April 2, 2025 • 51 mins
Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel welcome Matt Stell to the studio as the trio recalls some mistaken identity at Super Bowl with the two Matts being mistaken for one another. Matt grew up playing sports and looks back at a high school matchup against LeBron James, which he has proof on VHS tape! Matt talks about being 'in the zone' does exist, as does the opposite groove. Bobby highlights the similarities between being an artist and an athlete. Matt Stell explains how success between sports and music is different. Does it bother Matt how much he's known for replacing Tom Brady with the Patriots? On the way out, Matt asks about a recent pickleball invite from Bobby.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We Got lots just say, we got lots to say?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What a bator here and we folk you say because
we got lost? Just say, yeah, we got lost. Just
say here's Bobby That.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome to another episode of Lots to Say.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am Bobby Bones. He is Matt Castle.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We're gonna get right to our chat with country superstar
Matt Stell in studio.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Some quick notes.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We got two matts here, which is confusing, and you'll
hear us talk about some of these. He's got multiple
number one songs. Prayed for you. He grew up in Arkansas,
played basketball, played college basketball in high school. We played
against Lebron James twice, which he has a wild story about.
You hear us talk about that, and you can follow
him at Matt Stell Music. Awesome musician, great dude. Go
(01:12):
stream his stuff and ope you enjoy the.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Chat here he is.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
It's me, Matt Castle and Matt Stella. Our guest and
studio is country music superstar Matt Stell, with hits such
as I Wonder if I could sing them?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Sing them? Well? You won't. I will, but I don't know.
Will you do it? I will, but I don't know him.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It's not even that I know. I will not do
them justice first of all. But when I try to
sing the songs back to back, I can't. My melodies
get all lost like it gets now. It's not true too,
Like I'm prayed for you never single day, never knew
your name, but that's the name I called.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I prayed for you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Words probably not accurate, but the melody was kind of there. Yeah,
all right, what are the wording?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Every single day before I knew your name, I couldn't
see your face, but it prayed for you.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, your face, your face and then uh.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I've been down to London and South Beach, Mississippi and
all the.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Way Battle Beach, London, Mississippi. Yeah, everywhere, but on that's.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, that's that's like reasonably you've heard the song before.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I know, no, I just sang.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm not lyrics guy, I'm melody guy. So I'm knowing
know if any of the lyrics were right where any
of those what are the words?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's pretty close. We're just some different cities. I've been
ware of those. Savannah along Beach I said, London to
South Beach.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, I said. It was like, I'm a little flattered
that you because I know you're not a words guy. Yeah,
you're in the ballpark though, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
All that matters.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, and then how about that ain't Me No I'm
losing my melodies on that ain't Me no More.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's where I get in trouble, dude, the melody that
ain't Me no More? And then breaking it, break breaking it. Yeah,
it's because you didn't play this one enough. I don't
play anything, break it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But Matt has a bunch of songs anyway. I mean,
Matt is also an athlete, a former athlete, but still
an air quotes athlete. And so I'm gonna tell my
favorite recent story of my two favorite Mats is that
we all were at the Super Bowl. We weren't together,
but we were together, but we were together at different times,
and roughly it was like, Hey, if we have time,
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we'll place, we'll play golf, and Stelle was like, I'll
set it up. And turns out Matt Castle and I
had way more work than we thought we would. We
were very busy, and Matt as much friend. Matt oh,
I got two Matts. This is crazy. Mind's blown right now?
Still okay, Stelley Castle. And so Castle's got all his
NFL buddies hanging out with Matt Stelle's got all his
music people he's hanging out with. I got food poisoning
(03:56):
because my bathtubs full of like grime or something. So
I'm doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Knows that sandwich shop, Oh that too, I got you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And so they had set up just in case of
tea time, and and there ends up being a picture
of a of a person that was working at the
golf course and it's like it was so cool to
have Matt Castle stop and play golf that the problem
was it wasn't Matt Castle, it was Matt Stell. Yeah, yeah,
that's pretty funny. Did she think to you you were
Matt Castle?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I I don't know, Like, I don't know the the
they were.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
They're super nice folks.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
They just uh probably looked at the t sheet from
what it was gonna be and just assumed that, like
I mean, you know, if you squint from far away,
you know, you could mix the two of us.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Up if you're tall if Yeah, and also and they
were not they were uh not.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They were immigrants, so they probably think white people look
the same, which I get we and we do kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You know, that's why I wear glasses. I'm so generic
white guy that I put big glasses on so people.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It was one of the best complements of my life
to be called Matt Castle. It was on the Facebook
page I left all out for a day. I saw it.
It was so funny. I was like, I mean I
had sent it to you first, like how did you play?
But how'd you play? Like?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I shot the course, you shot eighty one. You shot
eighty one at Latour Golf Club down in uh uh
Lafouche Parish, Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All day, every day, baby, all day every day. That
was a fun memory.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I know, since I know Matt Stell pretty well,
you have to tell him, like we've never heard it
your Lebron James story.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh man, yeah, so he's a basketball player, college basketball player.
Oh I know that, Okay, yeah yeah. I used to
get a bucket and I used to think that. I
was like, you know, I had hoop dreams, man, you know,
like like everybody, and then uh man, my senior year
of high school, I went up to play with the
team in Akron, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Uh, just to play one tournament with.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Him, and we played against Lebron James and we honestly
we went like it's AU tournaments or a round robin tournament,
so you play your first games and then you get
seated for the tournament. And we won the first game.
Actually Lebron had like probably eighteen and ten or whatever.
But then we've we've matched up again against him in
the finals of that and he had like forty five
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and twenty forty something like. It was like he had
whatever numbers were available were the ones that he achieved.
Like it was his usage was high and his efficiency
was high. And uh yeah, man, between him and then
Joe Johnson, when I was after I was at college,
coming back and playing in a pro M league, That's
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when I found my ceiling. Like I knew very I
knew very soon, Like it was very apparent that my
dreams were outpacing my ability.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And you saw them and that created your ceiling. They
built your ceiling for you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean, and at the time with Lebron, you know,
I'm coming in thinking, Okay, I got some time, you know,
to grow three inches and gain forty pounds and but
with with Joe Johnson, Wavy Joe one of my favorite athletes,
one of the smoothest games that ever was. And he
gave that smooth ass game to me in the dunbar
and Little Rock and he just comes out and absolutely
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just like is better at everything and bigger and faster
and it's just a level. And I was just like, Okay, well,
this is my dreams died today. But that's all right,
I'll play. I can play guitar.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, so Lebron goes crazy. You played Lebron, the story
gets a bit better.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And what's cool is you got to watch it, right, Yeah,
you competed against Lebron. No, and you have it. You
have that your whole life. Yeah to watch?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and and but oh yeah right, so I have,
like you know, it taped all the games. So I
had this tape and I brought it home and like
you know, on the first game, the finals were tape.
But like that first game that we played and like
we won, and like I had like like six point whatever,
and but I had a nice little like lay up
in the lane where I kind of not so much
got around it but made a good cut and made
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a layup and he like tried to blocket missing. I
made the layup, and you know, it's like that was
just still probably the highlight of my you know, athletic career.
But then I got back and I don't know what happened,
but uh, you know, at the time, that was a
VHS tape and at the time, you know, somebody, I
think my dad had just gotten like a Prime Star
satellite or something, and like if they ordered a movie,
(08:26):
they were recording that movie so that it could be enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And I think it got recorded over. His entire game
versus Lebron James got recorded over.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, that's old school VHS, right, put it in the recorder.
You're trying to record, you don't know what's on it,
and all of a sudden you're like, wait, yeah, that's
a memory that I wanted.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And what's wild is like Mom, the other has probably
been about a year ago, but she found the VHS.
I have it at my house and I went and
I was gonna, like I want to see it, but
like no one has a VCR, and.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I win, is that why you text me buy a VCR?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, So because I have the tape and like I
can't remember. I remember it being taped over, but I
don't remember like verifying. I think maybe that was I
just want to see what, at least what movie Pelican brief.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You know, saying that a pretty good movie.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, well it's probably you know, the client or some something,
and uh.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, Stell text me do you know as a VCR.
I went, yeah, nineteen ninety six exactly. I didn't even
know what he was asking about it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And he's very right, because I went to, uh, best Buy,
I went to Walmart.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I went to.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The guy from best By sent me to this video shop,
and the guys I always sold out of our last one.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We knew next week.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And then I walked next door to a pawn shop
and they happened to have a DVD VCR combo they
wanted forty bucks for. I was like, in, like, I
looked online, you can't there's expensive. And I bought it
and I brought it home and of course, like it
doesn't work, so I have a I have a VCR
that doesn't work at the house.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So I'm just I'm on this. You may or may
not be playing Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, but it is the handwright my mom's handwriters, says
Matt burst lebron on the sleeve and on the tape,
and so you know.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You'd think that she would look at that and be like,
maybe we shouldn't record anything on that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, maybe they got desperate. It was a really good show.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, maybe it was a season finale of Friends or something. No,
it's Bobby's Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They put it in. Why am I getting picked on here? Now?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Hey, Castle, do you have a like a high school tape?
Did you make one to get recruited?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It was before the air that they're in now, where
everything's digitized. Even for my daughter, she's a freshman and
she plays in these club volleyball tournaments. They have this
AI app that will literally put together your ten highlight
reels and all you have to do is upload them
if you wanted to. But back then it was VHS,
and so you're going through this grainy film.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
You know, it's up on.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
The old school and I just went through the tape
and put it together myself. Really had no music to it,
so there was no music. It's just me out.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
There shooting from where is it that? Because when we
would shoot, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's a top cheat at the top of the bleachers
where it's the old school tripod, big big camera up there,
and so you're seeing like little people out there.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You can trdly even.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Tell what type of athlete you are. So I sent
it out and said I hope for the best, but
I mean I got a little bit of get a
little little notoriety from it. They came out to the
school check me out, so showed up. I mean, honestly,
there was a ton of people back then. Coaches used
to come to the facility every other week, I mean
from Miami to cal the USC to UCLA to Tennessee to.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This interview specifically. Or were there other players? Really? Did
you play on a really good team? Though?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Was in where we were okay, but we're in the middle,
middle of the pack in the like in our conference,
we there was teams that were way better than we were.
We only had thirty thirty guys on the team or
something like that, whereas some of these other schools forty
five fifty. I mean, we were la unified, but we
weren't known as a football school. We were known as
a baseball school. That's what I originally went to high
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school to play was baseball. I wasn't even gonna play football.
Then I got the itch and said, I'm going to
go out for the football team.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Then you figured out you could throw a ball over
the mountains. Then I could rip that thing did.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
If I play Mignon every night. Eventually I get tired
of fully Mignon. Were so many coaches showing up that
it wasn't a big deal anymore because a lot of
the high profile schools and coaches were showing up. You're like, oh, cool,
Tennessee's here this week.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
It's just a wild experience because as a young kid,
you think about getting recruited, but then all of a sudden,
your sophomore year hits and you have a good sophomore year,
and then all of a sudden, coach after coach starts
showing up. It was always for me something that I
got excited about because it means you're doing something right,
and at the same time, you didn't take it for granted.
But sometimes when those when schools like Tennessee at the time,
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or Miami or these national brands come to your school,
you're like, Wow, you're familiar with the col and the
UCLA and some of these coaches, but then at the
end of the day, when those games start showing up,
you're like, maybe there's something more to this recruiting thing,
because I'm getting recruited by national brands. So that's when
you start to realize maybe I am okay and I
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might be able to play at the next level.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Let's do the greatest stat line in a high school
game that you can remember of your own.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Matt Stell, you go first.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Can we just point out that the fact that I'm
being talked to like I'm an athlete sitting next.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
To him, But I say with them, ever I do
Jack crap. So you're the middle.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
You're the one that brings us together me Jack crap
him pro athlete.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You played college ball?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, all right, So greatest high school stat line?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I mean, I think I had forty something and several
rebounds and.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But no, no, don't be almost I'm asking you for specific
numbers I think I had.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think I had like forty forty two and like,
I don't know, probably a lot of rebounds, like I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Over ten, Yeah, for sure. Any chance there was a
triple double there?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, no, I used to it. I used to pass a
little bit, but not that game. I mean there's just
not enough enough shots. But yeah, I mean like yeah,
but it's a function over your competition too.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
You know, did you ever feel the zone? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I felt I felt in a game I lost. It
was actually I found out of the state tournament in
the first round. But I was hitting everything. I was
hitting threes. I was like, yeah, I felt it like
I could just kind of throw it up there and
it was going.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
In greatest high school stat line that you can remember,
Castle Gosh.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I mean, we played in the three A championship at
the Coliseum my junior year.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Now three A. That means it's kind of like the
what's the N Division.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You don't get into the big dog tournament, but you're
playing probably more caliber teams.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's not based on size. It wasn't on size, is
based on records.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So like you say, take the top eight teams around
LA County that play in the upper four A division
three A divisions like the step down because you didn't qualify.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But I remember that game.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I think I threw for I had to throw for
around three hundred yards with three tds, but I also
ran for like seventy yards with maybe a rushing touchdown.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Did you ever feel the zone? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And the crazy part about the zone and you probably
can speak to this, and Bobby, I know you can
speak to this because you're always in the zone, exactly
in the zone.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
When you're like, I'm not athlete, I have to deal
with this all the time. He'll talk about something, Bobby
for sure. You know wink week, So this is this
is our relationship. Come on, you know, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
But you're not thinking so much, right, it's just the
games coming to you. It slows down and you're hitting everything.
And there's games like that that just happen. There's no
rhyme or reason behind it because you kind of prepare
the same way every single week. But it's just that
day you're not missing, whereas other games. You know, you
feel good, but it's just it's not falling. The zone
is something special because if you can achieve it at
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any point, it's amazing. But when you're in it, you
it's like you had superpowers. Right, you're Captain America out there.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
My question with you guys both being high level athletes,
I was not very mid ver. Uh, you know, a
high energy, big motor you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, miss,
and that was fine, very very scrappy. So probably my
best game was like eighty yards in a touchdown, like
four catches eighty yards a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But that too, that's a big stat line.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay, yeah, okay, I felt like Matt did just a
minute ago, and you were like, yeah, but okay.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Then you think about who you were, who you were
playing against, who was guarding, and you're like.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So that was like my best game in high school
probably now. But my zone would be when in a
creative space, like if I'm doing stand up and it
is so effortless and everything feels so right that as
soon as I start to question it, I start to
come out of it. Now, I wonder if I athletically
that feels that when you're in it, do you acknowledge
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it ago I'm freaking on? Or are you in it
and you try not to even think about it, like
ball players are just want to know hit or they're
not messing with a picture, because I if I'm on, God, dang,
I'm running from thinking about feeling how perfect it is
right now.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Matt stell Uh. I mean, even as a performer, as the.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Saying, I would honestly say like I've felt that I
felt that more, uh even even not so much as
like the performance side, but like the days that I
go in and I feel like I really wrote a
good job, or we came up, we wrote a cool song,
and you're chasing it down and you're trying not to
Like my thing is, you obviously have to think, but
I try not to do the meta thinking, Like I
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try not to think about the situation like I'm looking you.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Know what I mean, Like that perspective to me can
jar it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Out of there a little bit thinking about the actual
situation if you start thinking this is awesome instead of start,
which is like a level removed from you in the room.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I find that to be distracting. But if I can,
if I can just stay connected with the you know,
it's less sports now, but if I if I can
stay connected, you know, with the idea of the song
and in the moment, I mean, it's the same things
you talk about, but yeah, I know that feeling.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
When it's pure and you're feeling at castle, do you
realize it's pure and your feeling and it's like I'm
on so let me just go.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Or do you try not to think and just go.
I try, you try not to think and just go.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And that's why I'm saying when you're in the zone
for a complete game, particularly when you're competing in sports,
or just like what you guys are saying, you're in
front of an audience and the whole show goes off
and you go, wow, I was in the zone the
entire time, because I've been in those games, particularly the
ebbs and flows of any situation where you have a
tremendous first half and then your second half the bed
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and you go out and go, wait, I was in
the zone. Everything was going great, and so you've been
through both circumstances. But when you're in the zone and
you're feeling it, I just try to ride that as
much as Paul, because your ultra focus and then your
confidence just goes through the roof every single series. But
so many times there's a small misstep here there that
just changes the moment of the game.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That you always have to be prepared to deal with
the adversity. Do you believe the momentum? Hell yeah, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I was always a big guy of when we start
a game, and we start early, get me some easy completions.
Let me just get into the rhythm of the game.
Because if you get that confidence early and you hit
a few throws, now all of a sudden, you feel
that momentum and you feel it throughout the entire chemistry
of the team.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let's talk about the opposite where everything should be going
fine but nothing is going right. And I've had those
nights where there's no reason that I should feel this
clunky or awkward or I'm stumbling over words, but man,
everything is going wrong. I'm not sick. I don't have
any drama happening, because that can affect us in all performance.
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But nothing is going right. It's like the anti zone.
I've been there and try to get out of the
anti zones, and some way, if I think about it,
I don't get out of it much less much like
if I think about it, I do fall out of it.
On the other side, castle I ever have for no
reason at all, you just can't stop sucking.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
One hundred percent? And can I just can we get
a rephrase?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That would be pretty accurate phrases.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yes, yes, I mean is there's a game we played
the Patriots. I was with the Vikings, and you know
I wanted obviously to have a great performance. We go
out there, go right down the field, had a good
start to the game. Next thing I know, it was
four interceptions later and they boat race us, and I
just go, what the hell?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
But no elbow problem, nothing hel no elbow problem.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I felt confident about the game play and everything. And
it's just one of those days where I'd throw a pass,
one would get tipped at the line scrimmage and it
falls right to hear. You make a bad decision, revis
picks it off. Next one the guy's running in cut,
he fades back another intercept.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
It was just one of those days.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
And like you said, the more you think about it,
I think you harp on the bad and you're now
starting to play scared. The only way to come out
of those situations are just have it. I used to
call it the fit mentality, Like what else can happen today?
Like you got to go out there and keep singing it,
because the guys feel it in the huddle too. You
got to give up kind of that false bravado at times,
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make them say, hey, Castle's not disturbed by it. We
got to keep rolling, even though I know in the
back of my mind I'm going I'm letting these guys down.
It's not a good day, but I've still got to
go out there try to get us back on course.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
What about doing a show? Live show?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
No reason for you to suck. You've had a bad
night where you're like, why why do I suck tonight?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I do find though that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Typically not always, but typically my worst is better than
I think, and my best is not as good as
I think. And so there's always some solace in that
a little bit, you know, because I can and and honestly,
sometimes you know, like in a golf swing, you know,
they say, feel isn't real. That's why you you know,
that's why they tell you to do stuff that doesn't
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sound like it would be right, because it's not.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
What you're doing is what you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I find that that is also the case when
i'm you know, like on stage or something like that,
is I can't always trust how it felt because I
can listen to it back.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, we typically have a board mix.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't listen to him very much, but you know
we will or you know, but I take solace in
that fact sometimes when things aren't going well that it's like, well,
I put in all this work so that my you know,
I'm sort of in a in this range.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right as I use hand gestures on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
But I mean, I'm I'm somewhere between a six and
a half and an eight and a half all the time,
you know, And so the worst isn't as bad as
it seems.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
The best is it may be as good as it seems.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
But yeah, are you a self critical guy like you
criticize yourself a little bit? Or would you say you're
more of a self confidence guy? Bad day as you
can put them behind you.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I feel like I'm fairly on it, like I don't
you know, my wife probably hears it more and she
would probably say I'm pretty negative on myself. But like,
I know, when I feel like I did a good
job now, it just doesn't happen that much, you know.
You know, I don't think I did a bad job
a lot like writing a song, playing a show, but
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I know what a good job feels like, and I
just kind of chase I chase that, you know, I
kind of have to let that be my north star,
even though it's it's not an objective thing that that
is my best or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But I just kind of know.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But I'm very I'm very critical, and but I try
to your point, I try to go out of my
way to think something positive when something when I feel
like something good happens, I write a good song, if
I play a good job, you know whatever, I try
to in.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
My mind give, you know, say something positive to myself.
So it's not always native what.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Do you That was the hardest thing for me is
I always felt when like you went out and kicked
ass during the game or something like that, I always
had that mentality of, well, that's my job, that's what
I'm supposed to do, rather than really acknowledging.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
The fact that I can you know, I crushed today.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And so I was always one of those guys that
you'd nitpick at little stuff where can I get better?
Or when things don't go well, you're really self critical.
You're you're thinking, gosh, I could have played so much better,
and you harp on the things that you made mistakes
on or the bad throw rather than you could go
eighteen for twenty two in a game, have a bunch
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of really good throws, but it's that one ball that
got interception, and that was the outcome of the game.
So I would say I'm more self critical than I
am like of always from a positive nature. And I
think it's the nature also of the business of every
time you play in a game, what do we do.
They don't go in there and praise you for the
good place. What they do is they go in and
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look at your mistakes, correct them, put them up on
the big board in front of the team, in front
in your quarterback room, and you harp on the little
details and the little mistakes that really probably didn't make
the major difference in the play. And so I think
you just train yourself. Okay, well, I've you're searching for perfection,
which you're never going to achieve, but you try to
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be the best that you can be and try to
create it every single time you go out in the field.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Did you have to learn how to be coached? Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I was not always one of those guys that took
coaching well at times, especially if personality wise right, certain
personalities I got along with really well, and then there's
other ones that was just became more combative than anything else.
And what you have to learn is you have to
be adaptable. Right, everybody's going to do it a little
bit different. You got to find a way to not
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only accept the coaching, but also learn how to communicate
best with that person. It might be allowed if you
have a thought, and this is one of those coaches
that hey, look, i'm this smart with a big circle
and you're this smart with the little dot in the middle.
That you had to try to make it their idea.
But if you try to make it their idea, they're
more receptive to implementing into a game plan. Whereas if
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I just went and said, hey, I think we need
to put this play, this play, this play, they'd be like, no,
we're not doing that. We've got our foundation, we know
what we are going to do.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
With different head coaches in different styles, And this is
the parallels between athletes and musicians are It's very similar
because now you have people telling you what songs are
good to what songs aren't, as you had coaches telling
you what play, what calls, what audibles are good, what aren't.
Why you should think this way? In that way, were
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there people that you had to listen to that you
knew they did not know near as much as you,
But you had to play the game and act like, okay,
I'm listening, but really you weren't.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
But you also have to be somebody that is going
to take the coaching regardless of whether or not you
agree with it, and somehow find a way to maneuver
through the minutia and all the stuff that they're saying
and get your point across, because at the end of
the day, especially for any you guys know as a
performer or a quarterback, in that you're the one out
there on the field performing, You're the one that's got
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to make the calls. You also are the one that's
going to be judged at the end of the day.
The coaches are sitting in the background, they've put together
a game plan, but if you don't like a play
that somebody put in, I'm I will be very open
about Hey, coach, I'm not comfortable with this. I don't
know if I can make it go. And it's not
because I hate the fact that he installed it. It's
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just like I'm more confident with something that we've practiced
during the week, we've repped, and now I can go
out there and execute at a high level. Call this
play twice, I don't care. But there's always that happy
medium of not pissing people off. But at the end
of the day, you're the guy that's got to go
out there and pull the trigger.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Are about songs with you like you ever saw here,
it's same you gotta get and executives like I don't
think this is a good song, right, I think this
is a good song, and you feel the opposite.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I mean for sure, and I think I mean
it's my opinion that I don't like to judge or
be judged all that much on outcomes. I mean, that's
what people do, but it's really the process that I'm
more concerned with that's gonna lead to good outcomes. Right,
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So what I mean by that is I want to
know that we're making decisions based on, you know, everyone
being incentivized the right way for one thing, like you know,
if everyone if everyone eats or doesn't, based on the
success of as, if everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Has skin in the game. You know that it's my like.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Label management, publishing, even band whatever, If we're incentivized the
right way, if we have a system that does that,
which is just basically you know, for me, it's been
does the song do well or do not? Then at
least the decision makers in the room are not are
incentivized for that to work and not for them to
be right, let's say, because it's the different the real
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key difference to me between sports and music pop music
like we make you know, like popular music, like whatever
the genre is, but is Sports is much more objective
at the end of sixty minutes, there is a final score.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know, unless you go over an overtime whatever. But
you get my point.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Music is so much more You're targeting like kind of
a moving target that if you chase too much it
doesn't work out, and you're trying to get ahead of
it a little bit. It's almost like leading a skeet
when you're shooting a gun kind of. But it's the
process that in not so much the outcome. So if
we made a good decision with the process, you got
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to believe that over time those outcomes are going to
be more than they would if you hit the lottery,
because that happens in our business.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
A lot Fascinated with you, guys at Parallel and one more,
One more, One more Parallel, Matt, your song prayed for
you as a monster. It was a wedding song, it
was a number one song.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's you've had.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You've put up multiple versions because it was so big,
like I don't know, like you'd like played one with.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
This five drink? Is that a six you sing it?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I don't know, but it got so big it get
you put out all these different versions.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
It's like oreos where they change the stuffing in it. Yeah, yeah,
and so concept, but concept everybody wants that from you.
And you've done a lot in your career, but everybody
wants that because that was your biggest thing. And so
it's always like play pray for you. And with Castle
you've done so much and play with different teams and
had successive places, but it's probably always like, hey, when
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Brady got hurt. Yeah, I would assume that, as grateful
as both of you are for the opportunities that you
were given, that sometimes you're like, I gotta tell this
freaking story again. Any truth in that Castle?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You're saying that when people say that, do I get annoyed?
Not annoyed, because I think you understand.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Do you think is that one thing being such a
dominant part of the narrative of you outside looking in
you knowing that your life is much more complex and dynamic,
What is that like, is that what you're asking?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
You know you're gonna get asked every single time, every
step in you know it.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, I'm known as a Patriot more than anything else
that I did in my career. And I played fourteen years,
and it was probably based on the simple fact that
it was such a polarizing time because Tom Brady won
the MVP of the Year before we were in the
Super Bowl, first game out of the year, guy that
hadn't started since high school, and so everybody looked at
that season, particularly Patriot fans but fans alike, and said,
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what is this slappy gonna do? And to go out
and win eleven games and go eleven and five, it
was a defining moment, not only for me in my
career but in my life. It set me up to
go on and achieve other things as well, and I
went to the Can't City. I went to the Pro
Bowl in twenty ten. Nobody even knows that, I don't think,
but that's fine with me because I know what I
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was able to do, especially coming with the story that
I had not ever started in a game in high
school and then just wanting to get my foot in
the door. Getting that opportunity the final year of my contract,
which if I don't play that year, Let's be honest, guys,
I'm not I didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Have the career that I had at all.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I might maybe get on to another team as a
practice squad, but it set everything else up in motion.
So I'm totally fine when people say that because it
was a good time in my life and it was
something that was an opportunity in front of me. It
was given to me and it's whether or not you
capitalize on it, and I was able to capitalize on it,
and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Did you have a process though, well, for a while
like I got I which people wud ask about something else,
But now years you, with time, you can appreciate what
it is.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I can't, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I think it was more so when I was still
playing in the league and different for different organizations when
you're starting for a different organization. But everybody still wanted
to go back talk about that season because again, I know,
it's an interesting story. I think that was probably more
annoying than what let's talk about the now, what we're
doing now. But as you get remove yourself from the game.
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Now it's my fifth year out talking about it is
totally acceptable to me, and I embrace it.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Actually, it's a lot of fun to talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And you know, you were going to talk about it
every time you do a new interview one hundred percent. Okay, Matt,
Still you got this massive song. You've got other number
it's not your only number one, but this song is
your monster.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, thoughts, Well, it definitely defines you, and I think
you know, in in entertainment, especially in music and in
country music. Right, the brand quote unquote ends up being
you're the You're the protagonist in the song. You know,
so I'm connected with that song that as necessarily the part.
Like I wrote that song about one of my co
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writers meeting her husband like the day before, right, I'm
telling that story. That's how I view this song, Like
I'm I'm because that's my favorite kind of music, is
like you know, storytelling stuff or whatever. Like you know,
Kenny Rodgers didn't meet a hobo in a train car
that taught him how to play poker, right, Like that's
a character in the same way that that person in
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the character or that person in my song is not
so much me. But I love the song. I mean, yeah,
you want to I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Know, you got to play it through.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
It's like, I'm proud to play it every night though,
Like I worked so all I ever wanted to do
was for anyone to give about a song I wrote.
And I thought it would be about different stuff than
what I I didn't think that would be the song
that did it, but it did it. And now that
I look back on it, and now that I'm married
now and it you know, now that I'm in.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
A place in my life where there's like a person
that I care the most.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
About, it's it is like that song has been refreshed
to me. And like, I know how big a deal
it is for people to include that song in a
wedding or in an anniversary or to say that that's
the song that matters to them, you know, like it
it's even more of like a compliment, like I've I've
come more than full circle on that.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, I didn't think I'd be the wedding song guy,
but you know, hey, it's a good thing to have.
I mean, yeah, hey, wedding song. I give it to
me every time.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Weddings, there's a lot of people getting married. People people
get married and sometimes they get married a lot. There's
more marriages than couples.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Sometimes you drink, you drink coffee with their cast. No,
I don't have a coffee. I already had two coffees
was drinking.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I drank that much coffee every day of a or
of a single origin being of somewhere in a subtropical climate,
and a poreover that I grind and make every day
like a burist in my house.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I hate coffee. Yeah, well, did you ever do it
with a little bit of creamer in there? Hate? I'll
tell you what, it's fantasy.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I never even taste a coffee until I did Dancing
with the Stars. But because I was doing radio show, training, traveling,
doing step and I was like, I'm about to die,
I tried coffee. And that's only I was my thirty
forever tet. Awful the fact that you got it. I
can't acquire that taste.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
It's the reason, it's the reason I want tomorrow to happen.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, I'm really I love coffee. And it could be
the worst cup of coffee. I could go into like
a local gas station and just be like, oh, this
has been here for twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'm still going to drink the hell out of it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And I'm such a like, I'm like Bobby wood clothes
about coffee, Like I am snooty and I am.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Where did that come from? But what are you talking about?
I am? I am highbrow, I am exquisite.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I get less than less offended. I am luxurious about
my coffee. And I don't put anything in it. It's
just about the bean and where it's from.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You research this, I'm guessing you go. Do you dive
deep in the woods. There's coffee shops within, you know,
like I could. I could.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You could throw a football and hit some of my
favorite coffee shops here. And they just source these beans
from all over the world. They have different flavor notes.
Like you ever hear people that are douches about wine
and the flavor notes wine, it's the same. It's I'm
a coffee douche.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Oh you know what I am.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm a tartar douche. I just found out you ever
had I like some really good beef tartar. They making
fun of you and they put like a little egg,
look you taste it. I never tast I never had alcohol,
so I don't know what wine tastes like. So I
never got to do the cool thing where it's like
but add some tartar made and they do it in
front of you and they give you a little spoon
and like is this to your liking?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
And I'm like, yeah, that'll do.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I finally got to do that. It was yes, Matts Tel,
you're playing you playing shows.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, I gotta go to Florida in the morning.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well not like today, like this is where I go. Hey,
promote your.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Whatever, Like I don't know, man, I got I got
music everywhere. You can find me everywhere, and I'm hilarious
on social media, so enjoy enjoy that audience.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Instagram at Matt Style, on TikTok, Matt Stelle music. Did
you know he is uh like he studied religion like
he's his masters. He got like he's gonna go be
a doctor, decided to do music instead.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I can see that. It's a brilliant mind in there.
There's no doubt about you when he's just a caffeinated mind.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Studied religion? What was just was it religious history? What's
the one you did?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah? What what didn't you like? Yeah, let's go there,
let's get all right, religion is ranked coming next. Yeah, yeah,
how did what did you study?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I studied really majored in philosophy and religion. My undergraduate
I was interested in, uh, not so much answering questions,
but I did. I didn't know this at the time,
but I basically have a degree in critical thinking, right,
and uh, you know I come from I come from
a Christian evangelical background, and I was interested in those
questions and where those.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Kinds of things come from.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And I learned a whole lot, changed my perspective a
whole lot when I encountered new not even new ideas,
So I just encountered different ideas. But really I have
a degree, I suppose in critical thinking my undergraduate and
then my masters is somewhat similar. It's sort of been
rhetoric and power struggles between groups.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I mean, looks dumb and rock smartest could.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Be, I mean smart as can be. Yeah, it's not
I have a degree in critical thinking. Mine was just
in communications and I don't know what I read. That's
what my masters is in this communication.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Matt.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Still, thank you very much for coming by. Yeah, you're welcome,
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
You guys.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Can I ask a question Why did you Why did
you invite my wife and I to play pickleball? And
then we couldn't make it and haven't since, and it's
been beautiful. Is it because she is an unbelievable pickleball
player and will just beat the dust out of you
and us?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Great question? Uh? And I have a great answer for that.
So I invited you and your wife to play, and
I said, hey, come over, we're playing. And my phone died.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh my, that was a great excuse.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
He turned it off pH a lot when I was
datd it literally died, and I was and I've I
was like, I told George Burge, both of our mutual friend.
I was like inviting Matt, but I've earn anything back.
And I was like, oh, my phone died, and so
as soon as it came on, I was like, yeah,
I'll be over. And I was like, oh god, that's
like forty five minutes ago, so so on me. But
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then we left the country. We've been gone and you
had the flu. Yes, true or false?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's true. Yeah, so you have the flu until we
left the country. So you're saying this is just a
timing issue and it's not should read anything more proving
it with data. Okay, I'm a dad, I'm a slave
to data.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yes, so if we're looking at game tape here, that's
exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
And yes, he Castle's the pick awall player. I mean
pretty strong bullet points right there. Yeah, I got them.
My wife is the best ping pong.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I cannot score fifteen points on my wife playing ping pong,
and I'm not terrible. But in my DEFICITI she grew
up with a carpeted basement. So it tells you all
you need to know.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I would choose to rephrase that, but we're not rephraising
things different on the show.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Let's say at Matt Sell music on TikTok. All right,
thanks guys, here's the game.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Okay, if we had to equate NFL players with celebrities,
you would compare the current player with a current.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Pop culture figure.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'd like to hear something, for example, and I have
a few of these.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I will go.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Patrick Mahomes and Drake that that is my parallel. Here's
why one they win? They all they do is except recently,
except recently. They they win constantly, except recently, polarizing because
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of how much they win. They're constantly in the goat combos,
even though they're not the actual goat yet.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh very strong bullet points. So I would go Drake
and Patrick Mahomes. You're up all.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Right, Well you mentioned Drake, I'm gonna have to go
in that same realm. I'm gonna go Kendrick Lamar and
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Well, why they.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Both just were at the super Bowl and performed at
the super Bowl. Jalen Hurts slayed the dragon, so to speak,
beat his biggest rival, and Kendrick Lamar absolutely served up
some humble pie to Drake at the super Bowl. He won,
even even if the lawsuit might come along, Who cares?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
That was amazing. You want to just right there?
Speaker 4 (43:02):
I mean he performed in front of how many millions
of people and just I've completely had Serena Williams up
there crip walking.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
This is isn't even a competition, but you one round one?
Next up, Josh Allen, Chris Pratt lovable, great athletic, Yes, thick,
very thick. Does it always get the critical respect that
they deserve because of their like lovable thickness, But people
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love them?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
But both of them. Of course I would go Josh
Allen Chris Pratt.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I think that's a fantastic celebrity NFL player comparison. Let's
go with my boy Matt Stafford, and I'm going to
go with Matt Stafford and Brad Pitt. Matt Stafford is
now considered one of the elders of the NFL community.
Brad Pitt, obviously, he's been around for a real long time,
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been very successful. He's consider are a little bit older
of an actor, but guess what, they're still getting it done.
They're still making hits, they're still dominating their profession, and
they're a little bit older, but they.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Still got it. That's all I gotta say. They still
got it.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
When you're older as a male and somebody, you know,
like a lady comes up and says something to you,
and it's like, gosh, that made me feel good.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I still got it. That's a good one. They still
got it.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Derrick Henry, you're going to compare to Derrick Henry Jason Momoa. Oh,
I like that absolute tanks of the Humans. Both superheroes
look great in whatever superhero or football costume uniform they're wearing.
I'm going Derrick Henry Jason momoa.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I love that. I love that, and they both have
the long hair. I mean, it all works all right.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Let's see Robert Downey Junior and Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh a coach? Nice? I went Kyle Shann't because guess what.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
They're all really well respect in their profession, thought of
as one of the top in their profession. But neither
one of them have won the big award. Shanahan's never
won a super Bowl, Robert Downey Junior has never won
an Oscar.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
That's a great one. I didn't even think to go coach.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Well, I have thought coaches sometimes might be a little
bit easier, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I mean, I obviously didn't. Again, I didn't think coach.
That was really good. I'm gonna go retired Tom Brady.
Can I guess who you're gonna go with? Yeah, Taylor Swift,
George Cloney, Oh darn it.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Tom Brady, George Cloney, ageless, okay, polished, freaking iconic walks
into any room, and it's just like, that's MF and
George Clooney or MF and Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
That's that, dude. I love it.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
That actually is a beautiful comparison as well. I went
Taylor Swift because they're both polarizing figures.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Either love them or hate them.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
They've got their little group like Brady's got Boston whoever
else really likes them, and then Taylor.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Swift haves her Swifties.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
But other than those people, there's a lot of people
that just dislike them want to see him fail.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
That's why I say, and a lot of times out
of jealousy, just jealous because they've been successful. They're good
at everything that they do.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
There's nothing that you can sit there and go, oh God,
I wish I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
How any more? You got uh, let's see? Uh? How
about Timothy Charalama, Oh I got a challame, went too?
Do you Yours is going to be better? Though I
stretch with the mine. Well, I just kind of went
him with, say a brock party, that's what I have?
Do you swear to God?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Come on, I swear great minds, thinking like, look, you're
the very best friend that.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
What does that say? Brock party equals.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
A small frame? You go first, You go first, small
frame kind of up and coming. Both have proven themselves
in some way, but everybody there's still always going to
be their doubters because they kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, and I have to with Timothy Shallamy and Brock Purty.
Constantly people are telling you why they're not the person exactly,
like that's it not that good. He's too skinny, I'm
not shallow me like, he can't be an action he
does doomed too, He's freaking awesome. Brock Pertty. Yeah, I
had I had that one. Okay, okay, okay, let meet
you another one here. Someone are terrible? How about Aaron
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Rodgers Walking Phoenix?
Speaker 3 (47:41):
I like that one. Weird, very weird.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
But both of them are very weird, mysterious, genius level
like talent one on the on the field one acting,
both off the grid type people but undeniable when locked in.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Mm yes, like the Joker. Oh the method acting, I
mean it's.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
And Aaron Rodgers slicing defenses up like when he's healthy
and on methodical nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, so much fun to watch. Let's I love it.
Let's go one more each If you have one more, I've.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Got, let's do Kanye West and Tyreek Hill, Oh boy,
because guess what they beat to their own drum.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
They don't give a crap what other people think. They
beat to their own drum? That would be right, because
I think the term is drummed to their own beat. Yeah. Well,
but but they do beat to their own drum. Yeah,
I'm just coming up with something new. No exactly.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Maybe it's me and Kanye then, okay, because I say
stuff whatever I want and I don't give a good
crap what anybody else thinks. Okay, That's where I'm at
right now. And I just think that those two they're
highly successful. They go out, they perform, but it's done
in a way that it's always going to be their way.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I give you one more.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Okay, you didn't like that one as much. I can
feel it in your bones, No bones, I can feel
it in your.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Bobby I do they do drum to their own beat
and beat their own drum?
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Or whatever? You said?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
What if I did like the rock in Matt Castle,
except I can find no, no, nothing.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
He's a better entertainer, he's more fit. Okay.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Julian Edelman and Mark Wahlberg, I could see that Boston
scrappy as crap.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
I mean, Julian's from California, But you think of them,
that's true. That's true. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Did I pee in a single cheerio you had?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
When you think of Edelman, you think of the freaking
page of Boston.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yes short, I mean, because yes they are.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Wahlburg is not a tall guy.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Had to figure it out differently, like they both had
to come up and figure it out a bit, deffinitely
non traditionally and just kind of won't be ignored type.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Well, you crushed that one because I had one hundred
percent agree with that.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Edelman was played quarterback in college. Yeah, do you know what?
At Yellow Kent State? Kent State? Thank you in State?
And then Wahlberg was Marky Mark and funky.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Bunch, I mean, how yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
The other was New Kids on the Block. I know.
I used to love New Kids on the Block. I
secretly did, but not publicly.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
No, I publicly showed them love everywhere I went. I
think I even did lip sing to them when I
was in grade school. Crush all all four of them
or five of them?
Speaker 3 (50:26):
You know which song?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Please don't go care, O, baby gonna get to you.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Care step on So good. That's good.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Thank you guys for listening to another episode of Lots
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Speaker 3 (50:55):
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Speaker 3 (51:04):
So thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
A big thanks to Matt Stell for coming in, and
to Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones and we'll see you
next week. This is Lots to Say, Lots to Say
with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is a production of
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We Got lots just say, we got lots to say?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What a bator here and we folk you say because
we got lost? Just say, yeah, we got lost. Just
say here's Bobby That.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome to another episode of Lots to Say.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am Bobby Bones. He is Matt Castle.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We're gonna get right to our chat with country superstar
Matt Stell in studio.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Some quick notes.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We got two matts here, which is confusing, and you'll
hear us talk about some of these. He's got multiple
number one songs. Prayed for you. He grew up in Arkansas,
played basketball, played college basketball in high school. We played
against Lebron James twice, which he has a wild story about.
You hear us talk about that, and you can follow
him at Matt Stell Music. Awesome musician, great dude. Go
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stream his stuff and ope you enjoy the.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Chat here he is.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
It's me, Matt Castle and Matt Stella. Our guest and
studio is country music superstar Matt Stell, with hits such
as I Wonder if I could sing them?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Sing them? Well? You won't. I will, but I don't know.
Will you do it? I will, but I don't know him.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It's not even that I know. I will not do
them justice first of all. But when I try to
sing the songs back to back, I can't. My melodies
get all lost like it gets now. It's not true too,
Like I'm prayed for you never single day, never knew
your name, but that's the name I called.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I prayed for you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Words probably not accurate, but the melody was kind of there. Yeah,
all right, what are the wording?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Every single day before I knew your name, I couldn't
see your face, but it prayed for you.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, your face, your face and then uh.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I've been down to London and South Beach, Mississippi and
all the.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Way Battle Beach, London, Mississippi. Yeah, everywhere, but on that's.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, that's that's like reasonably you've heard the song before.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I know, no, I just sang.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm not lyrics guy, I'm melody guy. So I'm knowing
know if any of the lyrics were right where any
of those what are the words?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
That's pretty close. We're just some different cities. I've been
ware of those. Savannah along Beach I said, London to
South Beach.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, I said. It was like, I'm a little flattered
that you because I know you're not a words guy. Yeah,
you're in the ballpark though, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
All that matters.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, and then how about that ain't Me No I'm
losing my melodies on that ain't Me no More.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's where I get in trouble, dude, the melody that
ain't Me no More? And then breaking it, break breaking it. Yeah,
it's because you didn't play this one enough. I don't
play anything, break it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But Matt has a bunch of songs anyway. I mean,
Matt is also an athlete, a former athlete, but still
an air quotes athlete. And so I'm gonna tell my
favorite recent story of my two favorite Mats is that
we all were at the Super Bowl. We weren't together,
but we were together, but we were together at different times,
and roughly it was like, Hey, if we have time,
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we'll place, we'll play golf, and Stelle was like, I'll
set it up. And turns out Matt Castle and I
had way more work than we thought we would. We
were very busy, and Matt as much friend. Matt oh,
I got two Matts. This is crazy. Mind's blown right now?
Still okay, Stelley Castle. And so Castle's got all his
NFL buddies hanging out with Matt Stelle's got all his
music people he's hanging out with. I got food poisoning
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because my bathtubs full of like grime or something. So
I'm doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Knows that sandwich shop, Oh that too, I got you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And so they had set up just in case of
tea time, and and there ends up being a picture
of a of a person that was working at the
golf course and it's like it was so cool to
have Matt Castle stop and play golf that the problem
was it wasn't Matt Castle, it was Matt Stell. Yeah, yeah,
that's pretty funny. Did she think to you you were
Matt Castle?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I I don't know, Like, I don't know the the
they were.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
They're super nice folks.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
They just uh probably looked at the t sheet from
what it was gonna be and just assumed that, like
I mean, you know, if you squint from far away,
you know, you could mix the two of us.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Up if you're tall if Yeah, and also and they
were not they were uh not.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
They were immigrants, so they probably think white people look
the same, which I get we and we do kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You know, that's why I wear glasses. I'm so generic
white guy that I put big glasses on so people.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It was one of the best complements of my life
to be called Matt Castle. It was on the Facebook
page I left all out for a day. I saw it.
It was so funny. I was like, I mean I
had sent it to you first, like how did you play?
But how'd you play? Like?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I shot the course, you shot eighty one. You shot
eighty one at Latour Golf Club down in uh uh
Lafouche Parish, Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All day, every day, baby, all day every day. That
was a fun memory.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I know, since I know Matt Stell pretty well,
you have to tell him, like we've never heard it
your Lebron James story.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh man, yeah, so he's a basketball player, college basketball player.
Oh I know that, Okay, yeah yeah. I used to
get a bucket and I used to think that. I
was like, you know, I had hoop dreams, man, you know,
like like everybody, and then uh man, my senior year
of high school, I went up to play with the
team in Akron, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Uh, just to play one tournament with.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Him, and we played against Lebron James and we honestly
we went like it's AU tournaments or a round robin tournament,
so you play your first games and then you get
seated for the tournament. And we won the first game.
Actually Lebron had like probably eighteen and ten or whatever.
But then we've we've matched up again against him in
the finals of that and he had like forty five
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and twenty forty something like. It was like he had
whatever numbers were available were the ones that he achieved.
Like it was his usage was high and his efficiency
was high. And uh yeah, man, between him and then
Joe Johnson, when I was after I was at college,
coming back and playing in a pro M league, That's
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when I found my ceiling. Like I knew very I
knew very soon, Like it was very apparent that my
dreams were outpacing my ability.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And you saw them and that created your ceiling. They
built your ceiling for you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean, and at the time with Lebron, you know,
I'm coming in thinking, Okay, I got some time, you know,
to grow three inches and gain forty pounds and but
with with Joe Johnson, Wavy Joe one of my favorite athletes,
one of the smoothest games that ever was. And he
gave that smooth ass game to me in the dunbar
and Little Rock and he just comes out and absolutely
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just like is better at everything and bigger and faster
and it's just a level. And I was just like, Okay, well,
this is my dreams died today. But that's all right,
I'll play. I can play guitar.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, so Lebron goes crazy. You played Lebron, the story
gets a bit better.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And what's cool is you got to watch it, right, Yeah,
you competed against Lebron. No, and you have it. You
have that your whole life. Yeah to watch?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and and but oh yeah right, so I have,
like you know, it taped all the games. So I
had this tape and I brought it home and like
you know, on the first game, the finals were tape.
But like that first game that we played and like
we won, and like I had like like six point whatever,
and but I had a nice little like lay up
in the lane where I kind of not so much
got around it but made a good cut and made
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a layup and he like tried to blocket missing. I
made the layup, and you know, it's like that was
just still probably the highlight of my you know, athletic career.
But then I got back and I don't know what happened,
but uh, you know, at the time, that was a
VHS tape and at the time, you know, somebody, I
think my dad had just gotten like a Prime Star
satellite or something, and like if they ordered a movie,
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they were recording that movie so that it could be enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And I think it got recorded over. His entire game
versus Lebron James got recorded over.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, that's old school VHS, right, put it in the recorder.
You're trying to record, you don't know what's on it,
and all of a sudden you're like, wait, yeah, that's
a memory that I wanted.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And what's wild is like Mom, the other has probably
been about a year ago, but she found the VHS.
I have it at my house and I went and
I was gonna, like I want to see it, but
like no one has a VCR, and.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I win, is that why you text me buy a VCR?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, So because I have the tape and like I
can't remember. I remember it being taped over, but I
don't remember like verifying. I think maybe that was I
just want to see what, at least what movie Pelican brief.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You know, saying that a pretty good movie.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, well it's probably you know, the client or some something,
and uh.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, Stell text me do you know as a VCR.
I went, yeah, nineteen ninety six exactly. I didn't even
know what he was asking about it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And he's very right, because I went to, uh, best Buy,
I went to Walmart.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I went to.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The guy from best By sent me to this video shop,
and the guys I always sold out of our last one.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We knew next week.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And then I walked next door to a pawn shop
and they happened to have a DVD VCR combo they
wanted forty bucks for. I was like, in, like, I
looked online, you can't there's expensive. And I bought it
and I brought it home and of course, like it
doesn't work, so I have a I have a VCR
that doesn't work at the house.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So I'm just I'm on this. You may or may
not be playing Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, but it is the handwright my mom's handwriters, says
Matt burst lebron on the sleeve and on the tape,
and so you know.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You'd think that she would look at that and be like,
maybe we shouldn't record anything on that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, maybe they got desperate. It was a really good show.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, maybe it was a season finale of Friends or something. No,
it's Bobby's Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They put it in. Why am I getting picked on here? Now?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Hey, Castle, do you have a like a high school tape?
Did you make one to get recruited?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It was before the air that they're in now, where
everything's digitized. Even for my daughter, she's a freshman and
she plays in these club volleyball tournaments. They have this
AI app that will literally put together your ten highlight
reels and all you have to do is upload them
if you wanted to. But back then it was VHS,
and so you're going through this grainy film.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
You know, it's up on.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
The old school and I just went through the tape
and put it together myself. Really had no music to it,
so there was no music. It's just me out.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
There shooting from where is it that? Because when we
would shoot, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's a top cheat at the top of the bleachers
where it's the old school tripod, big big camera up there,
and so you're seeing like little people out there.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You can trdly even.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Tell what type of athlete you are. So I sent
it out and said I hope for the best, but
I mean I got a little bit of get a
little little notoriety from it. They came out to the
school check me out, so showed up. I mean, honestly,
there was a ton of people back then. Coaches used
to come to the facility every other week, I mean
from Miami to cal the USC to UCLA to Tennessee to.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This interview specifically. Or were there other players? Really? Did
you play on a really good team? Though?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Was in where we were okay, but we're in the middle,
middle of the pack in the like in our conference,
we there was teams that were way better than we were.
We only had thirty thirty guys on the team or
something like that, whereas some of these other schools forty
five fifty. I mean, we were la unified, but we
weren't known as a football school. We were known as
a baseball school. That's what I originally went to high
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school to play was baseball. I wasn't even gonna play football.
Then I got the itch and said, I'm going to
go out for the football team.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Then you figured out you could throw a ball over
the mountains. Then I could rip that thing did.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
If I play Mignon every night. Eventually I get tired
of fully Mignon. Were so many coaches showing up that
it wasn't a big deal anymore because a lot of
the high profile schools and coaches were showing up. You're like, oh, cool,
Tennessee's here this week.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
It's just a wild experience because as a young kid,
you think about getting recruited, but then all of a sudden,
your sophomore year hits and you have a good sophomore year,
and then all of a sudden, coach after coach starts
showing up. It was always for me something that I
got excited about because it means you're doing something right,
and at the same time, you didn't take it for granted.
But sometimes when those when schools like Tennessee at the time,
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or Miami or these national brands come to your school,
you're like, Wow, you're familiar with the col and the
UCLA and some of these coaches, but then at the
end of the day, when those games start showing up,
you're like, maybe there's something more to this recruiting thing,
because I'm getting recruited by national brands. So that's when
you start to realize maybe I am okay and I
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might be able to play at the next level.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Let's do the greatest stat line in a high school
game that you can remember of your own.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Matt Stell, you go first.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Can we just point out that the fact that I'm
being talked to like I'm an athlete sitting next.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
To him, But I say with them, ever I do
Jack crap. So you're the middle.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
You're the one that brings us together me Jack crap
him pro athlete.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You played college ball?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, all right, So greatest high school stat line?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I mean, I think I had forty something and several
rebounds and.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But no, no, don't be almost I'm asking you for specific
numbers I think I had.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think I had like forty forty two and like,
I don't know, probably a lot of rebounds, like I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Over ten, Yeah, for sure. Any chance there was a
triple double there?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, no, I used to it. I used to pass a
little bit, but not that game. I mean there's just
not enough enough shots. But yeah, I mean like yeah,
but it's a function over your competition too.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
You know, did you ever feel the zone? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I felt I felt in a game I lost. It
was actually I found out of the state tournament in
the first round. But I was hitting everything. I was
hitting threes. I was like, yeah, I felt it like
I could just kind of throw it up there and
it was going.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
In greatest high school stat line that you can remember,
Castle Gosh.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I mean, we played in the three A championship at
the Coliseum my junior year.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Now three A. That means it's kind of like the
what's the N Division.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You don't get into the big dog tournament, but you're
playing probably more caliber teams.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's not based on size. It wasn't on size, is
based on records.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So like you say, take the top eight teams around
LA County that play in the upper four A division
three A divisions like the step down because you didn't qualify.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But I remember that game.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I think I threw for I had to throw for
around three hundred yards with three tds, but I also
ran for like seventy yards with maybe a rushing touchdown.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Did you ever feel the zone? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And the crazy part about the zone and you probably
can speak to this, and Bobby, I know you can
speak to this because you're always in the zone, exactly
in the zone.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
When you're like, I'm not athlete, I have to deal
with this all the time. He'll talk about something, Bobby
for sure. You know wink week, So this is this
is our relationship. Come on, you know, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
But you're not thinking so much, right, it's just the
games coming to you. It slows down and you're hitting everything.
And there's games like that that just happen. There's no
rhyme or reason behind it because you kind of prepare
the same way every single week. But it's just that
day you're not missing, whereas other games. You know, you
feel good, but it's just it's not falling. The zone
is something special because if you can achieve it at
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any point, it's amazing. But when you're in it, you
it's like you had superpowers. Right, you're Captain America out there.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
My question with you guys both being high level athletes,
I was not very mid ver. Uh, you know, a
high energy, big motor you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, miss,
and that was fine, very very scrappy. So probably my
best game was like eighty yards in a touchdown, like
four catches eighty yards a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But that too, that's a big stat line.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay, yeah, okay, I felt like Matt did just a
minute ago, and you were like, yeah, but okay.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Then you think about who you were, who you were
playing against, who was guarding, and you're like.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So that was like my best game in high school
probably now. But my zone would be when in a
creative space, like if I'm doing stand up and it
is so effortless and everything feels so right that as
soon as I start to question it, I start to
come out of it. Now, I wonder if I athletically
that feels that when you're in it, do you acknowledge
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it ago I'm freaking on? Or are you in it
and you try not to even think about it, like
ball players are just want to know hit or they're
not messing with a picture, because I if I'm on, God, dang,
I'm running from thinking about feeling how perfect it is
right now.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Matt stell Uh. I mean, even as a performer, as the.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Saying, I would honestly say like I've felt that I
felt that more, uh even even not so much as
like the performance side, but like the days that I
go in and I feel like I really wrote a
good job, or we came up, we wrote a cool song,
and you're chasing it down and you're trying not to
Like my thing is, you obviously have to think, but
I try not to do the meta thinking, Like I
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try not to think about the situation like I'm looking you.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Know what I mean, Like that perspective to me can
jar it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Out of there a little bit thinking about the actual
situation if you start thinking this is awesome instead of start,
which is like a level removed from you in the room.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I find that to be distracting. But if I can,
if I can just stay connected with the you know,
it's less sports now, but if I if I can
stay connected, you know, with the idea of the song
and in the moment, I mean, it's the same things
you talk about, but yeah, I know that feeling.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
When it's pure and you're feeling at castle, do you
realize it's pure and your feeling and it's like I'm
on so let me just go.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Or do you try not to think and just go.
I try, you try not to think and just go.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And that's why I'm saying when you're in the zone
for a complete game, particularly when you're competing in sports,
or just like what you guys are saying, you're in
front of an audience and the whole show goes off
and you go, wow, I was in the zone the
entire time, because I've been in those games, particularly the
ebbs and flows of any situation where you have a
tremendous first half and then your second half the bed
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and you go out and go, wait, I was in
the zone. Everything was going great, and so you've been
through both circumstances. But when you're in the zone and
you're feeling it, I just try to ride that as
much as Paul, because your ultra focus and then your
confidence just goes through the roof every single series. But
so many times there's a small misstep here there that
just changes the moment of the game.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That you always have to be prepared to deal with
the adversity. Do you believe the momentum? Hell yeah, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I was always a big guy of when we start
a game, and we start early, get me some easy completions.
Let me just get into the rhythm of the game.
Because if you get that confidence early and you hit
a few throws, now all of a sudden, you feel
that momentum and you feel it throughout the entire chemistry
of the team.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let's talk about the opposite where everything should be going
fine but nothing is going right. And I've had those
nights where there's no reason that I should feel this
clunky or awkward or I'm stumbling over words, but man,
everything is going wrong. I'm not sick. I don't have
any drama happening, because that can affect us in all performance.
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But nothing is going right. It's like the anti zone.
I've been there and try to get out of the
anti zones, and some way, if I think about it,
I don't get out of it much less much like
if I think about it, I do fall out of it.
On the other side, castle I ever have for no
reason at all, you just can't stop sucking.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
One hundred percent? And can I just can we get
a rephrase?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That would be pretty accurate phrases.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yes, yes, I mean is there's a game we played
the Patriots. I was with the Vikings, and you know
I wanted obviously to have a great performance. We go
out there, go right down the field, had a good
start to the game. Next thing I know, it was
four interceptions later and they boat race us, and I
just go, what the hell?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
But no elbow problem, nothing hel no elbow problem.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I felt confident about the game play and everything. And
it's just one of those days where I'd throw a pass,
one would get tipped at the line scrimmage and it
falls right to hear. You make a bad decision, revis
picks it off. Next one the guy's running in cut,
he fades back another intercept.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
It was just one of those days.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
And like you said, the more you think about it,
I think you harp on the bad and you're now
starting to play scared. The only way to come out
of those situations are just have it. I used to
call it the fit mentality, Like what else can happen today?
Like you got to go out there and keep singing it,
because the guys feel it in the huddle too. You
got to give up kind of that false bravado at times,
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make them say, hey, Castle's not disturbed by it. We
got to keep rolling, even though I know in the
back of my mind I'm going I'm letting these guys down.
It's not a good day, but I've still got to
go out there try to get us back on course.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
What about doing a show? Live show?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
No reason for you to suck. You've had a bad
night where you're like, why why do I suck tonight?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I do find though that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Typically not always, but typically my worst is better than
I think, and my best is not as good as
I think. And so there's always some solace in that
a little bit, you know, because I can and and honestly,
sometimes you know, like in a golf swing, you know,
they say, feel isn't real. That's why you you know,
that's why they tell you to do stuff that doesn't
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sound like it would be right, because it's not.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
What you're doing is what you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I find that that is also the case when
i'm you know, like on stage or something like that,
is I can't always trust how it felt because I
can listen to it back.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, we typically have a board mix.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't listen to him very much, but you know
we will or you know, but I take solace in
that fact sometimes when things aren't going well that it's like, well,
I put in all this work so that my you know,
I'm sort of in a in this range.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right as I use hand gestures on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
But I mean, I'm I'm somewhere between a six and
a half and an eight and a half all the time,
you know, And so the worst isn't as bad as
it seems.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
The best is it may be as good as it seems.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
But yeah, are you a self critical guy like you
criticize yourself a little bit? Or would you say you're
more of a self confidence guy? Bad day as you
can put them behind you.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I feel like I'm fairly on it, like I don't
you know, my wife probably hears it more and she
would probably say I'm pretty negative on myself. But like,
I know, when I feel like I did a good
job now, it just doesn't happen that much, you know.
You know, I don't think I did a bad job
a lot like writing a song, playing a show, but
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I know what a good job feels like, and I
just kind of chase I chase that, you know, I
kind of have to let that be my north star,
even though it's it's not an objective thing that that
is my best or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But I just kind of know.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But I'm very I'm very critical, and but I try
to your point, I try to go out of my
way to think something positive when something when I feel
like something good happens, I write a good song, if
I play a good job, you know whatever, I try
to in.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
My mind give, you know, say something positive to myself.
So it's not always native what.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Do you That was the hardest thing for me is
I always felt when like you went out and kicked
ass during the game or something like that, I always
had that mentality of, well, that's my job, that's what
I'm supposed to do, rather than really acknowledging.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
The fact that I can you know, I crushed today.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And so I was always one of those guys that
you'd nitpick at little stuff where can I get better?
Or when things don't go well, you're really self critical.
You're you're thinking, gosh, I could have played so much better,
and you harp on the things that you made mistakes
on or the bad throw rather than you could go
eighteen for twenty two in a game, have a bunch
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of really good throws, but it's that one ball that
got interception, and that was the outcome of the game.
So I would say I'm more self critical than I
am like of always from a positive nature. And I
think it's the nature also of the business of every
time you play in a game, what do we do.
They don't go in there and praise you for the
good place. What they do is they go in and
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look at your mistakes, correct them, put them up on
the big board in front of the team, in front
in your quarterback room, and you harp on the little
details and the little mistakes that really probably didn't make
the major difference in the play. And so I think
you just train yourself. Okay, well, I've you're searching for perfection,
which you're never going to achieve, but you try to
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be the best that you can be and try to
create it every single time you go out in the field.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Did you have to learn how to be coached? Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I was not always one of those guys that took
coaching well at times, especially if personality wise right, certain
personalities I got along with really well, and then there's
other ones that was just became more combative than anything else.
And what you have to learn is you have to
be adaptable. Right, everybody's going to do it a little
bit different. You got to find a way to not
(25:39):
only accept the coaching, but also learn how to communicate
best with that person. It might be allowed if you
have a thought, and this is one of those coaches
that hey, look, i'm this smart with a big circle
and you're this smart with the little dot in the middle.
That you had to try to make it their idea.
But if you try to make it their idea, they're
more receptive to implementing into a game plan. Whereas if
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I just went and said, hey, I think we need
to put this play, this play, this play, they'd be like, no,
we're not doing that. We've got our foundation, we know
what we are going to do.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
With different head coaches in different styles, And this is
the parallels between athletes and musicians are It's very similar
because now you have people telling you what songs are
good to what songs aren't, as you had coaches telling
you what play, what calls, what audibles are good, what aren't.
Why you should think this way? In that way, were
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there people that you had to listen to that you
knew they did not know near as much as you,
But you had to play the game and act like, okay,
I'm listening, but really you weren't.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
But you also have to be somebody that is going
to take the coaching regardless of whether or not you
agree with it, and somehow find a way to maneuver
through the minutia and all the stuff that they're saying
and get your point across, because at the end of
the day, especially for any you guys know as a
performer or a quarterback, in that you're the one out
there on the field performing, You're the one that's got
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to make the calls. You also are the one that's
going to be judged at the end of the day.
The coaches are sitting in the background, they've put together
a game plan, but if you don't like a play
that somebody put in, I'm I will be very open
about Hey, coach, I'm not comfortable with this. I don't
know if I can make it go. And it's not
because I hate the fact that he installed it. It's
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just like I'm more confident with something that we've practiced
during the week, we've repped, and now I can go
out there and execute at a high level. Call this
play twice, I don't care. But there's always that happy
medium of not pissing people off. But at the end
of the day, you're the guy that's got to go
out there and pull the trigger.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Are about songs with you like you ever saw here,
it's same you gotta get and executives like I don't
think this is a good song, right, I think this
is a good song, and you feel the opposite.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I mean for sure, and I think I mean
it's my opinion that I don't like to judge or
be judged all that much on outcomes. I mean, that's
what people do, but it's really the process that I'm
more concerned with that's gonna lead to good outcomes. Right,
(28:33):
So what I mean by that is I want to
know that we're making decisions based on, you know, everyone
being incentivized the right way for one thing, like you know,
if everyone if everyone eats or doesn't, based on the
success of as, if everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Has skin in the game. You know that it's my like.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Label management, publishing, even band whatever, If we're incentivized the
right way, if we have a system that does that,
which is just basically you know, for me, it's been
does the song do well or do not? Then at
least the decision makers in the room are not are
incentivized for that to work and not for them to
be right, let's say, because it's the different the real
(29:17):
key difference to me between sports and music pop music
like we make you know, like popular music, like whatever
the genre is, but is Sports is much more objective
at the end of sixty minutes, there is a final score.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know, unless you go over an overtime whatever. But
you get my point.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Music is so much more You're targeting like kind of
a moving target that if you chase too much it
doesn't work out, and you're trying to get ahead of
it a little bit. It's almost like leading a skeet
when you're shooting a gun kind of. But it's the
process that in not so much the outcome. So if
we made a good decision with the process, you got
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to believe that over time those outcomes are going to
be more than they would if you hit the lottery,
because that happens in our business.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
A lot Fascinated with you, guys at Parallel and one more,
One more, One more Parallel, Matt, your song prayed for
you as a monster. It was a wedding song, it
was a number one song.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's you've had.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You've put up multiple versions because it was so big,
like I don't know, like you'd like played one with.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
This five drink? Is that a six you sing it?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I don't know, but it got so big it get
you put out all these different versions.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
It's like oreos where they change the stuffing in it. Yeah, yeah,
and so concept, but concept everybody wants that from you.
And you've done a lot in your career, but everybody
wants that because that was your biggest thing. And so
it's always like play pray for you. And with Castle
you've done so much and play with different teams and
had successive places, but it's probably always like, hey, when
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Brady got hurt. Yeah, I would assume that, as grateful
as both of you are for the opportunities that you
were given, that sometimes you're like, I gotta tell this
freaking story again. Any truth in that Castle?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You're saying that when people say that, do I get annoyed?
Not annoyed, because I think you understand.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Do you think is that one thing being such a
dominant part of the narrative of you outside looking in
you knowing that your life is much more complex and dynamic,
What is that like, is that what you're asking?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
You know you're gonna get asked every single time, every
step in you know it.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, I'm known as a Patriot more than anything else
that I did in my career. And I played fourteen years,
and it was probably based on the simple fact that
it was such a polarizing time because Tom Brady won
the MVP of the Year before we were in the
Super Bowl, first game out of the year, guy that
hadn't started since high school, and so everybody looked at
that season, particularly Patriot fans but fans alike, and said,
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what is this slappy gonna do? And to go out
and win eleven games and go eleven and five, it
was a defining moment, not only for me in my
career but in my life. It set me up to
go on and achieve other things as well, and I
went to the Can't City. I went to the Pro
Bowl in twenty ten. Nobody even knows that, I don't think,
but that's fine with me because I know what I
(32:11):
was able to do, especially coming with the story that
I had not ever started in a game in high
school and then just wanting to get my foot in
the door. Getting that opportunity the final year of my contract,
which if I don't play that year, Let's be honest, guys,
I'm not I didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Have the career that I had at all.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I might maybe get on to another team as a
practice squad, but it set everything else up in motion.
So I'm totally fine when people say that because it
was a good time in my life and it was
something that was an opportunity in front of me. It
was given to me and it's whether or not you
capitalize on it, and I was able to capitalize on it,
and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Did you have a process though, well, for a while
like I got I which people wud ask about something else,
But now years you, with time, you can appreciate what
it is.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I can't, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I think it was more so when I was still
playing in the league and different for different organizations when
you're starting for a different organization. But everybody still wanted
to go back talk about that season because again, I know,
it's an interesting story. I think that was probably more
annoying than what let's talk about the now, what we're
doing now. But as you get remove yourself from the game.
(33:15):
Now it's my fifth year out talking about it is
totally acceptable to me, and I embrace it.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Actually, it's a lot of fun to talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
And you know, you were going to talk about it
every time you do a new interview one hundred percent. Okay, Matt,
Still you got this massive song. You've got other number
it's not your only number one, but this song is
your monster.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, thoughts, Well, it definitely defines you, and I think
you know, in in entertainment, especially in music and in
country music. Right, the brand quote unquote ends up being
you're the You're the protagonist in the song. You know,
so I'm connected with that song that as necessarily the part.
Like I wrote that song about one of my co
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writers meeting her husband like the day before, right, I'm
telling that story. That's how I view this song, Like
I'm I'm because that's my favorite kind of music, is
like you know, storytelling stuff or whatever. Like you know,
Kenny Rodgers didn't meet a hobo in a train car
that taught him how to play poker, right, Like that's
a character in the same way that that person in
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the character or that person in my song is not
so much me. But I love the song. I mean, yeah,
you want to I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Know, you got to play it through.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
It's like, I'm proud to play it every night though,
Like I worked so all I ever wanted to do
was for anyone to give about a song I wrote.
And I thought it would be about different stuff than
what I I didn't think that would be the song
that did it, but it did it. And now that
I look back on it, and now that I'm married
now and it you know, now that I'm in.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
A place in my life where there's like a person
that I care the most.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
About, it's it is like that song has been refreshed
to me. And like, I know how big a deal
it is for people to include that song in a
wedding or in an anniversary or to say that that's
the song that matters to them, you know, like it
it's even more of like a compliment, like I've I've
come more than full circle on that.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, I didn't think I'd be the wedding song guy,
but you know, hey, it's a good thing to have.
I mean, yeah, hey, wedding song. I give it to
me every time.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Weddings, there's a lot of people getting married. People people
get married and sometimes they get married a lot. There's
more marriages than couples.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Sometimes you drink, you drink coffee with their cast. No,
I don't have a coffee. I already had two coffees
was drinking.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I drank that much coffee every day of a or
of a single origin being of somewhere in a subtropical climate,
and a poreover that I grind and make every day
like a burist in my house.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I hate coffee. Yeah, well, did you ever do it
with a little bit of creamer in there? Hate? I'll
tell you what, it's fantasy.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I never even taste a coffee until I did Dancing
with the Stars. But because I was doing radio show, training, traveling,
doing step and I was like, I'm about to die,
I tried coffee. And that's only I was my thirty
forever tet. Awful the fact that you got it. I
can't acquire that taste.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
It's the reason, it's the reason I want tomorrow to happen.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, I'm really I love coffee. And it could be
the worst cup of coffee. I could go into like
a local gas station and just be like, oh, this
has been here for twenty four hours.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I'm still going to drink the hell out of it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And I'm such a like, I'm like Bobby wood clothes
about coffee, Like I am snooty and I am.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Where did that come from? But what are you talking about?
I am? I am highbrow, I am exquisite.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I get less than less offended. I am luxurious about
my coffee. And I don't put anything in it. It's
just about the bean and where it's from.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You research this, I'm guessing you go. Do you dive
deep in the woods. There's coffee shops within, you know,
like I could. I could.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You could throw a football and hit some of my
favorite coffee shops here. And they just source these beans
from all over the world. They have different flavor notes.
Like you ever hear people that are douches about wine
and the flavor notes wine, it's the same. It's I'm
a coffee douche.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Oh you know what I am.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm a tartar douche. I just found out you ever
had I like some really good beef tartar. They making
fun of you and they put like a little egg,
look you taste it. I never tast I never had alcohol,
so I don't know what wine tastes like. So I
never got to do the cool thing where it's like
but add some tartar made and they do it in
front of you and they give you a little spoon
and like is this to your liking?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
And I'm like, yeah, that'll do.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I finally got to do that. It was yes, Matts Tel,
you're playing you playing shows.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, I gotta go to Florida in the morning.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well not like today, like this is where I go. Hey,
promote your.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Whatever, Like I don't know, man, I got I got
music everywhere. You can find me everywhere, and I'm hilarious
on social media, so enjoy enjoy that audience.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Instagram at Matt Style, on TikTok, Matt Stelle music. Did
you know he is uh like he studied religion like
he's his masters. He got like he's gonna go be
a doctor, decided to do music instead.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I can see that. It's a brilliant mind in there.
There's no doubt about you when he's just a caffeinated mind.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Studied religion? What was just was it religious history? What's
the one you did?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah? What what didn't you like? Yeah, let's go there,
let's get all right, religion is ranked coming next. Yeah, yeah,
how did what did you study?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I studied really majored in philosophy and religion. My undergraduate
I was interested in, uh, not so much answering questions,
but I did. I didn't know this at the time,
but I basically have a degree in critical thinking, right,
and uh, you know I come from I come from
a Christian evangelical background, and I was interested in those
questions and where those.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Kinds of things come from.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And I learned a whole lot, changed my perspective a
whole lot when I encountered new not even new ideas,
So I just encountered different ideas. But really I have
a degree, I suppose in critical thinking my undergraduate and
then my masters is somewhat similar. It's sort of been
rhetoric and power struggles between groups.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I mean, looks dumb and rock smartest could.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Be, I mean smart as can be. Yeah, it's not
I have a degree in critical thinking. Mine was just
in communications and I don't know what I read. That's
what my masters is in this communication.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Matt.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Still, thank you very much for coming by. Yeah, you're welcome,
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
You guys.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Can I ask a question Why did you Why did
you invite my wife and I to play pickleball? And
then we couldn't make it and haven't since, and it's
been beautiful. Is it because she is an unbelievable pickleball
player and will just beat the dust out of you
and us?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Great question? Uh? And I have a great answer for that.
So I invited you and your wife to play, and
I said, hey, come over, we're playing. And my phone died.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh my, that was a great excuse.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
He turned it off pH a lot when I was
datd it literally died, and I was and I've I
was like, I told George Burge, both of our mutual friend.
I was like inviting Matt, but I've earn anything back.
And I was like, oh, my phone died, and so
as soon as it came on, I was like, yeah,
I'll be over. And I was like, oh god, that's
like forty five minutes ago, so so on me. But
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then we left the country. We've been gone and you
had the flu. Yes, true or false?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's true. Yeah, so you have the flu until we
left the country. So you're saying this is just a
timing issue and it's not should read anything more proving
it with data. Okay, I'm a dad, I'm a slave
to data.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yes, so if we're looking at game tape here, that's
exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
And yes, he Castle's the pick awall player. I mean
pretty strong bullet points right there. Yeah, I got them.
My wife is the best ping pong.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I cannot score fifteen points on my wife playing ping pong,
and I'm not terrible. But in my DEFICITI she grew
up with a carpeted basement. So it tells you all
you need to know.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I would choose to rephrase that, but we're not rephraising
things different on the show.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Let's say at Matt Sell music on TikTok. All right,
thanks guys, here's the game.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Okay, if we had to equate NFL players with celebrities,
you would compare the current player with a current.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Pop culture figure.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'd like to hear something, for example, and I have
a few of these.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I will go.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Patrick Mahomes and Drake that that is my parallel. Here's
why one they win? They all they do is except recently,
except recently. They they win constantly, except recently, polarizing because
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of how much they win. They're constantly in the goat combos,
even though they're not the actual goat yet.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh very strong bullet points. So I would go Drake
and Patrick Mahomes. You're up all.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Right, Well you mentioned Drake, I'm gonna have to go
in that same realm. I'm gonna go Kendrick Lamar and
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Well, why they.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Both just were at the super Bowl and performed at
the super Bowl. Jalen Hurts slayed the dragon, so to speak,
beat his biggest rival, and Kendrick Lamar absolutely served up
some humble pie to Drake at the super Bowl. He won,
even even if the lawsuit might come along, Who cares?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
That was amazing. You want to just right there?
Speaker 4 (43:02):
I mean he performed in front of how many millions
of people and just I've completely had Serena Williams up
there crip walking.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
This is isn't even a competition, but you one round one?
Next up, Josh Allen, Chris Pratt lovable, great athletic, Yes, thick,
very thick. Does it always get the critical respect that
they deserve because of their like lovable thickness, But people
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love them?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
But both of them. Of course I would go Josh
Allen Chris Pratt.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
I think that's a fantastic celebrity NFL player comparison. Let's
go with my boy Matt Stafford, and I'm going to
go with Matt Stafford and Brad Pitt. Matt Stafford is
now considered one of the elders of the NFL community.
Brad Pitt, obviously, he's been around for a real long time,
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been very successful. He's consider are a little bit older
of an actor, but guess what, they're still getting it done.
They're still making hits, they're still dominating their profession, and
they're a little bit older, but they.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Still got it. That's all I gotta say. They still
got it.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
When you're older as a male and somebody, you know,
like a lady comes up and says something to you,
and it's like, gosh, that made me feel good.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I still got it. That's a good one. They still
got it.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Derrick Henry, you're going to compare to Derrick Henry Jason Momoa. Oh,
I like that absolute tanks of the Humans. Both superheroes
look great in whatever superhero or football costume uniform they're wearing.
I'm going Derrick Henry Jason momoa.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I love that. I love that, and they both have
the long hair. I mean, it all works all right.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Let's see Robert Downey Junior and Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh a coach? Nice? I went Kyle Shann't because guess what.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
They're all really well respect in their profession, thought of
as one of the top in their profession. But neither
one of them have won the big award. Shanahan's never
won a super Bowl, Robert Downey Junior has never won
an Oscar.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
That's a great one. I didn't even think to go coach.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Well, I have thought coaches sometimes might be a little
bit easier, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I mean, I obviously didn't. Again, I didn't think coach.
That was really good. I'm gonna go retired Tom Brady.
Can I guess who you're gonna go with? Yeah, Taylor Swift,
George Cloney, Oh darn it.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Tom Brady, George Cloney, ageless, okay, polished, freaking iconic walks
into any room, and it's just like, that's MF and
George Clooney or MF and Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
That's that, dude. I love it.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
That actually is a beautiful comparison as well. I went
Taylor Swift because they're both polarizing figures.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Either love them or hate them.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
They've got their little group like Brady's got Boston whoever
else really likes them, and then Taylor.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Swift haves her Swifties.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
But other than those people, there's a lot of people
that just dislike them want to see him fail.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
That's why I say, and a lot of times out
of jealousy, just jealous because they've been successful. They're good
at everything that they do.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
There's nothing that you can sit there and go, oh God,
I wish I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
How any more? You got uh, let's see? Uh? How
about Timothy Charalama, Oh I got a challame, went too?
Do you Yours is going to be better? Though I
stretch with the mine. Well, I just kind of went
him with, say a brock party, that's what I have?
Do you swear to God?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Come on, I swear great minds, thinking like, look, you're
the very best friend that.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
What does that say? Brock party equals.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
A small frame? You go first, You go first, small
frame kind of up and coming. Both have proven themselves
in some way, but everybody there's still always going to
be their doubters because they kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, and I have to with Timothy Shallamy and Brock Purty.
Constantly people are telling you why they're not the person exactly,
like that's it not that good. He's too skinny, I'm
not shallow me like, he can't be an action he
does doomed too, He's freaking awesome. Brock Pertty. Yeah, I
had I had that one. Okay, okay, okay, let meet
you another one here. Someone are terrible? How about Aaron
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Rodgers Walking Phoenix?
Speaker 3 (47:41):
I like that one. Weird, very weird.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
But both of them are very weird, mysterious, genius level
like talent one on the on the field one acting,
both off the grid type people but undeniable when locked in.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Mm yes, like the Joker. Oh the method acting, I
mean it's.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
And Aaron Rodgers slicing defenses up like when he's healthy
and on methodical nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, so much fun to watch. Let's I love it.
Let's go one more each If you have one more, I've.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Got, let's do Kanye West and Tyreek Hill, Oh boy,
because guess what they beat to their own drum.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
They don't give a crap what other people think. They
beat to their own drum? That would be right, because
I think the term is drummed to their own beat. Yeah. Well,
but but they do beat to their own drum. Yeah,
I'm just coming up with something new. No exactly.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Maybe it's me and Kanye then, okay, because I say
stuff whatever I want and I don't give a good
crap what anybody else thinks. Okay, That's where I'm at
right now. And I just think that those two they're
highly successful. They go out, they perform, but it's done
in a way that it's always going to be their way.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I give you one more.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Okay, you didn't like that one as much. I can
feel it in your bones, No bones, I can feel
it in your.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Bobby I do they do drum to their own beat
and beat their own drum?
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Or whatever? You said?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
What if I did like the rock in Matt Castle,
except I can find no, no, nothing.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
He's a better entertainer, he's more fit. Okay.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Julian Edelman and Mark Wahlberg, I could see that Boston
scrappy as crap.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
I mean, Julian's from California, But you think of them,
that's true. That's true. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Did I pee in a single cheerio you had?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
When you think of Edelman, you think of the freaking
page of Boston.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yes short, I mean, because yes they are.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Wahlburg is not a tall guy.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Had to figure it out differently, like they both had
to come up and figure it out a bit, deffinitely
non traditionally and just kind of won't be ignored type.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Well, you crushed that one because I had one hundred
percent agree with that.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Edelman was played quarterback in college. Yeah, do you know what?
At Yellow Kent State? Kent State? Thank you in State?
And then Wahlberg was Marky Mark and funky.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Bunch, I mean, how yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
The other was New Kids on the Block. I know.
I used to love New Kids on the Block. I
secretly did, but not publicly.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
No, I publicly showed them love everywhere I went. I
think I even did lip sing to them when I
was in grade school. Crush all all four of them
or five of them?
Speaker 3 (50:26):
You know which song?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Please don't go care, O, baby gonna get to you.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Care step on So good. That's good.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
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Speaker 3 (50:55):
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Speaker 1 (50:58):
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Speaker 3 (51:04):
So thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
A big thanks to Matt Stell for coming in, and
to Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones and we'll see you
next week. This is Lots to Say, Lots to Say
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