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Speaker 1 (00:06):
My name is Lauren Sholl.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I pushed through pain for fifteen years before being diagnosed
with soiatic arthritis at the age of twenty eight. I
was young when I started having skin irritation, skin rashes.
That's when I went to a dermatologist, and the dermatologist
diagnosed me with what they called at that point dermatitis anity.
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So when I got to college, my skin did actually
get worse, but I did also start having issues where
I couldn't do the things that I like to do
as much anymore. So I started to feel like stiffness
in my legs. The bottoms of my feet would hurt
when i'd go run. I was dancing in college, and
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so there were times where I would just have to
take a break from practice because my body didn't feel good.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
For years, Lauren attributed her pain to the intense training
she endured as a professional dancer, but after having to
give up her career due to a difficult battle with MRSA,
Lauren's symptoms escalated.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Finally, it got to a point where I was doing
laundry and like my husband's like, you are limping to
the laundry machine, Like there is no way that you
are actually okay, and I thought I broke my toe,
and we went into the podiatrist.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I got X rays.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He's like, well, your toe's not broken, but you're not
even thirty years old, and we're seeing like advanced arthritis
patterns in your joints. He was the first person to
actually notice my patches on my skin. Then he said,
have you had this for a long time? That looks
like Parias's.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
As a former professional dancer deeply in tune with her body,
Lauren became increasingly fearful as she watched it slowly break down.
Despite being die diagnosed with psoriasis, her doctors hadn't been
able to piece together all of the clues until she
found doctor Aaron Arnold.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I went in there in tears, on crutches, unable to
live my life the way that I wanted to live
at that point was twenty six, twenty seven years old.
And she made me feel like we were not going
to stop trying until we could find an option that worked.
Being very very communicative of me, like really retracing what
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these past years have looked like, looking at my history,
looking at all of my symptoms, she said, sometimes it's
almost just as important or even more important to look
at the symptoms and to be able to really evaluate
the progression of how things have moved along, and she
diagnosed me with sorri etic arthritis.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Welcome to House Calls. I'm Lauren Bribe Pacheco. These special segments,
we'll check in with friends from former Symptomatic episodes for
updates on their health and lives since we last connected.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hi, Hi, Lauren, how are you.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm all right. How have you been.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I've been good. We've been very busy around here.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And you just got out of baseball season.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, my eight year old is playing with the ten
year olds and it's scary being the mom.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know what. I miss those days though, Enjoy them,
enjoy them. They go so fast. So before we even
dive in, I'm sure that most people have had a
chance to listen to your episode, but I wanted to
give them just a little recap. Basically, for those who
might have missed your episode, which is a great listen.
You endured fifteen years of pain before you were properly
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diagnosed with soriatic arthritis at the age of twenty, and
dance wasn't just a passion for you, it was actually
a profession. You were a professional dancer, but along the
way in your health journey, you had a ton of misdiagnoses,
including dermatitis and psoriasis, before finally finding a doctor who
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identified you with the correct condition. For people who just
want to hear it from you, walk me through what
you went through over that fifteen year period.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, I mean I went through a lot of question mentally.
It was really hard because I was feeling pain. I
had crazy patches all over my body that wouldn't go
away with any of the typical treatments. After going to
doctor beyond doctor beyond doctor, I started to feel like
a little bit crazy myself because you get questioned, there's
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no answers to points you in what the problem is,
or that the problem is even a real problem, and
you just start to feel like it's hopeless.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
This will never change, this will never go away.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, I had to change my career path because
of the damage and the pain that I was feeling.
It was a blessing in disguise, I will say that
because I was able to find a new career path
that literally still to this day fills me up incredibly well.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Your personal trainer and also a nutritionist. And I think
that that's wonderful because you've really been able through your
own struggles to understand the challenges of your clients. Your
case was so interesting to me because given the physical
discipline that you were used to. You know, we often
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don't listen to our body, but you were used to
pushing your body through discomfort already, and perhaps had you
not been trained for so many years as you know,
an elite athlete as a dancer, you may have been
more willing to listen to your body's earlier signs.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I think it's hard depending upon the person and
their personality. And I think, like you said, as you
have a mentality of an athlete that is determined to
push through it or work through it, or ignore pain,
or tell ourselves that we're tough so we can keep going,
it can work against us.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And I think there is a romanticizing of pain, particularly
in sports, where it is as pithy as it sounds,
no pain, no gain. Would you agree that's not necessarily
the best path now that you're training others.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yes, And I think too, like maybe I say this
because I am a woman, but I also think for
women to be able to say like I've been there.
I've fought through this and I fought through that, and
you almost feel like you are this superhero fighting all
of these battles. But I think that the truth strength
comes from being able to listen to your body. And
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I call it giving in to your body, giving your
body what it's asking for. And that might be rest,
that might be recovery, that might be exploring what's really
going on rather than ignoring it fighting past it. Just
like the basic things for me have been really important
in making sure that I'm giving my body what it
needs day to day to just keep myself feeling as
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best as I can and keep my good streaks going
as long as I can write them out.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know, it's wonderful because your basics aren't strict, rigid rules.
They are adjusting with your needs given the given day
and the reality of your workload and also juggling busy
life as a mom of two boys. Are they eight
and eleven?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Now they aren't eight and eleven, eight and a half.
He would be mad at you if you mortified.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
How dare I?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
How dare it's eight and a half, And you know I.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Would have to say, of course, we talked about the
last time we spoke about you, living by example because
your family has a very interesting health profile as well.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Both my kids I have juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and my
husband has ankylosing spondylitis. My husband and I did not
know that we were both autoimmune, you know people, until
well after our two kids were born, but it just
so happened that way. So being able to show up
for myself and show my kids what they are capable of,
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but also the importance of taking care of ourselves in
order for us to be able to do those things.
Has been constant talk in our household of reminders of
rest and recovery and bed times, which aren't always easy
when you've got an eight and a half year old
and an eleven year old who want to stay up
all night playing video games. But talking about what sleep
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does for our bodies and all of those things, and
them seeing mom get in bed early too, I think
is a huge help. And I hope they continue to
adapt so they can continue to do all the amazing
things that they do too.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So did they ever listen to your episode?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
They did.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I had some of their friends listen to my episode,
which was so cool.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's wild. What were some of the most interesting reactions
you got to it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Most of the reactions my kids were just like they
were just very proud of me.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That was like their biggest takeaway.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You know, I show up for them and we talk
about their school quizzes and their spelling tests and all
those things, but they don't necessarily always see the things
that I've battled in my personal life and where I'm
at today meant a ton to me. But also just
the fact that they see that journey and also where
I've come across the other side of it, and they
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always joke around with me and tell me that I'm
the strongest woman. We do family workouts together and they
see me lift weights all the time, and Mom's the
strongest woman in the world, right But like that strength
to them this time around didn't come in the form
of my muscles or the weights that I'm lifting. It
came from like the internal strength. And the fact that
they can see that strength comes in so many ways
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shapes and forms is really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That's so beautiful also because I'm sure that if their
friends did listen, they were probably bewildered. Because the truth is,
as is the case with so many people who are
navigating chronic illnesses, particularly one such as your own. You
don't necessarily physically manifest the symptoms on your exterior. Your
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personal trainer. You look like a personal trainer. You're in
wonderful shape in every single aspect of the way in
which you present, including your wonderful energy.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know, it's interesting too, Like you said, it's just
people don't see that side of me on the outside.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's hard to recognize.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But a big part of that is where I am
today with my condition and the thing that I have
over time figured out to help me be that fun
and active and engaging mom as well too, because that
is really important to me.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh and how did your husband, Matt react to the episode?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He loved it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He loved it actually listening to the bits and pieces
and hearing his perspective of how it's affected him and
all of that kind of stuff, and him feeling kind
of helpless at times where he's like, I do my
best I can to support and be hands on and
give whatever I can give, but also like hating to
see me in pain or fatigue, Like you know, it's hard,
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but also like a good reminder to both of us
how far we've come.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Absolutely so. We got an email actually just on Friday
from a listener who had questions for you. I'd love
to share them and you can answer them in real time.
Here we go amazing, it said, I'm mystified as to
how this case progressed. Did Lauren go back to the
dermatologist once a siasis diagnosis was confirmed? Soriatic arthritis should
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have immediately left to mind. To my way of thinking,
poor Lauren must have gone to the wrong doctors for help.
By the way, I am a former dancer now eighty
years old, and feels so much for Lauren. It is
a terrible blow to ponder living without dance if one
is young and immersed in it. So happy she has
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gotten at least part of her life back and I
wish her well. Thanks Pete from North Carolina PS. I
also have soriasis skin variety. Fortunately it's mild and doesn't
need treatment. My wife insists that sunlight helps, and I
think she's right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
She usually is, we always are.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So the question was if I went back to the
dermatologist after the confirmed sriasis diagnosis and whether they tried
to connect to souriatic arthritis. I did go back to
the dermatologist and no, they never linked my psoriasis to arthritis.
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There was never once the question asked. And this is
one part of my story that really upsets me. And
you know, I'm over and now right, but like it
made me angry back when I had been diagnosed. When
I was diagnosed with the psoriasis, nobody asked me if
there was any type of joint pain or any other
symptoms that accompanied that psoriasis.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm just so happy to see you doing so well.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm really really happy to It was a long journey
of me fighting all the emotions, the ups and the
downs of coming to a diagnosis and really realizing that
this is likely something that I will be dealing with
for the rest of my life. But now it is
almost a blessing because I have gotten to find myself
in a career path that I genuinely love and can
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help others that have experienced or are experiencing what I've
been through, and also being able to get to know
my body on another level that most people don't know
their bodies on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So I feel like a lot of good has come
out of it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I try to do my best to stay positive, but
it seems to continue to get better and better.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Oh that's wonderful because honestly, the most important responsibility we're
all individually tasked with is taking care of ourselves. Ultimately,
we all know our bodies better than anyone else possibly can.
It's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Is there something that you've learned along the way that
has really helped you cultivate and maintain positivity?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Dance it out?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And I know that the question that came through said
that it's hard and when you've been a dancer your
entire life to think of never dancing again.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And I will tell you that I dance all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It may not be in the professional way, and I
may not look professional doing it anymore, but I am
still always dancing.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Love it, Lauren, thank you so much for sharing the update.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
On next week's episode of Symptomatic, what starts as an
ordinary day for Trent Fielder spirals into a nightmare when
he suddenly can't move his legs, throwing him into a
devastating health crisis.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I was actually underneath a car trying to work an
estimate and was trying to get out and my legs
wouldn't hold my weight.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
By the next day, Trent was thrust into a relentless
battle for his health, facing the terrifying possibility he would
never walk again.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I ended up having two embolisms back to back, and
the second one actually killed me.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
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Until next time, be well,