November 13, 2024 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I
hope all of you are having a fantastic start to
your day. We're ready to make that a little bit better.
Our buddy Alex Berenson is going to swing by and
hang out with us in the two PM. Our only
guests that we have scheduled right now. Just FYI, but
we do have some good news that broke yesterday afternoon evening.
(00:24):
We've been telling you that it was going to happen
for some time. The House is in Republican hands, which means, Buck,
we have got a clean sweep on the twenty twenty
four election. We were hoping for a red wave or
red tsunami in twenty twenty two. Instead, we had to
wait a couple of years more for it to arrive.
(00:46):
But it has arrived. Republicans will control the Senate, the House,
and the White House, and tomorrow, I would say big
news will be who the Senate majority leader is. But
Trump can continues to fill out his cabinet. Reports that
Marco Rubio, who Buck was just in studio with a
couple of weeks ago. We've had him on the program
(01:08):
quite a lot. Senator from Florida is going to be
Secretary of State. The ongoing rollout of the Trump cabinet, Buck,
it feels kind of flawless to me so far in
terms of everybody that they are putting in positions of
prominence and power. And as a result, we've got some
(01:28):
things to be pretty excited about as the transition period
is fully underway. We got some drama, Buck. I don't
know if you've seen this video yet, but Jill Biden
gave an unbelievable cold shoulder to Kamala and Doug at
the Veterans Day ceremony, which I believe is the first
(01:48):
time they've been in the same place in some time.
I cannot wait for these books to come out, for
the true story to be told. But the fallout is
significant and massive on the left. MSNBC has just abandoned.
Everybody has left MSNBC, CNN. Buck. We talked about this,
and I do think it's consequential, and we got some
(02:08):
fun clips for you, But all the talk was how
will they respond to losing. It seems like so far
the response is not let's throw a fist up. We're
going to be the resistance, which is what we saw
in twenty sixteen, and we're going to flood CNN and MSNBC.
In the Washington Post of New York Times, it feels
like they are maybe angry at the media that told
(02:31):
them Kamala was going to win, and just almost a
form of resignation setting in. As Trump comes into near
total power in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They're waiting to see what they can coalesce around as
the new resistance, because they've got nothing right now. They
went all in on January sixth, fascism, the end of democracy,
and it didn't work, and it's not going to work
going forward. Right there that Trump isn't running again, so
they can just whine about how there won't be another
(03:03):
election or whatever it is they're going to say. No
one's paying attention, No one really cares. I do think
Clay that the likeliest place for the administration. Just to
be clear, We've got Mark or Rubio likely to be
Secretary of State, right We've got Tom Holman running Immigrations
and Customs Enforcement. We've got Susie Wiles as White House
(03:27):
Chief of Staff. It is believed that the and this
could have changed even while I was reading in in
the last hour, but it's believed Stephen Miller will be
deputy White House Chief of Staff. I don't know if
that's been a there what is. There's what is told
to the media by the Trump team, and then there's
what is or rather that the media tells us they
were told, and what the Trump campaign has confirmed not
(03:49):
necessarily the same a Trump transition, rather has confirmed not
necessarily the same thing. Christy Nome has been named as
the head of DHS. Look Trump on a huge victory.
He gets to pick his team. He learned a lot
over the first four years. I'm not going to sit
here as somebody who just comments on things and and
(04:09):
second guess him. I was a little surprised by that one.
All I can say is if she's part of the
Trump administration, I wish her all the success in the world,
and hope that this Trump team that he's assembling, whether
it's Gnome, Home and Miller, Wiles, Rubio, I just hope
that they kick ass. Honestly, I just want to I
just want our team to win. And Trump has earned
(04:30):
the right to pick the team that he wants to
have around him, not all of them, some of them.
Clay I think would would have been if he asked me,
if he asked me personally, I would have given him
some of these very same names. You know, Steven Miller
in a very senior White House roles, Susie Wiles obviously
after running a phenomenal campaign. You know, Marco Rubio at State.
You know Rick Renell, Marco Rubio. I mean, these are
(04:52):
I think you're gonna get pretty similar policies out of
either of them. We don't really know, but they're both
competent guys, they're both loyal guys. Christin again, I'm surprised,
but that's Trump's choice, and I hope she does a
phenomenal job. I hope she does all the deportations that
this administration has planned. And so anybody who's on the
Trump team has has my full support and best wishes
(05:13):
to get the mission accomplished. They were crowing a little
bit on morning Joe Clay, This was sad. This was sad,
not sad, but it was kind of it was a
little bit of a wamp wlump. They are now going
with the Trump is the phenomenon, not the Republican Party.
Look at the battleground Senate races. Carry Lake just lost.
(05:35):
Carry Lake just lost again. Okay, carry Lake lost in
a state where Donald Trump won by six points? Is
that right?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Basically six points?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Basically six we'll call it six points. She lost by
between two and three points. That's on the candidate. I
don't know what else to say. We supported Carrie, We
wish her all the best. She seems like a lovely person,
but she didn't get it done in that state. Very
sad about about Brown losing in Nevada. That's to uh
(06:06):
forgetting her name right now.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But to the Jackie Rosen, we had throws, super close
losses in Michigan, Mike Rodgers and and our friend Eric Hovedy,
who we had on this program. A lot those are
if everything had gone perfectly, Buck, we could have won
fifty seven Senate seats because all four of those were
very winnable.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I would say the new narrative, Clay, is that
it was that really the Trump Kamala thing. Kamala got smoked,
but obviously, but the Democrat Republican thing as in other races,
very close Democrats. I'm telling you, this is what they're
saying on Morning Joe. So this is what the talking
(06:45):
points are now. It's closer than people realize just need
to basically just need a better top of the ticket
candidate for the next election. And going into the midterms,
they feel like they're in a pretty good spot. I'm
just telling you they've they're already in the rebutd and
reforming the narrative zone here. And we took you know,
we took some tough losses. The Hubby thing was skin
(07:07):
of teeth, but that's that's a very tough state. We
you know, we had Eric on a lot here, A
lot of you went out and voted for him. Now
that was going to be tricky against an incumbent. Kerry
Lake should have won that Senate See, I don't know
what else to say. She should have won that Senate seat.
Now we're down a seat. Now we still have a majority,
but every seat matters, especially when you see that the
map gets a lot harder for Republicans in the next
election cycle. This is where we are.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I do think the challenge for them, and I
would love to have Joe Scarborough on is that requires
what they're now pivoting to requires them acknowledging that Trump
is a transcendently popular individual figure.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Which is what he's saying without saying it just to
they be that's saying it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the next step of that is this guy's an
incredibly talented politician. He has great appeal, which is the
exact opposite of what they've argued for nearly a decade
that he's an act dental president, that Russia put him
over to the edge. That is, I would say, if
you want to point to the most disappointing thing about
twenty twenty four is we were oh soo achingly close
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to winning fifty seven Senate seats, and if you go
back and look at Sam Brown, Kerry Lake, Mike Rodgers,
and Eric Huvdy, I think they were all for the
better candidate. Now Buck, it's worth pointing out that they
probably didn't point that out. Three of those individuals are incumbents.
So you're having to run against as a new person,
(08:33):
someone that has already been introduced and won multiple races.
Sorry two of them. It was an open Senate seat
in Michigan, but you're having to introduce yourself in a
challenging environment with someone who already has the powers of incumbency.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
There.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We need to be honest about the differences here in
these contests, and this is the first day that the
that you've started to see Democrats saying, oh no, it's
not that bad for us, and they're really latching onto
these Senate wins. We lost Senate seats as Republicans in Georgia,
Georgia that we should have won. That was malpractice. That
was a combination of bad campaign, bad candidate. We lost
(09:09):
Senate seats in Georgia, three of them really, but certainly
one or two that we should have won. We just
lost a Senate seat in Arizona that absolutely should have
gone Republican, all right, absolutely should have been won, and
it did not. What happened there was a lot of
people said, I'm voting Donald Trump, I'm not voting for
Kerry Lake, and it's time to ask why that is.
(09:29):
That is the reality of the math and the numbers there.
It's not about election stealing or you know, the printer's
breaking or anything like that. People voted Trump, didn't vote
Kerry Lake. Now, now, now that's a loss. We should
have won that one. Hovedy's going up in a absolute
battleground state against an entrenched incumbent. You know, to me,
we put a best foot forward there, you know, close,
(09:52):
but no Cigar. I feel like Hovedy had a look
at the open three at the buzzer to win by
one point, and it just you know, just circled the
rim and came out. I mean, he was very close,
But Arizona is an airball. Arizona was not good. We
should have won that Senate seat. Nevada. I think, you know,
Sam Brown is new to this obviously a very impressive
(10:12):
guy and a guy that the country olways a tremendous
debt to. Didn't have the same name recognition, didn't have
what they had before in that or what rather others
would have from running before in that state. And he
made a good run of it. And I think there
may be a role for him in the Trump administration.
So I think he might be involved in something like that.
Dave McCormick Clay going to orientation. Chuck Schumer is now
(10:35):
admitting that Dave McCormick won. That was a tough one.
That was an uphill battle that a strong candidate was
able to pull out in Pennsylvania. So it's a little
bit of a mixed picture in those Senate battleground states.
But Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, that is what Democrats are
hanging their hats on right now, saying, see, we can
still compete in battlegrounds, we just can't beat Trump with Kamala.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, listen to some of these numbers, Buck, because I'm
glad you brought up the Senate. Mike Rogers lost by
twenty thousand votes forty eight point six to forty eight
point three. You've got in in Wisconsin, Eric Hovd losing
by thirty thousand votes forty nine point seven to forty
(11:17):
eight point eight. Arizona, you've got Carrie Lake. Let's see. Sorry,
make sure that I get that right. Looking at these
Looking at these numbers, I mean, it's just crazy how
close they all ended up being. Carry Lake lost by
seventy thousand votes in Arizona. And to your point, Buck,
that's a state that Trump won by two hundred thousand votes.
(11:40):
And in Nevada, Jackie Rose and the incumbent won by
right at twenty thousand votes. So we're talking about tiny,
tiny margins. And it's also worth noting the Democrats wildly
outspent by and large, all of the Republican Senate candidates
in those states, so we were so to truly transforming
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the United States Senate one hundred thousand total votes nationwide,
and Republicans would be at fifty seven basically instead of
at fifty three. Fifty three is still a good margin
three and a half with the tie, but as you
look towards twenty six, Democrats are going to think we
can ncap President Trump by taking back the Senate. And
(12:22):
to me, Buck, what it also hammers home is you've
got to be incredibly productive in the first eighteen months
because you don't have a guarantee of having the majority
in the second half of your term. You'll be a
lame duck. Trump will once we get to the midterms.
Whatever huge success he's going to have has to be
(12:43):
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Speaker 2 (13:47):
Welcome in second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now
we've got a lot of aftermath and after action reporting
still coming in. Last week was victory week. I hope
you enjoyed, you know, eating wings with blue cheese, laid
into the night watching a great movie, or out there
(14:07):
playing a sport with your family, doing something fun. Because
now the fight is back in action here and we're
trying to figure out how the Trump team is shaping
up as they get going with the beginning of term two.
Trump two point zero going to become a reality in January.
And we also have the Democrats trying to regroup and
(14:29):
they will. To be clear, you know, it's easy to
get all wrapped up in the Wow, what a sweeping
victory for Trump. Trump can't run again. Trump now has
to do great things in this next term. I think
he will. I'm excited for the possibilities here, But the
Republican Party is going to have to deal with a
Democrat party without Donald Trump at the head of it.
(14:50):
No one, I think has to be reminded.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I have very.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
High hopes for Jade Vance and as well as others.
I think the next gen of Republican leadership is in
a very good place already, and we have a deep bench.
I see Democrats say that on TV and then I'm like,
who's on this bench exactly? It's like, what even for
their purposes? Forget about whether I agree with him, I'm
just like that person can't win. Kamala Harris, though as
(15:18):
we know, did not win, This was an interesting moment
on the TV over the weekend. Kamala Harris's former communications director,
a guy that I worked with briefly at The Hillclay
the Hill dot Com. Not like on Capitol Hill, Jamal Simmons.
Very nice guy and very plugged in guy. I will
tell you knows you know. He's got a Democrat rollerdecks.
(15:40):
He can get anybody wants on the phone. He could
then he certainly can now after being Kamala's Comm's director,
and this is what he put out there for everybody.
I just wanted to dive into this with all of you.
This cut four.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Joe Biden's been a phenomenal president. He's lived up to
so many of the promise that he's made. Is one
promise left that he could fulfill being a transitional figure.
He could resign the presidency in the next thirty days,
make Kamala Harris the president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Give it absolved.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I'm being able to from having to oversee the January
sixth transition right of her of her own defeat, and
it would make sure that it would dominate the news
at a point where Democrats have to learn drama and
transparency and doing things that the public we want to see.
Is the time, This is the moment for us to
change the entire perspective of how democrats.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Heay, this is now jumped from an internet name to
a Sunday morning show. I thought you were going to say,
what about the Supreme Court that's also out there.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, the Supreme Court might happen. I don't know if
it will.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's not going to happen. And by the way, this
is not going to happen either. She's not going to
be in the Supreme Court and Biden is not going
to step down. But here's what I see, Clay. I
think this is interesting because why this is out there
and he's bringing up I'm telling you, I know Jabal.
I haven't spoken a little while, but I know Jabal.
He knows what everyone's talking about behind closed doors, and
he knows what the Kamala team had. He was a
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part of it, right, I mean, he knows what has
been discussed. My assumption was always that Joe Biden was
running for term one with the idea that he would
step down and let her assume the role of incumbent
effectively by being a VP running in or not necessarily
even running in a primary, but a VP elevated. And
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that was always the plan, right, The plan got messed
up here because they waited too long for it, because
I think they recognized that Kamala was such a weak
candidate for this, which he couldn't do it, which we've
now seen. But now do we get to the why this?
So again, I think this is an interesting idea. It
will absolutely not happen. In my mind, I give it
(17:42):
less than a one percent shot. I think it's almost,
you know, zero. But here's what I see, Clay One.
It won't happen because it would be in essence for
a lot of people admitting that the Dei world, there's
a lot of certain people get a trophy that they
didn't actually get, you know what I mean, It would
really undermine I think in the public's eye. Yeah, there'd
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be Democrats to say, yeah, the first black female president,
but it would be for thirty days. She wouldn't have
earned it, and she would have just lost an election
very badly. In a sense, that's kind of an encapsulation
of what a lot of people view Dei as. Right,
you make these superficial characteristics of people the means for
advancing them. But I think you and I know the
bigger thing. Biden's just don't like her Biden's just aren't
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going to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's embarrassing. First of all, I don't know that anybody's
actually ever thought through it. It would require Joe Biden
to move out of the White House and Kamala Harris
to move into the White House for one month, and
then Joe Biden what gets on a helicopter and flies
to his beach home and he isn't there anymore. It's
an embarrassing way for Biden's era to end to the
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extent that he had in era at all. What I
do think the discussion is acknowledging on some level buck though,
is that Kamala Harris is done in politics. We talked
about this as the stakes of these elections. I do
think it's worth going back to if Trump had lost,
Democrats in theory were going to try to put him
in prison for the rest of his life. If Kamala
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had won, she was going to be the first woman president.
People would talk about her for hundreds of years, even
if most of us know that she is an empty suit.
Her name would have echoed throughout history. Instead, they're gonna
Michael Ducacas her like she's just gonna kind of vanish.
I know, there's talk, Oh, she's gonna run for governor
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in California. I don't think there's any ambition for that buck.
When Hillary lost, there were at least some people out
there who said, well, she should run against him again
in twenty twenty four. In the immediate aftermath, oh she's
been wronged. Have you heard anybody say, Oh, Kamala Harris
has been wronged. Her career is over. And I think
in some ways this is actually why I said, Josh Shapiro,
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Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Knew, some Pritzker, all of that crew,
maybe AOC, all of them that have larger national ambitions,
they all wanted Kamala to lose because if she had won,
she's the nominee in twenty eight. They can't get past her.
It's twenty thirty two until you can run for president. Now,
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now you look at it and you say she's swept out.
They went ahead and got rid of the DEI vice president.
There's no argument that she has to be the nominee
because she's the first black woman Asian woman to be
to be vice president. She's done, she's out the window.
I don't even think she could run. I think it
would embarrass her how badly she would get beaten in
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the primaries, because I think the real story here, as
you just mentioned it, is if they had had a
legitimate primary, if Joe Biden had stepped down like he
should have some time in or announced that he wasn't
going to run like he should have and like I
don't know June of twenty twenty three, Yeah, then she
would have never been nominee. And Buck the one thing
I will say, we didn't get the red wave in
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twenty twenty two, we got it in twenty twenty four.
I would submit that the reason we got the red
wave is because Biden took the wrong lesson from the midterms.
When they didn't get absolutely eviscerated, he and his team
took it as an indication that what he was doing
was popular and that there was still a demand for
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him to be re elected.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
They it's a classic thing Biden. After the midterms, the
team around him that was actually running the White House,
they decided that they weren't lucky, they were good, and
actually they were just lucky. They were very lucky in
those midterms.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We've just that Roe v. Wade frankly got overturned because
I think you can look back at it now and
say he would have gotten absolutely destroyed. But for Roe v.
Wade getting overturned, that also diluted the impact of Roe
v Wade getting overturned Buck, I think in twenty four.
But yes, they took the lesson of this is an
endorsement of what we're doing. The American public actually supports us.
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You've got to stay in and run.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And we've discussed this, and this is not just us
justifying that we were a little excited about twenty twenty.
I didn't want to talk about twenty twenty twenty more.
Let's talk about twenty twenty four because we nailed it.
But in twenty two there was a surge of red voting.
Republican voters did turn out in great numbers for a midterm.
They just didn't turn out where we needed them to
to win. The key race is to make it a
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successful midterm for us. That is what ended up happening
this time. We got both. We got the numbers and
the placement of those numbers to make it matter. You know.
So Kamala, I think there's a recognition Clay that there
would even be discussion of her as really a figurehead
president for a month or two as part of this transition.
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It's the idea is absurd, But I'm telling you people
have talked about it who are at the high levels here,
and then.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You look at who No. I was just gonna ask
you like associated with this? To me, this ties in
what one question would you love to know the true
answer to associated with the behind the scenes Biden Kamala drama,
like if you could just like get true honesty, because
I think this ties in with the idea of elevating her.
(23:16):
It's crazy because they hate each other. I think I
think somebody I don't know who did it. If you're
asking me my vision of this, I think eventually because
Biden was not not just because of the stake bet
Biden was not planning on dropping even after the debate.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
He did not want to. It was a kicking and
screaming situation. I want to know who really came to
him and said, the Democrat Party is going to ostracize
your family and your legacy unless you step down, basically
made him an offer he can't refuse. I don't know
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if it was Pelosi, I don't know if it was
Barack himself. I don't know. I think somebody sat him
down and said, this isn't just about you. This is
about Jill and Hunter, and your brother whatever his name is,
and your grandkids. Do you want your grandkids and your
great grandkids to get into Yale and Harvard even though
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they're going to be morons? Then do what we say,
because they will get into Yale and Harvard and Princeton
even though they're probably going to be, like, you know,
a bunch of clowns. The point is, I think somebody
got to him with that, you know what I mean?
And I want to know what it was and who
was it?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Who ordered the code red is one way of putting that.
I would love to know that. I would love to
know Buck, how did the June twenty seventh debate actually happen?
Because you would have won your stake bet if they
had just not debated until September or October, as almost
always happens. So how did that come to reality June
(24:52):
twenty seventh? I want to know every minute detail associated
with that process.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, the two possibilities there are the and one of
the reasons we're talking about this is because I think
the Kamala Biden infighting means that we might get answers
to this, right, there are some things, like, you know,
there are things that were going on in the Obama
administration you will never find You won't find out for
thirty years because they are Democrat Royalty and nobody's Gonnam.
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There's a lot of things we talk about here, but
no one's going to talk about it. They're going to
talk out of school on this because there's a fight
going on now for power within the party and they're not.
You know, Biden and Kamala are no longer the anointed,
and the people who have worked for them are jockeying
for power in the future. So yes, the only two
possibilities are. Somebody thought that if they got Biden to debate,
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it would finally be the nail and the coffin of
his candidacy. I don't buy that as much. I actually
think they were so delusional, or maybe not delusional to
the right word. I think that they were just willing
to roll the dice with we'll get out ahead of
this and then we'll put them all, We'll put all
the haters to sleep with this idea of Biden being
just fine. Can I just play real quick. I look
this up. The New York Times just wrote a piece.
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Is what I was thinking about on the next generation.
You know, the deep bench that Democrats have. You know
who the top names are. I mean, we know some
of them, but yeah, Gavin Newsom, JB. Prisker of Illinois.
I'm not trying to be mean, and I cast no
ast persons on anyone's wait or whatever, but I think
would be very tough for a guy. You know, we
are still kind of a superficial society. I don't see JB.
(26:24):
Pritzker being the President of the United States just saying,
you know, maybe he's gonna lose one hundred and fifty
pounds or so, but that.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Would be very in the same way we didn't see
Chris Christie, because there is a cosmetic aspect to be
And again, I don't criticize.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't make fat jokes here, don't criticize people's weight.
I'm just saying I think that he you know, I
think that's an issue for him legitimately at the national level.
Jos Shapiro of Pennsylvania, Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, Wes Moore
of Maryland, Phil Murphy of New Jersey, Roy Cooper of
North Carolina, Andy Basher of Kentucky. That is the New
York Times list, and Clay let me just say none
(26:59):
of them, none of them have the kind of brand
power and national recognition that they need to even be
seriously considered right now for anything in the presidential realm.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Let me just say, Andy Basher and Roy Cooper are
Tim Walls like in that every man who sees them
will be like, I'm not voting for that guy to
have control of nuclear power like Democrat. This is what
I think is the lasting legacy. Two things as we
go to break here. One buck, I think one reason
this Biden Kamala fight is going to be so nasty
is everybody recognizes neither of the one of them has
(27:31):
a political future now, so they're not fighting for the
future of their careers, they're fighting for their legacy. Now.
I think that's going to be particularly nasty. Two. To me,
the biggest story of the twenty twenty four election. Trump
won all those things, but in terms of the data,
Democrats have a monstrously huge issue with young men and
(27:54):
it's only going to continue to get worse. So the
reason when you read me all that list book. They
got to find dude. I'm sorry, Democrats got to find
a guy that normal guys would like to have a
beer with. None of those guys you just ran through
on that list are dudes. They tried to argue, Oh,
Tip wall is going to be a football guy. I'm
telling you maybe Gavin Newsom honestly is the most dudliest
(28:17):
of that group. And that's being very kind, right, Who
would you want to have a beer with in that group?
Gavin Newsom might be top of the list. And that's
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Sexton Show, Alex Berenson gonna join us momentarily. Let me
hit you with a bunch of different stories that have
broken in the last forty five minutes or so. Former
Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee nominated by Donald Trump to be
the next US Ambassador to Israel. Very good choice there.
I believe the Attorney General of Florida, Ashley Moody, has
(29:48):
opened an investigation into FEMA employees potentially bypassing people with
Trump signs or Trump flags in the wake of Hurricane Helene.
That is obviously an awful story that at least one
individual in a supervisory role put in writing that is
ignore homes with Trump paraphernalia pretty unbelievable. There is also
(30:14):
a story out there. That is significant that let's see,
hundreds of CNN layoffs are potentially coming that according to
the Daily Mail, citing a Puck story. All of that
and more, we bring in now Alex Berenson. Alex, you're
(30:34):
a media guy. You've been in media for a long time.
You used to be at the New York Times. Now
you have a sub stack. You've been on with us
now for years, been doing a great job. You, like me,
have kind of traversed a unique path. You voted for Trump.
We'll get to that in a moment. But what lesson
do you think on a larger scale is out there
for media in the wake of Trump's triumph, his popular vote,
(30:58):
when even to Spike, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, Washington Post
focked the New York Times largely being propaganda for the
Kamala campaign. Where do we go from here? Again? That
CNN story, hundreds of layoffs coming as their audience is tanking.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean I just saw that, and I as
you were reading the intro, and I have to admit
I am smiling. You know, Brian Stelter and Oliver Darcy,
who are you know? Oliver left CNN, Brian got fired
from CNN and rehired. They both tried to have me
centered three years ago. Because that's what legacy media does
to reporters. It doesn't like it just tosses out, you know,
(31:39):
any effort.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Can I tell you, Alex he started his career with
me at the Blaze.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, that's fascinating. Well, maybe seeing you know, maybe he'll
wind up back there, maybe, Yeah, but you know that
they can't compete. And you know, there was a story
just before the election where somebody said, well, you know,
just the fact that you're fifty percent of the country
at a minimum have absolutely tuned out the you know,
(32:08):
the mainstream media and that and that Joe Rogan by
himself is probably more powerful than the entire mainstream media.
That you guys are probably more powerful than the Washington Post.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
That just tells you how much trust these peopbugg burned
in the last you know, ten years, And honestly, this
year's been the worst year yet, right because because look
what happened with Joe Biden. Okay, look what happened in
the spring with Joe Biden. It was entirely clear he
couldn't function and there was a US attorney, one of
(32:39):
the few people outside, you know, sort of the Biden
administration outside, the cloister who got inside just to talk
to him for a couple hours, right to interview him,
you know, in the document's case, and that US attorney
in February put out a report saying this guy can't
really function, right. I mean, that wasn't the point of
(32:59):
the report, but there was a line in it a
well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. And the
media went crazy trying to discredit Robert Hurr, that US attorney,
and arguing with anybody who pointed out the videos showing
just how clearly senile and adele Joe Biden was and
saying they were cheat up. So they made up this
(33:22):
word cheap fake, and people saw for once, they got
to see Joe Biden on June twenty seventh on his own,
not having a teleprompter to help him, and they saw
how messed up he really was. And I think that
was the end. Okay, it started years and years ago,
It got worse with COVID, it got worse with the
(33:43):
failure of the mRNA vaccines, which they still haven't admitted,
but in June it was over. And listen, obviously, I'm
you know, I have self interested But if I ran
the New York Times, I'd be calling me okay or
Matt Tayibe or Barry wife and saying what you know, like,
I'm not asking you to run my newspaper. I'm not
asking you for even for necessarily for story ideas. But
(34:04):
you got to tell me, like, how did we get
so messed up that we can't even tell the truth
about something as basic as the sinility of the president.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Speaking of telling the truth, Alex, I saw your tweet
and I'm sure a lot of or I guess we
call them posts now, but I still like tweet. I
saw I saw your post on x where you said
and I'm going to paraphrase here, you also included some
information from the autopsy report. Now that we're allowed to
tell the truth again in the media, when do we
(34:34):
get to talk about the fact that George Floyd died
of an overdose?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
How did that go for you? I'm just wondering, like,
what go ahead?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know? So so you know four years ago, I
would have been you know, put on my head, would
have been put on stick, like maybe quite literally. Okay,
Now that got sixty thousand likes. It got three point
six million views. It's sort of back to the COVID
days for me, where I could, you know, like where
I really could feel like, wow, a lot of people
(35:03):
are seeing this, and and you know, if there look,
there are a few people who disagreed, and and and
you know, you're entitled to disagree. But but like the
fact that I was able to sort of put that
out and get it seen and all it, frankly is,
is the autopsy report itself. It was striking to me.
And the other thing that was striking to me about
putting that out is you guys probably had seen that
(35:25):
and knew that and knew that you know, he had
such toxic levels yes, no, and that amphetamine in his blood.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
We talked about it on the show quite a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But so the mainstream media and the elite media did
such a good job hiding this fact that people I
know who are on the right, okay, smart conservatives, said
to me, are you sure this is real? Are you
sure you didn't get you know, faked out into putting
up something that's not true. And I said, here's the
link to the you know, the medical Examiner's office. Here's
the link that will show you that this is real.
(35:56):
But people, you know, that's the one thing the media
has left. They can't really they can't really drive news,
but they can hide news. So they've refused to report on,
you know, on my lossuit against the Biden administration, and
people don't know how bad.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, if you remember, there was also in the Trayvon
Martin casey, the photo that everybody thought of when they
thought of Trayvon Martin tended to be him. I believe
where he was twelve years old and so and to
this day, I still have people that say, oh, well,
George Zimmerman, he was that guy was just a kid.
I mean, Trayvon was I think he was eighteen, and
he was six feet tall, one hundred and eighty five pounds.
(36:33):
I mean he was a full grown man bashing this
guy in the face. Now I'm not, you know, some
big fan of George Zimmerman or anything. I mean, he's
had a bad stuff has happened with that guy. But
they also changed the audio you remember of Zimmerman calling
into the police. Someone actually got fired for that. But
the media constructed this entire narrative around Trayvon Martin that
was able to endure despite the fact that no, he
(36:55):
was not twelve when he jumped on George Zimmerman. The
other one is the photo that people people think of
with Mike Brown is his graduation photo. Right. And this
is another thing where you say, okay.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Well, pounds, right, Mike Brown was three hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yes, he was a three hundred pounds man when he
was charging the police officer. But I'm just bringing up
incidents where the media has effectively rewritten the history. And
it's a lot of the time it's on these issues
of BLM or police violence, and your willingness to talk
about this issue again, when do we get to discuss
did Derek Chauvin get a fair trial?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Why? Why?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
That's a great question.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
You can make it.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
You can make the case that, you know, maybe he's
guilty of manslaughter, maybe he you know, maybe you know,
maybe he committed assault. Right, But that man's in jail
essentially for the rest of his life, twenty two and
a half to life, and you know he's already faced
one assault in prison. I mean, I did you know
the second post that I put up after the first
one was I thought we outlawed human sacrifice, right, like
(37:54):
like Derek Chauvin definitely didn't get which would you know,
the trial we would all hope to get, and and
and and you know that was in large part because people,
I think pretty much knew that if he were acquitted,
there were gonna be will riots. And that's okay.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He was He was effectively handed over to the mob.
It was mob justice, even though the state did it.
And this is why I want to ask you about
Daniel Penny. I can tell you know, there's been some
New York Post reporters who have been in that courtroom,
you know, sharing what they're seeing and observing. There are
you know, activists in that courtroom, shouting and screaming and calling.
You know, they're there. They've made this a cause for
(38:32):
the anti police sort of NNGO apparatus. And I'm sitting here,
I'm going and there's a lot of references in the
transcript to Daniel Penny that seemed to me to be
intentionally inflammatory. Is he getting a fair trial?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Is anyone going to talk about this?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean, I've only seen what you've seen. It's funny.
You're making me wish that I'd gone down there and
sat in myself. I mean I've seen the references the
white guy, the white man without without you know, actually
reading the transcript like you know, I will withhold judgment.
But I think you're raising a good question.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh, Alex, you voted for Trump. I don't think you
voted for Trump in twenty or at least publicly didn't
say it.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I know you didn't vote for him in twenty or sixteen.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I did not twenty or sixteen. What has the reaction
been for you for voting for Trump for the first
time in twenty four? First part, Second part. I've met
a lot of people who have come up to me
and said, what you have met you're a political path.
Didn't vote Trump sixteen, didn't vote twenty The math seems
to suggest that there are millions of those people nationwide
(39:38):
based on the popular vote. What has the reaction been
to you since you announced you were voting Trump in
twenty four and what finally put you over to make
that choice different than you did in sixteen and twenty.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
You know, some of my mother, who is the big
MSNPC viewer, is very mad at me, you know. From that,
I mean, you know, and I've gotten you know a
few ataboys from people who are readers of my substack.
Obviously my substack runs conservative, you know. And some of
those people said, well, why didn't you do it in
twenty twenty or twenty sixteen, you know you're too late. Well,
(40:16):
you know, I made my own decision, and I got
there my own way. You know, I would say, what
what got me over the edge? Believe it or not?
And I've been very close, but you know, I did
have I did have concerns about especially about his his
(40:37):
sort of unwillingness to say, look, if I lose, I'm
going to acknowledge that I lost. I didn't like that, okay,
but I'd say two things. When I actually thought about
the Biden administration and what they did to me, right
that they censored me. How could how could I not
you know, vote for the other side under those circumstances.
(40:57):
And you know, and people well had on the left
had been hysterical all about Donald Trump now for almost
ten years, and you know, saying he's going to be
a fascist, He's going to be a fascist. And his
first term he was not a fascist. Okay, you can
say a lot of things about him, but he wasn't
enough lateritarian, and he wasn't a fascist. So I finally
(41:18):
just sort of got tired of being lectured to by
all those folks. And I'll say one more thing. I
was in Iraq in two thousand and three and two
thousand and four for the New York Times. I saw
Leust prosecute that war. I saw it go badly. Okay,
I don't like Dick Chene. I don't like the Chenies.
The idea that Kamala Harris thought it was a good idea,
(41:43):
thought that people like me in the middle, really in
the middle, were going to be convinced by by Liz
Cheney is insane. It's such bad judgment that it almost
sort of is disqualifying.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, the fact that they wrapped there are was in
a big hug around Liz Cheney at the very end
was pretty amazing. I think a defining moment for the campaign.
Well thing, I want to ask you, Alex, we only
got about a minute and a half left, but just
wean't put this out there. Trump new administration, big Win mandate,
perhaps all these things going on. I'm not done with
the COVID maniacs. I mean, we're gonna have somebody here
(42:19):
in charge of you know, nih we're gonna have somebody
new in charge of CDC. How could we I'm not
saying like like public guitar and feather, like that's a
medieval thing. We don't do that anymore, but like, how
could we get some accountability for this?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Well, great question, So and I know it on much
Sam too. I'll say two things. Hopefully they opened the
books and and sort of reveal Partly, you know, I'd
like that for myself in my lawsuit, right, but but
I think it'd be really good to open the books
and see what CDC knew, what they were in the FDA,
what they were talking to the companies about in twenty
twenty one in the summer, as the vaccines were failing,
(42:57):
really failing for the first time, because there's information that
hasn't come out. The second thing, and this is this
is both about the COVID vaccines but all vaccines. I'm
a very big fan of this. I'm going to keep
writing about it. So there are two products you can't
sue over in the United States. One is social media.
You basically can't sue them for any reason, and the
other are vaccines, not other drugs. If something goes wrong
(43:20):
and you take a drugs you can sue the company.
But if it's a vaccine, if it's called a vaccine,
if it's an mRNA vaccine, you basically can't sue. And
you know, it's funny, like I'm such a Republican, I'm joking.
I really believe like in our tort system, right, Like
it's really important. And the fact that the Democrats want
(43:43):
and have given vaccine companies immunity is crazy and that
needs to go away.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I agree, totally agree. All right, Well, can you keep
coming on here. We're going to keep banging this drum
on all these issues and just drop like massive truth
bonds from thirty thousand feet because as you see that,
people respond. People like the truth. And now because of
Elon at least on X and on your substack, which
people should go subscribe to unreported truths, you can get
it out there. So Alex, it's been quite a journey.
(44:10):
Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I will come on.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Thanks guys, fantastic, thank you. All right, you know what
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Speaker 3 (44:25):
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buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
I wanted to play a couple of cuts for you.
First of all, reports out there that Marco Rubio is
going to be Secretary of State. This guy would be
an absolute hawk on a ran, on China, on Cuba,
(45:55):
but also on Israel's right to defend itself. Center Marco
was confronted in the halls of Congress and asked about
whether he was concerned about too many casualties for Hamas.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
This is what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I want you to get this.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I want them to destroy every element of Hamas they
can get their hands on, because people are viscious.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Animals who did horrifying crimes.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
And I hope you guys post that.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
What about the civilians?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Every day, Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, putting civilians in
the way. Hamas knew that this was going to lead
to this.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Hamas has stopped building their military installations underneath hospital.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
So you don't the fifteen thousand, you don't care about
the babies that are every day.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I think it's terms is one hundred percent to blame.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
So that is Rubio steadfast. That was from December of
twenty three, again not official, but reports that Rubio is
going to be the choice for Secretary of State Florida senator.
That would give Ron DeSantis, for those of you who
are big to same fans, an opportunity to appoint someone
to serve out the rest of or the next couple
(47:06):
of years of Marco Rubio's term. We'll see what ends
up happening there. I also buck one of the big
questions to me as we await the final tally, but
know that Donald Trump has won the electoral College with
three hundred and twelve votes, is now comfortably going to
win the popular vote as well, is would there be
rational Democrats who stand up and say, hey, maybe we
(47:29):
need to look in the mirror. Some of the things
that we argued for are absurd. One of them, I'll
give him credit. Democrat Congressman Seth Moulton said, hey, we've
got to stop with trying to argue that men pretending
to be women should be able to compete in women's championships.
He's being lacerated by the left. He went on MSNBC,
(47:53):
and this is what he had to say about that.
Speaker 6 (47:58):
I heard a number of people within the Biden administration,
other foreign policy leaders, who also all sort of said
with almost in one voice quote it could.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Have been worse.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
In terms of the Rubio pick, that he is a senator,
he does have some national security credentials, he has been
a believer in NATO. Now, of course he's going to
serve with the pleasure as a president. He's going to
carry out Trump's agenda, but he's at least something of
a reassuring figure. Also, it's just who doesn't get that job,
the Rick Grenell's, the cash hotels of the world, who,
(48:29):
you know, the real firebrands of the right of mago world,
who there was real concern might be put in the
foggy bottom post. At least for this, there's a sense
that this the Rubio pick, is a signal that there
might be at least some grown ups in the room.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
All right, that is not what I called for, But
that is more of the analysis of the Rubio decision.
In the event that that becomes the finality. I was
talking about cut fifteen here and cut sixteen Seth Molten
being ripped to shreds for saying something really quite uh
clear that is not controversial for eighty or ninety percent
(49:04):
of Americans. Let's start with cut fifteen.
Speaker 7 (49:06):
When people like this and our party try to cancel
me or whoever else, they're also talking down, they're canceling
the views of a vast majority of Americans. And so
how on earth are we going to win elections if
that's our approach, that we just want to preach down
to people and tell them that they're morally wrong if
they don't meet.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Some strict ideological purity tests.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
He continued with more cut sixteen.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
The founders of this crazy concept called freedom of speech,
and we Democrats would do well to remember that foundational
American value. Because we can't talk about these tough issues,
we're never going to win on them. And guess what,
you know who's going to get hurt the most. It's
trans kids, it's minorities across America. We're going to be
attacked by this eightful Trump agenda. And if we don't
(49:53):
have a rational response, then rope Republicans are just going
to carry the day.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
That's what Harris's problem was.
Speaker 7 (49:59):
She didn't have a risk sponse to this issue because
she was so afraid to even raise it, and as
a result, Trump frusture on it.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Because Trump's right sometimes bucked. There are right and wrong issues.
The fact that seth Moulton tiptoeing up to, hey, maybe
dudes shouldn't be able to win women's championships is causing
explosive criticism for him from the left in this country.
It ties in. I think I was telling you off air.
(50:27):
Nate Silver, who we had on earlier, is a data
stattician guy from the left. But he said when he
would share his forecast, Republicans would say, Okay, it's a
fifty to fifty election. I like this data element, I
agree with this, disagree with that. They would have a conversation.
He said, anytime he said something other than Kamala Harris
(50:48):
is going to win comfortably, Democrats would lose their mind.
They're a cult and the woke mind virus, as Elon
has called it, has deeply infected huge person of their
cult fan base and their cult voting block to an
extent that even a Democrat congressman just trying a bare
(51:09):
semblance of common sense is being universally attacked on the
left for not bowing down to the cult's belief that
men can become women.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
This is going to continue to be a huge problem
for them. I think at the national level, they they
cannot win on this issue with the country as it
is now. They may think that they are able to
change the country, and I think that's certainly what the
extreme Democrats believe on this issue, or the extreme left
(51:44):
believes on this issue, but they simply cannot win right
now with the country as it is. And the fact
that after this kind of an election, they would all,
you know, it's interesting me people say this, and they'll
attack you online and you'll hear from but nobody will
go on TV to defend this position against somebody of
(52:06):
you know, relatively equal standing on whether it's media or
in politics, right, you won't have There is not a
single Democrat who will go on TV and debate the issue.
They'll talk to people about it, they'll talk to like
a CNN propagandist about it, but they will not openly
debate the issue of whether or not boys have an
(52:27):
advantage over girl.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Tink about how crazy that is. They won't even allow
the conversation to occur, and we played that audio even
on CNN. When the conversation happened, it was immediately derided
as hate language, and they tried to shout down the
very argument that this is absurd and buck this is
(52:48):
an eighty twenty issue. The fact that Kamala has never
been asked that question, the fact that Biden has never
been asked that question, is proof that we live in
a fundamental artificial media age. Because if the media's job
is to ask questions that people care about, how in
the world has that question never been asked. I mean,
OutKick asked that question of Don Staley, the University of
(53:13):
South Carolina women's basketball coach. She said men should be
able to play on women's teams, which I think is crazy,
but at least she answered it. The other fifteen Sweet
sixteen coaches wouldn't even respond to our question. I mean,
this is not a healthy democracy when that many people
are terrified to tell you something that they all know
(53:35):
is wrong. Right, anybody who's ever played sports knows that
the idea of men being able to play women's sports
is fundamentally wrong, just like me playing Little League would
be wrong, like it violates the very essence of competition.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It's insane. This is not I don't disagree with them.
I think people that think otherwise are living in a delusion.
They're disconnected from reality that what they're saying is absurd.
It is up and down. They just demand that you
celebrate falsehood with this, and I think that everybody should
(54:09):
see this for what it is.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
It is.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Unfortunately, there's some deep ideological reasons why this is so
important to the left, but it is unfortunately the case
that they're going to continue on with this because there's
a whole there is a whole apparatus of pushing this
of NGOs. You know, imagine also Clay, all of the
(54:31):
people who have been convinced, whether they're medical personnel or parents,
convinced bimedical personnel to let's say, trans their children through sterilization,
drugs and even possibly surgery top surgery, things like that.
And this is why Elon Musk became so red pilled.
So many people aren't going to ever want to accept
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have with this is that you have a sort of
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Speaker 1 (55:21):
All of that. I tweeted this earlier Buck because the
story came out. At least fourteen thousand children have had
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or been surgically or chemically castrated in America in the
past five years. Fourteen thousand kids. These are miners. All
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Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I
hope all of you are having a fantastic start to
your day. We're ready to make that a little bit better.
Our buddy Alex Berenson is going to swing by and
hang out with us in the two PM. Our only
guests that we have scheduled right now. Just FYI, but
we do have some good news that broke yesterday afternoon evening.
(00:24):
We've been telling you that it was going to happen
for some time. The House is in Republican hands, which means, Buck,
we have got a clean sweep on the twenty twenty
four election. We were hoping for a red wave or
red tsunami in twenty twenty two. Instead, we had to
wait a couple of years more for it to arrive.
(00:46):
But it has arrived. Republicans will control the Senate, the House,
and the White House, and tomorrow, I would say big
news will be who the Senate majority leader is. But
Trump can continues to fill out his cabinet. Reports that
Marco Rubio, who Buck was just in studio with a
couple of weeks ago. We've had him on the program
(01:08):
quite a lot. Senator from Florida is going to be
Secretary of State. The ongoing rollout of the Trump cabinet, Buck,
it feels kind of flawless to me so far in
terms of everybody that they are putting in positions of
prominence and power. And as a result, we've got some
(01:28):
things to be pretty excited about as the transition period
is fully underway. We got some drama, Buck. I don't
know if you've seen this video yet, but Jill Biden
gave an unbelievable cold shoulder to Kamala and Doug at
the Veterans Day ceremony, which I believe is the first
(01:48):
time they've been in the same place in some time.
I cannot wait for these books to come out, for
the true story to be told. But the fallout is
significant and massive on the left. MSNBC has just abandoned.
Everybody has left MSNBC, CNN. Buck. We talked about this,
and I do think it's consequential, and we got some
(02:08):
fun clips for you, But all the talk was how
will they respond to losing. It seems like so far
the response is not let's throw a fist up. We're
going to be the resistance, which is what we saw
in twenty sixteen, and we're going to flood CNN and MSNBC.
In the Washington Post of New York Times, it feels
like they are maybe angry at the media that told
(02:31):
them Kamala was going to win, and just almost a
form of resignation setting in. As Trump comes into near
total power in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They're waiting to see what they can coalesce around as
the new resistance, because they've got nothing right now. They
went all in on January sixth, fascism, the end of democracy,
and it didn't work, and it's not going to work
going forward. Right there that Trump isn't running again, so
they can just whine about how there won't be another
(03:03):
election or whatever it is they're going to say. No
one's paying attention, No one really cares. I do think
Clay that the likeliest place for the administration. Just to
be clear, We've got Mark or Rubio likely to be
Secretary of State, right We've got Tom Holman running Immigrations
and Customs Enforcement. We've got Susie Wiles as White House
(03:27):
Chief of Staff. It is believed that the and this
could have changed even while I was reading in in
the last hour, but it's believed Stephen Miller will be
deputy White House Chief of Staff. I don't know if
that's been a there what is. There's what is told
to the media by the Trump team, and then there's
what is or rather that the media tells us they
were told, and what the Trump campaign has confirmed not
(03:49):
necessarily the same a Trump transition, rather has confirmed not
necessarily the same thing. Christy Nome has been named as
the head of DHS. Look Trump on a huge victory.
He gets to pick his team. He learned a lot
over the first four years. I'm not going to sit
here as somebody who just comments on things and and
(04:09):
second guess him. I was a little surprised by that one.
All I can say is if she's part of the
Trump administration, I wish her all the success in the world,
and hope that this Trump team that he's assembling, whether
it's Gnome, Home and Miller, Wiles, Rubio, I just hope
that they kick ass. Honestly, I just want to I
just want our team to win. And Trump has earned
(04:30):
the right to pick the team that he wants to
have around him, not all of them, some of them.
Clay I think would would have been if he asked me,
if he asked me personally, I would have given him
some of these very same names. You know, Steven Miller
in a very senior White House roles, Susie Wiles obviously
after running a phenomenal campaign. You know, Marco Rubio at State.
You know Rick Renell, Marco Rubio. I mean, these are
(04:52):
I think you're gonna get pretty similar policies out of
either of them. We don't really know, but they're both
competent guys, they're both loyal guys. Christin again, I'm surprised,
but that's Trump's choice, and I hope she does a
phenomenal job. I hope she does all the deportations that
this administration has planned. And so anybody who's on the
Trump team has has my full support and best wishes
(05:13):
to get the mission accomplished. They were crowing a little
bit on morning Joe Clay, This was sad. This was sad,
not sad, but it was kind of it was a
little bit of a wamp wlump. They are now going
with the Trump is the phenomenon, not the Republican Party.
Look at the battleground Senate races. Carry Lake just lost.
(05:35):
Carry Lake just lost again. Okay, carry Lake lost in
a state where Donald Trump won by six points? Is
that right?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Basically six points?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Basically six we'll call it six points. She lost by
between two and three points. That's on the candidate. I
don't know what else to say. We supported Carrie, We
wish her all the best. She seems like a lovely person,
but she didn't get it done in that state. Very
sad about about Brown losing in Nevada. That's to uh
(06:06):
forgetting her name right now.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But to the Jackie Rosen, we had throws, super close
losses in Michigan, Mike Rodgers and and our friend Eric Hovedy,
who we had on this program. A lot those are
if everything had gone perfectly, Buck, we could have won
fifty seven Senate seats because all four of those were
very winnable.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I would say the new narrative, Clay, is that
it was that really the Trump Kamala thing. Kamala got smoked,
but obviously, but the Democrat Republican thing as in other races,
very close Democrats. I'm telling you, this is what they're
saying on Morning Joe. So this is what the talking
(06:45):
points are now. It's closer than people realize just need
to basically just need a better top of the ticket
candidate for the next election. And going into the midterms,
they feel like they're in a pretty good spot. I'm
just telling you they've they're already in the rebutd and
reforming the narrative zone here. And we took you know,
we took some tough losses. The Hubby thing was skin
(07:07):
of teeth, but that's that's a very tough state. We
you know, we had Eric on a lot here, A
lot of you went out and voted for him. Now
that was going to be tricky against an incumbent. Kerry
Lake should have won that Senate See, I don't know
what else to say. She should have won that Senate seat.
Now we're down a seat. Now we still have a majority,
but every seat matters, especially when you see that the
map gets a lot harder for Republicans in the next
election cycle. This is where we are.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I do think the challenge for them, and I
would love to have Joe Scarborough on is that requires
what they're now pivoting to requires them acknowledging that Trump
is a transcendently popular individual figure.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Which is what he's saying without saying it just to
they be that's saying it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That's the next step of that is this guy's an
incredibly talented politician. He has great appeal, which is the
exact opposite of what they've argued for nearly a decade
that he's an act dental president, that Russia put him
over to the edge. That is, I would say, if
you want to point to the most disappointing thing about
twenty twenty four is we were oh soo achingly close
(08:12):
to winning fifty seven Senate seats, and if you go
back and look at Sam Brown, Kerry Lake, Mike Rodgers,
and Eric Huvdy, I think they were all for the
better candidate. Now Buck, it's worth pointing out that they
probably didn't point that out. Three of those individuals are incumbents.
So you're having to run against as a new person,
(08:33):
someone that has already been introduced and won multiple races.
Sorry two of them. It was an open Senate seat
in Michigan, but you're having to introduce yourself in a
challenging environment with someone who already has the powers of incumbency.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
There.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We need to be honest about the differences here in
these contests, and this is the first day that the
that you've started to see Democrats saying, oh no, it's
not that bad for us, and they're really latching onto
these Senate wins. We lost Senate seats as Republicans in Georgia,
Georgia that we should have won. That was malpractice. That
was a combination of bad campaign, bad candidate. We lost
(09:09):
Senate seats in Georgia, three of them really, but certainly
one or two that we should have won. We just
lost a Senate seat in Arizona that absolutely should have
gone Republican, all right, absolutely should have been won, and
it did not. What happened there was a lot of
people said, I'm voting Donald Trump, I'm not voting for
Kerry Lake, and it's time to ask why that is.
(09:29):
That is the reality of the math and the numbers there.
It's not about election stealing or you know, the printer's
breaking or anything like that. People voted Trump, didn't vote
Kerry Lake. Now, now, now that's a loss. We should
have won that one. Hovedy's going up in a absolute
battleground state against an entrenched incumbent. You know, to me,
we put a best foot forward there, you know, close,
(09:52):
but no Cigar. I feel like Hovedy had a look
at the open three at the buzzer to win by
one point, and it just you know, just circled the
rim and came out. I mean, he was very close,
But Arizona is an airball. Arizona was not good. We
should have won that Senate seat. Nevada. I think, you know,
Sam Brown is new to this obviously a very impressive
(10:12):
guy and a guy that the country olways a tremendous
debt to. Didn't have the same name recognition, didn't have
what they had before in that or what rather others
would have from running before in that state. And he
made a good run of it. And I think there
may be a role for him in the Trump administration.
So I think he might be involved in something like that.
Dave McCormick Clay going to orientation. Chuck Schumer is now
(10:35):
admitting that Dave McCormick won. That was a tough one.
That was an uphill battle that a strong candidate was
able to pull out in Pennsylvania. So it's a little
bit of a mixed picture in those Senate battleground states.
But Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, that is what Democrats are
hanging their hats on right now, saying, see, we can
still compete in battlegrounds, we just can't beat Trump with Kamala.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, listen to some of these numbers, Buck, because I'm
glad you brought up the Senate. Mike Rogers lost by
twenty thousand votes forty eight point six to forty eight
point three. You've got in in Wisconsin, Eric Hovd losing
by thirty thousand votes forty nine point seven to forty
(11:17):
eight point eight. Arizona, you've got Carrie Lake. Let's see. Sorry,
make sure that I get that right. Looking at these
Looking at these numbers, I mean, it's just crazy how
close they all ended up being. Carry Lake lost by
seventy thousand votes in Arizona. And to your point, Buck,
that's a state that Trump won by two hundred thousand votes.
(11:40):
And in Nevada, Jackie Rose and the incumbent won by
right at twenty thousand votes. So we're talking about tiny,
tiny margins. And it's also worth noting the Democrats wildly
outspent by and large, all of the Republican Senate candidates
in those states, so we were so to truly transforming
(12:01):
the United States Senate one hundred thousand total votes nationwide,
and Republicans would be at fifty seven basically instead of
at fifty three. Fifty three is still a good margin
three and a half with the tie, but as you
look towards twenty six, Democrats are going to think we
can ncap President Trump by taking back the Senate. And
(12:22):
to me, Buck, what it also hammers home is you've
got to be incredibly productive in the first eighteen months
because you don't have a guarantee of having the majority
in the second half of your term. You'll be a
lame duck. Trump will once we get to the midterms.
Whatever huge success he's going to have has to be
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Speaker 2 (13:47):
Welcome in second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now
we've got a lot of aftermath and after action reporting
still coming in. Last week was victory week. I hope
you enjoyed, you know, eating wings with blue cheese, laid
into the night watching a great movie, or out there
(14:07):
playing a sport with your family, doing something fun. Because
now the fight is back in action here and we're
trying to figure out how the Trump team is shaping
up as they get going with the beginning of term two.
Trump two point zero going to become a reality in January.
And we also have the Democrats trying to regroup and
(14:29):
they will. To be clear, you know, it's easy to
get all wrapped up in the Wow, what a sweeping
victory for Trump. Trump can't run again. Trump now has
to do great things in this next term. I think
he will. I'm excited for the possibilities here, But the
Republican Party is going to have to deal with a
Democrat party without Donald Trump at the head of it.
(14:50):
No one, I think has to be reminded.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I have very.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
High hopes for Jade Vance and as well as others.
I think the next gen of Republican leadership is in
a very good place already, and we have a deep bench.
I see Democrats say that on TV and then I'm like,
who's on this bench exactly? It's like, what even for
their purposes? Forget about whether I agree with him, I'm
just like that person can't win. Kamala Harris, though as
(15:18):
we know, did not win, This was an interesting moment
on the TV over the weekend. Kamala Harris's former communications director,
a guy that I worked with briefly at The Hillclay
the Hill dot Com. Not like on Capitol Hill, Jamal Simmons.
Very nice guy and very plugged in guy. I will
tell you knows you know. He's got a Democrat rollerdecks.
(15:40):
He can get anybody wants on the phone. He could
then he certainly can now after being Kamala's Comm's director,
and this is what he put out there for everybody.
I just wanted to dive into this with all of you.
This cut four.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Joe Biden's been a phenomenal president. He's lived up to
so many of the promise that he's made. Is one
promise left that he could fulfill being a transitional figure.
He could resign the presidency in the next thirty days,
make Kamala Harris the president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Give it absolved.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I'm being able to from having to oversee the January
sixth transition right of her of her own defeat, and
it would make sure that it would dominate the news
at a point where Democrats have to learn drama and
transparency and doing things that the public we want to see.
Is the time, This is the moment for us to
change the entire perspective of how democrats.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Heay, this is now jumped from an internet name to
a Sunday morning show. I thought you were going to say,
what about the Supreme Court that's also out there.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, the Supreme Court might happen. I don't know if
it will.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's not going to happen. And by the way, this
is not going to happen either. She's not going to
be in the Supreme Court and Biden is not going
to step down. But here's what I see, Clay. I
think this is interesting because why this is out there
and he's bringing up I'm telling you, I know Jabal.
I haven't spoken a little while, but I know Jabal.
He knows what everyone's talking about behind closed doors, and
he knows what the Kamala team had. He was a
(17:00):
part of it, right, I mean, he knows what has
been discussed. My assumption was always that Joe Biden was
running for term one with the idea that he would
step down and let her assume the role of incumbent
effectively by being a VP running in or not necessarily
even running in a primary, but a VP elevated. And
(17:22):
that was always the plan, right, The plan got messed
up here because they waited too long for it, because
I think they recognized that Kamala was such a weak
candidate for this, which he couldn't do it, which we've
now seen. But now do we get to the why this?
So again, I think this is an interesting idea. It
will absolutely not happen. In my mind, I give it
(17:42):
less than a one percent shot. I think it's almost,
you know, zero. But here's what I see, Clay One.
It won't happen because it would be in essence for
a lot of people admitting that the Dei world, there's
a lot of certain people get a trophy that they
didn't actually get, you know what I mean, It would
really undermine I think in the public's eye. Yeah, there'd
(18:05):
be Democrats to say, yeah, the first black female president,
but it would be for thirty days. She wouldn't have
earned it, and she would have just lost an election
very badly. In a sense, that's kind of an encapsulation
of what a lot of people view Dei as. Right,
you make these superficial characteristics of people the means for
advancing them. But I think you and I know the
bigger thing. Biden's just don't like her Biden's just aren't
(18:26):
going to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's embarrassing. First of all, I don't know that anybody's
actually ever thought through it. It would require Joe Biden
to move out of the White House and Kamala Harris
to move into the White House for one month, and
then Joe Biden what gets on a helicopter and flies
to his beach home and he isn't there anymore. It's
an embarrassing way for Biden's era to end to the
(18:49):
extent that he had in era at all. What I
do think the discussion is acknowledging on some level buck though,
is that Kamala Harris is done in politics. We talked
about this as the stakes of these elections. I do
think it's worth going back to if Trump had lost,
Democrats in theory were going to try to put him
in prison for the rest of his life. If Kamala
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had won, she was going to be the first woman president.
People would talk about her for hundreds of years, even
if most of us know that she is an empty suit.
Her name would have echoed throughout history. Instead, they're gonna
Michael Ducacas her like she's just gonna kind of vanish.
I know, there's talk, Oh, she's gonna run for governor
(19:34):
in California. I don't think there's any ambition for that buck.
When Hillary lost, there were at least some people out
there who said, well, she should run against him again
in twenty twenty four. In the immediate aftermath, oh she's
been wronged. Have you heard anybody say, Oh, Kamala Harris
has been wronged. Her career is over. And I think
in some ways this is actually why I said, Josh Shapiro,
(19:58):
Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Knew, some Pritzker, all of that crew,
maybe AOC, all of them that have larger national ambitions,
they all wanted Kamala to lose because if she had won,
she's the nominee in twenty eight. They can't get past her.
It's twenty thirty two until you can run for president. Now,
(20:19):
now you look at it and you say she's swept out.
They went ahead and got rid of the DEI vice president.
There's no argument that she has to be the nominee
because she's the first black woman Asian woman to be
to be vice president. She's done, she's out the window.
I don't even think she could run. I think it
would embarrass her how badly she would get beaten in
(20:42):
the primaries, because I think the real story here, as
you just mentioned it, is if they had had a
legitimate primary, if Joe Biden had stepped down like he
should have some time in or announced that he wasn't
going to run like he should have and like I
don't know June of twenty twenty three, Yeah, then she
would have never been nominee. And Buck the one thing
I will say, we didn't get the red wave in
(21:04):
twenty twenty two, we got it in twenty twenty four.
I would submit that the reason we got the red
wave is because Biden took the wrong lesson from the midterms.
When they didn't get absolutely eviscerated, he and his team
took it as an indication that what he was doing
was popular and that there was still a demand for
(21:24):
him to be re elected.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
They it's a classic thing Biden. After the midterms, the
team around him that was actually running the White House,
they decided that they weren't lucky, they were good, and
actually they were just lucky. They were very lucky in
those midterms.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We've just that Roe v. Wade frankly got overturned because
I think you can look back at it now and
say he would have gotten absolutely destroyed. But for Roe v.
Wade getting overturned, that also diluted the impact of Roe
v Wade getting overturned Buck, I think in twenty four.
But yes, they took the lesson of this is an
endorsement of what we're doing. The American public actually supports us.
(22:03):
You've got to stay in and run.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And we've discussed this, and this is not just us
justifying that we were a little excited about twenty twenty.
I didn't want to talk about twenty twenty twenty more.
Let's talk about twenty twenty four because we nailed it.
But in twenty two there was a surge of red voting.
Republican voters did turn out in great numbers for a midterm.
They just didn't turn out where we needed them to
to win. The key race is to make it a
(22:26):
successful midterm for us. That is what ended up happening
this time. We got both. We got the numbers and
the placement of those numbers to make it matter. You know.
So Kamala, I think there's a recognition Clay that there
would even be discussion of her as really a figurehead
president for a month or two as part of this transition.
(22:49):
It's the idea is absurd, But I'm telling you people
have talked about it who are at the high levels here,
and then.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You look at who No. I was just gonna ask
you like associated with this? To me, this ties in
what one question would you love to know the true
answer to associated with the behind the scenes Biden Kamala drama,
like if you could just like get true honesty, because
I think this ties in with the idea of elevating her.
(23:16):
It's crazy because they hate each other. I think I
think somebody I don't know who did it. If you're
asking me my vision of this, I think eventually because
Biden was not not just because of the stake bet
Biden was not planning on dropping even after the debate.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
He did not want to. It was a kicking and
screaming situation. I want to know who really came to
him and said, the Democrat Party is going to ostracize
your family and your legacy unless you step down, basically
made him an offer he can't refuse. I don't know
(23:53):
if it was Pelosi, I don't know if it was
Barack himself. I don't know. I think somebody sat him
down and said, this isn't just about you. This is
about Jill and Hunter, and your brother whatever his name is,
and your grandkids. Do you want your grandkids and your
great grandkids to get into Yale and Harvard even though
(24:14):
they're going to be morons? Then do what we say,
because they will get into Yale and Harvard and Princeton
even though they're probably going to be, like, you know,
a bunch of clowns. The point is, I think somebody
got to him with that, you know what I mean?
And I want to know what it was and who
was it?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Who ordered the code red is one way of putting that.
I would love to know that. I would love to
know Buck, how did the June twenty seventh debate actually happen?
Because you would have won your stake bet if they
had just not debated until September or October, as almost
always happens. So how did that come to reality June
(24:52):
twenty seventh? I want to know every minute detail associated
with that process.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, the two possibilities there are the and one of
the reasons we're talking about this is because I think
the Kamala Biden infighting means that we might get answers
to this, right, there are some things, like, you know,
there are things that were going on in the Obama
administration you will never find You won't find out for
thirty years because they are Democrat Royalty and nobody's Gonnam.
(25:18):
There's a lot of things we talk about here, but
no one's going to talk about it. They're going to
talk out of school on this because there's a fight
going on now for power within the party and they're not.
You know, Biden and Kamala are no longer the anointed,
and the people who have worked for them are jockeying
for power in the future. So yes, the only two
possibilities are. Somebody thought that if they got Biden to debate,
(25:41):
it would finally be the nail and the coffin of
his candidacy. I don't buy that as much. I actually
think they were so delusional, or maybe not delusional to
the right word. I think that they were just willing
to roll the dice with we'll get out ahead of
this and then we'll put them all, We'll put all
the haters to sleep with this idea of Biden being
just fine. Can I just play real quick. I look
this up. The New York Times just wrote a piece.
(26:01):
Is what I was thinking about on the next generation.
You know, the deep bench that Democrats have. You know
who the top names are. I mean, we know some
of them, but yeah, Gavin Newsom, JB. Prisker of Illinois.
I'm not trying to be mean, and I cast no
ast persons on anyone's wait or whatever, but I think
would be very tough for a guy. You know, we
are still kind of a superficial society. I don't see JB.
(26:24):
Pritzker being the President of the United States just saying,
you know, maybe he's gonna lose one hundred and fifty
pounds or so, but that.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Would be very in the same way we didn't see
Chris Christie, because there is a cosmetic aspect to be
And again, I don't criticize.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't make fat jokes here, don't criticize people's weight.
I'm just saying I think that he you know, I
think that's an issue for him legitimately at the national level.
Jos Shapiro of Pennsylvania, Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, Wes Moore
of Maryland, Phil Murphy of New Jersey, Roy Cooper of
North Carolina, Andy Basher of Kentucky. That is the New
York Times list, and Clay let me just say none
(26:59):
of them, none of them have the kind of brand
power and national recognition that they need to even be
seriously considered right now for anything in the presidential realm.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Let me just say, Andy Basher and Roy Cooper are
Tim Walls like in that every man who sees them
will be like, I'm not voting for that guy to
have control of nuclear power like Democrat. This is what
I think is the lasting legacy. Two things as we
go to break here. One buck, I think one reason
this Biden Kamala fight is going to be so nasty
is everybody recognizes neither of the one of them has
(27:31):
a political future now, so they're not fighting for the
future of their careers, they're fighting for their legacy. Now.
I think that's going to be particularly nasty. Two. To me,
the biggest story of the twenty twenty four election. Trump
won all those things, but in terms of the data,
Democrats have a monstrously huge issue with young men and
(27:54):
it's only going to continue to get worse. So the
reason when you read me all that list book. They
got to find dude. I'm sorry, Democrats got to find
a guy that normal guys would like to have a
beer with. None of those guys you just ran through
on that list are dudes. They tried to argue, Oh,
Tip wall is going to be a football guy. I'm
telling you maybe Gavin Newsom honestly is the most dudliest
(28:17):
of that group. And that's being very kind, right, Who
would you want to have a beer with in that group?
Gavin Newsom might be top of the list. And that's
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Sexton Show, Alex Berenson gonna join us momentarily. Let me
hit you with a bunch of different stories that have
broken in the last forty five minutes or so. Former
Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee nominated by Donald Trump to be
the next US Ambassador to Israel. Very good choice there.
I believe the Attorney General of Florida, Ashley Moody, has
(29:48):
opened an investigation into FEMA employees potentially bypassing people with
Trump signs or Trump flags in the wake of Hurricane Helene.
That is obviously an awful story that at least one
individual in a supervisory role put in writing that is
ignore homes with Trump paraphernalia pretty unbelievable. There is also
(30:14):
a story out there. That is significant that let's see,
hundreds of CNN layoffs are potentially coming that according to
the Daily Mail, citing a Puck story. All of that
and more, we bring in now Alex Berenson. Alex, you're
(30:34):
a media guy. You've been in media for a long time.
You used to be at the New York Times. Now
you have a sub stack. You've been on with us
now for years, been doing a great job. You, like me,
have kind of traversed a unique path. You voted for Trump.
We'll get to that in a moment. But what lesson
do you think on a larger scale is out there
for media in the wake of Trump's triumph, his popular vote,
(30:58):
when even to Spike, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, Washington Post
focked the New York Times largely being propaganda for the
Kamala campaign. Where do we go from here? Again? That
CNN story, hundreds of layoffs coming as their audience is tanking.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean I just saw that, and I as
you were reading the intro, and I have to admit
I am smiling. You know, Brian Stelter and Oliver Darcy,
who are you know? Oliver left CNN, Brian got fired
from CNN and rehired. They both tried to have me
centered three years ago. Because that's what legacy media does
to reporters. It doesn't like it just tosses out, you know,
(31:39):
any effort.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Can I tell you, Alex he started his career with
me at the Blaze.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, that's fascinating. Well, maybe seeing you know, maybe he'll
wind up back there, maybe, Yeah, but you know that
they can't compete. And you know, there was a story
just before the election where somebody said, well, you know,
just the fact that you're fifty percent of the country
at a minimum have absolutely tuned out the you know,
(32:08):
the mainstream media and that and that Joe Rogan by
himself is probably more powerful than the entire mainstream media.
That you guys are probably more powerful than the Washington Post.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
That just tells you how much trust these peopbugg burned
in the last you know, ten years, And honestly, this
year's been the worst year yet, right because because look
what happened with Joe Biden. Okay, look what happened in
the spring with Joe Biden. It was entirely clear he
couldn't function and there was a US attorney, one of
(32:39):
the few people outside, you know, sort of the Biden
administration outside, the cloister who got inside just to talk
to him for a couple hours, right to interview him,
you know, in the document's case, and that US attorney
in February put out a report saying this guy can't
really function, right. I mean, that wasn't the point of
(32:59):
the report, but there was a line in it a
well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. And the
media went crazy trying to discredit Robert Hurr, that US attorney,
and arguing with anybody who pointed out the videos showing
just how clearly senile and adele Joe Biden was and
saying they were cheat up. So they made up this
(33:22):
word cheap fake, and people saw for once, they got
to see Joe Biden on June twenty seventh on his own,
not having a teleprompter to help him, and they saw
how messed up he really was. And I think that
was the end. Okay, it started years and years ago,
It got worse with COVID, it got worse with the
(33:43):
failure of the mRNA vaccines, which they still haven't admitted,
but in June it was over. And listen, obviously, I'm
you know, I have self interested But if I ran
the New York Times, I'd be calling me okay or
Matt Tayibe or Barry wife and saying what you know, like,
I'm not asking you to run my newspaper. I'm not
asking you for even for necessarily for story ideas. But
(34:04):
you got to tell me, like, how did we get
so messed up that we can't even tell the truth
about something as basic as the sinility of the president.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Speaking of telling the truth, Alex, I saw your tweet
and I'm sure a lot of or I guess we
call them posts now, but I still like tweet. I
saw I saw your post on x where you said
and I'm going to paraphrase here, you also included some
information from the autopsy report. Now that we're allowed to
tell the truth again in the media, when do we
(34:34):
get to talk about the fact that George Floyd died
of an overdose?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
How did that go for you? I'm just wondering, like,
what go ahead?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know? So so you know four years ago, I
would have been you know, put on my head, would
have been put on stick, like maybe quite literally. Okay,
Now that got sixty thousand likes. It got three point
six million views. It's sort of back to the COVID
days for me, where I could, you know, like where
I really could feel like, wow, a lot of people
(35:03):
are seeing this, and and you know, if there look,
there are a few people who disagreed, and and and
you know, you're entitled to disagree. But but like the
fact that I was able to sort of put that
out and get it seen and all it, frankly is,
is the autopsy report itself. It was striking to me.
And the other thing that was striking to me about
putting that out is you guys probably had seen that
(35:25):
and knew that and knew that you know, he had
such toxic levels yes, no, and that amphetamine in his blood.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
We talked about it on the show quite a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But so the mainstream media and the elite media did
such a good job hiding this fact that people I
know who are on the right, okay, smart conservatives, said
to me, are you sure this is real? Are you
sure you didn't get you know, faked out into putting
up something that's not true. And I said, here's the
link to the you know, the medical Examiner's office. Here's
the link that will show you that this is real.
(35:56):
But people, you know, that's the one thing the media
has left. They can't really they can't really drive news,
but they can hide news. So they've refused to report on,
you know, on my lossuit against the Biden administration, and
people don't know how bad.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, if you remember, there was also in the Trayvon
Martin casey, the photo that everybody thought of when they
thought of Trayvon Martin tended to be him. I believe
where he was twelve years old and so and to
this day, I still have people that say, oh, well,
George Zimmerman, he was that guy was just a kid.
I mean, Trayvon was I think he was eighteen, and
he was six feet tall, one hundred and eighty five pounds.
(36:33):
I mean he was a full grown man bashing this
guy in the face. Now I'm not, you know, some
big fan of George Zimmerman or anything. I mean, he's
had a bad stuff has happened with that guy. But
they also changed the audio you remember of Zimmerman calling
into the police. Someone actually got fired for that. But
the media constructed this entire narrative around Trayvon Martin that
was able to endure despite the fact that no, he
(36:55):
was not twelve when he jumped on George Zimmerman. The
other one is the photo that people people think of
with Mike Brown is his graduation photo. Right. And this
is another thing where you say, okay.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Well, pounds, right, Mike Brown was three hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yes, he was a three hundred pounds man when he
was charging the police officer. But I'm just bringing up
incidents where the media has effectively rewritten the history. And
it's a lot of the time it's on these issues
of BLM or police violence, and your willingness to talk
about this issue again, when do we get to discuss
did Derek Chauvin get a fair trial?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Why? Why?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
That's a great question.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
You can make it.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
You can make the case that, you know, maybe he's
guilty of manslaughter, maybe he you know, maybe you know,
maybe he committed assault. Right, But that man's in jail
essentially for the rest of his life, twenty two and
a half to life, and you know he's already faced
one assault in prison. I mean, I did you know
the second post that I put up after the first
one was I thought we outlawed human sacrifice, right, like
(37:54):
like Derek Chauvin definitely didn't get which would you know,
the trial we would all hope to get, and and
and and you know that was in large part because people,
I think pretty much knew that if he were acquitted,
there were gonna be will riots. And that's okay.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He was He was effectively handed over to the mob.
It was mob justice, even though the state did it.
And this is why I want to ask you about
Daniel Penny. I can tell you know, there's been some
New York Post reporters who have been in that courtroom,
you know, sharing what they're seeing and observing. There are
you know, activists in that courtroom, shouting and screaming and calling.
You know, they're there. They've made this a cause for
(38:32):
the anti police sort of NNGO apparatus. And I'm sitting here,
I'm going and there's a lot of references in the
transcript to Daniel Penny that seemed to me to be
intentionally inflammatory. Is he getting a fair trial?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Is anyone going to talk about this?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean, I've only seen what you've seen. It's funny.
You're making me wish that I'd gone down there and
sat in myself. I mean I've seen the references the
white guy, the white man without without you know, actually
reading the transcript like you know, I will withhold judgment.
But I think you're raising a good question.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh, Alex, you voted for Trump. I don't think you
voted for Trump in twenty or at least publicly didn't
say it.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I know you didn't vote for him in twenty or sixteen.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I did not twenty or sixteen. What has the reaction
been for you for voting for Trump for the first
time in twenty four? First part, Second part. I've met
a lot of people who have come up to me
and said, what you have met you're a political path.
Didn't vote Trump sixteen, didn't vote twenty The math seems
to suggest that there are millions of those people nationwide
(39:38):
based on the popular vote. What has the reaction been
to you since you announced you were voting Trump in
twenty four and what finally put you over to make
that choice different than you did in sixteen and twenty.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
You know, some of my mother, who is the big
MSNPC viewer, is very mad at me, you know. From that,
I mean, you know, and I've gotten you know a
few ataboys from people who are readers of my substack.
Obviously my substack runs conservative, you know. And some of
those people said, well, why didn't you do it in
twenty twenty or twenty sixteen, you know you're too late. Well,
(40:16):
you know, I made my own decision, and I got
there my own way. You know, I would say, what
what got me over the edge? Believe it or not?
And I've been very close, but you know, I did
have I did have concerns about especially about his his
(40:37):
sort of unwillingness to say, look, if I lose, I'm
going to acknowledge that I lost. I didn't like that, okay,
but I'd say two things. When I actually thought about
the Biden administration and what they did to me, right
that they censored me. How could how could I not
you know, vote for the other side under those circumstances.
(40:57):
And you know, and people well had on the left
had been hysterical all about Donald Trump now for almost
ten years, and you know, saying he's going to be
a fascist, He's going to be a fascist. And his
first term he was not a fascist. Okay, you can
say a lot of things about him, but he wasn't
enough lateritarian, and he wasn't a fascist. So I finally
(41:18):
just sort of got tired of being lectured to by
all those folks. And I'll say one more thing. I
was in Iraq in two thousand and three and two
thousand and four for the New York Times. I saw
Leust prosecute that war. I saw it go badly. Okay,
I don't like Dick Chene. I don't like the Chenies.
The idea that Kamala Harris thought it was a good idea,
(41:43):
thought that people like me in the middle, really in
the middle, were going to be convinced by by Liz
Cheney is insane. It's such bad judgment that it almost
sort of is disqualifying.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, the fact that they wrapped there are was in
a big hug around Liz Cheney at the very end
was pretty amazing. I think a defining moment for the campaign.
Well thing, I want to ask you, Alex, we only
got about a minute and a half left, but just
wean't put this out there. Trump new administration, big Win mandate,
perhaps all these things going on. I'm not done with
the COVID maniacs. I mean, we're gonna have somebody here
(42:19):
in charge of you know, nih we're gonna have somebody
new in charge of CDC. How could we I'm not
saying like like public guitar and feather, like that's a
medieval thing. We don't do that anymore, but like, how
could we get some accountability for this?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Well, great question, So and I know it on much
Sam too. I'll say two things. Hopefully they opened the
books and and sort of reveal Partly, you know, I'd
like that for myself in my lawsuit, right, but but
I think it'd be really good to open the books
and see what CDC knew, what they were in the FDA,
what they were talking to the companies about in twenty
twenty one in the summer, as the vaccines were failing,
(42:57):
really failing for the first time, because there's information that
hasn't come out. The second thing, and this is this
is both about the COVID vaccines but all vaccines. I'm
a very big fan of this. I'm going to keep
writing about it. So there are two products you can't
sue over in the United States. One is social media.
You basically can't sue them for any reason, and the
other are vaccines, not other drugs. If something goes wrong
(43:20):
and you take a drugs you can sue the company.
But if it's a vaccine, if it's called a vaccine,
if it's an mRNA vaccine, you basically can't sue. And
you know, it's funny, like I'm such a Republican, I'm joking.
I really believe like in our tort system, right, Like
it's really important. And the fact that the Democrats want
(43:43):
and have given vaccine companies immunity is crazy and that
needs to go away.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I agree, totally agree. All right, Well, can you keep
coming on here. We're going to keep banging this drum
on all these issues and just drop like massive truth
bonds from thirty thousand feet because as you see that,
people respond. People like the truth. And now because of
Elon at least on X and on your substack, which
people should go subscribe to unreported truths, you can get
it out there. So Alex, it's been quite a journey.
(44:10):
Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I will come on.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Thanks guys, fantastic, thank you. All right, you know what
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I wanted to play a couple of cuts for you.
First of all, reports out there that Marco Rubio is
going to be Secretary of State. This guy would be
an absolute hawk on a ran, on China, on Cuba,
(45:55):
but also on Israel's right to defend itself. Center Marco
was confronted in the halls of Congress and asked about
whether he was concerned about too many casualties for Hamas.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
This is what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I want you to get this.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
I want them to destroy every element of Hamas they
can get their hands on, because people are viscious.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Animals who did horrifying crimes.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
And I hope you guys post that.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
What about the civilians?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Every day, Hamas stopped hiding behind civilians, putting civilians in
the way. Hamas knew that this was going to lead
to this.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Hamas has stopped building their military installations underneath hospital.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
So you don't the fifteen thousand, you don't care about
the babies that are every day.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I think it's terms is one hundred percent to blame.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
So that is Rubio steadfast. That was from December of
twenty three, again not official, but reports that Rubio is
going to be the choice for Secretary of State Florida senator.
That would give Ron DeSantis, for those of you who
are big to same fans, an opportunity to appoint someone
to serve out the rest of or the next couple
(47:06):
of years of Marco Rubio's term. We'll see what ends
up happening there. I also buck one of the big
questions to me as we await the final tally, but
know that Donald Trump has won the electoral College with
three hundred and twelve votes, is now comfortably going to
win the popular vote as well, is would there be
rational Democrats who stand up and say, hey, maybe we
(47:29):
need to look in the mirror. Some of the things
that we argued for are absurd. One of them, I'll
give him credit. Democrat Congressman Seth Moulton said, hey, we've
got to stop with trying to argue that men pretending
to be women should be able to compete in women's championships.
He's being lacerated by the left. He went on MSNBC,
(47:53):
and this is what he had to say about that.
Speaker 6 (47:58):
I heard a number of people within the Biden administration,
other foreign policy leaders, who also all sort of said
with almost in one voice quote it could.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Have been worse.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
In terms of the Rubio pick, that he is a senator,
he does have some national security credentials, he has been
a believer in NATO. Now, of course he's going to
serve with the pleasure as a president. He's going to
carry out Trump's agenda, but he's at least something of
a reassuring figure. Also, it's just who doesn't get that job,
the Rick Grenell's, the cash hotels of the world, who,
(48:29):
you know, the real firebrands of the right of mago world,
who there was real concern might be put in the
foggy bottom post. At least for this, there's a sense
that this the Rubio pick, is a signal that there
might be at least some grown ups in the room.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
All right, that is not what I called for, But
that is more of the analysis of the Rubio decision.
In the event that that becomes the finality. I was
talking about cut fifteen here and cut sixteen Seth Molten
being ripped to shreds for saying something really quite uh
clear that is not controversial for eighty or ninety percent
(49:04):
of Americans. Let's start with cut fifteen.
Speaker 7 (49:06):
When people like this and our party try to cancel
me or whoever else, they're also talking down, they're canceling
the views of a vast majority of Americans. And so
how on earth are we going to win elections if
that's our approach, that we just want to preach down
to people and tell them that they're morally wrong if
they don't meet.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Some strict ideological purity tests.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
He continued with more cut sixteen.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
The founders of this crazy concept called freedom of speech,
and we Democrats would do well to remember that foundational
American value. Because we can't talk about these tough issues,
we're never going to win on them. And guess what,
you know who's going to get hurt the most. It's
trans kids, it's minorities across America. We're going to be
attacked by this eightful Trump agenda. And if we don't
(49:53):
have a rational response, then rope Republicans are just going
to carry the day.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
That's what Harris's problem was.
Speaker 7 (49:59):
She didn't have a risk sponse to this issue because
she was so afraid to even raise it, and as
a result, Trump frusture on it.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Because Trump's right sometimes bucked. There are right and wrong issues.
The fact that seth Moulton tiptoeing up to, hey, maybe
dudes shouldn't be able to win women's championships is causing
explosive criticism for him from the left in this country.
It ties in. I think I was telling you off air.
(50:27):
Nate Silver, who we had on earlier, is a data
stattician guy from the left. But he said when he
would share his forecast, Republicans would say, Okay, it's a
fifty to fifty election. I like this data element, I
agree with this, disagree with that. They would have a conversation.
He said, anytime he said something other than Kamala Harris
(50:48):
is going to win comfortably, Democrats would lose their mind.
They're a cult and the woke mind virus, as Elon
has called it, has deeply infected huge person of their
cult fan base and their cult voting block to an
extent that even a Democrat congressman just trying a bare
(51:09):
semblance of common sense is being universally attacked on the
left for not bowing down to the cult's belief that
men can become women.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
This is going to continue to be a huge problem
for them. I think at the national level, they they
cannot win on this issue with the country as it
is now. They may think that they are able to
change the country, and I think that's certainly what the
extreme Democrats believe on this issue, or the extreme left
(51:44):
believes on this issue, but they simply cannot win right
now with the country as it is. And the fact
that after this kind of an election, they would all,
you know, it's interesting me people say this, and they'll
attack you online and you'll hear from but nobody will
go on TV to defend this position against somebody of
(52:06):
you know, relatively equal standing on whether it's media or
in politics, right, you won't have There is not a
single Democrat who will go on TV and debate the issue.
They'll talk to people about it, they'll talk to like
a CNN propagandist about it, but they will not openly
debate the issue of whether or not boys have an
(52:27):
advantage over girl.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Tink about how crazy that is. They won't even allow
the conversation to occur, and we played that audio even
on CNN. When the conversation happened, it was immediately derided
as hate language, and they tried to shout down the
very argument that this is absurd and buck this is
(52:48):
an eighty twenty issue. The fact that Kamala has never
been asked that question, the fact that Biden has never
been asked that question, is proof that we live in
a fundamental artificial media age. Because if the media's job
is to ask questions that people care about, how in
the world has that question never been asked. I mean,
OutKick asked that question of Don Staley, the University of
(53:13):
South Carolina women's basketball coach. She said men should be
able to play on women's teams, which I think is crazy,
but at least she answered it. The other fifteen Sweet
sixteen coaches wouldn't even respond to our question. I mean,
this is not a healthy democracy when that many people
are terrified to tell you something that they all know
(53:35):
is wrong. Right, anybody who's ever played sports knows that
the idea of men being able to play women's sports
is fundamentally wrong, just like me playing Little League would
be wrong, like it violates the very essence of competition.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It's insane. This is not I don't disagree with them.
I think people that think otherwise are living in a delusion.
They're disconnected from reality that what they're saying is absurd.
It is up and down. They just demand that you
celebrate falsehood with this, and I think that everybody should
(54:09):
see this for what it is.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
It is.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Unfortunately, there's some deep ideological reasons why this is so
important to the left, but it is unfortunately the case
that they're going to continue on with this because there's
a whole there is a whole apparatus of pushing this
of NGOs. You know, imagine also Clay, all of the
(54:31):
people who have been convinced, whether they're medical personnel or parents,
convinced bimedical personnel to let's say, trans their children through sterilization,
drugs and even possibly surgery top surgery, things like that.
And this is why Elon Musk became so red pilled.
So many people aren't going to ever want to accept
(54:52):
that they have been a part of something that irrevocably
hurts children. They have hurt children in ways far more
severe than any of them are going to ever want
to own up to. And that's the challenge that you
have with this is that you have a sort of
built in base of people that will believe to the
(55:12):
very end. You got to give puberty blockers to thirteen
year olds who a little confused about their place in
the world because medicine it's insane.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
All of that. I tweeted this earlier Buck because the
story came out. At least fourteen thousand children have had
their ovaries, their penises, their breast or had those removed
or been surgically or chemically castrated in America in the
past five years. Fourteen thousand kids. These are miners. All
(55:43):
of the people lecturing you that you are on the
wrong side of history and that they're on the right
side of history have been chemically castrating children and genitally
mutilating them. That's their argument. I can't believe we're here,
but that is the reality of what we are facing,
and still so many refuse to acknowledge that reality. I
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