SYSK Selects: What's the deal with Rasputin's death?

In this week's SYSK Select episode, Grigori Rasputin, the Russian charismatic cleric and political adviser to the ruling Romanovs, is said to have been poisoned, shot, shot again, bludgeoned and drowned. Exactly how did he die and how would such a legend grow around a modern figure?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everybody, it's me Josh and this week for s
Y s K Selects, I've selected our episode on rest Mutant,
the Mad Monk, and I remember it was recorded during
a weird time at House Stuff Works. For some reason.
We were recording in an old corner office and there
were weird blackout drapes on the windows. It was very odd,

(00:22):
but it lent itself perfectly to this episode. And a
heads up, I should say, Uh, this one has a
lot of talk about Genitalia, so if you're a parent,
you may just want to be aware of that. Are
we talking about rest mutin You're darn Tuton. Welcome to

(00:42):
Stuff you should know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey,
and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, This Charles W.
Choke Bryant, and this is stuff you should know the podcast.
That's right. Are we doing rest ut Yeah, we're doing rescuting.

(01:02):
No disputing, resputing, that's right. Actually there's a lot of disputing,
but there's tons of it. The man's whole life is
in dispute. Mystic, hypnotist, possible healer, porn star, Yeah pretty much,
not a porn star. He was into some freaky stuff.
He could have been. He's a big dude, six foot four. Yeah,

(01:24):
I saw that written down, And like, you know, there's
pictures of him, which is great because this is the
time in our world history where we had photographs of
these folks, right. But even even even that said, like
the fact that there are surviving photographs of him when
he was just some peasant Russia really speaks to the
impact that he had on the people around him totally.

(01:46):
There are very few Russian peasantry portraits, you know, or
studies of a specific person from like you know, eighteen
eighty eighteen ninety even that's a good point, um, But
there's pictures of Rescputing before he became famous in those
creepy eyes. Yeah, it depends on the photo. I think.
I think some of them they make a little more creepy.

(02:06):
Some of them look photoshop, yeah, like the glowing ones
and stuff. Plus also and he's like I think he
turns it on sometimes to like freak. Yeah, so yeah,
we're talking about recipe. I think everybody kind of has
a certain idea. He's also known as the Mad Monk,
and he was a prolific lover. Yeah, he's a kinky man, yeah. Um,

(02:32):
And he had the ear of the tsar and the Tsarina.
The last ones is our Nicholas the second and his
wife of the Romanoff. Yeah, the romanof It's another way
to put it. So Alexander, Alexandra and Nicholas the Second
um invited respute into their court, which we'll get into.
Let's just start chronologically here though. Like birth, Yeah, well

(02:56):
he was born Gregory if m a bitch resputing in
eighteen sixty nine Siberia. Imagine being born in Siberian eighteen
sixty nine is just a big ball of laughs, you know,
or in two thousand thirteen. Um, and he supposedly, although
this was disputed by his daughter, I believe. Yeah, I

(03:18):
want to say, for me, this is so much dispect
of the podcast. Resputant had children. Yeah, like, he had
a family. He was married from age twenty one and
they still exist apparently in in France. One of them
lives in Los Angeles. I believe porn Star. I don't
think so, but I mean think about it, Resputin and

(03:39):
to spare that in mind, he was married and had
a family. Yeah, this whole time, from from age twenty on. Yeah,
that's a little weird actually, so his daughter, I believe,
disputed this, but apparently early on his religious activity was
um and he was involved with a group called the
Clists with a K in an age why and then

(04:01):
everything else normal and then um they were into some serious,
like you know, sexual activity like self flagellation that that
erupted into orgies, self flagellation in front of a group,
and then people would be like, Okay, it's humpy time. Yeah,
with the idea that in order to cleanse yourself of sins,

(04:22):
you just had to do a lot of that sin.
Is that right, Yeah? And the reason that they would
have orgies was because it was part of their religious
belief was that if somebody was having trouble with sin,
you had to help them work it out get rid
of the sin by doing the sin right. And apparently
it was a sin to have an orgy, and so
they did it a lot. Interesting and they were hated

(04:43):
among the Russians. Basically, they were mistrusted. They were just
viewed on upon as weird, and they were actually fairly subversive,
and they knew that they were viewed like this. So
one of the tenants of being a Clist was that
you went to the church the Russian Orthodox and you
were fervent and outspoken and super into the Russian Orthodox

(05:05):
Church by all outward appearances. That was what you did
if you were a clist. And then and then in
your dirty secret was you would whip yourself and have
sex with like twenty people at the same time. Exactly nice. Well,
like I said, His daughter disputed that he was involved,
although historians say that he was. So who knows. I
read that she said that he was rejected by the Clifts. Yeah,

(05:28):
well he might have. Well, never mind, we'll get to that.
He may have been too much for them. Um. So
he built his reputation traveling on Russia as a as
a healer, um, as a as a mystic and a preacher,
and eventually landed in St. Petersburg in nineteen o five
somehow got introduced to the aforementioned zar and Zarina. Yeah,

(05:51):
but before that he had become he had undergone a
religious conversion. Apparently from about the age of twelve he
was like doing it with anything he could get his
hands on. Um. And I don't know what age, but
I would say before between twelve and twenty, some monk
came through town, came through the village and said, you

(06:11):
know what, I think you should come with me the monastery.
I think you're kind of special. You've got some talent exactly,
young man. So he took him to the monastery and
and that's where Resputing underwent this religious conversion there and
came out like for like really fervently religious, like the
real deal. Um, he actually walked from Russia to Palestine
and back walked. That's not a short trip. Is there

(06:34):
disputing that or is that not that I understand? Okay,
I haven't seen that disputed, but I think I think
that's a that's a good point to bring up. Anything
that sounds even remotely a stretch that's attached to Resputing
you should probably take with a grain of salt. Yeah,
Because I mean, because he was such an odd, unique
individual in art in the world history, there's been like

(06:56):
countless stories and I'm sure at the time they were
just like rampant story about who this guy was. Yeah,
and not only that, most of them were written and
spread by his enemies. He's a very hated person contemporarily,
so the original accounts are of people who are trying
to make him look bad. And then people started basing
biographies on those original accounts, And that's why he's got

(07:18):
such a bad reputation. There's so much lower and legend
and comfabulation surrounding him. That's so you you don't really
know much about him. Well he was for him, he
was just like, I'm just just a giant Siberian monk
looking for a good time. Everyone out to get me.
Why everybody got so many hang ups? The haters. So yeah,
he makes it. He's already kind of known as a

(07:41):
star a start it, uh, star it starts, a religious advisor.
By the time he gets to St. Petersburg and he's
hanging out there, he's like, we're gonna make it in
the big city. This is where the Romanovs live. This
is a good place for me to be. And apparently he,
like you said, impressed somebody in enough that he was
taken to the Roman Austin introduced to them at court.

(08:03):
This is might as well be boogie nights. Yeah it is,
you know. Yeah, he's Eddie from the Valley Um. Alright,
So he does get introduced and warms his way into
the inner circle, not warms his way through. He earned
his place in the inner circle. Hee did by healing
um hemophiliac son Alexis, who was the heir to the

(08:23):
throne and very important to keep around and alive. And uh,
he was the only boy in the family. Yeah, despite
being a hemophiliac, he would do dumb things like rid
horses and fall off them. And apparently on the first
time that happened. The second time, um, he was not
doing so hot and respute and supposedly healed him, possibly
through hypnosis. So with hemophilia, I didn't really realize this.

(08:45):
I always thought hemophilia was where you cut yourself and
like the your your wound would cloth. It's that as well,
right or not it is, yeah, but I thought that
was it. Right. Apparently, the much bigger problem is with
internal bleeding. You know what's going on, right, And that's
what Alexei had. And uh, they were worried about him
becoming a more fanatic, so they wouldn't give him any morphine,

(09:08):
so he would just suffer like this, these bouts of
internal bleeding and resputing. The doctors couldn't do anything. And
resputing came along the first time and and basically just
took away his pain. Yeah, And in the nineteen twelve
that happened again. This is after the horse fall, um,
and he was I believe not there at the time,
and Zarina gave him a ring and said, hey, respute,

(09:31):
and we need you to do your thing again. And
he sent a telegram that said, don't sweat it. He's
going to recover the next day. And I guess, like
you know, long distance hypnosis or whatever happened, or maybe
healing prayers, who knows, maybe none of that. Yeah, there's
also a hypothesis that he just he exerted the first
calming influence over the house about this matter that anyone

(09:54):
ever had, and that that in and of itself had
a some sort of healing effect. I think supposedly he
was known to be a very calming figure with hemophilia.
I think to lowering your stress levels will help. Yeah,
I'll bet yeah. Man, the stress is a killer, isn't it.
It is literally so Um. At the same time, while

(10:16):
this is all going on, uh, like you said, there
were people out there that did not like him, um,
one of which not the least of which was Prime
Minister Peter Stolepin. And he was like gathering a case,
putting a case together basically to present and get him
ousted from the from the court saying, this guy's a
crazy sex per bard. Yeah, I think he was not

(10:37):
the first one to accuse him of being a clist,
but like really was taking that and running with it,
like he wanted him gone. And he died shot at
the opera before he could make this case. And some
say that old Czar Nicholas might have been behind that,
but we don't know that for sure. Yeah, he was bizarre. Yeah,
they were into referens very well in Russia at the
turn of the century. Was especially not a cover up

(10:59):
scan else. Um, So Peter Stolypin comes up, he tries
it fails, not try to kill him, just try to
get him removed. Um we should. Let's let's provide a
little backshop here. At about this time, this is a
ninetelve um. The Russia is undergoing the world is undergoing

(11:21):
a huge transition from agriculture two industrialization, and the Russian
peasantry loves the czar. They love those guys. But yeah,
in the cities, in urban working classes developing, and they
don't love the czar. They don't. They think the czar

(11:42):
is disconnected, out of touch. Is back in these agrarian
days and everybody's moving forward into the factories, and that
there's no that the Czar has no um love for
these new people. And this is where Lennon came from,
and the Bolsheviks came from, where these factories. So this
is all going on in the background that in Russia.
Outside of Russia, Europe is going to war for World

(12:04):
War One. So Russia is torn between these domestic problems
and these international problems, and it's headed by a family
that is becoming viewed as increasingly out of touch with
what's going on in Russia and therefore have are losing
legitimacy pretty quickly. And now all of a sudden, there's

(12:26):
this weird guy who humps anything that moves and has
the ear of the Czar and the Czarina and who
where did he come from? What is what's going on? Yeah,
and increasingly less influence on the czar apparently over the years,
but increasingly more influence on the Czarina. She was way
into him, especially after he healed the sun twice, or

(12:47):
supposedly did, and she definitely believed he did. So, Yeah,
that's all exactly, that's all it took. And uh, he
even called the Mama and Papa, Yeah, it was interesting.
I think that's manipulative. He was probably I take it
from my impression that he was being manipulative by calling
them that. And I'll bet it was creepy. I bet

(13:07):
it was. So he's in the newspapers and stuff. He's
he's becoming a well known guy. And I'm sure the
industrialists are reading this. And like you said, he was
this guy that's at the center of all this, and
he's got this great influence and who who even is he? Even? Well,
he he had not only influence, but once once Russia
joined World War One, um, well it was our Nicholas

(13:32):
goes off to command the army, and um the Czarina
is left in charge, which means Ran Sputin is sort
of in charge, but very close to being in charge himself.
And he was in a position to stack well paying,
high level government jobs with friends who were incompetent and inept,

(13:52):
and they almost completely undermine the infrastructure of Russia. Like
trains didn't operate, um, armaments weren't built for the war effort,
people weren't fed. There was like nobody running the show
and nobody who knew what they're doing. I was running
the show and it was all resputants fault and this

(14:13):
was the last straw. Yeah, this is what led to
the revolution. Well and also to some murder attempts. Well, yeah,
he's like Bob Marley. People would try to kill him
and it just didn't happen. You know. The first one
on sixteen, Um, this woman Konia because Mishna Gouseva. Oh
that was good, Chuck, thank you. Apparently was sent by

(14:36):
a former friend of his name Sergey Truvanov. He was
a monk who was tight with Resputant, but they split
up in nineteen eleven because he was kind of disgusted
by his you know, humpiness, and uh apparently sent this
woman to murder him. And she stabbed him in the
stomach um and like it was gnarly. Apparently he had

(14:59):
some entrail hanging out. It was easily immortal wound. But
here in the article article they just said like he
healed a few weeks later. It made it sound like
he healed himself. He had like surgeries and I think
it was like, you know, eight to ten weeks of recuperation.
I don't think there was like any mystery to that,
but they did manage to save his life. Um. But

(15:19):
he wasn't the same after that. He became an opium
user and the daughter UM was one that was just
like it was just different after that. That sucks. He
had bad like stomach problems um, which we'll get too later.
Actually that that'll play a role. See, there's one other
aspect of respute, and that I kind of gathered about
him from researching him, and that was like he had

(15:41):
this um, he had this thing he had. He had
kind of a light, he had an exuberance, He he
loved life. He UM. He didn't seem to be a
even though he's been accused of all sorts of manner
of crimes. We don't really know what he did or
didn't do back then because again contemporary sources are like

(16:02):
is he the devil? But he seemed to have something
that was really neat about him, Like he was somebody
that I think a lot of people wanted to be around.
And the idea that like that went out of his
stomach wound. Let's say it is not as sad as
what ultimately happens to him, but but let's keep going,
all right, What ultimately happened is a plot was hatched

(16:24):
and we'll get to the the newer, possibly truer story.
But here's the original story. Prince Felix yusup Off. He
was the the husband of the niece of the Czar
Nicholas on December. He was also the gay lover of
the person who was also an heir to the throne

(16:47):
if Alexei didn't make it who the Brits favored. So
he was married to the niece and the gay lover
of Yeah, he had both his basis cover basic exactly
look good for him. En, that's pretty you know, forward thinking. Sure, so,
uh he plotted to we're all going to evolve into
bisexual maybe he uh he plotted to kill Respute and

(17:10):
to save Russia. And here's where things really like. The
details of how this went down are really highly disputed
this day. Um. Supposedly, yeah, supposedly he invited him over
said hey, uh, come take a look at my wife.
He'd like her. I also read that he said we
got a gypsy wine party going on over here, and
recipuinges like I'm there. Well, here's here's the deal. Though.

(17:31):
He gets there. He he laces pastries and cakes and
wine with cyanide enough to kill like five men supposedly
respute and starts chowing down, nothing happens. The daughter disputes
this and said he would not. He had bad stomach
problems after his stabbing incident, and he didn't drink wine
or eat sweets anymore. That's what she said, Well, that

(17:53):
explains it. Later finding that's what she said, Um, it
does explain later filling perhaps, but he hyper acidity in
the stomach, and she's like, he just wouldn't have been
doing that, or possibly he was immune. That was another theory,
which I think is bunk, that he had taken part
of mithridoticism, which is like slowly building up your immunity

(18:15):
to poison by ingesting small amounts of poison. I've been
doing that for years, I'm sure yea oh is that why? Okay? Um?
Or maybe they said have a theory that the cyanide
might have vaporized when they baked the stuff in cakes.
Oh yeah, the high temperatures. But at any rate, the
poison had no effect on him, and they were like,
what is going on with this creep? Like he could

(18:36):
have killed ten men with the stuff or an ox
used to POV later said really so, they said, I
don't know what we'll do. Let's just shoot him in
the back, easy peasy, easy peasy, and uh he did
so he fell down and died. That they fought. He
checked his pulse first, they went upstairs and partied. Well,

(18:56):
they checked him out and then like he's dead, let's
go part And then he came back down I think
to get a coat or something and checked him again
to get I think that's what the story, how the
story goes really Yeah, and um, that's when resputants just
like he comes alive and like attacks the guy after
they shot him twice in the back, right, I think

(19:18):
at least once two times at that point, I think
so they ended up being four total, with one in
the forehead, which we'll get to his Well, Okay, so
they shot him once and then they came back downstairs
and he's still moving. Not only not only is he
still alive, he manages to get to his feet and
bust out the door and out into the yard, out

(19:38):
into Eusten POV's yard. And that's when they shot him twice, yeah,
and beat him like severely. There's pictures of his body
like he was severely beaten with a rubber club. Um,
tied him in a blanket, dumped his body in the
Neva River. So let's go over this again. Shot in
the back. Once he gets up, goes outside. They shoot

(19:58):
him two more times. They beat him with the club,
They wrap him up in a blanket. Somebody shot him
in the forehead too. There was a fourth shot. Okay,
shot him in the forehead, wrap up in a blanket,
drop him into a frozen river that they've carved a
hole into, and then that's that for resputin. That's that
until they find him. And they found him and his
arm was outstretched like he'd managed to struggle free of

(20:22):
the blanket, right, he managed to partially free himself, indicating
that maybe he wasn't even dead when they put him
in the water. So they did an autopsy on him.
In the autopsy lists resputants mode of death as hypothermia,
not not not being shot four times, not being beaten
to death, including the forehead shot, which they all manner

(20:43):
of like evidence says that this is was a kill
shot by a professional. Yeah, but supposedly he died of hypothermia,
and thens seriously they didn't, although now that you've explained it,
not so mysteriously they didn't find arsenic in his system,
but that until I guess recently, I think as cyanide.
Cyanide okay um was a that was a big point

(21:04):
of lore, like he ate all this stuff, this paste,
this cyanide laced pastry, and like it didn't even show
up in a system. Well, it sounds like it didn't
show up in a system because he didn't actually eat
that stuff. And we have great cause to wonder if
he was beaten. Was he Yeah, he was beaten? Okay,
so he was shot four times and I guess he

(21:25):
was dumped in the river. But what's in dispute then him? Yeah?
Who shot him? And what was the actual cause of death?
Did he really free his arm or was that just
something that you know that happened? Like what was the
cause of death? And did they cut his penis? Well,
that's a big one to supposedly, man, all these double

(21:49):
I apologize, there's another one I haven't. I haven't met
a single. Oh my god, I just needed to stop.
So supposedly they may have uh cut his penis off
and it is changed hands throughout the year, maybe even
belonging to a French collector who loaned it to a
Russian museum to put on display for a little while.

(22:09):
There are pictures, um, and we just don't know if
that's it or not. If it is, it's ginormous good,
good for resputing, so much so that um apparently by
no one's actually tested it, but just looking at it,
some biologists feeling like that's a horse, that's from a
horse or a cow. Yeah, or as you said earlier,

(22:31):
it looked like a baby's arm holding an orange, And
I think so we don't know if that's his penis
or not. It's definitely adds another little strange sidebar to
the story. It definitely does. You know. Also we should
say that after he was buried in the Bolsheviks revolted. Um,
they dug him up and burned his body. Oh yeah,

(22:51):
because I don't think I knew that. We should say
the Bolsheviks did revolt. The Czar abdicated the crown in
March of I think nineteen seven, and team and then
the revolution happened. They were placed under house arrest, and
then very famously, the entire roman Off family, their doctor,
two servants in the family dog were all executed by

(23:12):
Bolshevik revolutionaries, including Anastasia. Yeah, and and resput and had
had predicted that as along with his own demise before
he died, writing if it was one of your relations
who have wrought my death, then no one in the family,
none of your relations, will remain alive for more than
two years. That was my resputing and that's what happened.

(23:34):
I mean, like the he was killed in uh December
the end of nineteen sixteen. They were killed before the
end of nineteen eighteen, so he was right. And apparently
he had also written that he didn't expect to make
it to January one. He was killed two days before it. Yeah,
there were disputes about the date too, but I think
they settled on December. So what's up with the weirdness now? Well,

(23:57):
they've dug into this more recently. The two thousands Scotland
Yard has a detective named Richard Cullen and a historian
named Andrew Cook, and they have a theory that I
think it's probably true that it was the s I S.
A British secret service, actually led the plot to kill
him uh and modern forensics believe they have tied the

(24:20):
gun in the caliber of the bullet in the forehead
was different than the other three, and so they have
tied that back because it was not a rare gun,
but rare enough to where they tied it back to
this guy, Um Oswald Brainer Oswald Rainer, who was a
British officer who was there. He was there. He was
also a friend of Yusupov and while he's not named

(24:41):
in Usupav's memoirs about the murder of reciputant Us boasted
about frequently. Um, he does appear suddenly in that same time,
so he's in the city. And Yeah, a lot of
well a retired Scotland yard detective and an historian both
think that that he's the one who carried out the

(25:03):
kill shot. Yeah, and Rayner actually supposedly told his cousin
that he was there and that he was the guy
that did the deed. But Um, before he died n one,
he burned all his papers and he only had one son,
and he died just a few years later, so all
evidence is gone except for a memo. Uh. A memo

(25:25):
was sent between rayner superiors Um, John Scale and Stephen Ali,
who weren't there at the time, and the memo says
this quote. Although matters have not proceeded entirely to plan,
which you know, that's pretty true. Our objective has clearly
been achieved. Reaction to the demise of Dark Forces, which

(25:45):
was Resputant's code name, have been well received by all,
although a few awkward questions have already been asked about
wider involvement. Rayner is attending to loose ends, will no
doubt brief you on your return. So it sounds pretty
rock solid to me that the s I S was
might have been behind it, right, so there was another

(26:06):
conspiracy that's actually probably just a broader look at that
that um it was actually the Prime Minister of Great Britain,
David Lloyd George, who was ultimately behind this plot to
murder Resputin and install Uspav's gay lover the Prince. And
the whole reason for either of these theories, the whole

(26:26):
reason that Brits would want to get involved in the
first place, was because they were worried that either one
Resputin was going to persuade Nicholas to withdraw from the war,
or he was going to continue undermining the credibility of
the Romano so much that there was a revolution, and
either way Russia was gonna withdraw from the war, which
is a big problem because they were keeping Germany busy

(26:47):
on the Western Front, which meant that Germany was divided
between the Western Front with Russia and the Eastern Front
with the Brits. It was so if Russia pulled out,
then Germany could put all of their attention on the
Western Front. Yes, I get that, Quiet I got him
wrong in the first time. I got him backwards, but
you corrected yourself, thank you. Yeah. So, um, maybe so

(27:10):
maybe Britain, And you know it makes sense if it
was s I s it might have gone all the
way to the top the Prime minister. Yeah, it's true,
you know. So it's resputing. That's everything there is to
know about him, and completely factual, every word of him. Yes, Resputin.
Well let's see if you want to learn more about
rescput and you can type his name into the search
bart how stuff works dot com. That is capital r

(27:31):
A S p U t I n rest Sputin sins
I said resciput, And that means it's time for message break.
I know it's time for listening. Mail Josh is a
very special listener mail uh because the Petris Jerry. Oh

(27:51):
they this wasn't even to us, you know, and it's
just like, forget you, guys, this is for Jerry. So uh,
here's it goes. I've been listening to your show from
the very beginning, guys, and I have never missed an episode.
I listened to about fifteen podcasts on a regular basis,
and listening to those other podcasts makes me truly appreciate
the job that Jerry does on your show. While listening

(28:12):
to other shows, I often hear pieces that were intended
to be edited out, but obviously we're not. This is
something that is extremely distracting to me. What usually happens
is one of the host starts of sentence doesn't come
out right, so they go back and start that sentence
over again. It's not done in a very natural way,
and it drives me crazy, kind of like finding an
obvious typo in a book. Boy, I hate that too.
When this happens, it takes away from the conversation aspect

(28:35):
of the podcast and emphasizes the fact that there's an
outline for these conversations. Well, I cannot guarantee that has
never happened in your show. I can't think of one
time where something was obviously supposed to be edited out
but was not right. Yeah, the production of your show
is so good. It feels like you did the podcast
in one continuous take without any edits. That is not true.

(28:57):
By the way, We're not that good. We don't stop
and start a lot. It happens mistakes. Yeah, but we're
pretty conversation. Sometimes we say things that we know we
can't include. Uh, it feels like you do the podcast
in one take without any edits. There is much more.
This is much more entertaining because it feels more like
an organic conversation and it planned out discussion. Obviously, you

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guys planning your podcast with outlines and points you want
to touch on. Not true. No, No, that is not true,
and that goes to Jerry's powers and skills. That's right
that that guy thinks that. Yeah, for those of you
who don't know, I feel like we said at a
gazillion times and interviews, but not everyone reads that stuff.
We have our first conversation about the topic right here

(29:39):
in the studio. We study independently, then we come down,
sit down, and we have our first conversation about it.
Sometimes there are starts and stops, and Jerry takes care
of that alright. Finishing up here. Um, it seems more
natural in your podcast than any others that I listened to.
So I just want to thank you guys for many
hours of entertainment, and thank you especially to Jerry. She

(30:02):
needs a raise, even if it comes out of your pockets.
I agree that she needs a raise, not out of
our podet, but not out of the pockets. And that
is from Spencer M. Couch of Couch Law, and I
was like, can I met your law firm? And he
was like, please do. Yeah. So that is Couch Law
in Bountiful, Utah for all your maritime law needs. Not

(30:23):
in Bountable you call Couch Law. I'm not sure what
kind of low of practices, but if you are in Bountiful,
Utah and you're in need of a lawyer, give him
a call and say, hey, you've got good taste and
you appreciate the fine work of Hope Jerry. So here's
four right, And if you are in need of a
world class podcast editor, you have to keep looking because

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Jerry's ours. That's right. Yeah, thank you Jerry, Thank you Jerry.
All right, she just saluted it. If you want to
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