, sorry to burst your bubble. Nine O
two one o fans.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I gotta figure out what's going on in Alpine, New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, for real, it's it's it's surprising. There's another thing too.
Remember you talked about the PR Department getting going on
getting people to use zip codes in the sixties. Yeah,
one of the people they tapped was Santa Claus himself.
They gave Santa his own zip code nine ninety seven
oh one and said, little kids, if you want to
send Latyers of Santa, that's Santa's new zip code, so

(12:50):
put it on there. It's pretty right. I remember specifically
in one of our early Christmas holiday specials we talked
about how Canada gave Santa his for that country too,
And I think it's eight zero h zero h zero,
so it spells ho ho ho oh.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay. So, by the way, in real time, I just
looked up Outpine, New Jersey real quick. Okay, fewer than
two thousand residents, but they're all rich.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, that's kind of skewing the demo, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, for sure, Chris Rock, Tracy Morgan, Stevie, wonder Jah, Rule,
Lil Kim. So. I thought it might be like Elon
Musk lived in that county and that was the only
person or something. But it must just be a very
limited number of people and they're all loaded Tony.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like you said, it's like a per capita thing. That's
such a great use of that word. I like Tony,
if you like Tony. Oh wait, I was gonna end
this like a regular episode. But it's not a regular episode, Chuck,
which means that it just stops.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
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