March 3, 2023 • 46 mins
Rogan O'Handley is a former Hollywood entertainment lawyer turned conservative commentator and political influencer. Follow him on Instagram @dc_draino.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton
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Show Deep Dive session with the asked for, the greatly
anticipated Rogan o'hanley, best known to many of you as
DC drain No. He is DC Draino on Twitter, on Instagram,
on all the places where he shares his memes, his commentary,
and his fighting for America. Rogan, which I have to
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remember to call you because you'd not actually call you
DC Drado, but Rogan, you call me Draino. That's fine, Draino.
That's cool. Good to see you, man. How are you.
How's everything going. I'm doing well. I've got my Florida
Man shirt on to honor the great land that we
live in. But thank you for having me on, brother,
Thank you. Well, you know I'm I'm a Florida transplant
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as well, and I just look like a guy who
threw on a T shirt after waking up from a nap,
which I also feel like is very Florida in its
own way. There was a great meme. It's a what's
something that's classy if you're rich, but trashy if you're
or and the guy goes Florida. I saw that. Are
you a wide range are you active on on You know,
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there's whole many, so many things you saw, you saw
Trump recently. I want to ask you about that. You know,
how is the Trump camp doing right now? What do
you think about twenty twenty four? Do you are you
sure Biden, for example, is going to run. We've got
these Palestine to discuss a whole whole range of things
that I want to get to you today with you.
But uh, TikTok, you know, they they're moving closer and
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closer it seems to actually banning it. Are you active
on TikTok? Are are you an anti TikTok guy? Because
you know you've built this massive presence millions of people
on Instagram and other platforms. What do you think about TikTok?
So when TikTok first came out, I jumped all over it.
I quickly felt very uncomfortable and far too old for TikTok,
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and uh, it was tough to relay my type of content,
which is very anti Deep State to such a young,
specifically young audience. You know, on Instagram you get such
a wide range, but especially in people in their thirties
and forties. For TikTok, it was tough. So I got
like two hundred thousand followers on there, but then I
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kept getting censored and it was the most censored platform
out of all of them, which is saying something, and
so I gave up. I didn't post for like two years,
and I just deleted it right around the Chinese spy
balloon incident because I was like, how am I gonna,
you know, talk about the surveillance balloon while I still
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have the surveillance app on my phone? So I am,
you know, completely off TikTok. And I guess, why do
they even need the balloons if everyone's you're carrying around
the surveillance balloon in your hand. At least that's what
they're telling us, that's what that's what TikTok actually is.
I'd say I like to watch TikTok sometimes just because
if you're into quick recipes, grulling meat, home made knives
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and tools, but particularly there's a lot of blade smiths
on TikTok, like there's cool content on there. Unfortunately there
has nothing to do with China, the Chinese Communist Party,
but apparently it's carrying around a spy balloon in your hand,
which is probably not a good thing. Yeah, I mean
it's a very addictive platform. I used to you know,
look at it a fair amount. I really haven't looked
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at that much in the last couple of years. But
I am actually very pro banning TikTok. For one, it
will get rid of a you know, Chinese spy platform
in the United States. And two, all those people are
going to disperse across other platforms where you and I
are far more prominent and where we enjoy those platforms more.
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And so I think it actually helps the other platforms.
I wouldn't be surprised if the people leading the charge
against it are Facebook, Google, you know, a Snapchat, etc.
Because they're such ah TikTok is definitely beating all the
other platforms. You know, Snapchat for a little while was
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the kind of young, you know, the next generation platform
that was really scaring Facebook and all that. But I
think Snapchat has really has really fallen off. Also, this
whole idea that people have of like, oh, you can
take a photo or whatever incentive somebody and it disappears forever. No,
it's actually not how the Internet works. So you know,
this is you know, I think when people realized that
some of the Snapchat features weren't really what they thought
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they were. But beyond that, now it's TikTok. I mean
TikTok from what I can see from the data. And
you know, Josh Holly was on our radio show recently
talking about how he wants to ban social media for
kids under sixteen. I mean, the more I look at this,
the more I feel like, yeah, I actually believe. I
don't think the twelve year old should be on social media.
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Why why would you want to be on social media
as a twelve year old? You know why? You wouldn't
want unregulated discourse, meaning just like you're twelve year olds,
you know, interacting with other twelve vers. You know, you
want parent parental supervision around them, right, I mean, you
know you don't have kids yet. I don't have kids,
you know what I mean. So so this notion that
you should have not even just kids, but the global
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Internet when you're twelve, eleven, ten, thirteen, fourteen, I think
I totally get it. Man. I think Josh Holly's I
think he's right. Even if it's not a government mandate thing,
we can get it. Whether government should be mandating it
or not. I don't think people should be letting their
kids have social media at such a young age, just
based on what we all know it can do. Yeah,
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I think as more science comes out about what it
does to it, especially developing brain, I don't think adults
should have access to social media on some days. Uh
you know it. I mean even you know you or me.
I'm a pretty strong minded person, but I mean I'll
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come across some stuff I'm like, what did I just watch?
I mean, it will it will drastically affect my mood.
But you know, for kids to not only be subjected
to these types of images and videos and graphics, and
then to also deal with the social ramifications of doing
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something in high school that was maybe embarrassing and just
having this kind of group harassment campaign. I mean, look
at harassment campaigns on Twitter, right, I mean obviously that's
happening in high schools, and you know, kids kill themselves
over this stuff. So I'm actually open to a band
uh maybe not sixteen, maybe fourteen and under or something
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to maybe fifteen. I don't know. I think it's absolutely
something that should be debated and there should be some
limitation at a minimum. Well, I mean also, and I
know this is part of another another thread to the
discussion too, but they often talk about how for for
young girls it creates this completely unrealistic body image issue.
And you know, there're some there's some really horrifying statistics
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about how many young young women across the country have
considered self harm um in the in the last year,
and and there's a lot of psychological durests for young
girls that as they measure this, as it's self reported,
it has been getting worse and worse. I also think
that for a lot of young men, and not even
that young, but you know, guys up into their their teenagers,
for example, they can also have I mean, the short
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way of putting this is that these guys that they're
seeing who are who are like you know, these these
physical specimens, the amount of steroid use, you know, tremblone, hgh,
you know, TRT, all this stuff that goes into creating
a lot of these uh, these persona accounts and social
media like you know, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old guys
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and and guys honestly a lot old in that too
need to know this stuff isn't real, folks, or at
least there's there's a component to the reality that they're
not aware of. That I think can create real distortions.
And I mean, do you do see this too? There're
a whole accounts wh people are talking about how they
use steroids just just for aesthetics. Yeah, no, one hundred percent.
I mean people accused me of using steroids because I'm
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so jacked, and it's you know, constant rumors I have
to dispel. Um. I know it is you and liver King,
and liver King's already gotten got so you better watch out. Rogan.
I know, I I'm completely kidding, but um yeah, some
people are only listening to other people. So just to
your case for the podcast people, he was doing his
bicep thing like Popeye. And while Rogan is a is
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a is a hard throb for the lady who's off
the market now Mary like yours truly, I don't think
the wedding ring, I don't think. I don't think anybody
believes either of us are taking steroids anyway, keep going,
um and and so yeah, I mean there's there's clearly
you know, toxic lifestyles uh that are portrayed there. And
you know, again, I'm not opposed to education and learning
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about things, uh, but I I think I remember there
were was it Steve Jobs or other Silicon Valley big
wigs who basically said they would never allow their kids
on social media until they're full grown adults. And it's like,
what do they know that we don't know? You know,
these things are designed to be addictive, um, and we're
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learning that not only social media, but things like porn
and other things. They really do change your your dopamine, uh,
you know system, basically your your reward system, and it
leads you down to depressing paths um and just just
a bad, unhealthy lifestyle. So uh, like I said, I
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do think there needs to be an absolute limitation for
younger kids. Um. And uh you know I I I
think TikTok should be banned, uh, just just by virtue
of the fact that China is our greatest national threat.
And you know, it's very clear that their TikTok algorithms
over there are designed to make their kids like fit
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and you know, aggressive and assertive and leaders. And the
TikTok platform here is designed to promote all the woke
ideologies and to ban and sense are all conservative ideologies.
So you're just getting a funnel system of the future
of America being steered by a foreign communist countries algorithm,
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and for that alone, I think it should be banned. Yeah,
I'm a person who often tells people that I think
it's really instructive to read. You know, the KGB archives were.
If we're uncovered after the fall of the Wall, the
Metroken archives, people will refer to it as and you
can see the active measures and the different clandestine operations
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of Russian intelligence against the United States in a whole
range of ways, much more pervasive than people learn in school.
Much broader penetrations by the Communist Party of the United
States where very real. The Red Scare was actually fear
mongering in the wrong direction, as in telling people that
it wasn't really happening. I mean, for God's sakes, they
stole our nuclear technology. I mean, you know, the most
sensitive stuff was targeted about the Soviets. If they could
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have convinced all of our children in our homes that
they were one of thirty eight genders or whatever and
that masculinity was toxic, the Soviets would have had a
field day with it. I mean they would have They
would have absolutely loved what. Now, obviously the Chinese Communist
Party is able to do as our near peer competitor.
I want to get back to the censorship point through
in a second, so I wonder how that's affected you.
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For example, you know, you're prolific on Instagram. You've got
over two million Instagram followers, which is huge, and you know,
and you're not a bikini model, so it means that
you actually have to do content that people are interested
in beyond just look at me. I'm really not that
you're not. You know, I'm sure you know the ladies,
as I said, but you're doing a lot of content
that a lot of people are seeing. I want to
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know what kind of censorship you're actually coming up against.
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two T dot org. All right, So, Rogan, are you
seeing so elon buys Twitter? Are you seeing a change?
First of all, what do you think of how Twitter's
coming along at this point? And have the other platforms
gotten a little bit less sensor crazy or are they
still doing the same kind of stuff? D Dad, And
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you're getting strikes, you're getting shadow banned all that. It's
a good question. So First off, I just got my
Twitter back after being banned for two years, So congratulations,
by the way, welcome back, thank you. And you know,
I've currently got a lawsuit. I'm represented by Harmat Dylan
and we had our hearing in the Ninth Circuit Court
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of Appeals three months ago. So any day now we
could wake up and there is a major ruling that
could impact all of us because all big tech cases
go through the Ninth Circuit. So we're not optimistic necessarily
because the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals is a little
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bit leftist, not as leftist as it used to be,
thank you to President Trump, but still leftists. And so
then it's onto the Supreme Court after that. But you know,
it ties in with the Twitter files. It was the
state of California that requested that I'd be censored, and
then I was banned for discussing election irregularities. I don't
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know what platform this will be played on, but I'll
you know, people can fill in the blanks there. And yeah,
so we had the smoking gun emails. We caught them.
Thus far, my experience back on Twitter has been great,
better than when I left off. It is a breath
of fresh air. To have so much freedom of speech
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being on Instagram. Instagram is very highly censored. They have
the fact checkers, PolitiFact lead stories. There's there's at least
ten other Associated Press. I got fact checked when there
were Chinese tank rolling down a street in front of
their bank when people couldn't withdraw the money. I got
fact checked when I posted that the next day by
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the Associated Press saying they talked with an employee nearby
who said that it was a military training exercise, nothing
to do with and it was written by like a
Chinese author, and you know, based in Beijing or wherever.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, the Chinese are censoring us.
You're getting fined Qinua State News agency over there. Yeah,
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there's no one that works for in any type of
Chinese enterprise or Chinese office satellite office of a company
that isn't a government agent. So of course it plit
a fact. I said, you know, Joe Biden is a
child predator, and they fact checked that, saying that there's
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no evidence of any crimes he's committed against children. I
mean the lengths that they go to to protect the
regime is in and so no, I have not noticed
a decrease in the censorship on other platforms. However, I
am optimistic that as Elon leads the way, we're starting
to see copycat moves by these other big tech platforms.
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Two moves in particular, one firing a bunch of people.
Elon was the first one to do it, and they
all followed suit. And now Facebook and Instagram are going
to allow you to buy a blue check, which I
personally do not have this by having over two million followers,
and it'll include customer service priority in the explore feature.
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So that's something they followed Elon's lead on. So I'm
curious what else, Maybe the open source algorithm that Elon
is promising, maybe showing why you are suspended, or showing
whether or not you have any shadow band applicable to
your account. Maybe they'll copy that stuff. So I do
thank Elon overall. I mean, I have been saying this
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to people for a while that only in social media
it has it been somehow deemed And we know why
because it's such a huge advantage for the left, and
it's really the social media companies are certainly have a
lot more money and are more powerful than any of
the legacy media companies. And it's not even closed, right.
I mean, Google is arguably there what the three three wealthiest,
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three most powerful countries companies, rather it could be a
country on the planet, and you add some of the
others in there as well. I mean that the amount
of money that they have and the amount of reach
they have is truly is truly mind blowing. But even
beyond that, there's no other business where you know, for example,
with your credit card company, they couldn't be like, hey, sorry,
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we turned you over to collections and you're like, well, why,
Like what do I owe you? They're like, sorry, how
much do I owe you? We can't tell you. All
you know is you've been turned over to collections in
your card is shut down, right, I mean, you wouldn't
accept that. That's been happening to people in social media
for years now. You get, you get, you get demolitized,
you get, you know, and there's no explanation. They don't care.
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They just say sorry, we've decided, and that's it. Yeah,
I wish they said sorry. They say nothing. You just
can't even sign in. No one responds to your emails,
and that's it, and it's it's it's wrong, and it
will be illegal at some point, because if you spend
years and hundreds of thousands of dollars building up a
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following or a business, and uh, it just gets taken
out from you one day because of some arbitrary fact
checker or some arbitrary application of their community guidelines, which
are so broadly written that literally anything can be illegal
if it's just a form of fraud. It's just fraud.
I mean, you're taking from people under false pretenses. It
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is um. I am again highly optimistic that my lawsuit
will change things across the country. A I'm represented by
the best civil rights attorney in the country, harmyat Dylan.
We have seen in the Twitter files that the government
is so directly intertwined with the censorship apparatus that it's
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indistinguishable between big tech. I mean, so many of the
ex agents work there and the coordination just exposing the
Twitter files and that's just a tip of the iceberg.
That's just Twitter. Imagine what's going on at Facebook, which
is a much bigger company and more users, and especially Google,
so tip of the iceberg. And the problem is there's
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no recourse against this. Obviously Section to thirty protects them,
but even my case, which was a First Amendment violation
because the government said, hey's literally censored DC drain now
and we have the email, and the judge, the federal
judge in the Northern District of California, still said Nope,
not enough to prove government collusion. I'm like, what is
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going on here? You know, I feel like I'm in
the So the big tech is the most powerful force
in nature on planet Earth. I would say, if you
if you can silence the sitting president of the United States,
what is more powerful than that? Only God? In my opinion, Well,
you know, I wonder if you'd agree with this that
the an argument I've made from the beginning of the
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pandemic is that the pandemic restrictions and everything that happened
was only possible because everybody was carrying around these state
collusion propaganda machines in their hands all the time or
you know, on their screens computers, smart TVs, etc. Like,
the only way you could convince people that we haven't
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lost our minds as a society when there are little places,
little foot pads on the sidewalk in New York City
outside to show people how far apart to stand in
line before they go indoors to a grocery store where
they're going to be just shoulder to shoulder. If the
only way you could convince people that that's not insane
is if you have a propaganda apparatus that include social
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media twenty four to seven enforcement of the narrative, right,
like you wouldn't just newspapers wouldn't have been enough. At
least that's my thesis, Like just just the newspapers, I
wouldn't have done it. I completely agree, And you know,
but for every measure, there's a countermeasure. And it was
also a place for people like you and me and
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others to say, hey, this is crazy, right, And you know,
I had a lot of people mentioned that because you
feel they want you to feel isolated. They obviously were
censoring so many people Harvard stand for doctors, anyone that
questioned the narrative. But I've had people remark you know,
I knew it was crazy, but thanks to you know,
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your posts and just these comments sections everything, I didn't
feel alone because it's like, oh okay, because remember we
were all isolated in our houses. For the most part.
People are too scared to travel, so they shut us
down from bars schools. Everybody shot us down so we
couldn't talk to each other and say, hey, this is
all crazy, right, and then they distract you online. But
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I think one very interesting effect of all this is
the explosion of Florida into a deep red state of
which you are now a resident. And I think it
is a very interesting phenomenon overall. I mean, I've certainly
never seen anything. Because I want to talk to you
more about that. Let's talk about the Florida, the Florida phenomenon,
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on the Florida Revolution. And you know, there are two
very important Republican politicians who call Florida home, and one
of them our former president you had dinner with recently.
You talked to him just a couple of weeks ago.
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start with Trump Dinner. I'm assuming you're what mar Lago
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out on the patio, folks are gathered around. You're there
with the one and only forty five. What can you
tell us? It was incredible. I'm still kind of processing that,
you know, I was even invited to that. It's kind
of funny. If you've ever been to marrow Lago, it's
absolutely beautiful. You're basically it's a usable museum. It's you know,
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one of the biggest houses in America, so lavish, gold
plated everything. It was owned by the Post family, who
was believed to be the richest woman in the world
at the time. The Post you know, cereal heiress and
Trump is actually really funny. So it's a social club.
So you know, you'd pay a huge fee and you
get to go there and have dinners and you know
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the pools and the events. Trump DJ's with his iPad
almost every night that he's there. He's out there grabbing dinner.
He's got a cordoned off table amongst you know, ten
or fifteen other tables, and it's a great menu, great food.
But he'll he'll sit there while he's drinking his diet Coogan,
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eat his dinner with an iPad propped up, and he'll
just pick different songs. And so while we're at dinner,
he's like, Hey, you gotta hear this song by Elvis.
So you like this song, You like Elvis, you like,
listen to this song. It just and he DJ's the
whole time. He's like, oh my gosh, Pavarotti. Let me
tell you about Pavarotti. And then he'll play Pavarotti while
telling about this time that he, you know, hired him
to sing at some event in New York City. And
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he let me just say that Trump is in top form.
He is well rested, he is very spirited, he's he's
laughing a lot. He's sharp as attack. He knows. I
think his policy videos have been very impressive adapting to
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the current times with what we're facing. He's not just
replaying the twenty sixteen glory days. He's adapting to what's
going on now. He's anti ESG, he's anti woke, he's
really fighting for free speech on the internet. He's um,
you know, protecting parents' rights in schools, and you know,
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so he's he's he's modernized his campaign, and he is.
You know. That was kind of my biggest thing. I
was like, how sharp is this guy? You know, I
know he's get a little older this he's on top
of it. He's seems fifteen twenty years younger than Biden
is currently, which I know isn't saying much because Biden
is practically drooling. But it was an incredible dinner. We
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talked about literally everything. We're there for like three hours.
I've never drank more diet coke in my life, but
I was like, hey, if you're with diner has one, Yeah,
sure of course, Yeah, you're a drinking diet coke rogan
um draino. Yeah. Ken Trump win twenty twenty four, So
I don't think anyone can win twenty twenty four without
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fixing election fraud. I am slightly optimistic that we have
fixed enough states where if they don't have a catastrophic pandemic,
World War three cyber attack, that we can overwhelm the fraud,
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that we don't have this mass mail in ballot situation.
I think we can overwhelm the fraud. But overall, I
do think Trump has the best chance to do that.
I think the primaries done and done. You know, I
love to Santis. I am a huge, huge fan of
de Santis, but he's gonna be splitting Trump's leftovers with
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at least five or six maybe more other candidates, and
that's just gonna be really hard to beat Trump's you know,
forty to fifty locked in percentum. So I do think
he can absolutely win. He got more votes in than
any other Republican in twenty twenty. We all know what happened.
But I'm I'm highly I want him, and then I
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want to say us for eight years after that, I
just want to I want to say, um, I appreciate
it doesn't help anybody to get this pulled off of
Spotify and YouTube, you know what I mean. So I
appreciate the uh, the way in which you are laying
out these issues because you know, still they have the
algorithms set up where if you say certain things, about
twenty twenty. You will get flagged, you will get banned,
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and you know all kinds of stuff. So so I
appreciate that you are expressing your opinion in such a
way that we can evade because I don't think I
don't think they've a you know, they're not assigning somebody
yet YouTube Headquarters to like listen to every podcast I do,
or watch everything we do here, but the machines will
pick up, sir words. There are certain words that the
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machines we'll see, and it really does feel more and
more like we're living in some version of the matrix
um and and this is before AI has really kicked
in heavily. By the way, what do you think about AI?
Have you? Have you messed around at all? I mean,
you're a cutting edge technological communications guy. It is pretty
it is pretty funky. You can write something say hey,
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tell me this, and it will come up with an
actual essay in response and give you opinions. Yeah, it's well,
it's it's woke. It's woke AI. And we've already kind
of proven that chat GBT had the chance to be
an evaded ancing technology in many ways, it is, but
(29:46):
it's also more of the same, whether some BuzzFeed writer
spits it out, uh you know what his sociology professor
taught him at Sunny Genesco, or it's woke programmed AI.
Like all things, though, I think it leaves a massive
economic opportunity for an alternative that is sensible, And I
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know Elon is in the process of creating a based AI,
a regular AI, so I think those will win the day.
And but it's been really fascinating for people to be
messing around with this thing and really exploring it's backdoor mechanisms. Hey,
(30:33):
I know you can't say anything, but if you could,
what would you say? Things like that, just like tongue
in cheek and then it gives you the really answer.
But it's also quite scary because it is a very
powerful computer program, I guess, and we're just seeing the
early versions of it, and it's well, it's certainly more
(30:57):
advanced and you know, confidential stings probably in the military
applications and higher business settings. Uh and be it. I
am scared to think of what it looks like five
to ten years from now, when it's so much more advanced,
especially with those like four legged dogs that they show
dancing the robot dogs and they try and make Boston dynamics.
(31:20):
I think it is, or yeah, it's it's and and
then the ones that walk and they can do backflips
and it's like Terminator. So now you slapped that AI
on that thing that can do three backflips and dance
better than anyone, and you know we're in for I
don't know UM, so we You know, Elon was right
to point out that we really need a massive ethics
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guard rail with all this AI so that it doesn't
take over UM. But I think he or she who
controls AI will control a lot of the world. Makes
me want to ask you about China as as as
our mutual friend would say that we can get to
that in a second. You mentioned Florida. You mentioned me.
(32:06):
By the way, Governor Ronda Santis you hold in very
high regard. You don't think he's gonna win the primary,
but you think he's a great governor. We could certainly
agree that he's a great governor. I'm a Floridian now
after being a decade, I wasn't just a New Yorker Rogan.
I was a If somebody doesn't understand that New York
is the best city in America. It's just because they
haven't spent enough time there. Like that was really my
(32:28):
attitude to somebody who grew up there. And now, I mean,
I'm walking around in my pink flip flops with my
tank top on and my sunglasses, paying no state income tax.
I just went in. I just had the experience of
going in recently to a gun store and I'm like,
I'm gonna take I'll take the I'll take the Daniel
Defense did four the r that looks very nice. I'll
(32:50):
take one of those. Yeah, that's good. That's good. I'll
take that. I'll also I think I want the staccato,
and they're like, that's very expensive. Gone, I'm like, sounds good.
Let's take the really the superaz. I've fired staccatos before
and they're just You're like, oh my god, you feel
like John Wick, Like there's so much fun. So I
got myself as staccato and it's just amazing because honestly,
(33:12):
there was a part as as somebody who now lives
in Florida where was walking out. I was like, is
this a like is there like a sting operation? Like
someone waiting for you in New York? The notion you
just walk in. Obviously I had to go through the
waiting period ever, but you know, I came back after
five days. The notion you just walk in without a
permit process, without interviews and fingerprinting and all this stuff,
and get yourself a you know, a world class rifle
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and pistol and not worry that like the NYPDS can
arrest you with the second you walk out of the store.
I mean, that's just one example for me of just
it's amazing how much better life is in so many
ways in these Red states now. It really does make
a difference. It really is different. Welcome to America. I
went through the same process. I came here from California
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and my r at the time could only hold ten rounds.
And you couldn't even just push the button to drop
the magazine. You had to stick a pin in a
little hole to push it. It was like the workaround.
It couldn't have like a detached magazine. I mean, And
I got it fixed out here, and I've got you know,
many more guns, the Florida versions, which are you know,
(34:19):
real guns. It's amazing. M The good thing about Floria too,
is if you have your carry concealed permit. You can
just walk out of the store with the gun. You
don't have to wait. And we're getting rid of the
carry concealed permit. We're gonna be a constitutional ferry state.
Yeah soon. Um. And we got some work to do
(34:40):
on our two way stuff. We've really led the country
on the culture war. But we have read flag laws.
They enacted those after Parkland, and you know, to my knowledge,
they have not really been utilized. But we got to
get rid of those. Um. And I think we should
also be an open carry state. I think, you know,
(35:01):
there's a few other things that we can do, but
Florida is I think it's fascinating how many prominent conservatives
have moved here. I feel like that we all know,
no matter what happens, who's in the White House, who
takes over Florida will will always be free. There's a
snowball's chance in hell of any Democrat winning this state,
(35:23):
especially if they're in line with the current platform of
the Democrat Party, which is Marxist. And we have such
a deep bench of talent. I mean, think about even
if we didn't have round to Santas, we got Matt Gates,
we got Byron Donalds, we got Greg Stubie, we got
Anna Paulina Luna. And that's just the people that are
currently elected, never mind the deep bench of political talent.
(35:49):
Charlie kirklifs here, you live here, I live here, Bennie Johnson,
Dan Bongino, and Coulter Tucker, Carlson, Sean Hannity half the
year with Tucker. So you've pretty much been Shapiro, You've
pretty much got oh Seth Dillon. I know I can
sit Down'm like keep going, Carol Margohitz is down here,
(36:09):
Dave Ruben is down here. Like there's all of these,
all these you use it or keep going and going.
By the way, it is the greatest concentration of right
wing media talent in one state ever. Yes, and I
would say that we are the strongest and densest Republican
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stronghold on planet Earth. I think we are where if
if freedom dies in Florida, it dies everywhere. And so
I am hoping and I firmly believe, you know, as
scary as AI is, we are building such a powerful
(36:50):
media ecosystem with independent journalism. I mean, think of how
far we've come just in two or three years, never
mind five or six year I mean I didn't even
have an account five or six years ago, and now
I've got what over four million combined. And look at
the growth that Charlie kirkis had, Dan Bongino has had,
Candice Owens, all these names have literally hundreds of millions
(37:17):
of followers that just didn't exist five years ago. And Rumble,
you know, is a massive growing platform. You know, all
these podcasts are exploding in popularity, Daily Wires turning into
basically a mainstream media conglomerate with a conservative perspective. You know,
(37:43):
Jordan Peterson is selling out arenas to talk about I mean,
we are really this. This is a very pivotal moment
in a very historic moment in American history, where there
is a true, peaceful conservative revolution rising up to take
back this country. Because the entire world is at stake.
(38:05):
I mean, what we're facing here in America's impacting the
whole world, and I frankly think a lot of it
comes from the WEF Why hasn't Biden gone to East Palestine,
Rogan because he when it comes down to it, he
hates the American people. He doesn't even like Democrats. Biden
(38:29):
is a sock puppet for a criminal Again. We're on
these platforms for a criminal cartel that is looting the
US treasury, laundering it overseas eighty five billion, and weapons
for the Taliban one hundred billion to Ukraine. We've got
(38:53):
an open border flooding the country with people who are
not American and who did not do not grow up
with our heritage and our culture and our education system
and our understanding of our freedoms. They want to dilute
the American vote. They want to give these people voting rights.
(39:16):
And what they did in Afghanistan, where they disgraced what
our military fought for for so many years and people
gave their lives for what he did when he let
that Chinese spy balloon fly over the country undisturbed. What
he did when he brought back the w NBA player
but not the US marine. These are all intentional acts.
(39:38):
When he checked his watch during the funeral, the procession
for the soldiers coming home from Afghanistan, these are all
intentional acts. He's not visiting Ohio on purpose. He is
trying to demoralize the United States because when it comes
down to it, this is the third term for Obama,
and Obama was doing this in his last term. He
(39:59):
was at the at the funeral the five Dallas cops
killed by a BLM radical. He demonized cops in his eulogy.
It is an intentional They hate America. That's the whole
woke movement. America's this racist country that doesn't deserve our respect.
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And these people that rose up and supported Trump, this
this uprising, they need to be put back in their place.
They need to be demoralized, crushed, and stuffed back into
complacency so that the criminal cartel in DC can continue
to loot and destroy this great country. Do you think
(40:44):
we're gaining ground right now in the culture war and
key areas? I mean one place where I've seen a
lot of action you mentioned in Delhi Wire before, you know,
Matt Walsh did that great movie What Is a Woman?
And I've seen now a number of states and acting legislation,
including my h my friend governor State of Oklahoma getting
(41:07):
rid of gender transition surgery for miners. You know, I
want to know you're feeling on this, because on the
one hand, it feels like, Okay, we're starting at We're
getting some momentum in some important areas, and the others
it feels like, oh my god, we're really at this point.
You know. You see some of the stuff on libs
of TikTok, for example, that that Hia is showing everybody
(41:30):
that the libs are doing. And on the on the
one hand, yeah, people need to see this, they didn't
know about it, but also, I mean, good god, Rogan,
you see some of the stuff they're doing at these
family friendly drag shows or whatever they got they got,
you know, middle aged men gyrating their butts in the
faces of small children. They've got like thongs on. It's
like it's appalling. And this is where we're fighting. So
(41:54):
are we winning or are we defending on our own
five yard line? Well, the crazy thing is those those
things are already illegal. There's just a lack of integrity
with enforcing you know, indecency in front of children. Thankfully,
in Florida, you know, we are taking a much stronger stance.
There was a one of those drag shows at in
Orlando bar and to Santa has revoked their liquor license
(42:17):
after so they'll be out of business soon and that
that sends a message to all the other establishments and
they're not going to rest losing their entire business to
push awoke, you know, exploitation of children. Are we winning yes?
Does it feel like it not? Always we are. There
(42:39):
is more momentum on Second Amendment rights, on restoring election integrity,
on awakening parents to what this Marxist movement has been
trying to do to our children. As aggressive and insane
as the left has gotten, it has a counter reaction
(43:02):
amongst people. Nature finds a balance, and as they push
harder to the left, more and more people are waking
up on the right and in the middle. I've personally
seen a material shift in Elon Musk and Joe Rogan's
political opinions. I think they both used to be pretty
(43:25):
middle of the road people, and then California treated them
so badly they both got pushed out, and now they're
I wouldn't say they're necessarily necessarily conservatives, but what is
even a conservative at this point? A common sense, regular
independent American that doesn't think a naked man dressed as
a woman should dance in front of children. I mean,
(43:46):
the left has gone so far left that just regular
prior center left people are considered conservatives at this point.
So this is unsustainable long term, and it kind of
feels like the movement trying to destroy a country is
(44:06):
in a little bit of a death rattle, that they're
losing their grip on power and their ability to deceive people,
especially with more and more free speech coming out on
social media, that they're just going all out and those
types of regimes just simply don't last. So as painful
(44:27):
as this is at times, the big picture is that
we are the white blood cells of humanity are coming
to vanquish this, this evil movement. Frankly, I think it's demonic,
and so I think people. I think there is a
(44:47):
you know, a bit of an awakening in this country,
and then we'll have to save the rest of the
world after Well, Rogan, you're certainly doing your part. Everybody
should go check out DC Drain on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,
follow the accounts he puts out there. One thing that
you do, it's so important, is is obviously fighting on
(45:08):
the right messages and and pushing the principles. It's funny,
you're right, it's not even conservative and just decent and
American and true. That's if you're If you're a decent,
truth abiding American, it feels like you're a conservative these days,
even if people don't even identify that way, but what
you do, I think is is so important. And also
(45:31):
the mockery of the left, This is always, It's true
of all tyrants. The thing that cannot abide is mockery
the thing and you know this better than most Rogan
the thing that you know. When the DC Dreano account
posts something that hits too too close to home, it
burns them, man, and it is great. It upsets those
those lunatic Marxist demons, and that's a good thing for everybody,
(45:53):
everybody in the country and actually for them too, because
maybe they'll actually decide that they're going to abandon the
lunacy that they have adopted. Brogan. Great to be with you, man,
Thank you so much for having well, definitely want to
have you back as the elections going on, so I
hope you come back and hang out with us and
at school that you're getting a chat with me and
obviously Clay and Buck audience learning more about your work
through it. So DC drone, everybody, stay in the fight,
(46:15):
my friend, Thanks for making the time. Thank you for
having me. Buck, keep it up, brother God Bus
Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton
(00:02):
Show Deep Dive session with the asked for, the greatly
anticipated Rogan o'hanley, best known to many of you as
DC drain No. He is DC Draino on Twitter, on Instagram,
on all the places where he shares his memes, his commentary,
and his fighting for America. Rogan, which I have to
(00:25):
remember to call you because you'd not actually call you
DC Drado, but Rogan, you call me Draino. That's fine, Draino.
That's cool. Good to see you, man. How are you.
How's everything going. I'm doing well. I've got my Florida
Man shirt on to honor the great land that we
live in. But thank you for having me on, brother,
Thank you. Well, you know I'm I'm a Florida transplant
(00:45):
as well, and I just look like a guy who
threw on a T shirt after waking up from a nap,
which I also feel like is very Florida in its
own way. There was a great meme. It's a what's
something that's classy if you're rich, but trashy if you're
or and the guy goes Florida. I saw that. Are
you a wide range are you active on on You know,
(01:08):
there's whole many, so many things you saw, you saw
Trump recently. I want to ask you about that. You know,
how is the Trump camp doing right now? What do
you think about twenty twenty four? Do you are you
sure Biden, for example, is going to run. We've got
these Palestine to discuss a whole whole range of things
that I want to get to you today with you.
But uh, TikTok, you know, they they're moving closer and
(01:32):
closer it seems to actually banning it. Are you active
on TikTok? Are are you an anti TikTok guy? Because
you know you've built this massive presence millions of people
on Instagram and other platforms. What do you think about TikTok?
So when TikTok first came out, I jumped all over it.
I quickly felt very uncomfortable and far too old for TikTok,
(01:54):
and uh, it was tough to relay my type of content,
which is very anti Deep State to such a young,
specifically young audience. You know, on Instagram you get such
a wide range, but especially in people in their thirties
and forties. For TikTok, it was tough. So I got
like two hundred thousand followers on there, but then I
(02:18):
kept getting censored and it was the most censored platform
out of all of them, which is saying something, and
so I gave up. I didn't post for like two years,
and I just deleted it right around the Chinese spy
balloon incident because I was like, how am I gonna,
you know, talk about the surveillance balloon while I still
(02:38):
have the surveillance app on my phone? So I am,
you know, completely off TikTok. And I guess, why do
they even need the balloons if everyone's you're carrying around
the surveillance balloon in your hand. At least that's what
they're telling us, that's what that's what TikTok actually is.
I'd say I like to watch TikTok sometimes just because
if you're into quick recipes, grulling meat, home made knives
(03:02):
and tools, but particularly there's a lot of blade smiths
on TikTok, like there's cool content on there. Unfortunately there
has nothing to do with China, the Chinese Communist Party,
but apparently it's carrying around a spy balloon in your hand,
which is probably not a good thing. Yeah, I mean
it's a very addictive platform. I used to you know,
look at it a fair amount. I really haven't looked
(03:23):
at that much in the last couple of years. But
I am actually very pro banning TikTok. For one, it
will get rid of a you know, Chinese spy platform
in the United States. And two, all those people are
going to disperse across other platforms where you and I
are far more prominent and where we enjoy those platforms more.
(03:47):
And so I think it actually helps the other platforms.
I wouldn't be surprised if the people leading the charge
against it are Facebook, Google, you know, a Snapchat, etc.
Because they're such ah TikTok is definitely beating all the
other platforms. You know, Snapchat for a little while was
(04:09):
the kind of young, you know, the next generation platform
that was really scaring Facebook and all that. But I
think Snapchat has really has really fallen off. Also, this
whole idea that people have of like, oh, you can
take a photo or whatever incentive somebody and it disappears forever. No,
it's actually not how the Internet works. So you know,
this is you know, I think when people realized that
some of the Snapchat features weren't really what they thought
(04:31):
they were. But beyond that, now it's TikTok. I mean
TikTok from what I can see from the data. And
you know, Josh Holly was on our radio show recently
talking about how he wants to ban social media for
kids under sixteen. I mean, the more I look at this,
the more I feel like, yeah, I actually believe. I
don't think the twelve year old should be on social media.
(04:52):
Why why would you want to be on social media
as a twelve year old? You know why? You wouldn't
want unregulated discourse, meaning just like you're twelve year olds,
you know, interacting with other twelve vers. You know, you
want parent parental supervision around them, right, I mean, you
know you don't have kids yet. I don't have kids,
you know what I mean. So so this notion that
you should have not even just kids, but the global
(05:14):
Internet when you're twelve, eleven, ten, thirteen, fourteen, I think
I totally get it. Man. I think Josh Holly's I
think he's right. Even if it's not a government mandate thing,
we can get it. Whether government should be mandating it
or not. I don't think people should be letting their
kids have social media at such a young age, just
based on what we all know it can do. Yeah,
(05:34):
I think as more science comes out about what it
does to it, especially developing brain, I don't think adults
should have access to social media on some days. Uh
you know it. I mean even you know you or me.
I'm a pretty strong minded person, but I mean I'll
(05:54):
come across some stuff I'm like, what did I just watch?
I mean, it will it will drastically affect my mood.
But you know, for kids to not only be subjected
to these types of images and videos and graphics, and
then to also deal with the social ramifications of doing
(06:19):
something in high school that was maybe embarrassing and just
having this kind of group harassment campaign. I mean, look
at harassment campaigns on Twitter, right, I mean obviously that's
happening in high schools, and you know, kids kill themselves
over this stuff. So I'm actually open to a band
uh maybe not sixteen, maybe fourteen and under or something
(06:40):
to maybe fifteen. I don't know. I think it's absolutely
something that should be debated and there should be some
limitation at a minimum. Well, I mean also, and I
know this is part of another another thread to the
discussion too, but they often talk about how for for
young girls it creates this completely unrealistic body image issue.
And you know, there're some there's some really horrifying statistics
(07:03):
about how many young young women across the country have
considered self harm um in the in the last year,
and and there's a lot of psychological durests for young
girls that as they measure this, as it's self reported,
it has been getting worse and worse. I also think
that for a lot of young men, and not even
that young, but you know, guys up into their their teenagers,
for example, they can also have I mean, the short
(07:26):
way of putting this is that these guys that they're
seeing who are who are like you know, these these
physical specimens, the amount of steroid use, you know, tremblone, hgh,
you know, TRT, all this stuff that goes into creating
a lot of these uh, these persona accounts and social
media like you know, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old guys
(07:48):
and and guys honestly a lot old in that too
need to know this stuff isn't real, folks, or at
least there's there's a component to the reality that they're
not aware of. That I think can create real distortions.
And I mean, do you do see this too? There're
a whole accounts wh people are talking about how they
use steroids just just for aesthetics. Yeah, no, one hundred percent.
I mean people accused me of using steroids because I'm
(08:10):
so jacked, and it's you know, constant rumors I have
to dispel. Um. I know it is you and liver King,
and liver King's already gotten got so you better watch out. Rogan.
I know, I I'm completely kidding, but um yeah, some
people are only listening to other people. So just to
your case for the podcast people, he was doing his
bicep thing like Popeye. And while Rogan is a is
(08:33):
a is a hard throb for the lady who's off
the market now Mary like yours truly, I don't think
the wedding ring, I don't think. I don't think anybody
believes either of us are taking steroids anyway, keep going,
um and and so yeah, I mean there's there's clearly
you know, toxic lifestyles uh that are portrayed there. And
you know, again, I'm not opposed to education and learning
(08:58):
about things, uh, but I I think I remember there
were was it Steve Jobs or other Silicon Valley big
wigs who basically said they would never allow their kids
on social media until they're full grown adults. And it's like,
what do they know that we don't know? You know,
these things are designed to be addictive, um, and we're
(09:21):
learning that not only social media, but things like porn
and other things. They really do change your your dopamine, uh,
you know system, basically your your reward system, and it
leads you down to depressing paths um and just just
a bad, unhealthy lifestyle. So uh, like I said, I
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do think there needs to be an absolute limitation for
younger kids. Um. And uh you know I I I
think TikTok should be banned, uh, just just by virtue
of the fact that China is our greatest national threat.
And you know, it's very clear that their TikTok algorithms
over there are designed to make their kids like fit
(10:07):
and you know, aggressive and assertive and leaders. And the
TikTok platform here is designed to promote all the woke
ideologies and to ban and sense are all conservative ideologies.
So you're just getting a funnel system of the future
of America being steered by a foreign communist countries algorithm,
(10:29):
and for that alone, I think it should be banned. Yeah,
I'm a person who often tells people that I think
it's really instructive to read. You know, the KGB archives were.
If we're uncovered after the fall of the Wall, the
Metroken archives, people will refer to it as and you
can see the active measures and the different clandestine operations
(10:50):
of Russian intelligence against the United States in a whole
range of ways, much more pervasive than people learn in school.
Much broader penetrations by the Communist Party of the United
States where very real. The Red Scare was actually fear
mongering in the wrong direction, as in telling people that
it wasn't really happening. I mean, for God's sakes, they
stole our nuclear technology. I mean, you know, the most
sensitive stuff was targeted about the Soviets. If they could
(11:13):
have convinced all of our children in our homes that
they were one of thirty eight genders or whatever and
that masculinity was toxic, the Soviets would have had a
field day with it. I mean they would have They
would have absolutely loved what. Now, obviously the Chinese Communist
Party is able to do as our near peer competitor.
I want to get back to the censorship point through
in a second, so I wonder how that's affected you.
(11:34):
For example, you know, you're prolific on Instagram. You've got
over two million Instagram followers, which is huge, and you know,
and you're not a bikini model, so it means that
you actually have to do content that people are interested
in beyond just look at me. I'm really not that
you're not. You know, I'm sure you know the ladies,
as I said, but you're doing a lot of content
that a lot of people are seeing. I want to
(11:54):
know what kind of censorship you're actually coming up against.
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seeing so elon buys Twitter? Are you seeing a change?
First of all, what do you think of how Twitter's
coming along at this point? And have the other platforms
gotten a little bit less sensor crazy or are they
still doing the same kind of stuff? D Dad, And
(13:20):
you're getting strikes, you're getting shadow banned all that. It's
a good question. So First off, I just got my
Twitter back after being banned for two years, So congratulations,
by the way, welcome back, thank you. And you know,
I've currently got a lawsuit. I'm represented by Harmat Dylan
and we had our hearing in the Ninth Circuit Court
(13:44):
of Appeals three months ago. So any day now we
could wake up and there is a major ruling that
could impact all of us because all big tech cases
go through the Ninth Circuit. So we're not optimistic necessarily
because the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals is a little
(14:04):
bit leftist, not as leftist as it used to be,
thank you to President Trump, but still leftists. And so
then it's onto the Supreme Court after that. But you know,
it ties in with the Twitter files. It was the
state of California that requested that I'd be censored, and
then I was banned for discussing election irregularities. I don't
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know what platform this will be played on, but I'll
you know, people can fill in the blanks there. And yeah,
so we had the smoking gun emails. We caught them.
Thus far, my experience back on Twitter has been great,
better than when I left off. It is a breath
of fresh air. To have so much freedom of speech
(14:46):
being on Instagram. Instagram is very highly censored. They have
the fact checkers, PolitiFact lead stories. There's there's at least
ten other Associated Press. I got fact checked when there
were Chinese tank rolling down a street in front of
their bank when people couldn't withdraw the money. I got
fact checked when I posted that the next day by
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the Associated Press saying they talked with an employee nearby
who said that it was a military training exercise, nothing
to do with and it was written by like a
Chinese author, and you know, based in Beijing or wherever.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, the Chinese are censoring us.
You're getting fined Qinua State News agency over there. Yeah,
(15:31):
there's no one that works for in any type of
Chinese enterprise or Chinese office satellite office of a company
that isn't a government agent. So of course it plit
a fact. I said, you know, Joe Biden is a
child predator, and they fact checked that, saying that there's
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no evidence of any crimes he's committed against children. I
mean the lengths that they go to to protect the
regime is in and so no, I have not noticed
a decrease in the censorship on other platforms. However, I
am optimistic that as Elon leads the way, we're starting
to see copycat moves by these other big tech platforms.
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Two moves in particular, one firing a bunch of people.
Elon was the first one to do it, and they
all followed suit. And now Facebook and Instagram are going
to allow you to buy a blue check, which I
personally do not have this by having over two million followers,
and it'll include customer service priority in the explore feature.
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So that's something they followed Elon's lead on. So I'm
curious what else, Maybe the open source algorithm that Elon
is promising, maybe showing why you are suspended, or showing
whether or not you have any shadow band applicable to
your account. Maybe they'll copy that stuff. So I do
thank Elon overall. I mean, I have been saying this
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to people for a while that only in social media
it has it been somehow deemed And we know why
because it's such a huge advantage for the left, and
it's really the social media companies are certainly have a
lot more money and are more powerful than any of
the legacy media companies. And it's not even closed, right.
I mean, Google is arguably there what the three three wealthiest,
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three most powerful countries companies, rather it could be a
country on the planet, and you add some of the
others in there as well. I mean that the amount
of money that they have and the amount of reach
they have is truly is truly mind blowing. But even
beyond that, there's no other business where you know, for example,
with your credit card company, they couldn't be like, hey, sorry,
(17:41):
we turned you over to collections and you're like, well, why,
Like what do I owe you? They're like, sorry, how
much do I owe you? We can't tell you. All
you know is you've been turned over to collections in
your card is shut down, right, I mean, you wouldn't
accept that. That's been happening to people in social media
for years now. You get, you get, you get demolitized,
you get, you know, and there's no explanation. They don't care.
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They just say sorry, we've decided, and that's it. Yeah,
I wish they said sorry. They say nothing. You just
can't even sign in. No one responds to your emails,
and that's it, and it's it's it's wrong, and it
will be illegal at some point, because if you spend
years and hundreds of thousands of dollars building up a
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following or a business, and uh, it just gets taken
out from you one day because of some arbitrary fact
checker or some arbitrary application of their community guidelines, which
are so broadly written that literally anything can be illegal
if it's just a form of fraud. It's just fraud.
I mean, you're taking from people under false pretenses. It
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is um. I am again highly optimistic that my lawsuit
will change things across the country. A I'm represented by
the best civil rights attorney in the country, harmyat Dylan.
We have seen in the Twitter files that the government
is so directly intertwined with the censorship apparatus that it's
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indistinguishable between big tech. I mean, so many of the
ex agents work there and the coordination just exposing the
Twitter files and that's just a tip of the iceberg.
That's just Twitter. Imagine what's going on at Facebook, which
is a much bigger company and more users, and especially Google,
so tip of the iceberg. And the problem is there's
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no recourse against this. Obviously Section to thirty protects them,
but even my case, which was a First Amendment violation
because the government said, hey's literally censored DC drain now
and we have the email, and the judge, the federal
judge in the Northern District of California, still said Nope,
not enough to prove government collusion. I'm like, what is
(19:52):
going on here? You know, I feel like I'm in
the So the big tech is the most powerful force
in nature on planet Earth. I would say, if you
if you can silence the sitting president of the United States,
what is more powerful than that? Only God? In my opinion, Well,
you know, I wonder if you'd agree with this that
the an argument I've made from the beginning of the
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pandemic is that the pandemic restrictions and everything that happened
was only possible because everybody was carrying around these state
collusion propaganda machines in their hands all the time or
you know, on their screens computers, smart TVs, etc. Like,
the only way you could convince people that we haven't
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lost our minds as a society when there are little places,
little foot pads on the sidewalk in New York City
outside to show people how far apart to stand in
line before they go indoors to a grocery store where
they're going to be just shoulder to shoulder. If the
only way you could convince people that that's not insane
is if you have a propaganda apparatus that include social
(20:58):
media twenty four to seven enforcement of the narrative, right,
like you wouldn't just newspapers wouldn't have been enough. At
least that's my thesis, Like just just the newspapers, I
wouldn't have done it. I completely agree, And you know,
but for every measure, there's a countermeasure. And it was
also a place for people like you and me and
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others to say, hey, this is crazy, right, And you know,
I had a lot of people mentioned that because you
feel they want you to feel isolated. They obviously were
censoring so many people Harvard stand for doctors, anyone that
questioned the narrative. But I've had people remark you know,
I knew it was crazy, but thanks to you know,
(21:41):
your posts and just these comments sections everything, I didn't
feel alone because it's like, oh okay, because remember we
were all isolated in our houses. For the most part.
People are too scared to travel, so they shut us
down from bars schools. Everybody shot us down so we
couldn't talk to each other and say, hey, this is
all crazy, right, and then they distract you online. But
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I think one very interesting effect of all this is
the explosion of Florida into a deep red state of
which you are now a resident. And I think it
is a very interesting phenomenon overall. I mean, I've certainly
never seen anything. Because I want to talk to you
more about that. Let's talk about the Florida, the Florida phenomenon,
(22:24):
on the Florida Revolution. And you know, there are two
very important Republican politicians who call Florida home, and one
of them our former president you had dinner with recently.
You talked to him just a couple of weeks ago.
I want to ask you about that too. We're here
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start with Trump Dinner. I'm assuming you're what mar Lago
(24:12):
out on the patio, folks are gathered around. You're there
with the one and only forty five. What can you
tell us? It was incredible. I'm still kind of processing that,
you know, I was even invited to that. It's kind
of funny. If you've ever been to marrow Lago, it's
absolutely beautiful. You're basically it's a usable museum. It's you know,
(24:37):
one of the biggest houses in America, so lavish, gold
plated everything. It was owned by the Post family, who
was believed to be the richest woman in the world
at the time. The Post you know, cereal heiress and
Trump is actually really funny. So it's a social club.
So you know, you'd pay a huge fee and you
get to go there and have dinners and you know
(24:58):
the pools and the events. Trump DJ's with his iPad
almost every night that he's there. He's out there grabbing dinner.
He's got a cordoned off table amongst you know, ten
or fifteen other tables, and it's a great menu, great food.
But he'll he'll sit there while he's drinking his diet Coogan,
(25:18):
eat his dinner with an iPad propped up, and he'll
just pick different songs. And so while we're at dinner,
he's like, Hey, you gotta hear this song by Elvis.
So you like this song, You like Elvis, you like,
listen to this song. It just and he DJ's the
whole time. He's like, oh my gosh, Pavarotti. Let me
tell you about Pavarotti. And then he'll play Pavarotti while
telling about this time that he, you know, hired him
to sing at some event in New York City. And
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he let me just say that Trump is in top form.
He is well rested, he is very spirited, he's he's
laughing a lot. He's sharp as attack. He knows. I
think his policy videos have been very impressive adapting to
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the current times with what we're facing. He's not just
replaying the twenty sixteen glory days. He's adapting to what's
going on now. He's anti ESG, he's anti woke, he's
really fighting for free speech on the internet. He's um,
you know, protecting parents' rights in schools, and you know,
(26:24):
so he's he's he's modernized his campaign, and he is.
You know. That was kind of my biggest thing. I
was like, how sharp is this guy? You know, I
know he's get a little older this he's on top
of it. He's seems fifteen twenty years younger than Biden
is currently, which I know isn't saying much because Biden
is practically drooling. But it was an incredible dinner. We
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talked about literally everything. We're there for like three hours.
I've never drank more diet coke in my life, but
I was like, hey, if you're with diner has one, Yeah,
sure of course, Yeah, you're a drinking diet coke rogan
um draino. Yeah. Ken Trump win twenty twenty four, So
I don't think anyone can win twenty twenty four without
(27:09):
fixing election fraud. I am slightly optimistic that we have
fixed enough states where if they don't have a catastrophic pandemic,
World War three cyber attack, that we can overwhelm the fraud,
(27:30):
that we don't have this mass mail in ballot situation.
I think we can overwhelm the fraud. But overall, I
do think Trump has the best chance to do that.
I think the primaries done and done. You know, I
love to Santis. I am a huge, huge fan of
de Santis, but he's gonna be splitting Trump's leftovers with
(27:55):
at least five or six maybe more other candidates, and
that's just gonna be really hard to beat Trump's you know,
forty to fifty locked in percentum. So I do think
he can absolutely win. He got more votes in than
any other Republican in twenty twenty. We all know what happened.
But I'm I'm highly I want him, and then I
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want to say us for eight years after that, I
just want to I want to say, um, I appreciate
it doesn't help anybody to get this pulled off of
Spotify and YouTube, you know what I mean. So I
appreciate the uh, the way in which you are laying
out these issues because you know, still they have the
algorithms set up where if you say certain things, about
twenty twenty. You will get flagged, you will get banned,
(28:42):
and you know all kinds of stuff. So so I
appreciate that you are expressing your opinion in such a
way that we can evade because I don't think I
don't think they've a you know, they're not assigning somebody
yet YouTube Headquarters to like listen to every podcast I do,
or watch everything we do here, but the machines will
pick up, sir words. There are certain words that the
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machines we'll see, and it really does feel more and
more like we're living in some version of the matrix
um and and this is before AI has really kicked
in heavily. By the way, what do you think about AI?
Have you? Have you messed around at all? I mean,
you're a cutting edge technological communications guy. It is pretty
it is pretty funky. You can write something say hey,
(29:23):
tell me this, and it will come up with an
actual essay in response and give you opinions. Yeah, it's well,
it's it's woke. It's woke AI. And we've already kind
of proven that chat GBT had the chance to be
an evaded ancing technology in many ways, it is, but
(29:46):
it's also more of the same, whether some BuzzFeed writer
spits it out, uh you know what his sociology professor
taught him at Sunny Genesco, or it's woke programmed AI.
Like all things, though, I think it leaves a massive
economic opportunity for an alternative that is sensible, And I
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know Elon is in the process of creating a based AI,
a regular AI, so I think those will win the day.
And but it's been really fascinating for people to be
messing around with this thing and really exploring it's backdoor mechanisms. Hey,
(30:33):
I know you can't say anything, but if you could,
what would you say? Things like that, just like tongue
in cheek and then it gives you the really answer.
But it's also quite scary because it is a very
powerful computer program, I guess, and we're just seeing the
early versions of it, and it's well, it's certainly more
(30:57):
advanced and you know, confidential stings probably in the military
applications and higher business settings. Uh and be it. I
am scared to think of what it looks like five
to ten years from now, when it's so much more advanced,
especially with those like four legged dogs that they show
dancing the robot dogs and they try and make Boston dynamics.
(31:20):
I think it is, or yeah, it's it's and and
then the ones that walk and they can do backflips
and it's like Terminator. So now you slapped that AI
on that thing that can do three backflips and dance
better than anyone, and you know we're in for I
don't know UM, so we You know, Elon was right
to point out that we really need a massive ethics
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guard rail with all this AI so that it doesn't
take over UM. But I think he or she who
controls AI will control a lot of the world. Makes
me want to ask you about China as as as
our mutual friend would say that we can get to
that in a second. You mentioned Florida. You mentioned me.
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By the way, Governor Ronda Santis you hold in very
high regard. You don't think he's gonna win the primary,
but you think he's a great governor. We could certainly
agree that he's a great governor. I'm a Floridian now
after being a decade, I wasn't just a New Yorker Rogan.
I was a If somebody doesn't understand that New York
is the best city in America. It's just because they
haven't spent enough time there. Like that was really my
(32:28):
attitude to somebody who grew up there. And now, I mean,
I'm walking around in my pink flip flops with my
tank top on and my sunglasses, paying no state income tax.
I just went in. I just had the experience of
going in recently to a gun store and I'm like,
I'm gonna take I'll take the I'll take the Daniel
Defense did four the r that looks very nice. I'll
(32:50):
take one of those. Yeah, that's good. That's good. I'll
take that. I'll also I think I want the staccato,
and they're like, that's very expensive. Gone, I'm like, sounds good.
Let's take the really the superaz. I've fired staccatos before
and they're just You're like, oh my god, you feel
like John Wick, Like there's so much fun. So I
got myself as staccato and it's just amazing because honestly,
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there was a part as as somebody who now lives
in Florida where was walking out. I was like, is
this a like is there like a sting operation? Like
someone waiting for you in New York? The notion you
just walk in. Obviously I had to go through the
waiting period ever, but you know, I came back after
five days. The notion you just walk in without a
permit process, without interviews and fingerprinting and all this stuff,
and get yourself a you know, a world class rifle
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and pistol and not worry that like the NYPDS can
arrest you with the second you walk out of the store.
I mean, that's just one example for me of just
it's amazing how much better life is in so many
ways in these Red states now. It really does make
a difference. It really is different. Welcome to America. I
went through the same process. I came here from California
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and my r at the time could only hold ten rounds.
And you couldn't even just push the button to drop
the magazine. You had to stick a pin in a
little hole to push it. It was like the workaround.
It couldn't have like a detached magazine. I mean, And
I got it fixed out here, and I've got you know,
many more guns, the Florida versions, which are you know,
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real guns. It's amazing. M The good thing about Floria too,
is if you have your carry concealed permit. You can
just walk out of the store with the gun. You
don't have to wait. And we're getting rid of the
carry concealed permit. We're gonna be a constitutional ferry state.
Yeah soon. Um. And we got some work to do
(34:40):
on our two way stuff. We've really led the country
on the culture war. But we have read flag laws.
They enacted those after Parkland, and you know, to my knowledge,
they have not really been utilized. But we got to
get rid of those. Um. And I think we should
also be an open carry state. I think, you know,
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there's a few other things that we can do, but
Florida is I think it's fascinating how many prominent conservatives
have moved here. I feel like that we all know,
no matter what happens, who's in the White House, who
takes over Florida will will always be free. There's a
snowball's chance in hell of any Democrat winning this state,
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especially if they're in line with the current platform of
the Democrat Party, which is Marxist. And we have such
a deep bench of talent. I mean, think about even
if we didn't have round to Santas, we got Matt Gates,
we got Byron Donalds, we got Greg Stubie, we got
Anna Paulina Luna. And that's just the people that are
currently elected, never mind the deep bench of political talent.
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Charlie kirklifs here, you live here, I live here, Bennie Johnson,
Dan Bongino, and Coulter Tucker, Carlson, Sean Hannity half the
year with Tucker. So you've pretty much been Shapiro, You've
pretty much got oh Seth Dillon. I know I can
sit Down'm like keep going, Carol Margohitz is down here,
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Dave Ruben is down here. Like there's all of these,
all these you use it or keep going and going.
By the way, it is the greatest concentration of right
wing media talent in one state ever. Yes, and I
would say that we are the strongest and densest Republican
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stronghold on planet Earth. I think we are where if
if freedom dies in Florida, it dies everywhere. And so
I am hoping and I firmly believe, you know, as
scary as AI is, we are building such a powerful
(36:50):
media ecosystem with independent journalism. I mean, think of how
far we've come just in two or three years, never
mind five or six year I mean I didn't even
have an account five or six years ago, and now
I've got what over four million combined. And look at
the growth that Charlie kirkis had, Dan Bongino has had,
Candice Owens, all these names have literally hundreds of millions
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of followers that just didn't exist five years ago. And Rumble,
you know, is a massive growing platform. You know, all
these podcasts are exploding in popularity, Daily Wires turning into
basically a mainstream media conglomerate with a conservative perspective. You know,
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Jordan Peterson is selling out arenas to talk about I mean,
we are really this. This is a very pivotal moment
in a very historic moment in American history, where there
is a true, peaceful conservative revolution rising up to take
back this country. Because the entire world is at stake.
(38:05):
I mean, what we're facing here in America's impacting the
whole world, and I frankly think a lot of it
comes from the WEF Why hasn't Biden gone to East Palestine,
Rogan because he when it comes down to it, he
hates the American people. He doesn't even like Democrats. Biden
(38:29):
is a sock puppet for a criminal Again. We're on
these platforms for a criminal cartel that is looting the
US treasury, laundering it overseas eighty five billion, and weapons
for the Taliban one hundred billion to Ukraine. We've got
(38:53):
an open border flooding the country with people who are
not American and who did not do not grow up
with our heritage and our culture and our education system
and our understanding of our freedoms. They want to dilute
the American vote. They want to give these people voting rights.
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And what they did in Afghanistan, where they disgraced what
our military fought for for so many years and people
gave their lives for what he did when he let
that Chinese spy balloon fly over the country undisturbed. What
he did when he brought back the w NBA player
but not the US marine. These are all intentional acts.
(39:38):
When he checked his watch during the funeral, the procession
for the soldiers coming home from Afghanistan, these are all
intentional acts. He's not visiting Ohio on purpose. He is
trying to demoralize the United States because when it comes
down to it, this is the third term for Obama,
and Obama was doing this in his last term. He
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was at the at the funeral the five Dallas cops
killed by a BLM radical. He demonized cops in his eulogy.
It is an intentional They hate America. That's the whole
woke movement. America's this racist country that doesn't deserve our respect.
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And these people that rose up and supported Trump, this
this uprising, they need to be put back in their place.
They need to be demoralized, crushed, and stuffed back into
complacency so that the criminal cartel in DC can continue
to loot and destroy this great country. Do you think
(40:44):
we're gaining ground right now in the culture war and
key areas? I mean one place where I've seen a
lot of action you mentioned in Delhi Wire before, you know,
Matt Walsh did that great movie What Is a Woman?
And I've seen now a number of states and acting legislation,
including my h my friend governor State of Oklahoma getting
(41:07):
rid of gender transition surgery for miners. You know, I
want to know you're feeling on this, because on the
one hand, it feels like, Okay, we're starting at We're
getting some momentum in some important areas, and the others
it feels like, oh my god, we're really at this point.
You know. You see some of the stuff on libs
of TikTok, for example, that that Hia is showing everybody
(41:30):
that the libs are doing. And on the on the
one hand, yeah, people need to see this, they didn't
know about it, but also, I mean, good god, Rogan,
you see some of the stuff they're doing at these
family friendly drag shows or whatever they got they got,
you know, middle aged men gyrating their butts in the
faces of small children. They've got like thongs on. It's
like it's appalling. And this is where we're fighting. So
(41:54):
are we winning or are we defending on our own
five yard line? Well, the crazy thing is those those
things are already illegal. There's just a lack of integrity
with enforcing you know, indecency in front of children. Thankfully,
in Florida, you know, we are taking a much stronger stance.
There was a one of those drag shows at in
Orlando bar and to Santa has revoked their liquor license
(42:17):
after so they'll be out of business soon and that
that sends a message to all the other establishments and
they're not going to rest losing their entire business to
push awoke, you know, exploitation of children. Are we winning yes?
Does it feel like it not? Always we are. There
(42:39):
is more momentum on Second Amendment rights, on restoring election integrity,
on awakening parents to what this Marxist movement has been
trying to do to our children. As aggressive and insane
as the left has gotten, it has a counter reaction
(43:02):
amongst people. Nature finds a balance, and as they push
harder to the left, more and more people are waking
up on the right and in the middle. I've personally
seen a material shift in Elon Musk and Joe Rogan's
political opinions. I think they both used to be pretty
(43:25):
middle of the road people, and then California treated them
so badly they both got pushed out, and now they're
I wouldn't say they're necessarily necessarily conservatives, but what is
even a conservative at this point? A common sense, regular
independent American that doesn't think a naked man dressed as
a woman should dance in front of children. I mean,
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the left has gone so far left that just regular
prior center left people are considered conservatives at this point.
So this is unsustainable long term, and it kind of
feels like the movement trying to destroy a country is
(44:06):
in a little bit of a death rattle, that they're
losing their grip on power and their ability to deceive people,
especially with more and more free speech coming out on
social media, that they're just going all out and those
types of regimes just simply don't last. So as painful
(44:27):
as this is at times, the big picture is that
we are the white blood cells of humanity are coming
to vanquish this, this evil movement. Frankly, I think it's demonic,
and so I think people. I think there is a
(44:47):
you know, a bit of an awakening in this country,
and then we'll have to save the rest of the
world after Well, Rogan, you're certainly doing your part. Everybody
should go check out DC Drain on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,
follow the accounts he puts out there. One thing that
you do, it's so important, is is obviously fighting on
(45:08):
the right messages and and pushing the principles. It's funny,
you're right, it's not even conservative and just decent and
American and true. That's if you're If you're a decent,
truth abiding American, it feels like you're a conservative these days,
even if people don't even identify that way, but what
you do, I think is is so important. And also
(45:31):
the mockery of the left, This is always, It's true
of all tyrants. The thing that cannot abide is mockery
the thing and you know this better than most Rogan
the thing that you know. When the DC Dreano account
posts something that hits too too close to home, it
burns them, man, and it is great. It upsets those
those lunatic Marxist demons, and that's a good thing for everybody,
(45:53):
everybody in the country and actually for them too, because
maybe they'll actually decide that they're going to abandon the
lunacy that they have adopted. Brogan. Great to be with you, man,
Thank you so much for having well, definitely want to
have you back as the elections going on, so I
hope you come back and hang out with us and
at school that you're getting a chat with me and
obviously Clay and Buck audience learning more about your work
through it. So DC drone, everybody, stay in the fight,
(46:15):
my friend, Thanks for making the time. Thank you for
having me. Buck, keep it up, brother God Bus
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