Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Feb 25 2025

Buck's suggestion for Rachel Maddow. Rep. Jim Jordan on the IRS leak. Promises made, promises kept. Press access and DOGE expectations.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. The audio phenomenon continues. Thank you
for being here with us. We have so much to
dive into. Doge doing its thing. The cuts are coming,
The cuts are coming fast and furious. The Federal Leviathan

(00:28):
is healing the heat. This is all very good stuff.
Some things and I have to have tip Chris Rufo
for this, that have been found from within the intelligence
community an internal but company remember not like private time,
an internal chat thread that Chris Rufo has gotten access

(00:49):
to from within the IC. So we have our own
classified Now this is unclassified information, but we do. There's
ways obviously you can talk to people in the building
at and you can you know, we're sending classified emails,
classified text messages, those sorts of things. There was some
kind of a thread set up for the lgbt QIA

(01:10):
plus plus members of the intelligence community, and some of
the things that were said are very troubling and make
you think that there are activist weirdos who have infiltrated
the intelligence community in the hundreds at least which is
and that's just what we can see. So we shall

(01:31):
discuss that a little bit. And I think actually a producer, Ali,
why don't we put out an asked to Chris Rufosi
if he wants to come on and discuss because I
can add a little. He's never been in the CIA,
so I could kind of look at what he's got
and give a sense as to what I think is
going on here. We've also got, like I said, doge
what they're doing the gender madness Bill Maher asking one

(01:52):
of the pod save bros Hey, if you think the
state should be able to hide gender dysphorio or dysmorphia,
whatever they want to call it this week from parents.
You're in a bad spot because the American people are
not with you. I think that's a really interesting discussion.
David Hog Clay, who would definitely benefit from some chalk,

(02:14):
Like we should get that guy. I don't know if
they could do chalk intravenously, but with this guy needs
some chalk from our our friends there. But anyway, David
Hogg talking about Biden's mental decline and how it was
hidden from everyody, I think that's really interesting. But for
those of us who are taking stock of where the
Democrats are at this moment in time, unburdened by what

(02:35):
has been. MSNBC is unburdened by the Joy Read Show
at this stage. And now she's very she's very upset. Now.
I will tell you this. Clay and I are both nice, Like,
we are both nice people. Clay Clay is a little
can be a little saltier, little sassy, or sometimes are

(02:58):
faster to be salty. I would say, is that fair? Am?
I? I don't want to speak for you, but you're you.
You like a good scrap online. You know I can
do and I don't. I don't like the way I
will describe it is I try to be super nice
to everybody, but the minute that someone is unkind to me,
I flip pretty quickly, right, Like I think that's fair. Yes, yes,

(03:22):
Clay has Clay has two speeds, chill with everybody or
nuclear war. Basically, I think that's that's somewhat accurate. Like
I don't force escalation. I'm like, are you really intending
to be so rude? Like Clay is just like nuke
boom gone, So it's accurate. Yeah, exactly, That's how it
goes I pay attention now with Joy Reid. She has

(03:43):
spent years being quite nasty to people on the right.
I think she has an animus to certain people that
comes out in her commentary, and now she wants sympathy.
This is cut too, and Clay, you can react to it.
Here we go, Joy Reid very sad that she's no
longer getting paid millions of dollars to be horrible at
her job. Played too.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
My show had value and that that that what I
was doing value and value. And in the end, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I try not to cry on TV, so I apologize.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
In the end, where I land is that the moment
that I've of guilt, that I felt that I went
hard on so many issues, whether it was the Black
Lives Matter issues of a young baby or a mom
or dad that was killed, or you know that Nicole
Hannah Jones put into our spirit that we need to
understand sixteen nineteen as the real founding of this country,

(04:42):
whether it's talking about Gaza and the fact that we
as the American people to have a right to object
to little babies being bombed. And where I come down
on that is, I'm not sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Are you sorry, Clay for her No, I'm ecstatic, and
I also love that she started to cry because I
want her to be sad and I want her to
recognize that the only reason she ever had a job
was because her bosses are morons. And even when they

(05:17):
recognize she was a moron, they were afraid to fire
her because they were afraid that she would call them racist.
And I think this is emblematic of how everything has
fallen apart. How about Rachel matt Aubuch. Did you see this?
She went on right after Joy Reid and said MSNBC
is racist for firing Joy. Read This is Rachel mad Albach,

(05:41):
who makes twenty five million dollars a year to do
one show a week. I know she's on for the
first hundred days of Trump or whatever. Nobody seems to
really care. She's lost her mojo. But listen to cut three.
This is how much of a disaster inside of MSNBC is.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Buck.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think you would agree with me on this. I'm
not ever going to and I don't think I ever
have publicly taken shots at my employer on the air.
I think it's super unprofessional. And I also think, like
you're not going to agree with everything that ever that
ever happens to you at any job. For Rachel Maddow,

(06:23):
who I think has been treated more fairly by MSNBC
than maybe anyone in our entire industry, they made her
a star. She's very replaceable. Yes, they made her a superstar,
paying her tens of millions of dollars and has absolutely
zero gratitude. I'll tell you this, I have never turned
on any employer that I have ever worked for publicly

(06:44):
because I think it with the exception of CNN, however,
I was a contractor there for like, yeah, short period
of time, and that was political. It wasn't that. I
wasn't saying CNN like mistreated me as an employee. I
was just like, they're out of their minds. They hate
Trump and they're destroying the That's just the truth. But
in terms of people that you've worked for, I think
it shows a real character deficit, especially especially when you've

(07:07):
been elevated the way that Rachel Maddow has been an
MSNBC to turn around and say, oh, you know, look
at what they're doing. But you know what this is Clay.
All the very overpaid white hosts in primetime at MSNBC,
they have to go above and beyond to make everyone
understand how much they care about diversity, equity and inclusion.

(07:28):
And by the way, it's all bs because if she
really thinks it's awful, then she should resign and she
should insist that MSNBC replace her with a minority, a
black woman in particular. But this was Rachel. Of course
she's not gonna do that because she wants her money
and she also wants to tell everybody how holier than
now she is. But remember buck, was that Rona McDaniel

(07:51):
that got hired by NBC News and Rachel Maddow threw
a fit and they ended up firing her. I think
it was Rona McDaniel. This is the not the first
time we've seen a major flare up that has occurred
inside of the community here. But here is Rachel Maddow saying, Hey, basically,
Joy Reid got fired because she's black and NBC is racist.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Listen, there is no colleague for whom I have had
more affection and more respect than Joy Reid. I love
everything about her. I have learned so much from her,
I have so much more to learn from her. I
do not want to lose her as a colleague. Here
at MSNBC, and personally, I think it is a bad
mistake to let her walk out the door. It is
not my call and I understand that, but that's what

(08:36):
I think. I will tell you. It is also unnerving
to see that on a network where we've got two
count of two non white hosts in primetime. Both of
our non white hosts in primetime are losing their shows,
as is Katie Fang on the weekend, and that feels
worse than bad no matter who replaces them. That feels

(08:57):
indefensible and I do not defend it.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh, they're so at MSNBC. They're so racist. All of
a sudden, I got a couple things for you on
this Clay. One is this is a reminder that as
far as the left is concerned, the metrics don't matter
when it comes to anything that involves race and DEI.
Her numbers are terrible. This is a business right. She

(09:21):
doesn't actually move the needle. It would be one thing,
and it's a different thing if they had a situation
where where Joy Reid's numbers were doing great, but they
thought her, you know, persona was too toxic for the
current environment, which has happened to other hosts by the way,
at other networks, but whatever, and they pushed that person

(09:41):
out right, that would be one thing. Her numbers are terrible,
so objectively she is failing at her job. TV is
a brutal business. You and I know this, so is radio.
By the way, you're not getting the numbers. Somebody else
has to come along and do it. So that's part one.
Part two for me is madam makes what thirty million
dollars a year? Yeah, twenty five million. Now she got
thirty million. They gave her a pay cut to do

(10:02):
one day a week. They dropped her all the way
down to twenty five. I don't know how they can do.
Go she should go to the execs at MSNBC and
say because also Joy reads this, this is one thing
that I'll say is brutal about the particularly TV business too,
in radio sometimes as well. But when the host goes,
the staff goes yeah for the host. And I've I've
been present for when this happens, like I've been there

(10:24):
when the show is I've been on a show that's
been canceled before. And it's like when a head coach
gets fired too, the whole staffuse gets fired. Everybody goes,
so everybody goes. So she had probably ten or oh no,
it was way more than that. It was I think
I've seen. It's a few dozen staffers working on our show,
and a lot of them are being if not all
of them being let go. My point is merely, if
Rachel Mattat was so upset by this, she should have

(10:46):
gone to them. She doesn't need any more money. She
should go to them and say, guys, take ten million
out of my salary and cover Joy and her staff
for another year. Give them another She could do that,
it wouldn't be as good. People have done that in
media before they've taken There have been actors have taken
huge pay cuts to pay by the way Keanu reeves
famously to pay the staff a lot more to you know,
the crew a lot more during COVID. I bet you

(11:07):
did this, Buck, I mean, everybody at iHeart took substantial
cuts to I know in the sports department we did.
There were no sports going on. I gave up, I
don't remember what it was, like a third in my
salary in order to try to keep people from getting
laid off. I think a lot of on air people did. Yes,
I mean that's what you do for your people, right,
because your people are necessary for the product that you're

(11:29):
putting out and you have a loyalty to them and
vice versa. So I just think it's interesting in Rachel
Mattaw here she is crying about this, or well not
quite crying, that's Joy Reid, but whining about this, and
it's completely within her power to have changed the situation.
She could also just say I'm going to fund Why
doesn't she fund Joy Joy Reid's next media venture. I'm
sure it will be incredibly successful just telling white Republicans

(11:52):
how awful and racist they are every day. I'm sure
there's just a huge audience for that that she could
tap into. So or really all Republicans, but particularly white
republic Constroy Reach seems to have a big problem with
and that's I think the realities of the media environment
right now, Clay reflecting the realities of the political environment
that we're in, which is a different era and Trump

(12:13):
is the new sheriff in town and there's no way
around it. Yeah, and we'll play some of the data
because I think what you hit is so incredibly important.
This ultimately comes down to dollars and cents in twenty seventeen,
being virulently anti Trump made the Washington Post, The New
York Times, MSNBC, CNN and other media outlets tons of money,

(12:35):
and so they leaned into that. What's happened so far
in twenty twenty five is the legacy media has been
destroyed in the last eight years and their audience doesn't
trust them anymore. And I the Megan Kelly numbers and
we'll play some of her diving into the actual number
of people that are listening. We have more people in
some cities listening to us right now on the radio,

(12:59):
and we're watching joy Read in age demos right now,
which is pretty crazy. We have single stations of the
five hundred stations that this show is currently carried on.
I think it might be like four hundred and ninety
eight or something, but five hundred stations, we have single,
single stations that are more listened to than the entire

(13:20):
demo audience for joy Reads to catch right show is
that is actually a fact right now, which is pretty amazing.
So we will dive into all this. And I just
have another side note, but before I forget it, your point, Clay,
and I think it is so cleared out for everybody.
A lot of these left wing hume left wing media
because they had control. There was a saturation effect. Yeah,
just so many places and so many they're all saying

(13:41):
the same thing, and they're really not that talented or
that interesting. You'll notice that when somebody on the right
leaves the mothership, generally there's one mothership that they leave,
but I leave when somebody on the right leaves a
big corporate TV place and goes off on their own, somehow,
they're very successful. That's very successful afterwards, because they have

(14:02):
an audience, they have a talent, they have a skill set. Democrats,
if you don't go from MSNBC to CNN, or you
don't go from CNN to NPR or something like that,
you got nothing. It's a different market. Yeah, they have
no actual audience of fans. And I think that is
going to become very apparent to joy Read that she
cannot replicate her multimillion dollar salary, despite the fact she's

(14:25):
had the luxury of coming into people's homes for years
to convince them that they should like her, and they
still haven't. Yeah, you know what I've got going on
tomorrow night, everybody, It's exciting steak night. But told Carrie,
I said, it's a cheap meal night coming up for me.
I'm moving around dur in the week sometimes on the weekends,
but I got family in down this week. Steak is
a cheap meal for you. How healthy are you now,

(14:48):
I mean claim that's unbelievable. Steak is pretty healthy. They
just have that many calories clay, when you throw the
burnette sauce in there, when you add in the baked
potato with a little ogret tan, when you maybe do
the cream spinach, when you say there's a way to
do steak that anyway, we'll talk Dian another day, point
being tomorrow night, I'm diving into ribbis, my friend. I've

(15:08):
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there's a bunch of fancy steakhouses here in Miami that
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is really where you do the damage on the calories.

(16:10):
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our friend, Congressman Jim Jordan, Great State of Ohio. I

(16:52):
don't know that we've talked to Jim since the Ohio
State Buckeyes won the national championship, and so can adulations there.
I know you didn't. I know you've got connections to
a variety of Big ten schools over the years. We
got a lot to get into with you, but I
wanted to start with this. I saw your House Judiciary
Committee putting out news over four hundred thousand individual tax

(17:18):
returns have been leaked, which is a staggering number, and
we wanted to give you an opportunity to kind of
explain to all of us how that happened, what's going on,
and what you expect to uncover going forward.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
By one guy Clay who went to the IRS with
the specific objective of leaking President Trump's tax return wo
and as in that effort, four hundred and five thousand
either businesses or individuals have their tax information and violations
you know section sixty one or three, so that we've
dealt with in a long time here time in Congress.

(17:52):
But that information goes public and he gets charged with
one count one unt to be four hundred five thousand,
I mean, for goodness, and you know, we hear so
much about oh Elon Musk having access to sensitive information.
It was a contractor hired by the Biden administration who
came in with the specific goal, accomplished that goal, and
four hundred and five thousand other people also had their

(18:14):
information public. And it just I mean, it's the irs
the same in what they you know, a dollars for
eighty thousand new people to come in there, and yet
oh Elon Musk can't have access to this information where
he's actually going to save taxpayers money. It's so ridiculous.
You know, this is the irs though, this is big government.
That's why, you know, God blessed President Trump. And in

(18:37):
the Doze effort, because I think they're they're they're highlighting
how ridiculous some of these things the government really does.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Congress and Jordan always appreciate you being with us. I'm sorry,
I just want to make sure that I'm getting this right,
because this is one of these things where it actually
it feels a little mind blowing, even given this stuff
we've seen from the government, as bad as a lot
of the bureaucracy stuff. Is four hundred thousand tax returns
were leaked? How do we know this? And will most

(19:04):
people be notified of this? It just seems like, yeah,
the IRS is not.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
They are being notified, and you know that's the least
we can do. But remember this is the same IRS.
I mean, we just had Matt Tybey come and testify
again two weeks ago. And if you remember, back in
December of twenty twenty two, Matt type does one of
the Twitter files, important Twitter file. The very day he
releases that Twitter file, which just happened to be December

(19:30):
twenty fourth, twenty twentieth Christmas Eve, that very day, the
IRS opens an investigation into his taxes. They open that
very day, and then two and a half months later,
he's testifying in front of our committee. And while he's testifying,
while Democrats are asking him to reveal sources, while they're
saying he's a so called journalist. Why they're attacking him.
The IRS was knocking on his door. So should we

(19:51):
be surprised that the Biden ir S is actually, you know,
having somebody get inside there and release President Trump's tax
return and a bunch of hundred of thousands of other
American entities as well. This is how ridiculous. This is
why big government is bad? And what what what we're
focused on? What President Trump campaigned on and Elon must
is now implementing, is so darn important.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Jim, I know there's a ton that you've got, Clay.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
I'm just by the way with Matt Tybee. The IRS
actually owed him money. Mean, think about they're trying to
intimidate him, and it turned out they owed him. You
can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So anyway, I think you know this, I mean because
you listen, Buck is being audited right now. I have
been good times, good times, really fun. I never was
audited in my entire life until we took over this show.
Every one of my tax returns since I started this
show has been audited. One of them congressmen, the IRS

(20:47):
told me I owed thirty nine dollars and seventy five cents.
I mean, I don't know who they've got thirty nine
dollars and seventy five cents. You're lucky dog didn't find
you first, Clay. That's I don't know who they got
pouring through my tax returns. But I don't know how
many people have ever gotten a back tax ode bill
of thirty nine dollars and seventy five cents. But I did. Yeah,

(21:09):
And so it's like, you know this when you look
and you've met Elon and you've had the opportunity to
interact with him. Can you believe that Democrats have decided
that the hill they want to die on is being
aggressive to try to cut waste and spending is unacceptable.
Some of this stuff I just can't believe is a

(21:30):
real argument.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
No, I agree, and I caught you. I forget where
I saw you're doing an interview. You're making this point. No,
I mean, instead of helping you stop the stupid spending,
let's attack the guy who's exposing the stupid spending. Like what,
that's your that's your political party. I mean, that's that's
the position you're gonna take and take that to the folks.
I get the privilege of representing in West Central and
North central Ohio farmers and people who work in manufacturing

(21:54):
and the good regular families. They're like, what are you
talking about. I'd actually like for you to stop the
stupid spend. Yeah, I don't get it. But if they
want to do that, God bless him, we will keep
We'll keep talking about the crazy things that their tax
money is being used for and working to stop it.
Work along with Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
One of the most important things Congress and Jordan that
that you are looking to do and to get other
members of Congress on board for so much of what
we've seen so far is obviously executive branch action stuff
from the White House, from the Oval Office, President Trump,
from Elon and others, you know, his cabinet, various cabinet secretaries.

(22:31):
We have n't been you know. It must be interesting.
Congress isn't getting beat up over all this stuff right now.
Congress is sort of on the side as everyone's focused
on the executive branch. What do you want to see
the House do in order to assist in cleaning up
all the stuff that's going on here? I mean, what's
feasible and what's on the agenda.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Well, I mean, first's reconciliation. I mean, we've got a
budget package that we're hoping to pass the day. We're
trying to round up the boats to that. But this,
this budget resolution would allow us to It sets the
stage for us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with
national defense, and secure the border, which you know, go
figure that sounds like we're being Republicans. It sounds like
we're doing what we told the butters we're going to do.
So that's that's where primary focus is in the in

(23:13):
the Congress right now, is getting this package moving so
we can actually do via reconciliation, which is you know,
I'm sure you talk to your listeners many times as
just the fancy word for you don't need sixty votes
in the Senate to do the things that you want
to do when it relates to budgeting and spending. So
that's what we're we're really fools. But we are going
to have to codify some of the stuff that that
Elon Musk is identifying. And understand there's been there's been

(23:36):
efforts over the years to do Citizens against Government Waste
and other final organizations have highlighted some of this stuff
over the years. The ear marks, the bridge to know
where sup of things that that money gets spent on.
But there's never been this kind of intensity and focus
and effort with the media attention on Elon Musk and
and President Trump campaigning on it and saying Elon is
going to be the guy who randos. That is what

(23:59):
is new and I think dynamic and giving so much
attention to this, which is needed. Frankly, when you look
at the trillion dollar deficits we're running and the thirty
six trillion dollars debt that's now piled up. So that's
that's where we got to put it. At some point,
we're going to have to codify what he's what Elon
is identifying and his team, but also we've got to
get this reconciliation package done.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I mentioned Ohio State off the top. Obviously the vice
president Ohio State, Buck Eye Grad. I know he was
happy to see that win over Notre Dame. You are
also involved, in addition to a billion other things going
on NIL and college athletics. I think I saw coming
across the line a little bit earlier today was that
there's going to be a hearing surrounding that. Am I right,

(24:43):
where are we going for people? Out there who are
big college sports fans? What are you examining?

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Well, we're actually doing something that typically doesn't happen all
that often on Capitol Hill. We're actually going to do
hearing is what we're trying to get information. Whether it's
not some predetermined outcome that we want to some bill
we want to pass, or some decory we're trying to achieve.
We just want to We want everyone loves college sports.
We want them to be around. I watched the Oklahoma
State Iowa match on tape last night when I got
home late, and we want we love college sports and

(25:11):
most people's football, basketball, but there's so many other sports.
We want to make sure they're all doing well. We
met with Charlie Baker, we met with and through some
of some of the work with UCLAY, we've met with
some of the commissioners from some of the big conferences.
So we're looking at doing some hearings and field hearings
where we talk to people involved in college athletics and
see we want to make sure this continues. It's been

(25:32):
such an amazing thing, and it's different from most other
countries where it's all club level, different kind of concept,
This idea that sports are good for students and student athletes.
That's why we have them in school, and when you
get to the top level Division one athletics, it's really
important to American So we're going to have some of
these hearings where we bring in people. We're kind of
waiting for this House decision when it's finalized, so we

(25:55):
sort of know exactly what's there, but we're actually gonna
solicit information. Imagine that Congress trying to get information and
figure out what's the best way to move forward. And
should we move forward at all as as you know
in Congress, or do you just let the marketplace work?
So those are the questions we have and we're trying to.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Get answers to Congressman, have you ever seen such a
lack of gusto from your counterparts on the Democrat side
in the Congress. It is a remarkable moment in American history.
Right now, it's just the deafening sound of crickets chirping.
As Trump is doing all this stuff, there's not much

(26:33):
happening from from them. What where do you think that goes?
Are they going to just summertime decide that they're going
to focus in on healthcare for the midterms or something.
How does it work?

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Well, I mean, yeah, they're they're going to keep fighting.
The left is the left, and they don't like the
idea that we the people are in charge. I mean,
it's I would say, this is the fundamental Fight's what
you're seeing with with Musk. It's like, oh no, no, no,
it's the bureaucrats. It's the faucies of the world who
are supposed to run things, you know, the experts. It
can't be we the people, via the people we actually
elect into office. It can't be that model. That's a competition.

(27:07):
We don't want that. We want the bureau cust of runting.
So that's the fundamental fight. There's still going to be
the left. But you're right, the momentum is all and
the energy is all on President Trump's side and the
Republican side. And you see that with the fact that
every single person he is nominated, with the exception of
mister Gates, but every single one has been confirmed. And
now we have Dan Bondino gonna go help cash, We've

(27:29):
got Pam Bondi, Todd Blantch coming into justice. I mean,
it's the team he has put together. Good sharp people
who understand they're supposed to be in those positions to
serve we the people. That's the attitude that was I
think reflective in the election, and that's the attitude you
see in these folks, and I'm excited about it all.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Jim, what shall we know about the time frame here
on bills getting passed? I know there's been a discussion
one bill, two bills, one big beautiful bill. What is
the current process I guess under which the this is
playing out on Capitol Hill? And what should we know
from a time frame perspective based on what you know?

Speaker 4 (28:10):
No good good question, And you know I'm as I
fell along tactically. One built, two bill, ten bills. I
don't care. I just want to get done what we
said we're going to do. But the one bill approach
is the budget for creating that. That vehicle is supposed
to happen tonight. Now, the Speaker said, we may or
may not be able to get the vote tonight, but
I think we can. We're working on that, and then
the final package. The timeline is the Speaker's laid out

(28:33):
and Leader Soon has talked about, is sometime in April
where we would get that one big beautiful bill, or
if it's two and you got to do a second one, okay,
but the idea with one is to get it done
sometime in April, so that those tax cuts are in place,
they stay in place, the new tax cuts come into place,
the money needed for Tom Homan to do his job
and secure our border because it takes revenue, it takes

(28:56):
resources to do that, and then some money for our
national defense, which again all the things we campaigned on.
That's the timeline, that's the Speaker's laid out, and that's
what we're trying to meet.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
What do you think of the chances Congress and Jordan
that for the first and maybe only time, you'll be
a part of a bill that's actually called one Big
Beautiful Bill. I think it has a nice ring to it.
I'm just thrown that out there, you know, And it's.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
So President Twulf and you know, you guys have spent
time running like I have, and a special guy, and
what a leader, and the optimism and love he has
for the country is just it's phenomenal. And I think
the bill is appropriately named. So let's hope we can
get it done tonight, get that first step done. Later
this evening.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Fantastic Congress and Jim Jordan. But how appreciate you, sir,
Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Take care.

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got a couple of things I want to hit you
guys with because they are actually very positive in nature.
We are not talking enough. And I'll take the blame
partly for this about one of the things that Donald
Trump promised he would do, and I mean media at large,
not just this show, that he promised he would do,

(32:41):
and he has essentially one hundred percent delivered on. This
is from the Washington Post. Buck. These numbers at the
border are pretty unbelievable. There were only fifteen thousand, seven
hundred migrants encountered in the the entire thirty days the

(33:02):
first month since Trump became president. That's the lowest thirty
day number on the border since April of twenty seventeen. Remember,
they have not yet passed a bill. All Trump did
was show up and sign an executive order, many of them,

(33:23):
and boom, the border is right back to being closed.
Let me hit you with this encounters. This is according
to the Washington Post. So this is not the far
right wing sourcing here. This is the Washington Post. Encounters
are down ninety four percent from their high of two

(33:44):
hundred and sixty three thousand, nine hundred in December of
twenty twenty three. They're down ninety one percent for the
average of the Biden calendar four years, and they're down
eighty percent from average of the last quarter century from

(34:04):
two thousand to twenty twenty four. Tom Homan Borders are
will join us live on the program tomorrow. But this
was one of the strongest promises that Donald Trump made
on day one. I will shut down our southern border.
I will begin to deport violent criminals. Promise made, promise kept.

(34:28):
And you know, the numbers are extraordinary because by and large, Buck,
there's zero discussion suddenly about the border. If Trump had
fallen apart on the border, they'd be talking about it
a lot. Instead, it's shut down on a level we've
rarely seen in the past twenty five years. It also
goes to show beyond any doubt that Democrats were lying

(34:52):
for a long time when they were saying things like
we need congressional action to do anything about this, or
when they tried to at the last it was so transparent,
which is why the Republican in the Senate who went
along with it was just a useful idiot. When they
tried to pass that border security bill in the election year,
Oh yeah, I won't Republicans go with this border security bill.

(35:14):
They must want more illegals. You know, this is the
person who has burned your house down, running up with
a pail of water as it's smoldering, saying I'm here
to help. I mean, the whole thing was absolutely absurd.
This is a law enforcement issue, which means it's really
an executive branch issue, which means it's really a political
will issue. These individuals are in the country in violation

(35:37):
of existing congressional statutes. They are entering the country in
violation of existing congressionally passed statutes. So what you need
is people to enforce those laws and make sure there
are consequences as part of that enforcement, in this case
sending you back to the country that is your actual country,
and you don't just get to skip the line and

(35:59):
go around all the legal immigrants into American decide you're
going to stay here and get access to all the
benefits of being on American soil. So Trump is doing
a fantastic job with this so far. But I think
it does add to the sense of it should add
to the sense of outrage that people have that we
had to suffer through ten million illegals pouring into the

(36:21):
country under Biden. They wanted that to happen. This is
the key difference, right Clay. It's not that this was oh,
you know, we tried and they just overwhelmed and we
couldn't know. The Democrats pretended that they didn't want this
to happen, while they made sure that it was happening
and did nothing to stop it. In fact, they enabled it.

(36:44):
It was a policy decision that they made. It was
not a natural design and it wasn't a hurricane that
they were unprepared for or something. It was we are
making this situation what it is, which is a lawless
mess and really a seller out of the American people
and American sovereignty, no doubt. And now this is one

(37:04):
thing we're going to keep pointing out. Congress does need
to act because we need to take away the presidential
authority that Biden took advantage of to allow the southern
border to be wide open again. So in order to
ensure hopefully that this doesn't happen again, Congress needs to

(37:25):
take in action. And this is part of the big
beautiful bill that hopefully would restrict the president's ability to
act under executive authority. But this is where Trump not
only has kept his promises, but he was accurate. He said,
all we have to do, and we'll talk about this
with Tom Homan tomorrow, all we have to do is
re implement the policies that we put in place last time,

(37:48):
and the southern border will cease being wide open for
the entire world. Trump did it. Thirty days boom, southern
border is shut. And in fact, based on these numbers,
I think there's a good chance that there are fewer
illegal immigrants in the country at all during the Trump
administration now than there was before. That is, we're not

(38:11):
allowing in a massive amount of illegals, and we're also
now sending violent illegals out. This may be the first
month since Joe Biden came into office where the number
of illegal immigrants in the United States has actually declined,
even if it's not as fast as people would want,
the positive trend lines have flipped. I think that this

(38:33):
is also part of a reorientation of the thinking of
the majority of the American people, Like I can't speak
to the insane, you know, I can't speak to the
people who are like, we need to change the law
for inseminated person instead of mom like we're never gonna
you can't. You can't fix that, Okay, But for we're

(38:55):
at solid majority issues here. Sixty percent of the American
people approve of the deeper quortations that Trump is doing
six zero sixty percent. And I think if they knew
more details about who these people are and what's really
been going on, the number would be more like seventy
seventy five percent. Uh. And that now you're just getting
to the hardcore open borders left, right, twenty twenty five

(39:15):
percent of the country is nuts. We can't do anything
about that. But really, twenty percent of any country is
going to be kind of a little bit nutty on politics.
I think that's fair to say. And you know, I
think there's a just a contingent of any society's going
to be kind of crazy. But here's the thing, Clay,
They're changing our perception of what is possible. Yes, you know,

(39:36):
yes Trump has this win. But if Trump is doing this,
future administrations as well will have to contend with the
fact that if all of a sudden the border gets
kicked wide open again, they can't play the oh, we're overwhelmed.
We just need more We just need more immigration judges.
We just need more border patrol to welcome people into
the country who have come here illegally. Right, that's changed

(40:00):
the same way that does. And the budget stuff and
the government waste, fraud and abuse cutting is changing our
perception of whether we can actually tackle government spending, government growth. Right,
you can't fix this all at once, but when you
can do something about it, you then have the proof
that you can do more going forward. So I think

(40:21):
there's a mentality shift here that Trump is created so
much of success in life. And I don't want to
hop on my ted talk here, but is belief that
you can achieve success what is actually possible in all
facets of life? And I do think what Elon Musk
has expanded, I would say this is maybe his biggest

(40:44):
achievement in general as a capitalist. Buck. A lot of
people thought he was crazy when he said, Hey, I'm
going to do electric vehicles. A lot of people thought
he was crazy when he said, Hey, I'm going to
send rocket ships to space better than NASA does it.
A lot of people thought he was crazy when he
bought Twitter, when he started XAI, and so far, all

(41:06):
of these decisions that he has made appear to be working,
not only working, but occurring incredible in terms of their
ability to alter expectation and projection of what is even
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the White House Press Secretary is crushing Lib's dreams and
taking souls over at the West Wig a lot of
fun to watch, making them very sad, very sad, indeed,
probably the saddest they've ever been. Some people are saying
beautiful sadness from all the live journals and a few

(43:01):
things we mentioned the White House Correspondent Association. No, you
know what, let's let's dive into this one first. We've
got a few very newsworthy This is just breaking now.
To be clear, she just was saying this recently. We
wanted to bring this to highlights from the press conference
in the West wind Clay and I are going to
go out there and we're going to go hang with

(43:22):
our favorite people in the Trump White House and Pentagon
and other places sometime in the next couple of months.
So we're planning that. I do have a child coming,
so that is a thing that I have to be
aware of in terms of our planning and scheduling. That's
what we're trying to rush around and plan around. What
the tax day is the do date right in theory? Whoa, whoa?
I mean, no, the day after tax Day? Okay, it

(43:44):
could come a little bit earlier than that. You know,
you don't know they got read fifteenth ish is the
baby's projected arrival? Yeah, April sixteenth, Yeah, that's the one.
Is tax day this fifteenth?

Speaker 4 (43:56):
This year?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Sometimes it's a little later, isn't it. Okay, well it's
the fifteenth. Another day that America. You know that Rohnda
Santis is thinking about removing all property taxes in Florida.
He's trying to get this done, which would be amazing.
I don't know how we'd make room for all the
people that will want to move to this place. And
your game Tennessee yeah, it would be amazing. I mean,
my property taxes are pretty low, but any taxes being

(44:18):
removed I would be very happy to be a part of.
So we'll get into taxes and where they're going, as
in the federal bureaucracy and the bureaucrats who don't seem
to do very much as part of this Carolon Levitt
press conference. But first let's dive into this the I
think that the Democrat media for a long time has
actually been more important than the Democrat politicians. I think

(44:42):
that the Democrat media has been calling the shots much
more so and have been able to give a tremendous
amount of lift in the polls, lift an election time
to their side. That's changing. They are on the decline
and conservative MAGA and right wing media are all on

(45:04):
the ascent. And now it's not just in terms of
numbers and viewership that's been true for a long time now,
it's also in some of these structures of I guess
what we'd have to call journalism. And Caroline Levin, who's
the White House Press Secretary, announced this. Clay mentioned it
before the top of this hour that the White House
Corresponds Association will not control who can gain access play

(45:27):
twenty four.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
As you all know, for decades, a group of DC
based journalists, the White House Correspondence Association, has long dictated
which journalists get to ask questions of the President of
the United States in these most intimate spaces. Not anymore.
I am proud to announce that we are going to
give the power back to the people who read your papers,

(45:48):
who watch your television shows, and who listen to your
radio stations. Moving forward, the White House Press Pool will
be determined by the White House Press Team. Legacy outlets
who have participated in the press pool for decades will
still be allowed to join, fear not, but we will
also be offering the privilege to well deserving outlets who

(46:08):
have never been allowed to share in this awesome responsibility.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So smart, the hierarchy is being changed. Why shouldn't it, Clay,
I love it well. Audience changed in a big way.
We have on this radio program more people who are
consuming us every day than almost any show in the country.
We talked about this earlier. When Meghan Kelly ran through

(46:36):
the twenty five to fifty four year old age viewing
audience for joy Read, she had fifty nine thousand people
we have fifty nine thousand of you listening in some
individual cities right now. So the millions of people that
we are fortunate enough to talk to every single day,

(46:57):
we don't have somebody at the White House asking questions
on a day to day basis, but a lot of
news organizations that have a pinprick of our overall audience do,
And so I think as the media environment evolves, it's
actually incredibly necessary that the people who are asking questions

(47:19):
have an audience worthy of being being able to ask questions. Right.
I mean, to me, this is the essence of you
don't have an unlimited number of seats. You've been in
that White House press briefing room. It's actually very small.
It looks bigger on television, but the number of people
I don't know. Can you fit one hundred people in there?
Probably not seventy fives. It's a small room, relatively speaking.

(47:44):
And so when you have a limited access point to
something that a lot of people would have demand for,
it seems rational to me Buck to look at the
size of individual audiences of these news organizations and making
a decision about how you reach the largest possible audience
with your message that seems imminently rational to me. She

(48:05):
spoke also about something that's getting a lot of attention
from US and across the country, which is the Elon
I should say now second email opportunity for federal workers
to write five bullet points of what they had gotten
done last week. This was this whole concept that was
made famous when Elon wrote the CEO of Twitter in

(48:29):
response to some like nonsense email what have you gotten
done this week? And that that ceo was not long
for Twitter when he did not have a good answer
when Elon took over, because Twitter had become essentially a
social justice organization that was just losing money hand over
fist right, Twitter had become a very poorly run and

(48:49):
very poorly operated entity unless the goal was to suppress
conservative speech elevate liberal idiots. And you know that's what
they were doing, right, and you know, no more dead
naming and use preferred pronouns. That's what Twitter became. And
now Elon has freed it from those shackles of lunacy.
But for federal government employees, Clay, this is going to

(49:12):
be interesting because a lot of them have not responded.
Caroline Levitt spoke about this, This is cut twenty five.
This is in response to the second Elon email. He says,
if you don't respond to this one, you're actually gonna
get fired. Here's what White House Press Secretary Levitt says,
Play one.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
All the Office of Personnel Management is asking. All this
administration is asking. President Trump is asking is for federal
workers who live off of the American taxpayer's dime to
send five bullet points of what they have done in
the previous week.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
That is all we are asking for.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
And so the Office of Personnel and Management sent out
additional guidance last night. Those responses should be directed to
agency leadership, and the President defers to his cabinet secretaries,
who he's obviously entrusted to pursue the guidance relative to
their specific workforce. And for some of the agents that
you've seen who have said, please don't send these emails,
it's in their best interest for that specific agency, and

(50:05):
the President supports that. And let me be very clear,
the President and Elon is his entire cabinet are working
as one unified team, and they are implementing these very
common sense solutions.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
What's unfair about this, Clay, You've run your own company
and you've had employees. Would you be okay with people
getting an email from you like, hey, what have you
done this week? And they're like, I don't have to
respond to you, sir, No, I would fire them. And
I actually think that having a job at a place
as a privilege and that your job. When you work

(50:38):
at a place that is designed to make money, you
should be thinking at every moment of every day, how
do I make my boss more money? How do I
make the company more money? That's your job. This is
not a charity. There are plenty of charities out there.
I encourage all of you to donate to them to
do great things. The purpose of any business is to

(51:00):
make money, and if you're not aiding and a betting that,
then you should be fired. In my opinion, I think
a big part of this that Elon has figured out
is that a lot of these people who are cashing
government checks aren't even willing to check their email because
they're working from home. They aren't doing anything. Some of
them may have side gigs, side hustles where they're doing

(51:23):
other things. When they claim to be being paid by
the taxpayer. We're funding this. Why should the gouver Why
should we we're paying all of these people's salaries, why
should we not expect a high quality of work in
exchange for our taxpayer dollars. I don't know about you, Buck,
I would much rather figure out how to invest my

(51:46):
own money and pay a lot lower tax rate. I
think I could create a lot more jobs all these things.
But if I'm having to pay the rate that I am,
nearly forty percent, I want to know that the people
that I am paying feor are doing a bare minimum
to justify their salaries. Well, they see. That's I think
what you the second thing you said there is really

(52:08):
the framework that we're working within. You said a moment ago,
I think we can expect high quality work. We should
be able to. But what we're looking at My standard
is if I'm paying for you, I should get high
quality work, right you're but see that's the private sector mentality.
That's like startup running a company mentality. What Elon is
dealing with is what is the second thing you said,

(52:29):
which is can can we expect you to do anything?
I am telling you this is the truth. There are
a lot because I saw it myself, there are a
lot of people within the federal government who don't do anything.
They show up, they sit at a computer, They go
on a thirty minute coffee break. They sit back at
their computers, they read the New York Times. They then

(52:49):
go hang out in the break room for another, you know,
forty five minutes. They sit down, they see if there's
any emails. They then go for a walk outside. I mean,
and I don't mean they're like I knew one guy.
This is common in a lot of these places. There
are people if you were in a an office, imagine
what these people are doing from home, right right, Let's

(53:11):
we at least had to show up when we're That's
what I'm saying, Like, at least you had to put
forth the effort to pretend. A lot of these guys
are eating Cheetos and watching Netflix while they're claiming that
they're doing taxpayer jobs. Well, I bet a lot of
people and this will be tight if there were if
they were reasonably smart about their con I bet there
are a lot of federal employees who were working off

(53:32):
books somewhere. Think about this, You get to you get
to have your job working remote at the Department of
Commerce or Agriculture or whatever. Uh you know, think of
an even less important agency, and you get to keep
you get to get your federal salary, and maybe you
can go and you can take a shift as a
as a bartender, or you could go. You know, you
start to double dip. I mean this is you have

(53:53):
a side hustle, That's what I'm saying. Like you're an
uber driver, right, I mean you're like, hey, you know what,
I'm gonna do something else. Well, what I'm saying is,
if you're smart, you're doing it in cash, because if
they find out that you're doing this on company. The
one thing that this they always told me this in
the CIA, cre true across the federal government. The one
thing that will nail you as time and attendance fraud.
Now that's a lot harder when you work from home, right,

(54:16):
But if you have to be in a facility for
your job and you're out somewhere else doing something else,
that is you can be turned. They don't want to
come in to the office anymore, right, because it makes
it easier to track what's going on. Right, And this
is for all these different agencies. So but look at
the pushback on this, and look at the and I

(54:37):
will tell you to my point about the twenty percent
in my CIA office. In the Iraq office, people were
staying till two three o'clock in the morning. People are
coming back from their you know, fifth deployment overseas to
a war zone. Like, there are people doing real stuff
in some of these places. I want to be very
clear about that. There are people that you know, people
I had friends who got very grievously wounded. I mean,
you know, this is real stuff, okay, But there are

(55:00):
a lot of people at these agencies aren't doing squat
and that's where you really got to figure out what's
going on. I don't have an objection to work from
home if you are incredibly productive, if you are able
to do a lot of what you're doing, and a
lot of people are working from home and doing a
great job. Now you have to go out for meetings,
all these different stuff, like you just stay at home.

(55:20):
But the idea that it's the default that basically everybody
gets to work from home is no way you can
run a business, and I don't think it's any way
you can run a government. Look, we told you yesterday
great news out of Israel. Over the weekend, six hostages returned.
And when I was in Israel. Last December, our partner,
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that's why I was so elated that his son was
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But many other families, unfortunately, aren't going to get to
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