February 19, 2025 • 25 mins
Is free speech dead in the UK? Actor & Producer Matthew Marsden joins Buck Sexton to break down Britain’s crackdown on "offensive" speech, why Gen X is pushing back, and how the Left wants to bring the same censorship to the U.S. They dive into Europe’s decline, J.D. Vance’s warning, and why the next generation might be more conservative than ever.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Matthew Marsden of The Matthew Marsden Show. Some people are
saying the greatest export of the United Kingdom probably all time,
even better than Elton John. Some people say he is
(00:34):
joining us. Now, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm good mate, Yeah, yeah, better than Elton John. That's yeah,
that's quite something.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I believe it's Sir Elton John, Sir Elton John. But yes,
probably true Elton John.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Elton John.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Well, You're Trump is better than mine. I'm impressed here.
Trump is very good. So speaking of the UK and exports,
looks like they're trying to import fascism. Kind of a
rough turn there, You get what I'm saying. Though, I've
seen ever since the jd Vance speech, everybody has been
looking around at what's going on in Europe a little
(01:14):
bit more and hearing these bureaucrats say that you can
get arrested for saying mean things online. And this is
a real I keep thinking that people in the US
refuse to I keep coming across rather people in the
US who refuse to believe this is a real thing.
Right Like in the UK, Oh, if you say mean
things about migrants in particular, they'll show up and they'll
(01:35):
arrest you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's absolutely shocking. I mean,
but when I was growing up ware where's growing up?
I mean, my you know, my uncles were cops, and
the police that the the the cops there have just
become an absolute joke, you know. I mean, like I
was literally talking to someone the other n They're saying, now,
if something happens to you, they have to you have
(01:59):
to email them, right literally, you can't call them anymore,
you have to email them. And I didn't realize, I mean,
when I first came to America, I realized that I
wasn't free. Right in the UK, I thought that I was,
but it was an illusion of freedom. And since Starmer's
got in, he has gone all on Stazi, like you
(02:19):
cannot say anything. It's like, you know, it's a charm
and seah if you say something such feel our fans
the other parts and then she must go to jail.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
And it's like it's unbelievable. What's going on in Europe.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But what's worse is actually it's not just the fact
that they are coming after people literally for memes right
as you said, they are trying to stop people even.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thinking those things. This is the weird thing.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's it's so weird, and it's just accelerated massively with.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Starma is there is there push see and for people
who say, because I get this, sometimes even the radio,
why are we talking about Europe, We've problemsed you in
America Because exactly what they are doing in Europe is
what the Democrat Party wants to do here. And I
think it's important for people to see that. You know,
if Chuck could lock you up as an American for saying,
(03:14):
you know that you don't want millions of illegals pouring
into the country, he would do it. I mean, Kamala
would definitely do it. Like these are people who would
use the force of that. We saw it during COVID too.
There's no question during member during COVID, if you if
you gathered to protest the idiotic restrictions and face masks,
it was you were a public health danger. But if
you wanted to pray to Saint George Floyd, the hardened
(03:36):
felon who died in an interaction with a police officer.
Then that was okay. So we all know that the
fascist impulse or the authoritarian impulse, same thing, very alive
and well here. But I do think that, I mean,
you're thinking about the Germans. I'm sure you saw in
sixty minutes they do this, like the Germans common They
knocked like, have you been sharing some memes? And if
(03:58):
the answer is yes, if you've been sharing memes that
they that they did decide are too nasty, film find
you and maybe even put you in prison. I always
say to people too, it's not like they always think
this makes them the nice people. And I have to
mind everybody. The people that are okay with this are
sending men with guns paid by this state to take
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away your freedom or shoot you. Because that's what actual
arrest means. It's if you do what I say, or
I'm gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I mean, you're right. It's like you must not
say it's a SATISFI and it's fat us. You'll go
to the Gulag, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It's you're mixing culture Germans Russian Gulag. You're mixing the culture.
But I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
You're doing you're doing well.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But but you know, I mean, look, it's Europe has fallen.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, I was watching a Jdvan speech, which is
probably the greatest vice president speech.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, it was amazing, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Just I was saying to my Shawlight, the way that
it was written was brilliant. It was brilliantly written, brilliantly delivered,
and he just stands there like, I have no fs
to give now. I'm just telling you the way it is.
And the thing is, I had a friend of mine.
I got a friend of mine who I grew up with,
and I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
I grew up in a very poor, poor environment.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Where it was give me a little more of the buy.
Where in the UK? Where was this?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So I literally come from Mordor like where Tolkien based
Mordor on.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I come from what's it called?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So it's in the Midlands. It's it's a place called
West Bromwich. So if you are you a fan of
like heavy metal music, do you like heavy metal music?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, like, like I know some of it, you
know what I mean. I wouldn't say I'm an aficionado,
but I'm familiar.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So I come from where Judas Priest comes from.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh yeah, I know Judas Priest. Okay, yeah, I thought
we were going to get like obscure here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now they're like literally lived across the street from where
I grew up.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So it was rough. But but my friend who was.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
A Granadier guarde for years, he texted me the other
day and he was like.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Did you see jd Vance's speech? It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So what you've got and this is it's really important
from Americans to understand because I think that we kind
of like look especially for the English speaking countries, and
think that they're the same. Right, like Oscuar said, we're
two countries separated by a common language. It's not true.
Americans still have the frontiersman spirit. They still have that
(06:30):
rebellious attitude, like you're not going to tell me what
to do. And a lot of that comes from the
fact that you can go outside and you can still
get eaten by an animal, right that that does not
happen in Europe. And so, but there are people over
there Europe. Is that for whatever the people want to
say in the mainstream media, it's worse over there, buck
like they've got no alternative media.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
They are looking to America saying save us.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So if you're if you're there, if you're like like
some like burly British guy from what hole? Right, they're
tough guys from hole? Is that is that right? That area?
I'm right from the north and I'm like, you know,
did we do all the familiar? Do you are those
guys okay? With all like the DEI training and this,
you know, you see what I mean? Like because in
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this country, yes, half the country believes in this, in
this secular idea, that this secular religion of madness that
is this modern democrat amalgamation, wokeness whatever. But in the UK,
but half of us think that they're insane, right, you're
telling me that half doesn't exist in the UK. Really,
Like there's not actually a robust, large opposition party who's
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saying things like, yeah, we need to be able to
say things that offend people, even people who are immigrants,
even people who are non white and that's just the
way it's gonna be, because that's what freedom means.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That there are people that think it there's not a
real party. So I think that what you have it's
slightly different there, because what you have is you have
like Generation X, like Generation X and older. That's the
football hooligan generation. So literally we would go and watch
the soccer every week and there would be fights right
(08:11):
every weekend between the different two soccer teams, and it
was just you just used to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And that was kind of the way.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That that that generation would kind of like get out
that aggression, the depression or whatever it was living in
a crappy area and they would do that. And that
was gradually phased out over the years, right to make
it it's more like I'm going to go and eat
my prawn sandwich at the football now, right. But there's
still an entire generation of people out there that love
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a good fight, right in all honesty that they're they're
a little bit more in the if they're in America,
they would be they go hunting, if you know what
I mean, Like they'd have a way of being able
to express themselves as men right and over there it's
like what are you going to do? You get into
a fight? Right, And I know that might sound really reductive,
(09:02):
but it's true. So what you've got is you've got
a bunch of people out there now it's the Generation X.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Actually, the youngsters kind of like here, like.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The youngsters right now in America are becoming the most
conservative of it for a very very long time. Right, yeah,
But what you have, you've got like the kind of
rough and ready guys that kind of grew up in
Thatchers Britain that we're told, like Reagan, you can go
and achieve whatever you want, and they did, and they're like,
(09:32):
hang on a second, we don't like this, we don't
like what's going on. But then you've got another group.
I'd say the other half are like la la la
la la la la la. I don't want to accept it.
So it's not quite the same as here. It's not
quite that they're they're always in the UK. They're a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
To the right center and a little bit to the
left of the center.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Right, there's not like the big swings like we have here.
So I think you've got an elite that is pushing
the agenda.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right, yeah, no, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, like we've seen with the USA, you've got an elite.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But then you've got a bunch of people that really
hate it, and a bunch of people that just don't
want to don't want to admit that it exists.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right. What's funny because I think we talked I think
we talked about this, But I went to Scotland and
my wife on vacation two years ago in the summer,
and and you know, Americans have this very our view,
you know, the same way that I think foreigners sometimes
have a cartoonish view of Well, America is so big
and there's so many different regions and cultures that you know,
it's hard even for Americans to kind of understand the
(10:35):
full scope of like what what's going on here? But
foreigners do come here and they're just like, oh, it's
just all like cheeseburgers and everyone weighs six hundred pounds
and goes to six Flags, great adventure. We have a
little bit of that, I think as Americans would it
comes to Scotland though, because we think brave heart, bagpipes
and like whiskey, right, like that's kind of our and
and but it's a beautiful country, Like I love it.
I thought it was amazing as a place to visit.
(10:57):
But they're communists basically, I mean they're they're like, oh,
it's like a socialist country effectively in terms of what
their beliefs are and their healthcare system. I know there,
you know, are they under the NHS. Are they different
the NHS.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
They're under the NHS, They're on the NHS. So so
this whole there is no you mentioned the frontier spirit
like we would think of like the Highlanders. The Highlanders
is like for the tourists, like the real Highlanders that
the people live up there are like where's my where's
my socialized medicine and my free stuff? It's a little depressing.
I was like, this isn't what I thought. There's no
there's no William Wallace running around here. There's no spirit
(11:33):
of William Wallace. So a little bit of you, like.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Bell Gibson's full of crap, it's not the way. No.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But you know, the funny thing is, Buck, it's actually
like the old working class and actually the newer working class,
but the old working class that grew up, as I said,
in Faches Britain, that actually made something of themselves that
they were taught, they were told, listen, you go out there,
you can do something, you can make something of yourself,
Like they are the more edgy and the aristocracy and
(11:59):
the more middle class that kind of like inherited them money.
They're the socialists, right, they're the ones that are you know, oh,
you know, we've got to let them in.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean literal but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
A soft generation.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's very soft. And I mean, look, I
was talking to someone that in near where I come from.
It is a place called Warsaw and wlsa double L, right, Walsall,
And they've been bringing all these migrants, migrants in. I
hate the words illegal aliens because we all know that
it's a trojan horse, right. The asylum seeker is just bullshit,
(12:33):
It's not true. It's a trojan horse. So they they
were bringing them into a local hotel there, and somebody
that I know was like, you can't walk down the streets.
They're just hanging around outside the hotel. People got to
understand that this is what they're doing with their phones
and whatever, standing outside the hotel. And I said, isn't
(12:54):
that like dangerous? Like is that like an goo area?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Literally?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
The next week, a girl that worked at the hotel,
she had an argument with one of the migrants about
something that he was by from the snack shop, you know,
because I think they have like you know, when you
go into the miss Westerns whatever, help this out and
you pick it and then you take it it, followed
it to the train station, stabbed it to death, and
(13:23):
I'm like, guys, wake up. These our societies are just
not compatible. They're just not compatible.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
If you if you say that stuff, and if you
say that stuff in Germany they lock you up. Hold
on one second here, we'll come back to this. I
actually want to talk to you about about Elon and
the government waste in a second. I agree with you,
by the way, in the on the social compatibility or
lack thereof of different cultures. This is this is really
the This is where the tectonic plates of civilization are
rubbing and creating friction and earthquakes, and it's it's not good.
(13:56):
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stuff that's coming out here is wild, and I keep
needing to take a moment to say, hold on, Elon.
I mean, I think Elon's a genius. I think that's
(14:59):
fair to say Elon's a genius, especially in this area
of efficiency and problem solving at the highest level for
large organizations like he. Just this is as good at this,
if not the best at this in the world. There's
stuff coming out that's just insane though. I mean, you're
talking about I'm trying to pull some of this stuff
(15:20):
up as I'm talking to you, because the numbers. To me,
you sit here and you go, how is it possible
that I mean, for example, there are three hundred and
ninety million social security numbers that are active in this country.
There's three hundred and thirty million people. It's not like
we got a million extra. We got sixty million extra
in the system somehow, and they can't figure this out.
That doesn't that doesn't inspire confidence.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Well, you know what as well, they've got like one
person who is three hundred and forty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean, you can't make it up. There's not even
like they didn't even.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Stop and say, like, you know, when you go and
get your drive in you driving tests, you're driving license,
They're like, well, you know, you're sixty five now you
should probably go and get your eyes tested, like somebody's
out there, like count Dracula, take in curity. I was
just wondering about do you think that this is these
(16:15):
are such security numbers that they've given to illegals, and
they're just like Okay, just take them because they do
have them.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Do you think that's what it is or do you
think they just scam in the system. No.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think that there's a I don't know what the
portion is. I think there are millions of fraudulent social
Security numbers in the system because of illegals. I mean
I know that that I that uh, social security fraud
in that sense, right, like having a fake soci Security
number or it's identity fraud or document fraud. I know
(16:48):
that that happens in large numbers with illegal immigrants. So yeah,
I've got to think you know, with legal aliens, we're
allowed to say that. Again, by the way, it was
the legal term for my entire life until Joe Biden.
So I think that's I think that's a part of it.
But this stuff is is crazy. I mean when when
you're talking about uh, and the thing is, I just
(17:09):
want to I want all to be verified because I
don't want to start saying numbers that. But here's something
I tell everybody, Uh, Matthew, it has long been understood
that Medicare fraud. Just Medicare, which is a huge program,
but it's only one thing, the estimate, and no one
has ever like said this is crazy, just agrees with
the estimate of Medicare fraud in the United States yearly
(17:30):
is sixty to eighty billion dollars. Now that's what they
were willing to tell us about, and just sort of
cost of business, like, oh, it's sixty eight eighty billion
a year. I think Elon's gonna find Medicare fraud is
actually two to three times that, which would mean that
you're talking about at least one hundred billion plus maybe
one hundred and fifty billion of Medicare fraud, which is
(17:52):
stunning that that's and that's money that the taxpayers are sending,
not just to American you know, doctors who aren't actually
doing the procedures and stuff. That's one way they're sending
it to like random medical consortiums overseas because they have
you know, it's an overseas bank account. They don't even
they're not even doctors like, they don't. It's just a scam.
All things are scam now, I.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Mean, it's it's You've got to wonder, haven't you. I Mean,
you know, we've been gas lit so much.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
By the Left you have to look and say, well,
I'm on a second.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Like why, why does any politician, Why is any politician
upset with the fact that Elon Musk is cutting waste?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Like how is that a.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Winning argument for the left? Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, you know he's found that we're giving like fifty
million dollars to study shrimps.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
On a treadmill. I mean, and people can't afford their groceries.
It's it's just dumb.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So I think that what we're seeing is, you know,
it's it's really an amazing time to be alive, actually,
because we're going to see the corruption and we're going
to see why people are behaving in this illogical manner.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Right, because if I'm on the right, if I'm on.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
The right or I'm on the left, and someone uncovers fraud,
I'm going to be happy about it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Right, you'd think that.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
But it's only one and right now, and I do
want to preface this with this buck is right now,
it's only the left.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
They're not the only.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Ones on the take right, Let's be completely clear about this. Right,
they're not the only ones. And I'm all for it,
like expose more and I think it's the greatest advertisement
for small government that you will ever see. Like these
budgets need to come in. They need to be locally controlled, right.
We need to be looking at what we're spending, just
(19:39):
even in our own cities, in our own you know,
municipal areas, and then it should go out like that
from there, and the government, you know, should just be out.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Of all of it.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
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(20:59):
So that's a pretty cool, pretty cool thing about movies. Though,
I wanted to ask you this, there's been a cultural
shift in corporate America where they're no longer you're spitting
in the face of half the country and saying what
are you going to do about it? Companies are now like, hey, like,
maybe maybe we shouldn't, you know, hate on one hundred
and sixty million people or something like that. So is
(21:24):
this going to affect the more creative industries? You think,
as in, can we just get some TV series that
aren't like woke trash being made by Netflix, Amazon, et cetera.
Or is that just am I hoping for too much
even in the Trump era.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
No, I think, by the way, I do have a
back creek up as well, so I just wanted to
we go good man, I do have one. I think
that there will be a pushback just because Hollywood loves
money and they're not making it. In fact, they're losing
(21:58):
a hand over fist. I mean what you're seeing with
you know, Captain America, it's going to lose a ton
of money, which it shouldn't really, I mean, it shouldn't
lose a ton of money, but the whole concept was terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
They've they've probably sunk like three hundred odd million into it.
But I think that that what you're not going to find.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
You saw it in the bafters right like you saw
it with the bafters yesterday, and they were all like, oh,
try And the funny thing was everyone's like, you guys
are irrelevant and boring. You're seeing that there's a transgender
I don't know how you break it up, but going
for the Oscar for Best Actress. So it's it's deeply
(22:39):
ingrained in the actual people like the actors, but there
are a lot of people like like, you know, someone
like Jerry brookhim and I was out to make a
great film, and I was there to make a great
TV show.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know, Michael Bay, same thing. And they're not woke
at all.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So if the studio decides to change course, then they
have all the facilities and the ability to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What I would like to see, buck is the people
that have been ostracized the industry, like me, that have actually.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Been in the industry and done stuff, create things outside
because we need to be able. We can't go through
it's going to be cyclical again, right, Like we need
to start curating the arts. It's really really important because
after Ronald Reagan, you know, Ronald Reagan one, from then on,
we started losing the culture war and that was a
(23:36):
massive mistake. And it's still really difficult. I mean, you're
here right, you're here on media right now. This is
the new media. New media changed the landscape for Donald
Trump and allowed him to win the election.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It really did help because everyone's tuning out of regular
you know, mainstream media. But there's an opportunity now for
us to invest in like us solved farts now to
mentor the younger generation to create things outside of the
studio system.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
We don't need them anymore. We have all the great stories.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So I think what I would like to do is
see more of a focus on conservatives funding stuff outside,
but not like this is a Christian movie, right. I
want to see like the Roy Benavidez story. That's what
I want to see. I want to see like that
you know they did Midway, right. These are the movies
that we can do, but we have a very small
(24:30):
window of opportunity because people like Mel Gibson, who's clearly
a genius still on all those guys, they're getting older.
So we need to be able to start funding these
projects and then conservatives.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Will come to them.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And again, like you mentioned earlier about Europe, it's really important.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I grew up loving Rocky and Rambo. I grew up
loving Rocky and Rambo. Rocky was the.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Movie that said to me, as a working class kid,
if you work hard enough, you can make it. And
that is a message that goes all the way across
the world, and if you think about it, but there
wasn't from two thousand after Week.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Came out with Black Hawk Down Yeah, was the pro
military movie for ten years.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, I know, it's remarkably you think about it. My
wife and I talk about this, We say, hey, bandon
Brothers as I think one of the best TV shows
ever made. I mean, at least for me, Like, I
just found it so engrossing, enjoyable, you know, everything you
want in a series. It's like, why not make more
series like that?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It doesn't have to be the same. It looks even
the same war, the same period. I'm just saying, you
know about men at arms, you know, make it realistic,
make the characters come to life, make it seem you know,
make it seem like it all matters. And instead, I mean,
it's just amazing. You go through Netflix, what is all
this trash they're making. They're just making crash all the time.
So I hope that all changes, and I hope you're
(25:52):
involved in some of it, mister Matthew Marsden. Always a pleasure, sir.
Good to see you and we will talk soon.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You got it, buddy, Thanks for having me.
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody back by popular demand.
Matthew Marsden of The Matthew Marsden Show. Some people are
saying the greatest export of the United Kingdom probably all time,
even better than Elton John. Some people say he is
(00:34):
joining us. Now, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm good mate, Yeah, yeah, better than Elton John. That's yeah,
that's quite something.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I believe it's Sir Elton John, Sir Elton John. But yes,
probably true Elton John.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Elton John.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Well, You're Trump is better than mine. I'm impressed here.
Trump is very good. So speaking of the UK and exports,
looks like they're trying to import fascism. Kind of a
rough turn there, You get what I'm saying. Though, I've
seen ever since the jd Vance speech, everybody has been
looking around at what's going on in Europe a little
(01:14):
bit more and hearing these bureaucrats say that you can
get arrested for saying mean things online. And this is
a real I keep thinking that people in the US
refuse to I keep coming across rather people in the
US who refuse to believe this is a real thing.
Right Like in the UK, Oh, if you say mean
things about migrants in particular, they'll show up and they'll
(01:35):
arrest you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's absolutely shocking. I mean,
but when I was growing up ware where's growing up?
I mean, my you know, my uncles were cops, and
the police that the the the cops there have just
become an absolute joke, you know. I mean, like I
was literally talking to someone the other n They're saying, now,
if something happens to you, they have to you have
(01:59):
to email them, right literally, you can't call them anymore,
you have to email them. And I didn't realize, I mean,
when I first came to America, I realized that I
wasn't free. Right in the UK, I thought that I was,
but it was an illusion of freedom. And since Starmer's
got in, he has gone all on Stazi, like you
(02:19):
cannot say anything. It's like, you know, it's a charm
and seah if you say something such feel our fans
the other parts and then she must go to jail.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
And it's like it's unbelievable. What's going on in Europe.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But what's worse is actually it's not just the fact
that they are coming after people literally for memes right
as you said, they are trying to stop people even.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thinking those things. This is the weird thing.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's it's so weird, and it's just accelerated massively with.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Starma is there is there push see and for people
who say, because I get this, sometimes even the radio,
why are we talking about Europe, We've problemsed you in
America Because exactly what they are doing in Europe is
what the Democrat Party wants to do here. And I
think it's important for people to see that. You know,
if Chuck could lock you up as an American for saying,
(03:14):
you know that you don't want millions of illegals pouring
into the country, he would do it. I mean, Kamala
would definitely do it. Like these are people who would
use the force of that. We saw it during COVID too.
There's no question during member during COVID, if you if
you gathered to protest the idiotic restrictions and face masks,
it was you were a public health danger. But if
you wanted to pray to Saint George Floyd, the hardened
(03:36):
felon who died in an interaction with a police officer.
Then that was okay. So we all know that the
fascist impulse or the authoritarian impulse, same thing, very alive
and well here. But I do think that, I mean,
you're thinking about the Germans. I'm sure you saw in
sixty minutes they do this, like the Germans common They
knocked like, have you been sharing some memes? And if
(03:58):
the answer is yes, if you've been sharing memes that
they that they did decide are too nasty, film find
you and maybe even put you in prison. I always
say to people too, it's not like they always think
this makes them the nice people. And I have to
mind everybody. The people that are okay with this are
sending men with guns paid by this state to take
(04:19):
away your freedom or shoot you. Because that's what actual
arrest means. It's if you do what I say, or
I'm gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I mean, you're right. It's like you must not
say it's a SATISFI and it's fat us. You'll go
to the Gulag, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It's you're mixing culture Germans Russian Gulag. You're mixing the culture.
But I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
You're doing you're doing well.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But but you know, I mean, look, it's Europe has fallen.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, I was watching a Jdvan speech, which is
probably the greatest vice president speech.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, it was amazing, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Just I was saying to my Shawlight, the way that
it was written was brilliant. It was brilliantly written, brilliantly delivered,
and he just stands there like, I have no fs
to give now. I'm just telling you the way it is.
And the thing is, I had a friend of mine.
I got a friend of mine who I grew up with,
and I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
I grew up in a very poor, poor environment.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Where it was give me a little more of the buy.
Where in the UK? Where was this?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So I literally come from Mordor like where Tolkien based
Mordor on.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I come from what's it called?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So it's in the Midlands. It's it's a place called
West Bromwich. So if you are you a fan of
like heavy metal music, do you like heavy metal music?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, like, like I know some of it, you
know what I mean. I wouldn't say I'm an aficionado,
but I'm familiar.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So I come from where Judas Priest comes from.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh yeah, I know Judas Priest. Okay, yeah, I thought
we were going to get like obscure here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now they're like literally lived across the street from where
I grew up.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So it was rough. But but my friend who was.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
A Granadier guarde for years, he texted me the other
day and he was like.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Did you see jd Vance's speech? It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So what you've got and this is it's really important
from Americans to understand because I think that we kind
of like look especially for the English speaking countries, and
think that they're the same. Right, like Oscuar said, we're
two countries separated by a common language. It's not true.
Americans still have the frontiersman spirit. They still have that
(06:30):
rebellious attitude, like you're not going to tell me what
to do. And a lot of that comes from the
fact that you can go outside and you can still
get eaten by an animal, right that that does not
happen in Europe. And so, but there are people over
there Europe. Is that for whatever the people want to
say in the mainstream media, it's worse over there, buck
like they've got no alternative media.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
They are looking to America saying save us.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So if you're if you're there, if you're like like
some like burly British guy from what hole? Right, they're
tough guys from hole? Is that is that right? That area?
I'm right from the north and I'm like, you know,
did we do all the familiar? Do you are those
guys okay? With all like the DEI training and this,
you know, you see what I mean? Like because in
(07:17):
this country, yes, half the country believes in this, in
this secular idea, that this secular religion of madness that
is this modern democrat amalgamation, wokeness whatever. But in the UK,
but half of us think that they're insane, right, you're
telling me that half doesn't exist in the UK. Really,
Like there's not actually a robust, large opposition party who's
(07:39):
saying things like, yeah, we need to be able to
say things that offend people, even people who are immigrants,
even people who are non white and that's just the
way it's gonna be, because that's what freedom means.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That there are people that think it there's not a
real party. So I think that what you have it's
slightly different there, because what you have is you have
like Generation X, like Generation X and older. That's the
football hooligan generation. So literally we would go and watch
the soccer every week and there would be fights right
(08:11):
every weekend between the different two soccer teams, and it
was just you just used to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And that was kind of the way.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That that that generation would kind of like get out
that aggression, the depression or whatever it was living in
a crappy area and they would do that. And that
was gradually phased out over the years, right to make
it it's more like I'm going to go and eat
my prawn sandwich at the football now, right. But there's
still an entire generation of people out there that love
(08:40):
a good fight, right in all honesty that they're they're
a little bit more in the if they're in America,
they would be they go hunting, if you know what
I mean, Like they'd have a way of being able
to express themselves as men right and over there it's
like what are you going to do? You get into
a fight? Right, And I know that might sound really reductive,
(09:02):
but it's true. So what you've got is you've got
a bunch of people out there now it's the Generation X.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Actually, the youngsters kind of like here, like.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The youngsters right now in America are becoming the most
conservative of it for a very very long time. Right, yeah,
But what you have, you've got like the kind of
rough and ready guys that kind of grew up in
Thatchers Britain that we're told, like Reagan, you can go
and achieve whatever you want, and they did, and they're like,
(09:32):
hang on a second, we don't like this, we don't
like what's going on. But then you've got another group.
I'd say the other half are like la la la
la la la la la. I don't want to accept it.
So it's not quite the same as here. It's not
quite that they're they're always in the UK. They're a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
To the right center and a little bit to the
left of the center.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Right, there's not like the big swings like we have here.
So I think you've got an elite that is pushing
the agenda.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right, yeah, no, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, like we've seen with the USA, you've got an elite.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But then you've got a bunch of people that really
hate it, and a bunch of people that just don't
want to don't want to admit that it exists.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right. What's funny because I think we talked I think
we talked about this, But I went to Scotland and
my wife on vacation two years ago in the summer,
and and you know, Americans have this very our view,
you know, the same way that I think foreigners sometimes
have a cartoonish view of Well, America is so big
and there's so many different regions and cultures that you know,
it's hard even for Americans to kind of understand the
(10:35):
full scope of like what what's going on here? But
foreigners do come here and they're just like, oh, it's
just all like cheeseburgers and everyone weighs six hundred pounds
and goes to six Flags, great adventure. We have a
little bit of that, I think as Americans would it
comes to Scotland though, because we think brave heart, bagpipes
and like whiskey, right, like that's kind of our and
and but it's a beautiful country, Like I love it.
I thought it was amazing as a place to visit.
(10:57):
But they're communists basically, I mean they're they're like, oh,
it's like a socialist country effectively in terms of what
their beliefs are and their healthcare system. I know there,
you know, are they under the NHS. Are they different
the NHS.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
They're under the NHS, They're on the NHS. So so
this whole there is no you mentioned the frontier spirit
like we would think of like the Highlanders. The Highlanders
is like for the tourists, like the real Highlanders that
the people live up there are like where's my where's
my socialized medicine and my free stuff? It's a little depressing.
I was like, this isn't what I thought. There's no
there's no William Wallace running around here. There's no spirit
(11:33):
of William Wallace. So a little bit of you, like.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Bell Gibson's full of crap, it's not the way. No.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But you know, the funny thing is, Buck, it's actually
like the old working class and actually the newer working class,
but the old working class that grew up, as I said,
in Faches Britain, that actually made something of themselves that
they were taught, they were told, listen, you go out there,
you can do something, you can make something of yourself,
Like they are the more edgy and the aristocracy and
(11:59):
the more middle class that kind of like inherited them money.
They're the socialists, right, they're the ones that are you know, oh,
you know, we've got to let them in.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean literal but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
A soft generation.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's very soft. And I mean, look, I
was talking to someone that in near where I come from.
It is a place called Warsaw and wlsa double L, right, Walsall,
And they've been bringing all these migrants, migrants in. I
hate the words illegal aliens because we all know that
it's a trojan horse, right. The asylum seeker is just bullshit,
(12:33):
It's not true. It's a trojan horse. So they they
were bringing them into a local hotel there, and somebody
that I know was like, you can't walk down the streets.
They're just hanging around outside the hotel. People got to
understand that this is what they're doing with their phones
and whatever, standing outside the hotel. And I said, isn't
(12:54):
that like dangerous? Like is that like an goo area?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Literally?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
The next week, a girl that worked at the hotel,
she had an argument with one of the migrants about
something that he was by from the snack shop, you know,
because I think they have like you know, when you
go into the miss Westerns whatever, help this out and
you pick it and then you take it it, followed
it to the train station, stabbed it to death, and
(13:23):
I'm like, guys, wake up. These our societies are just
not compatible. They're just not compatible.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
If you if you say that stuff, and if you
say that stuff in Germany they lock you up. Hold
on one second here, we'll come back to this. I
actually want to talk to you about about Elon and
the government waste in a second. I agree with you,
by the way, in the on the social compatibility or
lack thereof of different cultures. This is this is really
the This is where the tectonic plates of civilization are
rubbing and creating friction and earthquakes, and it's it's not good.
(13:56):
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stuff that's coming out here is wild, and I keep
needing to take a moment to say, hold on, Elon.
I mean, I think Elon's a genius. I think that's
(14:59):
fair to say Elon's a genius, especially in this area
of efficiency and problem solving at the highest level for
large organizations like he. Just this is as good at this,
if not the best at this in the world. There's
stuff coming out that's just insane though. I mean, you're
talking about I'm trying to pull some of this stuff
(15:20):
up as I'm talking to you, because the numbers. To me,
you sit here and you go, how is it possible
that I mean, for example, there are three hundred and
ninety million social security numbers that are active in this country.
There's three hundred and thirty million people. It's not like
we got a million extra. We got sixty million extra
in the system somehow, and they can't figure this out.
That doesn't that doesn't inspire confidence.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Well, you know what as well, they've got like one
person who is three hundred and forty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean, you can't make it up. There's not even
like they didn't even.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Stop and say, like, you know, when you go and
get your drive in you driving tests, you're driving license,
They're like, well, you know, you're sixty five now you
should probably go and get your eyes tested, like somebody's
out there, like count Dracula, take in curity. I was
just wondering about do you think that this is these
(16:15):
are such security numbers that they've given to illegals, and
they're just like Okay, just take them because they do
have them.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Do you think that's what it is or do you
think they just scam in the system. No.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I think that there's a I don't know what the
portion is. I think there are millions of fraudulent social
Security numbers in the system because of illegals. I mean
I know that that I that uh, social security fraud
in that sense, right, like having a fake soci Security
number or it's identity fraud or document fraud. I know
(16:48):
that that happens in large numbers with illegal immigrants. So yeah,
I've got to think you know, with legal aliens, we're
allowed to say that. Again, by the way, it was
the legal term for my entire life until Joe Biden.
So I think that's I think that's a part of it.
But this stuff is is crazy. I mean when when
you're talking about uh, and the thing is, I just
(17:09):
want to I want all to be verified because I
don't want to start saying numbers that. But here's something
I tell everybody, Uh, Matthew, it has long been understood
that Medicare fraud. Just Medicare, which is a huge program,
but it's only one thing, the estimate, and no one
has ever like said this is crazy, just agrees with
the estimate of Medicare fraud in the United States yearly
(17:30):
is sixty to eighty billion dollars. Now that's what they
were willing to tell us about, and just sort of
cost of business, like, oh, it's sixty eight eighty billion
a year. I think Elon's gonna find Medicare fraud is
actually two to three times that, which would mean that
you're talking about at least one hundred billion plus maybe
one hundred and fifty billion of Medicare fraud, which is
(17:52):
stunning that that's and that's money that the taxpayers are sending,
not just to American you know, doctors who aren't actually
doing the procedures and stuff. That's one way they're sending
it to like random medical consortiums overseas because they have
you know, it's an overseas bank account. They don't even
they're not even doctors like, they don't. It's just a scam.
All things are scam now, I.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Mean, it's it's You've got to wonder, haven't you. I Mean,
you know, we've been gas lit so much.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
By the Left you have to look and say, well,
I'm on a second.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Like why, why does any politician, Why is any politician
upset with the fact that Elon Musk is cutting waste?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Like how is that a.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Winning argument for the left? Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, you know he's found that we're giving like fifty
million dollars to study shrimps.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
On a treadmill. I mean, and people can't afford their groceries.
It's it's just dumb.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So I think that what we're seeing is, you know,
it's it's really an amazing time to be alive, actually,
because we're going to see the corruption and we're going
to see why people are behaving in this illogical manner.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Right, because if I'm on the right, if I'm on.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
The right or I'm on the left, and someone uncovers fraud,
I'm going to be happy about it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Right, you'd think that.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
But it's only one and right now, and I do
want to preface this with this buck is right now,
it's only the left.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
They're not the only.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Ones on the take right, Let's be completely clear about this. Right,
they're not the only ones. And I'm all for it,
like expose more and I think it's the greatest advertisement
for small government that you will ever see. Like these
budgets need to come in. They need to be locally controlled, right.
We need to be looking at what we're spending, just
(19:39):
even in our own cities, in our own you know,
municipal areas, and then it should go out like that
from there, and the government, you know, should just be out.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Of all of it.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
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(20:59):
So that's a pretty cool, pretty cool thing about movies. Though,
I wanted to ask you this, there's been a cultural
shift in corporate America where they're no longer you're spitting
in the face of half the country and saying what
are you going to do about it? Companies are now like, hey, like,
maybe maybe we shouldn't, you know, hate on one hundred
and sixty million people or something like that. So is
(21:24):
this going to affect the more creative industries? You think,
as in, can we just get some TV series that
aren't like woke trash being made by Netflix, Amazon, et cetera.
Or is that just am I hoping for too much
even in the Trump era.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
No, I think, by the way, I do have a
back creek up as well, so I just wanted to
we go good man, I do have one. I think
that there will be a pushback just because Hollywood loves
money and they're not making it. In fact, they're losing
(21:58):
a hand over fist. I mean what you're seeing with
you know, Captain America, it's going to lose a ton
of money, which it shouldn't really, I mean, it shouldn't
lose a ton of money, but the whole concept was terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
They've they've probably sunk like three hundred odd million into it.
But I think that that what you're not going to find.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
You saw it in the bafters right like you saw
it with the bafters yesterday, and they were all like, oh,
try And the funny thing was everyone's like, you guys
are irrelevant and boring. You're seeing that there's a transgender
I don't know how you break it up, but going
for the Oscar for Best Actress. So it's it's deeply
(22:39):
ingrained in the actual people like the actors, but there
are a lot of people like like, you know, someone
like Jerry brookhim and I was out to make a
great film, and I was there to make a great
TV show.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know, Michael Bay, same thing. And they're not woke
at all.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So if the studio decides to change course, then they
have all the facilities and the ability to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What I would like to see, buck is the people
that have been ostracized the industry, like me, that have actually.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Been in the industry and done stuff, create things outside
because we need to be able. We can't go through
it's going to be cyclical again, right, Like we need
to start curating the arts. It's really really important because
after Ronald Reagan, you know, Ronald Reagan one, from then on,
we started losing the culture war and that was a
(23:36):
massive mistake. And it's still really difficult. I mean, you're
here right, you're here on media right now. This is
the new media. New media changed the landscape for Donald
Trump and allowed him to win the election.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It really did help because everyone's tuning out of regular
you know, mainstream media. But there's an opportunity now for
us to invest in like us solved farts now to
mentor the younger generation to create things outside of the
studio system.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
We don't need them anymore. We have all the great stories.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So I think what I would like to do is
see more of a focus on conservatives funding stuff outside,
but not like this is a Christian movie, right. I
want to see like the Roy Benavidez story. That's what
I want to see. I want to see like that
you know they did Midway, right. These are the movies
that we can do, but we have a very small
(24:30):
window of opportunity because people like Mel Gibson, who's clearly
a genius still on all those guys, they're getting older.
So we need to be able to start funding these
projects and then conservatives.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Will come to them.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And again, like you mentioned earlier about Europe, it's really important.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I grew up loving Rocky and Rambo. I grew up
loving Rocky and Rambo. Rocky was the.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Movie that said to me, as a working class kid,
if you work hard enough, you can make it. And
that is a message that goes all the way across
the world, and if you think about it, but there
wasn't from two thousand after Week.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Came out with Black Hawk Down Yeah, was the pro
military movie for ten years.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, I know, it's remarkably you think about it. My
wife and I talk about this, We say, hey, bandon
Brothers as I think one of the best TV shows
ever made. I mean, at least for me, Like, I
just found it so engrossing, enjoyable, you know, everything you
want in a series. It's like, why not make more
series like that?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It doesn't have to be the same. It looks even
the same war, the same period. I'm just saying, you
know about men at arms, you know, make it realistic,
make the characters come to life, make it seem you know,
make it seem like it all matters. And instead, I mean,
it's just amazing. You go through Netflix, what is all
this trash they're making. They're just making crash all the time.
So I hope that all changes, and I hope you're
(25:52):
involved in some of it, mister Matthew Marsden. Always a pleasure, sir.
Good to see you and we will talk soon.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You got it, buddy, Thanks for having me.
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