September 23, 2024 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay here with me in
South Florida. We made a pilgrimage to Poppy Steak last night. Yes,
Clay one is bet and I'm a man who pays
his debts, pays his bets, and so we went for
(00:21):
the most outrageous steak we could possibly find. It was
actually delicious And if you want to see the video,
it's already over a million views on Twitter. But go
to Clayandbuck dot com. We've got the video. It's a
lot of fun it trusts me, you'll giggle, you'll laugh,
You'll have some fun with it. We need a little
bit of the lighthearted while we're in focus mode here. Overall,
(00:43):
forty two days from the election. I cannot believe how
close this is. I mean, the numbers for when people
are going to be early voting, I mean you can
count this in days, not weeks. Really now a ton
coming in over the weekend. We're in the absolute thick
of the election, melee right now. And like I said,
(01:05):
you know, we were out last night Boppy Steak having
a good time. Some big news stories coming in that
we'll dive into with you. We've got Scott Jennings from
CNN second hour. We're gonna ask him what's it like
to go into the communist den I used to do it.
You know, a lot of what it's I do, I do.
It's not always fun, but he's been doing a good job.
And then our friends Carol Markwitz and Merrick Catherine Ham
(01:26):
third hour of the program, they're launching a new podcast
which is like two moms talking about stuff. Ye two
great conservative moms who are talking about the world and
politics and mom stuff. And I think you're really gonna
like it. So we will get to all of that.
A lot of Poland coming in. I know Clay is
excited to dive into those numbers. I would just say
(01:51):
the IRS union has apparently endorsed Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Can you believe that the IRS has a union?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, no public right, no public secont entity should
have a union. At the dawn of unions, you can
go back and look at this one hundred years ago,
the dawn of real union power in this country. I
think even FDR was like, we can't have public sector unions.
That would be crazy. Well, now a lot of unions
are public sector or public school teachers, et cetera, very
(02:17):
powerful unions. At that they endorse Kamala Harris, which is
kind of funny. I think she was like, I don't
know if I really need the irs to endorse me
right now, but we've got a lot of that. Also,
the Teamsters, one of the largest labor unions in the country,
had a poll come out that showed Donald Trump is
the choice of the Teamsters membership, not the leadership necessarily,
(02:40):
but the membership. So they have not endorsed Kamala Harris.
But Clay, let's hop right into this. A lot of
different ways to look at and parse the data. I mean,
I saw the CBS battleground poll came out yesterday. People
are looking at this one off the weekend. It has
Harris up pretty much in all of the critical battleground states.
(03:01):
So the left was getting all excited about this. But
the margin of era is four points, and in all
these polls she's up a point two points. I think, actually,
if you look at the data more closely, at Trump
is looking good, but it is very close.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So here is what came out this morning that I
think is significant. The New York Times had polls of Arizona, Georgia,
and North Carolina that they released, and we're now to
the time where I think you can start counting in
terms of where the numbers are and how they're likely
(03:37):
to break, And in particular, let me hit you with
these data points. Arizona, according to the New York Times,
Trump is up five, North Carolina Trump up two, Georgia
Trump up four. Okay, so why do those three matter?
If that is correct, If Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina
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are all going to go Trump, the only pathway that
Kamala Harris would have to winning this race is sweeping Pennsylvania, Michigan,
and Wisconsin. And here let me hit you with something
that matters. If that is correct. If Trump is going
to flip Arizona and Georgia back red and hold on
(04:23):
to North Carolina, this race could come down to Omaha, Nebraska.
And we were just talking about this off air before
we started the show today. There is a movement right
now in Nebraska to make the state winner take all.
If that were to occur, that would eliminate the pathway
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of Kamala only having to win the big ten states
of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, and would actually mean that
she would need to win Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, or North
Carolina on top of those states. To me, if you
are listening to us in Nebraska right now, Democrats would
one hundred percent do this if they were in this
(05:09):
situation that that could be the difference Omaha, Nebraska, who
how they vote in that little one electoral vote market
between Kamala getting to two seventy or not.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Now, the best news and I got into this or
was setting this up a little bit play with those
CBS numbers, The best news is that they're trying to do.
They show right now a lot of polls show Kamala
ahead in some swing states. It's within the margin of
ara though, as I said, which is polster speak for like,
you know, we could be off on this one, and
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if we are, we're not even gonna take any lumps
for it, because we're telling you that it's you know,
plus or minus four, which is a pretty big margin
and error. But anyway, especially when you're talking about a
fifty to fifty political electorate more or less, right, I
mean four point. If Trump were to win by a
solid four point for example, you're talking about annihilation in
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the electoral college. So here's what I think is so critical.
CNN's own data guy talked about how if you look
at the numbers today and the polls, the same pollsters
are off by the same degree they were not in
twenty sixteen but in twenty twenty. Here this is cart two.
(06:24):
Here is what that would mean for Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Look at Donald Trump's electoral vote total right now, if
the polls are exactly right, two hundred and sixty two.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But let's say the polls are off.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Like they were back in twenty twenty, Look where he goes.
He goes to three hundred and twelve. Why is that
because the polls underestimated Donald Trump in twenty twenty. So
the bottom line is, instead of losing those great Lake
battleground states, he.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Wins all of them.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He obviously holds on to North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona,
and he gains Nevada. So if the polls are as
good as they were in twenty twenty, despite the fact
that at this particular hour, Donald Trump trail and in
upstates to give Kamala Harris the victory, the polls were
off like they were in twenty twenty, Donald Trump would
actually win the election.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Three hundred and twelve electoral votes for Donald Trump. If
the polls that we're looking at today mirror the reality
of what the polls showed or the reality what the
votes were, I should say in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So here's the problem that we have. As it comes
big picture, we should add one more. There is a
Minneapolis Star Tribune poll that shows Kamala only up five
in Minnesota. Biden won Minnesota by seven in twenty twenty,
So if Kamala only won Mini app Minnesota by five,
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that would be a very bad sign for her, particularly
because she added Tim Walls as her VP and he's
the governor of Minnesota, which theoretically would help somewhat in
that state. But here is the real question, and this
is one that we're going to be asking as we
sit six weeks in a day from actual election day,
as many of you out there are now able to
(08:06):
go out and vote, as early voting becomes in earnest
more and more common across the country, what are the
polls accuracy? In twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, they massively
underappreciated the poll of Donald Trump they got it wrong
both in sixteen and in twenty but in twenty two
(08:30):
we did not get the red wave that the polls
showed we were going to get.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So essentially, in.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Most of the most recent elections, the polls have not
only been wrong on the on the side of Democrats
in the presidentcy presidency, but they were also wrong on
the size of Republicans in twenty two. So my point
on this is, don't rely on any polling.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Go vote.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
The only thing you can control is whether you you
vote and your friends and family go vote. You should
make sure that you go vote. And Buck and I
are going to keep hammering this for all of you.
We're voting early. The first day that I can vote
is October sixteenth in my home state of Tennessee. I'm
showing up and voting. Buck's gonna vote early in Florida.
(09:18):
The data reflects I saw some early data coming out
of Virginia, Buck, that a lot of Republicans are starting
to vote early in the state of Virginia. And oh,
by the way, last week there was a poll suggesting
that Virginia is within a couple of points one way
or the other. That also not favorable to Kamala because
Biden won Virginia by ten in twenty twenty. If Kamala
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is only up a couple of points in Virginia, that
speaks well for how this race may go. But again,
don't look at the polls. Don't worry about them. We're
going to tell you what they say because the data
is out there and it's part of the conversation. But
ultimately what a poll says shouldn't dictate whether you go.
Remember the worst poll that I saw out there of
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a battleground state had Trump losing Wisconsin by seventeen points.
Do you remember that poll that came out right before
twenty twenty came down to twenty thousand votes? Did that
turn down some people who said, Oh, this thing's already decided,
nothing is decided. Make your voice heard. If you're not registered,
get registered. But get yourself, your friends, your family to
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the polls.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's going to be tight. I think that's what everything shows.
And I also just want to throw in there, and
he'll be with us later in the week to look
at some of the numbers. Our buddy Ryan Gradusky, he
was on He's been on CNN as well recently, and
we'll talk to him about the latest numbers. I think
he'll be with us Wednesday or Thursday of this week.
But we've got another CNN guy second hour. Anyway, the
(10:48):
point is why am I so confident? Guys, reality here
is that Kamala Harris is a horrible candidate. It's not
Joe Biden was not a horrible candidate for and I
know that that sounds you know, oh, but no, no, no, no,
because yes, he had a decline. His decline has gotten
(11:08):
a lot worse for the last four years. But he
was in decline. But because of COVID, he was able
to hide, and because of COVID, a lot of people
wanted a grandfatherly figure who promised calm. It was all
a lie, we know that. But Biden made sense for
the Democrats. That's why Jim Clyburn in South Carolina and
the huge switch and no more big left wing you
(11:30):
know push from the Democrat primary. But Kamala Harris is
a terrible, terrible option. Okay, this is the truth, and
the numbers actually show that. Here's Ryan. This is from
about a little over a week ago, but he's talking
about the Kamala campaign and how it's down this cup
three play it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
She is the worst polling democrat against Donald Trump in
history on national polls. No one is performing worse than
our No one's froming wors among Blacks among his banks,
the worst warning democrat in modern history among the demographics,
or is performing polling wise among Jews. She is losing
key factions of the Democratic based Muslim voters. She's under
a fifty two and the latest CARE poll among Black Muslims,
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she is not doing well.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, that's a stunning statistic. That's CARE the Council
on Arab Islamic Relations, which sort of does like Muslim
anyway Muslim relations stuff at US Middle East. But Clay,
So it's not what I'm saying is it's not like
a Fox News poll. Kamala Harris is polling below fifty
percent with Black Muslims in America right now. I mean,
the numbers that she has with Jewish Americans in New
(12:36):
York are terrible. And the numbers that she's getting right
now for young people, particularly young people that you know
she's gonna have to count on in some of these
key states, not good. A little bit of a detail,
we come back, I'll hit you with this, but I
know this area a little bit because my father in
law used to have a business there. Ham Trammick, Michigan
is one of the largest Muslim dominated communities in the country.
(13:00):
The mayor of ham Trammick, who has like a seventy
percent approval rating in that small area of the Detroit,
Michigan larger metropolitan area, just endorse Trump. So we have
talked a lot about Trump's appeal with Jewish voters as
all of the mess continues in Israel. But also I
think Kamala Harris doesn't really connect with a lot of
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Arab voters, a lot of Muslim voters as well. I
just think there's a lot of sort of eruptions in
the dam that are starting to become a parent to Democrats,
and they're trying to sort of cartoon style cover up
all of these major leaks, and it's getting bad. I
think over the next six weeks you're going to start
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to see more of a panic setting. I don't know
if you saw this. Even Peggy Noonan in the Wall
Street Journal, who is I read that column not a
Trump fan, not a Trump fan, but she's like, this
Kamala game is all about just trying to run out
the clock. I mean, can you imagine run out clock
so people don't know who you are before they vote.
That's exactly she sees that. Everyone See what I mean
(14:05):
by bringing in, by bringing in Beggy Noonon is you
don't have to be a Trump voter to think they're
running out the clock. Everybody knows that she's running out
the clock. It's it's stunning. I've never seen anything like
I don't think anyone's seen anything like this in modern
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Speaker 1 (15:49):
Is Louisville alum.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Scott Jennings who is doing fantastic work on CNN and
I understand as we get started, you have a college
football take for me, Scott, So I'll let you begin
with this important pronouncement.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, we're going to Notre Dame this weekend and we're
gonna win. The Louisville Cardinals are going to beat Notre Dame.
Mark it down, bet it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
These guys, you guys with Jeff Brohm, have been a
revelation in terms of how quickly he's brought you back
into the Promised Land. You're a top fifteen caliber team
for people out there who are not big college football fans.
I appreciate the prediction, Scott. I will be down at
the Georgia Alabama game. Donald Trump also going to be there.
Let's start with this question. Because you're a college football fan,
(16:34):
this buck is kind of.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Come to realize that I trust college football fans no
matter who you root for. I just think you're normal,
everyday Americans. I think that the idea that Michigan, penn State, Wisconsin,
Michigan State, all of these different fan bases in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
and Wisconsin are gonna in some way put Kamala Harris
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into the White House is just fundamentally wrong. I think
she doesn't connect with the average Midwestern voter. You're in Kentucky,
a little bit south of the primary Midwest, But do
you get that sense as well?
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yeah, I get the sense that the Democratic Party over
the last several years and including right now, has completely
lost touch with the average middle American voter. I mean
it's an urban party, it's a party of college campuses.
And I don't necessarily even mean you know, the students,
I mean the professors. I mean that that's who they are,
That's who they cater to. And the average college football
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fan in those states. I mean, when Donald Trump walks
into that stadium, what are you gonna hear?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What are you gonna be?
Speaker 6 (17:39):
And so you'll know what the score is when he
walks out there among that particular fan base.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And so yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I think the Democrats have a huge problem in middle
America and rural America. And you know you were playing
the white guys for Harris thing earlier. I mean, they
have no idea how to communicate and get it back,
none whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So Scott, you know, I am a CNN Concernervative alumni
from years years past, and I just want to say,
I think you're doing You're doing great work over there.
For a while early in the Trump years, they basically
weren't allowing conservatives on. I mean, I just never saw any.
I don't know. Maybe maybe they were allowing a few
want here and there. But you're doing a good job
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representing truth, sanity, the American way, all that over there.
We play your clips on the air. We played some
just before what's the I'll tell you this, I'll get
give you a little anecdom. When I was there for
the Democrat primary, they were all pro not all, but
the the in the breaks conversation was Bernie Sanders is
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the real deal? Hillary is a big donor phony. A
lot of the commentators would say that off air. The
cameras would go on and they were, oh, Hillary Clinton
is the best candidate, you know, because that's just what
they thought they were supposed to say because Zucker was
in charge. What is the I mean, as as the
kids say these days, the vibe of the Democrat commentators
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when it came to this Kamala campaign. Are they panicking
in the green room and telling you everyone that it's
just fine on the air? What take us behind the
curtain a little bit?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Yeah, Well, first of all, I just want to credit
my employer, CNN for allowing these debates to occur. I'm
in New York every Monday and Tuesday night. We're having
this ten o'clock show. Abby Phillip is the host. Some
of the clips you play come right out of that show.
I mean, we're having actual debates. So if you want
to hear conservatives and liberals go at it, CNN's allowing
it to unfold. I think on the Democratic side, it
depends on who you talk to. I mean, the person
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I probably spend the most time with is David Axelrod,
former Obama advisor, And you know, he's been pretty clear
on the air and off the air that he thinks
this election could go either way, that there's a world
where Trump wins, there's a world where Harris wins. He's
been preaching to the Democrats not to be irrational exuberance.
Of course, he was ahead of the curve on Biden too.
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He was one of the lone voices out there a
warning about Biden before the rest of the Democrats caught
up to him. So I think there's a healthy mixture
of people.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Let me follow this up with this, Scott, is it
and I would just tell you about the U CNN.
I mean a lot of people that I know, you know,
Kaylee Mcanenny was there, Ben Ferguson was. I mean, there
used to be a lot of conservatives then early in
the Trump years there was kind of a house cleaning
of conservatives over there. I'm glad to see that under
new leadership, they are allowing debates to happen. So yeah,
that's why we play those debates on the air. But
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what I really want to know is are any of
the Democrats you come across truly excited about a Kamala
campaign over there? And I mean you don't have the
name names, but I'm talking about the off camera utterances.
I'm talking about. You know, what do they really think
about how this is unfolding? Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
I think a couple are excited about it without naming names,
and but I think it may be, you know, for
one reason or the other. I think a few are
still pretty nervous about it. Of course, most of them
would tell you they're just excited that Biden is not
the nominee. I mean, I think everybody had realized by
the summer this dude was cooked, right. I mean, there
was no possible way he was going to win. They
were headed for a landslide defeat. I think everybody had
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internalize that, and so you give them any other candidate
and they're going to be happy about this. But you know,
it's interesting. There's a there's a wide spectrum of thoughts
on her over there. My views are, there's more to
be There's more to being president than just not being
Donald Trump. That's her entire campaign. I'm not Trump. Therefore
you have to vote for me, and I don't have
to answer any of your questions. I'm sort of insulted
by it, and that's going to be where my position is.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
This week, we're talking to Scott Jennings on CNN. You
can watch him there. Art, what do you attribute the
willingness to suddenly allow debates to take place again? Because
what I've seen you do, what I've seen Ryan Gardusky
start to do, is actually push back on narratives. We
played the clip, the blood bath clip. There's a lot
of things that have become democrat or orthodoxy that don't
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get challenged on the air. I think what you do
is very important because it forces people to recognize what
the actual truth sometimes is. You can agree or disagree
on what the tax code should be, as we often
say on on this show. But when it comes to
whether the very Fine People hoax occurred, when it comes
to the idea of Trump saying there's going to be
a bloodbath, a lot of those things are Democrat party,
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are orthodoxy, and are not supported. When did you start
to recognize CNN was maybe more interested in having legitimate
debates as opposed to just having one side of the
equation covered.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Well, I've been on the network for a few years now,
and you know, I've been thrown in there over a
lot of different iterations of a lot of different shows,
and so I always feel like I'm pretty supported. I
think as the election got closer, and you know, you
go back to the twenty twenty election, it was weird.
We were all in our boxes. There was no debates
that we were traveling to, and nobody's going to the conventions.
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This cycle's been more normal. We've been out there. CNN.
I think had a great debate in June, we had
good convention coverage, and I think as we've gone on
in the cycle, and now with this new ten o'clock
show that Abby is hosting, there's obviously a willingness for
both sides to get a chance to make the case.
And I feel very good about what we're doing. I
heard you say earlier. You know MSNBC, you're not going
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to catch any of that over there, correct and so
and so. I run into people in airports and out
in the world all the time who tell me things
like I don't agree with you, but I'm glad that
you're on there, because I do want to hear what
both sides are saying and what the views on the
issues are. I think there's a hunger for actual debate,
not people to get steamrolled and not people to beat tokens,
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and not people to be like, oh, I'm a Republican,
but I've never voted Republican. I think there's an actual
hunger for real political debate in this country. And you
mentioned Ryan. He's doing a great job. But that's what
I'm committed to doing, having a real debate, and I
think people want.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
To watch it.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
And I think this ten o'clock show, for instance, that
the ratings bear it out. People do want to watch
an actual debate. Somebody's willing to stand up for their
own views.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
This used to be, this was CNN pre Trump, which
is when I started working there, Scott, they would have
on real Republicans, real conservatives to make the case there
was a change in leadership. There was some Trump's arrangement syndrome,
and now I think they're getting back to that, which
makes sense. As a not you're talking about what the
American people want. I agree with it. I think there
should be more a real exchange of ideas. But also
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as a business model, you know, they can be a
news network that actually has on both sides and that
then becomes their identity in a sense, and I think
it used to be much more centennd identity. So I
like that. But back to this campaign and how you
think it's going at this point. Is there anything that
you think the Trump campaign should either have additional focus
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on or if you were to give a constructive critique
in some way. I mean, I'm just wondering what your
focus is for Trump and the campaign between now an
election day to get it done.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
I think the entire campaign for Trump comes down to
these low and no propensity voters think I heard why
you say it earlier.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
That's the whole campaign. His base is immovable, They're not
going to change.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're with him.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
You know, the people who vote in a lot of elections,
but this low propensity and no propensity voting block, and
they're doing it. They're courting them.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Trump shows up at places that sometimes presidential candidates don't
always show up. That's the ballgame for him. You turn
out the low and no propensity voters, these young men,
for instance, You're gonna win the election. That's the whole games.
If I were in their shoes, I wouldn't be worried
so much about reeling in some of these people who've
never voted for you in three elections what have I
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would be fully focused on a turnout operation. Low no
propensity voters. They inherently do not love the government. They
don't believe what they're hearing from the government and institutions.
In some ways, they've been crushed under the Biden Harris economy,
and they know who is crushing them, and they want
somebody to shake it up. And that's how they saw
Trump before, and that's how they'll see him again. That's
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the whole ballgame for him.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Scott.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We saw the data come out earlier this morning. I'm
sure you saw it be talking about it at Arizona, Georgia,
North Carolina, per the New York Times, all in Trump's
camp right now, somewhat close there, which would mean that
Kamala has to sweep Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Yes, circling
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back on that, do you think she will sweep? And
if that is her pathway and I think it is
in Nebraska, should they change the law and go all
the states to the winner of the state or should
they continue to have that one floating dot of an
electoral vote that could put Kambala in the White House Omaha,
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Nebraska could put Kamala in the White House two seventy
two sixty eight. That's not a crazy scenario right now.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, what you laid out is her most likely path.
And I'm spare me the whining. By the way, if
the Trump folks and Trump himself want to change the
rules in Nebraska, I mean they've tried to throw him
off the ballot. You know, they replace their candidate in
midsummer in a totally unprecedented fashion. And now you're mad
that Donald Trump's trying to scratch out an advantage in Nebraska, which,
(26:43):
by the way, is an outlier. Most states don't do
it this way, correct, So they're an allies. I got
no I don't know what they're gonna do, but I
got no problem with them trying to trying to get
an advantage.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Is there any doubt Democrats would do it if they
had this same of course they they'll do anything.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
They will literally do anything to stop You've already got that.
Congressman Raskin has already talked about in the press. If
Trump wins, they're going to try to stop the certification
of the Electoral College. They will do anything to stop
this guy from winning the election or taking office. I
firmly believe that on the pathway, I think you got
it exactly right. I still think Pennsylvania is the tipping
(27:21):
points state, and I still think it's the weakest of
the three for Harris. Her own campaign and some of
our own CNN reporting has acknowledged that Pennsylvania's is very difficult.
So that's the game. I thought the Sun Belt polling
this morning for Trump was good. I do think people
are worried about North Carolina. I still think he has
the advantage down south. But if he wins Pennsylvania and
(27:42):
he holds a sun Belt or wins a sun belt.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
He's going to be the next president. So the whole
thing Pennsylvania or a bust in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Scott Jennings from CNN, thanks so much, man for being
with us. And don't let those left wingers ambush you.
Give you too much guff over there. All right, we'll
fight them every day.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Brother, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I love your show. Thank you work, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's doing fabulous work there. We appreciate him hopping in
the New York City studio.
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Speaker 1 (30:22):
Wanted to return to something you're not seeing a lot
of in the media, and that is more coverage and
follow up to the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
There it is not an apparent assassination attempt, as they
were saying for days afterwards. This guy, in every sense
wanted to kill President Trump, prepared to do it, the
(30:45):
means to do it, planning, plan the whole thing out,
plotted it out with a twelve hours on that golf course,
uh and and managed to figure out where Trump would be.
I mean, it's scary. I know that, you know our sense,
you know, Clay. I just want to put this in
context because Trump took a bullet in the ear and
there were multiple rounds fired around his head and somebody
(31:07):
was killed. As we know at that rally. Our sense
of this attack is that this is kind of substantially
less of a threat. I think that's that's just the
way it goes, right, you know. But it's a little
bit like we almost got hit by a freight train
and then we almost got hit by a truck on
the sidewalk, you know, going sixty miles an hour, and
(31:29):
you're like, well, it wasn't at least it wasn't a
freight train, right. Our sense what I mean is the
second assassination attempt on Trump would have been by far
the most dangerous attempt on a presidential candidate and former
president since Ronald Reagan alone. Correct Like the second attempt,
people I think are a little more like, oh, well,
(31:49):
you know, at least he didn't get shot, because he
did in the first one. This was dangerously close to
more shots being fired at President Trump. We have some
additional information on this. I think I said last week
when I looked at the photo in New York Post
that it's an SKS rifle that has been confirmed. So
it's a semi automatic SKS rifle had a detachable curved magazine,
(32:14):
had a scope added to it for longer range shooting fires.
A seven to six ' two round this would were
absolutely sufficient for somebody who was trying to conduct some
kind of an assassination attempt to have this rifle under
these circumstances. So the guy knew at least what he
was doing with regard to that, which makes him a
greater threat. New to find cover or concealment, and even
(32:38):
a degree of cover by setting up these plates ceramic
bulletproof plates, not really bulletproof, but you know, bullet resistant,
you could say plates in bags. And we also, Clay
have the note that he wrote, dear world, I mean
to talk to us. You said this to me over
the weekend. Yeah, this guy really thought that he was
going to become a global hero by assassin a former
(33:01):
and likely future US president.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So this letter was released officially, I think early this morning,
late last night, and it is from the would be assassin.
And I think to your point, it's very important that
we recognize this the one attempt in Butler, PA. Because
it was on film and because Trump was hit struck
(33:24):
people in a way that it was impossible to ignore.
I think a lot of people who are casual followers
of the news aren't even aware that this guy would
have been camped out for twelve hours beside the golf course,
and that he had a go pro and that he
was prepared to film himself, and that he was saying
that he needed to kill Trump because Joe Biden and
(33:46):
Kamala Harris convinced him that Trump was a direct threat
against democracy. But what strikes me, Buck, and I'm curious
what your analysis of this would be. The guy says
in the letter that if he fails, he will pay
someone one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to kill Trump. Now,
this guy's clearly crazy. This would be assassin. The second
(34:08):
would be assassin one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He
doesn't have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But it's
not like he said, I'll give you fifteen million or
one hundred and fifty million. It's very strange one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. But why did they publish this letter?
And the reason why I ask that question is we
(34:31):
frequently are told, for instance, with the trans shooter Manifesto
in the state of Tennessee, where I'm from in Nashville,
it still hasn't been officially published, and the FBI and
authority said, well, we don't want to encourage another round
of shooting based on some of the things that were
(34:51):
written in this Trans Manifesto. Right, that's the logic by
which they chose not to publish it. How just putting
a letter out where a guy put it's bounty on
Trump's head and encourages other people to kill him, how
does that follow the logic of not releasing the Trans Manifesto?
(35:13):
Because what I would argue Buck is there isn't a
consistent principle here. If your position is, hey, these crazy manifestos,
these crazy letters, were always going to publish them, like
they published the guy who shot up the grocery store
in El Paso, Texas. Remember his manifesto got out. They
eventually published the Unibomber's manifesto. What seems to me to
(35:35):
be the standard that's being applied here? And tell me
what I'm missing? And I'm by the way eight hundred
two eight two two eight a two. You guys, maybe
I'm missing something here. You guys can analyze. How could
you justify not publishing the Trans Manifesto because you said
you were concerned that it would encourage additional shootings, but
you do publish The second would be assassin's letter where
(35:57):
he says, somebody else needs to kill Trump if he can't,
and I'll give you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
if you do it. Either publish everything from crazy people
or publish nothing from crazy people. I don't understand the
logic of publishing this one and not publishing the trans
shooter you got, you got my entire year. Yeah, absolutely,
I think there is no logic other than they didn't
want people to be focused on a transshooter who was
(36:20):
upset about what she believed to be anti trans policy,
So they just made this one off exception. It's the
notion that we're not going to release information that is
pertinent to not only an investigation, but an issue of
public safety and public security. In motive, of course, this
was a this was a one and done or at
(36:42):
least one and done for this situation rule that they
came up with. If they had no intention of the
rationale behind keeping the trans trans Terrorists Manifesto secret would
not be applied by the people using it to any
other circumstance that did not involve another trans terrorist, you
(37:02):
know what I mean. Yeah, So, so they never thought
that they were they were never acting on principle, it
was just political favoritism, and then they try to after
the fact justified in this way.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
But but what you say with this guy is, look,
I mean a lot of the arguments that he makes
here are the arguments that they have foreign policy experts
making on you know, Mourning Joe, which is you know,
this is he's a threat to the world. I'm doing
this for the world. That's all. This guy was obsessed
with Ukraine. I mean, you know, you see that if
you have convinced enough people, enough people that Donald Trump
(37:37):
is a unique threat to end the Republic and to
the war, to the global order. Yeah, or part of
this that we don't talk about because we're emotionally stable people.
Klan are emostly stable, happy people who try to live
in reality like you, which is why all of you
are listening to the show. We're emotionally stable, overwhelmingly happy
people that love our country and want what's best for
ourselves and our families and our neighbors. Right, A lot
(37:59):
of leftists are Luna. Yes, they honestly have a mental
instability that is either exacerbated or caused by their chosen politics.
We can argue about which one of those. It really is.
They've been saying, not only is Trump a threat to
the Republic Clay, that that he's gonna let dictators, whether
it's Putin or North Korea's Kim Jong un, do whatever
(38:20):
they want, destabilize the world order and lead to nuclear war.
I mean, this is the argument. This is the event
which I know, it's like it's going in deep into
the rabbit hole and going into crazy town. Trump is
the guy who keeps us out of wars, but they
argue that he's actually a threat of massive wards. You
know what I'm saying, And that's part of their whole logic.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
If the goal of I really can't get around releasing
this letter other than trying to encourage someone else to
kill Trump, I really can't. I mean, I think everybody
knows what the motive was of the guy who showed
up to kill Trump. He wanted to kill Trump. So
I'm not persuaded that this letter changes anything in terms
(39:06):
of the motive. And again, I don't understand why publishing
it but for the encouragement of other crazy people to
try to kill Trump, what the purpose of this would
be otherwise?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, And also he wrote in this or rather, they've
they've done some investigation of his social media footprint everything else.
He was looking for how to get from Florida to Mexico,
which I don't know if I were. You know, if
you're thinking about where you would try to escape the US,
first of all, you'd want to get to a non
extradition or a country that has a history of refusing
(39:42):
extraditions before. But for do you know what some of
the I know you know this is a kind of
a specialized area flow. Do you know what some of
the non extradition countries out there are? Partly because we
talked about it last night at our fancy steak dinner,
you knew more about this than I did. A lot
of the countries that are non extraditable countries are not
places that you would want to live. North Korea I'm
not going to not on the list. What else do
(40:05):
we a China, which I mean, yes, advanced, but I
don't think you're gonna have a great time living in China.
I don't think they would like me very much, and
they might they might decide to just turn you over anyway.
They won't turn over a Chinese national though Belarus and Russia.
You gotta like the cold, then you gotta like vodka.
I'm just saying those lists. I guess Russia would be
the best. Well, there's there's more. I you know, I've
(40:27):
been to Vietnam. Vietnam is actually very I think you know,
they didn't have extra according to I just did a
Google search, so we can blame you know, blame doctor
Google if this is wrong. But Vietnam I don't think
has has a formal extradition country. There are a few
iran not going around. I don't think you start to
look at this like where.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Were Afghanistan not going to Afghanistan?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yep, that's not that's not in the Taliban. I don't
think we would get along. Well, not gonna have a
great time. There are some other Gulf states in the
Middle least. But the point is if you're trying to
go full on non extradition, you have very limited options and.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So it's hard to get there. A lot of these
countries you can't even fly into.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, Lebanon is yeah, Lebanon no haslaw that's going to
be rough.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, that's where the guy from who was the CEO
right of the car company fled to Beirut right because
there was no extra diable. I think they put it
in the carry case right out of Japan. Yes, that's fine,
and that is one. Yeah, that is one. I remember
that he had done the specific research. Now I think
he was also a Lebanese citizen, the guy who was,
(41:29):
So that's what makes a huge to get there, whether
they let you right, whether they let you in the
country anyway, this guy was trying. The point here is
that this guy knew what he was doing, set up
to do it, had the equipment to do it, had
scoped out where he where he thought Trump would be,
was at a location where Trump was going to be vulnerable,
got away, Yes, initially. I mean I bring this up
(41:50):
because it's not unthinkable that this guy could have gotten
from Florida to an island in the Caribbean to Cuba
where I don't know, you know, I don't know, so
if he get turned I probably wouldn't get turned over.
I think they technically have an extradition treaty with the US,
but they don't honor it anyway. I don't know if
you get a lawyer on who knows about extra territorial law.
(42:11):
But the point here, Clay is this was a like.
I said, this would have been the most dangerous, most
serious assassination attempt on a president since Ronald Reagan got
shot in the eighties. And this was the second most
dangerous attack against Trump in the last two months, and
it barely got twenty four hours of coverage. And now
to me, it feels like they're further incentivizing assassination attempts
(42:35):
by publishing this guy's letter, which included a charge, a challenge,
an offer of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars if
someone were able to complete the job of assassinating Trump,
which he didn't do. Again, what is the logic here?
I would just like it to be applied consistently. It's
too dangerous to get the trans manifesto, shooters information and
(42:57):
words out there, but this one immediately gets a real least.
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Speaker 1 (44:19):
Welcome back in. We have Carol Markowitz aunt Mary Catherine
Ham joining us now to talk about the launch of
their new podcast, which they're hosting together normally. And my understanding, ladies,
and I'll just because we're on radio, I'll try to clarify.
We'll start with you, Carol. We'll get to you, Mary
in a second. My understanding is you're can talk about stuff,
(44:43):
it's not just politics, and a lot of the moms
listening across America will want to hear what you guys
have to say.
Speaker 8 (44:50):
You know, we're not exclusive to moms. Dads are welcome.
You know, Clay said best release the child this cat.
People are welcome. Everyone's welcome to our Normally podcast to
be normal conversation from normal people from normal people, and that's.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's our goal there, I think is super important, and
we're excited to have this debut tomorrow as part of
the Clay and Buck podcast network. Mary Catherine Ham, I'll
bring you in and I would encourage you guys to
follow Carol Markowitz and Mary Katherine Ham on social media
because I think you guys are really going to enjoy
these conversations. I've talked with both of you guys, and
(45:26):
I feel like the mom perspective is actually underrepresented in
terms of just sort of the common sense universe. I
think Megan Kelly has done a good job speaking to
moms out there, and to Carroll's point, when to talk
to you guys are talking to everybody. But as I
think collectively, the moms of seven kids.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I think I've got that right.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
You can correct me if I'm wrong on the on
the numbers there, what do you think is not being
shared and what audience do you think is not really
being reflected in media? Do you buy into to that
might be there?
Speaker 7 (46:01):
Yeah, I think that. Look, we are different from a
lot of political elites, particularly those who are elected to
office national office, and that we like you know, buy
groceries regularly and drive our kids around to activities and
feel the pain of having to make those decisions in
this time of inflation. And I feel like there are
a lot of people who are not as connected to that.
(46:22):
And I joke that we're sort of normy adjacent because
we're not exactly normal because we pay a lot of
attention to the news. But we can be useful to
people who are normy because we can filter all that
news and talk about it normally, which is the idea.
But I think, look, the inflation problems, the economy, immigration
and safety issues, these are all things that moms, suburban
(46:42):
women care about.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
Right.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
It's a really important demo, and there is some attempt
to speak to it. Child Care costs is another thing,
but I think people get so bogged down in the
regular politics of a day and are not able to
just have a conversation with otherwise normy moms about that
are affecting their lives. So we hope that we can
do that and sort of filter out some of the
(47:04):
heightened emotion that many cable news outlets bring to the
to the table, which I had to deal with when
I was at CNN, and just like, let's actually examine
these things, you.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Know, Carol. Over the weekend I was seeing I saw
a few different friends here in South Florida, and it's
funny because you know, you know what they all are
talking about, not so much the election. They're all talking
about how puff Daddy p Diddy Sean Combe is in
prison and being held, you know, without bail until he's
(47:34):
until his trial. And I can't even really say on
the radio, like what's in all of these articles because
of some of the material and stuff that they have found.
But do you find that this here's the sort of
the thesis that was being brought up to me speaking of
like what more normal folks are in considered in other
than just the polls, is that Sean Combs isn't just
(47:55):
a guy who made a lot of money in the
music industry. He was celebrating by name somebody who's really
big and powerful in the culture and in politics in
this country. And yet he had been arrested or almost
arrested I should say almost arrested, but alleged to have
been involved in crimes many, many times over the years.
(48:15):
What does this say about the culture that this guy
was able to get away with what he got away
with as long as he did, And now all of
a sudden, everyone's like, oh, I've never seen him before.
He was like sitting at Anna Winter's table at the
met galap For people who watch this stuff.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Yeah, well, it's funny because Mary Catherine and I talk
about this, how when a scandal breaks, like Harvey Weinstein,
everyone's like, oh, everybody knew, everybody knew, And this time
it's kind of like, oh, no, I had no idea
about p Diddy. This is new information you have presented
me with. It's an interesting story because he has been
so in the limelight for so long. I mean, I
(48:52):
see him as the guy who ruined many Biggie Smalls
albums by inserting his into all of his songs. He
is some people who put you know, a lot of
young rappers on the map. Basically, he has a lot
of people who owe him, so it's interesting to watch
his decline. Of course, you also mentioned or in passing
(49:14):
with the story of the gun and the club with
Jennifer Lopez and his passenger See and then another rapper,
Shine went away for that crime, and the rumor always
was that he did he paid him a million dollars
for it. All of this kind of stuff has been
around for a long time, so it's interesting to watch
him actually get kind of pegged on.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
This interesting choice of words.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Mary Catherine Buck and I were talking last night at
dinner that based on what happened to Epstein, the puff
Daddy story, p Diddy, whatever you want to call him,
it feels very epstein esque and whatever you think the
idea that Epstein in an area that's supposed to be
super secure, the video is not running, the security guard
(49:58):
falls asleep, suddenly he kills him self. There were a
lot of allegations about video and who was involved. It
seems like there are potentially a ton of celebrities involved.
Oh they're not giving Diddy a bail. Do you see
an overlap here? Potentially with Epstein and Ditty in terms
of maybe what happened to Epstein, but also the celebrity
(50:20):
involvement and maybe some different blackmail involved also. I mean,
I see these stories as very much connected.
Speaker 7 (50:29):
One overlap is that I'm afraid to read the indictment
because it sounds so disgusting, So I gotta steal myself
for that.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Two.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
Yeah, my smart friend Emily's Nati, also a great mom
of three, called it Epstein for millennials because we know
all these figures. And one thing on the mom front
that strikes me about all these stories is particularly with
celebrities and celebrity kids, wonder Can singers and the like.
(50:57):
You know, Usher was friends with Diddy at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Bieber's in there.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
Doing stuff with him very young, and that worries me
and it makes me think for my front, talking to
my kids about like why can't we be on YouTube?
And it's like, well, this is why you will never
have a path to any mogul's house ever while you
are in my care. And I think that's something that
(51:22):
lights up for people in this demographic when you look
at these types of stories. And to Carol's point, one
of the things we'd like to talk about on the
podcast is things that everyone did know that the media
ignores for two years until they can safely tell the
story later. That is messed up to me. It's something
that normal people clock early, but the elites will not
(51:45):
sort of let it be talked about, and I think
that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Speaking to Carol Markuitz and Mary Catherine Ham their new podcast, normally,
when's the first episode Guys Tomorrow comes out tomorrow? Right now,
so now is a great time to subscribe to the
Clay and Buck podcast network. We also have Jan Parnell
and Lisa Booth and other friends of ours who are
doing great shows. But this normally show getting a lot
(52:09):
of a lot of hype online. Some people are saying Clay
probably going to be amazing, probably gonna set download records
and and Caeryl. I feel like this is also part
of a of a of a broader conversation, which is
I understand that people can say, like, oh, like, don't
subscribe to Netflix and don't engage in the culture if
it's going to be left wing and all this other stuff,
(52:30):
but there also needs to be a culture for normal people,
right It can't just be walling yourself off from whether
it's like the Sean Combe p Diddy stuff of the
world that's in the news cycle and you know, not
wanting to be you know, have that enter your consciousness.
But also we have to create content of our own.
Speaker 8 (52:48):
Absolutely. You know, again this is not to flatter you guys,
but I think that you guys do this so well
where you speak to normal people and they feel like
they know you, and they feel like you, guys are
You're not screaming at them, We're saying crazy things where
you know, we're going to take a page out of
that book and hopefully do the same on normally for
(53:09):
you know, a similar audience. So I love what you
guys do, and I think that that is exactly right.
We need to engage people on the right in culture,
and we need to have conversations, and we need to
produce content, and we need to do all of that
and not just leave them kind of hanging and say,
you know, boycott this and boycott that.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Mary Catherine, I'm going down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, speaking of
normally normally to watch your Georgia Bulldogs play against Alabama.
I want to get your take on what you expect
to happen in the game. But my thesis here, and
I may be completely wrong. We'll see whether I'm right
or wrong, is that college football fans, football fans in general,
(53:53):
loom extra large in the battleground states. Your state of
Georgia where you are right now, North Carolina. Condolences to
North Carolina and NC State who both got absolutely obliterated,
and you still have to root for the Carolina Panthers.
But then you've got the big ten states, Wisconsin where
I just was a couple of weeks ago, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
(54:14):
what's going to happen, Georgia, Bama. Do you buy into
me that quote unquote the normal football fan of America,
which I think it's fair to say Kamala tried to
appeal to with Walls, is going to break Trump pretty
significantly over Kamala. I'm curious how you would break that down.
Speaker 7 (54:30):
Look, I do think that's true, and I think this
is a gap in understanding for a lot of people
in Washington and a lot of people in sort of
elite media that don't understand how important football is to
so very many people in this country and have some
trouble relating to it. There are a few people who
maybe went to an SEC school and get it, but
(54:50):
they're few and far between. So I think you're right
that this is sort of a normy voter block, right
of huge football fans.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
That's why Trump going to try to.
Speaker 7 (55:00):
Go to this game. Is is he still going?
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I think they were working.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah. My understanding is he's going to be there. Yes.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
My understanding is they're going to He's going to be
in the stadium. He's going to be at this game,
which is, for those of you who are not football fans,
the biggest college football game of the year so far.
It's going to be a massive earthquake like style game. Right,
So this is why he's going.
Speaker 7 (55:20):
And as far as what's going to happen, I know
for sure that I will be extremely nervous and I
don't know if I could handle being there in person.
I would gladly take a ticket, but I don't know
if I can handle it. I will be at my house, cozy,
trying to deal with my nerves. We have a bit
of a we have a great program under Kurby Smart
(55:40):
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years with taking on Alabama. Almost every time we take
them on, so I'm always concerned.
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South Florida. We made a pilgrimage to Poppy Steak last night. Yes,
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bit of the lighthearted while we're in focus mode here. Overall,
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forty two days from the election. I cannot believe how
close this is. I mean, the numbers for when people
are going to be early voting, I mean you can
count this in days, not weeks. Really now a ton
coming in over the weekend. We're in the absolute thick
of the election, melee right now. And like I said,
(01:05):
you know, we were out last night Boppy Steak having
a good time. Some big news stories coming in that
we'll dive into with you. We've got Scott Jennings from
CNN second hour. We're gonna ask him what's it like
to go into the communist den I used to do it.
You know, a lot of what it's I do, I do.
It's not always fun, but he's been doing a good job.
And then our friends Carol Markwitz and Merrick Catherine Ham
(01:26):
third hour of the program, they're launching a new podcast
which is like two moms talking about stuff. Ye two
great conservative moms who are talking about the world and
politics and mom stuff. And I think you're really gonna
like it. So we will get to all of that.
A lot of Poland coming in. I know Clay is
excited to dive into those numbers. I would just say
(01:51):
the IRS union has apparently endorsed Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Can you believe that the IRS has a union?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, no public right, no public secont entity should
have a union. At the dawn of unions, you can
go back and look at this one hundred years ago,
the dawn of real union power in this country. I
think even FDR was like, we can't have public sector unions.
That would be crazy. Well, now a lot of unions
are public sector or public school teachers, et cetera, very
(02:17):
powerful unions. At that they endorse Kamala Harris, which is
kind of funny. I think she was like, I don't
know if I really need the irs to endorse me
right now, but we've got a lot of that. Also,
the Teamsters, one of the largest labor unions in the country,
had a poll come out that showed Donald Trump is
the choice of the Teamsters membership, not the leadership necessarily,
(02:40):
but the membership. So they have not endorsed Kamala Harris.
But Clay, let's hop right into this. A lot of
different ways to look at and parse the data. I mean,
I saw the CBS battleground poll came out yesterday. People
are looking at this one off the weekend. It has
Harris up pretty much in all of the critical battleground states.
(03:01):
So the left was getting all excited about this. But
the margin of era is four points, and in all
these polls she's up a point two points. I think, actually,
if you look at the data more closely, at Trump
is looking good, but it is very close.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So here is what came out this morning that I
think is significant. The New York Times had polls of Arizona, Georgia,
and North Carolina that they released, and we're now to
the time where I think you can start counting in
terms of where the numbers are and how they're likely
(03:37):
to break, And in particular, let me hit you with
these data points. Arizona, according to the New York Times,
Trump is up five, North Carolina Trump up two, Georgia
Trump up four. Okay, so why do those three matter?
If that is correct, If Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina
(04:01):
are all going to go Trump, the only pathway that
Kamala Harris would have to winning this race is sweeping Pennsylvania, Michigan,
and Wisconsin. And here let me hit you with something
that matters. If that is correct. If Trump is going
to flip Arizona and Georgia back red and hold on
(04:23):
to North Carolina, this race could come down to Omaha, Nebraska.
And we were just talking about this off air before
we started the show today. There is a movement right
now in Nebraska to make the state winner take all.
If that were to occur, that would eliminate the pathway
(04:46):
of Kamala only having to win the big ten states
of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, and would actually mean that
she would need to win Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, or North
Carolina on top of those states. To me, if you
are listening to us in Nebraska right now, Democrats would
one hundred percent do this if they were in this
(05:09):
situation that that could be the difference Omaha, Nebraska, who
how they vote in that little one electoral vote market
between Kamala getting to two seventy or not.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Now, the best news and I got into this or
was setting this up a little bit play with those
CBS numbers, The best news is that they're trying to do.
They show right now a lot of polls show Kamala
ahead in some swing states. It's within the margin of
ara though, as I said, which is polster speak for like,
you know, we could be off on this one, and
(05:42):
if we are, we're not even gonna take any lumps
for it, because we're telling you that it's you know,
plus or minus four, which is a pretty big margin
and error. But anyway, especially when you're talking about a
fifty to fifty political electorate more or less, right, I
mean four point. If Trump were to win by a
solid four point for example, you're talking about annihilation in
(06:02):
the electoral college. So here's what I think is so critical.
CNN's own data guy talked about how if you look
at the numbers today and the polls, the same pollsters
are off by the same degree they were not in
twenty sixteen but in twenty twenty. Here this is cart two.
(06:24):
Here is what that would mean for Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Look at Donald Trump's electoral vote total right now, if
the polls are exactly right, two hundred and sixty two.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But let's say the polls are off.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Like they were back in twenty twenty, Look where he goes.
He goes to three hundred and twelve. Why is that
because the polls underestimated Donald Trump in twenty twenty. So
the bottom line is, instead of losing those great Lake
battleground states, he.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Wins all of them.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He obviously holds on to North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona,
and he gains Nevada. So if the polls are as
good as they were in twenty twenty, despite the fact
that at this particular hour, Donald Trump trail and in
upstates to give Kamala Harris the victory, the polls were
off like they were in twenty twenty, Donald Trump would
actually win the election.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Three hundred and twelve electoral votes for Donald Trump. If
the polls that we're looking at today mirror the reality
of what the polls showed or the reality what the
votes were, I should say in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So here's the problem that we have. As it comes
big picture, we should add one more. There is a
Minneapolis Star Tribune poll that shows Kamala only up five
in Minnesota. Biden won Minnesota by seven in twenty twenty,
So if Kamala only won Mini app Minnesota by five,
(07:45):
that would be a very bad sign for her, particularly
because she added Tim Walls as her VP and he's
the governor of Minnesota, which theoretically would help somewhat in
that state. But here is the real question, and this
is one that we're going to be asking as we
sit six weeks in a day from actual election day,
as many of you out there are now able to
(08:06):
go out and vote, as early voting becomes in earnest
more and more common across the country, what are the
polls accuracy? In twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, they massively
underappreciated the poll of Donald Trump they got it wrong
both in sixteen and in twenty but in twenty two
(08:30):
we did not get the red wave that the polls
showed we were going to get.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So essentially, in.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Most of the most recent elections, the polls have not
only been wrong on the on the side of Democrats
in the presidentcy presidency, but they were also wrong on
the size of Republicans in twenty two. So my point
on this is, don't rely on any polling.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Go vote.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
The only thing you can control is whether you you
vote and your friends and family go vote. You should
make sure that you go vote. And Buck and I
are going to keep hammering this for all of you.
We're voting early. The first day that I can vote
is October sixteenth in my home state of Tennessee. I'm
showing up and voting. Buck's gonna vote early in Florida.
(09:18):
The data reflects I saw some early data coming out
of Virginia, Buck, that a lot of Republicans are starting
to vote early in the state of Virginia. And oh,
by the way, last week there was a poll suggesting
that Virginia is within a couple of points one way
or the other. That also not favorable to Kamala because
Biden won Virginia by ten in twenty twenty. If Kamala
(09:41):
is only up a couple of points in Virginia, that
speaks well for how this race may go. But again,
don't look at the polls. Don't worry about them. We're
going to tell you what they say because the data
is out there and it's part of the conversation. But
ultimately what a poll says shouldn't dictate whether you go.
Remember the worst poll that I saw out there of
(10:02):
a battleground state had Trump losing Wisconsin by seventeen points.
Do you remember that poll that came out right before
twenty twenty came down to twenty thousand votes? Did that
turn down some people who said, Oh, this thing's already decided,
nothing is decided. Make your voice heard. If you're not registered,
get registered. But get yourself, your friends, your family to
(10:25):
the polls.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's going to be tight. I think that's what everything shows.
And I also just want to throw in there, and
he'll be with us later in the week to look
at some of the numbers. Our buddy Ryan Gradusky, he
was on He's been on CNN as well recently, and
we'll talk to him about the latest numbers. I think
he'll be with us Wednesday or Thursday of this week.
But we've got another CNN guy second hour. Anyway, the
(10:48):
point is why am I so confident? Guys, reality here
is that Kamala Harris is a horrible candidate. It's not
Joe Biden was not a horrible candidate for and I
know that that sounds you know, oh, but no, no, no, no,
because yes, he had a decline. His decline has gotten
(11:08):
a lot worse for the last four years. But he
was in decline. But because of COVID, he was able
to hide, and because of COVID, a lot of people
wanted a grandfatherly figure who promised calm. It was all
a lie, we know that. But Biden made sense for
the Democrats. That's why Jim Clyburn in South Carolina and
the huge switch and no more big left wing you
(11:30):
know push from the Democrat primary. But Kamala Harris is
a terrible, terrible option. Okay, this is the truth, and
the numbers actually show that. Here's Ryan. This is from
about a little over a week ago, but he's talking
about the Kamala campaign and how it's down this cup
three play it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
She is the worst polling democrat against Donald Trump in
history on national polls. No one is performing worse than
our No one's froming wors among Blacks among his banks,
the worst warning democrat in modern history among the demographics,
or is performing polling wise among Jews. She is losing
key factions of the Democratic based Muslim voters. She's under
a fifty two and the latest CARE poll among Black Muslims,
(12:11):
she is not doing well.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I mean, that's a stunning statistic. That's CARE the Council
on Arab Islamic Relations, which sort of does like Muslim
anyway Muslim relations stuff at US Middle East. But Clay,
So it's not what I'm saying is it's not like
a Fox News poll. Kamala Harris is polling below fifty
percent with Black Muslims in America right now. I mean,
the numbers that she has with Jewish Americans in New
(12:36):
York are terrible. And the numbers that she's getting right
now for young people, particularly young people that you know
she's gonna have to count on in some of these
key states, not good. A little bit of a detail,
we come back, I'll hit you with this, but I
know this area a little bit because my father in
law used to have a business there. Ham Trammick, Michigan
is one of the largest Muslim dominated communities in the country.
(13:00):
The mayor of ham Trammick, who has like a seventy
percent approval rating in that small area of the Detroit,
Michigan larger metropolitan area, just endorse Trump. So we have
talked a lot about Trump's appeal with Jewish voters as
all of the mess continues in Israel. But also I
think Kamala Harris doesn't really connect with a lot of
(13:23):
Arab voters, a lot of Muslim voters as well. I
just think there's a lot of sort of eruptions in
the dam that are starting to become a parent to Democrats,
and they're trying to sort of cartoon style cover up
all of these major leaks, and it's getting bad. I
think over the next six weeks you're going to start
(13:44):
to see more of a panic setting. I don't know
if you saw this. Even Peggy Noonan in the Wall
Street Journal, who is I read that column not a
Trump fan, not a Trump fan, but she's like, this
Kamala game is all about just trying to run out
the clock. I mean, can you imagine run out clock
so people don't know who you are before they vote.
That's exactly she sees that. Everyone See what I mean
(14:05):
by bringing in, by bringing in Beggy Noonon is you
don't have to be a Trump voter to think they're
running out the clock. Everybody knows that she's running out
the clock. It's it's stunning. I've never seen anything like
I don't think anyone's seen anything like this in modern
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show up in
the New York City Studio.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Is Louisville alum.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Scott Jennings who is doing fantastic work on CNN and
I understand as we get started, you have a college
football take for me, Scott, So I'll let you begin
with this important pronouncement.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Yeah, we're going to Notre Dame this weekend and we're
gonna win. The Louisville Cardinals are going to beat Notre Dame.
Mark it down, bet it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
These guys, you guys with Jeff Brohm, have been a
revelation in terms of how quickly he's brought you back
into the Promised Land. You're a top fifteen caliber team
for people out there who are not big college football fans.
I appreciate the prediction, Scott. I will be down at
the Georgia Alabama game. Donald Trump also going to be there.
Let's start with this question. Because you're a college football fan,
(16:34):
this buck is kind of.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Come to realize that I trust college football fans no
matter who you root for. I just think you're normal,
everyday Americans. I think that the idea that Michigan, penn State, Wisconsin,
Michigan State, all of these different fan bases in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
and Wisconsin are gonna in some way put Kamala Harris
(16:59):
into the White House is just fundamentally wrong. I think
she doesn't connect with the average Midwestern voter. You're in Kentucky,
a little bit south of the primary Midwest, But do
you get that sense as well?
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yeah, I get the sense that the Democratic Party over
the last several years and including right now, has completely
lost touch with the average middle American voter. I mean
it's an urban party, it's a party of college campuses.
And I don't necessarily even mean you know, the students,
I mean the professors. I mean that that's who they are,
That's who they cater to. And the average college football
(17:33):
fan in those states. I mean, when Donald Trump walks
into that stadium, what are you gonna hear?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What are you gonna be?
Speaker 6 (17:39):
And so you'll know what the score is when he
walks out there among that particular fan base.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And so yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I think the Democrats have a huge problem in middle
America and rural America. And you know you were playing
the white guys for Harris thing earlier. I mean, they
have no idea how to communicate and get it back,
none whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So Scott, you know, I am a CNN Concernervative alumni
from years years past, and I just want to say,
I think you're doing You're doing great work over there.
For a while early in the Trump years, they basically
weren't allowing conservatives on. I mean, I just never saw any.
I don't know. Maybe maybe they were allowing a few
want here and there. But you're doing a good job
(18:18):
representing truth, sanity, the American way, all that over there.
We play your clips on the air. We played some
just before what's the I'll tell you this, I'll get
give you a little anecdom. When I was there for
the Democrat primary, they were all pro not all, but
the the in the breaks conversation was Bernie Sanders is
(18:39):
the real deal? Hillary is a big donor phony. A
lot of the commentators would say that off air. The
cameras would go on and they were, oh, Hillary Clinton
is the best candidate, you know, because that's just what
they thought they were supposed to say because Zucker was
in charge. What is the I mean, as as the
kids say these days, the vibe of the Democrat commentators
(18:59):
when it came to this Kamala campaign. Are they panicking
in the green room and telling you everyone that it's
just fine on the air? What take us behind the
curtain a little bit?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Yeah, Well, first of all, I just want to credit
my employer, CNN for allowing these debates to occur. I'm
in New York every Monday and Tuesday night. We're having
this ten o'clock show. Abby Phillip is the host. Some
of the clips you play come right out of that show.
I mean, we're having actual debates. So if you want
to hear conservatives and liberals go at it, CNN's allowing
it to unfold. I think on the Democratic side, it
depends on who you talk to. I mean, the person
(19:31):
I probably spend the most time with is David Axelrod,
former Obama advisor, And you know, he's been pretty clear
on the air and off the air that he thinks
this election could go either way, that there's a world
where Trump wins, there's a world where Harris wins. He's
been preaching to the Democrats not to be irrational exuberance.
Of course, he was ahead of the curve on Biden too.
(19:51):
He was one of the lone voices out there a
warning about Biden before the rest of the Democrats caught
up to him. So I think there's a healthy mixture
of people.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Let me follow this up with this, Scott, is it
and I would just tell you about the U CNN.
I mean a lot of people that I know, you know,
Kaylee Mcanenny was there, Ben Ferguson was. I mean, there
used to be a lot of conservatives then early in
the Trump years there was kind of a house cleaning
of conservatives over there. I'm glad to see that under
new leadership, they are allowing debates to happen. So yeah,
that's why we play those debates on the air. But
(20:20):
what I really want to know is are any of
the Democrats you come across truly excited about a Kamala
campaign over there? And I mean you don't have the
name names, but I'm talking about the off camera utterances.
I'm talking about. You know, what do they really think
about how this is unfolding? Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
I think a couple are excited about it without naming names,
and but I think it may be, you know, for
one reason or the other. I think a few are
still pretty nervous about it. Of course, most of them
would tell you they're just excited that Biden is not
the nominee. I mean, I think everybody had realized by
the summer this dude was cooked, right. I mean, there
was no possible way he was going to win. They
were headed for a landslide defeat. I think everybody had
(21:00):
internalize that, and so you give them any other candidate
and they're going to be happy about this. But you know,
it's interesting. There's a there's a wide spectrum of thoughts
on her over there. My views are, there's more to
be There's more to being president than just not being
Donald Trump. That's her entire campaign. I'm not Trump. Therefore
you have to vote for me, and I don't have
to answer any of your questions. I'm sort of insulted
by it, and that's going to be where my position is.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
This week, we're talking to Scott Jennings on CNN. You
can watch him there. Art, what do you attribute the
willingness to suddenly allow debates to take place again? Because
what I've seen you do, what I've seen Ryan Gardusky
start to do, is actually push back on narratives. We
played the clip, the blood bath clip. There's a lot
of things that have become democrat or orthodoxy that don't
(21:43):
get challenged on the air. I think what you do
is very important because it forces people to recognize what
the actual truth sometimes is. You can agree or disagree
on what the tax code should be, as we often
say on on this show. But when it comes to
whether the very Fine People hoax occurred, when it comes
to the idea of Trump saying there's going to be
a bloodbath, a lot of those things are Democrat party,
(22:05):
are orthodoxy, and are not supported. When did you start
to recognize CNN was maybe more interested in having legitimate
debates as opposed to just having one side of the
equation covered.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Well, I've been on the network for a few years now,
and you know, I've been thrown in there over a
lot of different iterations of a lot of different shows,
and so I always feel like I'm pretty supported. I
think as the election got closer, and you know, you
go back to the twenty twenty election, it was weird.
We were all in our boxes. There was no debates
that we were traveling to, and nobody's going to the conventions.
(22:35):
This cycle's been more normal. We've been out there. CNN.
I think had a great debate in June, we had
good convention coverage, and I think as we've gone on
in the cycle, and now with this new ten o'clock
show that Abby is hosting, there's obviously a willingness for
both sides to get a chance to make the case.
And I feel very good about what we're doing. I
heard you say earlier. You know MSNBC, you're not going
(22:57):
to catch any of that over there, correct and so
and so. I run into people in airports and out
in the world all the time who tell me things
like I don't agree with you, but I'm glad that
you're on there, because I do want to hear what
both sides are saying and what the views on the
issues are. I think there's a hunger for actual debate,
not people to get steamrolled and not people to beat tokens,
(23:17):
and not people to be like, oh, I'm a Republican,
but I've never voted Republican. I think there's an actual
hunger for real political debate in this country. And you
mentioned Ryan. He's doing a great job. But that's what
I'm committed to doing, having a real debate, and I
think people want.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
To watch it.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
And I think this ten o'clock show, for instance, that
the ratings bear it out. People do want to watch
an actual debate. Somebody's willing to stand up for their
own views.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
This used to be, this was CNN pre Trump, which
is when I started working there, Scott, they would have
on real Republicans, real conservatives to make the case there
was a change in leadership. There was some Trump's arrangement syndrome,
and now I think they're getting back to that, which
makes sense. As a not you're talking about what the
American people want. I agree with it. I think there
should be more a real exchange of ideas. But also
(24:00):
as a business model, you know, they can be a
news network that actually has on both sides and that
then becomes their identity in a sense, and I think
it used to be much more centennd identity. So I
like that. But back to this campaign and how you
think it's going at this point. Is there anything that
you think the Trump campaign should either have additional focus
(24:21):
on or if you were to give a constructive critique
in some way. I mean, I'm just wondering what your
focus is for Trump and the campaign between now an
election day to get it done.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
I think the entire campaign for Trump comes down to
these low and no propensity voters think I heard why
you say it earlier.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
That's the whole campaign. His base is immovable, They're not
going to change.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're with him.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
You know, the people who vote in a lot of elections,
but this low propensity and no propensity voting block, and
they're doing it. They're courting them.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Trump shows up at places that sometimes presidential candidates don't
always show up. That's the ballgame for him. You turn
out the low and no propensity voters, these young men,
for instance, You're gonna win the election. That's the whole games.
If I were in their shoes, I wouldn't be worried
so much about reeling in some of these people who've
never voted for you in three elections what have I
(25:12):
would be fully focused on a turnout operation. Low no
propensity voters. They inherently do not love the government. They
don't believe what they're hearing from the government and institutions.
In some ways, they've been crushed under the Biden Harris economy,
and they know who is crushing them, and they want
somebody to shake it up. And that's how they saw
Trump before, and that's how they'll see him again. That's
(25:33):
the whole ballgame for him.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Scott.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We saw the data come out earlier this morning. I'm
sure you saw it be talking about it at Arizona, Georgia,
North Carolina, per the New York Times, all in Trump's
camp right now, somewhat close there, which would mean that
Kamala has to sweep Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Yes, circling
(25:55):
back on that, do you think she will sweep? And
if that is her pathway and I think it is
in Nebraska, should they change the law and go all
the states to the winner of the state or should
they continue to have that one floating dot of an
electoral vote that could put Kambala in the White House Omaha,
(26:17):
Nebraska could put Kamala in the White House two seventy
two sixty eight. That's not a crazy scenario right now.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, what you laid out is her most likely path.
And I'm spare me the whining. By the way, if
the Trump folks and Trump himself want to change the
rules in Nebraska, I mean they've tried to throw him
off the ballot. You know, they replace their candidate in
midsummer in a totally unprecedented fashion. And now you're mad
that Donald Trump's trying to scratch out an advantage in Nebraska, which,
(26:43):
by the way, is an outlier. Most states don't do
it this way, correct, So they're an allies. I got
no I don't know what they're gonna do, but I
got no problem with them trying to trying to get
an advantage.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Is there any doubt Democrats would do it if they
had this same of course they they'll do anything.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
They will literally do anything to stop You've already got that.
Congressman Raskin has already talked about in the press. If
Trump wins, they're going to try to stop the certification
of the Electoral College. They will do anything to stop
this guy from winning the election or taking office. I
firmly believe that on the pathway, I think you got
it exactly right. I still think Pennsylvania is the tipping
(27:21):
points state, and I still think it's the weakest of
the three for Harris. Her own campaign and some of
our own CNN reporting has acknowledged that Pennsylvania's is very difficult.
So that's the game. I thought the Sun Belt polling
this morning for Trump was good. I do think people
are worried about North Carolina. I still think he has
the advantage down south. But if he wins Pennsylvania and
(27:42):
he holds a sun Belt or wins a sun belt.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
He's going to be the next president. So the whole
thing Pennsylvania or a bust in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Scott Jennings from CNN, thanks so much, man for being
with us. And don't let those left wingers ambush you.
Give you too much guff over there. All right, we'll
fight them every day.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Brother, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I love your show. Thank you work, thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's doing fabulous work there. We appreciate him hopping in
the New York City studio.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
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Speaker 1 (30:22):
Wanted to return to something you're not seeing a lot
of in the media, and that is more coverage and
follow up to the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
There it is not an apparent assassination attempt, as they
were saying for days afterwards. This guy, in every sense
wanted to kill President Trump, prepared to do it, the
(30:45):
means to do it, planning, plan the whole thing out,
plotted it out with a twelve hours on that golf course,
uh and and managed to figure out where Trump would be.
I mean, it's scary. I know that, you know our sense,
you know, Clay. I just want to put this in
context because Trump took a bullet in the ear and
there were multiple rounds fired around his head and somebody
(31:07):
was killed. As we know at that rally. Our sense
of this attack is that this is kind of substantially
less of a threat. I think that's that's just the
way it goes, right, you know. But it's a little
bit like we almost got hit by a freight train
and then we almost got hit by a truck on
the sidewalk, you know, going sixty miles an hour, and
(31:29):
you're like, well, it wasn't at least it wasn't a
freight train, right. Our sense what I mean is the
second assassination attempt on Trump would have been by far
the most dangerous attempt on a presidential candidate and former
president since Ronald Reagan alone. Correct Like the second attempt,
people I think are a little more like, oh, well,
(31:49):
you know, at least he didn't get shot, because he
did in the first one. This was dangerously close to
more shots being fired at President Trump. We have some
additional information on this. I think I said last week
when I looked at the photo in New York Post
that it's an SKS rifle that has been confirmed. So
it's a semi automatic SKS rifle had a detachable curved magazine,
(32:14):
had a scope added to it for longer range shooting fires.
A seven to six ' two round this would were
absolutely sufficient for somebody who was trying to conduct some
kind of an assassination attempt to have this rifle under
these circumstances. So the guy knew at least what he
was doing with regard to that, which makes him a
greater threat. New to find cover or concealment, and even
(32:38):
a degree of cover by setting up these plates ceramic
bulletproof plates, not really bulletproof, but you know, bullet resistant,
you could say plates in bags. And we also, Clay
have the note that he wrote, dear world, I mean
to talk to us. You said this to me over
the weekend. Yeah, this guy really thought that he was
going to become a global hero by assassin a former
(33:01):
and likely future US president.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So this letter was released officially, I think early this morning,
late last night, and it is from the would be assassin.
And I think to your point, it's very important that
we recognize this the one attempt in Butler, PA. Because
it was on film and because Trump was hit struck
(33:24):
people in a way that it was impossible to ignore.
I think a lot of people who are casual followers
of the news aren't even aware that this guy would
have been camped out for twelve hours beside the golf course,
and that he had a go pro and that he
was prepared to film himself, and that he was saying
that he needed to kill Trump because Joe Biden and
(33:46):
Kamala Harris convinced him that Trump was a direct threat
against democracy. But what strikes me, Buck, and I'm curious
what your analysis of this would be. The guy says
in the letter that if he fails, he will pay
someone one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to kill Trump. Now,
this guy's clearly crazy. This would be assassin. The second
(34:08):
would be assassin one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He
doesn't have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But it's
not like he said, I'll give you fifteen million or
one hundred and fifty million. It's very strange one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. But why did they publish this letter?
And the reason why I ask that question is we
(34:31):
frequently are told, for instance, with the trans shooter Manifesto
in the state of Tennessee, where I'm from in Nashville,
it still hasn't been officially published, and the FBI and
authority said, well, we don't want to encourage another round
of shooting based on some of the things that were
(34:51):
written in this Trans Manifesto. Right, that's the logic by
which they chose not to publish it. How just putting
a letter out where a guy put it's bounty on
Trump's head and encourages other people to kill him, how
does that follow the logic of not releasing the Trans Manifesto?
(35:13):
Because what I would argue Buck is there isn't a
consistent principle here. If your position is, hey, these crazy manifestos,
these crazy letters, were always going to publish them, like
they published the guy who shot up the grocery store
in El Paso, Texas. Remember his manifesto got out. They
eventually published the Unibomber's manifesto. What seems to me to
(35:35):
be the standard that's being applied here? And tell me
what I'm missing? And I'm by the way eight hundred
two eight two two eight a two. You guys, maybe
I'm missing something here. You guys can analyze. How could
you justify not publishing the Trans Manifesto because you said
you were concerned that it would encourage additional shootings, but
you do publish The second would be assassin's letter where
(35:57):
he says, somebody else needs to kill Trump if he can't,
and I'll give you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
if you do it. Either publish everything from crazy people
or publish nothing from crazy people. I don't understand the
logic of publishing this one and not publishing the trans
shooter you got, you got my entire year. Yeah, absolutely,
I think there is no logic other than they didn't
want people to be focused on a transshooter who was
(36:20):
upset about what she believed to be anti trans policy,
So they just made this one off exception. It's the
notion that we're not going to release information that is
pertinent to not only an investigation, but an issue of
public safety and public security. In motive, of course, this
was a this was a one and done or at
(36:42):
least one and done for this situation rule that they
came up with. If they had no intention of the
rationale behind keeping the trans trans Terrorists Manifesto secret would
not be applied by the people using it to any
other circumstance that did not involve another trans terrorist, you
(37:02):
know what I mean. Yeah, So, so they never thought
that they were they were never acting on principle, it
was just political favoritism, and then they try to after
the fact justified in this way.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
But but what you say with this guy is, look,
I mean a lot of the arguments that he makes
here are the arguments that they have foreign policy experts
making on you know, Mourning Joe, which is you know,
this is he's a threat to the world. I'm doing
this for the world. That's all. This guy was obsessed
with Ukraine. I mean, you know, you see that if
you have convinced enough people, enough people that Donald Trump
(37:37):
is a unique threat to end the Republic and to
the war, to the global order. Yeah, or part of
this that we don't talk about because we're emotionally stable people.
Klan are emostly stable, happy people who try to live
in reality like you, which is why all of you
are listening to the show. We're emotionally stable, overwhelmingly happy
people that love our country and want what's best for
ourselves and our families and our neighbors. Right, A lot
(37:59):
of leftists are Luna. Yes, they honestly have a mental
instability that is either exacerbated or caused by their chosen politics.
We can argue about which one of those. It really is.
They've been saying, not only is Trump a threat to
the Republic Clay, that that he's gonna let dictators, whether
it's Putin or North Korea's Kim Jong un, do whatever
(38:20):
they want, destabilize the world order and lead to nuclear war.
I mean, this is the argument. This is the event
which I know, it's like it's going in deep into
the rabbit hole and going into crazy town. Trump is
the guy who keeps us out of wars, but they
argue that he's actually a threat of massive wards. You
know what I'm saying, And that's part of their whole logic.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
If the goal of I really can't get around releasing
this letter other than trying to encourage someone else to
kill Trump, I really can't. I mean, I think everybody
knows what the motive was of the guy who showed
up to kill Trump. He wanted to kill Trump. So
I'm not persuaded that this letter changes anything in terms
(39:06):
of the motive. And again, I don't understand why publishing
it but for the encouragement of other crazy people to
try to kill Trump, what the purpose of this would
be otherwise?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, And also he wrote in this or rather, they've
they've done some investigation of his social media footprint everything else.
He was looking for how to get from Florida to Mexico,
which I don't know if I were. You know, if
you're thinking about where you would try to escape the US,
first of all, you'd want to get to a non
extradition or a country that has a history of refusing
(39:42):
extraditions before. But for do you know what some of
the I know you know this is a kind of
a specialized area flow. Do you know what some of
the non extradition countries out there are? Partly because we
talked about it last night at our fancy steak dinner,
you knew more about this than I did. A lot
of the countries that are non extraditable countries are not
places that you would want to live. North Korea I'm
not going to not on the list. What else do
(40:05):
we a China, which I mean, yes, advanced, but I
don't think you're gonna have a great time living in China.
I don't think they would like me very much, and
they might they might decide to just turn you over anyway.
They won't turn over a Chinese national though Belarus and Russia.
You gotta like the cold, then you gotta like vodka.
I'm just saying those lists. I guess Russia would be
the best. Well, there's there's more. I you know, I've
(40:27):
been to Vietnam. Vietnam is actually very I think you know,
they didn't have extra according to I just did a
Google search, so we can blame you know, blame doctor
Google if this is wrong. But Vietnam I don't think
has has a formal extradition country. There are a few
iran not going around. I don't think you start to
look at this like where.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Were Afghanistan not going to Afghanistan?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yep, that's not that's not in the Taliban. I don't
think we would get along. Well, not gonna have a
great time. There are some other Gulf states in the
Middle least. But the point is if you're trying to
go full on non extradition, you have very limited options and.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So it's hard to get there. A lot of these
countries you can't even fly into.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, Lebanon is yeah, Lebanon no haslaw that's going to
be rough.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, that's where the guy from who was the CEO
right of the car company fled to Beirut right because
there was no extra diable. I think they put it
in the carry case right out of Japan. Yes, that's fine,
and that is one. Yeah, that is one. I remember
that he had done the specific research. Now I think
he was also a Lebanese citizen, the guy who was,
(41:29):
So that's what makes a huge to get there, whether
they let you right, whether they let you in the
country anyway, this guy was trying. The point here is
that this guy knew what he was doing, set up
to do it, had the equipment to do it, had
scoped out where he where he thought Trump would be,
was at a location where Trump was going to be vulnerable,
got away, Yes, initially. I mean I bring this up
(41:50):
because it's not unthinkable that this guy could have gotten
from Florida to an island in the Caribbean to Cuba
where I don't know, you know, I don't know, so
if he get turned I probably wouldn't get turned over.
I think they technically have an extradition treaty with the US,
but they don't honor it anyway. I don't know if
you get a lawyer on who knows about extra territorial law.
(42:11):
But the point here, Clay is this was a like.
I said, this would have been the most dangerous, most
serious assassination attempt on a president since Ronald Reagan got
shot in the eighties. And this was the second most
dangerous attack against Trump in the last two months, and
it barely got twenty four hours of coverage. And now
to me, it feels like they're further incentivizing assassination attempts
(42:35):
by publishing this guy's letter, which included a charge, a challenge,
an offer of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars if
someone were able to complete the job of assassinating Trump,
which he didn't do. Again, what is the logic here?
I would just like it to be applied consistently. It's
too dangerous to get the trans manifesto, shooters information and
(42:57):
words out there, but this one immediately gets a real least.
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Speaker 1 (44:19):
Welcome back in. We have Carol Markowitz aunt Mary Catherine
Ham joining us now to talk about the launch of
their new podcast, which they're hosting together normally. And my understanding, ladies,
and I'll just because we're on radio, I'll try to clarify.
We'll start with you, Carol. We'll get to you, Mary
in a second. My understanding is you're can talk about stuff,
(44:43):
it's not just politics, and a lot of the moms
listening across America will want to hear what you guys
have to say.
Speaker 8 (44:50):
You know, we're not exclusive to moms. Dads are welcome.
You know, Clay said best release the child this cat.
People are welcome. Everyone's welcome to our Normally podcast to
be normal conversation from normal people from normal people, and that's.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's our goal there, I think is super important, and
we're excited to have this debut tomorrow as part of
the Clay and Buck podcast network. Mary Catherine Ham, I'll
bring you in and I would encourage you guys to
follow Carol Markowitz and Mary Katherine Ham on social media
because I think you guys are really going to enjoy
these conversations. I've talked with both of you guys, and
(45:26):
I feel like the mom perspective is actually underrepresented in
terms of just sort of the common sense universe. I
think Megan Kelly has done a good job speaking to
moms out there, and to Carroll's point, when to talk
to you guys are talking to everybody. But as I
think collectively, the moms of seven kids.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I think I've got that right.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
You can correct me if I'm wrong on the on
the numbers there, what do you think is not being
shared and what audience do you think is not really
being reflected in media? Do you buy into to that
might be there?
Speaker 7 (46:01):
Yeah, I think that. Look, we are different from a
lot of political elites, particularly those who are elected to
office national office, and that we like you know, buy
groceries regularly and drive our kids around to activities and
feel the pain of having to make those decisions in
this time of inflation. And I feel like there are
a lot of people who are not as connected to that.
(46:22):
And I joke that we're sort of normy adjacent because
we're not exactly normal because we pay a lot of
attention to the news. But we can be useful to
people who are normy because we can filter all that
news and talk about it normally, which is the idea.
But I think, look, the inflation problems, the economy, immigration
and safety issues, these are all things that moms, suburban
(46:42):
women care about.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
Right.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
It's a really important demo, and there is some attempt
to speak to it. Child Care costs is another thing,
but I think people get so bogged down in the
regular politics of a day and are not able to
just have a conversation with otherwise normy moms about that
are affecting their lives. So we hope that we can
do that and sort of filter out some of the
(47:04):
heightened emotion that many cable news outlets bring to the
to the table, which I had to deal with when
I was at CNN, and just like, let's actually examine
these things, you.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Know, Carol. Over the weekend I was seeing I saw
a few different friends here in South Florida, and it's
funny because you know, you know what they all are
talking about, not so much the election. They're all talking
about how puff Daddy p Diddy Sean Combe is in
prison and being held, you know, without bail until he's
(47:34):
until his trial. And I can't even really say on
the radio, like what's in all of these articles because
of some of the material and stuff that they have found.
But do you find that this here's the sort of
the thesis that was being brought up to me speaking of
like what more normal folks are in considered in other
than just the polls, is that Sean Combs isn't just
(47:55):
a guy who made a lot of money in the
music industry. He was celebrating by name somebody who's really
big and powerful in the culture and in politics in
this country. And yet he had been arrested or almost
arrested I should say almost arrested, but alleged to have
been involved in crimes many, many times over the years.
(48:15):
What does this say about the culture that this guy
was able to get away with what he got away
with as long as he did, And now all of
a sudden, everyone's like, oh, I've never seen him before.
He was like sitting at Anna Winter's table at the
met galap For people who watch this stuff.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Yeah, well, it's funny because Mary Catherine and I talk
about this, how when a scandal breaks, like Harvey Weinstein,
everyone's like, oh, everybody knew, everybody knew, And this time
it's kind of like, oh, no, I had no idea
about p Diddy. This is new information you have presented
me with. It's an interesting story because he has been
so in the limelight for so long. I mean, I
(48:52):
see him as the guy who ruined many Biggie Smalls
albums by inserting his into all of his songs. He
is some people who put you know, a lot of
young rappers on the map. Basically, he has a lot
of people who owe him, so it's interesting to watch
his decline. Of course, you also mentioned or in passing
(49:14):
with the story of the gun and the club with
Jennifer Lopez and his passenger See and then another rapper,
Shine went away for that crime, and the rumor always
was that he did he paid him a million dollars
for it. All of this kind of stuff has been
around for a long time, so it's interesting to watch
him actually get kind of pegged on.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
This interesting choice of words.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Mary Catherine Buck and I were talking last night at
dinner that based on what happened to Epstein, the puff
Daddy story, p Diddy, whatever you want to call him,
it feels very epstein esque and whatever you think the
idea that Epstein in an area that's supposed to be
super secure, the video is not running, the security guard
(49:58):
falls asleep, suddenly he kills him self. There were a
lot of allegations about video and who was involved. It
seems like there are potentially a ton of celebrities involved.
Oh they're not giving Diddy a bail. Do you see
an overlap here? Potentially with Epstein and Ditty in terms
of maybe what happened to Epstein, but also the celebrity
(50:20):
involvement and maybe some different blackmail involved also. I mean,
I see these stories as very much connected.
Speaker 7 (50:29):
One overlap is that I'm afraid to read the indictment
because it sounds so disgusting, So I gotta steal myself
for that.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Two.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
Yeah, my smart friend Emily's Nati, also a great mom
of three, called it Epstein for millennials because we know
all these figures. And one thing on the mom front
that strikes me about all these stories is particularly with
celebrities and celebrity kids, wonder Can singers and the like.
(50:57):
You know, Usher was friends with Diddy at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Bieber's in there.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
Doing stuff with him very young, and that worries me
and it makes me think for my front, talking to
my kids about like why can't we be on YouTube?
And it's like, well, this is why you will never
have a path to any mogul's house ever while you
are in my care. And I think that's something that
(51:22):
lights up for people in this demographic when you look
at these types of stories. And to Carol's point, one
of the things we'd like to talk about on the
podcast is things that everyone did know that the media
ignores for two years until they can safely tell the
story later. That is messed up to me. It's something
that normal people clock early, but the elites will not
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sort of let it be talked about, and I think
that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Speaking to Carol Markuitz and Mary Catherine Ham their new podcast, normally,
when's the first episode Guys Tomorrow comes out tomorrow? Right now,
so now is a great time to subscribe to the
Clay and Buck podcast network. We also have Jan Parnell
and Lisa Booth and other friends of ours who are
doing great shows. But this normally show getting a lot
(52:09):
of a lot of hype online. Some people are saying Clay
probably going to be amazing, probably gonna set download records
and and Caeryl. I feel like this is also part
of a of a of a broader conversation, which is
I understand that people can say, like, oh, like, don't
subscribe to Netflix and don't engage in the culture if
it's going to be left wing and all this other stuff,
(52:30):
but there also needs to be a culture for normal people,
right It can't just be walling yourself off from whether
it's like the Sean Combe p Diddy stuff of the
world that's in the news cycle and you know, not
wanting to be you know, have that enter your consciousness.
But also we have to create content of our own.
Speaker 8 (52:48):
Absolutely. You know, again this is not to flatter you guys,
but I think that you guys do this so well
where you speak to normal people and they feel like
they know you, and they feel like you, guys are
You're not screaming at them, We're saying crazy things where
you know, we're going to take a page out of
that book and hopefully do the same on normally for
(53:09):
you know, a similar audience. So I love what you
guys do, and I think that that is exactly right.
We need to engage people on the right in culture,
and we need to have conversations, and we need to
produce content, and we need to do all of that
and not just leave them kind of hanging and say,
you know, boycott this and boycott that.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Mary Catherine, I'm going down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, speaking of
normally normally to watch your Georgia Bulldogs play against Alabama.
I want to get your take on what you expect
to happen in the game. But my thesis here, and
I may be completely wrong. We'll see whether I'm right
or wrong, is that college football fans, football fans in general,
(53:53):
loom extra large in the battleground states. Your state of
Georgia where you are right now, North Carolina. Condolences to
North Carolina and NC State who both got absolutely obliterated,
and you still have to root for the Carolina Panthers.
But then you've got the big ten states, Wisconsin where
I just was a couple of weeks ago, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
(54:14):
what's going to happen, Georgia, Bama. Do you buy into
me that quote unquote the normal football fan of America,
which I think it's fair to say Kamala tried to
appeal to with Walls, is going to break Trump pretty
significantly over Kamala. I'm curious how you would break that down.
Speaker 7 (54:30):
Look, I do think that's true, and I think this
is a gap in understanding for a lot of people
in Washington and a lot of people in sort of
elite media that don't understand how important football is to
so very many people in this country and have some
trouble relating to it. There are a few people who
maybe went to an SEC school and get it, but
(54:50):
they're few and far between. So I think you're right
that this is sort of a normy voter block, right
of huge football fans.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
That's why Trump going to try to.
Speaker 7 (55:00):
Go to this game. Is is he still going?
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I think they were working.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah. My understanding is he's going to be there. Yes.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
My understanding is they're going to He's going to be
in the stadium. He's going to be at this game,
which is, for those of you who are not football fans,
the biggest college football game of the year so far.
It's going to be a massive earthquake like style game. Right,
So this is why he's going.
Speaker 7 (55:20):
And as far as what's going to happen, I know
for sure that I will be extremely nervous and I
don't know if I could handle being there in person.
I would gladly take a ticket, but I don't know
if I can handle it. I will be at my house, cozy,
trying to deal with my nerves. We have a bit
of a we have a great program under Kurby Smart
(55:40):
and a little bit of a mental block for many
years with taking on Alabama. Almost every time we take
them on, so I'm always concerned.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Ladies laid out good luck to you with the podcast
coming out tomorrow normally, thanks, I think you should normally
be listening to it. Check it out Mary Katherine Ham
and Carol Markowitz. Thanks ladies, thank you very much. You know,
speaking of moms, we just talked to two awesome ones.
I want to take a moment to tell you about
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