What's the future of the internet?

It's tough to predict the future. Instead, the future looks a lot like it does now: Faster data transfer rates, more social networking, ubiquitous mobile devices -- and possibly dumber people from using all this stuff.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.
It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know?
From House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to
the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant.
Welcome to the Future of the Internet. It's called Stuff

(00:22):
you Should Know. We have the past, the present, in
the future of my friend choke on that haters. Yeah,
so that's what we're talking about today, and I'm hoping
you have some awesome cool story about, you know, the
future or the Internet. You'd think I would no intro

(00:42):
on this one. No, there's a surprising um dearth of
stuff out there about the future of the Internet. I
found that a lot of people are really really nervous
about putting their neck out because we finally reached a
point in time where you can build a career based
on successfully and accurately predicting the next move right, So

(01:10):
everybody is kind of confident about what's coming five years
from now, seven years from now, and if we haven't
by the time this thing comes out, uh put it
on the actual name of this episode. I'm going to
go ahead and put what is the future of the
Internet parentheses seven years from now, because that's really what
it's about, unless you want to start talking trans humanism, chuck,

(01:34):
which I'm prepared to I like trans humanism, not on
this one though, Okay, but um, if you unless you're
prepared to talk about that. It's basically like, what's it
going to be like seven years from now? And there's
some pretty good guesses. Uh. And one of the people
who's not too shabby at guessing is um one of
our coworkers colleagues. His name is John Strickland, and if
you don't follow him on Twitter, you're missing out strick

(01:56):
of tex stuff. Yeah, his Twitter handles John Strickland, j
o in Strickland obviously one word, no other anything in between. Well,
Josh and LOUI of an interesting story from you that
is the opposite is supportive? No, no, no, we should
totally support him. I always do. I love straight even
though there's a fake Internet battle between us that fans

(02:17):
like to think exists, I know it's. Uh in lieu
of a great story, then how about I have a
few stats on just the Internet as it is and
as it was, then we can talk about what it
might be. How does that sound. Um, here's a nice infographic.
These all come from the Pew Research Institute Research Center

(02:37):
for People in the Press specifically, that's US Pew the press.
Are we yeah, technically good journalists? Internet adoption. This is
just a little infographic. In June, about four of American
adults eighteen and over adopted an internet used the Internet.

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Isn't that crazy? What year is that sounds right? Not
nineteen twelve, not that long ago? No, but yeah, I
remember that was back in the day of like Prodigy,
and they'd have answer prodgy. You'd still be like what
the Prodigy? Yeah? Yeah, what was prodigy? An like it
was a it was a web server? Was browsing I

(03:22):
P or yes? No service provider? Yes? Uh? November oh one.
So between June and November one and went from fourteen
percent to sixty percent, and today we stand at about
seventy seven percent. That's staggering to me. Sent Yeah, it's
not higher. Seventy eight percenter, men seventy six percent or

(03:45):
women pretty evenly divided. Uh, if you want to go
to household income is interesting to the hundred and fifty
percent is split pretty much even. No, no, no, seventy
eight percent of men using it and of women, so
just two percent more of men for some reason, um
household income. Think of the reason. If you make seventy

(04:08):
five grand or more a year, you have a nine
chance that you use the internet. And I guess the
other four percent are old people that don't understand it.
They're filthy rich. They pick up the keyboard and try
to talking to It's uh less than thirty thou dollars
per year. Surprisingly, still use the internet on a daily basis. Well,

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this is why they call it ubiquitous. It is ubiquitous.
And then finally, Josh, I'm going to finish up with
what people do on the internet. What American adults do
on the internet on an average day, Um, send or
read email? And then I found period like eight five
percent use email. So people don't check their email on

(04:56):
a daily basis. That's nuts. Those are what they call
the relaxed. People use a search engine to find information,
get their news, go online just for fun. Is that
the category? Yeah, thirty seven percent use some sort of

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social networking site. Um, yeah that was November. That's probably
even higher right now. Check the weather bank online every day,
watch the YouTube or a video sharing site. And about

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of people look for news and politics political information every day.
So just interesting. That's what's that is the current state
of the Internet. I think I do all of that
except um, news or not news, weather, little commerce, little news, shopping, communication,
social networking. It's all pretty basic it when you think

(06:00):
about it, compared to it's not basic. Um. But yeah,
well that's the whole point of the Internet. It's there
to serve us, right, that's right, Like it's supposedly all
of our needs right there. And what we're seeing right
now is a movement toward making accessibility easier and easier.
Very true. So um, one of the ways to make

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accessing the Internet easier and easier, Chuck, is to um
increase download speeds or what's called the effective data data
transfer rate. And also, I think we should put disclaim
right here. If you've ever wanted to chew me and
chuck up alive for missing something, for screwing up something,

(06:44):
for getting something just totally wrong, here's here's your chance. Um,
if you if you couldn't get us on the Sun
podcast or the Epigenetics podcast, here's your chance. So let
us know you can be nice about it. You don't
have to be a jerk, but you can definitely correct
us because we're open to that kind of thing. So

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the effective data transfer rate, right, that's the the the
average rate at which x number of bits um transfers
from one place to another, uh in some block of time.
How fast you're junk runs? You know, that's what we're
talking about. When I click on this thing, how fast
is it gonna load this movie? Right? And that's funny

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because movies are pretty much the go to standard of
how fast something goes? Right. So um Strickling wrote this,
and one of his first prediction for the future of
the Internet is that it's speed speeds are going to
be increased tremendously. I really went out a lender, but
that's what I'm saying. Like, if you go and look,

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if you do a search for future of the Internet,
you're not gonna find anything different than this. It's crazy, like,
no one's no one's sticking their neck out at all.
No one knows but he but he said that. According
to Akamai Technologies, which puts out a State of the
Internet report on a quarterly basis, the average global data
transmission speed late two thousand nine, which might as well

(08:13):
was one point seven megabits per second megabytes. I can
find the current one. I couldn't either. One reason why
is because if you look up stuff like this, all
you're gonna find is a T and D says it's
this fast, Verizon says you can get it this fast.
And it's people advertising how fast they can do it
right or average. It's some obscure website about you know,

(08:34):
like what what a four G network should be for Um,
somebody broke a record, and in fact there's a record
um that he mentions from Bell Labs right from this
is the current record as far as I know. Yes,
it could have been from yesterday and now it's outdated. Uh,

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this one, this one is pretty recent. Um. I believe
it was May maybe I'm not sure, but it was
a hundred petabytes. Okay, what's a pot a petabyte, chuck,
is a million gigabytes. So that's a hundred million gigabytes
in a second that they transferred, or a hundred billion
megabits Okay, let's just another way to say it. Or

(09:19):
I guess a trillion bits right better? Math is wrong.
So the and then of course that's that's in a second.
So they managed to transfer, um a hundred million gigabytes
of information in a second. And what does that mean
in DVDs, which are like the big max of the internet. Right, Well, um,

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it turns out that they transferred twenty two million DVDs
worth of information in a second. Right now, this is
using a laser. Well yeah, and I need to point
out I did go to the Acamite technology site which
publishes this quarterly report, and it sat there as a PDF,
and I was like, oh great, Q four or Q one.

(10:02):
I was like, perfect, click. You must be a member
to access this information. So the point is, though, is
not that we know the average transfer rate worldwide. The
point is is what we're getting and what is potentially possible.
Uh is there's a huge gap there between what you
can get commercially, right and while that while that transfer

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of a hundred peta bytes was across a laser, which
no one's using right now in a commercial network not
yeah yeah, Um, there's the record for fiber optic, which
is in wide use, that's your broadband. Um it was
twenty six terabytes, which is um, I think a thousand gigabytes.

(10:43):
That's fast. Yeah, So twenty six thousand gigabytes in a second.
So that's still a broadband, huge gap between what is
available to us. So the whole point of this is
is this is where we can potentially end up. Is
you can download a movie to watch an HD movie
in a second, right just by clicking on it. What

(11:03):
makes me said is that we're not already at like
a petabyte of information transferred already. I wonder what all
the reasons I don't like on our local area network
here at the office, it says like hundred megabytes a second.
It's like, no, it's like, that's what I could be getting,
but it's never what you get, and I just think
it's it's the Internet's fast, but it could be faster. Agreed.

(11:26):
That's point one, all right, And the prediction is it
probably will be wirelessly and landline base and wireless is
going to get faster and faster, and that's probably where
people are going to start putting most of their money
if they're not already in figuring out ways to make
it faster and faster, because wireless is what everybody wants, right. Um,

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If the Internet is found in devices, if that's the
future of it and how it's consumed, then wireless is
probably the basis of most of these devices. And not
only that, Chuck, Not only do consumers want it, but
companies Internet service providers want wireless to be the next
Internet as well, because that SEC ruling from December of

(12:10):
two thousand ten on net neutrality basically said, yes, the
Net needs to remain neutral unless it's wireless, and they
left the door open for wireless Internet service providers to
show favoritism. And this is the second part of the
John Strickland prediction extravaganza of the future of the Internet.

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Where the Net's going to be going. That's right. Net neutrality, Josh,
is a big can of worms of which we could
do an entire podcast, but we're gonna only pull one
worm from this and simply say, if you've heard the
term net neutrality, you don't know what it is. Basically,
it is keeping the Internet wide open. No matter which
I s P you're using, you can access the same

(12:52):
content as someone else using another I s P. The
potential against this would be, uh if an I s P,
let's say, cuts a deal with certain vendors with the
site a website, Yeah, certain websites doesn't have to be
a vendor, but it could be then they're gonna put
their juice, their best juice into making that really fast

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fast load. Right, you would get your hundred megabytes a
second download for that website, but maybe the other website,
which may be the competition of that other website, it's
gonna make it really slow or just not make it
be available at all. And like a cable company, you
can't get our beloved science channel, which is wrong. Yes, uh,

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because you know certain cable companies they got a monopoly
in your area and you're like, oh, I can only
go with um blank cable company in my area, and
they don't carry these channels or they don't carry the websites.
That's the future, um And And that's a big problem
because the Internet was the model of it was kind
of based on all the mistakes that have been made

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in the past, learning from that and then now once
we realize what we have at our hands, it became
less neutral in December two thousand ten, um And it's
a big, big deal. Yeah, it really is. You We've
seen with the Arab Spring how touchy people get when
um you shut down their access to the Internet. Revolutions occur, right,

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So centering the Internet in any way, shape or form
is um is a definite no no. But the problem
with this FCC ruling is that it allows for basically
um financial censorship of the Internet. And one of the
problems with this, this lack of net neutrality is if

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you get what you pay for, then the Internet will
become divided across class lines. Yeah, the biggest websites that
can afford fastest download times and speeds will weed out
the mom and pop quote unquote of the Internet. Right,
and then just based on the the basic capitalist theory,

(15:02):
those websites aren't just gonna hang out over here and
hope that, you know, the net expands once again. They're
gonna weather on the vine and die, and we're going
to have a paired down, leaner, probably more corporates version
of the Internet exactly. And what I think should happen, Josh,
and I think a lot of people agree, is to
let it be a little more Darwinian, which is what

(15:24):
it has been, which is keep it an even playing
field and just see who survives. And if you if
you remember when all the startups the big boom in
the nineties, when I mean there were so many new
commerce sites and I remember thinking at the time. You
know the Amazons will survive and all the other ones

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are a lot of the other ones will die off,
But you think is going to make it. I had
a director I worked that bought a lot of stock
in the web band. Yeah, I have a friend who
did that didn't work out so well. And I'm not laughing.
It's not funny. I feel very bad for people who
put a lot of money into a start of field.
But that's my point is it was. It was a
level playing ground. At least, it's whoever does it the

(16:07):
best will win out. And the Amazon's one out, the
YouTube's one out. Did you did you put your money
where your mouth was? And like invest in the Yahoo's Dude,
do you think I had any money in? You can't
have any money in two thousand eleven. If you had
money in ninety five, you would have it in two
thousand eleven. I imagine unless you hung onto that Yahoo stuck. UM.

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One of the ways that that net neutrality, I guess
is threatened is is UM a lot of companies that
make devices UM weren't waiting around to see what how
the FCC ultimately ruled or whether the net would remain neutral.
They started making what are called walled gardens. Right, So

(16:51):
the devices, I should say, by the way, they're called
tethered appliances. What are we talking about. It's an iPhone
and droid smartphone. But let's let me Apples is such
a great example of this. I'm gonna pick on Apple,
but it's not just Apple doing this. Like, um, the
Xbox Xbox Live. You can't access Xbox Live through any

(17:13):
other other device than the Xbox. That makes the Xbox
the tethered appliance. You have to have that to do that. Okay,
So um, with the with the iPad or the iPhone,
it's a that's a tethered appliance. Um, you use that
to access what's called a walled garden. Right. The the

(17:33):
it does the iPhone, it's supposed to be. It's a
very nice, pleasant, like um, user friendly, very design heavy
corner of the Internet. It's part of the Internet, but
you can't get to it through traditional means. You have
to get to it through this device that you buy
from this company, and they own this section of the Internet.
The iPhone app Store is a part of the Internet

(17:55):
that Apple owns that you can't get to any other way.
So there's this one way to get in there. And
as uh say, you know you can't get to the
iPhone app store to your droid, right, so you can,
you can. But let's say, let's say the market share
for handheld mobile devices um went to Apple and droid

(18:21):
head ten percent. But you can't survive with ten percent,
and eventually it's going to be Apple that creates the
user experience of the Internet. That ubiquitous design. I'm sorry
to use that word twice, but that that design that's
just so emblematic of Apple, that is so many people's
experience of the Internet. Yet you're experiencing the Internet through

(18:46):
Apple's exactly nice, chuck. But the Android has completely different design.
It's a completely different experience. And if you ever put
an Android user in an iPhone user into the same room,
they are barely talking about the same thing. Yeah, even
though what they're talking about our handheld devices that access

(19:07):
the Internet supposedly the same Internet. And then all right,
think about this. You've got, um, let's say, a less
popular handheld device these days, like the Carnival, like the palm,
Let's say the Carnival, the Carnival. A people are are

(19:27):
designing apps for the droid, and the companies are designing
apps for the droid and the and the iPhone like
crazy because those are the two biggest ones and they
want to get it all over the place. You feel
maybe bad for other handheld devices that don't have people saying, oh, man,
I want to design a CARNIVALI app so CARNIVALI users

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can have that same rich experience. CARNIVALI doesn't have the money.
I mean, I'm sure they're trying to get in that
marketplace and design their own cool apps. But the apps
are coming from the apps are coming from how stuff
works dot com and what we do apps for. We
did apps for the droid and for the iPhone. So far,

(20:10):
we haven't done a car Carnival. We have not done one.
And poor Carnivale is gonna suffer one day because essentially
they're being left in the dust. And the Internet experience
is being lived through two handheld devices and eventually there
could possibly be one or you know, or it could
expand in the BlackBerry or I'm sorry, the the uh,

(20:31):
the Strawberry could catch up and and revolutionize things and
get way more apps than the iPhone. Who knows, but
itself follows that same model. I mean, ask Adobe. They
make flash and everybody loves flash. A revolutionized how we
how we consume material on the internet. Right. The Apple

(20:55):
chose not to operate flash on its OS, and it's
mobile OS. So any site that has flash, you just
have that little cube, the little Rubric's cube, and that's it.
In Apple is not the least bit apologetic of it.
And the crazy thing is is Apple users aren't demanding flash.
Flash is just going the way of the dinosaur because

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Apple chose not to support it. And now everybody's like,
there's a whole HTML five developer movements out there where
this is the next thing that's going to replace flash,
right because Apple chose not to support flash, Right, how's it?
That's that's the That's the Internet being carved down by
people who, um are making decisions for everybody else. How

(21:38):
are we doing on this? We could? I think we're okay.
I think one of the ways we're getting away with
this in large part is that we are this is
opinion well, and I know I feel like I'm in
a in a lake with like the waters just under
my nose because dealing with this text stuff is such
Strickland's line of work and he feels so comfortable with it,
and uh, I just have And with Techy's especially, it's

(22:01):
not like we're talking about you know, bear spray and
like five people know that we're in over our heads.
Techy's really pay attention and there to be like these
guys are so wrong. I know, I know, and again
if we are, if we are wrong, please do correct
started discussion. We like that. Yeah, um, but Chuck, I
feel like I'm bleeding from under my fingernails from just
hanging on. That's two. Number two is that the Internet

(22:24):
will be a leaner, slicker, more corporateised version of itself.
Now perhaps possibly there's a book I read across. I
haven't read it. I just came across it today. Um,
it's by a guy named Jonathan ZiT Train z I
T t R A I n uh. It's called The
Future of the Internet and How to Stop It. That's
where I got the tethered Appliances thing. And he's basically like,

(22:47):
we need more like user generated stuff and less walled gardens.
And if we don't have them, if we don't do
something now, then when it's we're toast because there's so
much cash to be made out there on the Internet,
that it's gonna be a big fight either way, even
if there is success in creating um a more democratic internet,

(23:10):
right or maintaining it. I guess. So that's some of
the tech stuff. What's the third one? Oh, yeah, we
know this one. Yeah, Nicholas Carr, We've talked about this. Uh.
This guy wrote a book, I'm sorry, an article called
his Google making a Stupid that got a lot of press.
We used it in presentations, we've used it in podcasts,
and the hypothesis is that the way you navigate and
read things on the Internet is not like book learning.

(23:33):
In book reading, it's not deep vertical absorption. It's horizontal
and it's spotty or right bapid absorption. And it's basically
his argument that just because we have this library of
information doesn't mean that we're using it to make a
smarter Well, he was saying that it's it's so revolutionized

(23:56):
how we learned by the access we have the information
that it's changing our brains were being cognitively restructured. I
believe that to a certain degree. Oh I do too, man.
My attention has decreased spectacularly over the last four years.
Since I've worked here well, and then I did Stuff

(24:16):
from the Future podcast this week. It's one over us.
It is out awesome. Tell them everybody about it, real quick.
Stuff from the Future. It's a podcast where someone just
muses on something for about five minutes on what it
might be like. Mine was personal communication, and my point
that I was making is that people are not communicating
the same way since the advent of the smartphone. They're

(24:37):
not even talking on the phone as much because the texting. Uh,
they're not talking face to face. And what does that
mean a hundred years down the road? Are people gonna
be freaked out having when someone drops by their house
and knocks on the door, or when someone I'm already
close to that point, or when somebody has a personal
eye to eye confrontation with you. I'm right there, buddy,

(24:59):
I'm the future. You're looking at it. So I argue
that all you see nowadays, or the tops of people's
heads instead of eyes, all you see is people looking
down all the time everywhere, and that we're not flexing.
We can't remember anything. We don't have the opportunity to
remember something we used to know and flexing those deep
memory muscles because you can hardly get the word out

(25:21):
who was that someone before someone has looked it up
and told you who it was. So there's no more
tip of the tongue experiences, there's no more deep memory.
But we're flexing different parts of our brain, like how
to use my thumbs to type, so I think, but
it's making us stupider. So that's your that's I mean,
it's certainly changing things, and I don't know if it's

(25:43):
for the better. I mean, we have immediacy of information.
But the way Strickland took it was that car was saying,
like we're taking our um need to keep this information.
And I know he made this point in this article,
but like we had to to to to know the
right answer to something before we had to know it,

(26:03):
and now we don't have to know it because we
have a repository that anybody can access through their phone
now to go get the answer. So it's like a
giant collective brain that we're coming to rely on, exactly.
But what happens when that brain malfunctions or that brain
is being fed certain information that's false, that's false, or

(26:24):
that's you know. I'm not saying it's gonna be like
but dumbed down if it net neutrality, if the government
gets more involved and all of a sudden, I mean,
look at what's already going on in China. They're being
fed specific information and that could one day be our
truth in reality. Man, that was dystopian. Yeah, with my

(26:45):
my um concern about it, it's kind of closer to yours.
But it's more that, like my brain is literally being
restructured physically through plasticity, that instead of being able to
absorb something deeply, I'm getting the bits of information I
need out of something very quickly. And then you know,
when that brings up another question, I just opened a

(27:07):
new tab swarch for that question. Start putting stuff together,
so I'm able to connect seemingly disparate ideas into a
third hybrid idea. But at the same time, I'm not
necessarily getting it that you know, when something clicks, it's

(27:27):
things don't click anymore, But though those are such beautiful
moments when they do click, the tip of the tongue
moments when you finally think that thing, it's such a
rewarding experience. And that's going away to a large degree. Yeah,
when things just clicking, when you know it is that
what you mean, that's not what you're saying. Is it clicking?
You know? What I'm saying is like the tip of
the tongue moment, like when you can't think of something
like oh, what was it? What was it? And when

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you finally think of it two hours later, it's so great.
But that can't happen anymore because I'm dummy, won't even
give you the chance to think of it. It's just here.
It was the Jackie Chan We actually at Max foncan
at um Uh the after party in Hodgeman's room. He
was about twelve folks hanging out and he'd said, this

(28:09):
is a Google free evening. He said, no one touch
your phone, leave in your pocket. And we spent three
hours talking and many things came up that people were like, oh,
what was that? What was that? And it was it
was like no one like it was like the old
days six years ago when you would have these awesome
conversations and not be able to think of something and
be like, oh man, And then the next day you

(28:31):
would see one of those people and say, dude, I
thought of what that was? And uh, I don't know.
I think the smartphones are ruining things in a lot
of ways. Yeah, there's a lot of problems they're not
connecting people like they're kind of putting up walls in
a lot of ways as they also connect. It's a conundrum.
I read something once. I think we should end on this. UM.
There's a rule of thumb out there that if it's

(28:56):
basically ETIQUETTEUM, when you can use your phone in a
social situation where I feel like, if you follow it,
you can still be a normal person. But if you wouldn't,
if you wouldn't pull out a crossword puzzle and start
doing it in the social situation, you shouldn't pull out
your fun right, It's pretty much the same thing. Yeah,
I like that. Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna just go over

(29:17):
a few of these. UM. Sarah Kessler at Mashable road. Oh, yeah,
these are a cool thing. UM. Six web pioneers on
what the Internet of the future will look like. Chuck
found five satisfactory, and so we'll this briefly go over
a couple of these. UM. Verry Glick, founder of map Quest,
you know the glixter. He says, uh, kind of what

(29:40):
we were talking about earlier. He said, right now, the
internet has been very computer oriented and that's the association.
You need a computer to connect. He said, that's going
away of course already. But basically he sees the future
of there being no boundaries. The Internet is just this
invisible present power supply, and all you will have is
uh access devices. There will be no more television, there

(30:03):
will be no more telephone. You'll just have these devices,
everything crammed into one that tap into the brain of
the earth. Interesting, you came up with the brain of
the earth thing, right, do you want to read? Uh? Yeah,
I liked UM. Jeremy Stoppelman, who is the CEO of Yelp,
and he talked about augmented augmented reality, which kind of

(30:26):
UM dovetails with his business because of his applications. Well,
there's an app for Atlanta I read about recently where
it's like you hold up your phone, this Matt feature
UM pops up like augmented reality on all the stuff
that's showing up on your phone of the area around you,

(30:47):
Like here's this restaurant special today, or um, this is
a great place to go dancing if that's your kind
of thing. But I don't think the augmented reality says
that part. But it's UM. I mean, it's already here.
That's that's I think extremely interesting to me that it's
like this. Do you remember those um, the human body

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and like the little celluloid. Yeah, you could peel back
right and it was like the skin and then you
peel back the skin and there's like all the muscles.
You peel that back, there's the organs and the nerves
and all that. It's kind of like laying one of
those over real life. I just it's really cool. I
think if you peel back the final one of those
books that just should have your face like the right
around the abdomen, but it but it's dead. It's like rotting.

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U that's horrifying. Actually, Ryan osamec president of Open Source Matter,
sees more and more focused on the cloud. Yeah, well yeah,
I yeah, obviously yeah. Um, I mean, like I said,
these guys aren't exactly going out on a limb uh
dries uh by a tart of the founder of Drupele

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thinks more websites within a single organization, more different devices
that need to consume those websites with different experiences, and
more social things. So basically more of what's going on
is what he thinks exactly more of the same. Interesting.
So I guess I want to say if anybody wants
to uh to tell us what we got wrong, that's fine,

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chuck uh Facebook as Josh and Chuck feature. Let me

(32:41):
call us something different every time? All right, we did
this that these are running concurrently on the previous show
where we post on Facebook. Ask us whatever. We'll buzz
through as many as we can. Some are funny, some
are serious, and we will treat them bestlie, We'll treat
them all funny. H Alex Embre You do you guys
prepare what you say together or by yourselves before your record? Alex,

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We've answered this before, but for new listeners, we do
not prepare. We do not go over stuff. We try
to just prepare separately and have a conversation. Yeah, and
record it pretty simple, That is it. That's the mojo.
Um I got one have we ever met Jad and
Robert from Radio Lab. I have not, but Robert Lamb

(33:24):
of Stuff to Blow Your Mind has interviewed him one
of the guys on the phone. Yeah, he's a big
fan of this. Yeah, I am too a huge fan. Uh.
What you gotta Chuck? Uh? What music are you listening
to right now? Attending any concerts this summer? I'm hopefully
going to attend here you, Louise, I'm listening to the

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new Bonnie Bear. It's good, new My Morning Jacket, New
p J. Harvey Tyler the Creator. Have you heard this kid? No,
it's your rapper. He's a part of that group DH
Future Will Destroy or the Earth or something like that.
They're there's just like nineteen year old kids out of
l A and it's just crazy. I'll check it out.

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It's really good and it's very creepy to like there.
I wouldn't kids shouldn't go listen to this stuff. No, yeah,
they think about some pretty awful stuff that the snakes. Yeah. Uh,
I'm listening to Herb Albert and Chuck Mangione. Two days
that I've been listening to you. I am going to
see Dylan in a couple of weeks. Are you Fred Dylan,

(34:30):
Matt Dylan, my morning Jacket and with Niko ka is
going to see them in a month or so. Oh
that's a good uh mash up? Yeah, good twosome. Yeah.
So that's all I have on the concert schedule. Tapes
and tapes actually in a few months too, Steve Mountain
as he's coming to and you saw, Um, I saw
a dinosaur Jr. Recently? Oh yeah, how's that? It was good?

(34:52):
James mask Us at the airport. Yeah, he was not
looking good. He was He was probably looking exactly the
same as when I saw him, a little haggard. Still,
it's a good show. Loud there, I said it was loud.
That's what you can say about dinosaurs Jr. Um Let's see,
what's my drink of choice, Chuck, what's your drink of choice?

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Like a good gin tonic or a good bourbon on
the rocks on the gin and tonic. Right now, I'm
on this one called Guadalajara Sour. It's awesome. Really. I
make a modified version of it that I'm not going
to give the secret away, okay, but um it's it's
good stuff. Lately, I've been by Decatur has a craft
beer store called Ale. Yeah, yeah, and they have they

(35:34):
sell growlers, So you buy your growler for like five bucks,
and then you just go up there and they have
like eight beers on tap and you can fill it
up for Can you ride off with it on your bike? Ah? Sure.
There's a there's a little uh market by Dead's garage
that has like a wine island, and it's like they

(35:57):
sell it by this measured amount and that you go
get a little prepaid car and you slap your card
in there and you stay in the middle of this
market and drink your wine start laughing at people after
a couple of glasses. That's right next to in we shot.
I'm gonna have to check that out. No, no, no,
not indicator. It's um Dead's garage. Okay. I was thinking
Bush Bush Yeah, and him and part Yes, Brian TBone Perkins,

(36:19):
Donald Duck versus Daffy Duck, Tim Boom Perkins, t Bone Perkins.
You have Ryan Tibon Perkins, Donald Duck or Daffy Duck. Um,
he says in a sing off. But I'm just gonna
say in general, easy Daffy Duck, Like that's who you
rather here, dude, No question. I was I was Looney

(36:40):
Tunes all the way. I was not a Disney kid.
I like Donald Duck. I heard when I was the
Kids that he was banned from like Sweden or something
like that for not wearing pain. You know, we heard
that in the podcast. I heard it a long time ago,
but the lady confirmed it in the podcast in a comic.
I think it was Sweden. Yeah, that's right, she did
send the calm. Yeah, what was that like two years ago?

(37:02):
It was a long time ago. You got any more?
You want to do one more each? Yeah? One more each? Um.
Let's see. How was Nick Cage an Academy Award winner
because of raising Arizona. That's not what he went for that.
It doesn't matter. He won because leaving Las Vegas. He
was awesome in that, and the competition that he was

(37:22):
pretty weak. The depressing movie Richard Dreyfuss and Mr Hollins
Opus was that year. Anthony Hopkins, Is Nixon, Massimo Troy
c and Il Postino. I thought bank I won. Now
you're thinking of roberta be Eating No, No, I know,
but Il Postino was like the Just and then the

(37:44):
other actually Sean Penn and Dead Men Walking. That was
his only real competition he didn't win. Now he should
have that, although Nick Cave was great. Yeah, all right,
my last one, Um, I ever want to do the
show without wearing pants? And my that is Cody Hi
Kneman and Cody. My answer is, what do you mean?

(38:04):
How about with wearing pants? Hey? Nice Chuck, I think
you answered for both of us on that. Yeah. Kelly
Chromely asked about Nick Cage by the way, Yeah, I'm
sorry about that. I haven't been uh saying people's names,
have I I don't know, I haven't. Sarah Chriscilius asked
what our drink of choice is? Uh. Well, if you

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