March 11, 2025 • 36 mins
When you try to change the system or challenge the ways things are done in the most expensive government in the history of the world, things are going to get messy. President Biden's autopen. Fixing the country isn't going to happen overnight. Don't listen to the noise. Government efficiency. Inflation. Social engineering. Democrats change their mind in the moment for power. There is no accountability in Washington, DC. The bureaucrats are keeping you like a hamster on a treadmill. Some people haven't learned the lesson when dealing with Trump. He can't be bullied. Canada's approach to Trump on tariffs is ass-backwards. Mark Carney. Zelenskyy learned this. Why tariffs? Reciprocal tariffs. History of the Smoot Hawley tariff. Paul Krugman is not very smart even though he's a Nobel Prize-winning economist. The DC based foreign policy consensus is a lot like the economic consensus. The threat of tariffs creates an even more playing field. Trade wars. Trump's economic record is strong. Caller from Moscow, Russia. Central planning. Milton Freidman. True free trade. Don't get fooled into Utopianism.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay, Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. Arman Clay on a much deserved
vacation and college tour with his oldest boy, so he'll
be back with us on Monday. He's taken the week
to the family stuff and enjoy himself. We hope him,
Laura and the kids are having a great time. We
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have a lot of news to dive into today, and
things are heating up. I think you could say that
the initial honeymoon period with the media, not that they
wanted to give us one, but they were so shocked
that they couldn't even figure out a way to oppose
Trump effectively in public, that is starting to fade as
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they scream recession, recession, and authoritarianism. So we shall discuss
where all this is coming from. We got Congress right
now wrangling over the Continuing Resolution. There's government shutdown talk,
oh boy, up on Capitol Hill. We will discuss this.
Trump announcing new tariffs on Canada, so he's going to
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impose fifty percent tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. We'll
discuss this. This is a retaliatory tariff. There's a lot
of back and forth over the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil,
an anti American pro Hamas pro Palestinian activist on a
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student visa. I think that's a discussion we should get
into in a little bit. You've also got the aftermath
of Dylan mulvany on The View. It turns out the
ladies of the View are as disconnected from reality and
cognitively limited as we had always assumed here on the show,
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or we had always discussed. And we shall get into
all of that and more. Also, take a bunch of
your calls eight hundred two two two eight eight two,
and I'll just say this, my friends, it is important
to note that this was all what we should have
expected when you try to change the system, when you
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take it upon yourself to challenge the way things are
done in the biggest, most expensive government in the history
of the world, which I think is fair to say,
no one else is spending the trillions that we have spent,
or we have gotten used to spending. No one else
has ever gotten thirty six trillion US dollars or the equivalent.
I don't know, maybe we could go back to ancient
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Rome or something, but nobody else has run this up
the way that we have in the modern era. We've
got some real problems to fix. Right. The initial flurry
of executive orders from Trump was fantastic. It was it
was time for us all to high five, do backflips.
And like I said, if you remember you were listening
to us at the time, I said, enjoy this. Go
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out this weekend, crack a beer or a chardonnay, or
whatever it is you like to you know, in my case,
some stevious sweetened water. Go go enjoy yourself and enjoy
the victory that Trump had over all the forces trying
to stop him. Enjoy the victory the Republicans had. Because
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things are gonna get messy, and we're entering the messy
phase now. It's not going to be what they're telling
you it is, which is that somehow this is all
going to fall apart and the economy is so bad
and it's all Trump's fault. That is to be expected
from an anti Trump media that has lied to you
about absolutely everything. I've seen that, even with the the
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Heritage Foundation, I think it's the accountability project they have.
They've looked at the signatures, the auto pen signatures of
Biden on a bunch of his well, a bunch of
things that he officially signed, and some of them don't
match up. And this under a normal president, Under a
cognitively functioning president, you might say, well, you know, people
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use auto pens. Did Biden even know all the things
he was signing? And if you didn't know all the
things he was signing, it's not really law, is it
if some advisor just effectively forged his signature.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's one thing for a president to have an autopen signature. Go, yes,
my hand is tired. Auto that has happened before. We
know this. Oh, I'm not discounting that reality. But if
a president isn't even aware of what is being signed
in his name, is is that a thing that we
don't pay attention to? Does that not have consequences? I
think it clearly should. But I bring it up because
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we have entered a new era now where we have
a president who is very much engaged and advisors who
are on a mission. This is not the business as
usual presidency. This is not even the Trump as we
got to know him presidency, as in Trump one point ozho.
This is clearly Trump two point oh. This is something
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elevated and beyond the first go round, there was a
lot of on the job learning. There were personnel decisions
and mistakes. Let's just be honest about this. Trump is
honest about it. He fired a bunch of people. He
has had people turn against him who owe their careers
to him, now in the media, but then in government.
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So there was a learning curve, and there was I
think from the Trump team also the surprise of having
to deal with not just the media going all out
against him, but we remember the Russia collusion hoax and
the media, Democrat, intelligence community complex, the apparatus all going
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at Trump with everything that they had, and it slowed
things down. This time around, they have thrown everything at him,
and they have been shown incapable of stopping him from
getting to his second term. A magnificent thing, an incredible comeback.
That's why I told you enjoy it. Don't just look
at the fight ahead. You know, when you win the
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big game before you go to the state championship, you
still go out and celebrate. The election victory was huge.
Now we get to fixing the country. And fixing the
country isn't going to be something that just happens overnight
or even in the first quarter or two of Trump's term.
Remember he hasn't even been an office two months, and
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they're saying, oh, look at the price of eggs, look
at the stock marker, look at noise. This is noise.
And there's also an important perception management that has to
go on here where if you're going to contract government,
and if we have become for GDP purposes reliant on
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government's expansion, as in too much spending the government just creates,
creates the perception of additional value. It's just numbers on
a screen, or it's paying bureaucrats who do nothing. I
mentioned you yesterday twenty five percent of new jobs under
Biden government jobs. The government is putting out twenty five
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percent of the new jobs that are being created over
the course of an entire twenty twenty three, I think,
and twenty twenty four is close to it, if not
the same, that's not making any of us better off.
That is just expanding the scope and price tag of
the government itself. To deal with that though, it's a
little bit like going on a diet something I know about,
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because you're going to be hungry, and if we have
to be hungry here when it comes to government spending
a little bit. This is the thing it's all about.
It's all about proportion, it's all about balance. Trump is
trying to restore balance. Elon does, They're trying to restore
sanity in the way that the government spends, in the
way that the government takes your money in your name
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and puts it to use, in many cases, very bad use,
in some cases, just effectively lighting money on fire. To
stop that process from happening, there's going to be fierce opposition,
which we have already seen, right, especially when you start
to touch these NGOs. I think it was Elon who said,
and it's so right, How is it a non government
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organization if the government is entirely responsible for funding it,
that's just a cutout. That's what we would call it
intelligence circles, right, that's a carve out, it's a proxy.
So something was very wrong with that whole situation, and
now many of us are far more aware of it
than we ever we ever had been in the past.
So that's an important win. And now we're looking at
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the beginning of stopping the spending juggernaut from just rampaging
forward toward forty trillion dollars of debt. It's not going
to be easy, and it is not going to be
without a little bit of rumbling along the way. There's
there's going to be some moments where things are going
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to look a little bit tougher than they might have
been if we just continued spending. But we can't continue
the spending. And this is why Trump has come out
and said that he wants to put the country on
a firmer economic footing. He wants to do what he
can so that this isn't just about what the stock
market looks like now, it's how far is your paycheck
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going in a year, in two years, in five years.
This is about turning around a massive part of the
economic engine here so that it is and really redoing
parts of it so that it can function more efficiently
for everyone. Because we've seen what the inflation has done
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to your ability to pay your rent. We've seen if
you are asset light in this economy, meaning if you
don't own a lot of stuff that is productive, stocks,
real estate, things like that, if you don't know, then
that all gets inflat along with the inflation. And so
what it does is it squeezes those who are working
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for paychecks for a living, which is the vast majority
of the American people. Those who are doing work and
trying to get ahead and just trying to pay their
bills and do it the right way, they have a
tougher time, and it is effectively attacks on them to
continue to spend at the levels we have currently seen.
This has to be addressed. This has to be changed.
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And this is also why you will see Democrats are
You'll notice there's no spending that they really want to cut.
They like the control that this gives them. There's a
tremendous amount of social engineering that is possible when you're
spending so much money that nobody even knows what you're
spending it on or who's getting it. It is such
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a shield. It is such a shroud for corruption because
if you don't if no one really knows where the
money's going. The numbers are so big and there's so
many things, how can you ever get a handle on this.
This is where Trump and Elon and Doge come in
and the fight over the government shutdown. I have a
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tough time getting all that energized about this. One way
or the other. We've been through this before. It's a
lot of brinksmanship and blame game stuff, and eventually the
government will be funded if they allow it to be
defunded temporarily or the funding to run short. I believe
Trump then is in a position to just decide what
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is considered essential and what keeps running. So there's that.
But here is Speaker Johnson who is trying to wrangle
all of this, and he's saying that it's Democrats who
are taking this to the point where there could be
a shutdown. Play one.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
They're planning to vote down the simple Bill. They are
going to try to shut the government down. Every House
Democrat will participate on this. It looks like that would
be a shame if it's true. I hope some of
them will have a moment of clarity themselves and do
the right thing. But it looks like they're going to
try to shut down the government. It's a striking new
posture for Democrats who have always said they spend apoplectic
about the prospect of government shutdowns. Democrats have been insisting
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they're fighting for federal workers. You're about to see again
on vivid display very clear the contrast. You will see
one team that is working to fund the government and
make sure, we do the responsible thing, and you're going
to see another posing as r because they've now exposed
the truth. They're not for federal workers, they're not for anyone.
All the people they've said in the past that are
going to be harmed would be by their votes.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
This is one of the challenges of opposing Democrats is
that they stand for whatever they need to stand for
in the moment. They change their mind on everything. They
change their principles as if they have any They change
what they believe in. It doesn't It's about power, and
when you're talking about the government and how it spends money,
there might be.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
No more.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Clear abuse of power that Democrats can engage in than
what we what we see, which is spending us all
into oblivion. Tackling this is a critical issue. I've said
it from the very beginning. Are borders and the government
cutting it down to side, cutting the spending down, cutting
the bureaucray down the two most important missions of the
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Trump administration. We've seen excellent work at the border so far.
Thank you Tom Homan and team, and credit to DHS
Secretary Nome. Credit to the people that are doing what
is necessary to secure our border so that it's ninety
five percent down for illegal crossings. Interior enforcement is the
harder problem. I will always be honest with you. That
is even more challenging, and that will require more political
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will and more infrastructure. It's millions, it's tens of millions
of people that you're talking about who are at least
possible deportees. And then you have tackling the government beast.
You see, the Democrats had created a system where they
win no matter what, even when they lose elections, they
win because the spending is automatic, because the bureaucracy huge,
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because there's no accountability in DC, and it's just one
free for all with your money, you go to work,
you spend your life and your time trying to be
productive and provide for your family. And the shenanigans in
DC means that you're a hamster on a treadmill that
keeps going faster and faster and faster, and how are
you supposed to keep up? That's not good. And Trump
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recognizes that his team sees what's going on and they
are taking steps to make this better. It's not going
to be perfect, it's not going to be quick, and
it's not going to be that easy. There's going to
be a little bit of disruption. The markets may be
in some tumult here for a few months. Of course,
of course, when you're correcting a problem, there tends to
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be right in. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
When you stop overspending, it's going to feel like things
are a little lean sometimes, But for a vast majority
of people. I truly believe it's vast reglory of Americans.
This is clearly the way it has to be done,
and it has to be done now. By the midterms,
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Speaker 1 (16:25):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We're going
to talk tariffs coming up in just a moment. It's
pretty funny to see some people who haven't learned the
lesson when it comes to dealing with Trump. You never
want to come at Trump with I'm going to bully you.
It's just it just won't make It won't work. It
won't work, and I think Canada pushing on this too forcefully.
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The approach with the that they should take with Trump,
specifically our Canadian brothers and sisters, The approach that Trump
that they should take with Trump is, you know what,
you're right, Why do we have a two hundred and
fifty percent tariff on Darry? We should adjust that. We
love America, You're such a great neighbor. You provide is
effectively total and complete security from foreign countries invading us
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or beating us up, or there's a whole range of
things and a tremendous asset to our economy and your
people and our people really like each other and get
along super well. So that's the way. You don't say, oh, yeah,
you're gonna do this, well, I'm gonna do that. I'm
gonna we're gonna put a big tariff on you, sir.
Not good for the Canadian leadership to take to take
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that approach, because Trump loves this. He loves it when
they decide that they're gonna play tough guy. And as
Trump has said to another tough guy, Zelenski, you don't
have the cards. You don't have the cards Canada. We'll
talk about some of the specifics here and also why terriffs,
Why tariffs, let's really dive into that in a moment.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Let's talk tariffs for
a moment. For a moment, all right, strap in gonna
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get wild. We're gonna talk a little tariff econ one
oh one history. Maybe we'll dive into the Smoot Hawley
tariffs back in what the thirties. This is. This is
a moment where I think it's important to look at
the basics because things are getting a little bit feisty
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on the tariff front. And let me just give you
the news on this, and then we'll do a little
bit of a deep, deep dive into the analysis. Donald
Trump from Truth Social I'm quoting now based on Ontario,
Canada placing a twenty five percent tariff on electricity coming
into the United States. I've instructed my Secretary of Commerce
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to add an additional twenty five percent tariff to fifty
percent tariff on all steel and aluminum coming into the
United States from Canada, one of the highest tariffing nations
anywhere in the world. Okay, so he says, this will
go into a fact tomorrow morning, March twelfth, He says
Canada must drop their anti American farmer tariff of two
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and fifty on various US dairy products. I'll declare a
national emergency and electricity within the threatened area. This will
allow the US to do what needs to be done
to alleviate this abusive threat from Canada. Okay, a couple
things here. First of all, as we've already established, because
this is so important, I understand, the economic consensus, such
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as it exists among among economists, is that tariffs are
almost like it's like a sales tax, or it's just
it's a tax that consumers pay and it lessens aggregate demand.
And so they just say that's bad. They just view
tariffs bad. They want total free trade. That's the least theoretically.
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The problem with this, and this is why I gave
economists a little rough stuff yesterday. The problem with this
is that there are there are a lot of tariffs
and a lot of protectionist policies in place all over
the world already, including with our neighbors Mexico and Canada.
So we're not starting from a place of everything is level.
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Why are you making it not level with your tariff?
This is where we get to reciprocal tariff right in
the word reciprocal. They're doing this to us, and so
we do something in response. If my neighbor Clay hates
leaf blowers, and by the way, he is spot on,
leafblowers drive me insane too. If my neighbor is using
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a leaf blower super loudly and they won't stop at
you know, seven o'clock at night, eight o'clock at night,
because as we know this is leaf blowers should be
a nine to five thing. You shouldn't wake anybody up.
You shouldn't keep anybody from going to sleep. Anyway. Some
of you are going to take issue with that, but
you're wrong. If I then start playing loud music, if
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I start blasting Beethoven over the fence so that they
get the hint, I'm not the noise polluter. I'm engaged
in a reciprocal act of noisemaking so that they will stop.
Although maybe they'll just love the Beethoven. This is a
total digrette, you know what. I'll come to this later.
I actually experience something in Nashville when it comes to
classical music I thought was fascinating. But I'll tell you
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about that in a moment. I don't want to I
don't I don't want to weave too much. I don't
want to weave too much. Trump weaves. I weave without clay.
Here my weave can sometimes spin off into So I'm
going to get back on the tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, meaning
they are doing this to us. Why would a country,
why would Canada have a two hundred and fifty percent
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tariff on our dairy going across the border unless there
were some benefit to them. Of course, there is some
benefit to your domestic producers and domestic industry, and so
that's why other countries do this to us, right, I mean,
we're just we're just looking at this logically. Put aside,
you know, whether somebody is U. I mean, Paul Krugman
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is anonymists who got a Nobel Prize. The guys are moron.
So you know, it's not like we have to just
sit there and say, oh, whatever you say. Economists. Now
you look at individual tariffs on individual on an individual basis,
and you realize they are a tool. It is a tool,
just like for example, sanctions saying now that's more that's
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more aggressive. But you know, sanctions are a tool sometimes good,
sometimes bad. Tariffs sometimes good, sometimes bad. It depends. It
is case dependent. And this is what gets lost in
so much of the discussion about this because people just
say they have this this automatic wave of the hand,
will all the economists say? And I'm like, you know,
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what do all the economists really know? You know, you
got to ask that question what they What have they
gotten right about the economy recently? Not a whole lot. Now,
there are obviously exceptions to this. We have some great economists,
and we've had Art Laugher on the show and Steve
Boorr on the show, and they're brilliant guys out there.
But I mean, it's like the same thing with the
foreign policy consensus. If you listen to the DC based
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foreign policy consensus, there's not a war we shouldn't fight,
there's not an invasion we shouldn't do. You know, America
is the global police, and they've been very wrong, and
we've paid a heavy price for this. With the so
called economic consensus, we have been on the receiving end
of tariffs and what you could say our trade war
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acts for a long time, and we don't do anything
in response. This is where Trump was right on the
issue of China in his first term, and the DC
consensus was so Remember I say DC consensus because a
lot of Republicans. It's not just Democrats opposed Trump period. Democrats.
You know. Trump says, hey, it's a nice day, and
they look, it's a terrible day. Seventy five degrees and
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breezy is terrible. They don't care. But there are Republicans
that go along with this as well. There are Republicans
that decide, oh, I disagree with Trump on this issue,
and they were proven wrong in the first term on
China in my opinion, and I think in everyone's opinion,
because even Biden kept a lot of the Trump China
policies in place on trade. We want to get them
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to stop doing what they're doing. So we are then
creating the threat of tariff's creates and even a more
even playing ground for our producers and our consumers. Why
should we have less access to their market than they
have to ours. Ah And this is again where it's
a tool. Now we have the premiere of Ontario, Doug
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Ford here talking tough about terriff fights with Trump play
this one.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Let me be clear, I will not hesitate to increase
this charge if necessary, if the United States escalates, I
will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely. Believe
me when I say I do not want to do this.
I feel terrible for the American people because it's not
the American people who started this trade war. It's one
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person who's responsible. That's President Trump. I'd rather be working together.
I want to sell the US more energy, g G,
more electricity, more critical minerals. I want to make Canada
in the United States the richest, most successful, safest.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, yeah, here, we get it. Get it anyway. The
point is he's throwing down with Trump. Now. They're saying
they're going to make our electricity cost more, specifically to Minnesota, Michigan,
and New York, which get electricity across across the border
from Canada, so they're going to drive up energy prices
on US. Trump is saying, don't worry, we're going to
handle this. Here's the way to handle it. We want
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also things that aren't necessarily purely economic as well, which
is where more so with Mexico, but also with Canada.
We want border cooperation. So see people say again tariffs
are a tool. Okay, will something be will something be
more expensive? As a result of tariff, particularly over a
relatively short period of time. Yes, but are there more
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important things than cost of goods in that one sector
for that period of time. This is a decision to
be made, right, What is more important that we keep
I don't know the cost of textiles brought in from Mexico.
I think those are even brought in mostly from Southeast
Asia now, But whatever we are, the cost of avocados,
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that's what we always Oh my gosh, if we do
anything with Mexico and trade you, your avocado toast is
going to be And that's always a cheap shot. They
take at US millennials and gen z with the avoca.
Avocado toast is delicious, but they say, your avocado is
going to be so expensive? All right, if a fifty
percent increase in the cost of avocados is something that
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we're willing to bear in order to get a fifty
percent reduction in I don't know fentanyl seizures at the border.
Is that worth it? Again, it is a tool. It's
something that Trump is using. Did Trump blow up the economy?
And this is the other part of this I get
too as well. Did Trump blow up the economy? And
first administration, when he was doing these different maneuvers on trade,
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when he negotiated the US Canada Mexico agreement. What is
the record of Trump on the economy? Phenomenally strong, right,
Who knows more than Trump, who has been in a
position of leadership, who's been a president in recent memory?
No one, No one is better on the economy than Trump,
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I would say, as president in my lifetime, better than Bush,
better than Obama, better obviously better than Biden. I mean,
you can go back to Reagan, but there are some
things that would I would quibble with when it comes
to some of well, really on immigration with Reagan, that's
where we have a departure, more so than on the economy. Nonetheless,
I think that Trump has earned the leeway to pursue
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these paths without people freaking out, at least on our side.
The Democrats are going to freak out no matter what,
But on our side of things, it's going to be
it's going to be a little bit of time, and
there's going to be a little bit of disruption, because
to be a disruptor to the system requires some disruption.
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This is very straightforward. You're not going to fix this
stuff without there being a little bit of WHOA okay,
And there's going to be kicking and screaming from bureaucrats
and the deep state and the Democrats and the anti
Trump media that's looking for anything to say that is
negative for Trump. So when we talk about tariffs, I
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just think it's important to put it in the context
of one, it's a negotiating tool. Some of these tariffs
won't even go into effect. Two, the reciprocal tariffs they
are in response to, in a lot of cases, tariffs
that already exist with other countries. So we're saying, hey,
knock that off and we'll knock this off. What's wrong
with that? I don't understand why why should we say
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that other countries could punish our access to their markets
and punish our producers, but we can't do the same.
And then three, sometimes there are things that are more
important than an increase in the cost in a certain
industry at a certain time. This is really where I
get into the agreement on Mexico. With Mexico on border issues,
that's a critical US national security and sovereignty interest. It's
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not just about the price of avocados. So with that
in mind, I understand we don't want things to get crazy.
We don't want prices to skyrocket. The Trump administration is
sensitive to it. But just remember the same people who
are criticizing this with the most fervor in the media
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and in a commentariat, we're the ones who are telling
you that Joe Biden with sharp as attack. Why would
you believe them now? Why do they have credibility now
on this issue? So we give it some time, We
let this play out, We let Trump do what he does. Okay,
he's got Elon Musk. You got people running around Democrats.
Elon Musk is dumb. Anybody who tells that Elon Musk
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is dumb shouldn't be listened to on anything. And I
don't know how they can even tie their own shoes.
They shouldn't be listened to on a single issue period,
full stop. All right, We've got very smart people. I
do not have concerns, especially on the economic and budget
cutting side of this administration. You have an all star
team that has been assembled. Look at the people who
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are criticizing it. They mean when I said, look, it's
okay to say I disagree with this terraff for that tariff,
that's fine. I mean the ones who are saying, we're
session it's gonna be terrible. They're trying to induce fear
in people to turn them against what Trump is trying
to do. This is the moment where we have to
sort of steal our spines and say, all right, let's go.
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We wanted this ride, We said Trump, I'm tall enough
for the roller coaster. Let's get on the roller coaster.
It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great. But there
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Speaker 1 (33:58):
Welcome back into colle and back. We got a bunch
of calls coming in, a bunch of talkbacks and vip emails.
Appreciate all of you sharing your thoughts, your ideas, your insights.
Let's get to I had to check to make sure
this is right. Bob in Moscow, Russia? Like that, Moscow?
Are you really in Moscow? Are you pulling our leg?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm really in Moscow that I've been here for eight years?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
How is that.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
It's actually a fairly safe place to live except for
the drones? Like last night they went very close to
where I live. But that's a normal thing since everything
broke out.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
How are they toured as an American? Are they are
people pretty friendly to you over there or how does
that go?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, you still have the few that aren't, but you'd
be surprised at the number of expats that are here
basketball players, hockey players from Canada, America, England, South America
because Aus the family values here are so much nicer
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than what they are in America at the moment.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Wow, okay, interesting, Well you want to talk about tariffs.
Tell me about tariffs.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, there we play tariffs every place. I would love
in Europe or other place to be able to get
Wisconsin cheese, Wisconsin steak, and it's impossible to get because
one the tariffs are so high, or two they're just
not allowed to be imported. So our business and our
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farmers in America, they're milk products, they're dairy products that
I come from Wisconsin. They're all being excluded by tariffs
of other countries.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah. Well, say thank you, Bob. Thank you by the way,
stay safe in Moscow. Appreciate you calling in Moscow. I've
never been to Russia. Be interesting. I would just say
this on you know, because I'm also seeing some of
the people who are writing in or calling in and saying,
you know, they disagree and Central Planning and what about
Milton Friedman and all this stuff. Guys, there are tariffs
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already in place against the United States from certain countries.
What are we supprised that is that cool? Or are
we supposed to say, yeah, that's good, keep that tariff
against our producers, especially for a country that's right next door.
So why is that okay? You know, if you're assuming
that we're in a state of true free trade and
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there weren't barriers put in by countries, I would say, yes,
why would we do that. Everything's working out great, it's
all free and fair. It's not. Don't get fooled into utopianism.
What works on the blackboard in a classroom somewhere is
not necessarily what works in reality is we all know.
We'll dive into more of this coming up. Teams, stay
with me.
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay, Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. Arman Clay on a much deserved
vacation and college tour with his oldest boy, so he'll
be back with us on Monday. He's taken the week
to the family stuff and enjoy himself. We hope him,
Laura and the kids are having a great time. We
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have a lot of news to dive into today, and
things are heating up. I think you could say that
the initial honeymoon period with the media, not that they
wanted to give us one, but they were so shocked
that they couldn't even figure out a way to oppose
Trump effectively in public, that is starting to fade as
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they scream recession, recession, and authoritarianism. So we shall discuss
where all this is coming from. We got Congress right
now wrangling over the Continuing Resolution. There's government shutdown talk,
oh boy, up on Capitol Hill. We will discuss this.
Trump announcing new tariffs on Canada, so he's going to
(01:09):
impose fifty percent tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. We'll
discuss this. This is a retaliatory tariff. There's a lot
of back and forth over the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil,
an anti American pro Hamas pro Palestinian activist on a
(01:30):
student visa. I think that's a discussion we should get
into in a little bit. You've also got the aftermath
of Dylan mulvany on The View. It turns out the
ladies of the View are as disconnected from reality and
cognitively limited as we had always assumed here on the show,
(01:53):
or we had always discussed. And we shall get into
all of that and more. Also, take a bunch of
your calls eight hundred two two two eight eight two,
and I'll just say this, my friends, it is important
to note that this was all what we should have
expected when you try to change the system, when you
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take it upon yourself to challenge the way things are
done in the biggest, most expensive government in the history
of the world, which I think is fair to say,
no one else is spending the trillions that we have spent,
or we have gotten used to spending. No one else
has ever gotten thirty six trillion US dollars or the equivalent.
I don't know, maybe we could go back to ancient
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Rome or something, but nobody else has run this up
the way that we have in the modern era. We've
got some real problems to fix. Right. The initial flurry
of executive orders from Trump was fantastic. It was it
was time for us all to high five, do backflips.
And like I said, if you remember you were listening
to us at the time, I said, enjoy this. Go
(02:57):
out this weekend, crack a beer or a chardonnay, or
whatever it is you like to you know, in my case,
some stevious sweetened water. Go go enjoy yourself and enjoy
the victory that Trump had over all the forces trying
to stop him. Enjoy the victory the Republicans had. Because
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things are gonna get messy, and we're entering the messy
phase now. It's not going to be what they're telling
you it is, which is that somehow this is all
going to fall apart and the economy is so bad
and it's all Trump's fault. That is to be expected
from an anti Trump media that has lied to you
about absolutely everything. I've seen that, even with the the
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Heritage Foundation, I think it's the accountability project they have.
They've looked at the signatures, the auto pen signatures of
Biden on a bunch of his well, a bunch of
things that he officially signed, and some of them don't
match up. And this under a normal president, Under a
cognitively functioning president, you might say, well, you know, people
(04:05):
use auto pens. Did Biden even know all the things
he was signing? And if you didn't know all the
things he was signing, it's not really law, is it
if some advisor just effectively forged his signature.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's one thing for a president to have an autopen signature. Go, yes,
my hand is tired. Auto that has happened before. We
know this. Oh, I'm not discounting that reality. But if
a president isn't even aware of what is being signed
in his name, is is that a thing that we
don't pay attention to? Does that not have consequences? I
think it clearly should. But I bring it up because
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we have entered a new era now where we have
a president who is very much engaged and advisors who
are on a mission. This is not the business as
usual presidency. This is not even the Trump as we
got to know him presidency, as in Trump one point ozho.
This is clearly Trump two point oh. This is something
(05:01):
elevated and beyond the first go round, there was a
lot of on the job learning. There were personnel decisions
and mistakes. Let's just be honest about this. Trump is
honest about it. He fired a bunch of people. He
has had people turn against him who owe their careers
to him, now in the media, but then in government.
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So there was a learning curve, and there was I
think from the Trump team also the surprise of having
to deal with not just the media going all out
against him, but we remember the Russia collusion hoax and
the media, Democrat, intelligence community complex, the apparatus all going
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at Trump with everything that they had, and it slowed
things down. This time around, they have thrown everything at him,
and they have been shown incapable of stopping him from
getting to his second term. A magnificent thing, an incredible comeback.
That's why I told you enjoy it. Don't just look
at the fight ahead. You know, when you win the
(06:04):
big game before you go to the state championship, you
still go out and celebrate. The election victory was huge.
Now we get to fixing the country. And fixing the
country isn't going to be something that just happens overnight
or even in the first quarter or two of Trump's term.
Remember he hasn't even been an office two months, and
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they're saying, oh, look at the price of eggs, look
at the stock marker, look at noise. This is noise.
And there's also an important perception management that has to
go on here where if you're going to contract government,
and if we have become for GDP purposes reliant on
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government's expansion, as in too much spending the government just creates,
creates the perception of additional value. It's just numbers on
a screen, or it's paying bureaucrats who do nothing. I
mentioned you yesterday twenty five percent of new jobs under
Biden government jobs. The government is putting out twenty five
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percent of the new jobs that are being created over
the course of an entire twenty twenty three, I think,
and twenty twenty four is close to it, if not
the same, that's not making any of us better off.
That is just expanding the scope and price tag of
the government itself. To deal with that though, it's a
little bit like going on a diet something I know about,
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because you're going to be hungry, and if we have
to be hungry here when it comes to government spending
a little bit. This is the thing it's all about.
It's all about proportion, it's all about balance. Trump is
trying to restore balance. Elon does, They're trying to restore
sanity in the way that the government spends, in the
way that the government takes your money in your name
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and puts it to use, in many cases, very bad use,
in some cases, just effectively lighting money on fire. To
stop that process from happening, there's going to be fierce opposition,
which we have already seen, right, especially when you start
to touch these NGOs. I think it was Elon who said,
and it's so right, How is it a non government
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organization if the government is entirely responsible for funding it,
that's just a cutout. That's what we would call it
intelligence circles, right, that's a carve out, it's a proxy.
So something was very wrong with that whole situation, and
now many of us are far more aware of it
than we ever we ever had been in the past.
So that's an important win. And now we're looking at
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the beginning of stopping the spending juggernaut from just rampaging
forward toward forty trillion dollars of debt. It's not going
to be easy, and it is not going to be
without a little bit of rumbling along the way. There's
there's going to be some moments where things are going
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to look a little bit tougher than they might have
been if we just continued spending. But we can't continue
the spending. And this is why Trump has come out
and said that he wants to put the country on
a firmer economic footing. He wants to do what he
can so that this isn't just about what the stock
market looks like now, it's how far is your paycheck
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going in a year, in two years, in five years.
This is about turning around a massive part of the
economic engine here so that it is and really redoing
parts of it so that it can function more efficiently
for everyone. Because we've seen what the inflation has done
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to your ability to pay your rent. We've seen if
you are asset light in this economy, meaning if you
don't own a lot of stuff that is productive, stocks,
real estate, things like that, if you don't know, then
that all gets inflat along with the inflation. And so
what it does is it squeezes those who are working
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for paychecks for a living, which is the vast majority
of the American people. Those who are doing work and
trying to get ahead and just trying to pay their
bills and do it the right way, they have a
tougher time, and it is effectively attacks on them to
continue to spend at the levels we have currently seen.
This has to be addressed. This has to be changed.
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And this is also why you will see Democrats are
You'll notice there's no spending that they really want to cut.
They like the control that this gives them. There's a
tremendous amount of social engineering that is possible when you're
spending so much money that nobody even knows what you're
spending it on or who's getting it. It is such
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a shield. It is such a shroud for corruption because
if you don't if no one really knows where the
money's going. The numbers are so big and there's so
many things, how can you ever get a handle on this.
This is where Trump and Elon and Doge come in
and the fight over the government shutdown. I have a
(11:12):
tough time getting all that energized about this. One way
or the other. We've been through this before. It's a
lot of brinksmanship and blame game stuff, and eventually the
government will be funded if they allow it to be
defunded temporarily or the funding to run short. I believe
Trump then is in a position to just decide what
(11:34):
is considered essential and what keeps running. So there's that.
But here is Speaker Johnson who is trying to wrangle
all of this, and he's saying that it's Democrats who
are taking this to the point where there could be
a shutdown. Play one.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
They're planning to vote down the simple Bill. They are
going to try to shut the government down. Every House
Democrat will participate on this. It looks like that would
be a shame if it's true. I hope some of
them will have a moment of clarity themselves and do
the right thing. But it looks like they're going to
try to shut down the government. It's a striking new
posture for Democrats who have always said they spend apoplectic
about the prospect of government shutdowns. Democrats have been insisting
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they're fighting for federal workers. You're about to see again
on vivid display very clear the contrast. You will see
one team that is working to fund the government and
make sure, we do the responsible thing, and you're going
to see another posing as r because they've now exposed
the truth. They're not for federal workers, they're not for anyone.
All the people they've said in the past that are
going to be harmed would be by their votes.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
This is one of the challenges of opposing Democrats is
that they stand for whatever they need to stand for
in the moment. They change their mind on everything. They
change their principles as if they have any They change
what they believe in. It doesn't It's about power, and
when you're talking about the government and how it spends money,
there might be.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
No more.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Clear abuse of power that Democrats can engage in than
what we what we see, which is spending us all
into oblivion. Tackling this is a critical issue. I've said
it from the very beginning. Are borders and the government
cutting it down to side, cutting the spending down, cutting
the bureaucray down the two most important missions of the
(13:16):
Trump administration. We've seen excellent work at the border so far.
Thank you Tom Homan and team, and credit to DHS
Secretary Nome. Credit to the people that are doing what
is necessary to secure our border so that it's ninety
five percent down for illegal crossings. Interior enforcement is the
harder problem. I will always be honest with you. That
is even more challenging, and that will require more political
(13:39):
will and more infrastructure. It's millions, it's tens of millions
of people that you're talking about who are at least
possible deportees. And then you have tackling the government beast.
You see, the Democrats had created a system where they
win no matter what, even when they lose elections, they
win because the spending is automatic, because the bureaucracy huge,
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because there's no accountability in DC, and it's just one
free for all with your money, you go to work,
you spend your life and your time trying to be
productive and provide for your family. And the shenanigans in
DC means that you're a hamster on a treadmill that
keeps going faster and faster and faster, and how are
you supposed to keep up? That's not good. And Trump
(14:24):
recognizes that his team sees what's going on and they
are taking steps to make this better. It's not going
to be perfect, it's not going to be quick, and
it's not going to be that easy. There's going to
be a little bit of disruption. The markets may be
in some tumult here for a few months. Of course,
of course, when you're correcting a problem, there tends to
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be right in. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
When you stop overspending, it's going to feel like things
are a little lean sometimes, But for a vast majority
of people. I truly believe it's vast reglory of Americans.
This is clearly the way it has to be done,
and it has to be done now. By the midterms,
we're back to business as usual. By the midterms 're
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Speaker 1 (16:25):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We're going
to talk tariffs coming up in just a moment. It's
pretty funny to see some people who haven't learned the
lesson when it comes to dealing with Trump. You never
want to come at Trump with I'm going to bully you.
It's just it just won't make It won't work. It
won't work, and I think Canada pushing on this too forcefully.
(16:49):
The approach with the that they should take with Trump,
specifically our Canadian brothers and sisters, The approach that Trump
that they should take with Trump is, you know what,
you're right, Why do we have a two hundred and
fifty percent tariff on Darry? We should adjust that. We
love America, You're such a great neighbor. You provide is
effectively total and complete security from foreign countries invading us
(17:14):
or beating us up, or there's a whole range of
things and a tremendous asset to our economy and your
people and our people really like each other and get
along super well. So that's the way. You don't say, oh, yeah,
you're gonna do this, well, I'm gonna do that. I'm
gonna we're gonna put a big tariff on you, sir.
Not good for the Canadian leadership to take to take
(17:36):
that approach, because Trump loves this. He loves it when
they decide that they're gonna play tough guy. And as
Trump has said to another tough guy, Zelenski, you don't
have the cards. You don't have the cards Canada. We'll
talk about some of the specifics here and also why terriffs,
Why tariffs, let's really dive into that in a moment.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Let's talk tariffs for
a moment. For a moment, all right, strap in gonna
(19:00):
get wild. We're gonna talk a little tariff econ one
oh one history. Maybe we'll dive into the Smoot Hawley
tariffs back in what the thirties. This is. This is
a moment where I think it's important to look at
the basics because things are getting a little bit feisty
(19:23):
on the tariff front. And let me just give you
the news on this, and then we'll do a little
bit of a deep, deep dive into the analysis. Donald
Trump from Truth Social I'm quoting now based on Ontario,
Canada placing a twenty five percent tariff on electricity coming
into the United States. I've instructed my Secretary of Commerce
(19:45):
to add an additional twenty five percent tariff to fifty
percent tariff on all steel and aluminum coming into the
United States from Canada, one of the highest tariffing nations
anywhere in the world. Okay, so he says, this will
go into a fact tomorrow morning, March twelfth, He says
Canada must drop their anti American farmer tariff of two
(20:06):
and fifty on various US dairy products. I'll declare a
national emergency and electricity within the threatened area. This will
allow the US to do what needs to be done
to alleviate this abusive threat from Canada. Okay, a couple
things here. First of all, as we've already established, because
this is so important, I understand, the economic consensus, such
(20:27):
as it exists among among economists, is that tariffs are
almost like it's like a sales tax, or it's just
it's a tax that consumers pay and it lessens aggregate demand.
And so they just say that's bad. They just view
tariffs bad. They want total free trade. That's the least theoretically.
(20:48):
The problem with this, and this is why I gave
economists a little rough stuff yesterday. The problem with this
is that there are there are a lot of tariffs
and a lot of protectionist policies in place all over
the world already, including with our neighbors Mexico and Canada.
So we're not starting from a place of everything is level.
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Why are you making it not level with your tariff?
This is where we get to reciprocal tariff right in
the word reciprocal. They're doing this to us, and so
we do something in response. If my neighbor Clay hates
leaf blowers, and by the way, he is spot on,
leafblowers drive me insane too. If my neighbor is using
(21:32):
a leaf blower super loudly and they won't stop at
you know, seven o'clock at night, eight o'clock at night,
because as we know this is leaf blowers should be
a nine to five thing. You shouldn't wake anybody up.
You shouldn't keep anybody from going to sleep. Anyway. Some
of you are going to take issue with that, but
you're wrong. If I then start playing loud music, if
(21:54):
I start blasting Beethoven over the fence so that they
get the hint, I'm not the noise polluter. I'm engaged
in a reciprocal act of noisemaking so that they will stop.
Although maybe they'll just love the Beethoven. This is a
total digrette, you know what. I'll come to this later.
I actually experience something in Nashville when it comes to
classical music I thought was fascinating. But I'll tell you
(22:16):
about that in a moment. I don't want to I
don't I don't want to weave too much. I don't
want to weave too much. Trump weaves. I weave without clay.
Here my weave can sometimes spin off into So I'm
going to get back on the tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, meaning
they are doing this to us. Why would a country,
why would Canada have a two hundred and fifty percent
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tariff on our dairy going across the border unless there
were some benefit to them. Of course, there is some
benefit to your domestic producers and domestic industry, and so
that's why other countries do this to us, right, I mean,
we're just we're just looking at this logically. Put aside,
you know, whether somebody is U. I mean, Paul Krugman
(22:59):
is anonymists who got a Nobel Prize. The guys are moron.
So you know, it's not like we have to just
sit there and say, oh, whatever you say. Economists. Now
you look at individual tariffs on individual on an individual basis,
and you realize they are a tool. It is a tool,
just like for example, sanctions saying now that's more that's
(23:23):
more aggressive. But you know, sanctions are a tool sometimes good,
sometimes bad. Tariffs sometimes good, sometimes bad. It depends. It
is case dependent. And this is what gets lost in
so much of the discussion about this because people just
say they have this this automatic wave of the hand,
will all the economists say? And I'm like, you know,
(23:44):
what do all the economists really know? You know, you
got to ask that question what they What have they
gotten right about the economy recently? Not a whole lot. Now,
there are obviously exceptions to this. We have some great economists,
and we've had Art Laugher on the show and Steve
Boorr on the show, and they're brilliant guys out there.
But I mean, it's like the same thing with the
foreign policy consensus. If you listen to the DC based
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foreign policy consensus, there's not a war we shouldn't fight,
there's not an invasion we shouldn't do. You know, America
is the global police, and they've been very wrong, and
we've paid a heavy price for this. With the so
called economic consensus, we have been on the receiving end
of tariffs and what you could say our trade war
(24:30):
acts for a long time, and we don't do anything
in response. This is where Trump was right on the
issue of China in his first term, and the DC
consensus was so Remember I say DC consensus because a
lot of Republicans. It's not just Democrats opposed Trump period. Democrats.
You know. Trump says, hey, it's a nice day, and
they look, it's a terrible day. Seventy five degrees and
(24:50):
breezy is terrible. They don't care. But there are Republicans
that go along with this as well. There are Republicans
that decide, oh, I disagree with Trump on this issue,
and they were proven wrong in the first term on
China in my opinion, and I think in everyone's opinion,
because even Biden kept a lot of the Trump China
policies in place on trade. We want to get them
(25:12):
to stop doing what they're doing. So we are then
creating the threat of tariff's creates and even a more
even playing ground for our producers and our consumers. Why
should we have less access to their market than they
have to ours. Ah And this is again where it's
a tool. Now we have the premiere of Ontario, Doug
(25:35):
Ford here talking tough about terriff fights with Trump play
this one.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Let me be clear, I will not hesitate to increase
this charge if necessary, if the United States escalates, I
will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely. Believe
me when I say I do not want to do this.
I feel terrible for the American people because it's not
the American people who started this trade war. It's one
(26:02):
person who's responsible. That's President Trump. I'd rather be working together.
I want to sell the US more energy, g G,
more electricity, more critical minerals. I want to make Canada
in the United States the richest, most successful, safest.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, yeah, here, we get it. Get it anyway. The
point is he's throwing down with Trump. Now. They're saying
they're going to make our electricity cost more, specifically to Minnesota, Michigan,
and New York, which get electricity across across the border
from Canada, so they're going to drive up energy prices
on US. Trump is saying, don't worry, we're going to
handle this. Here's the way to handle it. We want
(26:38):
also things that aren't necessarily purely economic as well, which
is where more so with Mexico, but also with Canada.
We want border cooperation. So see people say again tariffs
are a tool. Okay, will something be will something be
more expensive? As a result of tariff, particularly over a
relatively short period of time. Yes, but are there more
(26:59):
important things than cost of goods in that one sector
for that period of time. This is a decision to
be made, right, What is more important that we keep
I don't know the cost of textiles brought in from Mexico.
I think those are even brought in mostly from Southeast
Asia now, But whatever we are, the cost of avocados,
(27:19):
that's what we always Oh my gosh, if we do
anything with Mexico and trade you, your avocado toast is
going to be And that's always a cheap shot. They
take at US millennials and gen z with the avoca.
Avocado toast is delicious, but they say, your avocado is
going to be so expensive? All right, if a fifty
percent increase in the cost of avocados is something that
(27:41):
we're willing to bear in order to get a fifty
percent reduction in I don't know fentanyl seizures at the border.
Is that worth it? Again, it is a tool. It's
something that Trump is using. Did Trump blow up the economy?
And this is the other part of this I get
too as well. Did Trump blow up the economy? And
first administration, when he was doing these different maneuvers on trade,
(28:03):
when he negotiated the US Canada Mexico agreement. What is
the record of Trump on the economy? Phenomenally strong, right,
Who knows more than Trump, who has been in a
position of leadership, who's been a president in recent memory?
No one, No one is better on the economy than Trump,
(28:24):
I would say, as president in my lifetime, better than Bush,
better than Obama, better obviously better than Biden. I mean,
you can go back to Reagan, but there are some
things that would I would quibble with when it comes
to some of well, really on immigration with Reagan, that's
where we have a departure, more so than on the economy. Nonetheless,
I think that Trump has earned the leeway to pursue
(28:47):
these paths without people freaking out, at least on our side.
The Democrats are going to freak out no matter what,
But on our side of things, it's going to be
it's going to be a little bit of time, and
there's going to be a little bit of disruption, because
to be a disruptor to the system requires some disruption.
(29:11):
This is very straightforward. You're not going to fix this
stuff without there being a little bit of WHOA okay,
And there's going to be kicking and screaming from bureaucrats
and the deep state and the Democrats and the anti
Trump media that's looking for anything to say that is
negative for Trump. So when we talk about tariffs, I
(29:32):
just think it's important to put it in the context
of one, it's a negotiating tool. Some of these tariffs
won't even go into effect. Two, the reciprocal tariffs they
are in response to, in a lot of cases, tariffs
that already exist with other countries. So we're saying, hey,
knock that off and we'll knock this off. What's wrong
with that? I don't understand why why should we say
(29:53):
that other countries could punish our access to their markets
and punish our producers, but we can't do the same.
And then three, sometimes there are things that are more
important than an increase in the cost in a certain
industry at a certain time. This is really where I
get into the agreement on Mexico. With Mexico on border issues,
that's a critical US national security and sovereignty interest. It's
(30:18):
not just about the price of avocados. So with that
in mind, I understand we don't want things to get crazy.
We don't want prices to skyrocket. The Trump administration is
sensitive to it. But just remember the same people who
are criticizing this with the most fervor in the media
(30:38):
and in a commentariat, we're the ones who are telling
you that Joe Biden with sharp as attack. Why would
you believe them now? Why do they have credibility now
on this issue? So we give it some time, We
let this play out, We let Trump do what he does. Okay,
he's got Elon Musk. You got people running around Democrats.
Elon Musk is dumb. Anybody who tells that Elon Musk
(31:01):
is dumb shouldn't be listened to on anything. And I
don't know how they can even tie their own shoes.
They shouldn't be listened to on a single issue period,
full stop. All right, We've got very smart people. I
do not have concerns, especially on the economic and budget
cutting side of this administration. You have an all star
team that has been assembled. Look at the people who
(31:22):
are criticizing it. They mean when I said, look, it's
okay to say I disagree with this terraff for that tariff,
that's fine. I mean the ones who are saying, we're
session it's gonna be terrible. They're trying to induce fear
in people to turn them against what Trump is trying
to do. This is the moment where we have to
sort of steal our spines and say, all right, let's go.
(31:43):
We wanted this ride, We said Trump, I'm tall enough
for the roller coaster. Let's get on the roller coaster.
It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great. But there
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Speaker 1 (33:58):
Welcome back into colle and back. We got a bunch
of calls coming in, a bunch of talkbacks and vip emails.
Appreciate all of you sharing your thoughts, your ideas, your insights.
Let's get to I had to check to make sure
this is right. Bob in Moscow, Russia? Like that, Moscow?
Are you really in Moscow? Are you pulling our leg?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm really in Moscow that I've been here for eight years?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
How is that.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
It's actually a fairly safe place to live except for
the drones? Like last night they went very close to
where I live. But that's a normal thing since everything
broke out.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
How are they toured as an American? Are they are
people pretty friendly to you over there or how does
that go?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, you still have the few that aren't, but you'd
be surprised at the number of expats that are here
basketball players, hockey players from Canada, America, England, South America
because Aus the family values here are so much nicer
(35:06):
than what they are in America at the moment.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Wow, okay, interesting, Well you want to talk about tariffs.
Tell me about tariffs.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, there we play tariffs every place. I would love
in Europe or other place to be able to get
Wisconsin cheese, Wisconsin steak, and it's impossible to get because
one the tariffs are so high, or two they're just
not allowed to be imported. So our business and our
(35:35):
farmers in America, they're milk products, they're dairy products that
I come from Wisconsin. They're all being excluded by tariffs
of other countries.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah. Well, say thank you, Bob. Thank you by the way,
stay safe in Moscow. Appreciate you calling in Moscow. I've
never been to Russia. Be interesting. I would just say
this on you know, because I'm also seeing some of
the people who are writing in or calling in and saying,
you know, they disagree and Central Planning and what about
Milton Friedman and all this stuff. Guys, there are tariffs
(36:07):
already in place against the United States from certain countries.
What are we supprised that is that cool? Or are
we supposed to say, yeah, that's good, keep that tariff
against our producers, especially for a country that's right next door.
So why is that okay? You know, if you're assuming
that we're in a state of true free trade and
(36:27):
there weren't barriers put in by countries, I would say, yes,
why would we do that. Everything's working out great, it's
all free and fair. It's not. Don't get fooled into utopianism.
What works on the blackboard in a classroom somewhere is
not necessarily what works in reality is we all know.
We'll dive into more of this coming up. Teams, stay
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