BobbyCast #68 with Kip Moore

Kip Moore stops by the house.  Kip talks about his new music and how it’s different than anything he’s ever done. Kip also talks about his a live shows, up and downs of his career and shares some ghost stories. Subscribe to the BobbyCast for more episodes!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. I want to hop on here
and tell you about the show I do from my
house called The Bobby Cast. It's a show where artists
and songwriters stopped by to talk for about an hour.
You can listen and subscribe on iTunes or I Heart Radio.
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new episode every week, sometimes more. I'm gonna play you
one now well kipt More. This is right before his

(00:21):
album Slow Heart came out. This episode, but there's so
many more up there you can check out. Just search
Bobby Cast wherever you listen to podcasts, I Heart Radio
or iTunes and click to subscribe. Here you go. Hi,
Welcome to episode sixty of The Bobby Cast and with
Kip Moore today. Good because you tune here showing up

(00:41):
here today. Can you talk about what you're doing today? Yeah,
I was doing this thing with UM with Chase Salia
when we've filmed last week where I was on the
on the track with him in Michigan and it's uh,
they've picked some athletes where they've they're kind of asking
how do they get ready for race? What music they
listened to? And he listens to my music so it's

(01:04):
that's pretty cool. It was cool man, Um, you know
I read in the chase. It's funny. I met him
probably a year and a half ago. Drake White and
I were playing a show and he was kind of uh,
he was announcing both of us, and so we got
to hang. Then I got to know him then, and
I didn't know that, you know, he was a fan
of the music back then, so we talked about it
back then, and uh, it was neat man, just seeing

(01:25):
his whole world, because I can admit that I'm not
like I didn't grow up with NASCAR. Really, I've seen
race it's probably like you have, but I don't know
the detail of it. So him bringing me, you know,
in the garage, showing how they build the cars up,
tear him down after almost every race, all the aerodynamics
that go into it, and then and then it was
kind of like me picking his brain on the way

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he likes to you know, you would think a NASCAR
driver I would want to listen to like really pumped
up music, but he's like, I like to get as
calm as I possibly can because the race is so long,
and it helps me kind of settling and knowing that
it's gonna be. You know, he likes really chilled out
music before he gets in a car. That's an interesting thing.
Who who's coming to you before and say hey, Which
was surprising to you, is that, man, I really love

(02:09):
your music where you're like, wow, that's cool, like you
like my music. Um Man, I can't think of the
top of my head right now. I know there's been
a few of those cases where any other artists, even
in town, that they will call you be like, dude,
I just heard the song of yours and it's fantastic. Um.
Jaren Johnston, I'm such a fan of what the collect

(02:30):
three do uh so much, and jar and I are
we've become pretty good buddies. But I can remember when
the first time he heard that was us. He's like,
if you don't put this song out, I'm gonna come
up with your house and fight you. Mar So, I mean,
he's just he was a big fan of that, and
then we ended up touring together after that, so um, yeah,
you know I didn't know that. You know, Jared was
around with in my music, so you know, it's it's

(02:51):
cool man, when other people that you respect respect what
you do. You're an interesting guy, and I think in
the past six months or so, we probably got to
know each other better than we have in the past
three and a half years before that. But we were talking.
We're you and I are up in a room at
our management office. We're talking about Bob Dylan. Yeah, and
you were talking and you were like, you know, I

(03:13):
still and I was listening to you because listen, I
like to listen. And you and you were talking, and
you're talking about Bob Dylan, and you were talking about
I used to study Bob Dylan lyrics, and I was like,
look at this guy, another layer of the onion. I
think kept more onion I did. Man, you know, I
feel like, um, I feel like Dylan somewhat kind of

(03:38):
saved me from myself. I can be um. I feel
like I'm I'm really coming out of that, but I UM,
I can battle a lot of my own demons pretty heavily.
And at the time when I really discovered dealon, I mean,
my dad played him something growing up. But you know,
when you're when you're fourteen and fifteen, you can't comprehend
what Dylan singing about and what can you relate to it?

(04:00):
You can enjoy the music and the melody, which I
did kind of the same thing with with Seeger and Springsteen,
but I can't relate to but Bob Seeger against the
Wind when I'm fourteen, you know. But um, the more,
you know, I left home when I was like seventeen,
and I went like seven hours away to go play school.
But you know, go to basket and play basketball away
from school. And and then I've been traveling ever since

(04:21):
and just living life and diving into stuff wide open.
And I've been on my own, taking care of myself.
And I can remember living and the biggest dump the
last time I went recently to drive by the place,
and I had yellow tape around the whole place. I guess,
I guess something like that I went down, But man,
it was awful. It was. It was awful, man. And uh,

(04:42):
just that feeling of which I'm sure you've had, that
where looking around at all your friends kind of on
the hamster wheel of life that sometimes I admire that
I wish I could, you know, be that way. The
people that just you know, they'll go work for the
dad's insturance company or whatever, and and they'll make a
good living. They'll you know, plant roots, you know, plant roots,

(05:04):
have a wife and kids, and and go through that
whole kind of structure that we're all kind of programmed
to due at a young age. And here I was
living in a complete ship hole. Am I allowed to
say that on this just feeling like the biggest low life.
But at the same time I had that exciting feeling

(05:28):
every morning I woke up that anything could happen where
I felt like everybody else they knew exactly what the
day was gonna be, and it was gonna be like
when they came home. There was an excitement of just
feeling like and they could light and constrike tomorrow. And
I think that when I really dove into dealing, and
around seven, I mean I would I would spend I

(05:49):
get off work and I'd write from from five to
twelve o'clock at night, and then I would lay on
the floor. I've always liked to lay on the floor.
I don't know why, but I had a record player
and I would listen to all the old deal in
records told three or four o'clock in the morning, and
I'd write. I'd write out his lyrics. I try to
understand the way he was using his metaphors and everything
and the playoff of words. He was the best to

(06:11):
playoff of words. And I was just blown away by
his music. I was so well. It was such an
aspiring time for me, and I felt like I really
related to a lot of what dealing was saying a
lot of music, and I feel like I've always had
that that passionate spirit about me, and I looked at
things in an innocent kind of way, which a lot

(06:32):
of his music was was. There was such an innocence
to it. There's that I have a lot of onion.
There's a lot of onion to talk about here. What
do you There's also the part that I found it
struck me is that you had a couple of hits
and you wouldn't got an apartment your first decently nice
place to live. It was my first place. It was decent,

(06:53):
but it wasn't good for your soul, so you had
to move out. Yeah, I felt like I found myself
all of a sudden. It's kind of like I thrive
on misery, misery in a weird way, but I found
myself comfortable for the first time in my life. Where
I was coming home, I was watching TV. I was
laying on the couch and eating good food and and

(07:17):
I and all of a sudden, I felt like I
was I was losing a little bit of that inspiration
in that drive, that kind of So I called Brett,
who is my publisher, HTT James, who's written a million hits.
And he Brett had bought this old house that was
built in the like mid eighteen hundreds. It's one of
the last remaining ones down there Music Road where they're
building all this stuff arounds behind Losers, that that one

(07:40):
old building with the black iron gate, and it's the spooky, ist,
erious dark. Everything about that place is not where you
want to live. But it's great for writing. And I've
written almost the entire up all night record in that house.
And there were there's a room upstairs. It's just this
It's awful. Man, that's a really tiny little box. Men,

(08:02):
it's a lot smaller than this room. And I called
him and said, hey, man, I want to move into
that room and I want to write my next record
in there, you know, in in in the house again,
you know. And so I moved all my stuff into
that room, was crammed in there, and I was I
slept on a on a twin bed for about for
about two years, and the hot water heater didn't work,
so I took cold showers every morning and that was

(08:23):
like thirty seconds in and out. So my when I
would go on the road, it was like heaven in
an arena, like a shower and arena. It was like
I got hot water, you know, so but I would
I wrote almost the whole Wild One's Record for the
most part. In that house. There was no furniture. There's
no um, and there's a there's a couple like random
like regular chairs and not chairs like this, and you've

(08:45):
got no TVs. It's all and it's crazy haunted. I
got haunted stories that would blow your mind, which finally
ran me out. And I got a place because it
was so scary at night, so you didn't want to
be comfortable. What do you think that comes from? What
are you think the root of that is? Hey? Do
you create better from sadness? I feel like I at

(09:08):
that time in my life, and I've learned how to
just channel a different side of me where I don't
I don't I don't quite need that as much, but
I still I live I live very very moderate on purpose,
like I have a tiny little house on the other
side of town, and um, I don't really have any things. Um.
I tried, but I felt like for me, it played

(09:31):
a trick on my mind where I still felt like
I was at the bottom where I feel like I
write better out of desperation. So it you know, taking
culturewers every morning, sleeping on that twin bed, which I hated. Man.
I had an old junk mattress. It was, it was,
it was awful, man. Uh, but it just it played
a trick on me to where I still felt like
I was completely broke and trying to go after something.

(09:53):
And I've kind of learned how that that I don't
need that as much now. Um. But I still like
when I travel, I like stay in hostels. Um. We
just did that whole backpacking through Ice and you know,
staying in the hostels, and um, I do that when
I go to MAUI sometimes Costa Rica. Um. And I'll
write a lot of music when I'm out there like that,
and I'll meet interesting people, and I don't you know,

(10:16):
it's almost get uncomfortable. Like I though I'm around from
in the fourth seasons, I'm uncomfortab around those people. They're fine,
they're nice, they're get I get uncomfortable around that kind
of setting, really fine dining and luxurious rooms, Like it's
a weird thing. Man for me, you talk about the
place being haunted. We've talked about this a bit, but
you're convinced, like it's not maybe it was a ghost

(10:39):
to you. It's not maybe there's no there's no there.
This is I'm probably about to get off on a
weird place here. Um, for me, it could have also
been I was. I was not in a good headspace
at all. Um, I wasn't. I wasn't a really weird
I've already written like a whole second project that pretty

(11:00):
much got shell of the label. They were like, we
don't have radio stuff here. This is too as you
this is to this, this is too And that's heartbreaking
is as a writer and artist and you turned something
in And I try to explain that to a lot
of people sometimes too. Where my old jobs there was
a beauty and just going to work, doing the job,
going home kind of having that mindless feel of Okay,

(11:22):
now I can devote this other part of my time
to a girlfriend or whatever kind of thing or family
or I was present when I would leave work and
you know, with this job, you're even yours, You're you're
constantly on judgment for everything. I don't I wouldn't trade
my job or anything, but it's your it's a constant
state of judgment. And Um, that was a hard thing

(11:44):
to turn in something I was so passionate about, which
I hope sees the life of day one day. Um.
But I was in a bad, bad place. And I've always,
um had a heart for God. And I'll say that openly,
like I've always been really connected with God, even even

(12:05):
when I'm not reading, even when I don't go to church,
I just always I know that God is always with me.
And I've usually been pretty good about reading scripture going
to church. And you know, I just go by myself
at night or going Tuesday nights or whatever. I'm sitting
in the back and I leave and I stay connected.
And at that time I was really I wasn't connected
at all. And it wasn't that I was out, you know,

(12:25):
doing blow all night and stuff like. It was just
I was I was completely separate, and I was in
a bad dark place. I could barely get out of bed.
I felt like a lot of mornings. Um, And uh,
maybe I was susceptible too, because I believe there's about
a good and evil all the time going on around
and maybe I was at that time of my life

(12:47):
really susceptible to that entity tricking with my mind. I
don't know, but I can tell you the stuff that
went down that house. I mean, it would be you know,
clear's day. I go down and get a drink of water,
and and the garbage disposal was underneath the sink. You
have to flip the switch, turn it on, and I
will be walking off on that thing with bag cut

(13:10):
back off. I turn around, I look and all the
hairs be up in my arm. And I walked back
off and would just go old house. That's what I
would say. If I be like old house, like, I
would look up underneath the switch is still off. I can,
I can. I got a million of those. There was
a there's a pantry and it used to have a
hole in the floor, and I'm the only one there.

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And I would at night, you know, late at night,
you know, I go in, maybe get get a snack
out of the pantry, and I look and the basement,
the basement was a spooky spacement. Ever, but the light
would be on underneath the pantry foollboard, and I'd be like,
I know I cut that off. I know that wasn't on.
I was in here last time, cut it off. Come
back this morning. Thing was on. You have to flip

(13:52):
the switch on the turn it off. I mean a
short if the if the switch is off, you're not
gonna get a short like it's not you know so.
But the kicker was I'd be laid in my bed
and it's happened about three times. And on the second time,
I told my manager said, hey, to me, a favorite
look from your place. And this happened as I really
settled into the house and was living there. I've been

(14:14):
writing songs there for four or five years and people
have had little stuff happened. But the minute it was
like I moved in there at all, kind of started
building up and it was almost like they were going like, oh, buddy,
you got dried, you got to get you know so.
But I can remember laying there in bed about three
and it always happened close to three o'clock. I remember

(14:35):
laying there and that my bed and I don't know
what grenades sound like. I got no clue, but it
would be like us being this room and it sounds
like somebody's just setting grenades off all through your house,
and it would sound like five people decided on the
count of three, we're gonna raise as much as hell
as we can, and every it sounded like. And I
was in a tiny room and it sounded like there
was a fist on every inch of the wall on

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all around me, just slamming and banging. And you can
imagine waking up to that feeling like the fear of
that first of all, feeling like someone's break into your house.
The second of all, this is a whole another bag,
to the point where my bed was physically shaken, like
there's like the house the foundation was almost shaken. My
bed was moving, and I wake up and I would
come to and it would last for three or four

(15:21):
seconds as I had woken up, and the fear behind
that man was just and I would try to just
I pray and be like, I'm not gonna let this
bother me. I'm good, and I eventually lay back down.
And it happened about three different times. I had a
broom from me to you, sweeping ten solid seconds to
where I just sat up, and I mean every hair

(15:41):
and I just kind of I know, I'm not hearing
a broom beside me right now, and I lay back down.
After it would stop, I lay back down and it
would start right back up. And I even like sat
up in my bed. I cut the lights on, and
I said at one point and said, hey, look clean
all you want. I said, this place he's cleaning. I'm

(16:02):
I'm good with you. You can clean all you want.
Not I laid back down, but I was scared to death.
But I was trying to get myself calm. But you know,
that might have been a whole another thing. Man, that
could have been I don't know. I mean, to me,
it was a ghost, but it could have also been
what I was talking about earlier. I'm not sure. I

(16:23):
still don't know what that was. So you moved. But
and that hasn't happened since. No, I mean, I've barely
been back in there since. I used to write in
there every single day, and I wrote this whole new record.
I didn't write one song in there, and that's kind
of gave me a sense of piece because I feel
like it's the best stuff I've done. But I felt
like I was confined to I love that wild one's record,

(16:44):
And like I said, I wrote almost everything in there.
But I've learned that I don't have to be living
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near you. All right, So here's something I learned from you.
I guess probably eight months or so, you and I
met for breakfast and you were singing in the morning.
I know that was a thing. Yeah, I was like,
why are you singing in the morning, You're like my

(18:13):
low end, it's best for my low end. No idea,
that was even the thing. So explain that to me
and to people who have no idea about the recording
process and vocals, you know. And once again that was
for me that that's kind of a thing for me
is and the first thing in the morning before I've

(18:34):
I've been talking a lot or singing because I sing
like all my own harmonies on this record two. So
you have to use a whole different You've got to
really stretch that high end. And once you've burned that
high end a whole lot, you know, you're singing for
an hour straight. That low ends just kind of it's
still there. I mean I was just I kind of
naturally have a deeper voice, but it's the width and
you can feel it on the mic, you can feel

(18:56):
it in the control room. The width that I have
in the morning is just different I have late at night.
Once I'll burn that out, and it's just that's just me,
just kind of learning from singing, you know, doing so
many demos throughout the years and being like, man, my
voice just in the morning, it feels like there's a
whole different width to it. And maybe that's become a

(19:17):
psychological thing too, but I just feel I feel really
strong getting the most width out of my voice in
the morning. Do you feel like you sing better in
the shower? I wonder if legitimately great singers feel like
they even sound better in the shower. I feel like
everybody sounds better, but you do, like you ever seen
the shower to go day? Because I do, and I'm
even from a good singer, but you're a really good singer,

(19:40):
do you sing it go? I'm even better in the shower.
I think I'm pretty incredible in the show out. It's
then's like it's like a natural reverb chamber. But then,
why don't we create. Why don't I go into their studios?
Why am I not like singing? It's some really good
studio that never a lot of a lot of recordings nowadays.

(20:01):
When you when you hear those old records, you hear
Freddie Mercury, and you hear these old guys, um, those
Guns and Roses records, all this stuff. Man, they were
all singing in these You listen to these Zeppelin records
that they're playing drums in this massive like stairwell where
it's all that verb, like it used to be tracked
a lot more that way. Um. Now everybody's trying to

(20:25):
compress and get this tight tight, you know, trying to
put pads all over these walls to lock everything in
where it's just really dry sound, and they like mixing
that way. It's just how times have kind of changed. Um.
But I like singing in the Verbie room, and I
you know, I there was a there was a little
bit doing this new record more than I ever have,

(20:45):
you know, having a little bit that natural verb in
the room. And Blackbird has got like the greatest reverb
chamber ever over there at that studio. But you don't
really want to sing leads in there. Because it's just
too boomy and then it just gets all washy. But
backgrounds are amazing in that room. Talking about that for
a second. That's interesting. So you'll sing leads in one place,
but backgrounds and another. Yeah, like if you want to

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get like a big you know, big gang vocals, all
that Death Leppard stuff that just sounds so massive on
all that like Hysteria record, and you know, I'll guarantee
you that was done in a massive reverb chamber. Um.
And I know, like for wild Ones with with lipstick,
you hey, when you're doing that this big haze. We

(21:27):
got around all got around one mic, all six of
us and did the big haze just because it just
kind of sounds like a swirling all around you. Where
you want your that lead vocal to you know, speak
right to you kind of thing. I still like having
old schoolbird want to leave vocal um, but for the
most part, you want that to be a little tighter
on this new record. I'll talk about that for a second,
because I think you went through this process a little

(21:49):
different than you have before. You did a lot more
of this yourself kind of and I've read the stuff,
but I've heard you talk about it too. So why
did you approach this record different than the last because
you recorded somebody with that telling anybody right? Um? First off,

(22:09):
you know, I did the first two records with Brett James,
who Man, I I take a bullet for Brett to more. Man.
I love that dude with all my heart and and
we're like brothers. Um. And he's amazing. Brett's such an
incredible songwriter, musician, singer, everything. UM. But I just I

(22:31):
felt like on this one, I had been writing these songs,
and I've been living with him so much, and we
we were great at co producing records together, but we
were we butt heads a lot. We would and I
mean I'd hear one party here another part, and I
felt like sometimes that took a little bit of a
strain on our friendship a little bit. Um. Brett's one

(22:53):
of the best friends I've ever had. UM. And I
just felt like going into this one, as far as
that part goes, I've been living with these song so much.
I've already been you know, I'll lay in my bunk
and I'll after I come with the guitar riff or
whatever that's kind of inspired me in that day, I'll
sing all the parts that I'm hearing like around that,
like I'll just start building the track vocally. I'll build

(23:15):
a whole track just singing wise, where I'm singing the
beat and then I'm layering like Okay, this is what
the baseline is gonna do, and I'll do all that
and I'll sing, Okay, this guitar part is gonna do
this on the second bar right here on on the
four chord, and I'll kind of sing all these different layers.
And I had it. Yeah. So it was one of

(23:39):
those things where I knew exactly what I wanted. I
knew exactly how I wanted to sound. Um, So when
I went in I didn't want anybody giving me pushback
on I knew what I wanted, and I knew I
wanted to go in there and sing a little bit um.
You know. I wanted to do some funky stuff that

(24:01):
I hadn't done before. And I believe so much in
the melodies of this record. Um, but I did. I
I kind of why I once had only been out
for a year. It really wasn't time to As far
as the country world goes, you know, it's it's still
that whole cycle of you make a record every two
or three years, which drives me crazy, drives me crazy,

(24:25):
drives me crazy. Um So, and I'm always writing, but
I kind of gathered this handful of songs that I
believed in a whole lot. Man, this is a really
cool thing and been kind of creating. Um So I
went in and uh, I just recorded like four or
five of them, and I went in like as a
you know, in like a record style, like I'm you know,

(24:47):
approaching it like a record and they came back and
I was just I was so happy with him, and
I just kind of went to see Brian right now
in our red and I said, man, I just I
want you to hear what I've been doing. You tell
me what you think. I've been recording some sides. And
I played him for him and he called me back
and he was just kind of flipping over and he
was like, I gotta go place for the label right now,

(25:09):
all right. So the next thing I know, I'm getting
a call a few days later and he's like, you
gotta go in and make a record. This is great,
we gotta get this stuff now. So for the next
eight or nine months, that's all I did. Every time
I got the road. I was recording right and trying
to finish that record over the last year. So you
do four or five songs. But then when you know

(25:29):
you're doing a record, does that change how are your
writing songs? Because at first it feels like you're writing
for you, you're creating for you, you don't know where
it's gonna go. Now you have a direction where you
know where's going to go. Does that change the creative
process in your head? I think before it might have. Um,
but I think I was in such a confident headspace

(25:49):
where I was going and I knew what I wanted
to do, and I knew what I wanted to say
that um yeah, I just I was more just kind
of like, all right, I'm I'm ready to go. I'm
ready to do this, and and I recorded only thirteen
are gonna make the record? And I probably wrote thirty
for this project, and uh recorded twenty one of them.

(26:12):
Because you just getting so close to the songs and
you're like okay, and then a lot of times you're
going into to track one and that's when you realize,
all right, this song is not quite as good as
I thought. And what tracking means is you have a
band played this song like, yeah, like comeing to scratch
over the top of it. Um. But I mean like
in tracking, a lot of the tracking idea, like a

(26:33):
lot of this record was just me and David Garcia
in his house and that was a very different process
for me too. Well, we just played all the instruments
and we just built it from the ground up in
his house. Um. I did a track with the band
on about it, um, and UM, you know I would
I would play the instruments on that too, and and
you know, get all the music down first and then

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I do the vocals after. Guitar man was the only
one where that's the main and when I can't wait
through the here. It was all on one take and
it happened really spontaneous where we had the full band
playing it, and when the take was over, it never
felt right to me. We'd probably played it five or
six times as a full band, and I was like, man,
something just not speaking right to me on this song.

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And we all took a break to step away from it,
and Tom Bukavac and Dave Cohen, we're just kind of
sitting there messing with each other, just the organ and
one guitar and I told I told him as I
acted like, I was just like, hey, start over, like
you're playing that from the top, just kind of mess
around with each other. And I hit record without him

(27:39):
even really knowing it, and I walked into the vocal
booth and sang it from the top down in one take.
And so that whole take that you hear on the
record is just all of us in one take. That's
so that's gonna be. That ended up being the song,
you know, and I think it's you know, I think
it's the most powerful track on the record. So um yeah,
So that some really cool organic stuff happened like that

(28:01):
on this record. And then that's not gonna make it.
You said you gotta cut songs. No, I've already. I've
got the records done. I got thirteen, like we I
just got my master copy yesterday. So that's exciting, right man.
It's do you like hearing? You like hearing yourself back? Yeah?
When you've worked that hard? Yeah, I mean you love hearing, Like, Uh,
I get weird if I go to a gym or

(28:22):
something and they assume just because I played country music, Oh,
get more than here. Let's put on a country playlist
that he's you know what, I feel weird doing that
field was are so you say you're going somewhere sometimes
I'll turn you one good. Like I guess I kind
of feel like an asshole, you know I do. I'm like,
I'm a freaking asshole in the gym right now. Plays

(28:44):
turn on country music, you know, like I'll get picked up,
you know, you get picked up from a venue and
they're like, Okay, let's turn on the country station. They
turn them. I'm like, hey, country music. It's not the
only thing I listened to. I played country music. But
but uh, but yeah, man, I mean like getting back
that master copy um and and riding around and here
and what you've worked at so hard and hear it

(29:04):
back and it's came out even better than you hope.
I mean, it's a it's and that's the and that's
the part where I wouldn't trade this job for nothing.
You know, It's like that feeling I'm one of the
few people on this planet. It gets to have that
exhilarating feeling man, of just like you've you stepped out,
you've put yourself for exposure to be completely bashed, man,

(29:27):
and just having that excitement of like this might be
this might be amazing, this might be lightning in a bottle,
that's the cool thing. It might tank. But when when
I was telling some of this other day, like, I
have such a sense of piece about me now because
it's like not that I didn't with while one, because
I made the record I wanted to make. But this one,

(29:48):
more than any project, I did the exact songs I
wanted to. There was no outside influence. I recorded them
exactly like I wanted to. The sounds were exactly like
I wanted to. I did this red Ord just like
I had it in my head, and I followed through
with it, and I stuck to my guns, and I'm okay,

(30:09):
if it feels like I can lay my head on
my pillow at night going, I did it exactly how
I wanted to. So if that, if that doesn't work,
I can sleep. I can live with that. But I
can't live with is, you know. I mean, I even
had people when I was I wasn't working at radio,
you know, And I understand it from the label side,
they won't, you know, they've seen this artists that all

(30:30):
of a sudden had this breakout record that okay, we're
gonna make some money off. It's all. It's all about money,
you know what I mean. It's a business, you know,
so we want to keep this train going. And then
all of a sudden, you got a couple of slip ups,
and it was like when they shelve that next record,
it was like everybody started sending me songs, and man,

(30:52):
I hated them, but I was smart enough to hear
him and go, that's a hit song. It's a hit song.
I know it, say hit. I could sing this, let's
be hit the more. But I couldn't. First off, I
couldn't stand on stage and sing that every night. I
don't believe it. Second of all, if it didn't work,
that's when I'm really going to freaking spiral downward. Like

(31:14):
I can't. I can't lay my head on my pillow
at night. So for me, it was like I politely,
you know, and I'm paraphrasing, but I can remember. I
wrote one of the people that labeled I'm really close with,
and he just you know, I don't know what his
reaction to it was. I never got a response, but
I didn't sent like seven or eight songs. You know,

(31:35):
we're all thinking you should cut one of these for
your next single, you know whatever. And I I said, look, guys,
I appreciate you'all trying to help me. I understand where
your heart's at. I know that y'all want the best
for this, and I want the best for this whole thing.
But if I said I'll quick playing music, I'll never
touch a guitar again if I have to recording of
these songs, it's not happening. Sin And that's what I sent,

(31:58):
And so no I ever wrote back to me. And
that's and that's when I and after that, you know,
I was still in the font for a while, but
it was it was a couple of months after that
when I really kind of picked myself back up and
started writing Slow Heart. What got you out of that?
What made you pick yourself back up? I think there's

(32:21):
a lot of things. I think that for me a
big thing kind of coming back. Um, whenever I'm connected
to my faith, whenever I'm just spending time in that,
I'm in a lot more peace. And it's the crazy
thing about that is I know that about myself, yet
I'll still push it aside. I'll push it aside for

(32:41):
months sometimes and then I'll get back into it, um,
and that's when I'm at the most piece. I think
there was a combination of that. I think that a
big thing happened to um day, you know, and I've
already written probably half of it when this happened, but
it was a whole another half. I was Dave Lapsley,

(33:02):
who's you know, one of the closest people to me
in my life. Was my guitar player since the day
that I moved here. I mean, he believed in me
from day one, and he was playing me for twelve
or thirteen years and he was I mean he was,
we were We were thick as thieves, and I just
shared everything with Dave and he went on all the
radio tour stuff and it was just me and him
and you know the bond you create doing that, trying
to get somewhere together. Um. And even before I had

(33:26):
a record deal, me and him were touring out of
my jeep for like three years. See A believed in
me a long time ago, and they were getting the
gigs every weekend. I was gone opening for Trace or
Billy or whatever. But you know the game, and there
was no money in it, so it's just me and
him and a Jeep not guaranteed a dime and having
a hustle, me selling one T shirt and the demo

(33:47):
that I wasn't supposed to sail back there and like
two or three songs and the people still show up
with those old demos and UM and him, you know,
I I tell him to go hustle and go make
friends and find us a place crashed tonight and he'd
find se. We we crashed on fans floors for two
or three years, every single show, after every show, and
I'd sell the merch and uh so I say all

(34:11):
that because he was like a brother to me. And UM,
back in like December, you know, at the end of
our tour, he said, you know, and he had been
obviously contemplates for a while, but his wife got offered
this really huge job for a for Apple, and um
they had to move to Minneapolis, and he was like, man,
she she really wants his job. You know, it's a

(34:32):
whole lot of money, and UM, you know we're gonna
do it. You know, that was like the biggest blow
for me. It was such a blow because when you
go through all of that and at the end of
the day, it all a lot of times comes down
the money had we been a big successful band by
the end, which we're you know, in that stage of

(34:55):
we're successful, but you're not making the kind of money
with the worries like that go away with family and
all that kind of stuff. And he's got a family
to take care of. And I felt so like responsible
for that, and it was just it was the most
it was. It was heartache for me. I mean I
I shed tears of the whole thing because I always
had this dream of us getting to this mountaintop together
and me and him standing on that and just being like, man,

(35:17):
look who we did, you know, and that's with all
my band, but you know he was with me first. Um,
So that's when I kind of went away. I went
out and surf for a month and and MAUI then
surf for a month Coast Rico and went to Iceland.
During all that time, man, I just I just finally
started letting go of all that burden of that man

(35:38):
and just kind of I was carrying all that weight
even before that, feeling like you gotta keep the whole
train movement, which I'm sure you do. Sometimes You've got
people are now that are employed because of the success
of your show, and you feel that responsibility of and
these people are counting on me to keep being creative
and keep this thing going, and you feel like a
failure when your songs aren't working. And even though our

(35:59):
show those we're doubling and tripling in size, it was
like everybody else's viewing it as it was a failure,
because people in Nashville are in such a bubble where
you think it's all about you know, it's just radio,
and if you're not working in radio, then well he
must not be working. Let's push him to the side,
and let's focus on this guy because he's got some
hits going on over here. And I felt all that,
you know, um, so I think it was a combination

(36:22):
of all that. And then as I I got out
there and I spent some time in prayer and I
was surfering, I was finding that piece, and I just
kind of I just came out on a different side,
and I was like, man, if you ever supposed to happen,
when he's gonna happen, this is all divine playing however
it's supposed to be. And all I can do is

(36:44):
wake up and be happy that I've been blessed with
this amazing life that I fought so hard to have,
and I don't know how long it's gonna last. You
don't know how long your thing's gonna last. And it
was just a sense of peace in that after I
really sat down and think about it. It's not my fault,
you know, of that the thing with Dave didn't work out,
and letting go of all that garbage, and man, when

(37:05):
I came out on the other side, on the other side,
man that the music. I started showing. The music, the
melodies started showing in this sense of even the song
like Bittersweet Company, that's such a heart wrenching lyric. It
was like these amazing, happy melodies on top of which
was the Jukes of Motown, which was I love about Motown.
But um, just when you hear this record, man, you

(37:26):
can sense it. There's a better place mentally that I
got to the as much as I love Wild Ones,
where I was when I created Wild Ones. You talk
about a mountaintop, What is your mountain top? I don't think.
I don't think that That's another thing Bobby. For me
for so long it was happiness was Man, when we're
finally headlining that big arena and we're finally playing that stadium,

(37:48):
and and I just I see it completely different now,
you know. Some other day was asked me, you know,
what are your goals for two thousand and eighteen, And
when I said I don't have any, they looked at
me like I was crazy. That doesn't mean that I'm
not ambitious, doesn't mean that I don't want to be
the you know, be great at what I do. Doesn't
mean that I still don't want to sell out stadiums
and do that whole thing. But my my goal is

(38:12):
to canntinue to make music and hopefully people show up
and want to sing it, you know, and and to
be on the stage with my best friends play and
just to hope to that's my goal. That's my Now,
I'm I find myself being so much more present, living
in the moment as far as this year is gone
with shows. It's like there's a there's a happiness because

(38:34):
I'm I was always thinking about, oh god it, well,
this has happening. I gotta I gotta try to fix this.
Now we're not gonna get to this next spot. And
I was always thinking ahead, which caused me to be
a complete wreck as a human being. Um, and now
it's and I still have that thing of I'm I'm
always strategically Okay, we gotta focus on this and we

(38:55):
gotta you know, I'm I'm still that guy, but I'm
letting go of the stuff that I can't control. I'm
enjoying the moments that are meant to be enjoyed. So
I think that's been the biggest change for me. And
I don't see a mountaintop anymore. It's it's. Man, that'd
be awesome if we were able to play that stadium,
but it's badass if we're headline in the theater to

(39:15):
all right too, and we got three thousand people singing
along like so um, My mindsets changed in that sense
for sure. Talk about your live shows for a second,
because you put a lot of work. I mean, you
take the live shows seriously, you pay, have a lot
of tension to the crowd, probably more than you should. Yeah,
I mean I think I think to your detriment sometimes
for sure, for sure. And that's another thing that I'm learning.

(39:38):
I've gotten better at that, man, Like I'm I'm starting
to really you know, even after our conversation, you know,
I thought about the Steve Martin thing that you were
telling me about last time. You know, I had a
couple of shows here recently, man was I mean it
was just insanity, insanity the shows And I saw a
couple of despondent faces that usually would have I would
have been like, so why can't why why are they

(39:59):
enjoying themselves? They might be enjoying the self, they enjoying
them selves in a different way. But I was quickly
able to be like, let's keep playing like I you know,
just and it was it felt good to be that way. Um,
but I do man, I take I take it serious.
I've never missed a sound check my whole career. I've
never missed a sound check. Um, I'm super I'm I'm

(40:24):
super locked in when the show's even going on while
I'm entertaining. And the next day I'll be like, hey,
you know, brod are you You didn't You didn't You
didn't play the five chord on the on the fourth
bar of the course last night, the second course, you
know whatever, you come look at me and be like, yeah,
I did No, you didn't. You missed it. You missed

(40:44):
a note and you were flat on the bend on
the opening your lipstick. I wasn't, Yeah you were. Uh
you know, Dusty played the I'll record all the shows
and we played the board back and well listen, I'll
be right there and I'll go all right, you know,
I got you, And they'll be like, he were you
paying attention to that? And I'm like, so, I'm super
hyper focused with stuff like that, because man, I just

(41:09):
I think about being a great band. The bands and
inspired me. Man I just how amazingly locked in they
were on stage. And I also think about so many
of these people. That's why I never I've seen through
strep throat a million times I've gotten early on my career,

(41:29):
I was always sick from all the travel and I
wasn't sleep and I was always sick. You know, I
won't canceled shows. I'm sure I'll probably they'll they will
come a time when I just physically can't do them
one day. But I try to see him through everything.
Um I these people, you know, some of them are
making minimum ways and they've been saving up for this show.
They've been saving for months and looking forward to this show.

(41:51):
And I can't just go out and go through the motions. Man,
I gotta give them everything we got. And that's the
only reason that during that law, because radio is so
huge for any artists. Any artist's line when they say
they don't want to be played on the radio and
something like all the big guns, Tom Petty Merle Haggard

(42:12):
was like, I'm just dying for one more hit, you know,
towards anything. Everybody wants to be heard by the masses.
You know what I mean. I mean that's you want
your songs to be heard. Doesn't mean that you're setting
out if you get heard by the masses. That's there's
been so many of our favorite songs we've sing along
with our whole life. They weren't sell out songs. They
were just amazing songs. And you're always willing to write

(42:32):
that amazing song like a song like guitar Man, and
you're hoping that it gets heard by your fan base, yes,
but you're hoping that it gets heard by millions of
others that never had a chance to hear your music.
You know, that's a special thing. Righting down the road
and hearing your song on the radio. Man's that's a
powerful thing. Um So I can't remember what the hell
we were talking about. Oh yeah, So for me, it's

(42:55):
just like, you know, I just look at it, like
the way we poured ourselves and the way we were
so attended to detail and trying to give every ounce
of ourselves every night during those you know, up until
kind of running for you, but more with this song
is kind of this song is kind of the first

(43:16):
time that I'm really having some momentum since Pretty Girl.
But our fan base has tripled in size through this
lull where a lot of people the minute that radio
has gone, artists is dead in the water. And that's
just a fact. Um. But we I think because we've
prided ourselves so much on that live show and staying

(43:38):
authentic to ourselves that we've we've been able to thrive
during this downtime. Let me play this new song here,
so right now when you hear this, you hear this
a year from now, and this won't be the new song,
but right now, more girls like you. So God name
and what part of the process did you record this song?

(43:58):
I recorded this uh back in December early December. Um
that was that was Josh Miller um singing a piece
of that course a line from that course. Um he

(44:21):
he said, Uh. All he had was want to reach
for a proud of stuff, set it on a ring,
put it on your hand, and that was kind of
all we had. And then it was like we had
the melody, but that was kind of the only line,
and then I just kind of went straight into that,
and then I started playing that acoustic riff that you're
here in the beginning, and then the melody. I immediately

(44:42):
was like, you know, I haven't living I go out
old Mustang Montana Fields and I was just kind of
singing about my life. And we didn't quite know where
the song was going at that time, but I could
tell by the line he said, you know I want
to reach for the bight of star and sell in
the ring. Well, all right, well we're talking about, you know,
finding that right person. So then it was me talking

(45:03):
about my life in that opening verse, and uh, I've
been living like a wild on Montona Fields. Might earn
me a bad ritation and never stopped these wheels, And
that was just kind of like, you know, I might
have heard the grumbles of different things about the way
I live or whatever, but it was like, you know,
I just keep going on about it. But I was
trying to find a way in an interesting way to
get to what he was saying. And then we just

(45:24):
we started flying with that, me and Josh and David
Garcia and Steven Lee Olsen. May I listen to that
song the first line again, I've been living like a
wild old Mustang out of Montana fields. Might earn me
a bad reputation, but never stopped these weeks from rolling
and going too far, from from going and rolling too far,

(45:47):
running and gunning a little too hard, so unrained, so untamed.
I was just picturing, and I had the image in
my head I was pictured. Montana is one of my
favorite places. I just I love the people of Montana
so much. I love being out there. And I was
just picturing this wide open range in my head that
I've seen as we've passed through Monte on the bus,
and picture in this wild horse that you can't quite

(46:10):
And that was the image. And I'll ride around. Image
is a whole lot. I'll get an image in my
head and then I'll ride around how that pertains to
my life and that So that was in my head
as I sped out that first set of verses. Is
that you you feel like that you like that verse? Man?
I mean it's I know that I've been aloof and
hard to rain in. I know it many times. I've

(46:30):
I've had a lot of people that I've really you know,
you know, not a lot. I don't even know why. Hell,
I just said a lot. I've I've gotten close to
a couple of people and in my journey along this
whole thing, And I know that I've I've been tough
to rain in. Like I know that about myself. I've
been so just trying to go after this thing so

(46:51):
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one second, Bob, and he's the bathroom, all right, Kith
was gonna go to the bathroom, go to my bathroom. Yeah,
we're gonna keep it. We're gonna keep rolling. So you
just go for it. The rule of this is we

(48:15):
don't stop the tape and we don't edit. So I
believe this is the first time ever that anyone has
had to go to the bathroom. I think Jaco and
had to go, but he didn't say they held it
the whole time. That's funny. So he happens in my
bathroom minute ago. And he walked and he was like,
I also am a single man because there's just it's
just so I like temperary glasses in there, because I

(48:38):
have a bunch of different kind of glasses. And he
was like, yeah, I get it, I get it. And
I was like, you're the actually the first person that's
ever because I didn't mean my bathroom doorp with Cole
here the other day my bedroom door. And my bedroom
is right next to this studio, and we have a
bathroom that's actually in the studio, but it's like a
toilet and there's no soap, and there's like back to

(49:00):
the books, it's kind of a storage room with a toilet.
And so anyway, keeps in my bathroom right now. And here,
let's hear that little song from kit more. Here. Let's
see how about something by a truck. Here we go
the girl and a red sun dress or another kids

(49:23):
and there we go, he's coming back it's a beautiful
they come out you guys. Yeah, like that bathroom messy
huh it is? I told you I'm a single dude,
and it looks like mine. I can't I can't hate

(49:43):
on you that. But you got a record player just
like mine in there. It's a good record player, man,
I love that freaking thing. I got two of those
in my house, like one upstairs and one down. What's uh?
What do you? Let's say you go home tonight. What
are you gonna put on right now? I have got
a Dann Vogelberg album on the right now. But I
had a James Taylor on the night before. UM had

(50:04):
an old deal dealing record. Um. Yeah, A tough day.
You tell me what song you put on? Yeah, a
tough day. It's a tough day. Uh. Stolen car Bruce
springstey Man because that song just rips your heart out,
That's what it does. Song just completely and I like
to a lot of people it's funny, man, Like I'll
meet people who like, you know, whenever they're broken hearted

(50:28):
or wherever they're going through a bad time. I don't
want to listen to anything you know, sad like I
just I want to get my you know, I like
tapping into that part of my soul. I don't. I
don't try to run from it. Like I like tapping
into it and getting it out there. Stolen car right

(50:55):
from the river Verret. It's so honest. The song is
so honest. Man. It's we got married and we swore
we never part, but a little by a little, you know.
It's it's He's sorrows him and any Lennox and uh,

(51:20):
Patty Griffin. I think he sings sorrow better than anybody
than into that. Man. That's interesting to say singing sorrow
because when I think of singing sorrow, I think of
Michael Stipe. Do you think of who Michael Stipe from
R m oh Man? I think I think about sorrow singers.
That's the That's the interesting concept. Sorry, Like who are
the best singing sorrow? So well? Man, um uh, what's

(51:43):
the song I'm thinking about? Man? That's um oh gosh.
In that movie Love Actually um when she finds out
finally finds out that he's that that he's having an
affair with the young girl at the office, and there's
that song that's I know the artists and I'm all
of a sudden I'm I have the soundtrack of did

(52:04):
oh Johnny Mitchell, that's who sings that. Yeah, I mean
both sides. Now, it's this song incredible lyric. If this
song doesn't move you and there's something wrong, like with
your soul, there's something missing. And this rolls and flos

(52:33):
of angel hair, a nice cream castles in it and
feather canyons everywhere. Book with clouds that way, but now

(52:57):
they only block the song. You can hear emotion. She's
talk about a clouds being these beautiful things and now
how I look at him after heartbreak? They only block
the sun, you know, they bring the rain. It's like,
what a amazing way to write about that topic. And
that's how she does the whole song. Man. I just

(53:19):
I like to tap in the that stuff when I'm
feeling that way. I mean, she's things sorrow, the best,
simply the best. You're interesting guy to me because you've
done a lot of different things, and you mentioned earlier
you have basketball scholarship. You're a good athlete as a kid,
So you want to play ball. I'm assuming you play golf.
You're guard? Yeah, man I was. I was a point

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guard and yeah, man I I still have that trash
talking to me when I go play. Did you love it? Yeah?
I loved it. I didn't love golf. I played golf
because I looked up to my dad's so much. Um
he was an amazing man that he was tough. He
was really tough growing up. Um. I have so much

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appreciation for him in so many unique ways now. And
as he got older, he softened, and as we got
older we learned how to handle him too. But growing
up as a kid, he was the single most blunt
human being ever met. He's a dying breed. I mean
he would shoot you so straight, and he would talk
to a six year old the same way he would
a thirty year old. There was no difference. And he

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didn't know how to sugarcoat stuff. Um, So that was
really tough. As a kid. I could score thirty five
in a game and come home and I would only
hear about the mistakes that I made. And he was
an incredible athlete. He was a three sport, you know,
college athlete. He was pro golfer. My granddad was a progolfer.
My great granddad was a progolfer. I never played golf.

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I never had any desire to, and He never pushed
me to play. He never tried to put a club
in my hand. My middle brother was an All American
at golf um, and I had only like, you know,
able in it when I was a kid. If I
went out there to beat the golf course with him,
and you know, the little you know, it's a little,
tiny little club in our little hometown, and and uh,

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you know, I might go out there and riding three
wheeow with him, and while he picked up balls, I
might hit a couple. But I never actually played until
I quit baseball in my junior year and I was
just waiting on basketball season. So it was my junior
kind of going into my junior summer in my senior
years about to start, and I was like, you know,
I had a couple of fans on the golf teams,

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like men. I was just gonna go hang out with
the d the day, gon hit a few balls, go
see my dad out there. And I was like, I'm
gonna just I'm gonna see if I can play this
game kind of thing when I'm waiting on basketball season
to start. And I remember being on the range and
hitting and he came up behind me and he always
made me nervous because I was always trying to make
him be proud, and that still translate that translator over

(55:50):
the music big time. Um. But I can remember him
standing beside me, behind me. He didn't say a word
like five minutes, and I was like, what does her thing?
Was he do? And making me nervous? And I was
kept hitting balls and he finally kind of walked up
beside me and looked at me. And he was an
intimidating guy too. He's a big, just stacked dude, and
he he looked at me and he so I was damn.

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He said, your swing was ship when you were a
little kid. I don't know what's happened, but you have
one of them, you know, the most perfect plane and
swings that I've seen. And it was I couldn't believe
I was getting a compliment like that from me. So
I became a maniac all of a sudden. That's all
I did. Next morning, I was out there at seven am,
and I was there until dark, hitting balls all day.

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And in one summer, you know, I basically was playing
for four months and by the end of that summer,
I was shooting the sixties. This was a maniac with it,
and he was just always like he come out there
when I was hitting. He was like, man, you keep
doing this, You're gonna be something in this game. Like
you you can play. So it just was all of
a sudden, I wasn't even think about that. But I
never loved the game. Was just I could play. I

(57:01):
could really play. So it's a horrible putter, but uh,
and he would boy, he would shoot you straight with that. Um.
But um. But I still took my basketball shop ship
and I wanted to do that for a while, and
then I eventually just I wanted to see what I
could do in that game. And I wanted to do
it because he was always talking about when I go

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home any if you know, and you know, if you're
going out and play with the golf team, and if
you got to any ball. He was excited about how
good I was. So I found myself just being like
just a psychopath with practice, and I quit basketball and
I put all my focus on that for like two
or three years, and then when that was done, I
just completely quit. I never really played anymore. I just

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kind of stopped every now and then, like you know,
I'll talk a little trash to Jaco or somebody and
be like, man, you can't play. I got there and play.
I you know, I don't know. I've never played with Jake,
but I teased with him. I went and did this
thing for lady a couple of years ago, and he

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was he was chipping around. You know, Jake's just dressed
at the dime, you know, he he he looks the
fart out there. And I saw him chipping, and I
was just trying to mess him. I was like, man,
you've got a little hitch in your back swing right there.
You're not quite on plane either, really, you know, am
I not taking the back far? I could get this
guy's head quick right here. Man, I could destroy him

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just in the middle game. But he had a good swing.
Jake had a good swing. Colt, I've heard, I've held
I've heard Coults a real baller, and I could, you know.
And me and Colt were actually we both we love Jake,
and we we were both kind of teasing with Jake.
You know. Colt was kind of, you know, being like, oh, man,
I'll take Jake's money. Man, when it comes out of money,
he can't, he can't get it done. So but I've heard.

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You know, Colt played on nationwide tour and that's you
gotta be a player to play on that. I mean,
there's some really good players out there. What are you
trying to stay with your music now? Like, what are
you trying to say with your music? Yeah, I don't
have like a you know, people ask me what is
your sound and what are you like? I don't have

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a specific thing that I'm trying to say. I'm just
always trying to be authentic in my emotions and transparent
with the the place that I'm at at that time
of my life. And we get pressed all the time.
We gotta send you gotta sing to the younger females.

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I was the one to buy other records, and I've
always just been like, man, horseship man, I'm not doing that.
I can get up there and try to make the
same record over and over just so I can. Man,
I've seen what we've been building in an authentic fashion,
and I believe it's because I have stayed true to myself,

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and I think that people are smart enough to see that.
And I'll never make the same record twice like I'll
keep I want to. I want this record to the
stage of where I'm at my life right now, and
you'll see that in the songs, you know. Um, And
I'm not gonna try to stay relevant just by reaching
that younger demographic, like I'm gonna I want my audience

(01:00:12):
to grow with me in life as I'm growing. And
there's not a specific thing I'm trying to say. It's
just happening too, certain things like you know, like like
more girls like you. That was a very honest depiction
of where I was at kind of in that week
in my my my thought process, you know. With just
I remember I was watching a dad with his daughter

(01:00:39):
out in the ocean, like a three weeks before I
wrote that song, and and trying to teach her out
to surf, and he couldn't serve himself and he was
probably not teaching the right things. And she's been trying
for two hours and couldn't get up, and so I
paddled over to her, and she was probably nine ten
years old, and uh, and I just sat out there

(01:01:00):
with her for like forty five minutes and told her
how to surf, and with within this forty five minutes,
she was getting every time she was riding at great
and she was so excited, and it just it just
where that door has always been shut, I find, I
find myself And it's not a maturing thing. It's just
that my life has changed and I'm seeing things differently now.
So it was just kind of I felt myself internally

(01:01:24):
a lot more open to that balance in my life.
And I don't need to be such a maniac with
just the music because there's so much more. And I
look forward and I look forward to that. I look
forward to having a little girl and having you know,
a wife and I'm crazy about you know, one day,
and and have a place here and write songs, but

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also have that place over there in Molly when we
can go hang out and stay and I can teach
them both how to surf and hang out. Like I
look forward to that. So, I mean, that's just where
my head was at day. So that's what I wrote about.
If my head is there in that place, I ain't
gonna write about some bullshit about you know, just going

(01:02:05):
party and or whatever you know that I'm not. I'm not,
you know, gonna do that just to hopefully have a
radio hit that relates to these people over here. Like
I'm gonna write what's what I'm feeling at that time.
I feel like you got a lot to say. I
feel like we can talk like three hours here too.
We already talked for over hour. Does it feel like
that really? Oh? Yeah, over our like our minutes. I

(01:02:28):
thought we've been here for like thirty minutes. I didn't.
You don't even realize it. I'll be charging for the
therapy bill. You're You're good at it, man, Like you
know a lot of times we have to do interviews
where it's, first of all, it's not even a conversation,
doesn't I just reading cut cards and points and it's yeah, man,
I mean like this is I can do this. Man.

(01:02:49):
To be fair, I have the benefit of one knowing
you better. Now. I don't need any pint, any paper,
I have nothing. I'm done in front of me. Um.
It's easier, easier when you know what's going and I
don't even know, like I don't even I feel like
I learned a lot about you in the last how
so I appreciate the time and I can't wait. I
can wait with the record to come out, Like there
are songs I've never ever heard before you're talking about,

(01:03:11):
like let me take that car. Yeah, Kevin, I went
right the other day. Man, I've been talking about that. Man,
I just I've never felt anything like that. Dude, that
was insane. I just didn't know what car could do that. Yeah,
my car goes fast. I appreciate that. White Episodes is
Mike sixty eight. So record comes out because there was

(01:03:31):
a debate, there were there were two dates went up September.
September eight, record comes out because past the Tember you
can check it out. Guitar man, as I'm looking forward
to hearing. I'm not even gonna hear it till the
record comes out. Like I don't listen to music early
because I like to listen to a lot people here
for the first time. So I'll be waiting for September eight.
Unless that's one of the bonus tracks. They'll be vinyl,
so you'll have to like spend take a night, man,

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and pop it on your vinyl player. I appreciate the talk,
A good one, all right, keep more episode sixty eight
sixty that's Bobby Cats. Thank you very much, and we'll
see you next time.