What's with this "Internet of Things"?

You may have heard about the Internet of Things and not known what the term meant. It's basically a collection of object conected to your life and the internet. We're talking everything from your smart phone to your fitness tracker. Cool stuff, but fraught with privacy issues.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from House Stuff Works
dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,
and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Jerome's to my right, uh,
and this is stuff you should There's probably some people going,

(00:22):
did they replaced Jerry with Jerome? Named Jerome? Yeah, that's
just the nickname we have for Jerry. Uh. It's a
it's an arcane reference to the librarian at the beginning
of Ghostbusters whose uncle thought he was sat Jerome. No, really,
that's what I've always been referencing. I thought we were

(00:43):
on the same page about it. We also call her Jarre's.
That's a reference to nothing, right, Jerry, all right, that's
a that was a great Jerry Chuck um chuck. Yes,
have you ever been on the Internet of Things? M Well,

(01:03):
you can't really be on the Internet of things. I
don't understand. Explain. Well, the Internet of Things, my friend,
is a really just a collection of interconnected devices to
make your life simpler and more and less private, pretty
much in front with potential complications, but more convenient. Allegedly,

(01:28):
there's a lot of people who also say this is
all just a bunch of navel gazing in a lot
of ways, you know, Like, do we really need these apps?
I ran across a a vape for smoking weed as
they call it, that has an app. Uh, it's an
a vaping system for smoking. It's just a little pipe marijuana.

(01:49):
But but it's just a little pipe, and um, it
has an app that goes with it that remotely controls
it the heat settings and stuff. Oh does it like
things like you've smoked one ounce of weed this month? No,
which would be pretty intriguing. I guess that would be. Yeah,

(02:09):
And that's the point. There's a lot of there's a
lot of stuff that you can point to and say,
this is pretty neat. This thing feeds my cat while
I spend twenties three hours a day at work. Yeah,
that's it's nice that I can keep this cat alive
that I have no connection with any longer because I'm
at work all the time. But this machine feeds it
because I can control it remotely with an app. Right.

(02:29):
But if you have something tracking how much we do
you smoke? You're either smoking far too much or not
nearly enough, or you have too much money is another
way to put it. Yeah. Uh, you know what my
friend Clay. I don't know if you've met Clay, but
he told me something. The way, as far as being
concerned about security and privacy rights and things, is what

(02:51):
they do is they sell it to you first as
a convenience and then before you know it, you know,
dot dot dot Clay Clay never finished the sence he did,
but you know, I don't remember exactly he finished it.
Clay said this in Oh, yeah, I think i'd like
Clay like way before, like he was probably just talking

(03:12):
about geez, I don't even know, like a credit card
or something, and and he was just like, just be aware, man.
He was like, they sell it to he is a
convenience before you know what. Everyone is doing it that way,
and it's fraught with complications, was essentially what he was saying. Yeah,
I think that's very precient because that's exactly the point
that we're at right now. And we'll talk a little more,

(03:35):
well a lot more, I'm sure, about security and privacy
and all that stuff, but ultimately it's like you said,
the Internet of things. Is this A lot of other
people call it the internet, Like this is just the
next wave of the Internet. This is where the Internet
is going but the I guess the best description of
it is it's a series of interconnected UM machines devices that,

(03:58):
since the environment in a lot of k is, UM
can carry out some sort of function. Usually it is
a sensing function, and UM can communicate with central servers,
usually in the cloud, via the Internet. It's about as
simple as that. Like, that's the Internet of things. Yeah,
Like if you think, boy, this all sounds weird and
I don't use stuff like that, if you have anything

(04:18):
that has the word smart in front of it, then
you're probably using the Internet of things already, right if
you've got a smartphone that to a smart thermostat or
a smart smoke detector, or if you wear a exercise tracker.
This that's the Internet of things right exactly. And the
there's a lot of obvious steps that are right there

(04:40):
on the horizon coming after this is like the idea
that UM your refrigerator will be able to be like, oh,
these guys are almost out of cash. You milk, I'll
contact Amazon and have it delivered in two hours. And
you're like, I don't drink cash, you milk anymore? Fridge,
dupid fridge? How many times do I have to abuse
was you. But that's pretty neat. I mean I think

(05:03):
a lot of this. It's it's both good and a
little creepy. Like that'd be cool. If I showed up
at home one day and I was out of milk
and it was waiting on my doorstep, I of milk.
You wouldn't want waiting on your doorstep. O, cash your milk.
It doesn't matter. Oh you don't in refrigerate it no way,
because it's not milk, it's cash your juice. Yes, it
is what they should call it. Um the I don't

(05:25):
disagree with you, right, Like, I'm sure it is pretty neat.
It's pretty cool, and in five years it'll be totally
second nature to us. Right. But the in my experience,
the more mechanized, the more automated, the more convenient and
I just made air quotes, life gets, the more difficult
it is to keep up with, the less simple it is,

(05:48):
and the more horrific it is when something breaks down. Interesting,
So in within simplification, you think it becomes more complicated, Yeah,
because you you rely on machines that can break, and
when they break, you're like, I forgot how to order
cash your milk? Where you get that stuff. So you
think we're headed for idiocracy, uh, to an extent, But

(06:09):
I think it's more. It's more than that. In the
short term. I think it's just that it's it's so
much easier to walk to a grocery store and buy
cash you milk, and walk back home than it is
to um ensure that your fridge has all of the
updated firmware and make sure that it's it's ordering correctly

(06:29):
from Amazon, and to make sure Amazon gets there. And
you're just relying on all these other components rather than
your own two feet and the idea that the people
at the store are gonna have your cash you milk.
I see that in a way, but I also disagree
in a way. Like, for instance, I have I have
a few things in my life that I've set to
auto order, like air filters, baby formula, stuff that water

(06:53):
my fridge water filter like this stuff gets shipped to
me automatically, and it's wonderful because I don't have to
think about it at all. So does your fridge order
itself or you just put a time around like Amazon,
it's on a timer to these you know, not even Amazon,
like you know, the fridge filter company. You can just
set it to auto deliver like every sixty days. So

(07:13):
it's nice because I don't have to think about it.
The only thing is missing is the camera or the
device itself being hooked up telling the company, Hey, my
air filter is over or you know, spent um, which
would be pretty awesome to tell you the truth, if
your air filter could be like it's actually we're at
we need to go ahead and order. However, you know what,

(07:35):
that's a little I never really thought about that being
a little dicey, because you know, you need a new
water filter, trust me, Like really, but what if you
could get another month out of this one that you're
throwing away and you're ordering early, then they can sell
another to a year to you exactly. That's what I
assume when you're trusting them, like when they're like you
have to change your oil every three thousand miles or

(07:57):
or yeah, you need to change your water filter every
three months, Like I never changed my oil. Yeah, I forget.
That's for chumps. It's a scam. Uh anyway, all right,
so that's a little personal overview. The phrase Internet of
Things is actually coined, they think, in the late nineties
by guy named Kevin Ashton, who worked for PNG. I'll

(08:18):
bet he has a T shirt that says I coined
the term Internet of things. Well just so he can
invite people to punch him in the face or give
him a hug, depending on who you are. He worked
for Procter and Gamble, and he had a presentation, Uh,
they're at work where he said, you know what we
should do. We should put um radio frequency ID tags
r F I D s on lipstick in the store,

(08:41):
so and have that hooked up to a machine where
we could automatically send that information and say, hey, the
store is running low on lipstick, get a shipment over there.
And he coined the term Internet of things supposedly in
that meeting, and apparently though at this time, but prior
to that, the nineties were a big time for something
called ubiquitous computing, which is the basically the predecessor to

(09:05):
the idea of the Internet of things, where like computers
would just be integrated into our lives totally and completely um,
and the Internet of things is in that vein a
little similarly. But from stuff I've read, there's a lot
of people were like, I didn't quite feel fulfill the
promise of ubiquitous computing. This is just kind of like
life slightly more convenient now thanks to this, But that

(09:27):
that his original idea, Kevin Ashton's, makes total and complete sense,
you know, like the you could how many sales do
you miss when your lipstick thing is empty until you
get you find out it's empty, and then get to
refill it, Like if your lipstick the last one can
be like, hey, I'm the last one here, you guys,
better sense and replacements. It's great. That makes perfect, total sense,

(09:50):
and that was ultimately the original basis of the Internet
of Things. It's taking um dumb things and making them,
like you said, smart, by give then the ability to
sense their surroundings and communicate that data to a central
server where that's analyzed and then the proper people are alerted. Yeah,

(10:10):
and here's the thing that I also never considered is
they must have discovered that there was a need for that.
And the only need I can imagine would be that
the employees were so bad at realizing that they were
running out of stock that they would go several days
without having lipstick on hand. So they were like, these
people can't even do that. Well, what if let's say

(10:33):
that you have a person whose job it is to
restock lipstick, right, and they go one week and there's
like five million tubes of orange, so much orange, they
just take some handful and throw throw it away just
because they don't want their bosses to feel bad about
the orange lipstick that's not being sold. Tubes of orange
come back right the next week and it's all gone

(10:55):
sold out. And then it's erratic like that, you've got
an employee you're sending there, Um that's just hit or miss,
whether you just wasted a bunch of gas in the
employees time, rather than being alerted like now you guys
can come before it's too late. Sure, that's the thing
that makes the most sense to me. Kevin Ashton genius.

(11:16):
Maybe so I meant to look him up to see
what he was doing these days, if he was just
wearing the T shirt or he might be a professional
term coiner, you know, haven't worked out quite as well
to sit back in the fishnet of the future. Yeah,
that that was that kind of caught on a little
bit early in the two thousand's, but then it just yeah,

(11:37):
it went the way the dodo, which was coined by Yeah,
that's been around for a while. It's the Dodo. Um,
the Dodo died, all right, So let's talk about a
little bit what you What you've got essentially is a
is a step by step system that many times starts

(11:58):
with a smartphone this connected to the internet. Uh. Then
you have other pieces of hardware in your home that
are also connected to the internet, and there is most
likely an app for that hardware on your smartphone, and
then that's usually sent out to the cloud. It's not
some guy or some ladies sitting in a room in

(12:19):
looking at your data. It's eight thousand steps today, just
following behind you, counting count No, they're looking at the
data from your wearable. Yeah, so just in your guest room.
That become a neat I don't know. No, it depends
on whether they like get along with you, or if
they drink your cash you milk. Well, Todd drinks all

(12:43):
the cash you milk. So that's why Todd's not wanted.
He's being counterproductive. So then it usually goes to the cloud,
which is where we send our data these days, where
it's analyzed, and that's a big that's a big part
of the Internet things too, Chuck, is the cloud, because
that means that you don't have to analyze the day
in the little machine, in the little censer. All it
has to do is sense stuff and create that data

(13:06):
and then send it to the cloud, where you're basically
outsourcing all the analysis. That takes a lot more computing power.
So that was a big development that there's such a
thing as the cloud now. Yeah, that's it kind of
puts the smart into it all. Um. And if you're
wondering how big it is right now, that depends on
who you ask, but some say between fifteen and twenty
five billion devices already that are connected, and uh, some

(13:30):
people say by twenty it could be anywhere from fifty
billion to a trillion devices connected, depending on how much
it catches on, you know, how every day it becomes.
But it's at it that way for sure. I don't
think there's any going back from this. I think they're
going to stick a some sort of um computing hardware

(13:53):
that taps into the Internet on everything everything, okay, And
and it doesn't necessarily have to be a smart thermostat,
like they have devices now that you can tag to
everyday items to keep up with things. Yeah, or let's
say cameras that Let's say you have a security system

(14:15):
at your house that you can view from your smartphone
from anywhere in the world, and maybe it automatically calls
the police. That's the Internet of things, right you know. Yeah,
I mean there's a lot of great applications for it.
And again, like this is just we're in the the
nascent period of of this, like the stuff that's like, wow,

(14:36):
holy cow, I have a smart doorbell. That's amazing and
it's it's awesome and it works really well. But there's
you can't you basically can't apply your imagination to predict
what's even gonna be fifteen years into the future as
far as the Internet of things goes, Like just the
the change in uh, how we deal in inner act

(15:00):
with the Internet and our surroundings is it's it's inestimable. Yeah,
who wrote this one was a strickling No, this was
Bernadette Johnson. Well, she wrote a line in here that
I'm just gonna read because it really kind of hit
home for me. She said, we've essentially given common physical
objects both computing power and senses, and that explains it

(15:22):
to a t. Yeah, you did a good job with this.
There's a lot of information, Like you could do anything.
You can make anything smart that you wanted. You could
have a smart can't open her smart tuba lipstick, yeah exactly,
or smart tube of toothpaste that you know when you're
squeezing the end and your how do you get all
the toothpaste out? What's your method? Oh? You know they

(15:44):
make a little um remover. I can't remember what it's called.
You gotta you got a machine? No, well, yeah, I
have a smart toothpaste remover. It's like a little it
looks like a remember those candy lips, the wax lips.
It looks like those, but it's pocket right now. Okay,
so pull us out. Um. If you had a like
a slit in the lips, you put the tube of

(16:07):
toothpaste in the like the end of it in there,
and you just kind of tilted at an angle a
little bit and puts pressure and you just slide it
along and it pushes it to the to the front. Yeah.
I use my toothbrush to do the same thing. How
Oh you slide the tooth trust the toothpaste tube on
the sink and just you know, use it as a

(16:27):
uh flattener. Squeezer, squeezer. Yeah, that's a good one. Interesting. Yeah,
I never realized you just hacked your tooth brush. What
do you? Uh, what do you pay for something like
what you got? Like a dollar something like that? Yeah, yeah, nothing,
nothing too much. Well, boy, I guess I got away
with it. See now, if if I if there was

(16:49):
some sort of computing chip on this thing that calculated
how much toothpaste was left and sent that information to
my app, that would be a smart toothpaste squeezer, that's it.
Or you come home and open the mailbox and there's
a new toothpaste and you're like, I didn't even know
I was out because I haven't been using my my
lippy device. You know, Yeah, I forgot to brush my

(17:12):
teeth for three weeks. Let's take a break. Yeah, it's
getting a little silly. Yeah, And you go brush your
teeth and we'll meet back in here. And how long
does it take you to brush your teeth? Like? Seven?
Eight seconds? Great, we'll be back here in eight seconds.

(17:40):
By the way, seven or eight seconds is not nearly
enough time. I just know. That's washing your hands. You're
supposed to do the alphabet whie for brushing your teeth.
Either for washing your hands, or brushing your teeth, you know,
if you're supposed to do like three minutes for brushing
your teeth. I've got the we won't name check here

(18:01):
and buzz market, but I've got a mechanical toothbrush and
it um electric toothbrush and you know it has it
beeps and you divide your mouth up into four zones.
Oh yeah, I think I have the same top left,
top right, bottom left, bottom right, and it just beeps
and deep like vibrates. Oh really, it's already vibrating though.

(18:22):
How can you tell the difference? It changes its vibration really? Yeah,
how weird. I guess maybe it's a pause in the
vibration that I think about it. I just assigned to
a vibration. Yeah, the same deal though. Yeah. And they
again there's smart toothbrushes that can keep up with how
much you brush your teeth and that kind of stuff.
Are they really uh? Their WiFi connected toothbrushes that connect

(18:42):
to an app. You know, my brother in law, the
Marine Corps general um he. I used to laugh at
him because I was in his bathroom once and opened
the drawer and he had a log of his razor
and shaving log and like how many times he'd used
the raser And it's basically pre smart Internet of Things

(19:04):
smart razor, because I'm sure they have those now to
alert you, like when you should change your your razor blades.
I haven't heard of that one, but I wouldn't be
surprised if there was. I just thought it was very funny.
I mean, I said a lot about who he was.
Oh yeah, you know, and no surprised that he's a
Marine Corps general. If he's keeping up with stuff like that,
I can I can see him, like, um, I met him.
He's a great guy, just sitting at the edge of

(19:26):
the bed right before bedtime, petting his cat fifty times,
no more, no less, and than putting it in the
foot locker at the end of the bed for the night,
and like tucking himself in. Yeah, he's the one that
trere me on to peeing sitting down too. So oh yeah,
a great debt to him. Nice hats off. Is he
coming to our DC show again? Uh? No, man, they're
transferred over overseas for the first time ever. Are they

(19:47):
coming to our UK shows? No, not that overseas. I'm
not allowed to say where he's going. Okay, that's cool.
I'm with you top secret, huh. I can tell you
off the airs. That says, I see what you're saying.
It probably doesn't matter. I'm just respecting this privacy by
telling everyone that he taught me to be sitting down.

(20:07):
You really got starting that national combo? Why don't you
I just think it's important, you know, I need to
be talking about it. No mistakes is the motto of
the tagline. No no drips, no runs, no errors. Nice. Um,
did we just take a break and we came back
with this garbage? Maybe we should start over again, Jerry,

(20:29):
all right, well let's talk about the chech how about that? Yeah,
telemetry nothing new, No apparently, this says. And again, the whole,
the whole basis of the Internet of Things is what's
called machine to machine um communication. Right, you have like
your smart lipstick just sitting there sensing that it's the

(20:51):
last tube it can sense all day long, and it's
still a dumb stick, a lips lipstick. It can't tell you,
right unless it can communicate that data to the people
who need to know that stuff. And they do that
through machine to machine communication. And like you're saying, telemetry
was the original version of that, which apparently dates back
the Yeah, it's comes from the Greek um tele means

(21:14):
remote and uh metro metron means measure. And that's where
you're basically in a remote area, you would measure something
and then send that uh via back then telephone line, right,
like an Arctic station or something set up to watch animals,
like deep in the jungle or something. It's like, there's

(21:36):
a world the beast, don't we go there's a wild beast.
That was early telemetry exactly. And that's essentially just an
extension of what we're doing now. Yeah, now it's an
extension of from then. Well we've we've built upon that.
I mean think like the first dial up stuff that
was I would guess probably telemetry, you know, the series
of like the and all that. I mean, you're sending

(21:57):
signals from one machine to another saying and let me online.
Yeah it's your problem. Why are you so slow? Uh?
And what's allowed the Internet of Things to take root? Um?
Very simply it gets more complicated, but the invention of
the Worldwide Web by Mr Tim Burners Lee off Man
h Then the ubiquitous nous is that a word? Ubiquity ubiquitousness,

(22:24):
ubiquitousness of WiFi. Although yeah, I think ubiquity is yeah,
is that right? Yeah, WiFi, I do the porky pig
thing where I just skip it. Um, the the widespread
nature of WiFi all of a sudden, where um, you
don't have to be physically connected to something that really

(22:44):
advanced things speed. And then like we already said, the cloud, Yeah,
I think the cloud is the thing that really kind
of allows it more than anything else. It's just if
you had to have that kind of computing power right
there in the sensor, then it's just would be very limiting.
You couldn't put it on just anything, and it would
be a lot more expensive. To these things that they're

(23:05):
adding to to you know, normal inanimate objects to make
them smart are very cheap to produce. They just need
a few components. They need computing hardware, they need sensors,
they need communication hardware, and then they need some sort
of power source, which you can get that from the
machine itself that you plug in, right, So like if

(23:28):
it's a smart coffee maker, it can draw power from
the the plug that the coffee maker runs off of.
And then it needs Internet access, which if you have
a smart coffee maker, but you don't have internet at
your house. You made a poorer decision in your coffee
maker purchase. Like pretty much everything comes with internet access
at this point right in the Western world. Sure. Uh.

(23:48):
The other thing we've kind of been talking about is
UM your own devices in your home. But it just
you don't have to be just hooked up to things
that you own. You can hook up to other like
SIST devices. Like let's say your town has UM devices
that monitor traffic conditions, you can tap into that. I
guess that's what WAYS is, right or is that all

(24:10):
self reported? I looked up and UM, it seems to
be all self reported. But there's something called like WAYS
Citizen or something like that, and it it appears to
be WAYS trying to get smart cities to let them
tap into their information like traffic cams and stuff like that. Yeah,
and apparently that's already a thing like if you just
leave your phone open or like the Bluetooth on, if

(24:31):
you're driving through a smart city with UM traffic sensors,
it basically uses your phone's information while you're in traffic
as real time traffic information because your phone has something
like a an accelerometer in it, so it knows how
fast you're moving at any given point. And if it's
giving that information to just a panel on the side

(24:52):
of the street, that panel can put all that info
together and be like oh, peach trees like super backed
up right now, and then if Ways can get their
hands on their information, they can send that out to
their users. But for right now. Ways, as far as
I know, is is it's a it's a social apps.
It relies on its users to update conditions, which, by

(25:14):
the way, Ways I think might be the best app
of the twenty one century so far. I didn't start
using it. I had it on my phone for a while,
but I never used it, but have a little bit recently. Um,
I don't I don't like interact with it much. I'll
just set it to tell me where to go, like
I don't report accidents and things. Does that mean I'm

(25:35):
a bad user? I mean you're you're you're using like
the efforts of other people without contributing. I mean the
point is is for everybody to contribute. It makes it
more robust. But it's not like you're going to show
up at your house, you pull over on the highway,
that's That's probably the one big thing about about ways

(25:55):
is that like you're not supposed to be using it
in that situation. If you're the driver, you're supposed to
be the passengers. But they're also kind of telling you
to you know well, I mean there's a thing that
when when it comes up or when you try to start,
it'll say like are you a passenger? And they just
assume that you're going to just be truthful about that. Yeah.
That's like the website to say, like, tell us your

(26:15):
twenty one by clicking here exactly and then welcome to
the party. Yeah, and the twenty year olds like, no, shoot,
you can click on this close two weeks, I'll be
back in two weeks um. The other thing I was
wondering too, like what if the lipstick as an example,
what if they that's open uh to where you can

(26:36):
look at your app and say like, well, no, this
store is out of lipstick. That'd be cool, you know. Yeah,
I said, of having to call and talk to a
dumb person, I know it's awful wait for them to
go look with their eyes. Well, but you know, I
get it though, because now the days you call and
say hey, I want to check and see if you
have something stock, and you usually met with all right,
hold on and not like sure, I'd be happy to

(26:58):
go check before user. They're like, oh man, I can't
wait to get outsourced to a robot, right. But then
you get to the store and they don't have it
in stock, and you're like, I called and asked someone.
They're like, who'd you talk to? There's no one by
their name of works here. Sorry, and he's like got
covering his name back with his hand. Um and Chuck.

(27:19):
Speaking of smart cities, you know, traffic info is a
big one, so was um smart traffic lights, which I
wish they's been around starting when I was sixteen, because
there is there are a few things to me that
are more of a waste of time than sitting in
a traffic light when there's no traffic going through Decatur
where near a while it is famous for its lights

(27:42):
not being timed or trip tripped or whatever, and it's
there forever it's horrible. Yeah, Decator does have really long
lights and yeah, they don't even have the We found
out it's either a metal detector or a weight sensor
that where there's like the lines that where they obviously
cut out the the um a hard top in front
of you in front of a light. If you don't

(28:04):
even have that, that's a problem. But even those ones
that have sensors don't always like to it immediately. This
should be like, it should be a lot smarter than that.
And that's part of what the revenure engine. You're that
guy have to stop right? You know Decatur's motto when
you drive in it says Decator, what's your hurry? Really? No,
I can kind of see it actually slow down, Decatur.

(28:26):
What's with all the baby strollers to be another one
road baby strollers? Why they have this big off road
like jogging baby stroller with the huge tires and yet
one of those Yeah, but that's uh, well no, I
mean that I don't really go off road, But that's
because the sidewalks in my neighborhood are awful there. They suck.

(28:47):
Ye is off road might as well be like tree
roots growing up everywhere, that kind of thing. Yeah, they're like, O,
this tree's never gonna grow, Let's put a sidewalk up
right next to it. Um, well, you're talking about smart cities.
The other cool thing part actually that they could do
They might actually be doing this is infrastructure, like embedding
sensors into sidewalks. Well, that's a good example. Like a

(29:10):
sidewalk that becomes cracked or broken, or bridge that becomes
weak in one point, they can send the signal and say, hey,
maybe you should come check out this bridge, and then
eventually they will send a signal to the robots sidewalk crew,
who will come out and prepare the sidewalk and everything
will look perfect all the time thanks to the robots. Right,

(29:30):
but there's forty robots and like thirty of them are
just standing around working And where did they learn to
smoke cigarettes? It seems weird to get so rubbed at
cigarette breakes because I didn't smoke. Yeah, and I was
always like, you know, I'm just gonna go stand outside
and the boss will be like, you can't do that. Yeah,

(29:51):
I mean you could take a break, but cigarette brakes
weren't even real breaks. Someone's just like a new smoke,
but you can never go you know, I'm just gonna
go stand outside for five minutes. Like you have to
be killing yourself to make that allowed. Yeah. No, I
that dawned on me when I was smoker, to like
that's when I was young and like, uh, you know,
I was more angry back then about justice. Yeah. So again,

(30:13):
we can sit here basically all day and talk about
you know, devices and applications for this kind of thing.
But there's some hurdles that are coming up that need
to be addressed, um pretty soon, and we'll talk about
those right after this. Alright, chuckers, we're back hurdles. So

(30:45):
right now, there's some immediate hurdles, including the idea that
a lot of smart technology operates on using totally different languages,
different protocols, different everything, um, so that if you have
a house full of different smart gadgets, you probably have
an app for every single one of them, rather than

(31:06):
one integrated gap or app. And that's that's a it's
not a hurdle, like you can have that many apps,
but the idea of it being seamlessly integrated into just
one part of your phone would be great. And if
they could talk to one another without you having to
control it. You know, like you're, um, you're the light

(31:28):
sensor on your light shade notices that the sun story
and you go down, so it opens your blinds a
little bit, right, and when that happens that you're you're smart.
Candle up slicer knows that you like a slice the
candle up before dinner, so it slices up the candle up.
And they're all talking to one another. So it's not
like everything's on a timer and things happen at once.

(31:49):
It's happening because one thing is sensing this and it's
relaying that information to the other devices in your house
is as well, that's not happening right now. Yeah, what
I need is I need between seven and nine am.
I need my toilet, toilet to flush about every eight minutes. Yeah,

(32:09):
man alive. It would be my smart house. Or as
soon as the coffee starts brewing seven minutes later, the
toilet flushes. That happens. See, coffee is good for that.
It's great for that. But that's another thing that's coming
very soon too. Smart toilets. I can tell you, like,
you've got a lot of Billy Rubens in here, Yeah,
what's up with that? It'll say, what's up with that?

(32:32):
Uh So, basically, what you're talking about is systems that
aren't integrated because it's a bunch of different companies with
all their own devices. But there are companies trying to
come together to um join up with open source platforms uh,
and one of them is created by Qualcom called the
All Scene Alliance, which is when like it sounds something

(32:54):
like from a future horror movie, sounds really creepy, the
All Scene Alliance or a new speak like we might
as you might as well just say, like, we want
a camera in every room of your home so we
can all just talk to each other and make your
life simpler, just relax, laid back. Apple's Home Kit always

(33:15):
make it sound cute and not creepy, and it's probably
creepier than the All Seeing the Lions. Yeah, a bunch
of people have one. Google, as M, Samsung, there's one
called everything That's missing a couple of vowels. Wink is
a big one. Um, it's a big one right now.
It controls some stuff like I think Phillips lights, and
it works with Nest maybe or something like that. It
does like two things, so it's like cutting manage right now.

(33:38):
But um, as the author of this article, Bernadett Johnson
puts out, none are all encompassing, which I saw that
and I was like, Mitch Hedberg would have like that sentence,
none are all encompassing. Yeah, he said he was like
trying new words and um rather than like totally he
said he was eating totally too much. They'd be like
Mitch to you like s'mores, and'd be like all encompassingly.

(34:02):
So another hurdle, UM that we are already getting around
was um. Back in the nineties, we started to realize
we were running out of IP addresses. The standard IP
address was the UH, well it still is in some ways,
the I p V four. Yes, I p V four,
And in the nineties they got smart. It wasn't like

(34:24):
the Y two K bug. We're like, oh my gosh,
things are going to be different in a month. Uh.
They got on this a while ago and created the
I p v six and started UH basically created uh
potentially what's the number, an undisillion number of at three

(34:46):
forty undisillian addresses that is one with thirty six zeros
behind it and enough to give uh IP addresses to
everyone on the planet times ten to the tw the
eighth power right, So basically they said, we don't want
to run out ever again. Well, the funny thing is,
Chuck is in one when they came up with the

(35:09):
I p v four that came up with four point
to nine five billion possible addresses. Yeah, they're like, that's
we're doing. And then what within like thirty thirty years,
thirty five years, they started really run out. And apparently
there was a prediction that in two thousand and fifteen
we were gonna straight up run out of I p
v four Internet addresses or IP addresses UM, and apparently

(35:33):
that was a cliff we avoided, obviously, because that's still
we're still making things that have their own IP addresses.
I thought they did run out, No, they used They
used different things to mitigate it, including this network address
translation really kind of open things up, and that's where
a server identifies a network as a single IP address

(35:53):
and then leads it to the local network to decide
where the information that's supposed to be going to. One
can you around the network goes see what I'm saying,
but to the server, to the rest of the Internet,
that whole network, which can be a ton of computers
um is just one IP address. So you just reduced
it by that many computers that are on that local network.

(36:15):
That was a big one. But then also building um
new things on the i p v six platform has
helped mitigate it. A little bit too. So I think
it's a cliff that we came very close to but
avoided going over. Well, it doesn't matter now because I
p V six is the new way forward. It is,
but there's a lot of stuff still in use that's
plenty good for the next couple of years that have

(36:37):
like I p V before p I p V four
addresses that still need to like they're like me too, Well,
that doesn't matter. They can they're compatible now. Well, they're
working to make them compatible. I think they're already a
long way down that road. They're using both seamlessly pretty much. Um,
there's a great wire state, well I think so. There's
a great Wired article about it. Uh and they basically say,

(37:00):
at first they weren't entirely compatible. Uh, you had to
have some sort of layer in between to make them
basically be friends. And um, they're still working on it.
It's not like finished, but it said so far the
transition has been pretty seamless. Like you're using you're interacting
with I PB six right now. You don't even know it. Yeah,

(37:20):
I would assume like if you have something that was
made in the last couple of years, it's probably I
p V six, That's what I would guess, So that's
pretty neat Undistillian didn't even know there was a thing.
I didn't either, I had to look it up. It's like,
what the heck is that a typo on? So I
don't think we can put it off any longer, Chuck.

(37:41):
There's a lot of security and privacy concerns that crop
up from the just the presence of the Internet of things. Right,
if you have a bunch of sensors in your house
collecting data and everything from you know how how many
times you toss and turn in your sleep to um,
you know how many minutes the toilet needs to be

(38:03):
flushed in intervals to whether you're moving around your house
or not, whether you're home. There's a lot of sensors
in in even now the standard home in the United States, UM,
that can that are collecting data and there's not a
lot of regulation on what happens to that data, who

(38:23):
has access to that data, how safe that data has
to be, and um, it's just wide open for government surveillance, hackers,
targeted ads. I mean, if you're paranoid about government stuff,
then this probably worries you. Hacking as a whole different
can of worms, like everyone should worry about that. Yeah,
I feel like everyone should worry about governments aveillance as well,

(38:47):
big time some people. You know, I think that's bunk.
But governments aveillance well some people. Yeah, sure they are fools.
Maybe people are utter fool and the world is full
of fools. That's crazy to me. How could you not?
I mean, like, there's there's testimony from the head of

(39:09):
the n s A. There was Snowdon releasing the prison files. Like,
how could anyone just say, no, that's not the case
any Well, what you're saying is everyone should be as
up on this as I am. And that's that's the
foolish statement. Your people on the street today, fifty of
them would say that's just that's just conspiracy stuff that

(39:30):
I see. I thought you were saying like people knew
and and they were saying like, no, this isn't a
real thing. No, I think I got most people probably
have their head in the sand of totally agree. I
see what you mean. I still think they're foolish and
and sad because there's the one thing that would press
security into the Internet of things. There isn't any right now,

(39:53):
there's virtually none, but I mean, it's all got to
be self installed, not by the person but by the company, like, hey,
we know you're probably worried, so we've done this, this
and this right. And the way that that will happen
is if people say, oh, that brand is not very secure,
I'm going to go to their competitor, which is super secure,
or if they get sued, sure, and that will cause
brands to which are self regulating right now as far

(40:15):
as security goes, to become more secure. But if people
are unaware of it or just don't think that kind
of stuff is going on, then there's not gonna be
any call for that, and they'll be able to continue
to put sensors, sensors in our home, devices in our
home that can you drop on us, that can detect
all sorts of different things about us without any thought
for security whatsoever. Yeah, well, they have a great example

(40:37):
in here, and it's not just the Internet of Things
is already happening. Um with target His dad in two
thousand twelve got mad because his teenage daughter was getting
baby ads targeted toward her, and he was like, why
are you trying to get my teenage daughter to have
a baby? Why do you keep center to this stuff.

(40:58):
And he found out she's pregnant and was like he
actually apologized to them, but I still think like he
had a beef because what I thought is they were
just using her search uh information to target ads like,
which is what goes on all the time. But she wasn't.
What Target does is they have every customer. Every time

(41:23):
you shop at Target with a credit card, you have
a guest I D number that says, oh, here's that
credit card from Josh Clark again, he's back in my store.
Here's all the things that he's bought. Uh. So let's
target ads at him simply by shopping there without using cash,
which I didn't know that happened. Well, yeah, and it

(41:44):
used to be you had to sign up for like
a rewards program like a Kroger cards that I understand.
This is the same thing without you opting into it.
You know. Yeah, it's just tracking your credit card. And
I think it's New York Times. I read one article
where eventually they quit talking to the New York Times,
but he got a little information at first, uh, And

(42:05):
he said he talked to a Target employee that said,
here's the hypothetical example. Let's say this. There's a girl
in Atlanta shopping here. She buys a cocoa butter lotion.
She buys a big purse that could be a diaper bag.
She buys magnesium supplements, uh, and a bright blue rug.
They might just surmise, Hey, I bet this lady's pregnant,

(42:26):
but she's gonna have a boy because she's gonna buy
that bright blue rug. He's gonna smell like cocoa butter.
And yeah, and so you know what, I bet you
she's doing August too, uh, determined to buy what she's purchasing.
So let's start bombarding her, bombarding her with ads. And
that just seems a little creepy if you're not opting
in with I mean, it's a little creepy anyway if

(42:46):
you get like the shopper's card, but you're you're saying like, sure,
I'll take a little bit of a discount and exchange
for you keeping checking my spending habits, or you willingly
check the box terms and conditions with reading it, Well,
that's I think terms and conditions should be a whole
other episode. Man, there's a documentary about that. Yeah, that's

(43:07):
I think it's called terms and Conditions apply and it's maybe,
but boy it is creepy. Yeah, you know, I think
no way, and they make it that long so that
no one would but it's yeah, And there's actually we've
read this uh Guardian article. Did you check that out
that I sent you? So in the Guardian article there's
a mention of Samsung which had, uh, they had terms

(43:31):
and conditions for their TV. I think it was in
two fourteen or fifteen that it came out and it says,
in the terms and conditions for the TV that you
bring into your home, please be aware that if your
spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information
will be among the data captured and transmitted to a
third party through your use of voice recognition, which means

(43:55):
your TV is listening to you and transmitting your conversations.
Are at the very least keywords from your conversations in
your voice to somebody else who can figure out how
to target ads, who can put you on a government
watch list, who can do anything, Which means that you're
talking normally in your own home and your TV's eavesdropping
on you. Yeah, and you uh, you think you say

(44:15):
that's okay, not you, but one says that's fine. Because
I don't want to touch my remote. I just want
to say, turn up volume. You know, yeah, I can't
be bothered to use my finger. Fine, Nicolas Cage movies
come a bad one. He didn't make bad movies, dude, kidding.

(44:36):
I used to love Andy Sandberg's Nick Cage on SNL.
I don't think I ever saw that one. So funny.
I like Nick Cage's tiny elvis. Oh yeah, that was good.
He was so bizarre. He's I love Nicholas Cage because
he's unabashed. He will do some really great smaller movies
where you're like, man, this dude is an amazing actor,
and then he'll do the worst garbage you can imagine

(44:59):
for money, yes, and just it's like, yeah, I wanna
buy eight new motorcycles. But I think he's a great
example of what a good director can do with an
actor if they know what they're doing with them, because
he does virtually the same thing in all all movies.
It's just how much more he's doing it and how
much he's reined in, or how good the script is.
He comes in, he's like, you want Cage or Age.

(45:22):
I mean, you're right. He has made some great movies.
But man, he has made some bad ones. Wow. Oh wait,
hold on, yeah, let's get back on track. There's one
other thing too. There's a big debate going on right now, Chuck,
about whether your phone is eaves dropping on you for
at the very least targeted ads. Again, if you think
that your phone is not eaves dropping on you, you're

(45:46):
you're deluding yourself. Your phone, your TV, your laptop, everything
around you that is connected to the Internet and has
a microphone and or a video camera is eaves dropping
on you. And you don't care, right, I do care,
But I also have a feeling like what you have
a smart what can I do? I know you cannot

(46:07):
have a smart phone. That's part of it. And there's
there's a that's a big thing. There's a there's a
trade off. It's like, Okay, I want to be able
to read Twitter every thirty seconds and just be like
I was boring and then do it again thirty seconds later. Um,
And I'm willing to trade that ability for the idea
that yeah, I'm being listened to in the in the

(46:27):
gamble that well, I mean, I guess I'm not saying
anything that important, you know, But I mean, like that's
that's that's wrong, Like that's wrong. Well, or the people
say like, well, if you don't have nothing to hide,
then you know, that's that's a fallacy. That's a logical
fallacy that a lot of the people collecting that data
bank on it has it still has a chilling effect

(46:47):
on on society at large. And if they ever do
want something on you, brother, they got it. Man, I'm sorry,
I'm worked up. I was driving. I mean, I'm gonna
be cool. Then that light didn't change green. It all
went south. It's a dumb traffic light, all right. So

(47:08):
we talked a little bit about hackers. Um, and we're
not just talking about stealing your information or tapping into
your bank. Um. What about if you if you're if
your grandmother who is a shut in, has this great
new smart health system that is hooked up to her
body and alerts her doctor if something's wrong, she's low

(47:30):
on meds. Uh. These are all great things, but what
if someone can hack into that and tell you know,
and hacking the grandma systems where it doesn't alert, then
her life is literally at stake. Or what if you
have and this has happened too, what if you go
into your baby's room and your baby monitor you hear
some guy's voice on the end of their end, yelling

(47:50):
and screaming curse words in Russian. I think that's happened
to your baby? Is just like, what's this guy's problem? Yeah,
he usually tells me nice stories. Where's Sergey wants back?
It's all really creepy, man. You know one of my heroes,
Charles c Man, who I've never heard of it. He

(48:12):
also he wrote an article in Vanity Fair called look
Out He's Got a Phone, and it was all about
the ways that the Internet of Things could be hacked
to like basically really threatened somebody. Like if you've got
a smart pacemaker or smart insulin pump, those things could
be hacked, you know, and that's a that's a something
that we're gonna have to deal with, or we're dealing
with now as it as it stands. Well, one of

(48:34):
the things that could help and what should be going
on is these devices at the very least should be
giving you options on how much data they get their
hands on, how it's stored, uh, and what the expiration
date on that is, Like if you quit using this device,
they still have your information or might still be collecting

(48:56):
it too. Yeah, absolutely, or uh, when I didn't think
about when these systems are no longer supported, like you know,
the company shuts down or something, it needs to have
a suicide uh measure programmed in to where it like
it kills itself after it's not supported anymore, and it

(49:16):
should do it gruesomely. What about economics, Well, as you
can imagine, if there's hundreds of billions of devices on
the horizon being connected, it's going to have a pretty
big economic impact. And they're talking about something on the
order of what was it four point three trillion dollars

(49:37):
in value up from nine billion? It seems low to me. Yeah,
you know, like think about just in cash you milk
alone trillion dollars. Yeah. Well, it's also costing some companies. Um.
How so, well, if you've heard of square, yeah, you'd

(49:58):
probably pay for a lot of things with ware of
these days. It's a great thing because it allows a
small business. Previously there was only one way to make
credit card transactions. You had to get a fairly expensive
system that uh or a cash register that you know
made it all possible, and you had to They kind
of had you over a barrel a little bit. Then

(50:19):
Square came along and said, now you know what, you
don't need that stuff. Let's democratize this. Yeah, we have
the Internet. Now here's some competition. All you need this
little thing to plug in to your tablet and you
can swipe it right there in the cab or in
the place of business and avoid the middlemen and use
or use PayPal and basically skirt these companies that have
kind of been ripping you off, um, as a business,

(50:42):
and then that business passes the cost on to you
as a customer so in a way, or they're like,
we don't take that credit card there, fees are too
high or whatever. Yeah, exactly. Um, but you're right, it's
the democratization, which is good. I mean it's great. It's
opened up a lot of a lot. It's taken etsy
into the real world. That's right, you know. And isn't

(51:05):
that awesome? Well yeah, Um, there's also worry that it
could cost jobs. Like you said, what if the lipstick
um stocker gets fired? Um because he threw away all
those orange tubes of lipstick. Yeah, he deserves that. He
didn't do his job good enough. Um. Well that's it.
Like this, I think this article kind of just kind
of glosses over that issue, and it's a big issue

(51:26):
in and of itself. I don't know, but I don't
think it glossed over it so much as there's a
school of thought, a very like prominent school of thought
that says, no, that's not what happens. People get different
jobs and learn new things. And the one example they
used in here, which I think makes sense is, um,
a t M s A TMS popped up everywhere and

(51:47):
people like, oh, well, there's not gonna be any more
bank tellers. No one needs to go to a bank,
And well, yeah, but they actually increased in number, right, Yeah,
they did, uh. And they think part of that reason
is because banks could open more branches because they didn't
need to staff it with fourteen bankers, they just needed
a couple. Yeah, but more branches meant ultimately more tellers,

(52:09):
just not in one place. The thing is is, I
I would be very curious to know whether that was
an anomaly like that. You know, if if typically in
an industry that gets replaced by a machine, a good
one like an a t M works pretty well, Um,
if they if they actually if jobs actually go up,
or if that was just like one of the very

(52:30):
rare examples of it. Well, I think it's it depends
on your industry. If you're one of the people that
did that thing, you're like, well, I lost my job
to a robot. If you build the robots, you're like,
I got a job because I'm now building robots. Right.
And again, I think we talked about this, I don't
remember in what episode, but if you are getting rid

(52:51):
of an industry and and putting a lot of people
out of their their employment your careers. Um, I'm not
against automating stuff like that, but I think part and
parcel with that is to figure out a way to
take those out of work people and train them to
go into new fields or just to to um build

(53:14):
the stuff that that took over their jobs or whatever.
But you can't just be like, best of luck, we
figured out a way for a robot to do what
you're doing. Go uh, go get hooked on oxyconton and
go die. Wait, we gotta what was that because we
got a great listener mail about that. Yeah, that's that's
what I was talking about. A certain amount of people

(53:35):
from this industry. It was a Kentucky coal coal industry
like that were then cross trained to do computer work.
Wasn't even that long ago, but I can't remember exactly
what it was, but that's exactly what I mean. Like,
that's number one. That's a role of government. In my opinion,
it's one of the it's one of the clear things
that you can look at and be like, oh, yeah,
that's what government's for. They're supposed to invest in infrastructure

(53:55):
and education to to um keep people employed so that
everyone can earn a decent wage. That's that's my soapbox.
This has basically been one long soapbox, hasn't it. I
don't think so. Well, it's the Internet of Things. There's
literally nothing more to speak about it. Okay, no more. Uh,

(54:16):
I'm just kidding. And if you want to know more
about that kind of stuff, you should go check out
our compadre, John Strickland's podcast, tech Stuff. I guarantee talks
about the Internet of Things every other week, I would imagine. Um.
If you want to know more about it. In the meantime,
you can look up this article on how stuff works
dot com by typing Internet of Things on the search bar.

(54:36):
And since I said things, it's time for a listener
mail No, sir, Oh yeah, we already did listener mail.
Well that's right, but we have a bonus because now
we're gonna finish up with part two of Administered. Okay,

(54:58):
alright again, if you're new to the show, this is
when we thank people for the nice things they send us.
And it goes a little something like this. Uh. Peter,
the organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, they
send us a cat care package after our cat podcast,
and I think probably partially because of my soapbox on

(55:20):
declining and outdoor cats, They're like this guy, yeah, send
him some cats stuff. Give him some cat stuff stat.
So thanks for that. Put a cat in a box
and mail it to him. That's Peter's way. We got
a postcard from China from Mary Kate Mueller. Thanks a
lot for that, Mary Kate. We appreciate it. Beautiful. Lisa

(55:42):
of black Bow Sweets, send us some candied pecans. Dude,
those are dangerous. Oh yeah, they did not last long
in the Clarkhouse. No, almost didn't make it. On the
ride home, I had to be like, I, man, they're good. Uh.
Aaron Supper send us the bottle of Sonoma County Distilling

(56:02):
Companies west of Kentucky Bourbon number one. I haven't tried
it as a good I have not tried it yet either,
but I'm very much looking forward to it. So thanks
a lot eron. And speaking of whiskey, uh, thirty three Books,
Dave from thirty three Books sent us a whiskey tasting
set which is a little uh I think imported from Ireland.

(56:23):
Even a little whiskey tasting glass and book for note
and a pen even. Yeah, it's everything you need, everything
you need to taste whiskey. So thanks Dave for that. Um,
we got a postcard from Caitlin and her fiance from
the Mayo Clinic, remember the Helen Branch mentioned and I think,
like I think some Unsolved Mysteries. We heard the episode

(56:46):
on Unsolved Mysteries long ago. Yeah, but we got a
Mayo Clinic postcard. Yeah, why not? Robin and Arran sent
us some coasters, some Detroit coasters because they know, even
though we poked on a Detroit, we secretly love Detroit. Yeah,
thanks Robin and Aaron for that. Mark Singleton over at
Rudolph Food sent us a ton of pork crimes and

(57:09):
a bunch of great gear to go with it. So
we can wear camouflaged hat while we eat our pork
crimes right as it should be. Sam Meckling of Jeffson's
Millard of Chicago, Yeah, sent us bottles of Milord, And
if you've never heard of Milord, it is Chicago's own
special uh liqueur, it's something it is. It's um known

(57:35):
for its ah harsh aftertaste. Guess it's a good way
to put it. Yeah. The great thing about Mallord, though,
is they know the deal. They're not like, this is
so delicious, You're just never gonna have anything better here.
You seem to be having a good day. Let's change that. Um. Yeah,

(57:57):
but Mlord actually have gotten this is the best thing
you can say. I've gotten used to it, and um,
it's an interesting taste. You should try it out. Well.
Thanks to the dudes who sent us that, we appreciate.
Thank you, Sam Um. Speaking of Booze, I think we
mentioned it the other day, but also again, thank you
to the people at Spring forty four, which is a
Colorado distillery for the old tom Jin that they sent us. Yeah,

(58:19):
that was just beautiful yea and actually just ran out Yeah,
so just fire just thrown that out there. Badger body
body products. Um, a competitive of my own wife. Even.
That was Dave who sent us those Dave from Badger
Body Products for outam New Hampshire sentence shaving stuff and
sunscreen and beared oils and such. That was Dave Morrell.

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He was the beer guy. Yeah, he worked at Sweetwater. Yeah,
so he used to bring a sweetwater. He's a great
guy and like all beer guys, he ended up in
New Hampshire. Um. But Emily, actually my own wife, who
has her natural body product company, went and she usually
poop boo's because people say they're natural in art. She went, oh,
she's like Badger's good. Actually, yeah, she's like they make

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good stuff. So I used their beard oil. Now, well
thanks a lot, David. I've been using the um the
They have a bug repellent sun block that works, smells awesome,
smells like citron now that works like a charm. So
thank you for that. Pie Lady and Son, oh yeah,
out of New York. They sent us Pie Dude and
they were just getting started with their shipping program and

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Pie Lady and Son I have to tell you it
worked great. They showed up fresh and delicious, and by
delicious I mean really really delicious. Yeah, thanks a lot
for that guy. Yeah, so you can support them as well.
Pie Lady and Son out of New York City. UM
Zach debt More sent us some beautiful cherry, walnut and
maplewood boxes. Those are great. Yeah, you got mine on

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my desk. Matt Dent sent us his He's a he's
a comic strip guy who's created the Willie who comics
around for twenty five years. I know, I saw that book.
It's amazing. Yeah. He sent us a big collection collector's edition.
Congratulations Matt and Chuck. Some buddy, Uh made us a
longboard that I've got stuff. You should know, a longboard.

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It's amazing. I don't know. We lost the correspondence. Who
don't know who made it? Yes, so if you made it,
send that in and we'll reach your name. Yeah, well,
thank you, but thank you very much for the longboard.
Our buttery butter buddy, Tyler Murphy, he's there, butter, He's
our butter, our bread and butter. Uh from South Dakota
sinis Um Instant Empire shirts and records, which is really cool.

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And I just realized that Tyler's emails has been going
to my spam folder. I emailed them today because I
never look in there and I happened to for something else.
That's a bunch of emails from Tyler. I'm like, dude,
so sorry. Yeah. Um, Hillary lows Are and Mike Dude.
I don't know if Mike's a lows Are or not,
but Hillary Mike have been with us for years. They

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are also from the Dakotas and travel to see our
shows in Seattle and they're wonderful people. Hillary is a
teacher and they as always sent us to list just
delicious flathead like cheese. Dude, that is the best cheese
on the planet. I think, who you got better cheese
and flathead like? Send it in? Let us be the
judge Rachel Stone, who is artist from Australia's East Coast.

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She has a site called Land of Wonderful dot com.
She sent us a lovely handmade cards and letters. So
thanks a lot, Rachel. Uh. And then finally you got
any more? Nope? Last one. Emily and the crew at
Kickapoo Joy Drinks. Oh yeah, they have their Kickapoo Joy
Juice and their Atlanta base and they make all natural drinks, juice,

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juices and sodasn't things Kickapoo Juice and they sent us
a box and that was super nice. Thanks a lot, guys.
Thanks to everybody who sent us stuff. We appreciate it
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