The Baffling Case of the Body On Somerton Beach

Since his corpse was found in 1948, wearing a nice suit in summer on an Australian beach, an unidentified man has refused to fade into obscurity, gripping the imagination of sleuths around the world.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works
dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh
Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and today is a
very special day. We have a special guest producer, Matt.

(00:21):
Been a while. It has been a while, man, it's
been since like two fourteen or something. Yeah, and Matt
is one half of the stuff they don't want you
to know. Oh yeah, that's right. There's three of them,
and we are sort of awkwardly reporting two of the
same shows they've done. So Matt's just sitting there with
his arms crossed, shaking his head back and forth. So

(00:42):
we're trying not to look at him. Are you doing.
I'm good except for Matt looking at us like that.
What do you do for the eclipse? I looked at
the eclipse unwisely, um from where from my house? I didn't.
I didn't see a full the full SCHMO. I figured, you, guys,
this would be exactly the type to drive two hours

(01:03):
to see it. No you did, though, huh yeah, how
was it? Well? I don't want to be one of
those dudes. But the difference between in full eclipse is
all the difference in the world. I saw it put.
I can't remember who put it, but they said that
the difference between seeing a partial eclipse and a full
eclipse is the difference between kissing a person and marrying

(01:24):
a person. Oh well, that's from the legendary eclipse article
from The Atlantic from okay, who wrote it? Oh man? Um?
I even like sent myself the link to read it
today and I haven't read it. It's probably Tina Turner
that the height of her career was. It was written
by Annie Dillard. Okay, it's called total Eclipse and I

(01:46):
haven't ready yet, but it's supposed to be just remarkable,
and that's exactly how she put it, and it was
I think so. So that would have been a year
before Bonnie Tyler came out with Total Eclipse of the Heart. Yeah,
it was two. Yeah. I cried, and like five other
people with this cried like spontaneously. Tears were coming out

(02:07):
of my face and I was like, what is happening
to my body? Did you? I mean, what have you concluded?
I don't know, man, it was just overwhelming. That's neat
to stare at the corona and we're going like two
probably Texas for the next one, like I'm going to
every path of totality that I can get to between

(02:27):
now and the time that I died here and the
clip said, now I'm a totalitur to totalitists. Yeah, and
it was we almost didn't go, like literally that morning
we were debating and I was like, it's two hours away,
let's just get in the car and go. Um and
my daughter saw it, which was weird for her, like

(02:48):
she knew something was up even at two years old. Yeah.
The sun's calm, black, Yeah, and stars came out and
crickets chirped and it was just really strange. Yeah. Uh yeah.
It was very quick two minutes, but I think the
one in two thousand seven is going to have a
four and a half minute totality. When is it two
seven years from now? Okay, and that's that great. Maybe

(03:14):
we'll drive to Texas too, Well, i'll drive together. Well,
if you won't drive two hours, where you gonna go
to Texas? Oh hey, if I ever have a good
reason to go to Texas, I'll take it. Well, it's Texas.
And then I mean we may go to Akron because
that's where Emily's from. It goes through Akron. The kind
of over to Maine on that you guys should just
follow it in your van. Well, you know, I wondered

(03:36):
what how fast? Of course you can't do this, but
how fast would you have to travel the speed of
the moon stay in the path of totality the speed
of the moon, which is what like a hundred million
miles an hour or something like that. I don't know.
Listen to our moon episode. It's my new drug totality.
That's neat man. Yeah, I'm glad that happened to you,
happened on me. Get all over me. Uh, how okay?

(04:03):
You want to talk about this the eclipse. No. You
know what's funny is that we didn't do it podcasts
on eclipses. No, I thought about that. We never have,
I know, And that's just just like us, Moon goes
in front of sun, moon goes away from sun, right, Uh, yeah,
that's just figures. I'm sure we'll end up talking about

(04:23):
like we'll do an episode on unlike the effect of
an eclipse on plants first, and then you know, some
other tangentially related episode, and then maybe after that we'll
do how eclipse work maybe if we're still around in
seven years. There you go about that's a good idea
and have jinks just before by saying we won't be
around just an opposite jinks. I was gonna say, is

(04:44):
that a jinx? Yeah, that's to ensure that we will
be around, got sart. So we're talking today, Chuck about
a pretty unusual mystery. Are you familiar with this one before? Yeah?
I think we covered this an Internet roundup or something.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we definitely talked about it,
but I scoured our archives and I couldn't find an

(05:07):
official show. So I wonder where it came up, because yeah,
I mean we've been talked about it for sure. Um.
And then it was a lot of times you would
do one of your best things you've read this week.
We would then do an Internet roundup piece on that. Okay,
That's probably where it came up, because you're like, this
is so good it should be seen by dozens of people. Exactly.

(05:29):
I want to share it with the twenty Yeah. Um, yeah,
I probably guess the article that I did the best
stuff we've read this week on would have been the
body on so Merton Beach. I think is what it's called,
is the Smithsonian article from years and years it was, um,
so Yeah, there's been plenty of good articles about it.
That one, uh is a good one. There's one from

(05:52):
California Sunday magazine called The Lost Man. Yeah, just some
good stuff out there. If us floats your boat, it does.
But let us set let us set the theme for you, okay,
because this story takes place in Adelaide, in uh, South Australia,
which is not just a place, it's a state as well.
Did you know that? Yeah? I wonder what they call

(06:14):
how they pronounced Adelaide there? Probably not like I just
said it, um, but in Adelaide, South Australia, Adelaides the capital. Uh,
it's a from what I understand. We haven't been there yet,
but we probably will maybe next year. I'm not going
to Adelaide though, I don't know. It sounds kind of
neat and a little weird, right, but weird in some

(06:35):
weird ways. So, um, Adelaide is this? This place is
kind of known as the myrtle murder capital of Australia.
But it doesn't have necessarily like the highest homicide rate
in Australia. It just has a history of kind of weird, gruesome,
grizzly murders. Yeah, I think if you've had more than

(06:57):
two or three, like dismemberment type murders, that you're on
the map, and they definitely have. Yeah, there was. There
was a very famous case in the sixties of the
um the Beaumont children who went missing off of a
beach called Glenn l Beach. I think that's probably how

(07:18):
you say it, um, which is near Adelaide, and we're
never heard from again, no trace of was ever found.
We should do an episode on that one too. Um
there was the family Yeah, uh so dubbed by the
cops in the seventies and eighties. This one's really freaky.
These were supposedly just like regular professional men, presumed men

(07:44):
who had a sort of cabal of torture and murder
of young boys, basically like season one of True Detective,
but in real life in Australia, with a well with
an equally weird ending. All right, yeah, the sky just
opens up. It's a total eclipse. Uh. And that one

(08:05):
again unsolved right, Uh, it was never it was. I
think one person was convicted, but the people that he
implicated were never charged or convicted. What about this bodies
and the barrel thing? That's all you need to say,
there's a string of group of murders called the Bodies
and the Barrels murders. Right, it's a lot of pluralization. Uh.

(08:29):
And then, um, so the idea that the one we're
talking about, which is the death of just one man,
a non violent death, possibly um who was found on
a beach almost seventy years ago. For that to still
have Australia and like the world in its grips today,

(08:49):
it must be a pretty interesting case. And it is. Yeah,
so I guess we should go back in time, getting
the old way back machine and travel south to Adelaide,
post war Adelaide. Look how beautiful it is here. It's hot.

(09:13):
I smell shrimp cooking on the barbie, um drinking a Foster's. Yeah,
it's like a fifty five gallon DRUMA foster and lots
of other Australian tropes are happening all around me. There's
a crocodile dundeees over there. Why there? When we tour there,
they're going to really get because like after the show,

(09:33):
the first show, we can run us out of town.
You say, fine, New Zealand wants us. Yeah. New Zealand say, yeah,
come on over here. Uh so Adelaide is um, Well,
it's an interesting place post war Um. Apparently there was.
It was kind of a place where you could go
to sort of real if you want to disappear and

(09:53):
rewrite your life, that wasn't a bad place to do it. Um.
There was a lot of black marketing we're in going on.
Apparently it was really hard to get your hands on
a car. Um. So there's like a big black market
for cars of all of all stolenness stolens um. Yeah,

(10:13):
there's there's just a certain amount of post war scarcity
that was still going on, and there was a lot
of espionage going on to right, So the Cold War
had just started in Australia was in this weird position
where there were a lot of Soviet spies running around,
there were a lot of Brits and American spies running around,
and the British themselves were conducting secret rocket tests in

(10:36):
the country. So there was, um, there's a lot of espionage,
a lot of black marketing um, and a lot of
people who were not who they claimed to be floating
around this country running around and floating right. So that
brings us to uh, a very important date for the story. Tuesday,
November about seven in the evening, there was a jeweler

(10:58):
named John Lyon Ends and his wife. They were taking
a little stroll there on Somerton Beach, which I'm sure
as lovely. Um, and they saw something weird. They were
walking towards glenn Elk, so I guess they're connected beaches. Yeah,
and they saw something interesting on the sea wall there.
They saw a man lying in the sand, but very

(11:20):
well dressed in a suit, kind of propped up on
the sea wall there as if he were sort of
sitting up about sixty feet away. In America, that's twenty yards.
In Australia it is a certain amount of meters about
twenty Okay, really is that what works? Yeah, it's pretty
close to the yard in the meter are very similar. Um.

(11:44):
And he he was doing something interesting, so they say, uh,
he extended his right arm upward and then just let
it fall back down to the ground. And they thought
that looks like a passed out drunk guy, or maybe
a barely wake drunk guy, maybe trying to have a
cigarette or they I mean, it was remarkable and that
they made a mental note of it, but they just

(12:04):
kept walking and whatever. I think his suit being on
the beach was probably one of the big deals. Yeah,
he was very sharply dressed, not just wearing a suit
on the beach like the studio was wearing. Was pretty nice,
pretty nice. Um In About a half hour later, another
couple walked past, and this this time the guy wasn't
moving at all. Um and apparently he had a whole

(12:26):
swarm of mosquitoes around his face. And the boyfriend says
to the girlfriend that guy must be dead to the
world if he's not noticing those mosquitoes, he must just
be absolutely wasted. So they were clearly closer, I guess,
so I think it'd see mosquitoes on his face, Yeah,
for sure, because from twenty yards it's a tough thing
to see. I don't know, pretty strange mosquitoes are, right.

(12:50):
So the next morning, um became pretty clear what was
going on here, that this was a dead man. The
same jeweler John Lyons He went for a little morning swim,
as you were to do in Australian the mornings when
you're hungover, and he saw a bunch of people crowded
around where the guy was, and it was it was on.

(13:11):
It was as a dead dude. Yeah, the dude was
in basically the same position you'd seen him in the
night before. That that crowd was like he's dead, croy
ky and uh yeah, so Lions is like, wow, that
was pretty surprising. That's the end of John Lyons. Yeah,
but very important here and that they are the only

(13:31):
people who supposedly saw this body move right, super important. So, um,
within about a few hours, the body is in the morgue,
get the hospital and as being examined, and just from
the initial examination there was a lot of um, just
weirdness that immediately came out right. So remember the guys

(13:53):
like sitting up against the sea wall. Um, his legs
are extended out, his feet are crossed. There was a cigarette,
depending on who you ask, either a half burned cigarette,
either dangling from his mouth or on the collar of
a shirt as if it had fallen from his mouth. Um,
and uh. When he was taken into the morgue that

(14:15):
the doctor said that he was probably dead by two am. Yeah,
and most likely when they did the full autopsy, a
man named John Dwyer said he was probably poisoned initially,
even though there were no traces of poison, which is
a little right. But the reason he said that is
because when they cracked the guy opened this this this

(14:35):
John Doe who's widely become known as the Somerton man. Um,
his organs were all kinds of messed up. He had
blood and his stomach along with his final meal, which
was a pasty, a delicious hot pocket handie. Yeah um,

(14:56):
that sounds dirty hand pie. Yeah. Um, there's His spleen
was in enlarged and engorged with blood. That's not a
good sign. His liver was giant and bloody, not unusual
for Australians, that fifty five gallon drama foster. His pupils

(15:17):
were smaller than normal and just quote unusual whatever that means. Right. Uh.
And then they said that he had a little spittle
on the side of his mouth that you know, like,
you know, I thought that was a pretty tacky thing
to note. Yeah, just leave the guy alone. He's dead,
like sleepy drool, is what I thought. If I'm pretty,

(15:37):
if I'm so pretty that I just have a little
bit of spittle coming down my mouth when I'm dead,
I'll be more than happy. Oh you mean, if you
if that's the only thing, Yeah, I agreed. I mean,
come on give the guy to break well, you know,
they were doing forensics. Yeah, so, and indeed they did,
and they kept saying like this gotta be poisoning, like

(15:57):
his organs are all kinds of messed up, but there
was no trace of poisoning. They brought in this guy
named Cedric Stanton Hicks. Yeah, nothing's wrong, right. They gave
it to Eugene and he was still standing afterwards. Um, So,
Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks comes in and says, as well,

(16:18):
let me let me see this, and he um concluded
that it was probably one of two poisons that would
have done this kind of damage resulted in heart failure.
We didn't say that, so they concluded he probably died
from his heart failure. Ultimately, Um, but that wouldn't have
left a trace. And he did not feel like it

(16:39):
was a responsible move on his part to say these
things out loud on the record during the coroner's inquest.
So he said, so he wrote them down, and the
corner was like, okay, all right, picked him up and
read and what he read was digitalis and Struff Phantom said,
he said it, I didn't write. He goes, oh gosh,

(17:01):
did I say that out loud. That sounds like something
that you'd seen the movie, just you know, added for
the drama, but apparently it really am So he read
those names. I don't know if you read those names,
but at least those names were recorded onto the record. Uh.
Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks suspected the strophanthem, although later investigators

(17:22):
I feel sure it was probably the digitalist. It sounds
like it doesn't matter which one it was because they
were both kind of used and I think are maybe
still used. The treat heart disease. Is that true? Yeah? Um,
and then you can get them with the prescription from
a pharmacy. I don't know if they're still used. Maybe
they are, but they definitely were common at the time

(17:42):
or obtainable in in just about every major city. Um.
So they have an idea of maybe what poison it was.
But again it bears pointing out again and again that
they no one has ever found any direct evidence that
the man was poisoned. And to this day, two thousand
seventeen and beyond, if you're listening to this years from now, um,

(18:06):
they still don't know how he died. Yeah, and you
they may still be looking because this is one of
those like the dB Cooper when we did. That's one
of those cases where amateur sluice on the Internet are
still trying to figure stuff like this out. And unless
we come up with some really um amazing technologies in

(18:27):
the next ten twenty years or something like that, the
time is passing quite quickly on this case and dB
Cooper as well. Where we may never know may remain
a mystery forever unless we invent time travel, then somebody
will go back and figure those out. So the dude,
it looks a little bit like Harvey Kitel, do you

(18:48):
think so? I mean, look up a picture of this guy.
If you're not in your car, you can look him up.
They're two very famous photos. I guess from the autopsy scene. Um,
just straight onto his face and then sort of you know,
from the side with his eyes open. Yeah, it looks
like Harvey Kitell. It looks like a wasted Harvey kite Tel,
which is to say, he looks like Harvey Kuitel. Um,

(19:11):
so he's in about his mid forties. Yeah, I guess
a younger Harvey Kitel. Yeah. Uh, he's wearing this double
breasted suit. Um. I saw that he was wearing a
nit pull over with a necktie. Who and this sounds
like we're being um two specific by saying the stripes
slanted from left to right, but we're not. We're not.
That will come into play. Well, just hang onto that nugget.

(19:35):
Put that one in your pipe for later. He had
no hat, which was weird for that time. Oh, I
hadn't ran across that, but yeah, I've never seen that
there was a hat. Yeah, and they never found a hat.
But it would be unusual for a man in the
late forties and not have a hat. Yeah, I guess so.
Fedoras were huge. I'll bet Panama hats were huge down
in Adelaide at the time. For doors in Australia were
literally huge. It's like sombreros made of tortilla's melted cheese

(20:02):
in the middle. Man. Is that a thing? It was
on the Simpsons nancho hat. Uh? What else? He had
weird feet, yeah, wedge shaped feet, they said, and that
his his shoes seemed to be molded almost to his feet.
The real weird giveaway was his calves. His calves were remarkable.

(20:24):
They were bulbous below the just below the knee. And
the guy who who performed the autopsy, I think it was.
Dwyer said, Uh, this is like what dancers or people
who wear high heels, just the kind of calves that
they have. He said, look at that, he looks like
Lena Horn. The Oh my gosh, it is Lena Horn. Uh. Yeah,

(20:48):
so that that's definitely notable. Um. Uh. The other thing
they found out too was, um, a couple of physical
traits that he had which will come into play later
on his ear. His simba, which is the upper hollow
portion of the ear caved in. Yeah, the rolled over

(21:10):
part up here, No, like just the upper you know,
hole than the lower part. Yeah. Yeah, we've ever done
show any ears, have we we should? The simba is
larger than the cave um, which is a fairly rare thing.
So I would guess the cavum is where your ear
drum leads to your ear drum. Yeah, that's where you

(21:31):
put your finger when you want to write. But if
you go, if you put your finger up over that ridge,
doesn't that's the simba. Yeah, so yeah, that would be
weird if this one was bigger than that one. Yeah.
It's a pretty rare genetic trait, as were his strange teeth. Yeah,
he had something called hypodontia, which is he was missing
his lateral incisors, which are the teeth that most people

(21:54):
have between their front teeth and their canines. His lateral
incisors never developed, so his canines were adjacent to his
front teeth. Yeah, and it's um would you say hypodontia
that that can be as common as like you'd never
get your wisdom teeth, But in this case, those particular teeth,
it was pretty rare. Something like, well, I saw hypodontia

(22:16):
in so that would include not getting wisdom teeth. Huh, Well,
in any teeth, not developing a hypod I got you. Well,
I don't know if hypodontia in general or just this
type of hypodontao of the population. Yeah, it's specifically for
those teeth. Was pretty rare, gotcha? Yeah? Two, pretty rare.
Like everyone's got those teeth, And people at home are like,

(22:39):
why are you saying all this weird stuff? Who cares?
Just settle down? Everybody, settle down because it's all going
to come into play. We haven't said anything that will
not come back into play. All right, Should we take
a break. I think we should. Everybody's getting all riled up.
Let's take a break and then we're going to detail,
uh for about fifteen minutes. What was in his pockets? Yeah, okay, chuck.

(23:27):
So we went over the body. Yeah, now it's time
to go through his personal effects, which were kind of
weird in and of themselves. Right about the details. So
when you're talking about murders and disappearances and then unsolved
after seventy years, yes, you need to pay attention to
the detail. What kind of podcast cops would we be
if we were just like, yeah, it just sort of

(23:48):
looked like Harveard Kite Tell and he's in a suit
d and no good. It sounded like Harvey Kite Tell.
Yeah it did, didn't it. Yeah it was. That was
my HARVEYD. Kite telling the piano. Know, oh man, what
a movie? Um? All right, So in his pockets he
had a pack of juicy fruit. The juicy fruit, Yeah,

(24:10):
chewing gum. He had some matches, Bryant and May matches.
He had, uh, well, he had a lot of tickets
in his pocket. He had a an unused train ticket
from Adelaide to Hindley Beach. He had a bus ticket
from Adelaide to glenn Alk and then he had a ticket,
a used ticket that said he had come from arrived

(24:34):
there by by bus from the railway station there. Yeah,
from the Adelaide railway correct. Yeah. Uh. He also had
um a pack of cigarettes that was weird. Army Club Army.
The pack of cigarettes was an Army Club pack, but
inside was something called Conceitas, which was a much more

(24:55):
expensive brand. So that makes no sense, Like that's the
opposite of the only thing that could make sense, which
is he just kept the expensive pack and would put
cheap cigarettes in it to look fancy, right, unless he
didn't want people bumming the expensive ones off of him,
so he kept the cheap pack or right. The likelier

(25:17):
story is that he bombed some a bunch of cigarettes
off of somebody and put them in his his own pack,
al right, Like, hey man, he got a smoke or
seven or seven? Yeah, interesting, Or perhaps they were poisoned
and put in that pack. That's another possible explanation to write.
So um his his that was like the extent of

(25:37):
his personal effects aside from his clothing. Right, there was
no idea get a couple of combs, okay, hair combs.
More to the point, there was no idea, no, no wallet,
no cash. Kind of odd for sure, and his clothes
were odd in and of themselves. Right, So again, he

(25:58):
was wearing a very nice suit, but the um makers
labels of all of his clothes have been from what
I understand, carefully snipped away. Yeah, I saw one explanation
for this that made it seem a little less odd um,
which was back then. Apparently people oftentimes would because there

(26:18):
were nice clothes, were not scarce, but you wanted to
keep them for yourself, so you would write your name
a lot of times on your like suit, jackets and things,
and then if you ever went to sell them second hand,
you would flip out those labels. So that's one explanation
that's not bad. I don't know if that's a reach
or not, but at least something could make sense out

(26:40):
of that. But the other thing could mean that this
person was being dumped and no one wanted them to
know who they were. It's a possibility to or that
he didn't want anyone to know who he was. That's
another possibility as well. That's what a lot of people think,
that he was trying to cover up his own identity
as well. Um his his trousers I think had a

(27:03):
little repair done with orange thread, bear with us um,
and then that was about it. They they they took
fingerprints of the guy and spread around to no avail. Right.
They they've figured out after a little while. I'm not

(27:25):
sure when, but this would have been so November December
one is when he was found. This is too, This
is like July to us in the northern hemisphere, the
beginning of July. So starting to get hot down there, right,
You can only keep a body for so long. In
the nineteen forties in summer in Adelaide, it's already a

(27:46):
hot place to begin with. And um, the authorities were like,
we we can't keep this guy above ground any longer.
So somebody had the bright idea of making a plaster
bust of him, and they did, and they kept it
at the Morgan and they buried him in a pretty
smart way if you ask me. Yeah, they buried him,
uh with this marker. Here lies the unknown man who

(28:06):
was found at Somerton Beach first December, and he was
buried just in really dry ground so if they ever
needed to get in there they could. And they encased
him in concrete as well to realize like keep them
preserved as much as possible if you ever needed to
be exhumed, right correct. So um, like I said, they

(28:27):
took the set of fingerprints and they're still looking for
this guy. They buried him finally, but they're like, this
is driving us insane. Who was this man? What happened
to him? Um? So they spread the fingerprints all over Australia.
They started to send him around to America, the UK,
It just English speaking countries. Yeah. They also, uh like

(28:50):
kind of before they got rid of the real body,
they brought people in locals to see if anyone could
identify them. I think afterward they probably showed quite a
few people the bust and they were just trying to
do anything and nobody, nobody could recognize who this person was. No.
I mean some people saw like pictures of the bust
or the death pictures that are famous now in the newspaper,

(29:13):
and we're like, oh, that kind of looks like Uncle Ted.
And then they go in and see him and be
like it's not Uncle Ted. Um. And so this this
the fact that this is becoming an weird unsolved mystery already,
like just quickly after the case started to kep sure
the nation's attention a little bit, and the police, the
the the South Australia State Police were not shy about

(29:38):
publicizing stuff as needed, Like as they developed breaks in
the case, they would tell the newspapers about it, and
the newspapers would tell the rest of the country. So
it became a pretty big sensation in Australia, so much
so that a lot of people are just basically take
it for granted that the man was not Australian. That

(29:59):
were he Australian, some more several people would have come
forward because the case had that much exposure nationally. Yeah,
and I am just guessing here, but I imagine nine
this part of Australia probably wasn't There weren't like millions
of people living there. I don't know how small of
a town it was, but I don't think it was
like some huge city, was it. Well, Yeah, Adelaide's the

(30:21):
capital of South Australia. Yeah, but is that how big
was that? Think there was like at least five people there.
And I'm going to say, at the minimum, someone's going
to write in and tell us so all right, and
I'm gonna be mad that we didn't know. No, Australians
are nice about things, usually yeah, they are. They're the
Canadians of the South. So they decide. The cops decide

(30:46):
very smartly. Um, you know what, We're gonna widen this investigation.
We're going to see if anywhere in town someone has
found something. There are any possessions that this guy might
have left behind. Since he was just found with what
was in his pockets, surely there's something. And in fact
there was. They discovered there was a suitcase, brown suitcase

(31:08):
in a cloak room that was left there on November,
which was the night before the morning that he was
found the first time he was seen on the beach.
It was no lead, it was and because he had
that ticket that showed he had taken a bus from
the Adelaide rail station, that was one of the first
places detectives went. Uh and they found this suitcase, um,

(31:33):
that had been left there, like you said, on November,
and inside, um, there was some stuff that linked it
to the guy. Yeah, I mean it was full of stuff. Um,
it was clearly someone who was traveling a lot. There
were lots of clothes, shirts and scarves and underwear and

(31:54):
pajamas and handkerchiefs. There were two pairs of scissors, one
broken pair one in a sheath. Um, like a shave kit, screwdriver, Um,
lots of just normal travel things, razor, razor strap, all
the junk you would expect that multiple pairs of scissors
is a little weird. Thread. But the thread was the

(32:14):
big one orange thread yeah barber, not Australian brand barber thread,
which perfectly matched where his trousers are stitched. So it's
got to be him, right, that's the thing that really
links him with the suitcase. Um. There was also some
stencils for stenciling cargo. Yeah, that was a little weird,

(32:35):
very weird. Um. And there was a suit jacket that
had a what's called a feather stitch. Um. While stitching
is the lightest stitch, right, and they're like, we don't
do this in Australia. We don't even have the sewing
machine that can do this in Australia. Yet that Taylor said,

(32:56):
this is an American coat. Yeah, with their feathers. Well,
he's a am a stitch right. Uh. And then inside
some of these clothes, uh was the name Keen Because
I told you people wrote on their clothes a lot
said T keen T dot keen k E n E
or k E A N. And the best cops could

(33:19):
figure is they someone did that to to sniff everyone
off the case, right, because they looked around and there
was no t keen or any keen that they couldn't
put their their fingers on. Who's missing? Um? And the tie?
Years later, like the cops at the time didn't know this.
I wonder if they noticed that it was slanting one

(33:39):
way or another. I don't know, but the they probably
just knew it looked weird for some reason. They couldn't
put their finger on. Ye. But at the time in Australia,
the the ties slanted left or right, and this guy's
tie slanted right to left, and that was the style
in America. It's like everything's oppose said, didn't this so weird?

(34:02):
Summer's winter and winter summer flush the toilet? It was
in a different direction. I think that's an urban legend. No,
I think that's true, right, No, I did a something
on it. Really, Yeah, I think it's an urban legend.
It's really has to do with um, the uh, the
shape of the drain. What man, That's what I was

(34:26):
so looking forward to. Pooping in Australia. You can still
do it well you probably should. Actually, while we're there,
I'm going to but I'm not. The joy is is dead. Well,
just don't watch it flush. Yeah, but you might be
better off. Actually in this way, I've just been used
to my poop turning into such a direction my whole life.

(34:47):
I was really ready for something new. All right, I'm sorry.
So the tie is opposite. They said, this is an
American tie, like you said. Uh. And then a brought
in um and actually we should say those were internet sleuths,
like within the last ten fifteen years who figured that

(35:08):
one out? Yeah, all right, good for you Internet. Uh. Finally,
in April, police brought in a dude, an expert pathologists
named John Cleland. And this was a big deal. Apparently
the cops in South Australia were not as thorough as
you would think, because they didn't even check his little
pocket watch pocket a little pocket inside your pocket, because

(35:32):
there was a really key piece of evidence rolled up
in there. Yeah, this one broke the case wide open.
It seemed like it would. There was a little scrap
of paper rolled up very tightly in this pocket and
written on it in some pretty fancy type setting were
the words tamum showed T A M A M S

(35:54):
h U D. And the cops said, what was this
first orange thread? Not some weirdo words rolled up in
this guy's pocket? What is this? And John Cleveland said,
you dopes, it's called a lead. You didn't check his pocket?
In his pocket? He said no, So they would figure
out in a little while by a stroke of luck.

(36:16):
It seems that um temum showed means it is finished
where it is done, or in this case, the end
in Persian. Right, it sounds very h random and out
of left field that anybody would know this, But a
reporter working the police beat there said named Frank Kennedy, said, no,

(36:39):
that I know what that's from. That's from a twelfth
century book of Persian poetry called Rubaiyat of Omar Kayam.
And that just sounds so out of left field. But
in fact that book had been translated by an English
poet named Edward Fitzgerald, and it was kind of a
big deal once it was translated into English, so it
wasn't like just so looking for obscure that nobody would

(37:04):
know what it was. No, it was extremely popular in
the in the West after that, I think even in America,
like there's a Peanuts comic strip that makes reference to it.
Even it was a big It was one of those
things where like people might not know about it, but
there are plenty of people out there who did. And
one of the reporters recognized it, right. So they realized

(37:26):
then that they needed to find the copy of the
Rubiyat that this came from. And they started looking and
looking and looking, and they couldn't find it. So the
state police did what they had been doing all along.
They went to the newspapers and they said, hey, we
found this weird scrap of paper. It says Tamum shooed.
We're told that it comes from the Rubiyat, and specifically

(37:48):
it's the last words of the Rubiat, right with the
last words of the last poem, right um, and go
go to it media and the media went wild and
let everybody you know. And it turns out so this
is April when they found the um the scrap of paper,
and in July they got another break based on finding

(38:11):
that scrap. A guy came forward and said, you know what,
I found this copy of the Rubyat in the backseat
of my car, which had been parked by Sohmerton Beach
around the time the man who was found on Somerton
Beach was found. And I have no idea who'se it is.
It's just been I put it in my glove Compartment's
been sitting there until I read this article in the newspaper. Yeah,

(38:33):
presumably his windows rolled down or his car was unlocked,
and whoever ripped this thing out, because they did find
out that part was ripped out from his book, just
tossed it in the back seat this guy's car, right,
Not very smart if you're trying to cover your tracks, No,
but maybe you're not trying to cover your tracks, right.
So they now have the copy of the Ruby Yatt

(38:53):
that the scrap of paper that came that was found
in the Sohmerton man's trousers came, yeah, which by all
accounts is a one of a kind printing, right, Yeah,
like a one off, yes, and not an addition of hundreds,
like a single printing of this one book, right, but
supposedly as part of an addition. I can't remember which

(39:15):
edition it was by this printer, But for years people
have been trying to track down a copy from that
edition and they couldn't find it. Well, somebody finally found one.
They're like, this is not the exact same book that
the cops found with the Somerton Man associated with Somerton Man,
which is a very odd thing, totally. Um so in

(39:38):
this book they get another huge break. This breaks the
case open even further. Right, They're like, surely we're going
to figure it out now. Yeah, this was huge. They
found uh, two local phone numbers. One was a bank
phone number which didn't lead to much of anything, and
another one X three to three nine, uh, belong to Well,

(39:58):
they found a couple of things. I found this member
that belonged to a woman, a nurse named Jessica Thompson,
who will talk about in a minute. And then they
also found, um, you know how we did our we
did our episode on spies and one of the things
sometimes spies would do would have these throwaway pads that
they would literally write things on and you could make

(40:21):
an impression such that, you know, it's like the kid's
trick where you ripped that page off and you have
what looks like a blank page that's the impression of
what was written above it. And in this little kids
will use a pencil, let's see what it says. But
in this case, they used a UV light to see what,
by all accounts is a five line code, and then

(40:42):
the code is pretty odd. Yeah, I mean I think
we should read it. It'll sound like gibberish. But if
you're into code breaking, you probably already know about this one.
But if not, here we go all capital letters. Line
one is w r G O A B A b D.
Second line m l I A o I that was
scratched out. Interestingly, third line w T b I m

(41:04):
P A n E t P, fourth line m l
I A again that's repeated uh b O a I
a q C. And finally I T T M T
S A M S T G a B go break it,
right the eagle has landed at midnight, which they basically
said that go break it, and no one could know. Um, yeah,

(41:27):
a lot of amateur code breakers because again they went
to the media like you're saying, um, go break it,
and a lot of code breakers tried and failed, and
then um they contacted the Australian Naval Intelligence Service and
they tried and failed, and either the Naval Intelligence Service
or later UM sleuths concluded that it was for there's

(41:52):
too little information to ever break it that you didn't
have a key that you needed to have um. And
then it may have been as simple as the first
letter of a list that he was trying to remember, right,
because apparently they bear of a resemblance frequency wise the

(42:14):
first letters of common words in the English language. So
it's possible that like it's it's a to do list
that the guy was just trying to remember, you know,
by these groceries, go see this person at this time,
that kind of thing. It is a lot of letters,
and a lot of people say, no, this is obviously

(42:35):
this spike codebook. Don't be naive. So the the cops
they there's the code breaking thing that they're doing. Then
simultaneously they're like, well, maybe we should call this local
phone number, and they did, and on the other end
a woman picked up and it turned out like you
said to be Jessica Thompson, and you want to take

(42:55):
another break. We're going to take a break and we'll
get to Jessica Thompson right after this. We should say,

(43:28):
coming back from break, we just got compliments from Matt.
This is like praise from Caesar on something like this.
Look what happened to Caesar though, Yeah, on your birthday.
Matt said, you guys really doing a great job. And
Josh said, didn't tell us that. Go back to sleep,

(43:49):
all right, So we promised talk of Jessica Thompson. This
is a really good lead. They called her up. She
answered the phone. It's a good first step in my
movie version, at least she answered the phone and went, huh.
She's a nurse. She was married, she had a kid
named Robin Thompson. Robin a boy though, right, uh. And

(44:12):
her maiden name was Harkness. Um, and this has kept
private for a lot of years. Her name was she
asked him to keep it a secret. And I read
a bunch of accounts, most of which said that, you know,
she may have had a few boyfriends here and there affairs. Um.
The paternity of Robin Thompson was called into question more

(44:33):
than once. So UM, I think that the general idea
was that she was probably just trying to keep this
quiet too. So she, you know, in the nineteen forties,
wouldn't be outed as a trollop, right And then cops said, sure,
no problem. And actually, to this day, the state police
have never publicly identified Jessica Thompson as the mystery woman

(44:55):
whose phone number was written in the Somerton Man's copy
of The Rubiyat. Yeah, but in two thousand thirteen her
family came forward and publicly identified her. And even though
the police haven't confirmed it, it's been known for so
many years that that was probably who it was. That again,
it's basically taken for granted as a fact of the

(45:16):
case that she is that woman. Yeah, her nickname was
justin j E. S. T y N. That's how she
inscribed copies of this Ruby Yacht. Um. Well, and I
guess that sort of gives away what happens next. Yeah.
The cops are like, okay, okay, we've gone through a
lot to get to you. Lady. Have you given a

(45:37):
copy of this twelfth century book of Persian poetry called
The Ruby Yacht to anybody? And she goes, yes, I have.
And the cops are like, yes, we're about to figure
it out. And they said who who have you given
it to? And she said a bloke named Alfred Boxall.
They said, okay, we'll call you back, and they hung

(45:59):
up and ran around looking for Alfred Boxall. Well, yeah,
they probably figured, you know, that's Harvey Kitel uh. And
they were unfairly to Albert Alfred boxall disappointed when they
found it. He was alive and well in New South Wales,
and he said, yeah, I got the book right here.
She she gave them to all her lovers. Uh. There

(46:22):
was speculation that perhaps they you know, she gave it
to him over drinks one night, that he perhaps had
been one of her lovers. Yeah, oh yeah, And I
think it's probably absolutely correct because she had inscribed it,
like I said, with Justin and that's how the cops
referred to her on their case files. Uh. So they went,
you're alive, great, and he said, yeah, but I've got

(46:43):
the book like not all was lost and it was intact.
That's correct. So they said, oh, you've got to be
kidding me. This lead, the lead of all leads. I
was gonna break this case wide open. It it's a
dead end, are you Are you kidding me? And one
of the officers developed a permanent scarf from banging his
head slowly against the wall. He couldn't be stopped, couldn't

(47:06):
be consoled, And so they said, okay, a lady, your
phone number was in this thing, so we want you
to come down to the Morrigan just take a look
at this bust we made of the dead guy and
um and they said, also, is there anything else, anything
weird happened to you and like the last year or so,
And she said, well, the only thing I can think

(47:28):
of is that my neighbors said to me once when
I came home one day that and some man they
didn't know it, called on my house and uh, that
was it. That's the literally the weirdest thing that's happened
to me on her door. Her neighbors didn't know. It
happens to be like three times a week. Um. So

(47:48):
as they bring her in to look at this bus,
Detective Sergeant Liona Lean and uh, he was one of
the two leads that was not an Australian accent, ok.
And um, I don't know what kind of backs and
it was. It was mid Atlantic, but I was not
trying to do Australian. Uh. And he said that quote
she was completely taken aback to the point of giving

(48:09):
the appearance she was about to faint end quote like
she knows who this dude is. Yeah, she's a nurse.
First of all. She was even looking at a body,
but she has a nurse, so she wouldn't be freaked
out by any of this. No, and again it wasn't
even a body. It was a plaster bus. Yeah, right.
But she's like and they go, did you know him?
And she goes, no, no, I didn't. Just got some heartburn,

(48:32):
and uh, I have nothing more to say about this,
so don't ever ask me. And she clammed up. Not
weird at all, No, not at all. So immediately the
cops are like, you know, way more than you're letting on.
But apparently they didn't, you know, beat up people that
they had in custody to get information out of them.
So they let her go and just said, oh, well,

(48:53):
I guess we'll never know the answer to this mystery. Yeah,
there's a retired detective named Gary felt Us. Is it Gary?
I thought Jerry g E R R Y Probably Jerry. Yeah,
I'm you've convinced me. That's funny. We we just crossed
over to one another side again. Uh. So he took

(49:13):
up this case later in life, and um, he actually
interviewed her in two thousand seven. He said she was
evasive under questioning and like, this lady knew something. Yeah,
and again this guy was him. He's a hobbyist, amateur
sleuth on this case. I love those guys. But he
had forty years experienced as a detective in Adelaide, so

(49:35):
he knows questioning people. Have you seen the Netflix documentary
series The Keepers. No, I haven't even heard of it.
It is about a cold case murder of a nun
um in the nineteen nineteen sixties, I think, And uh,

(49:55):
they're there are these amateur detectives that have been working
on this all these years. These two women in particular,
learn that were students of this none at school that
are just amazing, And like, is this really get an
appreciation for these people who like become obsessed with the
solving these cases that aren't even like family members or anything,
you know, Is it a like jama or documentary ten

(50:16):
part documentary seriousness? Oh wow, I gotta see that. Oh dude,
It's one of the most upsetting things I've ever had
to sit through. And that's all I'm gonna say. I've
been waiting for this since I've finished making Um Making
of a Murderer. Yeah, it's better, I think. I like that,
But what what very disturbing stuff. Wow, I gotta go

(50:38):
any you gotta leave it. So hats off to you,
amateur sluice out there for for getting in the way
of real police, no, for for doing work that real police.
These are cold cases that they're hard pressed to get
information anymore in most cases. So I was just kidding

(50:58):
sniffing people off the case after the cops say, right,
And I was kind of mad not to get too
derailed by this, that these cold cases just sort of stay. Um.
But then you think, like there's you know, you can't
just concentrate on a forty year old murder case, and
there's so many current things you've got to be looking into.

(51:20):
Plus it's hard um. All right, So back to Thompson
evasive under questioning UM later on her son Robert, I'm sorry, Robin,
like we said earlier, Uh, he started looking into it,
got really interested in trying to figure this thing out.
Oh he did, he did. I didn't know that. And

(51:42):
he turned out to be a professional dancer with the
calves of Lena Horn and the Australian Ballet right and
hypodancha in exactly the same way that the Somerton man had.
And he had the same ears. Yeah, so a lot
of people, again, there's something that hasn't been proven, but

(52:02):
most people take as conclusive fact that Robin Thompson, son
of Jessica Thompson, who didn't know the Somerton Man, was
the son of the Somerton Man. Yeah, what I saw
was between the ear and the teeth. Um, they put
odds for both of those things at about it's quite

(52:26):
a range between one and ten million and one and
twenty million. Okay, but let's just say it's one in
ten million. That's say it's one in a trillion. At
that point, it's the same thing basically, So eventually another
was it the same amateur sleuth? Not Jerry Derek Abbott
is a different sleuth. There are rivals. It's hilarious they

(52:47):
hate each other. Um. He got involved and said, you
know what, I'm gonna get Robin in here for a
DNA test. Um, Robin's a hymn, but it says here
hers him right. No, Uh, Robin's daughter was the one
who took the DNA test. Bobbin is long dead, gotcha,
got you? Okay? Oh No, I think I had a

(53:09):
backwards and I don't think he got involved in trying
to figure it out because he's dead. Okay. That's why
I was like, I was kind of surprised, but gotcha.
So he got her daughter to take a DNA test
and then trace back the paternal lineage, which would have
been um possibly the Somerton man, who by all accounts
seemed like he was American, Yeah, which would have explained

(53:29):
the tie um perhaps the thread yeah uh. And what else?
The fact that no one in Australia could identify him
or was willing to identify him. Um. So the the
only thing left then after that is okay, well, somebody
just dig up the Somerton man like he buried him

(53:52):
in such a way so we could do this. Well,
it turns out in Australia, from what I saw, there
are two reasons that a judge will let you exhume
a body. One is to contest a will. There's no
will or a state really in question here. And then
the other one is to identify a lost soldier, a
soldier lost at war. Other than that, you're gonna it's

(54:15):
it's an up, it's an uphill battle getting a body exhumed.
And two different times Derek Abbott, who actually um as
an aside, married Robin Thompson's daughter who took the DNA
test at his behest um He petitioned twice to have
Somerton Man exhumed, and twice he was turned down because

(54:37):
um obsessive curiosity was not a good enough reason to
dig up a body. So he swabbed the inside of
her cheek, and that was true love exactly got get
in there over candle light. Um gave her. He gave
her a hand pie. Oh God, So here are the theories.
Um well, I'm gonna go ahead and start with my

(55:00):
favorite theory, which sort of is in here but not
really uh suicide m I think that perhaps, and I
didn't invent this, but of the theories I've read, I
liked this one. I think that he um It was
an American man. We had an affair with Jenny nurse
Thompson Justin and went there, traveled there, um found out

(55:27):
she was pregnant. Uh In was rejected and went down
and killed himself by poison and was prepared to do so.
And the other things I've read said that he could.
You know, the things that don't add up was like
the body was found with no like vomit, which a
lot of times happened if you are poisoned, even if

(55:48):
you're not one of the last things you do is
your life is ending is throw up. Usually, Oh, it's
pretty common. No one never tells you that. Yeah, like
the dinner party. You've never been told that. No one
ever tells you two things in life that you poop
when you have a baby, and you poop and you
throw up before you die, and you poop when you

(56:08):
die too, when you die. I think, so, I guess
that's why Elvis died on the toilet. Yeah, very efficient
to go out with some dignity. Um, so where was I? Oh?
So he The thing I read said that perhaps he
went down to the shore line, drank the poison through that,
you know, into the water, and maybe like vomited and

(56:30):
riched there and then kind of went back up the
beach and lay there to die and and maybe had
one less cigarette. Very possible. So that's one theory. Another
theory is that he died by poison, but that it
was murder. Sure. As this case is being coming more
and more publicized, the public came to widely believe that

(56:51):
he was a spy. And then as more details of
the case spread out more and more over the decades
um this this vision of aspiring emerged with Jessica Thompson
as this communist spy master who was posing as a housewife,
and sommerton Man was a spy who worked for her

(57:14):
or arrival spy, and Alfred Boxall was a spy who
worked for which would explain why she gave both of
them copies of the Rubiyat, and that actually the copies
of the Rubiyat were one time pads themselves, which were
actually the keys to crack the code. Unfortunately, the cops

(57:34):
uh in Adelaide through the ruby At. That was the
summer to Man's away in the fifties. Yeah, they got
rid of the suitcase in the eighties. Maybe it was both.
Maybe he was a spy who loved her, could have been.
But the murder theory is that Alfred Boxall murdered the man,
or she had him murder him, and then they took

(57:55):
his body to the seaside. Alfred Boxall was actually confronted
with that in the seventies on TV and he's like,
that's pretty ridiculous everybody. Some people are like, we know
you were in intelligence World War Two. It turns out
he was like an army engineer or something like that.
He wasn't an intelligence and everyone said, that's just what
a murderer would say. That's ridiculous on TV. So there right. So,

(58:18):
the the idea that the so much to man's copy
of the Ruby was basically a one of a kind,
it seems definitely lends credence to the idea that it's
possible he was a spy in that code for sure. Um,
so that's another big, strong possibility. Here's the thing I
saw too. In nine, a third witness came forward shared

(58:41):
never before revealed story that he was on the beach
in the wee hours of the morning and saw a
man carrying an unconscious man over shoulder towards that spot,
but was dark, could not identify anything, and nothing ever
came of that. Stuff like that, give me my money
for the movie, right, stuff like that. I think it
could be either it wasn't him or just you know,

(59:03):
I don't know, you know, people are they just make
something up to get on. And then I thought the
same thing with the hand raising up, like maybe that
didn't even happen. Well, yeah, that was That's another thing.
Like what I realized from researching this, Chuck, was that
this this case has been so muddied with conjecture and

(59:23):
false truths um that have just spread across the Internet
that like, did the Lions ever recant their version of
seeing him move? If so, then then maybe he was
dead when he was taken out to the beach. Who knows,
Like you really have to dive in. But if you
if you want to dive in, this mystery, maybe even

(59:45):
more than any others, is just uh, just a just
an enormously deep rabbit hole to get sucked into, because
I mean, even if they dug up sober to man,
it's found conclusively that he was Robin Thompson's father, that
still doesn't say who he actually was. It doesn't idea
And it's just like how this mystery unfolded as the

(01:00:06):
police were investigating it. You can, you can crack the
case in one major way and it'll probably lead to
a dead end. There's still always this tantalizing mystery that
we may never know. So Merton Man, Tamim shooed, Okay,
I just said something. Person. If you want to know

(01:00:28):
more about so Merton Man, you should go listen to
the stuff they don't want you to know episode on
it or watch it. I'm not sure if it's video
or audio, maybe both Uh. And you can also check
out the Lost Man on California Sunday Magazine and the
Body on Somerton Beach on Smithsonian, among many many other
great articles. And since I said many, it's time for

(01:00:51):
listener mail. Uh, I'm gonna call this on accents. And
I gotta say, we got more email on stuttering and
accents and I've seen in a long long time. UM,
I don't know. I think a new accents would be big.

(01:01:13):
Stuttering really hit home with a lot of people, I think.
And the well there's that there's a stuttering email too.
It's either going to be on the next one or
the one that was just released hitting on the order.
You may have heard it here, it's upcoming. Hey, guys,
listen to accents. And I wanted to hopefully set up
I set the record straight with Chuck's help. My name

(01:01:33):
is Chris and I'm from New Jersey and I've heard
Chuck mentioned a few times he lived in New Jersey
for a bit. First off, where did you live, what
brought you here, and why did you leave? Um? I
lived in Bernardsville next to Basking Ridge. Um, sort of
near Morristown is the biggest town that you might have
heard of. Uh, and not far from Bedminster Golf Club.

(01:01:56):
Donald Trump, Um, what brought me there? I lived there
after college because it was a free place to live
because of a roommates parents who were out of the
country in Australia. Actually, it's all coming together. They didn't
want to sell their house, so they said, you guys
are done with college. You want to live here for free,
hang out New York. We said, sure, And why did

(01:02:17):
I leave? I left because they came back. That'd be
weird if I was still living there. Uh. Anyway, he
might be able to confirm my suspicions. People from New
Jersey don't have an accent, but if they do, it's
slight New York New York accent at any. Um, No,
you definitely have accents. You're insane. In my opinion, many

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older adults have moved from New York and New Jersey
for the suburbs. Seeing many older people meet and talk
about the street they grew up on in Brooklyn or
the like. I would like to make like it made
clear that no one from New Jersey says New Joysey.
That's true. If anything that is in New York accent, Chuck,
can you confirm. I can confirm I never heard anyone
say New Joysey, but I cannot confirm that there's accent

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because I definitely have an accident in New Jersey. Um.
In fact, one of the things that I noticed there's
not so much an accent, but people in New Jersey
would say button instead of button or like you know,
words that are split in half like that. They would
stop like a hard stop button. You know, I'm talking

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about very New Jersey. And they call everyone kid. Yeah,
I knew that you ear that a kid, even if
they're older than you. I didn't appreciate that anyway. I
hope Chuck agrees. Also, I hope he's a fan of
pork Roll and not Taylor Ham. I'm a fan of
Taylor pork Roll. I don't if that accounts. I thought
that was the only pork Roll. Thanks for the endless

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amounts of entertainment. He's seeing you guys in Brooklyn on
the upcoming tour. So Chris Ortado from Highland Park, New Jersey.
I can't wait to see at the Bellhouse. Thanks Chris.
If you want to get in touch with Chris, did
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