February 21, 2023 • 44 mins
For someone who looks rather young, Kate Hudson has lived a lot of life. Then again, that’s what happens when you grow up with Hollywood parents—and grow up fast. On episode six of Table for Two, the Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery actress talks about wanting to escape her family’s shadow, starring in Almost Famous, knowing when to end a relationship, being friends with Gwyneth Paltrow, and whether she wants a big wedding or not. Hear a preview of the episode below, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, it is great to be back together today at
the table. Today. It's a super special day. Southern California
is just magnificent, sunny but cool, and I get to
sit with you and with Kate Hudson. Kate is one
of those lights in life where if you can imagine
(00:22):
a beautiful ray of sun coming through a window that
just sort of cascades through the curtain and just gently
hits the room. She is funny, she's an adventurer, she's
super talented. So I think we're all gonna have a
really great lunch today. And I'm super happy you all
pulled up a chair. The Vision has walked into the room.
(00:42):
Hi wow. Kate is one of those sort of rare beauties,
those so cow beauties that just feels like she can
stumble out of bed throwing a pair of jeans and
a white T shirt and just rule the world. I'm
gonna have a rose. Can I get some ice on
(01:03):
the side to I'll do another one. But of course,
Kate goes above and beyond the white T shirt and
jeans today with a gorgeous black and blue niche rests
and a pair of sky high boots. So this boot,
it goes straight up to Kate's vagina vagina. It's yeah,
you're the shrimp cocktail. I love it. Okay, I'm gonna
(01:25):
need to beat salad. Thank you, Michael. Thanks, So grab
your rose and pull up a chair. We're having lunch
with Hollywood Royalty to you. I'm Bruce Bozzy and this
is my podcast table for two. Hi, Kate, I'm so excited.
(01:49):
I'm very excited. Well, and we've never really actually sat
down together. No, I mean we see each other all
the time and for years, so we've never had one
on one time. There's something I read that you said,
which is what this is all about, and I'm gonna
read it's abbreviated, but you said, happiness to me is
good conversation and lots of laughter. Yeah, that's what we're
(02:10):
having today, right that. I usually have that with you
anytime I see it. But yeah, I mean connecting brings
me the most joy I think. And I'm not in
like an extroverted way, you know, I'm not like a
big As much as I can handle a party, and
when I'm ready for it, I'm good at it. I
like I like intimate connection. I like sitting with a
(02:32):
couple of my favorite people and getting into it. Yeah,
I mean that just brings me so much joy. And also,
I mean, now they've done so much research on this
that we know now that it actually literally does bring joy.
I've interviewed on my podcast this wonderful man of the Mergery.
He was the President Obama's surgeon general. He's not bidens,
(02:55):
and he wrote a book called Together, and it's all
about how he feels that the real epidemic is lonely.
So the community that we create and that can be
created between people, to me, is everything. I have a
bunch of things I want to talk to you about.
First of all, I saw your movie Knives Out on
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the Glass Onion, Glass Onion and Knives Out Mystery. So
on my question for you, how did you get the part?
Like what was the So I chased it? Yeah, okay, yeah,
And your husband was a big part of of, you know,
being a real cheerleader for pushing me and Ryan to
(03:38):
you know, really like take the opportunity to see what
I could do with the part um. But I read
it and chased it and got on a zoom with
Ryan and then got in a room and did a
work session. So can you explain and I'm going to
get all my notes that I've seen. Job here there
are who Ryan is. So people. Ryan Johnson is the
director of Glass Onion and he is um. He was
(04:02):
also the writer director of the first He's the writer director,
not just the director. But I've been a fan of
Ryan for Johnson forever, I mean so much so that
I actually actually screened one of his Breaking Bad episodes
that I loved so much. Yeah, so he did the Fly,
which is like a really famous every one of my
favorite breaking bad episodes, and then he did the Hank episode.
(04:22):
I wish people who have seen it know what I'm
talking about. And I screened the Hank episode at my
house with Hank with like, I mean, it was everyone
like filled screening. I had three televisions in different rooms. Yeah,
for Ryan and I didn't know right right, So then
I met his wife there and I met some other
(04:43):
great directors who were like doing the at that time,
like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. Vince the Gilly
Game was there and Ryan was the sweetest, kindest and
that's where I met him. So I feel like I
had a leg of and it's like she did screening
on for me. Maybe I should consider Kate Hudson for Bertie. No.
(05:06):
But seriously, as any actor knows, when you're working with
a great writer, director and you feel like that safety
for me loves to be uninhabited. It's like a trampoline
going into a phone pit, you know what I mean.
It's like, I mean, you really are uninhabited. You're the
moments in this film that you deliver epic. I mean,
(05:28):
Bertie is a character, she's bold. The hardest thing for
me with Bertie, other than grounding the character and somewhay,
was the pressure because those lines read as funny in
the script. So when those moments came, it was like
the cast all looking at me like, here we go.
(05:51):
Are you are you going to get it? Is this
gonna work? And Daniel, Daniel really loves you. When I
love and when we were working together, I mean, the
one reason why I love comedy so much is that
when you're enjoying it as an ensemble or when you're
enjoying it with the people that you're doing with, it
just is so much. I mean, it just talk about joy.
(06:13):
It's so much fun, you know. And then when you
make someone you really respect, who you know can keep
a straight face break like knowing that I could make
Daniel break. It was one of the great pleasures of
playing Bertie. Those moments were behind the camera I could
see him not being able to keep a straight face
(06:35):
with Were those great? Where those? So you obviously you
come from the family that you come from, which is stop, yes,
the stock, how Hollywood stock? You know Goldie Hall, who
I just a door and have been a huge fan
(06:55):
of so much so they're growing up. People would equate
me as Goldie sort of a fun oh my god.
It was like comment, you've talked about nepotism, and I
agree with the same thing, nepotism and get you in
the door, can't get your job back. When I started,
(07:15):
it was like I didn't want anybody to know because
I was concerned. I knew that once they found out
that they wouldn't want that as as like the thing
that everybody was talking really yeah, because it would be
distracting of a thousand percent. And I think you're right.
I think now, I mean, obviously you're not. You've had
(07:38):
this huge body of work. But now I think they
lean into it because they think of it as helping
the movie. So helping the thing, well, I think at
this point it's been two decades, so the work starts
to speak kind of for itself. But what's interesting is
my mom such a legend. I mean, she's such an
icon that, you know where there was a period in
(07:58):
my life or all I wanted to do is sort
of escape that shadow. As I've grown older, all I
want is to be close to my mom as long
as I possibly can. I don't have that feeling anymore.
People want to compare me to her. Great, you know,
such an honest But when I was younger, it was
really for me, like I was worried that I wouldn't
(08:19):
be taken seriously. I bet loved it. It was every
It's everything. I love being a performer. I met your mom.
This is so weird, this is so I am. This
is will show you that as much as I'd like
to be on a date with you, I'm a gay.
I went. I was friends for a period of my
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life with Jason Gould, and I went to the Premier
of Prinsive Ties, and sitting next to me was your
mama and the miss I don't know her first name,
missus meckis Mariella my god mamating next to me she passed.
It was one, so I was super excited your mother was,
and funnily enough, because you were in a gold dress.
(09:04):
She was in a gold dress, really and that's how
I sam so gay because I can't remember what was
At the end of the movie, they both looked at
me because we're in like Jason's rowing, They're They're like,
so like, who are you like? What do you like?
How are you here? And they were so loving and
so in person. Side Doe not important. Mary Ellen mcas
(09:25):
Mariland Trainer was my godmother, my chosen godmother. Did you
my mom's best friend? And she was a goonies she
was and you people need to see Goonies if you
haven't seen she was. Mariann was really special. So okay.
We also have this twenty years span which you just
referenced between Almost Famous and this movie, and I feel
(09:48):
like there's so much in between. I haven't stopped so
many dads, children, businesses. When did you know, like, oh,
I got this, I got the goods it has It's
not them, it's it's you. I don't know if I
made up like that. I think, like most actors that
I know, I suffer for a little bit of imposter syndrome.
(10:11):
But but then as I've gotten older, it's it's changed.
I'm more aware of like, wow, I really am a
worker be I think that's kind of I love the work,
and I also don't I've never done the work to
be like seen as anything. Like, I just do what
(10:32):
I do because I like it, I love it, and
I want to There's never been any calculation in my career.
So like when I look back at like the steps,
how lucky I've been, I feel really lucky. You know.
It's like I started so young, I came up almost famous,
like really changed my career projectory. Then I was, you know,
doing so many movies for so long. I'm still making
(10:55):
movies twenty years later. But somehow in between, I've had
three children. My entire I mean my entire adult life,
I've been a mother. I've built three businesses. Let's talk
about the businesses, just the Sabletics, which was actually a
real risk because at the time tends a decade now
that I've started Babletics. At the time, it was like,
(11:17):
why are you going to go into a model a
business model that is selling affordable leggings. It was sort
of considered like not shouldn't you be doing a Gucci ad?
And I was like, well, why is one exclusive to
the other. Why can't you just why can't I build
this business so I can speak to something I'm passionate about.
I literally my business brain was like this could be
(11:37):
really interesting, and I went for it. And not a
lot of people at that time we're doing that started that. Yeah.
I was like me, Gwyneth, you know, Gwyneth and then
and and me and Jess were really kind of the
only girls that we're really founding businesses. And I realized, like, Okay,
(11:58):
I have these children in my life that are my
priority and going and spending six months in Australia, but
I have dad's multiple fathers that I'm juggling that the
whole other story. But like, but you know, I, for me,
(12:20):
it's all about my unit and those are my babies,
and there, you know, I'm the Why would I be
leaving for six months when I got this whole and
I'm the centner of it from their dodge or touring
musicians and I want to honor their work and what
they need to do. And I was like, I have
this opportunity to do something that could keep me more
grounded in the kids more grounded. So and it made
(12:44):
movies a little harder, you know. And then you add
on top of that, like the fact that my career
projectory went into like that, I was the romcom girl,
which to me was never what I what I got
into the industry to do. I was just got an
industry to act in a good movies. And you know, um,
so then the movies that I would really want to
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do with the great filmmakers weren't really available to me.
And it just opened this whole world of opportunity to
be creative and do something completely different. Welcome back to
(13:38):
my conversation with Kate Hudson on Table for two. As
we dive into the stories and the shrimp cocktail, her
conversations keep coming back to the central elements of Kate's life,
her family and significantly older than you. So I remember
when your mom did Private Benjamin. I remember how important
it was, not because she started in the movie, but
also how she produced the movie than Katherine Hepburn and
(14:01):
it wasn't even the same. She was the first female
movie start to produce her own films in this town. Yes,
and that was not that long that was that. Yes,
I mean, what the hell exactly so, And I remember
going like wow, like, look at this, you saw that
you go up witnessing that when I sort of fantasized
about you. I see a person growing up in a
(14:24):
town that's not an easy town, in a family that
is very successful, who was also very connected to the family.
So that's clearly very in you, who's also clearly connected
to being truthful, business work like you have all that. Yeah,
And Kurt's interesting because Kurt's not really like it's so
funny that he's been in Hollywood so long, longer than
(14:48):
any of his contemporaries. I mean other than Ron Howard,
I mean and Ron Howard are really the only childhood actors.
Maybe there's a couple that I'm missing, but there's not
that many that had had that kind of career. Um.
I mean, Kurt's first gig was he was nine years
old in a movie where he kicked Elvis's ships, you know,
(15:10):
Like that's Kurt. So he's as Hollywood as Hollywood, like
the Hollywood story gets, and yet he's so far removed
from being a part of whatever the business or scene is,
and he's had this incredible career but Kurt only cares
about one thing and one thing only. It's his family.
(15:32):
And even you know, even in moments where you know,
as any family is where you have you know, challenges,
right or you know, you get into it with your
dad a little bit. Right, here's the most steadfast, loyal
present father. Any young girl who didn't have a father ever,
(15:53):
I was so lucky. Is amazing. It's like, so it's
not about the biology, it's about the connection being there
and staying in the room. As I say, I only
felt the biology as I got older, Like I started
to see the Hudson in me, right, yeah, yeah, because
I know my cousins, like you know, you you start
to like a mama. I mean, I definitely have Hudson.
(16:15):
But well I'm Italian, half Italian. I'm half Italian, which
is so people would never guess that I'm Sicilian and
I'm a I'm a songwriter or make music music. It's
all the Hudson. It's like all that side. Really. Oh yeah,
(16:36):
I think the reason why I never really connected to
music is something that I mean I did earlier on
in my career. I thought I would definitely do music,
but then I but then almost famous happened, but later
like I kind of rejected it because I was like,
you know what, as you do when you're dealing with
daddy issues, I don't want to connect to that part
because that's my dad. That's all dad. Like if someone
(16:58):
if I put that out in the world and people
didn't like it, it would destroy me because I don't
and that's just my familial you know. With with with
with my father was like, you know that one connection
I have to him, I failed miserably at would be
like devastating to me. I wasn't ready for that. Can
(17:20):
you get older and you're like, oh right, okay, I
have the hudgen. I was raised by this incredible father.
You know. I I love my real father too. You know,
I'm being able to heal that and and that's it.
It's all about to our family and that the end
of the day. It's always been about family. First. I
(17:43):
was speaking to your very handsome fiance, so good Danny.
I mean, I was like, you're at the premiere, you're
doing your thing, and I'm talking to him. So he
was talking about Christmas, So you guys have this epic
holiday thing, and he was like, I wonder who's going
to play Santa this year, you know what I mean,
(18:04):
you guys go for it. We go for him. The
Santa is the best. And I can say this because
it's an adult. You know, kids won't hear that. The
Santa thing is for the little kids. And there's always
one person that's a dress up at Santa and run
as fast as they can in our on our ranch
through the snow, which if it's a real snow year,
(18:27):
it's not easy. Like you're in altitude wearing a Santa
outfit and you gotta run your fucking ass off so
that the kids don't know it's you, right, And so whoever,
it's always like, whoever the kids outside like that, why
are my brother almost like like straight up fainting brother
(18:49):
was like Oliver should never do it because he's just
you know, already a little probably drunk at the time.
But like it's always, you know, it was always Kurt,
and then Kurt one year was like, I'm not doing
anything's retiring from this, you know, only for Netflix, and
(19:10):
it was like he was done, and so it become
it became everyone else. It's gonna be Danny's turn one
of these, Oh yeah, and he's going to fail miserably
with the running because he is not yeah he's been
like in a studio producing right now, and he's there's no,
there is no he has not been on a treadmill.
But usually it's it's wyat and it's so funny. Do
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the kids know half of them? Now? The hardest year
is that year when the kids might or might not
know that Santa Claus isn't real. That's the hardest because
you really have to fake them out. And if you
do a good job, you got like one or two
more years left. They go and they tell her. He
was like, no, you don't understand. I've seen Santa Claus.
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I love what you guys doing. Call too. I think
we grew up there her my mom got in this
big fight and he said, if it wasn't for you,
I'd be living. And ask him, which is where's you've
been going there since? And my mom just called just bluff,
really moved to ask him, and he was like, okay,
(20:20):
when we moved to ask him. It was the best
thing they ever did. Loved it. How many to high school?
I was like four or five to high school? What
were you? What were you like in high school? There's
probably a couple of people that you know who could
(20:41):
tell you, Um, I didn't like the party scene. I
was always ready to start my life. I was like
I was a person in high school that was like
I just don't want to do this high school thing.
I don't want to like there's no keg stand you're
gonna find me on. At the same time, I'm a
I'm a party girl, but without the like drugs and
(21:04):
like dumb throwing up alcohol moments. Like I was always
very much I wanted to be in control of my body.
So like if my friends wanted to shrom, I was
the designated driver, you know. I was always the one
like who controlled the party, always having super fun. I
always ready to have fun, but like I'm going to
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make sure everybody's going getting her safe. That was always
my I was always mom. I was always mommy, you know. Um.
And then like I didn't smoke weed, like I was
really straight. I went to dance class, I played, so
I was a very intense soccer player, really yeah, and
I and I was in conservatory, so I was I
was I think it's my nature for sure. For sure.
(21:47):
I came out like a rocket ship, like okay, now,
what right you came out. I mean you did come
out like a rocket Yeah. I was listening to Like
and he said, you know, you came out and you
brought to interpret it like you came out like your mom,
like a rocket ship in this big world he was
talking about almost famous, and you came out like a
rocket ship in life, in life. Yeah. I mean I
(22:10):
also really good at doing nothing, So I don't want
to like lie and say I'm also like I love
to work, but like people don't understand because like I've
got all the stuff going on and then I'm like, no,
I'm I'm out, I'm out, I'm getting weird. I'm at home.
I'm doing nothing. When you've done a lot, I do
think you kind of enjoy that and the kids and
it's nice to do nothing. Yeah, it's also good, Like
(22:33):
I guess that's that purpose thing, like I like to
be driven to do things. Maybe it's also being an aries.
I don't know, I know we talked about that. Yeah,
and Aries likes to we do. I mean we're not
great at following through right now, but but as we
get older, we're better at it. I think. So, Yeah,
you know I've gotten better as I've gotten older. Yeah,
(22:53):
but you I was not as clear as you were. Yeah,
I knew what I wanted to do. Yeah, I threw
up with a couple of parties. I was not like that.
People always thought I was, which I thought was really interesting,
you know, because of my personality. Everybody was like, oh,
she's the one that you know I could party with.
And I was always like, I'm happy to see everybody,
(23:14):
like do whatever they need to do. But I was
never like that. Did you have boyfriends in high school? Yeah,
I mean I couldn't have a boyfriend. I had a
couple of girlfriends, but it was different. But yeah, I
didn't even like I mean my boy my boyfriends. I
mean I did, but not like in high school like
my boyfriend's. Actually I liked older guys. Yeah, I was
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that girl. High school for me was I had some
amazing friends, but I just I was so raring and
ready to go. Like sometimes I talked to my parents
about this and they're like, I'm the one that they
had to like hold the rope, right, It's like, let
me go. Welcome back to the table for two. We're
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here with Kate Hudson, and I swear there's not enough
time in the day to cover her career, family, and
dreams for the future. We're going to try starting with
her breakout role as Penny Lane and almost famous. So
like in two thousand, when you get almost famous, you're
super young, but it actually kind of makes sense, like
that's when something like this thing happened, Like you were
(24:38):
actually kind of preparing yourself in a weird way to
be able to take on that responsibility. Yeah, I mean,
I yes, and I mean I got into n y U.
I really was. It was a hard decision for me
because I wanted to be in New York and I
remember saying that my parents, like, just give me a year.
I want to be able to see if I can
(24:58):
just do way and act and audition. And I just
the second it started, I just didn't stop working. I mean,
nineteen years old. I look at my son now. And
at that time, I remember I was doing a film
called about Adam in Ireland alone. I was like just
(25:19):
nineteen and and I was alone in Ireland. I had
been in Toronto before that. From the time I graduated
high school, I was traveling all over the world making
these movies. I didn't even think about it until that
about Adam movie and I was flying back and fork
I was auditioning. I had auditioned like four times for
Cameron for Penny Lane, and I remember flying back from
(25:42):
l A. I had seen my parents for like five seconds,
and I was flying back and it was it was
like the fourth time I'd flown and I hadn't seen
my family at all. It was the only time in
my life I felt so just like out of out
of body and called my mom crying, going like I
don't even know what that where I am. And She's like, no, no, no, no, no,
(26:02):
how do you just get on that plane and squint
your eyes and I want you to look at everything
like your little baby and you're seeing it for the
first time. I guess that's also the great thing about
having a mom who's been through it. So you bought
the house you grew up in, which I think is
(26:23):
a really I love when life becomes the circle of
life and you know you bought home next to it,
and like you brought the family together. At the time,
I was pregnant with writer and I was looking for
a house. I was actually looking to live in Malibu
because I like Malibu and everything. I was looking at
(26:44):
was like had an easement on it where like someone
could be on my property or like, you know, like
everything was wrong. My mom called me and said, well,
I don't know if you'd want to do this, but
I think that old house is going up for sale.
It's not on the market yet. And I was like,
oh my God, like runnedall walk when in there. Wanted
to see it because I haven't seen it for so long.
(27:05):
And my house is like the sweetest, really pretentious about
my house, Like it's just like it's an old thirties house.
It was built by James Wales, who he is Gods
and Monsters. Did you see that movie? That's who That's
the house he built it. He was the director of Frankenstein,
creator Franken and whose old thirties house. You can feel
(27:26):
it that house when he built it. You love to host.
And the reason why he lives so far away because
at the time the palate where I live in the
Palisades was so far removed from Hollywood. But he wasn't
openly again and he lived with his partner, so he
lived outside of the center of everything so we could
feel more free. And he hosted I mean Betty Davis
(27:50):
Ronald Reagan, like the parties that he had in this house.
You know, this house has held real Hollywood history. And
then there was two other owners or three other owners
into my mom when my mom had never redid it.
One other owner, I bought it back. This house was
like I was. I was brought home to this house
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until I was twelve years old. When I walked in there,
I saw I felt my grandma, I felt my granddaddy,
I felt my uncle Charlie. All the people that are gone,
they were just like surrounding me in this house. And
I was like, I have to have I got it.
It was just I couldn't afford it. I didn't care.
I was like, I'll go broke whatever, right, I'll go broke,
(28:34):
and then I'll figure it out again, choosing family and
life and like, what a gift. And I thought I
thought I'd only be in it for a couple of years,
but it'll it'll never leave it. Yeah, I don't think
it sounds like it's like a little Do you have
any of the imagery and the photographs from when he
(28:54):
had it and the people that were in that Okay,
that was a great I do not think I've never
looked for that, Kate. This is a big thing that
the history because you know it exists. There are photographs.
There is still in the dining room a wire that
was a bell a football that goes into the kitchen. Wow,
(29:18):
does it work? No, it's just the wire. The bell
is gone, but it's still you can see the wire
underneath the floor parts. Really interesting that is there's a
lot of stuff that's documented about that house and a
lot of stuff that went down in that house. And
just remember he drowned and he drowned, but his he
(29:39):
owned a lot of property, so the property that my
house is on, it was bigger than that. He actually
died in the house below me in the pool because
the pool that I had wasn't there. Well. Interesting, So
I wanted to know about Kate and high school because
I feel like if I knew you in I was
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also like the girl that got sent home because I'd
be wearing c through dress like my girlfriend Sarah Foster
and my and Jen right we went to high school together,
and they love to remind me of how I'd be
sent home all the time, very nicely, like I would
just show I wouldn't be thinking about it like a
white ship like dope, like vintage kind of see through
(30:25):
flower dress and were like a little pant, like a
like a boy short panty right right, And then they
say and like maybe I wouldn't wear bra I never
wear bras, but like whatever, you know, I would put
on like a little thing. At the time, it didn't matter.
You know, no one cared about nipples as much as they.
I guess they're not carry about nip thanks than like
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you talk about Jen. You talked about like you're all
really good friends and the Foster sisters and it's great
the family at this point, Sarah and I have known
each other since we were young teenagers and then even
if we're not like hanging out all the time, like,
she's always my family and her mother was with my partner,
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Danny's father, so Rebecca Rebecca, Sarah's mom and Danny's father
were together for twelve years. So they're basically step their
step brothers. So I'm I am engaged to my best
friends step the so okay, which I have two questions,
asked you one to so as you got as you
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all sort of grew up into like career people, was
it ever conflicting in regard to like, oh, Jena or
anybody like, you know, work was it always just like
the great good for you? You got that movie, A
great for me? I got this. Oh yeah, yeah, there's
no stuff like no, I mean not that I'm aware of. No.
I've always felt so unbelievably supported by my girlfriends. I
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feel really lucky that way. You know. It's like we
was such a great, solid group of girlfriends. But my
girlfriend group is like Sarah and Jen. We I mean
Jen is my oldest friend. I mean Jen's dad, ron Meyer,
was my mom's agent before I was born. So Ronnie was, um,
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you know, holding me as a baby, and Jen was there,
and I mean so we we really grew up. I mean,
we really grew up together. How's your posse? Like you
keep a posse. That's the thing that Kate Hudson does
that I see one more together. It's why that I
feel there's a connection, like we just are like, yeah,
there's yeah, And I think to like, you know, I
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think that happens when you don't engage in gossip, Like
if you don't engage in the gossip or the drama
of anything, like I've never had any interest in being
a part like you know, dramas that happened. I think
in any industry there's always people who love to cause
the drama. I am. I I so don't engage in
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that ship. And I think that's why I've been able
to keep so many friends too. You know, it's like
I just don't don't I know, the second starts, I'm
out to me. You're such a free spirit and an adventurer.
You know that. You know you have three kids, right,
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you know you have a very unique family situation. It's
like you good, It's like it's like, okay, you you're
living your life by your term. Yeah, I am. And
I've been able to do that because I have the means.
I think that, Like what's really interesting is that's very
much of a male thing that you hear more about.
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There's a couple of things, like, you know, it's also
my impulse. I'm impulsive. That's the areas. Yeah, I jumped
right in. I love love. But as you get older,
you kind of get to that place where you're like,
you know that you learn, you learn. But but it
was like as hard as the decisions were in my life,
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and the and the and the depth in which I
felt like I had failed relationships and family with my
partners throughout those years, whether it be Chris or Matt,
I knew it was the right thing to not be
in those relationships. I knew that we'd all be happier.
And it's a choice. You either stay in them wondering
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what your life would have been like if you would
have left them, or I choose to leave. And you know,
whatever makeup in my life allows me that moment to
be like, oh no, I'm actually going to choose to
not be, to not feel constricted in this or unhappy.
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I had the courage to do. It's not It's really
not an easy thing. In the moment, in reflection, I'm
so grateful at the family that I have and the
relationships that I have, Like I'm so close with my
with Matt, my ex being's dad, Like I love him
so much and a completely like I'm exactly where we
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were supposed to be. You know, I think he feels
the same way about me. And and for whatever whatever
however I was raised, whenever environment, whatever dysfunction, however anyone
wants to look at it, it's created a very harmonious
family life for me. It's interesting. Yeah, I mean it's
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totally unconventional, it doesn't make any sense. It goes against
every religious grain in the book. And yet I'm happy,
and I and and my kids are happy, and um
and there's there's there's. It feels liberated. I don't feel
I don't feel the failure well in your truth, I
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feel and in yours. And you said it's not easy
in the moment, and none of that's ever easy in
the moment you have the realization, oh, you know, what
I think are forever is done and it's now going
to be something else. So it takes a lot of
balls to get through that door. It really does. It's
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really not easy. And then when you do it, but
what you do it with Kate Hudson, which is how
I think you also live your life, is with your
arms open wide say okay, and it might be bumpy,
and it might not be, but it's going to be
embraced compassion right. And I think that is like what
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I call compassionate detachments. Yeah, it's like it's like I'm
going to compassionately detach from whatever this scenario is, meaning
that no matter what is causing the headbutting or this
inability to move forward, I'm going to stay compassionate towards
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the partner, and that is a lesson. I think You're
like as people are here and they pulled up a chair,
and that bleeds into so many aspects of our lives.
When one is unhappy to say, Okay, how do I
extricate myself because you've also discussed and I feel like
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it ends. Yeah, journey does end. We're not here forever. Yeah,
it's I think that's the cause of most suffering is
at the at the core of it. It's just all
this great intense fear of mortality, you know, and and
and and so you hold all these expectations is the
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how it's supposed to be or what your life supposed
to be because God forbid you fucking die and it
wasn't what you expected. And that's why they say that
the great you know, some say that like suffering, great
suffering really really comes from you know, your expectations. You
you you you know, this expectation that I'm supposed to
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be with someone forever. If I held on so deeply
to that, i'd be I'd be quite depressed, clearly, I
mean really depressed right now, you know, instead of realizing
that that expectation is just not going to be my
life story. It's just not and by I'm more okay
with it now than ever, which you know, actually is
making for a much better relationship in my life. This
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idea that you can only really, you know, get the
relationship you want by risking losing it. You know, it's
like you have to be okay, you can't. So we
go into the next great decades ahead? What's the next?
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Like where did you think like that? Or are you
I only think that that way now? Like what's next now?
And for me it's my music. You're finishing my record, right,
So I did that. Yes, I wanted to talk about that.
You haven't a amazing boy. I'm really excited because I
just realized that I just have to do it and
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I'm no expectation about what it needs to be. It's
just like it needed to come out and needed all
of it needed to come out. And when we started,
I wrote with Linda Perry and Danny. When we started,
we wrote twenty six songs. Wow, not two months were
just like wrote it was just like it was like
all of this just was so prolific. We just kept writing.
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It was all the same vibe and we were just
like in it, and you know, I've been writing songs
in my whole life. Linda didn't want any of those.
She was like, after we had written all of the songs,
then she we went back looked and she asked me
to play her some songs that had written and we
picked a couple of them, expanded on them, and and
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then it's been about a year and a half and
from where we were when we started to where we
are now, like we're almost there. We're like seventy I
would say seventy there. I mean pretty soon we're gonna
be like there. And it's just been the great and
not yet no, but but I I still have to
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pick the twelve songs. Attended twelve songs, but this is
really excited. I was like a memoir for me. Those
to me was like writing a book. You know, it's
like my version and it's so personal. I've never done
anything like this, but that's fully, you know, just me
putting it out there. I was so terrified of doing that,
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and now I was like during COVID, I was like
if I don't, if I don't do that, it will
be the only regret. So I'm gonna just do it.
I'm so excited because the music has turned out really
wonderful and yeah, I can't wait for people to hear it.
Before letting k go, I have to ask her about
her fiance and the gorgeous ring that I've been eyeing
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on her for our entire lunch. So Kate, you talk
about you know we mentioned your fiance. What's the plan
with our life? For our marriage? You're with your marriage?
Am I going to get married? Right? Like? Are you
getting married? I see a beautiful ring on your finger?
Major as he really is. He's good. I'm a guy
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that loves jewelry. As you could tell, I really wanted
a flat stone and he really delivered. So what's the plane?
Where where should I worshiped? Brian and I plan on? Well,
right now, planning a wedding feels insane, okay, but I'm
excited to plan a wedding. And I go back and
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forth between like a small wedding and a large wedding.
And my first wedding the first time married Danning, I
it was so small. So there's a part of me
that wants like the big bash. You know, there's like
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two sides. It's like you know, two sides to me,
the big bash or the small intimate. I think somewhere
in there I'm going to come up with the other
thing I really want to make sure is that I
honor Danny's heritage and my daughter's heritage. So like we
do sometimes go back and forth the traditional Japanese wedding ceremony,
which would be really beautiful and quite emotional for Danny
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scenes that his dad has gone. You have a destination.
It'll totally be. It will be like, let's go, this
is a part. It will be. It will be such
an adventure that people will have to really want to come.
Those are always, to me, the most fun wedding, Like like,
if you really want to be there, you'll be there.
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If someone's like I can't really be there, then you're
like I don't want you there? Right Wow, Well so
that's all I got right now, That's good. That's all
I got for the wedding. You are truly um, you
are a full blown artist. You are an incredible humanitarian.
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You are an incredible friend. Kate Hudson. Having lunch with
you today is really meaningful to me and nice. Your movie, Um,
if you're listening, get your ass to Netflix and watching
your performance is really beyond anything, and I hope to
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see you so much more in the rest of our lives.
I don't know journey to you and I love you
so much. Kidding yes, thank you for joining me today
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you listen to your favorite shows,
Well, it is great to be back together today at
the table. Today. It's a super special day. Southern California
is just magnificent, sunny but cool, and I get to
sit with you and with Kate Hudson. Kate is one
of those lights in life where if you can imagine
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a beautiful ray of sun coming through a window that
just sort of cascades through the curtain and just gently
hits the room. She is funny, she's an adventurer, she's
super talented. So I think we're all gonna have a
really great lunch today. And I'm super happy you all
pulled up a chair. The Vision has walked into the room.
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Hi wow. Kate is one of those sort of rare beauties,
those so cow beauties that just feels like she can
stumble out of bed throwing a pair of jeans and
a white T shirt and just rule the world. I'm
gonna have a rose. Can I get some ice on
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the side to I'll do another one. But of course,
Kate goes above and beyond the white T shirt and
jeans today with a gorgeous black and blue niche rests
and a pair of sky high boots. So this boot,
it goes straight up to Kate's vagina vagina. It's yeah,
you're the shrimp cocktail. I love it. Okay, I'm gonna
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need to beat salad. Thank you, Michael. Thanks, So grab
your rose and pull up a chair. We're having lunch
with Hollywood Royalty to you. I'm Bruce Bozzy and this
is my podcast table for two. Hi, Kate, I'm so excited.
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I'm very excited. Well, and we've never really actually sat
down together. No, I mean we see each other all
the time and for years, so we've never had one
on one time. There's something I read that you said,
which is what this is all about, and I'm gonna
read it's abbreviated, but you said, happiness to me is
good conversation and lots of laughter. Yeah, that's what we're
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having today, right that. I usually have that with you
anytime I see it. But yeah, I mean connecting brings
me the most joy I think. And I'm not in
like an extroverted way, you know, I'm not like a
big As much as I can handle a party, and
when I'm ready for it, I'm good at it. I
like I like intimate connection. I like sitting with a
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couple of my favorite people and getting into it. Yeah,
I mean that just brings me so much joy. And also,
I mean, now they've done so much research on this
that we know now that it actually literally does bring joy.
I've interviewed on my podcast this wonderful man of the Mergery.
He was the President Obama's surgeon general. He's not bidens,
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and he wrote a book called Together, and it's all
about how he feels that the real epidemic is lonely.
So the community that we create and that can be
created between people, to me, is everything. I have a
bunch of things I want to talk to you about.
First of all, I saw your movie Knives Out on
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the Glass Onion, Glass Onion and Knives Out Mystery. So
on my question for you, how did you get the part?
Like what was the So I chased it? Yeah, okay, yeah,
And your husband was a big part of of, you know,
being a real cheerleader for pushing me and Ryan to
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you know, really like take the opportunity to see what
I could do with the part um. But I read
it and chased it and got on a zoom with
Ryan and then got in a room and did a
work session. So can you explain and I'm going to
get all my notes that I've seen. Job here there
are who Ryan is. So people. Ryan Johnson is the
director of Glass Onion and he is um. He was
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also the writer director of the first He's the writer director,
not just the director. But I've been a fan of
Ryan for Johnson forever, I mean so much so that
I actually actually screened one of his Breaking Bad episodes
that I loved so much. Yeah, so he did the Fly,
which is like a really famous every one of my
favorite breaking bad episodes, and then he did the Hank episode.
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I wish people who have seen it know what I'm
talking about. And I screened the Hank episode at my
house with Hank with like, I mean, it was everyone
like filled screening. I had three televisions in different rooms. Yeah,
for Ryan and I didn't know right right, So then
I met his wife there and I met some other
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great directors who were like doing the at that time,
like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. Vince the Gilly
Game was there and Ryan was the sweetest, kindest and
that's where I met him. So I feel like I
had a leg of and it's like she did screening
on for me. Maybe I should consider Kate Hudson for Bertie. No.
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But seriously, as any actor knows, when you're working with
a great writer, director and you feel like that safety
for me loves to be uninhabited. It's like a trampoline
going into a phone pit, you know what I mean.
It's like, I mean, you really are uninhabited. You're the
moments in this film that you deliver epic. I mean,
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Bertie is a character, she's bold. The hardest thing for
me with Bertie, other than grounding the character and somewhay,
was the pressure because those lines read as funny in
the script. So when those moments came, it was like
the cast all looking at me like, here we go.
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Are you are you going to get it? Is this
gonna work? And Daniel, Daniel really loves you. When I
love and when we were working together, I mean, the
one reason why I love comedy so much is that
when you're enjoying it as an ensemble or when you're
enjoying it with the people that you're doing with, it
just is so much. I mean, it just talk about joy.
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It's so much fun, you know. And then when you
make someone you really respect, who you know can keep
a straight face break like knowing that I could make
Daniel break. It was one of the great pleasures of
playing Bertie. Those moments were behind the camera I could
see him not being able to keep a straight face
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with Were those great? Where those? So you obviously you
come from the family that you come from, which is stop, yes,
the stock, how Hollywood stock? You know Goldie Hall, who
I just a door and have been a huge fan
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of so much so they're growing up. People would equate
me as Goldie sort of a fun oh my god.
It was like comment, you've talked about nepotism, and I
agree with the same thing, nepotism and get you in
the door, can't get your job back. When I started,
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it was like I didn't want anybody to know because
I was concerned. I knew that once they found out
that they wouldn't want that as as like the thing
that everybody was talking really yeah, because it would be
distracting of a thousand percent. And I think you're right.
I think now, I mean, obviously you're not. You've had
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this huge body of work. But now I think they
lean into it because they think of it as helping
the movie. So helping the thing, well, I think at
this point it's been two decades, so the work starts
to speak kind of for itself. But what's interesting is
my mom such a legend. I mean, she's such an
icon that, you know where there was a period in
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my life or all I wanted to do is sort
of escape that shadow. As I've grown older, all I
want is to be close to my mom as long
as I possibly can. I don't have that feeling anymore.
People want to compare me to her. Great, you know,
such an honest But when I was younger, it was
really for me, like I was worried that I wouldn't
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be taken seriously. I bet loved it. It was every
It's everything. I love being a performer. I met your mom.
This is so weird, this is so I am. This
is will show you that as much as I'd like
to be on a date with you, I'm a gay.
I went. I was friends for a period of my
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life with Jason Gould, and I went to the Premier
of Prinsive Ties, and sitting next to me was your
mama and the miss I don't know her first name,
missus meckis Mariella my god mamating next to me she passed.
It was one, so I was super excited your mother was,
and funnily enough, because you were in a gold dress.
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She was in a gold dress, really and that's how
I sam so gay because I can't remember what was
At the end of the movie, they both looked at
me because we're in like Jason's rowing, They're They're like,
so like, who are you like? What do you like?
How are you here? And they were so loving and
so in person. Side Doe not important. Mary Ellen mcas
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Mariland Trainer was my godmother, my chosen godmother. Did you
my mom's best friend? And she was a goonies she
was and you people need to see Goonies if you
haven't seen she was. Mariann was really special. So okay.
We also have this twenty years span which you just
referenced between Almost Famous and this movie, and I feel
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like there's so much in between. I haven't stopped so
many dads, children, businesses. When did you know, like, oh,
I got this, I got the goods it has It's
not them, it's it's you. I don't know if I
made up like that. I think, like most actors that
I know, I suffer for a little bit of imposter syndrome.
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But but then as I've gotten older, it's it's changed.
I'm more aware of like, wow, I really am a
worker be I think that's kind of I love the work,
and I also don't I've never done the work to
be like seen as anything. Like, I just do what
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I do because I like it, I love it, and
I want to There's never been any calculation in my career.
So like when I look back at like the steps,
how lucky I've been, I feel really lucky. You know.
It's like I started so young, I came up almost famous,
like really changed my career projectory. Then I was, you know,
doing so many movies for so long. I'm still making
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movies twenty years later. But somehow in between, I've had
three children. My entire I mean my entire adult life,
I've been a mother. I've built three businesses. Let's talk
about the businesses, just the Sabletics, which was actually a
real risk because at the time tends a decade now
that I've started Babletics. At the time, it was like,
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why are you going to go into a model a
business model that is selling affordable leggings. It was sort
of considered like not shouldn't you be doing a Gucci ad?
And I was like, well, why is one exclusive to
the other. Why can't you just why can't I build
this business so I can speak to something I'm passionate about.
I literally my business brain was like this could be
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really interesting, and I went for it. And not a
lot of people at that time we're doing that started that. Yeah.
I was like me, Gwyneth, you know, Gwyneth and then
and and me and Jess were really kind of the
only girls that we're really founding businesses. And I realized, like, Okay,
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I have these children in my life that are my
priority and going and spending six months in Australia, but
I have dad's multiple fathers that I'm juggling that the
whole other story. But like, but you know, I, for me,
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it's all about my unit and those are my babies,
and there, you know, I'm the Why would I be
leaving for six months when I got this whole and
I'm the centner of it from their dodge or touring
musicians and I want to honor their work and what
they need to do. And I was like, I have
this opportunity to do something that could keep me more
grounded in the kids more grounded. So and it made
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movies a little harder, you know. And then you add
on top of that, like the fact that my career
projectory went into like that, I was the romcom girl,
which to me was never what I what I got
into the industry to do. I was just got an
industry to act in a good movies. And you know, um,
so then the movies that I would really want to
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do with the great filmmakers weren't really available to me.
And it just opened this whole world of opportunity to
be creative and do something completely different. Welcome back to
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my conversation with Kate Hudson on Table for two. As
we dive into the stories and the shrimp cocktail, her
conversations keep coming back to the central elements of Kate's life,
her family and significantly older than you. So I remember
when your mom did Private Benjamin. I remember how important
it was, not because she started in the movie, but
also how she produced the movie than Katherine Hepburn and
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it wasn't even the same. She was the first female
movie start to produce her own films in this town. Yes,
and that was not that long that was that. Yes,
I mean, what the hell exactly so, And I remember
going like wow, like, look at this, you saw that
you go up witnessing that when I sort of fantasized
about you. I see a person growing up in a
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town that's not an easy town, in a family that
is very successful, who was also very connected to the family.
So that's clearly very in you, who's also clearly connected
to being truthful, business work like you have all that. Yeah,
And Kurt's interesting because Kurt's not really like it's so
funny that he's been in Hollywood so long, longer than
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any of his contemporaries. I mean other than Ron Howard,
I mean and Ron Howard are really the only childhood actors.
Maybe there's a couple that I'm missing, but there's not
that many that had had that kind of career. Um.
I mean, Kurt's first gig was he was nine years
old in a movie where he kicked Elvis's ships, you know,
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Like that's Kurt. So he's as Hollywood as Hollywood, like
the Hollywood story gets, and yet he's so far removed
from being a part of whatever the business or scene is,
and he's had this incredible career but Kurt only cares
about one thing and one thing only. It's his family.
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And even you know, even in moments where you know,
as any family is where you have you know, challenges,
right or you know, you get into it with your
dad a little bit. Right, here's the most steadfast, loyal
present father. Any young girl who didn't have a father ever,
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I was so lucky. Is amazing. It's like, so it's
not about the biology, it's about the connection being there
and staying in the room. As I say, I only
felt the biology as I got older, Like I started
to see the Hudson in me, right, yeah, yeah, because
I know my cousins, like you know, you you start
to like a mama. I mean, I definitely have Hudson.
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But well I'm Italian, half Italian. I'm half Italian, which
is so people would never guess that I'm Sicilian and
I'm a I'm a songwriter or make music music. It's
all the Hudson. It's like all that side. Really. Oh yeah,
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I think the reason why I never really connected to
music is something that I mean I did earlier on
in my career. I thought I would definitely do music,
but then I but then almost famous happened, but later
like I kind of rejected it because I was like,
you know what, as you do when you're dealing with
daddy issues, I don't want to connect to that part
because that's my dad. That's all dad. Like if someone
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if I put that out in the world and people
didn't like it, it would destroy me because I don't
and that's just my familial you know. With with with
with my father was like, you know that one connection
I have to him, I failed miserably at would be
like devastating to me. I wasn't ready for that. Can
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you get older and you're like, oh right, okay, I
have the hudgen. I was raised by this incredible father.
You know. I I love my real father too. You know,
I'm being able to heal that and and that's it.
It's all about to our family and that the end
of the day. It's always been about family. First. I
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was speaking to your very handsome fiance, so good Danny.
I mean, I was like, you're at the premiere, you're
doing your thing, and I'm talking to him. So he
was talking about Christmas, So you guys have this epic
holiday thing, and he was like, I wonder who's going
to play Santa this year, you know what I mean,
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you guys go for it. We go for him. The
Santa is the best. And I can say this because
it's an adult. You know, kids won't hear that. The
Santa thing is for the little kids. And there's always
one person that's a dress up at Santa and run
as fast as they can in our on our ranch
through the snow, which if it's a real snow year,
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it's not easy. Like you're in altitude wearing a Santa
outfit and you gotta run your fucking ass off so
that the kids don't know it's you, right, And so whoever,
it's always like, whoever the kids outside like that, why
are my brother almost like like straight up fainting brother
(18:49):
was like Oliver should never do it because he's just
you know, already a little probably drunk at the time.
But like it's always, you know, it was always Kurt,
and then Kurt one year was like, I'm not doing
anything's retiring from this, you know, only for Netflix, and
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it was like he was done, and so it become
it became everyone else. It's gonna be Danny's turn one
of these, Oh yeah, and he's going to fail miserably
with the running because he is not yeah he's been
like in a studio producing right now, and he's there's no,
there is no he has not been on a treadmill.
But usually it's it's wyat and it's so funny. Do
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the kids know half of them? Now? The hardest year
is that year when the kids might or might not
know that Santa Claus isn't real. That's the hardest because
you really have to fake them out. And if you
do a good job, you got like one or two
more years left. They go and they tell her. He
was like, no, you don't understand. I've seen Santa Claus.
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I love what you guys doing. Call too. I think
we grew up there her my mom got in this
big fight and he said, if it wasn't for you,
I'd be living. And ask him, which is where's you've
been going there since? And my mom just called just bluff,
really moved to ask him, and he was like, okay,
(20:20):
when we moved to ask him. It was the best
thing they ever did. Loved it. How many to high school?
I was like four or five to high school? What
were you? What were you like in high school? There's
probably a couple of people that you know who could
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tell you, Um, I didn't like the party scene. I
was always ready to start my life. I was like
I was a person in high school that was like
I just don't want to do this high school thing.
I don't want to like there's no keg stand you're
gonna find me on. At the same time, I'm a
I'm a party girl, but without the like drugs and
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like dumb throwing up alcohol moments. Like I was always
very much I wanted to be in control of my body.
So like if my friends wanted to shrom, I was
the designated driver, you know. I was always the one
like who controlled the party, always having super fun. I
always ready to have fun, but like I'm going to
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make sure everybody's going getting her safe. That was always
my I was always mom. I was always mommy, you know. Um.
And then like I didn't smoke weed, like I was
really straight. I went to dance class, I played, so
I was a very intense soccer player, really yeah, and
I and I was in conservatory, so I was I
was I think it's my nature for sure. For sure.
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I came out like a rocket ship, like okay, now,
what right you came out. I mean you did come
out like a rocket Yeah. I was listening to Like
and he said, you know, you came out and you
brought to interpret it like you came out like your mom,
like a rocket ship in this big world he was
talking about almost famous, and you came out like a
rocket ship in life, in life. Yeah. I mean I
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also really good at doing nothing, So I don't want
to like lie and say I'm also like I love
to work, but like people don't understand because like I've
got all the stuff going on and then I'm like, no,
I'm I'm out, I'm out, I'm getting weird. I'm at home.
I'm doing nothing. When you've done a lot, I do
think you kind of enjoy that and the kids and
it's nice to do nothing. Yeah, it's also good, Like
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I guess that's that purpose thing, like I like to
be driven to do things. Maybe it's also being an aries.
I don't know, I know we talked about that. Yeah,
and Aries likes to we do. I mean we're not
great at following through right now, but but as we
get older, we're better at it. I think. So, Yeah,
you know I've gotten better as I've gotten older. Yeah,
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but you I was not as clear as you were. Yeah,
I knew what I wanted to do. Yeah, I threw
up with a couple of parties. I was not like that.
People always thought I was, which I thought was really interesting,
you know, because of my personality. Everybody was like, oh,
she's the one that you know I could party with.
And I was always like, I'm happy to see everybody,
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like do whatever they need to do. But I was
never like that. Did you have boyfriends in high school? Yeah,
I mean I couldn't have a boyfriend. I had a
couple of girlfriends, but it was different. But yeah, I
didn't even like I mean my boy my boyfriends. I
mean I did, but not like in high school like
my boyfriend's. Actually I liked older guys. Yeah, I was
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that girl. High school for me was I had some
amazing friends, but I just I was so raring and
ready to go. Like sometimes I talked to my parents
about this and they're like, I'm the one that they
had to like hold the rope, right, It's like, let
me go. Welcome back to the table for two. We're
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here with Kate Hudson, and I swear there's not enough
time in the day to cover her career, family, and
dreams for the future. We're going to try starting with
her breakout role as Penny Lane and almost famous. So
like in two thousand, when you get almost famous, you're
super young, but it actually kind of makes sense, like
that's when something like this thing happened, Like you were
(24:38):
actually kind of preparing yourself in a weird way to
be able to take on that responsibility. Yeah, I mean,
I yes, and I mean I got into n y U.
I really was. It was a hard decision for me
because I wanted to be in New York and I
remember saying that my parents, like, just give me a year.
I want to be able to see if I can
(24:58):
just do way and act and audition. And I just
the second it started, I just didn't stop working. I mean,
nineteen years old. I look at my son now. And
at that time, I remember I was doing a film
called about Adam in Ireland alone. I was like just
(25:19):
nineteen and and I was alone in Ireland. I had
been in Toronto before that. From the time I graduated
high school, I was traveling all over the world making
these movies. I didn't even think about it until that
about Adam movie and I was flying back and fork
I was auditioning. I had auditioned like four times for
Cameron for Penny Lane, and I remember flying back from
(25:42):
l A. I had seen my parents for like five seconds,
and I was flying back and it was it was
like the fourth time I'd flown and I hadn't seen
my family at all. It was the only time in
my life I felt so just like out of out
of body and called my mom crying, going like I
don't even know what that where I am. And She's like, no, no, no, no, no,
(26:02):
how do you just get on that plane and squint
your eyes and I want you to look at everything
like your little baby and you're seeing it for the
first time. I guess that's also the great thing about
having a mom who's been through it. So you bought
the house you grew up in, which I think is
(26:23):
a really I love when life becomes the circle of
life and you know you bought home next to it,
and like you brought the family together. At the time,
I was pregnant with writer and I was looking for
a house. I was actually looking to live in Malibu
because I like Malibu and everything. I was looking at
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was like had an easement on it where like someone
could be on my property or like, you know, like
everything was wrong. My mom called me and said, well,
I don't know if you'd want to do this, but
I think that old house is going up for sale.
It's not on the market yet. And I was like,
oh my God, like runnedall walk when in there. Wanted
to see it because I haven't seen it for so long.
(27:05):
And my house is like the sweetest, really pretentious about
my house, Like it's just like it's an old thirties house.
It was built by James Wales, who he is Gods
and Monsters. Did you see that movie? That's who That's
the house he built it. He was the director of Frankenstein,
creator Franken and whose old thirties house. You can feel
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it that house when he built it. You love to host.
And the reason why he lives so far away because
at the time the palate where I live in the
Palisades was so far removed from Hollywood. But he wasn't
openly again and he lived with his partner, so he
lived outside of the center of everything so we could
feel more free. And he hosted I mean Betty Davis
(27:50):
Ronald Reagan, like the parties that he had in this house.
You know, this house has held real Hollywood history. And
then there was two other owners or three other owners
into my mom when my mom had never redid it.
One other owner, I bought it back. This house was
like I was. I was brought home to this house
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until I was twelve years old. When I walked in there,
I saw I felt my grandma, I felt my granddaddy,
I felt my uncle Charlie. All the people that are gone,
they were just like surrounding me in this house. And
I was like, I have to have I got it.
It was just I couldn't afford it. I didn't care.
I was like, I'll go broke whatever, right, I'll go broke,
(28:34):
and then I'll figure it out again, choosing family and
life and like, what a gift. And I thought I
thought I'd only be in it for a couple of years,
but it'll it'll never leave it. Yeah, I don't think
it sounds like it's like a little Do you have
any of the imagery and the photographs from when he
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had it and the people that were in that Okay,
that was a great I do not think I've never
looked for that, Kate. This is a big thing that
the history because you know it exists. There are photographs.
There is still in the dining room a wire that
was a bell a football that goes into the kitchen. Wow,
(29:18):
does it work? No, it's just the wire. The bell
is gone, but it's still you can see the wire
underneath the floor parts. Really interesting that is there's a
lot of stuff that's documented about that house and a
lot of stuff that went down in that house. And
just remember he drowned and he drowned, but his he
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owned a lot of property, so the property that my
house is on, it was bigger than that. He actually
died in the house below me in the pool because
the pool that I had wasn't there. Well. Interesting, So
I wanted to know about Kate and high school because
I feel like if I knew you in I was
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also like the girl that got sent home because I'd
be wearing c through dress like my girlfriend Sarah Foster
and my and Jen right we went to high school together,
and they love to remind me of how I'd be
sent home all the time, very nicely, like I would
just show I wouldn't be thinking about it like a
white ship like dope, like vintage kind of see through
(30:25):
flower dress and were like a little pant, like a
like a boy short panty right right, And then they
say and like maybe I wouldn't wear bra I never
wear bras, but like whatever, you know, I would put
on like a little thing. At the time, it didn't matter.
You know, no one cared about nipples as much as they.
I guess they're not carry about nip thanks than like
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you talk about Jen. You talked about like you're all
really good friends and the Foster sisters and it's great
the family at this point, Sarah and I have known
each other since we were young teenagers and then even
if we're not like hanging out all the time, like,
she's always my family and her mother was with my partner,
(31:12):
Danny's father, so Rebecca Rebecca, Sarah's mom and Danny's father
were together for twelve years. So they're basically step their
step brothers. So I'm I am engaged to my best
friends step the so okay, which I have two questions,
asked you one to so as you got as you
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all sort of grew up into like career people, was
it ever conflicting in regard to like, oh, Jena or
anybody like, you know, work was it always just like
the great good for you? You got that movie, A
great for me? I got this. Oh yeah, yeah, there's
no stuff like no, I mean not that I'm aware of. No.
I've always felt so unbelievably supported by my girlfriends. I
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feel really lucky that way. You know. It's like we
was such a great, solid group of girlfriends. But my
girlfriend group is like Sarah and Jen. We I mean
Jen is my oldest friend. I mean Jen's dad, ron Meyer,
was my mom's agent before I was born. So Ronnie was, um,
(32:17):
you know, holding me as a baby, and Jen was there,
and I mean so we we really grew up. I mean,
we really grew up together. How's your posse? Like you
keep a posse. That's the thing that Kate Hudson does
that I see one more together. It's why that I
feel there's a connection, like we just are like, yeah,
there's yeah, And I think to like, you know, I
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think that happens when you don't engage in gossip, Like
if you don't engage in the gossip or the drama
of anything, like I've never had any interest in being
a part like you know, dramas that happened. I think
in any industry there's always people who love to cause
the drama. I am. I I so don't engage in
(33:03):
that ship. And I think that's why I've been able
to keep so many friends too. You know, it's like
I just don't don't I know, the second starts, I'm
out to me. You're such a free spirit and an adventurer.
You know that. You know you have three kids, right,
(33:25):
you know you have a very unique family situation. It's
like you good, It's like it's like, okay, you you're
living your life by your term. Yeah, I am. And
I've been able to do that because I have the means.
I think that, Like what's really interesting is that's very
much of a male thing that you hear more about.
(33:45):
There's a couple of things, like, you know, it's also
my impulse. I'm impulsive. That's the areas. Yeah, I jumped
right in. I love love. But as you get older,
you kind of get to that place where you're like,
you know that you learn, you learn. But but it
was like as hard as the decisions were in my life,
(34:06):
and the and the and the depth in which I
felt like I had failed relationships and family with my
partners throughout those years, whether it be Chris or Matt,
I knew it was the right thing to not be
in those relationships. I knew that we'd all be happier.
And it's a choice. You either stay in them wondering
(34:26):
what your life would have been like if you would
have left them, or I choose to leave. And you know,
whatever makeup in my life allows me that moment to
be like, oh no, I'm actually going to choose to
not be, to not feel constricted in this or unhappy.
(34:50):
I had the courage to do. It's not It's really
not an easy thing. In the moment, in reflection, I'm
so grateful at the family that I have and the
relationships that I have, Like I'm so close with my
with Matt, my ex being's dad, Like I love him
so much and a completely like I'm exactly where we
(35:12):
were supposed to be. You know, I think he feels
the same way about me. And and for whatever whatever
however I was raised, whenever environment, whatever dysfunction, however anyone
wants to look at it, it's created a very harmonious
family life for me. It's interesting. Yeah, I mean it's
(35:32):
totally unconventional, it doesn't make any sense. It goes against
every religious grain in the book. And yet I'm happy,
and I and and my kids are happy, and um
and there's there's there's. It feels liberated. I don't feel
I don't feel the failure well in your truth, I
(35:55):
feel and in yours. And you said it's not easy
in the moment, and none of that's ever easy in
the moment you have the realization, oh, you know, what
I think are forever is done and it's now going
to be something else. So it takes a lot of
balls to get through that door. It really does. It's
(36:16):
really not easy. And then when you do it, but
what you do it with Kate Hudson, which is how
I think you also live your life, is with your
arms open wide say okay, and it might be bumpy,
and it might not be, but it's going to be
embraced compassion right. And I think that is like what
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I call compassionate detachments. Yeah, it's like it's like I'm
going to compassionately detach from whatever this scenario is, meaning
that no matter what is causing the headbutting or this
inability to move forward, I'm going to stay compassionate towards
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the partner, and that is a lesson. I think You're
like as people are here and they pulled up a chair,
and that bleeds into so many aspects of our lives.
When one is unhappy to say, Okay, how do I
extricate myself because you've also discussed and I feel like
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it ends. Yeah, journey does end. We're not here forever. Yeah,
it's I think that's the cause of most suffering is
at the at the core of it. It's just all
this great intense fear of mortality, you know, and and
and and so you hold all these expectations is the
(37:44):
how it's supposed to be or what your life supposed
to be because God forbid you fucking die and it
wasn't what you expected. And that's why they say that
the great you know, some say that like suffering, great
suffering really really comes from you know, your expectations. You
you you you know, this expectation that I'm supposed to
(38:07):
be with someone forever. If I held on so deeply
to that, i'd be I'd be quite depressed, clearly, I
mean really depressed right now, you know, instead of realizing
that that expectation is just not going to be my
life story. It's just not and by I'm more okay
with it now than ever, which you know, actually is
making for a much better relationship in my life. This
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idea that you can only really, you know, get the
relationship you want by risking losing it. You know, it's
like you have to be okay, you can't. So we
go into the next great decades ahead? What's the next?
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Like where did you think like that? Or are you
I only think that that way now? Like what's next now?
And for me it's my music. You're finishing my record, right,
So I did that. Yes, I wanted to talk about that.
You haven't a amazing boy. I'm really excited because I
just realized that I just have to do it and
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I'm no expectation about what it needs to be. It's
just like it needed to come out and needed all
of it needed to come out. And when we started,
I wrote with Linda Perry and Danny. When we started,
we wrote twenty six songs. Wow, not two months were
just like wrote it was just like it was like
all of this just was so prolific. We just kept writing.
(39:37):
It was all the same vibe and we were just
like in it, and you know, I've been writing songs
in my whole life. Linda didn't want any of those.
She was like, after we had written all of the songs,
then she we went back looked and she asked me
to play her some songs that had written and we
picked a couple of them, expanded on them, and and
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then it's been about a year and a half and
from where we were when we started to where we
are now, like we're almost there. We're like seventy I
would say seventy there. I mean pretty soon we're gonna
be like there. And it's just been the great and
not yet no, but but I I still have to
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pick the twelve songs. Attended twelve songs, but this is
really excited. I was like a memoir for me. Those
to me was like writing a book. You know, it's
like my version and it's so personal. I've never done
anything like this, but that's fully, you know, just me
putting it out there. I was so terrified of doing that,
(40:42):
and now I was like during COVID, I was like
if I don't, if I don't do that, it will
be the only regret. So I'm gonna just do it.
I'm so excited because the music has turned out really
wonderful and yeah, I can't wait for people to hear it.
Before letting k go, I have to ask her about
her fiance and the gorgeous ring that I've been eyeing
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on her for our entire lunch. So Kate, you talk
about you know we mentioned your fiance. What's the plan
with our life? For our marriage? You're with your marriage?
Am I going to get married? Right? Like? Are you
getting married? I see a beautiful ring on your finger?
Major as he really is. He's good. I'm a guy
(41:26):
that loves jewelry. As you could tell, I really wanted
a flat stone and he really delivered. So what's the plane?
Where where should I worshiped? Brian and I plan on? Well,
right now, planning a wedding feels insane, okay, but I'm
excited to plan a wedding. And I go back and
(41:47):
forth between like a small wedding and a large wedding.
And my first wedding the first time married Danning, I
it was so small. So there's a part of me
that wants like the big bash. You know, there's like
(42:09):
two sides. It's like you know, two sides to me,
the big bash or the small intimate. I think somewhere
in there I'm going to come up with the other
thing I really want to make sure is that I
honor Danny's heritage and my daughter's heritage. So like we
do sometimes go back and forth the traditional Japanese wedding ceremony,
which would be really beautiful and quite emotional for Danny
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scenes that his dad has gone. You have a destination.
It'll totally be. It will be like, let's go, this
is a part. It will be. It will be such
an adventure that people will have to really want to come.
Those are always, to me, the most fun wedding, Like like,
if you really want to be there, you'll be there.
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If someone's like I can't really be there, then you're
like I don't want you there? Right Wow, Well so
that's all I got right now, That's good. That's all
I got for the wedding. You are truly um, you
are a full blown artist. You are an incredible humanitarian.
(43:16):
You are an incredible friend. Kate Hudson. Having lunch with
you today is really meaningful to me and nice. Your movie, Um,
if you're listening, get your ass to Netflix and watching
your performance is really beyond anything, and I hope to
(43:37):
see you so much more in the rest of our lives.
I don't know journey to you and I love you
so much. Kidding yes, thank you for joining me today
on Table for two. Table for two with Bruce Bozzy
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