BobbyCast #66 with Karen Fairchild of Little Big Town

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's Bobby Bones and it's a little special here
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Karen Fairchild of a Little Big Town. This is episode
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you like, and here we go. All right, welcome to
all Away at Mike, episode sixty six of the Bobby
Cast and with Karen Fairchild from a Little bit Town. Hi, Karen,
we tried to do this before I know that was

(00:43):
my phone. We got bumped for some little show the
Voice or something. Is that what it's called. So because
that was a finale, right, and who did you sing
with Lauren Day at c M A fest? Pull on
my day, Get comfortable grabbing? Yeah, the mess of your
fancy mind. I think that might might have cast forty dollars. Really,

(01:04):
it sounds good. It looks fancy gold, but it's not
real gold. It's all smoking mirrors up here. So when
you go to a show like The Voice, they only
called they call you a week at a time, Lesson
lessen that, and I think it was less than that.
It was like maybe three or four days. And they were,
you know, trying to figure out what song and what
she would sing on the finale. And I guess we
were on her list. Well, we had of people that

(01:29):
she really wanted to collaborate with. Wow, so they get
to actually make like a fancy wish list. And I
think so. And so they and she had done better
man on the show in the battle round, and and
so they had called Jason and said, is there anyway
He's like, well, they're off and the Cat and the
Bobby cast and and so I was like, I think

(01:50):
Bobby would probably understand if you let him know that
it's the Voice. He I mean, he he'll probably be
okay if we were scheduled. So thank you. That's pretty
cool though, right Like, and she didn't win, but you know,
it's funny country people do so well on that show
because they won. Here's why this is my theory, because
I think everything is everything is money to me. Everything.

(02:11):
You think Blake couldn't win this year, I think that
Blake can't win every year, so they had to find
years to not let them win. But country artists still
spend money on music. Not artists, buyers consumers either heart seats.
We started the format whe people buy the most, like
still physical and we download the most, more so than stream,

(02:33):
so they can sell music to country consumers, so if
they can find them. My thing is every year they
find one or two really good country people and they
boost them up and so and listen. I think I
didn't watch the show, but I watched enough of it
to know, and I thought she should have wanted by
what I watched. But they can't let Blake win every year.

(02:54):
I know. I know Blake is man when he like
engages his audience and says, don't y'all. I mean the
country fans are gonna show us tonight what they think.
I'm like, God, here he goes again. He's gonna win again,
and they do. I know, like everybody, it's all I
have such a weird like love hate relationship with with
this town. Somebody get really irritated with the fans and

(03:17):
the listeners. It's like, I've never seen anything like it before.
Loyalty I don't deserve. They're very passionate, Like don't you
see when you go out, like they wait weeks months,
Like they take their money that they work. They come
to a show. Yeah, they pick like a couple of
shows they can do a year, and they can go

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to a year, and they wait and they wait and
they wait and they buy their tickets and they sit
up front and it's it's amazing. That's why we're still here.
I mean, it's funny whenever you say you're still here,
because I think to the average listener of country music,
it would feel like, you know, you guys in the

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last five years have just become superstars, Like here's a
little bit down. Well I don't, I don't know, I
don't feel I mean, I don't feel superstars. Now you
guys are now here, you are and it's time. And
I don't say this everybody, it's time for you guys
to be in the echelon of entertainer of the year.
And it's weird to put a group in there. But

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if Florida George Line could be there, I think you
could be in there. And they're they're not one person,
and I think once that kind of seal was broken,
you can put a group in there. Well, Alabama used
to be in there, and I think Zach Brown should
be in there. What a weird thing. And this is
a weird thing for me to whenever it's you guys
against Zack Brown band, it's such a weird pull because
I think that they're the greatest bandage. I just heard

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Chicken Fried on Big ninety a few minutes ago and
I was like, God, the record is still it just
it's so I just I don't know, it still sounds
so good. And he is what entertainer of the year,
that's the definition with such good people got that band.
They're so good And I've been able to see him

(05:05):
ten times. And let's have a good job. I get
to go do cool things and be up closing to
theaters that shows with Zach Brown, man, they're so good.
I've said this before. I think that we it's hard
to see greatness when it's at arm's length. Usually you
get to see it from a long way away. Luckily,
we saw Tiger Woods whenever he was in his prime.
Michael Jordan I was a little too young for Michael
Jordan to really respect that. But with Zach Brown Band,

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I was like, now, I'm like, this is, to my am,
my opinion, the greatest country band of all time. Now
Alabama has way more hits. But I feel like, as
a you know, the point is it's tough when you
two are against each other. Well yeah, and and like
lady A, we're super close to them. I mean everybody
in that category they're friends of our so yeah. But
on the coolness factor, it's you two, it's you guys

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and Zach Brown Band. That's whatever. But that's how everybody
fights about, like who should win, not who do people
like more? Somebody likes you guys more like it's people
because that's never here. And Zack's quiet kind of aloof.
I like Zack because I've been lucky enough to spend
time with him. If you just meant Zach, he'd be like,
what a weirdo. We used to tour with him. He
opened up for us on the right when Chicken Fried
was hitting Um. He had we had booked like fifteen

(06:10):
dates with them opening for us if you can believe that,
and yeah, yeah, they were amazing. And and zach Um,
you know, I love him and I respect him so
much because he could have left our little tour and
he kept that commitment and it wasn't a lot of money,
and they were exploding and starting to be on the

(06:32):
Grammy stage and there they were out there keeping their
commitment to us. And I just respect him and the
guys so much for that. Whenever people start talking about
presidians in the industry, and I guess my point was
just in the time that I've been in Nashville four
plus years, it's like watching you guys go boom. I
remember watching Crook and Chase and whenever the Tornado record

(06:53):
came out, and you guys doing the Cook and Chase
TV show, And because I would watch all the time,
and I remember you guys being on there with them.
When that record was coming out, I was like, huh, okay,
this group is all about it's kind of like a
boy band, but not really like I didn't know. I
really didn't know. And I was because I grew up

(07:14):
in the nineties, the Arkansas nineties area. But then I
checked out for a bit. It was like this sounds
not I am not really into it. It kind of
got into an alternative and some hip hop stuff. Um
came back around obviously, which is what put me here.
But I was like, let me, let me find out
about the little big town group. And then that time
you guys have become superstars. But I guess my point
is how many label deals did you guys have? Have
you had? Oh, let's see four? Four record deals as

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a group. As a group, does that mean you've been
dropped three times? We have been dropped Mercury Sony. They
don't care if I mean, they don't care if we
name it because um, but it's a big long And
then we were at an indie label. That's where the
road to here with Boondocks and Bringing on Home. That

(07:58):
record is the record that sold a million three and
that was the little indie label called UM. Equity's forgot
I almost forgot what the labels called equity, So they're
not in business anymore. You get dropped from two and
what happened? Equity? Did they go away? They went away?
They went away as in like they did you guys

(08:19):
go on like a promotion Equity because your record did well?
No they were it was like, you know, indie labels,
it's always like dissolved. And then you were free agents
again and then yes, wow three times yeah. And so
then that's when we felt like, wow, now people really
want us, you know, because we had sold a million

(08:41):
three on that record, and and all of a sudden,
the people that had dropped us or rejected us, you know,
during that time period, we're calling and it was really fun.
It's really fun. I love that. I mean, it was
really fun to be popular for especially with the people
that rejected you. Like I had girls sometimes girls reach
on Facebook rejecting me, which is about every girl by

(09:02):
the way, every girl, they've all rejected me, and they're
all like, hey, how are you. I'm like, we've been
pretty good. Yeah, yeah, you're good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good.
It would and I have a lot to talk about.
But a little white church to me, did you feel
like whenever Beyonce did Single Ladies did she kind of sot?
But I do think like that's ours is like the

(09:24):
hillbilly version of that. But when that was before that, Um,
I can't remember, Mike, you may want to google that,
but I would always I would hear single ladies, and
I'll be like, M, that sounds like like maybe Beyonce
maybe heard something about church. No, I highly doubt that.
But um, I do think it's like the redneck version
of that. She have twins just now they haven't put

(09:47):
out the same you know what, I guess I don't
think your dad said something. Yeah he did, but I
bet he's in trouble, probably on purpose. I believe everything's calculated,
even even even matthy All I believe was calculating. Ye.
Probably he was a manager. Though. Do you do you
look at like pop culture stuff and watch like people, Yeah,
I mean I do. I didn't happen to catch um

(10:11):
the worst dress thing on either of the night, but
Philip told me that I made it for what Awards
and I usually watch E and UM. For some reason,
I must have missed it. But they didn't like my boots,
and I planned my whole outfit around my boots. So
for you to be a worst dress because you have
your own clothing line, yeah, you just need to be

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on a list. It doesn't matter if it's worst. Well,
that's what I say. It's like if you if you're
on a red carpet, you're gonna be on the Worst
list eventually, and but I was I didn't know it.
And Philip was like, hey, I hope you didn't take
that to heart, and I was like, take what to heart?
Said that? And he goes, oh, did you not see e?

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And I was like, crap, no what? But anyhow, I
don't know. I think cat Seller doesn't like me or
something if I mean, maybe should just look for people
to talk about. Here's the thing about good and bad.
It matters if you're on either one of them. If
you're on the most powerful or the biggest douchebag lesson.
I've been on both sometimes at the same time. That's

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when you know you're doing something right. If you're on
the worst and the best. You just want to be
on the list because that does matter. How many years
was it that you didn't matter forever? Right forever? Who
would have thought you'd be upset or at least irritated
that you didn't make these best You're on the Worst
dress list? Yeah, I think, yeah, you know. I mean
sometimes I just wear stuff because I just want to

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and I know and know that I'm going out there
a little far and I don't care. So it didn't
really shock me, but I was like, dad, gum it,
I do think that the boots were good. I don't
remember the boots. Well, you've got a hot chick girlfriend,
so uh yeah, for now we'll see. Oh my god,
I don't know how long you can put up with this.
I know the drama. Well no, just me, No, not

(12:00):
even drama. Are you hard to live with? She doesn't
live with me? Well, you know what I mean hard
to date. I'm hard to be a human around. I
have no human skills, like very little what you do
right now? Because there's a microphone from my face, I'm
in the most amazing human ever, like at me, I'm
so personable. Give me out of this microphone room. I

(12:21):
had none to say. I don't believe that. No, I
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Bobby Cast. Okay, so let's see how about this here?
This is if this rings a bell, Oh my gosh,
how about that is that's a gospel band I was in, like,

(13:47):
oh my gosh, a long time, I've got different sound
and me. Yeah, and that's my friend Rick Couldleman. That's
about to sing. I will say that band um fear
singers in the band. That's the truth. Yeah, I know,

(14:10):
because I know you. But did you know what outside
of knowing me? No, Yeah, dude, I don't think they're
around anymore after you. After you left, they stayed being
a group. There they were. They're a band. They're like
a like a a church on some like think tower
a power with horns and and they travel around and

(14:33):
I mean I went to like all over the world
with him, so great learning experience when you grew up.
Would you sing in church like as I want to
get up and just saying you raise your hand, go
up and saying no, I had a horrible stage right
really like I would stay up all night long. My
dad would. My dad was a businessman, and he would
he would lead um like praise and worship on Sunday,

(14:54):
do the hymns on Sunday morning because he loved music,
and so he would make us get up there and
sing with him. And I would literally stay up all
night long. But i'd secret leave. I really wanted to
do it, but I was just so afraid. My sister
and I she sing does no, what's she a good singer? Yeah?

(15:14):
And my dad has a beautiful voice. Mom didn't sing
and my brother didn't sing. But so we grew up
singing in the church. And but we we grew up
the choices where gospel music or country music, and that's
what we listened to until like, my sister started driving
us to school and then we started listening to like
then it was The Loop in Chicago, so she was

(15:35):
older sister. Yeah, and we would listen to like James
Taylor and you know, other stuff like the Fleetwood Mac
and whatever whatever was on the radio. And and so
that's how that's kind of my musical roots. So I
ended up being in this gospel band for a while.
So how do they come to to being a gospel band?
It doesn't pay m like, does it? The gospel band

(15:59):
pay not really? I mean they pay enough to like
it's a ministry, so you know they're doing good out there,
so they're not paying very much. No, but my preacher
would get paid. But I wasn't banking a living. If
you were to stay in truth and sing the whole time.
Did you have a nice house? No? No, I mean no,

(16:22):
Michael Debbi Smith has a nice house. Yeah, but that's different. Yeah,
that's because they own what they're doing. You know, if
you're if you're a hired gun to be in this band,
you're not gonna make a lot of money. But I found,
for mostly for me, like the reason why I wanted
to get out of gospel music, it was just because

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I wanted to just be who I am all the
time and not feel like I'm duplistic in my living,
like like marrying commerce and art and ministry. I think
that's it feels very weird, and I always felt very
conflicted about it, you know, like what you just experienced

(17:08):
this weekend of going and going to Haiti and think
about if you're charging and you know, it just gets
to be like, I don't know, it just felt it
felt weird to me. There's I'm not I'm not knocking it.
I'm just saying for me in light of my faith
and I I just felt like I needed to move on,

(17:29):
not moving on in my faith, but moving on and
the business and career. I have trouble with that in
a in a way, and so my manager, Corn Capture,
I was talking to him and I said, hey, I
have trouble sometimes because I like to do things for people,
but also have a career and I want to have
a great career and I want to be able to

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have and work hard and earn my money. And I
was like, I told him, I said, I'm struggling with
this sometimes because maybe I should do more of this
good stuff and take away some of this career. And
he said to me, the bigger you get, the more
you can do. Yeah. If you love your career and
you love helping, then the bigger you get, the more

(18:13):
successful you are, the bigger your pipeline is to helping
everything you want by you talking about it, about you
doing it, about you giving money, by you. And I
was like, okay, yeah, I mean think about it, like
with Pimp and Joy, if you didn't have this huge platform,
you wouldn't be affecting so many people. It's because of
the platform that you get. I struggle with it though, too,

(18:36):
Like you did. Yeah, but you're not. You're not like
I'm saying. You're not saying that it's your only thing
you're doing. You know, it would be different if you're
saying black Pimp and joy T shirts and come down
to the altar, you know what I mean? You know
what I mean. It's like you're you're you're a professional,
You're doing your job, and then you look at some
of these preachers. They're making millions of dollars. I mean,

(18:58):
I watched Bonno. I went to see you two the
other night. Were you there? No, but all my friends were,
and I'm so I was so jealous watching everybody you
have to go. And that's another way where I think,
didn't you post it was like church or something? Well,
I just posted that it was like it was just unforgettable.
I think Miranda posted that it was. I don't follow Miranda.

(19:19):
Maybe you don't know. Maybe I saw your post in
Nicole is Island. Um, do you know what I call?
She was there too, and both of you guys are
posting like these epic, greatest show ever. And I was like,
oh man, it is a preacher. Yeah, but in a
in a good way, like not in a Somebody asked
me if it was super political, and it wasn't. It

(19:40):
was it was more of what we're talking about. It
was like he was there too, uplift people and to
motivate them and to inspire them and then to rock
the house. It wasn't like I didn't take it. You know,
there was a little bit that that got a little
I guess you could take it as political, but I
didn't see it as that. I took it as he's

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raising awareness of what we should be focused on right now,
and that's people and poverty and oh okay, Well, before
the sun goes down, you know, you kind of think
about production, and I know, because your band, you think
about production and what you're gonna do and and so
the sun, you know, it was broad daylight when they

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came out there, Well they just handled it like you
would as a festival act. Like you're you're out in
the broad daylight. You just gotta like rock it out.
You're not trying to do anything. You're just like playing
your songs and being amazing like they are. And then
as soon as the sun started to go down, then
you started to see like the first elements of production,

(20:41):
and then it was the greatest. I mean, do you
know have you seen the show Abstract on Netflix? So
the lighting director as that does Beyonce and does the
YouTube tour like forever and ever she designed this tour
and it will just blow your mind. But you have
to watch the show. She's on the first episode of

(21:02):
Abstract and it's so inspiring. What's the show that? What's Abstract?
It's like all creative things like one one's an architect,
one's about a graphic designer, one is about her um
so it's like taking the light source and how she's
gonna light Beyonce and she's done Broadway musicals and it's
just fascinating. It's like the criminal a crime of people

(21:25):
in their art forms. That's what the whole series is about.
I'm a nerd too, so yeah, I'm a big nerd.
You're talking to me like, I know your podcast people
are probably like boring stuff talking about that. That's the
opposite my podcasting one nerds too. We have a great
little nerd audience here. So okay, you leave truth. Were
you really like superbly talented in that band where you

(21:51):
felt like you had outgrown them as as an artist
as a singer, did you as a performer did you
feel like, man, I think I'm a little bigger than this.
In the end, I thought, um, it's time for me,
like I gotta go I gotta move I gotta move on.
And we were singing so many shows and it starts
to just like really destroy your voice when you're singing,

(22:13):
you know, two fifty shows a year, So you stayed
on the road. I stayed on the road for three
years and did a lot of shows like crazy, crazy, crazy,
and we would sing like three hours a night. So
it was a lot of strenuous I mean, gospel singers
singing from their toes, you know, and um harmony band

(22:34):
like super tight harmonies, horn section, the whole deal. But yeah,
I mean at the end, I felt like it's time
for me to go. So where'd you go? What you do?
Let's see, I made an indie record, a gospel record
with a girl named Lee Cappellino who was still one
a wed. Yeah, you do your research. And I made

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that record with Chris Harris um posted the Bachelor, No nothing,
what if it was Grows Harrison. So this this duo
was called It's Very Creative Karen Lee because you were
named Yeah. The cover looked like a like a J. C.

(23:20):
Penny Catalogs cover and so this was yeah, yeah ish,
but more in the vein that I felt comfortable with
you know literally is that what you mean? Is that?
Like I'm trying to know, Like because we were you know,
it was more of our voice. Truth was more of

(23:41):
um the guy that was in charge his voice. We
were just hired feature, you know. But UM, I have
not heard this. I swear to you, I have not
heard this in like fifteen years. I don't know. I
think it's me this love has I forgot about that.

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So that's what I did afterwards. And then Lee and
I did the same thing. We were just like one day.
I mean, we were so broke, and um we were
both married. I was not married to Jimmy then, Um,
we were married. I was married to someone else, Mark Childers, Old,
super great guy who was Carrie Underwood's band director. Now

(24:27):
musically I just met him. He's like best friends with
Carrie and Mike and then his wife, Ivy Childers. I
was married to Mark. That's a small town, small world.
So okay, how old are you that when you guys
are in this duo? Oh gosh, in my twenties. So, um,

(24:48):
I moved to Nashville and nine four yeah, so and
this is in Nashville. You did this in Nashville. We
did this in Nashville. Chris Harris, who's an amazing musician.
He produced that record and um, not one of the
greatest kids can save it for already? Did you're kind
of you're kind of torturing me right now, just because

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not that I don't have the fondest memories of this,
but part of it was part of growing up. It's
part of the story too. It is part of this
without the truth and without Karen Lee you have a
little big town. That's true, Like you wouldn't well, Kimberly
and I were friends before this. Okay, cool, but you
didn't get together. That's true without all of this, none

(25:32):
of this. No, you're you're right, part of the story,
part of the story. So you guys decide this is
your life. Um yeah, we we still talk all the time.
She just came to the last Rome and show and
brought her whole family, and um, she's like, dang, I
was with Carmel Big Town because she's in a group
called Point of Grace. Yeah. Yeah, so she stayed. She

(25:57):
went on to do like, um, we've both were singing
demos for people and singing and like trying to make
a living. I used to sing at Amway conventions and
sing like cover tunes and stuff, and I would get
paid to put a band together. And she and I
did that for a long time and that's how we
paid our bills. So after Karen Lee maybe a little
bit during Karen ly a terrible name. By the way,

(26:19):
it's a horrible what a terrible name. And I think
that I want to blame that on the label at
the time, but I have to take responsibility that I
was standing there and how come your name got to
go first. I have no idea because I would think
and a two man and we'd be like a coin
flip Lee, Karen. It doesn't matter. It's always because anything

(26:39):
sounds normal once you say it. Like the first time
I heard Florida Georgia Line, I was like, that's the
dumbest name ever heard. Now she's just normal, right, Yeah,
Chumba Womba, I was like, one of the greatest mans
of history of music. Now it's just normal, are they nod?
I have one song? I was like, wow, I missed
the Chumba woman thing. Okay, so you and Lee, uh

(27:00):
you're a duo and you're no longer a duo now
we just we both looked at each other, like, are
you having fun? She's like not really, Like I'm not either,
and so we just decided that we would let it go.
So then what do you do? So then I'm singing
demos like crazy? Do you sing any hits for people
that you remember? Like you sang a demo for I
sang she only smokes when she drinks. I think I

(27:23):
sing a female version of that. I want to say
it was that demo. I used to sing like all
the time, demos and sessions and just whatever I could do.
Do you feel like you're better than a lot of
the people around you? Like really like in your heart?
We're like, man, how come I just am not? I
I got a ticket one day and I had like

(27:48):
teared up on the road after it was like after
a session or I think we had lost a deal,
or maybe we were close to getting a deal. I
can't remember, but I just remember thinking, God, this is
never going to have happen. And I was kind of
by myself in the car, like really, I'm not a
super emotional person, but I was emotional and I got

(28:10):
a ticket. I guess I was speeding while I was crying,
and so I had to drive it up on the cop,
I'm too pridful, like, oh yeah, you supposed to leave
it for the cops to turn it up, and I
know I should have, but I didn't, so I got
a ticket and then then I was even more sad,
like loser. But were you frustrated though, because you did
you feel like I'm I'm really good yet nobody's taken

(28:33):
notice of me, or I haven't succeeded, like I'm watching
my peers around me do. Yeah, I mean I really
felt that way when when the band got together, and
the four of us we got a record deal fast,
and we got multiple offers and we signed, and we
thought this is gonna be amazing, and we sang in

(28:53):
a like an Oscar de Lahoya fight on HBO, and
I mean they you know, all of a sudden, we
were in limousines and we were at thinking this is
this is it? Like this is going to happen. And
our first show was at the Opery, so we had
never sung in public until the Grand Old Opery. Yeah,
so we were just thinking that was going to be
it and then it wasn't. So you and Kimberly knew

(29:15):
each other first, but you didn't sing together. We sang
together in college and like we were in this yeah,
but we were buddies, like we hit it off at
choir camp. But then you've moved. You both weren't not
in Nashville. She was in Knoxville. I was in Nashville,
and and she was commuting and she was singing. She
did an independent record, um and was she was singing

(29:38):
like a little honky talks from here to Knoxville and
traveling back and forth. And then she moved, and so
as soon as she moved, we started hanging out and
we were just brainstorming. One day, I was I was
gonna do a country solo thing that was going to
be and so was she, And then we started brainstorm
and like maybe we should do something together. But the
Dixie Chicks were like motch Us. They were selling millions

(30:01):
of records, and we were like, why would we do
a girls group because nobody's going to do it better
than them. I mean, there's no purpose in doing that.
But then we started thinking, well, nobody's ever done like
a mom is in the Papas or a Fleetwood Mac
and country music not with not where you could you know,
like really have the harmonies be the lead singer, so
we took off trying to do it. Was it ever

(30:23):
thought to call the group Karen Kimberly because I love
the idea of taking two names, of slamming them together,
not ever one time, not every one time. So it's
you two and you're like, Okay, we're gonna do something. Um,
where did Jimmy come in? We thought it was gonna
be a trio. And at the time I was married
to Mark and he was on the road with Shelley

(30:45):
right he was in a band with Okay, Shelley and
then Jay de Marcus from Rascale Flats and Joe Don
ruining Rascal Flats. They were all in a band together.
So Kimberly and I used to go down to see
Rascal Flats play at the Fiddle and Steel Bar downtown,
and Gary used to show up and saying we were
like holy cow, oh my gosh, you know, but they

(31:07):
weren't a band yet. There was just always different configurations
of them up there, and we were looking for walking
me through this. So Gary would show up and sing
with Jay and Joe Don playing a different band. Yeah,
they would sing at the Fiddle and Steel like when
they weren't out with Shelley, right, and there was some
other but they were but they would come together and play,

(31:30):
but then they all go back there on their own ways. Yeah, okay, yeah,
I think Gary might have been singing back up for
Michael English at the time. And then Billy Currington would
show up and he would just hop up and sing,
so we would we would be all kind of hanging
out together. And and then I think I think it
was Joe do On first or Gary first, one of

(31:51):
them sang with us first, and then that didn't work out.
So you're saying a little Big town at one point,
was you, Kimberly and one of the flat. I wish
we had one of them in here, one of the flats,
Like if Jay were in here, then we could really
tell the story together really well. We should do that sometimes.
But yeah, they were not a band yet. We were

(32:13):
not a band. And Jay is still mad that I
we never asked him to be in a Little Big Town. Yeah.
If it were jo Don though, it would probably the
greatest looking band of all time. Jodan Um, Yeah, Jodan
play with us for a little while, and then then Jay,
Gary and Jodan decided they should be a band. That's crazy,

(32:34):
and so then we got the phone call of like,
we're going to be a band. We love you all,
but sorry, and we were like, dad, gum it, we've
been working on this forever in your mind. What was
the perfect scenario at that point? At that point we
thought then Jimmy, Jimmy was a part of it. Who
did you think the band was going to be At
that point, I thought it was gonna be Jimmy, Kimberly

(32:57):
and me and Jodan. I kind of thought Gary was
just chasing his he was he was amazing, but I
could tell he wanted to do something with Jay so
and then then we were like, well, dad, comet, this
just isn't meant to be like not with not with them,
And then they put out a song and it like

(33:18):
just took off. I mean literally they left us in
the dust like that. Well, I mean, we were happy
for them, but it was it was not saying you
weren't happy, but you're on the same level. One day
and ninety days later, they're on freaking tea. They have
a number one show, They're like on every late night show.
They're selling millions of records and and opening up for

(33:42):
Vince Gill and all these people and weird, still we're
still back at the house. Part of the band that
was in your band is now selling a million records. Yeah,
that's crazy and weird, but it also shows you how
fast things can happen. Yeah. Like I talked to so
many writers and performers and they're like, you know what,
it was never happening and if there it went, I

(34:02):
never thought it was gonna happen the next thing, you know.
I look back and it's like that was the moment
for them, that was the moment. That's why you can't
quit because like we didn't. We didn't have the easiest
of journeys, but um, it was so like meant to be.
Clearly they were supposed to be the Rascal Flats, and
clearly we were supposed to be in the band together.
If you call them the rascal Flats will get piste.

(34:23):
Oh did I say that? Many like that? Well did
I say that? I'm sorry because they scolded me. They're
rascal flats. We're not called the rascal Flats. Do I
call you the Bobby bones? Because not even near a microphone.
I was like, I guess that is weird. Somebody said
the little bit you do not call me the Bibles

(34:44):
because we're not the Rascal Flats. Sorry, y'all, I mean
goes to the thing. It's not you and Kimberly again, Well,
it's me, Kimberly and Jimmy and you guys have now
decided we're gonna try to make it as a trio. Well,
somebody challenged us, like to make it or really early
on in the days, a guy named Brian Tankersley. He
was an engineer. He was like, man, if you guys

(35:05):
added a fourth person, it would it would give you
the flexibility to like one person take the lead and
keep the three part like country triad going on and
so much more versatility. And we're like, you're right, that
would be cool. But that finding that fourth person was
really really hard. I mean, that's part of the story
of the Rascal Flat deal way back years ago. So

(35:27):
we met Philip after all that happened. We met Philip
through a songwriter in Nashville, and Kimberly and I met
him at Starbucks and Franklin and we exchanged music like
CDs and like he had his own music. Was he
a lead singer of whatever is project was? Yes? And
he was about to sign. He wanted to do like
a Johnny Lang like blue Um, you know, singer songwriter deal,

(35:53):
and he was about to sign his life a way
to kind of not a great publishing deal, actually a
bad publishing deal. And so anyhow he we talked him
out of that and we got we got in the car,
Kimberly and I were like, well, he's way too too
handsome and well spoken to be good. So we were

(36:16):
dreading putting his CD in the car, and then there
that we hadn't heard him yet, just somebody somebody had
been bragging on him that he was an amazing singer.
So that was like going to be the exchange of music.
And we got in the car and we were like,
oh my gosh, he's got this voice. And we had
always said if we could have a singer that sounded
like he smoked all day, that that would really change

(36:37):
the texture of our voices together. And that's what Philip
sounds like. Was there somebody in between Jimmy and Philip
or seven somebody's where you kept trying and they didn't.
It didn't work, No, And we never sang as a
band until we were Philip and Jimmy and Kimberly and
I the night at the Opery. I think we sang
in CIA's conference room with Joe Don once I Joe

(37:00):
Don is the other member, Jimmy Joe Don I. I
gotta ask jod on that, but I think it was
one afternoon on like a conference room deal of playing
our agents songs. I have video, so I don't think
I have video of any of the Joe Don Gary stuff,
but we have video like way back, I have video

(37:20):
of like since CIA meetings and where we were trying
to figure out if we could afford to open up
for Billy Gilman and what people don't understand. You say,
afford to open up. It costs money. It's not like
I'll just use my girlfriend as an example because she
won't care about us it. She's opening for Brad Paisley
right now, and Brad says, I'll give you one dollar
per show, and you have to figure out how to
get your travel there, how to eat, how to pay

(37:41):
for your band, and sometimes it cost a dollar in
five cents, so it's can you last for She's like
sixty days with Brad, and Brad's very generous toy. And
here's people are so kindle and it's they're very she
got lucky with brad Um, but a lot of artist
struggle and they lose money forever forever. And then when

(38:02):
you're splitting it four ways, I'm going to get that
in a minute. I don't even know how I mean.
Then you're like, really, like, are you splitting it four ways? Yeah?
Oh yeah. And I used to rent the van. It
was my job. I would advance the shows and the
manager I was like the tour manager. Sometimes I would
advance under a different name. What's your fake name? Do
you remember? I can't remember it? Something crazy like that

(38:25):
would have been good. Why didn't I think of that?
I needed you run? Yeah, So, but we would we
would have to come up with, okay, a sprinter van,
not a sprinter van on a white van, you know,
not even many bus with little beds, but it feels
like you're laying in the back of a truck when
you hit bumps lane. Yeah. If this would just be
like a regular fifteen passenger van, and then we would

(38:47):
figure out meals and Starbucks and and literally I have
video of like me beating little big town bracelets in
the front of the van because we needed to sell
we needed to sell like ten bracelets and fifteen T
shirts and to have gas to make it back home.
Do you look back at that time, they go, Man,
that was fun, Like man that we're looking back at

(39:10):
the struggle, the real struggle, because I I do that now.
I look back when I was at the time, it
was more of the paycheck to paycheck, like I was
below and now we have to do extra things to me.
But that was the most fun because I had everything
in front of me. Yeah, we used to go. We
would we would drive for hours and hours and hours,

(39:33):
and just the four of us and we were so
tight and we would just like dream, just sit out
and dream and while we were driving of things that
we could do and what we would do if we
ever had a little bit of success and a little
bit of money. And that's why now it's so amazing,
it really is, because it was a long, long, long time.

(39:55):
Who was the person that said little big town that name? Yeah,
a little bit um it was. It was a publishing company,
a little bit town Publishing And did they go away
before you? And so you thought that's cool, keep it. Well,
we we were messing with town names because of like

(40:17):
Kimberly and Jimmy and Philip are like from tiny, tiny,
tiny towns. And I was a little bit of the
city girl, and we were trying to find names that
reflected the music. And somebody turned over a CD and
it's a Little Big Town Publishing and we're like, maybe
that's the name. You know again, you become kind of names,

(40:40):
you know what I mean, Like you said about Florida
Georgia line or it was not, but now a Little
Big Towns just a name. Yeah, it's just the name
of the group that you hear all the time. It's
not even weird. But I would think that the first
time Little Big Town that was weird too. Yeah, hindsided
it is. Think about the first time. It is very
help for think for me to tell anything about I

(41:01):
think about the first time and you won't remember it,
but that you ever heard my stupid name Bobby Bones,
Like who it's not a pirate and a porn star?
Like wo, So is Bobby Bones your real name? No? No, no,
I would like Bobby And so I was given that
name when I was like seventeen. And I gotta get
a copy of my book on the way out. I'll
sign it for him when she lives. Um, yeah, no, no,
I'm sorry, I was. I know I was. I know.

(41:23):
It wasn't it's only on Wikipedia. Don't worry. No, No,
that's my real name and I don't even hide it.
But it's um, it was forced on me. I was
seventeen and so like you can be Bobby Bones, Bobby Z.
I was a kid. I know, I was like, well
bones at least sounds like an actual person. And so
everywhere I was, I went, I was connected to somewhere
else because I went from Hot Springs, Arkansas to Little

(41:43):
Rock shared some listening audience, Little Rock to Austin, Texas,
and I was already doing nights, and then Austin I
was started doing a national night show. And then the
morning everything was connected. I can never leave the stupid name.
Everybody went to had the stupid name. It's not stupid now.
It's not because it's normal, because it's normal, right, and
it's because it is something you know. It's like it
becomes I feeling a little hurt, you know, my real name,

(42:06):
like a little bit I might be. I'm gonna be
honest and be selfish a second. My feels a little hurt.
You know my waln name. That's okay. I didn't want
to hurt your feelings. We should that. That's honestly, when
you can openly ask and hurt feelings, when you can
put other people at the risk and see, that means
you're being open and honest. I'm sorry. Why would you
be sorry you didn't know? Let me talk about wag
walker for a second. So let me talk about wag

(42:27):
Walker for a second. It is an on demand app
for getting a dog walker. It's like an uber for
your dog. Used it all the time. Just search wag
walking in the app store. You can search wag I
love it because again, let's say I'm at work and
it's like one pm and my dogs did go out.
I go boop. Find somebody close and they'll come to

(42:47):
the house. So thoroughly vetted, so I mean they know
these people quality experience. You can GPS track your dog's walk.
You have notifications if your dog uses the bathroom, peace, poops,
your apple actually bark at you. There's a photo of
report card summer. After each walk, you know your dog's home,
it's safe in details and how many time to use
the bathroom. You don't have to be home that's when
I use it. That's the only time I use it

(43:07):
actually is when I'm not home. Wag since you a
free lock box or you can leave an alternate home
access instruction and so you can say, hey, get in
this way. You know the type of code in. My
dog just jumped up here on me right now. Thank you,
Dusty and the dog walker can will come in anyways.
I must have, I think to mussel app for every

(43:28):
dog owner. Just search wag walking in the app store.
Could your first wag walk for free by texting the
word bones to four bones b on s to four
wag Willson do you a link download the app? Beat
your first free wag All right, so add some stuff
for you here, wag walker. You have dog? I do, honey, um,

(43:50):
old dog, nine months old puppy? Are you training the puppy?
Who's training the puppy? We have a trainer? Yeah out
at Cedar Valley Canine really good. Yeah. Why do you
have a trainer for yours? My dog is now fourteen

(44:10):
and when I have my dog when he was young,
I could not afford a trainer. Um. So yeah, animals
are expensive. My dog is a better life than I do.
Probably like he just chills where downstairs his own room,
just chilling, like being a single guy. And you know,
nice howls. You got some room, got the backyard, he

(44:32):
has his own room. I got kids or anything yet,
So he just chills. You'll just be a great dad.
I don't know. I don't know. If I don't know,
I don't know. One more thing you don't know about.
I don't know anything. I want to play some stuff.
I'm talking about me. I don't wanna talk about me.
You're a little big town. You're in a van. You're
driving all around the country. Are you opening for who

(44:54):
when we're in a van? Yeah? Probably the most Phil Vassar.
And then Keith took a out on like a weekend,
a couple of weekends of shows. Was it Keith because
I had a bunch of talk with Keith? Was it
Keith while he was still crazy Keith? Or was the
Keith after he kind of fixed himself. The first ones
are crazy Keith um and then not crazy Yeah, but

(45:18):
he let me tell you, even crazy Keith was still
like this amazing good I didn't know crazy Keith sold
like just amazing person. And so yeah, just a different
part of his journey, but both we we too. We've
toured with Keith more than we've toured with anybody. And
Keith was the first guy that ever gave us a
chance on a big stage, like an arena tour. It

(45:41):
was him. Did you guys consider a band or a
vocal group like we like Boys to Men or we
like Hanson? Like if you had to pick one, like,
what did you consider yourself? Because a lot of times
we just see maybe three of you and then one
has a guitar or maybe two guitar. Well, but you haven't.
I know, I'm gonna get my feelings hurt. I've seen
your shows and you've been around you. Of course you

(46:02):
have been around you, But I'm saying yeah, but but
you haven't seen his play like just the four of us.
Let me think for a second, Hold on a minute,
I ever seen before? So like to be fair, I
don't get to I'm on the road every weekend. My
feelings really aren't hurt. Good because you can wikipedia my
name really easy. Um, okay, back to my question, do

(46:26):
you can see yourself more like Boys to Man or Hanson?
But wait, can we get back to the name thing
really quick? What didever you want your control here. No,
um like John Mellencamp doesn't like to ever be referred
to as John Cougar Mellencamp. Yeah, so I didn't know
if if your name, you didn't know my name. It's okay,
I didn't know your name, but I didn't know if

(46:46):
I don't a bad thing. Now, of course, there's no
bad Like I told you before the JA and I
got into a screaming match on this. There's no rules here, okay,
just talk about say whatever you want, ask whatever you want.
I don't care. Okay. So back to Hanson or boys
to men? Are you more like handsOn or boy to man? Well,
I think okay, but I think more like hill billy
mamas and the Papas are food mac fair. But people

(47:09):
maybe that don't know music or below thirty five won't
get that reference. True, But we'll they'll get boys them
in water runs dry. I'll make love to you. I'm
bend de kneed. The two albums, the Blue album, Are
you kidding Me? You got you? Come on? No? I
love them Nineties. I just saw them sing last year
with Dan and Shay. It was awesome. Yeah, boy, Yeah,

(47:32):
you can talk about seventies versus nineties. Yeah, that's why.
So okay, so okay, your boys to men, your country
boys to mend. Here you are, you're up there, and
let me play a song for you here. Tell me
about the song right here. This sounds like a church song,

(47:52):
ya ya. It sounds like the guys parts in the
girls parts are split up on purpose where you're not
allowed to dance with each other. It's like you're singing
across from each other at church. That's head, you know
what that that is. That's an overthought record. Um, and
that is us not having our voice, like not fully

(48:15):
knowing who we are. But there's elements of us way
in there. You know what. Do you hear some good
stories about this record? Time? Um, we didn't want that

(48:40):
to be the single, first single, yeah, but they didn't
listen to us. Did you begrudgingly go out and perform it? Like?
Oh no, because we know but but and I like
I like the song. We like the song. Fine, it's
just that we it shouldn't have been a first single

(49:00):
and and the record um, and we blame ourselves for this,
but we it's kind of like a vanilla out version
of us, you know, like very too much thinking. You
can get in the studio and just like think too much,
and you can have people around you that think too much,
and sometimes that doesn't make for the best music, but

(49:24):
it also is part of the journey. It's like sometimes
you just don't come out of the gate getting it right,
and it's not anybody's fault. Like the people that we
made those records with were obviously trying hard, you know,
they wanted us to break and they weren't trying to
do a bad job. They weren't trying to put a
bad No, not at all. I wondered Lee of my

(49:45):
favorite group, Karrent Lee, by the way, I wonder if
she is like man I could have been Kimberly in
a little big town No, because I think she thinks
too much that that she had a path and we
had a path and it was all what it was
supposed Okay, so don't waste my time? Doesn't work? Right?

(50:05):
Do you get dropped after that? Um? I think we
had do we have one more? I think we had
one more single than we got dropped. And so when
you dropped, how does that work? What do you get
a call? And we were on the five o'clock news,
you know, Dimitria, Calademos and everybody. I think that's channel.
I can't remember the channel that is. Um. We were
a part of a mass exodus of artists at Sony

(50:27):
and I think they're like fifteen artists that got dropped
and we were one of them. But for some reason
we got mentioned on the news and that we had
owed like millions of dollars in recording debt. But isn't
that you don't really have to pay unless you make
it right. Yeah, And but it was weird that we
we were on the news and it kind of really

(50:48):
it just sucked because we were thinking, God, now we're damaged.
Goods were two label deals in you know, we were
out of the Mercury deal. Now we got dropped on Sony.
We had booned docks and bring it on home, and
Sony still dropped us. So that means they really didn't
want us. When you say when you said you had moondogs,

(51:08):
like it was already out or you had it sitting
there ready to get we had it ready to go
and so I hadn't made it wasn't out yet. Never
listened to this on the radio. I love the end
of the song. Thanks to this was the first time
we we got the sound right and like got in
the studio and we didn't have anybody looking over our
shoulder and we made the music we wanted to make.
And we were broke and like three broken relationships and

(51:33):
a husband that passed away, and it was a difficult
time for the band, but we found our solace in
making music. And you know, when you're desperate, then you
really get down to it. Could you feel like when
you're recording this on somethings different? Yeah? Really? Oh yeah,
because it's hard to feel different when things just haven't
gone right for a long time. You know where we

(51:53):
felt different when we were in Afghanistan. We had this
song and we could tell the soldiers like they just
loved the song about home and they didn't know us.
We didn't have a hit, and they talked about this
song all the time. It was it written at the
end for it to be the breakdown, you know, the
yeah that was in I always wonder how do you

(52:16):
guys decide who? We were sitting around just like this,
and we were at Wayne's studio and he was like,
you know, he was, let's it feels like it needs
like a cool vamp on the end, but like something
that le love it would love, you know, like something
cool like that feels familiar and yet it's new. And
so he started singing that, and then we started just

(52:38):
kind of vamping around parts, and he was like, that's it,
that's it, And then we one by one quickly went
in and just started singing those like ad Libby things,
you know, five sun. He thought that was just the
thing that that happened. Wayne started it and then he yeah,
I think he came up with that, you know what.

(52:59):
I like it. First of all. I like all those voices,
and to me it sounds a bit like um um,
I want to hear something the round of that. Yeah,
And I loved that, you know. I love so boondocks.
So you had Boon Docs and you didn't. It didn't
go out like you had it. You were just holding
onto it. We were holding onto it. And then we

(53:19):
we we took Boon Ducks and bring it on home
with us. Yeah, which is this is the biggest single
we had ever had right here, not yet in the story.
I love this song. Why do you love this song?
I don't know if I love those long harmonies, and

(53:39):
I think it reminds me of that time in our lives.
Sentimental dude, bring it on home. So you take these
with you to the new deal to a no deal,
I mean, we had no deal. And and so that's
when we we went out to Wayne Studio and we

(54:02):
just made just a record and we had probably eight
songs that ended up being on the road to hear
record and we are lawyer pitched him around town to
people without telling people who it was, and because we
were kind of damaged goods and just to get feedback.
And again we got rejected several times. And then Mike Crasky,

(54:26):
who was our old um kind of one of the
higher ups at Sony who had gotten blown out when
we got blown out, he felt like it was unfinished
business and he just really always believed in us. So
he and Clint Black were starting to label an indie label,
Clint Black and and so we took this record over

(54:49):
there to them, and and then it took off like
and it was so amazing. I gotta wonder before it
took off those So there are four of you and
it hasn't worked. How close did you guys get to
go on, Okay, this isn't gonna work. We're gonna have
to go our own ways. We never did you really
never did no. I remember one truck stop on the
way to Boston where Kimberly said, what are we doing?

(55:12):
Because we're so tired and so broke. But it was
just like a laughing like what are we doing? We're crazy?
But I just think we're just we're just so stubborn,
you know, like just not gonna quit. And so we
just kept going and then this happened. So what was it?
What hit first for you where you're like, Okay, this

(55:33):
thing's got some real legs. Okay. The day we were
I think we were in we were in a North
Carolina's studio like parking lot with our radio guy in
the car, Jeff Davis, I think it was Jeff Davis, Yeah,
and we were sitting there. We got a call from
our then manager and we had been crucified in the press,
like for like everything from the way the record looked,

(55:56):
you know, that first record that you were playing from
the videos too, just like I mean, wrong with what
we're wrong with you? And they were just saying like
put together band, overproduced, slick um, you know, boy band
with girls in it, you know, just any kind of criticism.
I mean, we were written up in the Tennessee and
like worst review ever. It was horrible, Like all these

(56:18):
things went on. So one day after we've been out
on radio tour, we got a call and they said, hey, um,
Bob Orman. And I don't know if your listeners know
who he is, but he's like country music critic forever
and ever and ever. Do you know him? Robert Orman?
And he wrote a critique of the record and he said,

(56:40):
this is a revelation. I take back any negative thing
I've ever said about this band. And that was like,
I mean, I think Kimberly started crying like it is
turning around, Like this is the moment It's turning around.
So that and it really was, and he really helped
change people's perspective that we had made the record finally,

(57:02):
that we needed to make and people should pay attention.
And then Keith heard the record and then that's when
he took us out. So what song was the radio
song at that point? Boondocks? So you now I've put
it out, so you have boondocks. What are the words
on the chart because it wasn't a number one was
it went to eighty and I used to mail bootleg

(57:23):
copies of this when we had it at Sony and
we weren't supposed to really be doing anything with it.
I used to mail it to radio program directors and
just that were friends of ours and say what do
you think? Just to get feedback, you know, like Jenny
Rodgers in Boston. I've mailed it to her and a

(57:44):
couple other guys just to say, like Greg Swedberg, I think,
um so, just people that seem to like even the
first record, that saw the potential there, and you know,
those people have been friends of ours ever since. I'm
sure I wasn't supposed to do that, but I did.

(58:06):
History is full of people who weren't supposed to do
things who did things, and that's how things happen. That's right.
You gotta make it. Tell me about this one right here,
this house, because this is when I first started being like,
who are these guys? I want to cook and chase?
Make sure I know I love I love this record?

(58:31):
Are you supposed to say that about your own records?
I think if you do say it, it's very you
were very honest, because you're not supposed to say you do.
But if you do, it's a really honest thing to say.
You know, I love it. I love it because that
again was like a defining moment for the band because
because we were in the studio with Jay Joyce, it

(58:52):
was it was just the first time we had done
something again. That was a new chapter, a new relationship
of production. Jay is a lot different than Wayne. They
both have they just have very different ways of producing records.
And Jay won't let you think about anything. It's all
about instinct and what feels good. And when he started

(59:13):
crafting that moment right there, he was so in it
and like it was almost like watching a conductor, you know,
he had some of those crazy parts I could tell
in his head and he was just like just going
for it. And it it sounds like that. It sounds
like people in there really singing and going for it
without overthinking. And we never thought that that would be

(59:36):
a single, much less than number one record. We didn't
eat um. We didn't even play this for Dungan until
the very end of playing the record because we were
scared to play that for him. We waited until we
played everything else. And that was like the twelfth song.
We were like, and we have this, and what was

(59:58):
his response? He liked it all. I mean, I think,
I mean, he was so happy about Pontoon because he
had heard that song the demo and he was like,
you guys need to stop. Everybody was saying, oh, it's
a smash, it's a smash, it's a smash, and he
was like, hey, it's not a smash yet. Wait, like,
hold on until you get in the studio and you

(01:00:20):
make it a smash. And he was right about that.
I mean, you can't you can't start saying that when
you don't even haven't even recorded it. So but he
turned around when he heard it and he had the
biggest grind on his face and he was like, well,
you did it. Yeah, that's it. Natalie Hamby was in
sitting there, we're talking about this song, and she was like,
you know when it whenever they wrote it was back

(01:00:41):
this be into the water, you know, and they had
to change the bad word. What what? What what do
you guys? I mean, sometimes alive, I still say it,
but on the record it's not though it's hitch back
this hitch into the water. Okay, Yeah, she said, she
probably told you the story about the guy that's on
the boat with them when they bought a boat and
she's like and he's like, I hate that song that

(01:01:03):
songs like have you ever seen people do that into
your show? That maybe like at a festival. I mean
not people that would buy tickets to the show, but
I've seen people on a festival, like we're clearly they
were coming to see Blake or somebody that was on,
and we were on in front of them, and they
they will whisper things like why did she wear that?
Or I hate this song? Have you ever seen people

(01:01:24):
do that? For yes, because either when we play festivals
and we oddly get put on big festivals in good spots.
But the thing is, you either know us or you
have no idea, like it's seem music. We played the
River stage right, that's like this the big ones in
football field, the one that you guys played, And then
they put the b X on the river. We're not
gonna be at but they put some the river in

(01:01:44):
a perfect spot four pm, right before everybody goes over,
and I remember like a third of the people because
they want to leave because somebody good was coming after us.
They were like, what is happening on stage right? And
I get to see it in their faces so yes,
but they were just confused by us. We're gotten jumps
soon and you had to run d n C. John
all that. But you guys are actually good, though there's
a difference, like our thing is stupid. But uh, Ponto

(01:02:08):
first number one, Tornadoes number one. Um, I have so
many things. Yeah, but Ponto was and then tornado and
then I can't something that didn't work I think was next.
So you're side of the bed. You're side of the bed.
I remember watching I was here. I remember watching the performance,
like in the bed, the person doing like the circles.

(01:02:29):
I always loved your song. This is the truth. It
seems like I love the songs that don't make it
more than I like the ones that do. It's weird,
whatever you are about to say, say it because I
love there are songs of your I'm just disgusted when
they don't make it. I just I'm so angry at
the industry. I know. And this came out in a
time when not very many ballads were on radio, and

(01:02:51):
so I don't know if that's why. But we wrote
this with Lori McKenna girl Crush. Yeah, I love this song. Thanks.
I had this this chorus and the melody of the
verse in my phone for a while and and then
Laurie had the hook. Yeah, I was disappointed when it

(01:03:13):
didn't work. It's just such a song like whatever I'll
ever on the radio, like song should Win, which later
ended up happening with a Girl Crush friendli Like, yes,
you guys kind of kicked that wall down of ken
Ballad's work. Well you really did. It was like Kennebell
and you don't get much slower than Girl Crush. Good Crush,

(01:03:36):
hey too, And man, I mean I think You're side
of the bed is just as good as Girl Crush. Yeah,
I know, will you help this one a lot? But this,
regardless of who helped what, I'm just so disapointed your
side of the bed didn't work. Yeah, because I love
Girl Crush obviously, but when You're side of the bed
didn't work. But this song all of a sudden about

(01:03:58):
Girl Crush, and I think this story is just told
thousand times, is that I think that kind of kicked
the door down for balance, at least in my company,
which is the biggest company and my new boss which
I'm very close to, who brought me here and then
I helped bring him here. It was like, look at this,
like this works. Yeah, and the power of of that
once it started, I mean, remember the remember how it

(01:04:21):
happened when you played it, and then it went from
what was it? It wasn't even on the chart, and
then it was like bam, it was like number four
or something. The number two. I remember, I remember exactly
because I remember us talking. We were in New York
and Day Drinking was about to number one and this
record was about to come out, so Day Drinking was
the single, and I was like, I'm not listening to

(01:04:42):
the record till it comes out. That's always not rule,
and list the record comes out. Record came out at midnight,
and they were like four songs that one of the
guys worked at your label, Steve said, hey, he's just
an other songs, and I heard across. I was like,
holy crap. And I was in New York City. I
was like, Amy, I have to play this song. I
got so much trouble. I've told you before they did
that to before they spent up research money my company
did to research this song. I see it was hurting

(01:05:04):
my show. Are you kidding? So this is why they
literally spent thousands of dollars because I was playing it
all the time, rightly, researching to see if the controversy
was hurting me. So it wasn't. It wasn't a radio
song and it was to everybody else was a lesbian song.
But all the song was so good and I started
playing it and I'll play it and I like it.
Songs are good, and I I did it for like

(01:05:25):
a week, right, and so my companies were they get
worried and they they hire without my knowledge and not
even a bad way one of those rooms where people
could sit in it, and they back one of the
rooms called my research rooms, uh focus, like a focus room,
and they had people listened to it and see if
it was making them angry that I was talking about it.

(01:05:45):
And it ended up being like sixty percent we're okay
within weren't, which is still pretty high. But you mean
hw on the negative side, Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean
a lot of people think we made up the controversy,
but we didn't. I mean, I know, you didn't make
up the controversy. I know, but I've had I've had
people in the business stopped me and go, man, that
was a good one, y'all. Did like, would you think

(01:06:05):
that we would actually do that when you guys came
to the studio there these are memories I haven't thought
of since. But I'm sitting here, and you know, you
sit with someone, you remember things. You and Kimberly came
to the studio, did you too? We were talking about
and Emily was listening to the show in d C.
And Emily, are right for the post she and she
messages me, She's like, that's crazy interview that song like,
And I was like, there's a story here, and don't

(01:06:29):
put me in the front of the story. Put somebody
else because it will automatic turn people off because I've
been you scream about it forever. And she put like
a DJ and I or something first and did me second,
and boom controversy And it was I love controversy. I
was in love, but it was it was that weird
for you guys. Did you feel like you were being attacked? Well,
we had done a few interviews kind of a couple

(01:06:50):
of weeks before trying to like ward off some of
the negativity that of just like maybe moms that didn't
think they wanted their children to hear I want to
taste her lips in the morning on country radio and
they were calling into complain, and so we were getting
on there saying, you know, oh, it's a song about jealousy,

(01:07:11):
and you know, just having to try to like get
the stations to play it, that we're thinking about dropping
it because of the negative calls. So then this happens
with you. And I remember you saying, maybe a couple
of weeks before the Kimberly and I session, you said
to the four of us in the studio, doesn't it

(01:07:32):
make you all mad that like you have like such
a big selling song on iTunes and you're like at
number forty something on the chart. Do you remember saying that?
That's what then started it too, And then Kimberly and
I came back. The post thing was written. The Iowa
guy wrote his thing. Jimmy saw the Iowa guy. I

(01:07:55):
guess he wrote something on a blog or something about it.
He saw that on the bus late one night, and
I remember us all gathering in the front lounge to
the bus and going, oh my gosh, what is going
to happen? And all I really cared about was that
the song didn't get lost in the shuffle of controversy.
I was afraid it was gonna go away, and I

(01:08:18):
was like, this is such a special lyric, such a
special song, Please don't let this go away. You needed
the shuffle for the song to get out. You needed
the shuffle for other songs to get out. That's the
weird thing about it all. You guys just didn't do
this for a girl crush, Like I'm not kidding like
other ballads that you should be here from Cole Swindell,

(01:08:40):
that those songs like that would not have been on
the radio if you guys want to put that girl crush,
because that song was against everything that ready was supposed
to be. By the way I was pulling my hair,
I'm frustrated right I'm talking about it, and this is
two years ago. It was everything wrong with radio. It
was slow, it was female. Well it probably ballads weren't
researching it was Yeah, it was a six eight waltzing.

(01:09:05):
Was wrong with it except it was perfect. Except for
it was perfect and it stood out like it was.
You couldn't ignore it, you know. And that's what If
there's anything that I learned through the years of when
you're making music, it's like you have to stand out
among the pack, even if you fail, even if you lose.
Sometimes it's so much better to be like fire than

(01:09:28):
it is to just be ignored. Back to how he
first started, rather beyond the worst dress list, then list
at all. That's right, that's right, and I'm okay with you.
And I get beat up all time by the the Guard,
the natural Guard, kill the Let me tell you what
other song really irritates me? That and I know you
guys just lost it with Happy People. I love that song.

(01:09:50):
I was playing in the dance part. That was such
a good song. I think Happy People is going to
have its life somehow. Can you sell it to the
cartoon like a movie? Like well, I know, doesn't it
feel like yeah, it's again. It's so different. People were
scared of it. It sounds seventies. It has that kind
of bell bottom I hear bell bottoms dancing. I hear
people it would stop listen. And I think that different

(01:10:13):
always scares people until it's not different anymore. And IPO
and you know what, when we're in the studio, we're
always setting out to be different. And so when we
made that record, we could have cut it a different way.
And we specifically chased, chased, chased the very things that
you're saying like, well, we were listening and referencing to

(01:10:33):
old records and going the kick should feel like this,
and it should feel very like train Ish, you know,
not trained the band. Um, but you know it didn't.
It's not just one of those records that just jumps
out and snacks up side the head is a radio hit,
I guess, but I think, but I think it would

(01:10:53):
have been too. I love it. Yeah, I just keep
playing its everybody off. I think it should be like
in a commercial. I think you should be in a
cartoon or something. It's so happy and I just like
happy songs to me too, And I think it's an important,
important sentiment for right now. How about this one. It's

(01:11:16):
a very good song. I did, like I know, I
do the song and when you guys played it at
the c MT Awards, I love the song to begin
with because it's it's very it's very musical message e
I love message songs, love songs that you can hear
the words. Um, they're like it's a little risky, I know,
a little risky to go and and I know throw

(01:11:40):
a Baladi song out with Jimmy, I know with but
but it's it's the rule of the band. It's like,
we just we have to go with what we think
love it, you know, we just have to go with
our gut, and we have to go with what also
we see people reacting to. And I don't think you can.
That's the research. You cannot ignore people lighting up in

(01:12:04):
an audience, even though people will say, well you can't.
Don't ask your mom, you know, of course, but she's
gonna like everything you like. But when you see people
moved by a song, or they're talking about it, or
you know, you're so good with your fans, you can
see what they're talking about, what they love, what they
light up about when you're doing your stuff, So it's

(01:12:24):
the same thing. We can see it too. So we're
just gonna roll, guys, I love it and see if
it works. I love Risks. I love failing because that
means at least I gave it a big old. I know.
I told Luke when Luke Brown one day we were
on tour, and I was like, you can't remember not
having to hit do you? He didn't remember. I mean

(01:12:44):
he does remember, but he you know, he he's like
one of those guys that just and his fans they
just adore him. And I do too. We do too,
but he it's been a long time. Some people can
just try risky things and radio is gonna play it
all the time. I don't know. For some reason, we
haven't always been that band, but that's okay because when

(01:13:07):
we we do have them, it's huge and radio has
been so good to us because you have females in
the band, Like that's the real reason regards one to
hear it or not? Do you think absolutely it is?
You don't think this industry is like a little like
the females, of course, and you have females that and
you guys do an amazing job because I don't know
if you call yourself the lead vocalist, but you're the

(01:13:27):
lead vocalist of the group and in everyone's mind because
you sing more of the lead parts. So the main
voice that you hear is a female. So it's like
you think of lady and a bellum. That's a girl.
That's that's a girl band. There are two guys and
a girl, but it still a girl band. And so
that's why that's all it is. This one bath a
bunch of haters. Well, I'm gonna say this. A few

(01:13:51):
years ago I was so discouraged about this subject. And
I think there has been a little bit of an improvement.
I mean to see Kelsey Maren really bust through and
on a Grammy level, bus through that we've made progress.
It's better than it was a year ago, and in
the year it'll be better than it is now. You

(01:14:13):
don't want a revolution, you want evolution because the revolution
comes and goes. The worst thing to happen when people
start throwing females in the radio just to put females
on the radio. Yeah, because it's so much better when
it has substance, and and girls write substance songs. It's
just more difficult to play it on the radio. And
and I just think it's it's not balanced, and it's

(01:14:36):
not true real life when you're not playing women. I
don't even want balance because I'm okay if it's imbalanced
the other way. I'm that's all I want. Like, let's
not not do things because of something. And I see
how I deal with it all the time. But well, oh,
I'm mna ask one more thing before we wrap up,
Like are you making a lot of money in your

(01:14:57):
clothing line? Because I wouldn't think you would early it's
a new business. You know, it's like it's a brand
new baby. The whole lot though came in. Huh. You
call me and be like, hey, you want to you
wanna and yeah, you want to invest on the Worst
Stress List. Uh, those are the kind of less I
like to invest because you get in low right, the

(01:15:20):
stock is low. Um, it's been successful, it's been successful. Um.
And my I have a partner and apparel partner in
New York that like executes the vision. Um. But I'm
not a person to just throw my name on something.
So like, I'm going to New York early in the

(01:15:41):
morning and we're brainstorming about a few pieces, and I
will hover over fabric for hours and hours and hours
tomorrow and I will I'm not a sketcher, but I
will like write out notes tonight, like all the time
about details and what I want to do. I really
love fashion and I always have and I love it's

(01:16:04):
an expression of the music in a deeper way to me,
and it's part of your personality. I mean, I love
that you guys are wearing those jump suits and stuff
because it it is y'all's personality. It's your personality, and
it is so identifiable it's like, you know, bam, you're
saying something and you know we're saying is the raging
as is the God's honest shirts. Like that band became

(01:16:26):
it should never become anything. It really shouldn't have because Ronnie,
I can't sing and we're not good, and you can sing.
I saw you no no no. So secondly, uh, people
would come out with It'll be like, what is this about?
Because the last thing I want to do is see
an actor get up and try to be an athlete
or an actor get up and try to be a singer.

(01:16:46):
I'm not trying to watch Eddie Murphy downloading your songs.
So I was like, okay, people are always all right,
prove me you suck, prove me wrong. I was like,
I don't want that. We're gonna put on stupid jump
suits and so you know, we walk out there, we
know we're not serious and you're gonna have fun and
that's it. Well, and I mean that's why you're selling
out places because people are having a big old party.
You know. That's the key to to Luke. That guy

(01:17:09):
knows his audience. You know your audience, He knows his audience.
He is so in touch. Church he knows his audience.
He goes out there and it's like he's you know,
it's like method acting. It's like not not that he's
an actor, but you know what I'm saying. He is
in tune with what his fans want to I get
it because I know what my listeners want, and I

(01:17:30):
try to give them exactly what they want because I
know what they want because I am them. It's the
weirdest thing. Sometimes I think we don't like, we don't give,
we're sometimes we get lost in our own art of
You're also four people, to be fair, with four different personalities,
very different and lives and influences. And so I mean

(01:17:55):
you're a mom, your mom. Yes, it's like your kids
famous to me. I see him on Instagram. I'm like,
your kid, your kid. If I saw him, be like,
holy crap, look your kid. You're a kid's famous to
me because I want to see him on Instagram. I
like picture it all the time. Jimmy's coaching basketball right now.
We have a double double game tonight. How does he
does he coach all the time. He's the coach, He's

(01:18:17):
the co coach of this league of basketball. Are you
guys able to have a somewhat normal neighborhood where people
do yeah yeah, yeah, we I mean, you know, school friends.
And Alija doesn't know that this is not normal. He
thinks getting on the bus and you know, is he
cool because of you guys, like is he popular? Because

(01:18:41):
I don't really have it. I don't know. I really
don't know. I do know that I almost cheered up
at the Predators game when Elijah didn't know it, but
he was sitting He knew he was sitting behind Keith
because he knows Keith from touring, but he was sitting
next to Mac Davis and he didn't know it. And
mac Davis is just one of the greatest songwriters ever.

(01:19:04):
And and when the Predators scored the whole, you know,
sweet erupted with joy, and Keith turned around and slapped
a logeah five and then mac Davis slapped a loge
of five, and I was like, my child does not
know that he is. He is literally slapping five with
two people that have so much musical influence on not

(01:19:28):
just me as a writer and a singer, but on
country music history. I mean Keith as a future Hall
of Famer. Mac just won the Icon Award we sang
in the ghetto. He wrote in the ghetto, I mean
so I got a little. I get teary eyed on
things like that, just because I think he someday he'll
understand it. Does he want to sing because his mom

(01:19:48):
and dad do. He more likes to dance, and he
credits Luke all the time that that's where the moves
come from. He's kind of a good dancer. He plays drums,
plays a little guitar. He sings, but he sings. He
I think he's going to be more into rap music,
just like his mom. He loves Michael Jackson and Bruno
mars like. He likes things that groove. So he's not

(01:20:08):
his into our ballads as he likes, like, you know,
the fast songs of the rock and songs. Well, I
think I see Kelsey Maron, you are the next. We
only have one left on the wall. These are I
have six pictures on the ball that I keep. I
don't pu anybody else up there. Those are like the
people there's are like, it's it's you guys, Kelsey and listen.

(01:20:28):
I'm working idea. I get all this crack, get crap
all time, all time. People send me crap there's black,
here's some crap. I don't keep any of it. I'm
so glad we made the wall. Those are like the
people that I really enjoy being around. And it's Kelsey,
you guys, Maren pass Ley, Jansen and Urban and Urban
is the only one that hasn't come in yet. I

(01:20:48):
haven't let him yet. This was never gonna be artists.
It was never gonna be where is it gonna bring
song writers in? And then Marin was the first artist
to go, can I please come on? And I was like, no,
how long we keep Marin off? Two months? And then
and then Dirk's nose, Kelsey and Jake Jake, Has Cam
done it? Because you and Cam are friends? No, Cam
hasn't done it yet. Cam our friends. But now has

(01:21:09):
Lindsay done it? Yeah? But it was different it was
when we first before. No, that was when we first
started dating. Huh, like we first started dating and so
she came on then? But yeah, anyway, I'm allowed to
have have you in? Did you have fun? Yes? I
hope I didn't bore you. No, if you'd bore me
out to change subjects? Now, listen, you are the genius

(01:21:31):
what you do and I do what I do, so
would you know, like, would would you be mad if
I had a radio show? No? Id? No? Just like
we were talking about no, like like Eddie Murphy, like
you wouldn't you know? And you were talking about becoming
singers and different like I like Chuck Wicks and Chuck's
over on the cumuluation and he's he's an artist. I

(01:21:51):
think that they're making them kind of play a character
over that there's really not But I like Chuck, and
I think, yeah, I don't you want to like here?
I like everybody should go out and just do the
best they can do, make what you can. I mean,
I don't want. I don't want to do your radio show.
But I think it's too hard. I think it's hard.
You don't sleep sleep. I'm on the road every weekend.
I do since January told him, well, I've been doing

(01:22:14):
stand up all weekend, but my clocks never I want
to come to a stand up show that we didn't.
I didn't want to tea back and but you'd be
on the road, well not as much this summer. Yeah,
I don't want. Have you never had Josh Wolf here?
Oh no, no, No, I know Josh, but never had
him here? You know who played, because I did you know.

(01:22:35):
Here's a funny story for you. So, um, first of all,
it's a Nashville show. I don't like to play Nashville shows.
I love my Nashville listeners. But everybody from all the
blogs and all the pain, they all want to come
out and see if you suck. It's not see if
you're good. They all want to come out and just
see if you suck because they've been seeing ticket sales,
they've been seeing Twitter posts, the fall theaters. Let's just
see if you suck. That's what everybody's thinking when they

(01:22:56):
come out, right. So I'm like, great, but I like
my Nationvillistas are amazing, but I just it's like I
don't want to deal with to see if you suckers, right,
So like what just I just want to do it.
So Ross Conferring comes out and he comes down and
Ross's friend he's been on and so Ross comes down
and he plays um the song that he wrote for
Chesney one of like yeah, the big pink Sunshine and

(01:23:22):
the pink Dumb what is it? Yeah? Other world Ifire
sings that and Carly Pierce, who I'm taking out with
me is my main act for the next for the
rest of the year. She's my she's my support. And
so she comes out and plays and who do I
who comes up? Who'd I bring up? Za Krawl? Okay?
So don Za karlis Okay, he's Sam. He produced uh

(01:23:44):
like wrote it like a background. Okay. I don't know
who he is. I had no idea who it was.
I don't I don't know that I've met Zach, but
I know his name. I don't nothink about him and
all of this. I'm doing this bit where I don't
want to run the bit but I juggle knives and
hump a face and stuff, right, and so I have
no ide who he is, but I'm humping his face basically,
and he doesn't know that blindfold on. Everybody's laughing, and

(01:24:04):
he goes back down to the sea. And I finished
show and I was like, Oh, that was a guy
pretty bind like a back road. And I was like, oh,
so he's coming in like three weeks. I I owe
it to him to come in. But yeah, he should
come out sometimes though I don't know because I didn't care.
It'll be your second fight. I didn't do the show.
Do you ever have any hecklers there had um no.

(01:24:27):
Two reasons. One, I do theaters. So the theaters are
usually between a thousand and depending on what town I'm in,
and they're in seats, and it's very everybody's you have
you their attention. Theaters are different thing. Yeah, no, it's
different for us too. It's so no because tickets aren't
super cheap. People are there to really like focus and

(01:24:49):
have in the crowd usually shut people up. If listen,
somebody starts yelling something in crowds like shut, they'll beat
him up. So I don't have to worry about that.
My people always have my back. You're ahead of fight
break up. Yes, I was in uh well, Boston, there
was a fighter Boston. They fought before I got in there.
But in in western Massachusetts, uh, someone stands up in

(01:25:12):
yells I'm gonna shoot you, and I'm like, oh, I
already had it. I've had like five ins dits right
where I think I'm gonna die already. And so I'm like, well,
so I just sit down behind the speaker because I
know the promoter is gonna not pay me if I
leave the stage, because there's sometimes promoters may not be
the nicest guys we would be looking for reasons and
not paying me. And so I was on a contract
not I was doing my hour set and all of

(01:25:32):
a sudden, it's a fist fight in the audience. There's
another fist fire below it, and I don't leave the
stage and I sit behind it and I just keep talking.
The cops came. It was the whole thing, and then
they get pulled everybody theater and I was like, so anyway,
they pulled everybody out of there. They pulled they was fighting,
They put took people to jail. It's amazing. But I
never left the stage and then I went back into
the act. Everybody was kind of but I've stopped to
show before what the fight? Oh yeah, because that'saw like

(01:25:55):
a guy like trying to hit a girl. And I
was like, oh no, no, no, no, like right in
the middle of a song. Is that before YouTube? Uh,
like before people started doing that on YouTube? Yeah? Maybe,
because I think that'd be put up all over the internet. Yeah,
you know what happens. It fights happen a lot drinking.
It's the drinking. It's the drinking. I mean, I would

(01:26:17):
think in a Nary Church show that it would be
like have a fight every nothing or every everywhere, you
would just whis area of the crowd would like to
look and see a fight. But and with Luke, we
would see them get really like really having a good time,
and some of them would get out of hand, you know,
but I don't like that. I want you to like,
come and have a good time for me because it's quiet,

(01:26:39):
and I don't go on until like to start, show
starts doors on the seven, show starts to day. My
first dad goes on. Then say Walker open for me
for six months, Carly wool now and then I'll come
on third right and do Sorry. By that point if
they're drinking, they've been drinking a lot and it's really quiet,
so you hear everything. But yeah, it's fine. I hope
you come something. I would love to come. Yeah, I come.

(01:27:00):
I not come to one of your shows sometime, okay,
and I'm wikipedia you before we do this. Here's the thing.
People don't realize that really you don't get to spend
a lot of time with people in this town because
when you're home, you're doing home stuff, and then when
it's time to do like people stuff, you're on the road. Yeah,
the only time or like the Monday, Tuesdays, Wednesdays sometimes. Yeah,

(01:27:21):
I'm glad you came by. Well, thank you for having
me and thanks for letting me do the voice. I
didn't let you to the voice. First of all, there
was not nothing I know, but you you were gracious
about it. There was nothing even gracious. You had to
go to the joy Wheeler Walker Jr. Do it. Yeah,
you know. I just met him at Liz Rose's album release.
He was like, yeah, yeah, he's crazy, Like I ain't

(01:27:46):
even gonna run. I think he follows me now on Instagram.
I was so honored. Yea, he's nice guy. Um, well,
thank you, thank you. I hope this therapy it was
awesome and I think like you go into Haiti and
surprising Amy was the sweetest thing I have seen anybody
doing a long time. That was she was about to
like she was losing it on the show. I'm a

(01:28:06):
little uncomfortable about it because not because of the subject,
but because she's done that like twenty times and I
did it once, and all of a sudden, people are like, Bobby,
you're the greatest, and I'm like that I know, but
that she's you're her friend. That's like a best friend going, Hey,
I wanted to go meet your kids. Yeah, that's a
best friend thing. Like we're not radio co host. I

(01:28:27):
can tell your best friend like that's like, yeah, you
wouldn't do it if you mean like, I don't you
think Mike d I crap out him. I'm just kidding
my deal. Let Mike says my intern like years and
years and years and years and years ago. That whole
shows my team from friends there. None of them are
radio people, thankfully. Lunchbox no Lunchbox for thirteen years. So

(01:28:48):
they were all on the Austin Show, the talk show.
Some of them were. Yeah, Amy and Lunchbox were Ray
was an intern, Morgan my executive producer, and I was
an intern. Mike was an intern like everybody was. Does
Ray really have bed bug bite s? I don't know
what he is on it? I don't I don't ask questions.
I saw the Instagram today. Well, we're gonna go appreciate

(01:29:09):
you're talking to us episode what's is my sixty six?
I feel like I've learned. Thank you for the trip
down memory lane. I'd really right. I mean that Karen's
something to that you should re explore that maybe alright,
we're gonna go. Thank you very much. Hand

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Amy Brown

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Eddie Garcia

Morgan Huelsman

Raymundo

Mike D

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