April 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with a discussion on the current state of the markets and the possibility of a rate cut by the Federal Reserve, highlighting Trump's impatience with Jerome Powell. The hosts then delve into the major news of the day—the passing of Pope Francis. They explore his legacy, noting his significance as the first Jesuit and Latin American Pope, and discuss the implications of his sudden death and the upcoming conclave to elect a new Pope.
The conversation shifts to immigration and deportation issues, focusing on the Democrats' stance on returning Abrigo Garcia to the United States for deportation. The hosts question Garcia's alleged ties to MS-13 and discuss the broader implications of immigration policies.
Next, the show covers the Trump administration's pro-natal policies aimed at encouraging higher birth rates, with a humorous nod to Elon Musk's efforts in this area. They also touch on the media's scrutiny of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, defending his position and criticizing the media's tactics.
The hosts reflect on the cultural and religious significance of the Pope's passing, sharing personal anecdotes about their experiences with the Catholic Church and discussing the search for meaning and purpose in modern society. They emphasize the importance of traditional values and the role of the Catholic Church in providing a sense of purpose.
The hour concludes with a discussion on the challenges of deporting illegal immigrants, highlighting the Supreme Court's recent decision to halt the deportation of violent criminals and the broader implications for immigration enforcement under the Trump administration.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. Market's a little look,
a little rough this morning. We'll discuss this is a
time for a rate cut at the FED. Trump certainly
thinks so he's losing patience with Jerome Powell. Obviously the
(00:21):
biggest news story today, we will dive into it shortly.
Here is the passing of Pope Francis. You got billions
of Catholics around the world very very much dialed into
the legacy, the life and legacy of Pope Francis. So
we shall discuss some of that. Jade Vance just met
with him on Sunday. So it does seem a bit
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sudden that all of a sudden the Pope is no more.
They're going to have to elect a new one. The
conclave's gonna get together, the smoke's gonna have to come
out of the chimney, all that stuff. So we shall
discuss that. The first Jesuit Pope, which is I think interesting,
and the first let's American pope. Those are the two standouts,
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at least in terms of his bio. We can talk
about some of his policies and some of his well,
some of what he stood for, some of what he said.
Coming up here. We've got updates on immigration and deportation,
specifically Democrats still making kill Abrego Garcia one of their
great causes some when they are very concerned with returning
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to the United States so that we can deport him again.
Just want to be clear. I don't think anyone believes
that that is not what the end state of the
legal system would be. But we got to bring him
back so we can deport him the right way. They say,
is he remember of remis thirteen? Yeah, but maybe they'll
say he's not. Depends on the day. So we have
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more on that for all of you. Also, Clay, I
thought this was interesting. There's reporting the Wall Street Journal
that the Trump administration is considering different ways to encourage
having kids a pro I guess it's a pro natalism policy,
having more babies they want. Trump wants more babies, probably
(02:08):
as many babies as we can have. So you know,
certainly Elon's doing his best to help out there. Elon,
you could say he's a pioneer. I'm not sure everybody
would agree with the way he's doing it, but you
could say he's a pioneer in the natalism world. In
the pro he's definitely pro baby making. That part of
it we could all agree on. But Clay, I was
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thinking about this this morning. I think nationwide about twenty percent.
Oh wait, sorry, before we get into that, and they're
going after Pete Hegxeth again. They really want they really
want that sec def scalp the media. It's not going
to happen. It's a lot of retread of old stories
and everything else. They're not going to get it. But
you can tell they're really turning up the heat on
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him more than anyone else the administration, which I think
for a lot of us indicates well, that means we
definitely want him to stay. That means he's shaking things
up in a way that makes the bad people uncomfortable.
But okay, now the pope, let's get to play. What
are you like, you're a Methodist or something, a Southern Baptist?
Where are you Southern Baptist? So so, yeah, I was
not a pope officionado growing up. Didn't know a lot
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about the pope. But you'll remember a couple of years
ago and it was one of the most awesome trips
of my life. I got to go. I took my
kids and we went to Rome, and we toured the Vatican,
and we got to experience what it is like, the pomp,
the circumstance, the majesty that surrounds everything having to do
with the Catholic Church. So I was not raising the
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Catholic Church, and don't have a ton of experience other
than going to a few funerals, a few weddings that
are in the Catholic faith. But I certainly appreciate the
the the impact and the power, like I said, of
the Vatican, and know and follow as a news story
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the selection of the new pope and find it to
be very intriguing in the way that it takes place,
with the white smoke and and the pope, papal enclaves
and everything else, conclaves and everything else that's associated with
You are the expert, however, on the selection of the
next pope, as it pertains, that's visionous. The expert of
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may not be a high standard, but the expert I'm
not gonna There's a lot of you listening who know
a lot more about about this pope and about the
latest things going on within the church compared to me.
I did. I went to Jesuit school, and he was
a Jesuit of the Society of Jesus, of that order
and the first one ever to become pope, which is interesting.
As I said, he's Argentine or I never know if
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it's Argentine or Argentinian, but we'll just go with Argentinian.
He's Argentinian by birth. The the the interesting things about
about this pope, I mean, one is he on some
things that matter very much. And I want to expand
this discussion out so it's not just about because for
a lot of people, if you're if you're a practicing Catholic,
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the Pope is obviously the head of the church, very important,
the Vicar of Christ here on earth, Lord's Pontiff, all
that stuff. But there's also bigger issues that he was
addressing that I think had a lot of impact. We
have about a billion and a half Catholics around the world,
so there's a lot of Catholics. I know many of
you listening are of different Protestant Deanni. I'd say, what
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do you think, I would guess this is what I
was going to say before. I would think our audience
is a little more Catholic than the nation overall. I
would say it's probably more like thirty percent of our
listeners are Catholic. I would guess twenty percent I think
is the national number. I would say we're probably more
like thirty percent here. You know, I don't think we
have quite as many like far left atheist types listening,
(05:48):
So you know you're going to have more. You're going
to have more people who are Christian of religious faith
so than a much bigger denomina or much bigger chunk
I think would be Protestant. But anyway, Clay, I mean,
here is where it came down for a lot of people.
This is a pope who did not allow priests to marry,
did not move on the issue of abortion, and still
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was ardently pro life, did not have any policies particularly
that advanced like the transagenda. So there were some areas
where he was a traditionalist. The problem is he was
a big climate change guy, and he was somebody who
spoke a lot about about social justice but also in
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the context of being effectively open borders, and I just
I don't agree with that. Now, he wasn't speaking ex
cathedra on those issues, which means it's not considered church doctrine.
It's not from from God through the pope to his
to his flock. But I didn't agree on those things.
So there's some there's some stuff that I liked. And
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you know, there's a big move toward more traditional Christianity
and traditional Catholicism more specifically in this country, Clay right now,
because people have realized a lot of the secular left
wing stuff is a bridge to nowhere. Yeah, I think
there is a increasing search for meaning and I think
that certainly is translating with young men. I just finished
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the first draft of the book that I'm writing about
why Trump was able to have such success with young
men and why that has continued, and why the Republican
Party is having such success with young men. I think
a lot of young men and increasingly young women too,
are aware that they have been sold something that is untrue.
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That is, and again, anytime we talk about this, people
are because they don't have this particular lifestyle. But I'll
just say it. I mean, you just had a baby.
The best possible formation for raising children is husband and wife,
nuclear family, and one of those individuals is able to
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be the primary caregiver. That is a reason that has
endured for thousands and thousands of years. That doesn't mean
that some of you out there can't both have fabulous jobs,
and there can't be daycare, and there can't be parents,
and I mean grandparents and aunts and uncles and brothers
and sisters and all these other different individuals that are
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involved in raising kids. It is incredibly important. I think
a lot of what has been sold to women in particular,
and I'm fired up on this because I just finished
writing this section of my book, but to women in particular.
If you went back in time Buck to the nineteen
sixties and you told a single young man, hey, what's
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the world that you would most like to embody to
find in the world, I think you would probably hear
that single young man describe the lifestyle that exists now
for men. That is women's empowerment. And this is going
to get people riled up too, but to a large extent,
women's empowerment I think has actually given men everything they wanted.
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And think about it for a minute. Now, for young men,
you have never had to work less in order to
have access to tons of pretty girls. You don't even
have to take them out on dates. Now you can
send twenty different text messages of you up. And this
is the reality of the world that exists now. If
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you're sixteen to thirty five and you're single out there
and Buck you just went through it. Now you're married.
But I think a lot of women and men are
not coming together. They're not getting married, they're not having children,
and we are learning that trying to make women more
like men and men more like women actually means that
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everybody doesn't like each other as much as they otherwise would.
They like the sexes to be different. And this idea
that you can be any gender, or babies, sometimes doctors
get babies wrong. I think you're seeing a profounder fudiation
of this era, and I wonder the reflection of who
they are going to select as the next pope. It's
fine to be in some way welcoming of difference, but
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at some point in time you do need to recognize
that there is traditional value in the decisions that have
been made for thousands of years. And I see that
all kind of coming together in terms of the decision
they make as to who the next pope is. I
think one thing that is true irrespective of time or
culture or anything else, is that for human happiness to flourish,
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you actually need to care about something more than you
care about yourself. That a focus on the self and
the deep and really malignant narcissism that is I think
really a defining characteristic of culture for young people today.
Maybe it has been for a longer time than that,
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but the self obsession with what I want, what I need,
when I want it is is just a pathway to
one happiness I think in the long run and maybe
even in the short run. And I think that when
people look to things like family and faith and and
what really matters and causes beyond themselves, that they can
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actually impact or effect, which is a very important This
is where you know this is Pope is very into
social justice. I think social justice for a lot of people,
and the cause is including things like climate change that
go under that clay. Is often an easy way out
for people because saying that you you know, you want
equal pay, or saying that you stand for climate change
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or Ukraine or the or you know, Fouchi or whatever
it is, whatever your new quasi religion is of the moment,
that's easy and can make people in the short term
feel good about themselves. But it's empty because it requires
no discipline and no effort, and there's nothing that you're
really doing, whereas helping somebody in your family or helping
somebody in your community who really is in a desperate situation,
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taking action that sacrifices your own immediate comforts and interest
for other people, and doing that on a daily basis,
tending to your own flock those around you. That I
think is a far more tried and true way to
achieve purpose, which is really what our modern culture, because
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we live lives generally play have so much convenience. Every
food is delicious, entertainment is everywhere. You know, sex has
been cheapened and easy for most people to get, or
you know, or they just do only fans or what
all this stuff, all the you know, endorphin and serotonin
rush that people are constantly chasing. I think what they
really want is purpose, And whether you're twenty or eighty,
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I think purpose is the thing that leads to more lasting,
real happiness in a deep philosophical sense. And I think
that that's the role of the Catholic Church place for
bringing it in a full circle for a lot of people.
The relationship with God. Those who believe in Christ and
his resurrection. We've just had Easter. Happy Easter to all
of you who celebrate. I think that this is a
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moment for people who even if you're not a Catholic,
even if you're not a Christian, there can be reflection
on this, but certainly for Catholics and Christians, what are
we all doing to live the faith that we profess
and to actually take what we know about a good
life and put it into action. Because we live in
a social media hashtag and don't use hashtags anymore, but
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you know, we live in a selfie, uber, eats, Netflix, quick,
fast and easy culture, and I think that's a big
parklay of what leads to so much unhappiness. I also
think to your point, if people don't have a larger purpose,
they will find it, and sometimes they find it in politics,
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which I think has happened on the left in particular.
A lot of these, in my opinion, women who would
otherwise have been raising families have decided that the Democrat
Party is the family they don't otherwise have. And I
think there's a profound sadness there, honestly, that that is
where you would choose to find your sense of purpose
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is entirely in the political realm and entirely with one
political party, but deep thoughts to start off a Monday morning,
as we are coming out of the Easter holiday, and
as the Pope, who I think it's kind of fair
to say shockingly has passed because he was just public
yesterday and there seemed to be some idea that he
had come through the worst of his health related conditions
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when it seemed like he might pass, and then he's
public yesterday and then overnight he passed. Still a tense
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Lots of
drama over the weekend. There is a renewed push was
texting with Buck Sunday night to try and get Pete.
Hegseth out as defense secretary. He has been the primary
target so far. Buck. I'm a little bit surprised, even
(16:20):
compared to RFK Junior, that he's been the guy that
they've gone after the most. I think it's part of it,
at least, is the frustration that they have that they
went all in and this was they thought the first
domino to fall. This was the first scout they would get,
and they really didn't get close. Trump was like, this
is my guy, and he's come out again and said
(16:42):
this is still my guy. Pete is great, he is
my secretary of Defense. But you know how it is,
they they are they're bitter about this now now they
want to go in even more and try to remove
this guy. Yeah, and heg Seth was just there having
the White House Easter role on with Trump in the
Eastern and everything else, and quickly here here's Pete Hegsath.
(17:02):
We'll react a bit to this as well.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
What a big surprise that a few leakers get fired
and suddenly a bunch of hit pieces come out from
the same media that pedaled the Russia hopes won't get
back their pulitzers. They got Pultzers for a bunch of lies,
pulcers for a bunch of lies and on hoaxes time
and time and time again. And as they pedal those lies,
no one ever calls them on.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
See, this is what the media does.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees and then
they try to slash and burn people and ruin their reputations.
Not gonna work with me because we're changing the Defense department,
putting the Pentagon back in the hands of war fighters,
and anonymous smears from disgruntled former employees on old news
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I think he's put this one to bed that
they didn't even put a scratch on him this time. So,
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Clay and Buck. There are two losses that a lot
of people are focused on right now. One is the
loss of uh Pope of Francis, who we discussed. And
by the way, I'll take some of your calls and
talkbacks on this at the at the back of this hour.
So if you want to talk about the Pope at all,
what he meant to you, or if you disagree. As
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a Catholic, I know he was very anti the Latin mass.
I would actually as a I'm coming back to it,
I will tell you I always want to be very
honest with his audience. You know. I was raised quite
Catholic in terms of the practice, right, going everything, all
the sacraments, Jesuit school. I went to Catholic school and
then Jesuit High School, and then I went to Amherst
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which was Communists, which actually made me more. I was
one of the few people I remember seeing Justice Scalia's daughter.
There was like an on campus church service. There are
very few of us. I'm like, huh, like she's here,
you know, she's cool. There are very few of us, though,
who would go to church on campus. I was one
of them. And I want to get back to it
now that I'm a father and I think more about
the future of my family and also you know, the
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future like eternity and everlasting life all that. So I'm
trying to get back to it. I'll be honest with you.
I'm somebody who has you know, my mother is very
devout and so she's probably listening. Mom. I'm working on it.
I'm working on it. I bring this up, Clay, just
because I do think I have feelings on I still
have feelings on all this, right. I don't claim to
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be an expert, but I have feelings on it all.
I think the Latin mass would be really really meaningful
to a lot of people. I think that the traditions
of the church are in so many ways the strength
of the church and the anyway, that's my feeling. I
think liberalizing it, no, no, no, actually not a good idea.
I think some of the liberal stuff that's gone on
with the church has been a bad idea. That all said,
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that's one loss. The loss of Pope francis the other
loss that the media is giving a lot of attention to.
Not quite as much as the pope today because that
just happened. But Clay, the loss from America of ki
Abrego Garcia, Yes, a very different Latin American fellow than insist,
and he is somebody that they have really decided to
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make the symbol of Trump resistance right now very interesting
to be. They haven't gone all in. I mean, the
institutional Democrat apparatus is not all in on Carmelo Anthony
and the stabbing case and all this they've that's online,
you'll see that, and there's some activists, local activists. But
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I think the mainstream Democrat party realizes that this is
not going to go well for them if they really
get too into this. I think maybe I'm wrong. They
could turn it into another OJ you know, celebrated case.
We'll talk about that, but they've really gone all in
on Obrego Garcia. And here is Senator Van Holland Clay
from Maryland, talking about this meeting with this guy play fifteen.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
He said he was not afraid of the other prisoners
in his immediate cell, but that he was traumatized by
being at Seacott full of many of the prisoners in
other cell blocks who called out to him and taunted
him in various ways. His conversation with me was the
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first communication he'd had with anybody outside of prison since
he was abducted. He said he felt very sad about
being in a prison because he had not committed any crimes.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Clay, you know, people pointed out, Oh, I know, I know,
he's like a lost puppy. People have pointed out he
didn't even ask apparently, or wouldn't give an answer. Is
he a member of MS thirteen?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or no? Is he a part of this? Did he
beat his wife? She said he did. I mean that
seems kind of significant to me too. I think we
played the team. Can remind me if we played it
or not. I know I shared it on social When
you get grilled by Michael Strahan on Good Morning America
and you can't answer a basic question of whether she
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was fearful of him, this is so let's talk about that. Garcia.
We said told you months ago, this was what their
focus is going to be. They were going to find
one person who was deported. They were going to decide
to make him the front facing example of how unfair
deportations were. But I do think and they picked a
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poor example, right, an alleged wife beater. As someone who
was accused of human smuggling pulled over in Tennessee. The
Biden FBI said, hey, let him go. Someone who has
what appears to be MS thirteen gang signed on his knuckles.
If you looked at the picture that that Donald Trump shared,
the location of his arrest, the people that he was
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consorting with at the time of the arrest, all these
things make him not a particularly the fact that he's
here illegally and no one disputes it. All these things
make him not a particularly sympathetic plaintiff, as we would say,
or forward facing client in this respect. But here is
what's really going on. What we're really seeing is Biden
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let in around ten million illegals in four years, and
we've had conversations about this, Buck. I remember during the
election saying I thought that Trump could shut down the
southern border. The challenge was going to be deporting massive
amounts of illegals. And I was talking with some people
over the weekend and on a pace right now, Trump
is going to be able to deport about three hundred
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and fifty thousand people. Okay, that means that it would
take around thirty years of doing this same pace to
just deport the people that Biden let in in the
last four years. If you open the floodgates and allow
everybody in and you don't have a mechanism by which
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the president can then deport massive amounts of people as well,
then effectively the Democrats win. And that is I think
what their calculus was all on, Buck. I think they
made the choice. Once we let these people in, given
the laws and given the roadblocks we can put up
to any deportation process, it's going to become virtually impossible
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to ever get these people out. And this presumes that
we even have a president who wants to shut down
the southern border. Because the lesson here is if they
win in twenty twenty eight, they'll probably wide open the
southern border again and we'll have millions more people coming in.
I was reading this morning their interviews with people who
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have decided not to come into the United States where
they said, hey, we just have to wait for another
Democrat president to be able to do this again. And
you'll remember, as soon as Biden was elected, those caravans
started in massive numbers. So what Trump is trying to
do wait caravans. They were literally showing up with Biden
Ysiden t shirts. Yes, and they're asked by reporters, hey,
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why are you here because of Biden? They were telling
us yes, because Biden wants us to come. Was even
some of the answers because that was the way it
was being told. So the point on this is we're
having a now legal battle over whether Trump can expansively
define illegal immigration and use that under hundreds of year
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old laws to be able to deport people rapidly. We
need Congress to act in this respect to make it
easier for people to be deported. The challenge is I
suspect that Democrats would in many respects throw up the filibuster,
which remember they claimed was racist and antiquated and didn't
need to exist anymore. Now suddenly they're going to use
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it abundantly against Trump in the Senate because they only
have forty seven seats. And so the Supreme Court over
the weekend to me, stepped in and issued a stop
order on the deportation of these violent criminals. And I
think they did it in a mechanism that suggests that
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they may well restrict Trump's ability to be able to
rapidly deport people, which means these millions of illegals are
essentially here to stay. We just come back to this
philosophical this philosophical reckoning that I think a lot of
Americans have had. You cannot look at us and say
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the rule of law, the constitution, due process only matters
to prevent people from being told to leave, does not
matter despite all of the laws when it comes to
they are arriving and they are staying in violation of laws. Right,
this can't be a one way street situation, or else
we don't really have a country anymore. And I think
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that this is also where this should be thought of.
This is an emergency. The number of illegals who have
come into the country, and particularly those who have come
in under Biden. This is a national emergency because we
have seen these serial violations of our sovereignty to such
a degree that it has eroded faith in the rule
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of law. This is an enormous burden on the taxpayer,
an enormous burden on our social and political fabric. I mean,
do they speak English? Are they American? What makes them Americans?
Some of them have been here for a year or two. Well,
some people study abroad. If I study abroad in Australia,
am I in Ausie all of a sudden, by the way,
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at least there I would speak the language. What if
I studied abroad in Tokyo and said, you know what, guys,
I'm as Japanese as all of you, I'd be laughed at. Yes.
But yet in this country, the Democrat Party has decided
that America is an idea. Now, America is actually people.
It is three hundred and forty million people who are
supposed to be here who live in a place known
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as America. But it is actually us. It's not just
a land mass. This is not just a real estate
transaction that we're discussing. And Clay, I think that's where
the reckoning comes from. That's where people are just saying,
hold on a second, So are we supposed to have
multiple tiers, multiple levels of review and retrial and more
(29:01):
review for every person who's come here illegally the whole system.
They've overwhelmed the system. They have flooded the system intentionally,
and now you're going to say, well, the system requires
extra Why I know the system requires This is an emergency.
People have to be told to go home and made
to go home. This is not their home, and that
is what the real battle is. The Garcia Fellow is
(29:23):
the front facing aspect of this, but make no mistake,
they are desperately trying to stop Trump from sending out
people who were illegally here. And there's lots of numbers
floating around. We should probably get Stephen Miller on again
because he's the expert on this to be able to
just give us the facts. But you'll see a lot
of things on social media about how many people were
(29:43):
deported and deporters in chief. A lot of times buck
they were counting I was diving into this. They were
counting people who were turned away at the border as
being as deportations. Yes, I know they didn't. They started
that under Obama to create the impression that he was
the in chief, so that he would have more political
capital to try to swindle Republicans with the Gang of
(30:05):
Eight bill, Remember the Senate Gang of eight into an amnesty.
It was oh, look Obama's series about border security. Look
at the numbers. The numbers were all fudged. The numbers
were fake. It was a joke. In other words, it's
important for you guys to think about the difference between
people here that are taken internally and flown out and
people who are stopped at the border. Many of those
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numbers out there, they're counting people stopped at the border
as being deported, which is not really the same thing.
It's not it's it's really a turnoway and beyond that Clay.
A lot of the people who are stopped at the
border and deported, you know what happens. They just go
west or they go east and they cross again. Right.
So you people think, oh, problem solved. Look at all
(30:48):
these not problems solved, but problem getting better. Look at
these numbers. No, they just if you're turned right back around,
A lot of these people have paid the you know,
they've paid the cartel coyotes. They've done the human trafficking.
You know, they've been a part of that human trafficking pipeline,
and they're just gonna find another place to try to cross,
and the next time they'll probably get through. Here's a
question for you, Well, I'll get your answer on the
flip side. What do you think the actual number of
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illegals in the country as we are speaking today is?
I want to get your Now, I'm curious what your
number would be. I've got one that I've got jotted
down on my page. I won't tell you what it is.
We'll see what our numbers are and see how close
are number. We'll be like rock paper scissors. We'll just
go right the same time period. It'll be like the
the Well, we don't know the full number, but it's
(31:32):
like the price is right when everybody has to bid
on what they think the number is. I'll let the
crew in studio, New York City, you guys also jot
down on a piece of paper what you think the
actual number of illegal immigrants is as we speak right now.
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The wife of the El Salvador gang member Abrao garcia
Is was on Good Morning America. I believe this was
on Friday Morning Buck and she was interviewed by former
NFL star Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan's had an incredible media career,
really talented guy. Does a lot. In addition to the
(34:09):
fact that he came out of the world of football.
But to the credit of Good Morning America, they had
Michael Strahan, who a lot of time doesn't do serious
news interview, ask a pretty important question. Why did the
wife accuse her husband, who is now in an l
Salvador prison, of domestic abuse and did she fear him?
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I want you to listen to that conversation that happened
on Friday, Good Morning America. I know this is a
sensitive question, but I have to ask it. You did
take out a temporary order of protection against your husband
in twenty twenty one? Were you in fear of your husband?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Husband is alive?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Does all I can say? Okay? Then you know I'm
not going to push on that. Okay. I actually think
he should have pushed on it a little bit. But
the fact that he asked the question that silence buck.
If you are asked if you are in fear of
your husband and you don't answer for twenty seconds or
fifteen seconds however long that pause was, you're in fear
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of your husband. I'm sorry. I can't imagine very many
wives out there asked that question would sit there in
silence and then not really answer it. At all, she
may well fear the gang also, which still has a
lot of members in the United States unfortunately MS thirteen.
But I do think that's an important clip that we
(35:36):
just played for you that everybody should be watching if
they're trying to make this a Braio Garcia guy into
somehow of a hero. We also promised that we would
give our number here, Clay, so we gotta keep our
promise of illegals. Yeah, oh yes, totally, I forgot I yeah,
my number is written down on this yellow legal pad
right here. All right already three dude, one, hold it up.
(35:58):
What have you got? Yeah? I got for people we
can't see. I've got twenty five million. Buck has thirty million.
Split the difference twenty seven and a half in Nashville,
in New York City studio there, anybody have a number
that is drastically different than the one we shared, much lower?
Eleven million? Ups what eleven Biden led in eleven million?
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Do a little research, producer, Alley. I mean, I don't know,
I don't know. Is she a is she a plant? Buck?
Did the Biden administration get her in here to try
to down legal question? My bad? Never mind? Oh wow,
we're gonna have to put that producer Alley on the
hot seat we come back. But it is a question.
We'll talk about this a little bit more. What is
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the actual number of the legal immigrants in the country
and why is it so difficult to even get a
fair accounting. We'll talk about that more next
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. Market's a little look,
a little rough this morning. We'll discuss this is a
time for a rate cut at the FED. Trump certainly
thinks so he's losing patience with Jerome Powell. Obviously the
(00:21):
biggest news story today, we will dive into it shortly.
Here is the passing of Pope Francis. You got billions
of Catholics around the world very very much dialed into
the legacy, the life and legacy of Pope Francis. So
we shall discuss some of that. Jade Vance just met
with him on Sunday. So it does seem a bit
(00:42):
sudden that all of a sudden the Pope is no more.
They're going to have to elect a new one. The
conclave's gonna get together, the smoke's gonna have to come
out of the chimney, all that stuff. So we shall
discuss that. The first Jesuit Pope, which is I think interesting,
and the first let's American pope. Those are the two standouts,
(01:03):
at least in terms of his bio. We can talk
about some of his policies and some of his well,
some of what he stood for, some of what he said.
Coming up here. We've got updates on immigration and deportation,
specifically Democrats still making kill Abrego Garcia one of their
great causes some when they are very concerned with returning
(01:25):
to the United States so that we can deport him again.
Just want to be clear. I don't think anyone believes
that that is not what the end state of the
legal system would be. But we got to bring him
back so we can deport him the right way. They say,
is he remember of remis thirteen? Yeah, but maybe they'll
say he's not. Depends on the day. So we have
(01:45):
more on that for all of you. Also, Clay, I
thought this was interesting. There's reporting the Wall Street Journal
that the Trump administration is considering different ways to encourage
having kids a pro I guess it's a pro natalism policy,
having more babies they want. Trump wants more babies, probably
(02:08):
as many babies as we can have. So you know,
certainly Elon's doing his best to help out there. Elon,
you could say he's a pioneer. I'm not sure everybody
would agree with the way he's doing it, but you
could say he's a pioneer in the natalism world. In
the pro he's definitely pro baby making. That part of
it we could all agree on. But Clay, I was
(02:30):
thinking about this this morning. I think nationwide about twenty percent.
Oh wait, sorry, before we get into that, and they're
going after Pete Hegxeth again. They really want they really
want that sec def scalp the media. It's not going
to happen. It's a lot of retread of old stories
and everything else. They're not going to get it. But
you can tell they're really turning up the heat on
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him more than anyone else the administration, which I think
for a lot of us indicates well, that means we
definitely want him to stay. That means he's shaking things
up in a way that makes the bad people uncomfortable.
But okay, now the pope, let's get to play. What
are you like, you're a Methodist or something, a Southern Baptist?
Where are you Southern Baptist? So so, yeah, I was
not a pope officionado growing up. Didn't know a lot
(03:13):
about the pope. But you'll remember a couple of years
ago and it was one of the most awesome trips
of my life. I got to go. I took my
kids and we went to Rome, and we toured the Vatican,
and we got to experience what it is like, the pomp,
the circumstance, the majesty that surrounds everything having to do
with the Catholic Church. So I was not raising the
(03:35):
Catholic Church, and don't have a ton of experience other
than going to a few funerals, a few weddings that
are in the Catholic faith. But I certainly appreciate the
the the impact and the power, like I said, of
the Vatican, and know and follow as a news story
(03:56):
the selection of the new pope and find it to
be very intriguing in the way that it takes place,
with the white smoke and and the pope, papal enclaves
and everything else, conclaves and everything else that's associated with
You are the expert, however, on the selection of the
next pope, as it pertains, that's visionous. The expert of
(04:17):
may not be a high standard, but the expert I'm
not gonna There's a lot of you listening who know
a lot more about about this pope and about the
latest things going on within the church compared to me.
I did. I went to Jesuit school, and he was
a Jesuit of the Society of Jesus, of that order
and the first one ever to become pope, which is interesting.
As I said, he's Argentine or I never know if
(04:39):
it's Argentine or Argentinian, but we'll just go with Argentinian.
He's Argentinian by birth. The the the interesting things about
about this pope, I mean, one is he on some
things that matter very much. And I want to expand
this discussion out so it's not just about because for
a lot of people, if you're if you're a practicing Catholic,
(05:02):
the Pope is obviously the head of the church, very important,
the Vicar of Christ here on earth, Lord's Pontiff, all
that stuff. But there's also bigger issues that he was
addressing that I think had a lot of impact. We
have about a billion and a half Catholics around the world,
so there's a lot of Catholics. I know many of
you listening are of different Protestant Deanni. I'd say, what
(05:24):
do you think, I would guess this is what I
was going to say before. I would think our audience
is a little more Catholic than the nation overall. I
would say it's probably more like thirty percent of our
listeners are Catholic. I would guess twenty percent I think
is the national number. I would say we're probably more
like thirty percent here. You know, I don't think we
have quite as many like far left atheist types listening,
(05:48):
So you know you're going to have more. You're going
to have more people who are Christian of religious faith
so than a much bigger denomina or much bigger chunk
I think would be Protestant. But anyway, Clay, I mean,
here is where it came down for a lot of people.
This is a pope who did not allow priests to marry,
did not move on the issue of abortion, and still
(06:11):
was ardently pro life, did not have any policies particularly
that advanced like the transagenda. So there were some areas
where he was a traditionalist. The problem is he was
a big climate change guy, and he was somebody who
spoke a lot about about social justice but also in
(06:31):
the context of being effectively open borders, and I just
I don't agree with that. Now, he wasn't speaking ex
cathedra on those issues, which means it's not considered church doctrine.
It's not from from God through the pope to his
to his flock. But I didn't agree on those things.
So there's some there's some stuff that I liked. And
(06:53):
you know, there's a big move toward more traditional Christianity
and traditional Catholicism more specifically in this country, Clay right now,
because people have realized a lot of the secular left
wing stuff is a bridge to nowhere. Yeah, I think
there is a increasing search for meaning and I think
that certainly is translating with young men. I just finished
(07:16):
the first draft of the book that I'm writing about
why Trump was able to have such success with young
men and why that has continued, and why the Republican
Party is having such success with young men. I think
a lot of young men and increasingly young women too,
are aware that they have been sold something that is untrue.
(07:37):
That is, and again, anytime we talk about this, people
are because they don't have this particular lifestyle. But I'll
just say it. I mean, you just had a baby.
The best possible formation for raising children is husband and wife,
nuclear family, and one of those individuals is able to
(07:58):
be the primary caregiver. That is a reason that has
endured for thousands and thousands of years. That doesn't mean
that some of you out there can't both have fabulous jobs,
and there can't be daycare, and there can't be parents,
and I mean grandparents and aunts and uncles and brothers
and sisters and all these other different individuals that are
(08:20):
involved in raising kids. It is incredibly important. I think
a lot of what has been sold to women in particular,
and I'm fired up on this because I just finished
writing this section of my book, but to women in particular.
If you went back in time Buck to the nineteen
sixties and you told a single young man, hey, what's
(08:41):
the world that you would most like to embody to
find in the world, I think you would probably hear
that single young man describe the lifestyle that exists now
for men. That is women's empowerment. And this is going
to get people riled up too, but to a large extent,
women's empowerment I think has actually given men everything they wanted.
(09:05):
And think about it for a minute. Now, for young men,
you have never had to work less in order to
have access to tons of pretty girls. You don't even
have to take them out on dates. Now you can
send twenty different text messages of you up. And this
is the reality of the world that exists now. If
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you're sixteen to thirty five and you're single out there
and Buck you just went through it. Now you're married.
But I think a lot of women and men are
not coming together. They're not getting married, they're not having children,
and we are learning that trying to make women more
like men and men more like women actually means that
(09:48):
everybody doesn't like each other as much as they otherwise would.
They like the sexes to be different. And this idea
that you can be any gender, or babies, sometimes doctors
get babies wrong. I think you're seeing a profounder fudiation
of this era, and I wonder the reflection of who
they are going to select as the next pope. It's
fine to be in some way welcoming of difference, but
(10:11):
at some point in time you do need to recognize
that there is traditional value in the decisions that have
been made for thousands of years. And I see that
all kind of coming together in terms of the decision
they make as to who the next pope is. I
think one thing that is true irrespective of time or
culture or anything else, is that for human happiness to flourish,
(10:34):
you actually need to care about something more than you
care about yourself. That a focus on the self and
the deep and really malignant narcissism that is I think
really a defining characteristic of culture for young people today.
Maybe it has been for a longer time than that,
(10:55):
but the self obsession with what I want, what I need,
when I want it is is just a pathway to
one happiness I think in the long run and maybe
even in the short run. And I think that when
people look to things like family and faith and and
what really matters and causes beyond themselves, that they can
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actually impact or effect, which is a very important This
is where you know this is Pope is very into
social justice. I think social justice for a lot of people,
and the cause is including things like climate change that
go under that clay. Is often an easy way out
for people because saying that you you know, you want
equal pay, or saying that you stand for climate change
(11:38):
or Ukraine or the or you know, Fouchi or whatever
it is, whatever your new quasi religion is of the moment,
that's easy and can make people in the short term
feel good about themselves. But it's empty because it requires
no discipline and no effort, and there's nothing that you're
really doing, whereas helping somebody in your family or helping
somebody in your community who really is in a desperate situation,
(12:02):
taking action that sacrifices your own immediate comforts and interest
for other people, and doing that on a daily basis,
tending to your own flock those around you. That I
think is a far more tried and true way to
achieve purpose, which is really what our modern culture, because
(12:23):
we live lives generally play have so much convenience. Every
food is delicious, entertainment is everywhere. You know, sex has
been cheapened and easy for most people to get, or
you know, or they just do only fans or what
all this stuff, all the you know, endorphin and serotonin
rush that people are constantly chasing. I think what they
really want is purpose, And whether you're twenty or eighty,
(12:46):
I think purpose is the thing that leads to more lasting,
real happiness in a deep philosophical sense. And I think
that that's the role of the Catholic Church place for
bringing it in a full circle for a lot of people.
The relationship with God. Those who believe in Christ and
his resurrection. We've just had Easter. Happy Easter to all
of you who celebrate. I think that this is a
(13:10):
moment for people who even if you're not a Catholic,
even if you're not a Christian, there can be reflection
on this, but certainly for Catholics and Christians, what are
we all doing to live the faith that we profess
and to actually take what we know about a good
life and put it into action. Because we live in
a social media hashtag and don't use hashtags anymore, but
(13:32):
you know, we live in a selfie, uber, eats, Netflix, quick,
fast and easy culture, and I think that's a big
parklay of what leads to so much unhappiness. I also
think to your point, if people don't have a larger purpose,
they will find it, and sometimes they find it in politics,
(13:52):
which I think has happened on the left in particular.
A lot of these, in my opinion, women who would
otherwise have been raising families have decided that the Democrat
Party is the family they don't otherwise have. And I
think there's a profound sadness there, honestly, that that is
where you would choose to find your sense of purpose
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is entirely in the political realm and entirely with one
political party, but deep thoughts to start off a Monday morning,
as we are coming out of the Easter holiday, and
as the Pope, who I think it's kind of fair
to say shockingly has passed because he was just public
yesterday and there seemed to be some idea that he
had come through the worst of his health related conditions
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Lots of
drama over the weekend. There is a renewed push was
texting with Buck Sunday night to try and get Pete.
Hegseth out as defense secretary. He has been the primary
target so far. Buck. I'm a little bit surprised, even
(16:20):
compared to RFK Junior, that he's been the guy that
they've gone after the most. I think it's part of it,
at least, is the frustration that they have that they
went all in and this was they thought the first
domino to fall. This was the first scout they would get,
and they really didn't get close. Trump was like, this
is my guy, and he's come out again and said
(16:42):
this is still my guy. Pete is great, he is
my secretary of Defense. But you know how it is,
they they are they're bitter about this now now they
want to go in even more and try to remove
this guy. Yeah, and heg Seth was just there having
the White House Easter role on with Trump in the
Eastern and everything else, and quickly here here's Pete Hegsath.
(17:02):
We'll react a bit to this as well.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
What a big surprise that a few leakers get fired
and suddenly a bunch of hit pieces come out from
the same media that pedaled the Russia hopes won't get
back their pulitzers. They got Pultzers for a bunch of lies,
pulcers for a bunch of lies and on hoaxes time
and time and time again. And as they pedal those lies,
no one ever calls them on.
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See, this is what the media does.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees and then
they try to slash and burn people and ruin their reputations.
Not gonna work with me because we're changing the Defense department,
putting the Pentagon back in the hands of war fighters,
and anonymous smears from disgruntled former employees on old news
doesn't matter.
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they didn't even put a scratch on him this time. So,
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Clay and Buck. There are two losses that a lot
of people are focused on right now. One is the
loss of uh Pope of Francis, who we discussed. And
by the way, I'll take some of your calls and
talkbacks on this at the at the back of this hour.
So if you want to talk about the Pope at all,
what he meant to you, or if you disagree. As
(19:13):
a Catholic, I know he was very anti the Latin mass.
I would actually as a I'm coming back to it,
I will tell you I always want to be very
honest with his audience. You know. I was raised quite
Catholic in terms of the practice, right, going everything, all
the sacraments, Jesuit school. I went to Catholic school and
then Jesuit High School, and then I went to Amherst
(19:35):
which was Communists, which actually made me more. I was
one of the few people I remember seeing Justice Scalia's daughter.
There was like an on campus church service. There are
very few of us. I'm like, huh, like she's here,
you know, she's cool. There are very few of us, though,
who would go to church on campus. I was one
of them. And I want to get back to it
now that I'm a father and I think more about
the future of my family and also you know, the
(19:58):
future like eternity and everlasting life all that. So I'm
trying to get back to it. I'll be honest with you.
I'm somebody who has you know, my mother is very
devout and so she's probably listening. Mom. I'm working on it.
I'm working on it. I bring this up, Clay, just
because I do think I have feelings on I still
have feelings on all this, right. I don't claim to
(20:19):
be an expert, but I have feelings on it all.
I think the Latin mass would be really really meaningful
to a lot of people. I think that the traditions
of the church are in so many ways the strength
of the church and the anyway, that's my feeling. I
think liberalizing it, no, no, no, actually not a good idea.
I think some of the liberal stuff that's gone on
with the church has been a bad idea. That all said,
(20:40):
that's one loss. The loss of Pope francis the other
loss that the media is giving a lot of attention to.
Not quite as much as the pope today because that
just happened. But Clay, the loss from America of ki
Abrego Garcia, Yes, a very different Latin American fellow than insist,
and he is somebody that they have really decided to
(21:04):
make the symbol of Trump resistance right now very interesting
to be. They haven't gone all in. I mean, the
institutional Democrat apparatus is not all in on Carmelo Anthony
and the stabbing case and all this they've that's online,
you'll see that, and there's some activists, local activists. But
(21:25):
I think the mainstream Democrat party realizes that this is
not going to go well for them if they really
get too into this. I think maybe I'm wrong. They
could turn it into another OJ you know, celebrated case.
We'll talk about that, but they've really gone all in
on Obrego Garcia. And here is Senator Van Holland Clay
from Maryland, talking about this meeting with this guy play fifteen.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
He said he was not afraid of the other prisoners
in his immediate cell, but that he was traumatized by
being at Seacott full of many of the prisoners in
other cell blocks who called out to him and taunted
him in various ways. His conversation with me was the
(22:11):
first communication he'd had with anybody outside of prison since
he was abducted. He said he felt very sad about
being in a prison because he had not committed any crimes.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Clay, you know, people pointed out, Oh, I know, I know,
he's like a lost puppy. People have pointed out he
didn't even ask apparently, or wouldn't give an answer. Is
he a member of MS thirteen?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Or no? Is he a part of this? Did he
beat his wife? She said he did. I mean that
seems kind of significant to me too. I think we
played the team. Can remind me if we played it
or not. I know I shared it on social When
you get grilled by Michael Strahan on Good Morning America
and you can't answer a basic question of whether she
(22:58):
was fearful of him, this is so let's talk about that. Garcia.
We said told you months ago, this was what their
focus is going to be. They were going to find
one person who was deported. They were going to decide
to make him the front facing example of how unfair
deportations were. But I do think and they picked a
(23:19):
poor example, right, an alleged wife beater. As someone who
was accused of human smuggling pulled over in Tennessee. The
Biden FBI said, hey, let him go. Someone who has
what appears to be MS thirteen gang signed on his knuckles.
If you looked at the picture that that Donald Trump shared,
the location of his arrest, the people that he was
(23:41):
consorting with at the time of the arrest, all these
things make him not a particularly the fact that he's
here illegally and no one disputes it. All these things
make him not a particularly sympathetic plaintiff, as we would say,
or forward facing client in this respect. But here is
what's really going on. What we're really seeing is Biden
(24:02):
let in around ten million illegals in four years, and
we've had conversations about this, Buck. I remember during the
election saying I thought that Trump could shut down the
southern border. The challenge was going to be deporting massive
amounts of illegals. And I was talking with some people
over the weekend and on a pace right now, Trump
is going to be able to deport about three hundred
(24:24):
and fifty thousand people. Okay, that means that it would
take around thirty years of doing this same pace to
just deport the people that Biden let in in the
last four years. If you open the floodgates and allow
everybody in and you don't have a mechanism by which
(24:47):
the president can then deport massive amounts of people as well,
then effectively the Democrats win. And that is I think
what their calculus was all on, Buck. I think they
made the choice. Once we let these people in, given
the laws and given the roadblocks we can put up
to any deportation process, it's going to become virtually impossible
(25:09):
to ever get these people out. And this presumes that
we even have a president who wants to shut down
the southern border. Because the lesson here is if they
win in twenty twenty eight, they'll probably wide open the
southern border again and we'll have millions more people coming in.
I was reading this morning their interviews with people who
(25:30):
have decided not to come into the United States where
they said, hey, we just have to wait for another
Democrat president to be able to do this again. And
you'll remember, as soon as Biden was elected, those caravans
started in massive numbers. So what Trump is trying to
do wait caravans. They were literally showing up with Biden
Ysiden t shirts. Yes, and they're asked by reporters, hey,
(25:50):
why are you here because of Biden? They were telling
us yes, because Biden wants us to come. Was even
some of the answers because that was the way it
was being told. So the point on this is we're
having a now legal battle over whether Trump can expansively
define illegal immigration and use that under hundreds of year
(26:12):
old laws to be able to deport people rapidly. We
need Congress to act in this respect to make it
easier for people to be deported. The challenge is I
suspect that Democrats would in many respects throw up the filibuster,
which remember they claimed was racist and antiquated and didn't
need to exist anymore. Now suddenly they're going to use
(26:34):
it abundantly against Trump in the Senate because they only
have forty seven seats. And so the Supreme Court over
the weekend to me, stepped in and issued a stop
order on the deportation of these violent criminals. And I
think they did it in a mechanism that suggests that
(26:55):
they may well restrict Trump's ability to be able to
rapidly deport people, which means these millions of illegals are
essentially here to stay. We just come back to this
philosophical this philosophical reckoning that I think a lot of
Americans have had. You cannot look at us and say
(27:16):
the rule of law, the constitution, due process only matters
to prevent people from being told to leave, does not
matter despite all of the laws when it comes to
they are arriving and they are staying in violation of laws. Right,
this can't be a one way street situation, or else
we don't really have a country anymore. And I think
(27:39):
that this is also where this should be thought of.
This is an emergency. The number of illegals who have
come into the country, and particularly those who have come
in under Biden. This is a national emergency because we
have seen these serial violations of our sovereignty to such
a degree that it has eroded faith in the rule
(27:59):
of law. This is an enormous burden on the taxpayer,
an enormous burden on our social and political fabric. I mean,
do they speak English? Are they American? What makes them Americans?
Some of them have been here for a year or two. Well,
some people study abroad. If I study abroad in Australia,
am I in Ausie all of a sudden, by the way,
(28:19):
at least there I would speak the language. What if
I studied abroad in Tokyo and said, you know what, guys,
I'm as Japanese as all of you, I'd be laughed at. Yes.
But yet in this country, the Democrat Party has decided
that America is an idea. Now, America is actually people.
It is three hundred and forty million people who are
supposed to be here who live in a place known
(28:41):
as America. But it is actually us. It's not just
a land mass. This is not just a real estate
transaction that we're discussing. And Clay, I think that's where
the reckoning comes from. That's where people are just saying,
hold on a second, So are we supposed to have
multiple tiers, multiple levels of review and retrial and more
(29:01):
review for every person who's come here illegally the whole system.
They've overwhelmed the system. They have flooded the system intentionally,
and now you're going to say, well, the system requires
extra Why I know the system requires This is an emergency.
People have to be told to go home and made
to go home. This is not their home, and that
is what the real battle is. The Garcia Fellow is
(29:23):
the front facing aspect of this, but make no mistake,
they are desperately trying to stop Trump from sending out
people who were illegally here. And there's lots of numbers
floating around. We should probably get Stephen Miller on again
because he's the expert on this to be able to
just give us the facts. But you'll see a lot
of things on social media about how many people were
(29:43):
deported and deporters in chief. A lot of times buck
they were counting I was diving into this. They were
counting people who were turned away at the border as
being as deportations. Yes, I know they didn't. They started
that under Obama to create the impression that he was
the in chief, so that he would have more political
capital to try to swindle Republicans with the Gang of
(30:05):
Eight bill, Remember the Senate Gang of eight into an amnesty.
It was oh, look Obama's series about border security. Look
at the numbers. The numbers were all fudged. The numbers
were fake. It was a joke. In other words, it's
important for you guys to think about the difference between
people here that are taken internally and flown out and
people who are stopped at the border. Many of those
(30:28):
numbers out there, they're counting people stopped at the border
as being deported, which is not really the same thing.
It's not it's it's really a turnoway and beyond that Clay.
A lot of the people who are stopped at the
border and deported, you know what happens. They just go
west or they go east and they cross again. Right.
So you people think, oh, problem solved. Look at all
(30:48):
these not problems solved, but problem getting better. Look at
these numbers. No, they just if you're turned right back around,
A lot of these people have paid the you know,
they've paid the cartel coyotes. They've done the human trafficking.
You know, they've been a part of that human trafficking pipeline,
and they're just gonna find another place to try to cross,
and the next time they'll probably get through. Here's a
question for you, Well, I'll get your answer on the
flip side. What do you think the actual number of
(31:10):
illegals in the country as we are speaking today is?
I want to get your Now, I'm curious what your
number would be. I've got one that I've got jotted
down on my page. I won't tell you what it is.
We'll see what our numbers are and see how close
are number. We'll be like rock paper scissors. We'll just
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the Well, we don't know the full number, but it's
(31:32):
like the price is right when everybody has to bid
on what they think the number is. I'll let the
crew in studio, New York City, you guys also jot
down on a piece of paper what you think the
actual number of illegal immigrants is as we speak right now.
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The wife of the El Salvador gang member Abrao garcia
Is was on Good Morning America. I believe this was
on Friday Morning Buck and she was interviewed by former
NFL star Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan's had an incredible media career,
really talented guy. Does a lot. In addition to the
(34:09):
fact that he came out of the world of football.
But to the credit of Good Morning America, they had
Michael Strahan, who a lot of time doesn't do serious
news interview, ask a pretty important question. Why did the
wife accuse her husband, who is now in an l
Salvador prison, of domestic abuse and did she fear him?
(34:30):
I want you to listen to that conversation that happened
on Friday, Good Morning America. I know this is a
sensitive question, but I have to ask it. You did
take out a temporary order of protection against your husband
in twenty twenty one? Were you in fear of your husband?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Husband is alive?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Does all I can say? Okay? Then you know I'm
not going to push on that. Okay. I actually think
he should have pushed on it a little bit. But
the fact that he asked the question that silence buck.
If you are asked if you are in fear of
your husband and you don't answer for twenty seconds or
fifteen seconds however long that pause was, you're in fear
(35:14):
of your husband. I'm sorry. I can't imagine very many
wives out there asked that question would sit there in
silence and then not really answer it. At all, she
may well fear the gang also, which still has a
lot of members in the United States unfortunately MS thirteen.
But I do think that's an important clip that we
(35:36):
just played for you that everybody should be watching if
they're trying to make this a Braio Garcia guy into
somehow of a hero. We also promised that we would
give our number here, Clay, so we gotta keep our
promise of illegals. Yeah, oh yes, totally, I forgot I yeah,
my number is written down on this yellow legal pad
right here. All right already three dude, one, hold it up.
(35:58):
What have you got? Yeah? I got for people we
can't see. I've got twenty five million. Buck has thirty million.
Split the difference twenty seven and a half in Nashville,
in New York City studio there, anybody have a number
that is drastically different than the one we shared, much lower?
Eleven million? Ups what eleven Biden led in eleven million?
(36:21):
Do a little research, producer, Alley. I mean, I don't know,
I don't know. Is she a is she a plant? Buck?
Did the Biden administration get her in here to try
to down legal question? My bad? Never mind? Oh wow,
we're gonna have to put that producer Alley on the
hot seat we come back. But it is a question.
We'll talk about this a little bit more. What is
(36:41):
the actual number of the legal immigrants in the country
and why is it so difficult to even get a
fair accounting. We'll talk about that more next
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