July 18, 2024 • 36 mins
RNC Co-Chair Michael Whatley joins Clay and Buck at the RNC to discuss the convention, how Republicans will beat election fraud, and what happens if Biden drops out. Is the end imminent for Biden's campaign? Senator Tommy Tuberville talks with Clay and Buck about GOP prospects in the Senate and the investigation into the Trump assassination attempt. Former Trump DOD official Elbridge Colby previews what he thinks will be the top priorities of Trump foreign policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in our number two Thursday edition Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. We are rolling through the program here as
we prepare for Donald Trump's official speech tonight. Hulk Cogan
is going to be there. I imagine there will be
some other festivities. Dana White. For those of you out
there that are combat sports fans, we bring in now
our NC Chairman Michael Wattley and just off the top
(00:23):
four even start with the questions. You guys have organized
this in a flawless manner. I mean, everything has gone,
it seems to me to plan the city of Milwaukee.
Everybody has been fantastic setting it up. So great job
by you guys, which I know is no small measure
to get this thing organized.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
No huge project, huge team. You know, we've been on
the ground for eighteen months, We've been fully built out
from our perspective for over a year. Milwaukee has been
great and the arena is fantastic. The mechanics of this
convention have been awesome. But you cannot undervalue how great
these speakers have been. You know how great the messaging
(01:01):
has been. And what we're trying to do to convey
to everybody across the country is we are talking to
every American family, and we're hearing from real American voices.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, so Saturday, almost the worst day in fifty years
in America, Trump by an inch avoids assassination. I'm sure
you were watching like we were, like everybody all over
the nation listening to us right now.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Was.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Would there have been a Republican national convention at all? If,
by the grace of God this week, if Trump had
not happened to turn his head an inch, what would
have happened if that awful event had actually come to
the fruition as the shooter hoped.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't think there's any way that we would have
gone forward. I don't think there's any way that we
could have gone forward. And when we talk about what
happened on Saturday, there's really a couple things that come
to mind. First off, this is a miracle. This is
an absolute miracle. You know, some people have said, oh,
it was luck. It's not luck. This is this is
a miracle that he is still alive. And I think
(02:04):
that the second thing is you need to stop and
you need to step back and reflect on this campaign,
in this election cycle in light of what just happened.
You know, and it's not just the fact that the
president was shot. There were three other people that were shot.
One of them lost their lives. Yes, and because they
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were at a political rally, you know that that really
I don't think that there's been enough time and effort
thought about, oh my god, where are we at in
our politics across America?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And and I think that you know, as President Trump
was going from the event to the hospital. While he
was at the hospital, his concern was for the other people.
His concern was for the other people who got shot.
His concern was for everybody else who was at the arena.
He was not concerned for himself. And then when we
when we talked, it was I'll be there. Sure everybody's ready,
(03:01):
make sure everything is good to go, but I'm coming.
And not only am I coming. He wasn't supposed to
be here till today. Yeah, he said I'll be there tomorrow,
you know. And I think that that sends a signal.
You know what when he stood up and the Secret
Service was trying to duck him down and move him
out there, and he put his fist up and let
America know, I'm okay. That's a signal. And when when
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we got word Saturday night he's coming. I think that
that sends a signal, you know, And when you step
back and reflect on this election cycle and why he's running,
it is really truly because he cares about America and
he's going to fight for America every day.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Certainly, the mission now for Trump, for the RNC is
to have the best outcome possible in this election.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We all know that we This is not a surprise
to you.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I'm sure as the head of the RNC, we get
calls every day and have for years about what is
being done to make sure that there are no shenanigans.
I guess would be the polite work we're on radio.
There's no nonsense, no bs, no, none of that. What
is being done to make sure that election integrity will
(04:11):
be something that every honest Republican after this election can
look at and say, all right, at least we know
that only valid legal votes were counted, and they were
counted properly.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So, right when I took over as the chair and
Laura Trump, who is our great co chair, took over,
had breakfast with the President and we were talking. He said,
all right, Michael, what's the plan? How are we going
to win. And I said, sir, we are going to
do two things right. The RNC tends to do a
lot of things, we're not. We're going to eliminate everything else.
We're going to focus on two critical missions. We're going
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to get out the vote and we're going to protect
the ballot. I mean, we have been at the RNC
a get out the vote machine for decades. We're really
really good at contacting voters, phone calls, door knocks, mail,
all that stuff to get people to go vote. But
we've never done election integrity before. We were under a
court order for forty years that we couldn't do it.
So when that got lifted, then we went into the
(05:04):
twenty twenty cycle. I'll say this, what happened in twenty
twenty cannot ever happen again. So my highest priority right
now is building out the first ever national election integrity program.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
So what does that mean? It means two things.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
One, in every state, we want the right rules of
the road in place. We want the right laws, rules, regulations.
We want only American citizens voting. We want voter ID.
We want states to clean up their voter rules. States
that are going to do mail or absentee balloting. You
need basic protections in place, like signature requirements, witness requirements.
We want those ballots in a mailbox, not a dropbox,
(05:39):
and we want all those mallets in by election day.
This is not a conspiracy theory, this is not election denihilism.
This is about basic protection. Seventy eighty percent of the
American people support them, so we're going to get those
in place. The second thing we're going to do is
we're going to be in a room. You have to
be in a room when people are voting. You have
to be in a room when people are counting the votes.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Who's in the room. I'm curious about all that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So we are recruiting right now one hundred thousand volunteers
all across the country.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
If people listening to us want to do.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That, Protect the vote dot com Protective vote dot com. Yeah,
I'm happy to sound like a used car sales Right.
Protective vote dot com. Go to the site sign up.
You have to put in your name, you have to
put in your state. Right, we will direct you to
the right state programs for it. We are recruiting one
hundred thousand people across the country. We're going to train them,
and we're going to deploy them to be observers on
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election day and throughout early voting. And then we are
also recruiting attorneys. I want five hundred attorneys in every
battleground state that are going to be there whenever an
issue is raised and brought up. This is the program
that I put in place as a state party chair
in North Carolina in twenty twenty. I started it in
twenty nineteen before anybody was even talking about election integrity,
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and it worked. And so that's the program we're building
out all across this country. I can tell you this,
every single conversation that I have with President Trump, we
talk about election integrity. He wants to know how this
program is coming, and he wants to know that we
are putting everything in place to make sure what happened
in twenty doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
One big part as well as election integrity is getting
people to vote early, which is different than twenty twenty.
And it's fine. I know a lot of you I
probably will be a day of voter. I like to
go in on election day. I know people do. But
for people out there who are listening, how does it
help you if they bank their votes early compared to
if they sometimes wait, things can happen, you might not
(07:33):
be able to go on election day. What would you
encourage everybody across the nation to do in their respective states.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Sure, so, over half of all votes this cycle are
going to be cast before election day. Over half. We
have to talk to those voters before they go vote.
So we are essentially setting up a nationwide early vote
program to go out there and have those conversations. As
President Trump has said, it is great. If you want
to vote early, it's great. If you want to vote
(07:58):
by mail, it's great. If you want to vote on
election day, what you have to do have to do
is make a plan, execute the plan, and get that
vote in there.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
So we have we have set up our vote.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Program or early vote program, Trump Force forty seven, and
we want to make sure that everybody knows how to vote.
If you want to vote early, go to our website.
It'll tell you how to vote early. I'll tell you
where you can go when you can vote, Trump Force forty.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Seven, Trump Force forty seven.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And then if you want to vote on election day,
we'll tell you where your precinct is and what the
hours are and if you want to vote by mail,
We'll give you a link so that you can go
get an absentee ballot and you can you can figure out.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
How to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So we're all about options at this point, and it
is really important for us because there are people who
can't vote on election day.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I can't vote on election day.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't know where I'm going to be, right, I
vote on the first day of early voting for everything.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You're sick or you got kids, and you got a
day like you can go ahead and back you're.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Votely, right.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So so but the key is, you know, we're focus
on making sure that everybody comes up with a plan.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
We know we've got voters, We've got people who will
crawl across broken glass to vote for Donald Trump. Right,
We're going to get them out. But it's not enough
for them to vote. We want them to be ambassadors.
We want them to go out and talk to other voters,
and we want them to get low propensity voters in
and we want them to be ambassadors for us as
we're moving out.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
So we're speaking here to the Chairman of the RNC,
Michael Wadley, And you know, I come from an intelligence
officer background, right and counterintelligence training. What is the other
side doing? How would they do it? Very important part
of being good at your job, right knowing Democrats are
going to rely on what and where to try to
(09:42):
just get the votes as they need them. You know,
where do they think currently? Is it in Pennsylvania with
early vote? Is it in Michigan with you I don't know.
You know what are some of the areas where you
think they have an advantage and you are working to
close that gap right now.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Fortunately, we're playing offense right now. Donald Trump's playing offense
across the country. If you think about the seven battleground
states that decided sixteen and twenty, right, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. Right, those are the seven
states we're leading in all seven in the polls right now.
We're also moving Minnesota, New Hampshire and Virginia, three states
(10:18):
that we have not won in decades, all of a sudden,
very very competitive. We doing registered voters in PA, We're
doing great. I mean we have seen a solid uptick
in registered voting. We have closed the gap with the Democrats,
not entirely, but significantly as we've been moving forward and
we feel better every day. You know, we're leading two
to three points right now in Pennsylvania. I've talked to
(10:41):
the guys that ran Pennsylvania for us in twenty sixteen.
They said, we're going to win. We feel pretty comfortable
about that. But you know, Philadelphia is tough, right We
got to make sure that our election integrity programs in
Philadelphia are going to be tough. So we're playing offense
right now. You know, if you're the Democrats, what.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Do you think they're trying to catch up with your tho?
Speaker 6 (11:00):
They absolutely are, you know, in our free fall right now.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They're spending money on a black coalition trying to mobilize
black voters for Joe Biden. They're spending money on a
Hispanic coalition. They're spending money on a women's coalition. The
fact that they're having to spend money to go out
there and play defense tells you a lot about where
they are.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
How challenging last question for you, how challenging is it?
As we're sitting here right now, there is an eighty
seven percent chance in the odds market today. The numbers
keep going up that Joe Biden's not going to be
the nominee When you're basically trying to plan for a
boxing match and you don't know who you're boxing against.
Does that make it more challenging for you guys in
terms of getting your message out? Or is the opponent
(11:40):
secondary to the message that you think needs to get out.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So I think we'll wait and see on a tactical
level who that nominee is going to be, and we're
going to assume it's Joe Biden until it's not.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
But from a strategic.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Standpoint, there's not a big shift because if you look
at the policies that Joe Biden has implemented, inflationary policy
that have caused gas prices and grocery prices and housing
prices to all go through the roof, Key in this
campaign has doubled down on every one of them. You
talk about the open border policies, ten million illegal immigrants
that have come across the border. He has doubled down
(12:14):
on every single one of those policies, weakening America's standing
across the country by weakening our military. He's doubled down
on every one of them. But it's not just Joe Biden.
They don't just have a messenger problem. They got a
message problem because Kamala Harris is going to adopt every
single one of those platforms. Gaven Newsen would adopt every
one of those platforms, Scratching Whitmer, anybody else that they
(12:36):
put up there is going to double down on the
failed policies.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Only President Trump can restore our border, restore our economy,
restore US standing in the world, and lead America into
a better era.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
R and C Chairman Widly, really appreciate you making the
time for us today and also I know it is
a miracle and a blessing this whole week. But also
congratulations to you for pulling together what has been a
really fantastic coming together of the Republican Party. And I
know some of the best is yet to come tonight,
so we're looking forward to that so much.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Well, we're glad you're here.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
We're glad that you guys are having a great time,
and really appreciate everything you're doing to get the message out.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
This is an important cause.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
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Speaker 3 (13:17):
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Speaker 5 (15:20):
We've got a bunch of guests coming up, including Speaker
of the House Mike Johnson, much to discuss on the
critical fight for control of the House Representatives, which Democrats
no matter what, are going to be really focused in
on Senate map, very tough for them. But House of
Representatives that they spend big, big money in those key races.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
But in the meantime, Clay, I'm just telling everybody right now,
some of us, some of us do not waiver so easily.
We will not surrender our beachfront property on Buck Island
just because of some headlines, A flurry of headlines an
avalanche perhaps.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I think avalanche is an accurate way it is. You know,
it's it's a little rough out there. The caees are
getting a little stormy for us.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But I will say for those who are insisting that
the end is imminent for Biden's campaign, I bring you
Molly Hemingway, one of my favorite writers, thinkers out there
in the conservative movement.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Molly's brilliant with just a great priner. Mom is a
big fan of the show. She has told us in
Colorado and now now I'm really.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Gonna go off here. I also I also love Mark Hevingway,
her husband, another great thinker and a great dude. But
she tweeted this out.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
If Biden were truly going along with his coup plotters
to resign quickly.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Would Schumer, Pelosi, etc.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Be leaking to allied media like they are, or would
they be quietly stage managing a dignified exit and our
own Julie Kelly, who we have on so frequently, Clay
adds in here, I'm still in the diminishing minority who
thinks he stays put Julie Molly, we will never surrender
on Buck Island. We will never give in until we're
(16:57):
actually wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It does feel like I think it's fair to say
that they were trying to meaning Pelosi, meaning Schumer, meaning Obama,
all of the Democrat Party big wigs. They were all
trying to avoid having to go public with this. But
NBC News just came out with a story, and you
are correct that there definitely is a pressure associated with this.
(17:21):
And I was just reading this headline to you as
we get ready to go to break and by the way,
we're scheduled to be joined back a couple since start
was something that I've known for a long time, and
I knew it back when I was very tied in
at CNN and knew what was going on there. Clay,
do you know who Kamala Harris's number one constituency is
liberal media executives.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh certainly, I think that's very absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
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joined now by Senator Tommy Tuberville, also coach Tommy Tuberfelle.
I said, I told your your assistant here, Mallory, who
was awesome. I said, I mean, I'm a telcoach. Early on,
(19:08):
it's SEC media days. You and I have cross paths
a bunch of years down to SEC media days. Would
you rather which is more fun? Which is easier? Republican
National Convention or SEC Media Days which are right now
as we speak going on in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Well, SEC Media Days. That's fun?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, Yeah, he's here to save the country.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
That's what the R is about. Well, I tell people
that's fun. This is life or death, Okay, it is
really is. If you think about the direction this country
is going, We've got huge problems and very little answers
from the left. So that's the reason we're trying to
push our our our group to hopefully take over the reins.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
It looks like we've got a good shot of unified
government here, given the direction of everything, all the polls
and all the rest of it. How I understand we
don't celebrate early, but how are you feeling about it
right now? And what are you think has to be
done to to uh run it into the end zone?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Well, you know, I've I've been trying to help senators
get elected. President Trump will take care of its own.
I plaguing a lot of golf with him, and and uh, you're.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Helping by playing golf with him.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
He's good.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
But yeah, yeah, but yet at the end of the day,
we don't get the Senate, he won't he'll be in
peached within six months. Yeah, they'll they'll jerky him out.
So what we we've got it is we've got to
get the majority of the Senate and I think we
will hopefully well keep the majority in the House and
then if we get President Trump and we can get
something done. But I'll tell you what, we'll have a
government that will be stalled out if we don't get
(20:34):
all three of them.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Who should be Senate majority leader if you take the Senate.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Back, Well, I think it's what's going to happen is
we've got about six or seven people that could be
new coming in that's going to have opportunity to vote. Uh,
I'd like to get somebody.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That maybe new.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Uh you know, I was was for Jade events, putting
his hat in the ring for that.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Of course, now it's he's.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Got another job.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
But we've got some good young people uh in there.
I tell you what, Eric Smith is really good out
of Missouri. You know Ted Budd from North Carolina. It's
we've gotten away from a lot of the old regime
and getting more new people in there. I'm excited about it.
I'm more excited now than when I first went in.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So as you look here percent it three and a
half months out from the election. You mentioned you want
to Senate majority. Who were you optimistic about for people
out there listening to nationwide? Where do you think obviously,
pick up in West Virginia gets us to fifty to fifty?
Are you optimistic about Ohio? Montana? Who have you seen
and you said, boy, this guy or this guy they
really have a shout?
Speaker 8 (21:37):
Well, Larry Hogan is up in Maryland. Who'd have thought, right,
this is totally democratic state? But he was governor there
well liked. I think he's got a chance. Know that
a lot of water under the bridge between now and
then and then Bernie Marino and Ohio. I think he's leading. Yeah,
and that one I don't know about Pennsylvania. I think
(21:58):
a lot of these are going to go in line
with isn't Trump? And that's reason it's so important to
get on the ticket with a guy like President Trump.
I think Carry Lake's go win. Everybody's got hurt now,
it's not gonna not gonna win. Oh, this guy is
a communist. Yes, she's running against come home.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I mean, you don't have to sell us no communist, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, what would be top of the agenda if you could,
if you have your your you'll have to say, certainly.
But if you got your pick coming into again, just
to assume we have a Republican majority of House, Senate
and Donald Trump in the Oval office, what would you
want to see get done in terms of major legislation
year one?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Well, first of all, if you've got all three three,
you've got reconciliation.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
Reconciliation is something that it only takes fifty one votes
to pass something in the Senate normally.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
And in the Senate normally it takes sixty votes. But
you've got several things that you can pass with reconciliation
with fifty one votes. And so President Trump's first year
is going to be huge because he's only got four
and once you get past that second one, it's going
to be very, very tough. But if we've, if somehow
can get all three stages of the of the government,
(23:14):
then we'll have a great opportunity. But you know, we
have got to start cutting back on this debt.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
We are printing eighty thousand dollars a second right now,
keeping this country afloat. We can't do that, and our
kids are going to be overwhelmed by the debt and
high prices just in the very near future Saturday.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
By God's grace, President Trump is spared, right. But I
know that you guys in the Senate have been trying
to figure out how in the world did that Secret
Service head allow this to happen? How troubled are you
by the fact that that guy got a shot on Trump? Yeah,
and the fact that they're you know this I've been
talking about on the show for a long time. Football
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coaches are held to a higher job standard than a
secret service. We're getting stuff backwards when that's the reality.
She should I bet you agree get fired. But how
in the world is that ever allowed to have happened
in the first place.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Hey, let me tell you. You know, I'm a common sense guy.
I'm not a politician. You know, I came from a
structured environment. For the last thirty five years. I've never
seen so inconfident people in my life. That's what we
have on the Democratic side in Washington, d C. It
is embarrassing. The people that come through are building in
terms of being nominated and getting their nomination through. I mean,
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these people have no business being running our country. Now,
this lady, I don't know her, but I will tell
you this. Yesterday about this time, we had a conference
call with her. First thing, she says, and tries to
push over all of US Democrat and Republican Senator. She says,
first of all, this was a failure of assassination.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Stop.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Once that trigger was pulled, you you.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Should be fired, okay, because that's what you do.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You can't rely on the bad aim of impact.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
If the guy happened to miss because Trump turned his
head is not a saving grace.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
So, as we've been discussing, Senator, it would be still unacceptable,
But certainly I think there'd be a somewhat different feeling
if it was an incredibly complicated plot taken on by
trained assassins from distance doing something that wouldn't be expected.
This was some lunatic twenty year old with no real
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training that anybody knows about, doing the most obvious thing
possible to try to kill a presidential candidate, and he
almost pulled it off.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
And walking around thirty to forty minutes beforehand, people are
recognizing climbing on top of a building. What in the
world is going on. But there's going to be a
huge fight here with local police and Secret.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Service over who's to blame. They're going to try to
blame chef.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Local police said, listen, y'all put us in charge of
traffic and parking.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, so what we got to do with a shooter?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I mean, look, I think I think it's a situation
where the buck stops with the Secret Service. I don't
think you can get around that. No matter what the
local law enforcement role.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Was, he is the guy that's in charge all this is.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
But Joe Biden, he's fired one guy, and that was
the guy Stephen Luggage out of airports, putting dresses and
starting what comes first.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Time doing that. No, can't have it. I think I
got him.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The hell do we have guys who are still in
dresses and positions of power in the Biden administration dudes
in the first place. But you're right, the only person
that's gotten fired.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Yeah, non binary energy official before the sun went down.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
After that, she should have been fired.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
And of course there's nobody running the zoo up there
right now. Joe Biden, he's he he doesn't know what
day it is, so he's not gonna fire anybody.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
One thing you get the sense of, I think, Senator,
is that when it comes to a lot of these
agencies and look I used to working when I was
in the CIA. Uh, there's if you look at the
donations for example, I mean I can think of the
Hillary Clinton Donald Trump year, overwhelmingly civil.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Service donations go to Democrats.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
It just feels like you can't really separate that from
this has become within the federal bureaucracy. Not only is
it larger, more powerful, more expensive than ever before, there's
no accountability. There's none whatsoever, as long as you're on
the right side politically, which is the Democrats side.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
And I keep hearing, oh man, we're gonna have House
hearings next week, We're gonna have Senate hearings. They don't
mean a damn thing. Okay, you can get somebody to
just get up there. Absolutely lied to you. Nothing's gonna happen.
It's got to go back to the person at top
that's got to hold people accountable for their job.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But nobody is Washington, d C.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Is a cluster. It is an absolute cluster. We got
way too many bureaucrats, way too many people at work
in the federal government. Nobody's accountable. Do what you want
to do. Half the people, I'd say eighty percent of
the people in Washington, d C. Then been to work
because it's COVID They work from home. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Crazy?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, we can't run a country like this.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Senator Tuberville, I'm glad you're here with us, but I
know that you're missing college football, but you're fighting to
save the country. We'll talk to you again so.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Way, But I need to know which which which game?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
As a devoted War Eagle fan, which game this year
do I have to go? Have Clay take me to
see because he can get into all these this year.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
For the first time in the history of Auburn, Oklahoma
comes to town. I think it's like the second or
third game that would be a that's good. You know,
I don't know whether Oklahoma's going to be any good,
but they've still got the name. I think they've really
dropped over the last you know, ten years. Bob Stoops
had it really going and they bring Lincoln Rally in
and he kind of run the gamut and run everything
out of it. But at the end of the day,
you know, for us, you know, the new people playing
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each other, Texas going to Georgia and I don't even
know whether they played them or not. But the new
rivalries are their rivalries are what made college football. And
I hope the heck we don't ruin.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Him Clay while he's here. I forget all that role
type stuff. War Eagle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Careful going into Alabama taking both the equation?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah really?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Oh yes, sir, the Rock Office two thousand and five
to twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Good. Yeah, well, we might call you back up.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It's funny you bring that up.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Actually, A couple of people have about questions at the
high level anyway. I know we got to I know,
we have so many fun people to talk to. Team,
We'll get right back to said, honestly, great to see you,
Thank you so much. Look, I'm getting back down to
after this RNC. I'll be down in South Florida and
I've already got it set up with my brother.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
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the range. It's been a while, haven't been.
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Speaker 3 (31:01):
All right, welcome in here, my friends.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
We got Bridge Colby with us, former senior Trump, Pentagon
Official Marathon Initiative principle, and just a super smart guy.
Yesterday was National Security Day. What's the biggest national security
challenge that you see for let's assume an incoming Trump administration,
I mean, the biggest one that you think needs to
get the most attention.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, great to be with you, guys.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
It's got to be China and I think that was
underscored in the platform, and we've seen it from both
President Trump, Center Vance and others. But also I think
the overall bucket would be kind of this injection of
common sense America first, thinking like right now, you know,
Joe Biden hands out commitments and new you know, security
obligations like their candy, and there's no backup, there's no reindustrialization,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That's kind of the metapoint.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
We got to focus on the biggest challenge to America
from abroad, which is China.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
We've got to have the basis to do so, too. Well,
what do we do though, Like what's the best way
to handle China?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Because one thing I do know is that the Trump
challenging of China that even the right was a little
bit opposed to in twenty sixteen has now at least
infused itself somewhat into a bipartisan or more bipartisan view
of what the China threat is.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Totally.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
But my concern is, and I think you see it
from Biden people, it's largely superficial. And that's why it's
so important that the platform is emphasizing the reindustrialization. Center
Vance always says Why are we in a position where
we're about to fight a war with China and we
get all our stuff made in China. Why don't we
have our stuff made at home and we don't get
in the war with China from a position of peace
true strengths, as he said, So, I think that's the
key way, because we got to be able to produce
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stuff at scale to allow our forces to be so
frightening that they don't get challenged, but also that our
friends and allies like Israel, Poland South Korea, India, that
they can fight their battles too, and we can back
them up.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Trump wins. What does it mean to Ukraine Russia piece?
I know you've been writing about this and what the
role is of Europe in that, but also, as you
just mentioned, what does it mean in Israel? Do you
believe that that piece through strength concept will apply? What
would you expect to see in the early stages of
a Trump foreign policy administration as it pertains to those issues.
Speaker 9 (32:57):
Well, look, I don't speak for the campaign just to emphasize,
but I think and Trump's been very clear that he's
going to try to make peace, and I fully support that. Obviously,
there's the Ukrainians are going to have to be armed,
and I think that's totally right. But as he said
in his true social posts, and as Senor Vance has
said repeatedly, that's got to be on the Europeans.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That makes sense.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
We don't have, like you know, endless amounts of weapons
and money to give away. We got to focus on China.
So I think that's a reasonable basis. And I was
actually just telling a bunch of German you know, politicians
and elite types earlier today and over the last couple
of days.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Look, the message is clear.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
It's what Center Vance said the Munich Security Conference, which
is you got to step up. Meantime, the German government's
actually cutting Ukraine AID, it's not fulfilling its own defense obligations.
It's clear as day that the only way this alligance
system is going to survive. If you want a strong
America is for our allies to step up. And that's
what the Trump Fans Campaign to Meet is saying very clearly.
If you want to end America's international role, you follow
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the Biden approach, which is going to send us right
into the Iceberg. I think in the case of Israel,
we got to back them. I think, as both the
President and sender Vance have said, we got to back
them and try to get this situation wrapped up. What
the Biden people are doing is they put their hands
into them, always holding them back, always in their business,
and then not providing the support. I think that's got
to change. Putting pressure and economic sanctions, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
On Iran.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
What does a Trumps success year one with Ukraine look like?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
End state?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Right, he's said, I'll end it, Okay, what does that
look like?
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Well, look, I think this is typical President Eisenaw he
ran fifty two, Nixon, sixty eight, Reagan and eighty. You
don't tell exactly what your playbook is. I think we
know what the goal is. You know, we're not expecting
peace on Earth flowers popping up over the but I
think it would be great if you could get to
at least a cease fire or something like it. Again,
I don't know what he's got, exactly what he's going
to want.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
You think, what do you think a success would look like?
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Well, I think a success where Ukraine is basically well armed,
can defend itself. I think what President Trump and sender
Vans have been saying, is we got to base this
on reality, and you can't say, oh, the Russians are
going to disappear, Ukraine's going to get you know, crimea back,
et cetera. That kind of like wishful thinking combined with
weakness is how we got to this praise. And I
would say, frankly, another thing is avoiding World War three,
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because I think on this President Trump's right to emphasize this.
The Chinese are preparing for war. If we can get
peace in the next year, that would be pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
What's the appropriate response for what's going on as you
just mentioned with China and potentially Taiwan if Trump is
in office, ye come January. Well, look, I think President
Trump was right in Bloomberg to say this is a
really tough problem. I mean, I think, and this is
something I've been trying to communicate to the Taiwanese. They've
got to take their self defense more seriously. They're spending
less than three percent. They got to spend ten percent,
and we should have been focusing our resources, as Senator
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Vance has been saying. Ultimately that's a presidential decision, but
I think it's the obligation of our security establishment and
Taiwan to give us the best basis as possible. I
think it's a two track approach, which is real peace
through strength. It's strength focusing our resources and our industrial
capability on China so they see the shield, but at
the same time an openness to a modus vendi. And
when I hear President Trump saying I'm open to talks
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with Cijenping, a lot of people criticize, and I'm saying, hey,
we want to avoid a war. We got to be
played both sides of this toughness but also an openness
to avoid World War three.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Bridge. Where can folks go to follow the rest of
your work?
Speaker 9 (35:56):
You can follow me on Twitter at Elbert Krolby or
x in my book The Strategy of Denial, American Defense
and Age of Great Power Conflict.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And if you're a you know, deputy do O D chief,
will you give us a cool tour of the Pentagon?
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Well, I make no presumptions out of I'd be honored
to serve. I'm just always happy to talk to you guys,
always happy to get out.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
If i'm dog catcher, I'll.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Just get us in.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You would be a little bit more fun for us,
right if we got to I'm just happy to support
the ticket.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Honestly, it's so exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
No, it's been a great week for all Bridge Cole'd
be great to see you, man, Thanks for making the
time for us.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Thanks gentlemen. Up next, Speaker of the House. We have
got Mike Johnson scheduled to swing in and join us.
Also Senator Bill Haggerty, And we mentioned a whole COVID
is speaking tonight. How about Glenn Jacobs mayor up in Knoxville.
All that and more coming your way. Final Hour Thursday,
Welcome in our number two Thursday edition Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. We are rolling through the program here as
we prepare for Donald Trump's official speech tonight. Hulk Cogan
is going to be there. I imagine there will be
some other festivities. Dana White. For those of you out
there that are combat sports fans, we bring in now
our NC Chairman Michael Wattley and just off the top
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four even start with the questions. You guys have organized
this in a flawless manner. I mean, everything has gone,
it seems to me to plan the city of Milwaukee.
Everybody has been fantastic setting it up. So great job
by you guys, which I know is no small measure
to get this thing organized.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
No huge project, huge team. You know, we've been on
the ground for eighteen months, We've been fully built out
from our perspective for over a year. Milwaukee has been
great and the arena is fantastic. The mechanics of this
convention have been awesome. But you cannot undervalue how great
these speakers have been. You know how great the messaging
(01:01):
has been. And what we're trying to do to convey
to everybody across the country is we are talking to
every American family, and we're hearing from real American voices.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, so Saturday, almost the worst day in fifty years
in America, Trump by an inch avoids assassination. I'm sure
you were watching like we were, like everybody all over
the nation listening to us right now.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Was.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Would there have been a Republican national convention at all? If,
by the grace of God this week, if Trump had
not happened to turn his head an inch, what would
have happened if that awful event had actually come to
the fruition as the shooter hoped.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't think there's any way that we would have
gone forward. I don't think there's any way that we
could have gone forward. And when we talk about what
happened on Saturday, there's really a couple things that come
to mind. First off, this is a miracle. This is
an absolute miracle. You know, some people have said, oh,
it was luck. It's not luck. This is this is
a miracle that he is still alive. And I think
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that the second thing is you need to stop and
you need to step back and reflect on this campaign,
in this election cycle in light of what just happened.
You know, and it's not just the fact that the
president was shot. There were three other people that were shot.
One of them lost their lives. Yes, and because they
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were at a political rally, you know that that really
I don't think that there's been enough time and effort
thought about, oh my god, where are we at in
our politics across America?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And and I think that you know, as President Trump
was going from the event to the hospital. While he
was at the hospital, his concern was for the other people.
His concern was for the other people who got shot.
His concern was for everybody else who was at the arena.
He was not concerned for himself. And then when we
when we talked, it was I'll be there. Sure everybody's ready,
(03:01):
make sure everything is good to go, but I'm coming.
And not only am I coming. He wasn't supposed to
be here till today. Yeah, he said I'll be there tomorrow,
you know. And I think that that sends a signal.
You know what when he stood up and the Secret
Service was trying to duck him down and move him
out there, and he put his fist up and let
America know, I'm okay. That's a signal. And when when
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we got word Saturday night he's coming. I think that
that sends a signal, you know, And when you step
back and reflect on this election cycle and why he's running,
it is really truly because he cares about America and
he's going to fight for America every day.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Certainly, the mission now for Trump, for the RNC is
to have the best outcome possible in this election.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We all know that we This is not a surprise
to you.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I'm sure as the head of the RNC, we get
calls every day and have for years about what is
being done to make sure that there are no shenanigans.
I guess would be the polite work we're on radio.
There's no nonsense, no bs, no, none of that. What
is being done to make sure that election integrity will
(04:11):
be something that every honest Republican after this election can
look at and say, all right, at least we know
that only valid legal votes were counted, and they were
counted properly.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So, right when I took over as the chair and
Laura Trump, who is our great co chair, took over,
had breakfast with the President and we were talking. He said,
all right, Michael, what's the plan? How are we going
to win. And I said, sir, we are going to
do two things right. The RNC tends to do a
lot of things, we're not. We're going to eliminate everything else.
We're going to focus on two critical missions. We're going
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to get out the vote and we're going to protect
the ballot. I mean, we have been at the RNC
a get out the vote machine for decades. We're really
really good at contacting voters, phone calls, door knocks, mail,
all that stuff to get people to go vote. But
we've never done election integrity before. We were under a
court order for forty years that we couldn't do it.
So when that got lifted, then we went into the
(05:04):
twenty twenty cycle. I'll say this, what happened in twenty
twenty cannot ever happen again. So my highest priority right
now is building out the first ever national election integrity program.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
So what does that mean? It means two things.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
One, in every state, we want the right rules of
the road in place. We want the right laws, rules, regulations.
We want only American citizens voting. We want voter ID.
We want states to clean up their voter rules. States
that are going to do mail or absentee balloting. You
need basic protections in place, like signature requirements, witness requirements.
We want those ballots in a mailbox, not a dropbox,
(05:39):
and we want all those mallets in by election day.
This is not a conspiracy theory, this is not election denihilism.
This is about basic protection. Seventy eighty percent of the
American people support them, so we're going to get those
in place. The second thing we're going to do is
we're going to be in a room. You have to
be in a room when people are voting. You have
to be in a room when people are counting the votes.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Who's in the room. I'm curious about all that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So we are recruiting right now one hundred thousand volunteers
all across the country.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
If people listening to us want to do.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That, Protect the vote dot com Protective vote dot com. Yeah,
I'm happy to sound like a used car sales Right.
Protective vote dot com. Go to the site sign up.
You have to put in your name, you have to
put in your state. Right, we will direct you to
the right state programs for it. We are recruiting one
hundred thousand people across the country. We're going to train them,
and we're going to deploy them to be observers on
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election day and throughout early voting. And then we are
also recruiting attorneys. I want five hundred attorneys in every
battleground state that are going to be there whenever an
issue is raised and brought up. This is the program
that I put in place as a state party chair
in North Carolina in twenty twenty. I started it in
twenty nineteen before anybody was even talking about election integrity,
(06:51):
and it worked. And so that's the program we're building
out all across this country. I can tell you this,
every single conversation that I have with President Trump, we
talk about election integrity. He wants to know how this
program is coming, and he wants to know that we
are putting everything in place to make sure what happened
in twenty doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
One big part as well as election integrity is getting
people to vote early, which is different than twenty twenty.
And it's fine. I know a lot of you I
probably will be a day of voter. I like to
go in on election day. I know people do. But
for people out there who are listening, how does it
help you if they bank their votes early compared to
if they sometimes wait, things can happen, you might not
(07:33):
be able to go on election day. What would you
encourage everybody across the nation to do in their respective states.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Sure, so, over half of all votes this cycle are
going to be cast before election day. Over half. We
have to talk to those voters before they go vote.
So we are essentially setting up a nationwide early vote
program to go out there and have those conversations. As
President Trump has said, it is great. If you want
to vote early, it's great. If you want to vote
(07:58):
by mail, it's great. If you want to vote on
election day, what you have to do have to do
is make a plan, execute the plan, and get that
vote in there.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
So we have we have set up our vote.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Program or early vote program, Trump Force forty seven, and
we want to make sure that everybody knows how to vote.
If you want to vote early, go to our website.
It'll tell you how to vote early. I'll tell you
where you can go when you can vote, Trump Force forty.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Seven, Trump Force forty seven.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And then if you want to vote on election day,
we'll tell you where your precinct is and what the
hours are and if you want to vote by mail,
We'll give you a link so that you can go
get an absentee ballot and you can you can figure out.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
How to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So we're all about options at this point, and it
is really important for us because there are people who
can't vote on election day.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I can't vote on election day.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't know where I'm going to be, right, I
vote on the first day of early voting for everything.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You're sick or you got kids, and you got a
day like you can go ahead and back you're.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Votely, right.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So so but the key is, you know, we're focus
on making sure that everybody comes up with a plan.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
We know we've got voters, We've got people who will
crawl across broken glass to vote for Donald Trump. Right,
We're going to get them out. But it's not enough
for them to vote. We want them to be ambassadors.
We want them to go out and talk to other voters,
and we want them to get low propensity voters in
and we want them to be ambassadors for us as
we're moving out.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
So we're speaking here to the Chairman of the RNC,
Michael Wadley, And you know, I come from an intelligence
officer background, right and counterintelligence training. What is the other
side doing? How would they do it? Very important part
of being good at your job, right knowing Democrats are
going to rely on what and where to try to
(09:42):
just get the votes as they need them. You know,
where do they think currently? Is it in Pennsylvania with
early vote? Is it in Michigan with you I don't know.
You know what are some of the areas where you
think they have an advantage and you are working to
close that gap right now.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Fortunately, we're playing offense right now. Donald Trump's playing offense
across the country. If you think about the seven battleground
states that decided sixteen and twenty, right, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. Right, those are the seven
states we're leading in all seven in the polls right now.
We're also moving Minnesota, New Hampshire and Virginia, three states
(10:18):
that we have not won in decades, all of a sudden,
very very competitive. We doing registered voters in PA, We're
doing great. I mean we have seen a solid uptick
in registered voting. We have closed the gap with the Democrats,
not entirely, but significantly as we've been moving forward and
we feel better every day. You know, we're leading two
to three points right now in Pennsylvania. I've talked to
(10:41):
the guys that ran Pennsylvania for us in twenty sixteen.
They said, we're going to win. We feel pretty comfortable
about that. But you know, Philadelphia is tough, right We
got to make sure that our election integrity programs in
Philadelphia are going to be tough. So we're playing offense
right now. You know, if you're the Democrats, what.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Do you think they're trying to catch up with your tho?
Speaker 6 (11:00):
They absolutely are, you know, in our free fall right now.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They're spending money on a black coalition trying to mobilize
black voters for Joe Biden. They're spending money on a
Hispanic coalition. They're spending money on a women's coalition. The
fact that they're having to spend money to go out
there and play defense tells you a lot about where
they are.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
How challenging last question for you, how challenging is it?
As we're sitting here right now, there is an eighty
seven percent chance in the odds market today. The numbers
keep going up that Joe Biden's not going to be
the nominee When you're basically trying to plan for a
boxing match and you don't know who you're boxing against.
Does that make it more challenging for you guys in
terms of getting your message out? Or is the opponent
(11:40):
secondary to the message that you think needs to get out.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So I think we'll wait and see on a tactical
level who that nominee is going to be, and we're
going to assume it's Joe Biden until it's not.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
But from a strategic.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Standpoint, there's not a big shift because if you look
at the policies that Joe Biden has implemented, inflationary policy
that have caused gas prices and grocery prices and housing
prices to all go through the roof, Key in this
campaign has doubled down on every one of them. You
talk about the open border policies, ten million illegal immigrants
that have come across the border. He has doubled down
(12:14):
on every single one of those policies, weakening America's standing
across the country by weakening our military. He's doubled down
on every one of them. But it's not just Joe Biden.
They don't just have a messenger problem. They got a
message problem because Kamala Harris is going to adopt every
single one of those platforms. Gaven Newsen would adopt every
one of those platforms, Scratching Whitmer, anybody else that they
(12:36):
put up there is going to double down on the
failed policies.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Only President Trump can restore our border, restore our economy,
restore US standing in the world, and lead America into
a better era.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
R and C Chairman Widly, really appreciate you making the
time for us today and also I know it is
a miracle and a blessing this whole week. But also
congratulations to you for pulling together what has been a
really fantastic coming together of the Republican Party. And I
know some of the best is yet to come tonight,
so we're looking forward to that so much.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Well, we're glad you're here.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
We're glad that you guys are having a great time,
and really appreciate everything you're doing to get the message out.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
This is an important cause.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
You know we're hearing all these Biden advisors behind closed
doors saying yeah, Noah, no.
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Speaker 3 (15:19):
Welcome back here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
We've got a bunch of guests coming up, including Speaker
of the House Mike Johnson, much to discuss on the
critical fight for control of the House Representatives, which Democrats
no matter what, are going to be really focused in
on Senate map, very tough for them. But House of
Representatives that they spend big, big money in those key races.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
But in the meantime, Clay, I'm just telling everybody right now,
some of us, some of us do not waiver so easily.
We will not surrender our beachfront property on Buck Island
just because of some headlines, A flurry of headlines an
avalanche perhaps.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I think avalanche is an accurate way it is. You know,
it's it's a little rough out there. The caees are
getting a little stormy for us.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But I will say for those who are insisting that
the end is imminent for Biden's campaign, I bring you
Molly Hemingway, one of my favorite writers, thinkers out there
in the conservative movement.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Molly's brilliant with just a great priner. Mom is a
big fan of the show. She has told us in
Colorado and now now I'm really.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Gonna go off here. I also I also love Mark Hevingway,
her husband, another great thinker and a great dude. But
she tweeted this out.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
If Biden were truly going along with his coup plotters
to resign quickly.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Would Schumer, Pelosi, etc.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Be leaking to allied media like they are, or would
they be quietly stage managing a dignified exit and our
own Julie Kelly, who we have on so frequently, Clay
adds in here, I'm still in the diminishing minority who
thinks he stays put Julie Molly, we will never surrender
on Buck Island. We will never give in until we're
(16:57):
actually wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It does feel like I think it's fair to say
that they were trying to meaning Pelosi, meaning Schumer, meaning Obama,
all of the Democrat Party big wigs. They were all
trying to avoid having to go public with this. But
NBC News just came out with a story, and you
are correct that there definitely is a pressure associated with this.
(17:21):
And I was just reading this headline to you as
we get ready to go to break and by the way,
we're scheduled to be joined back a couple since start
was something that I've known for a long time, and
I knew it back when I was very tied in
at CNN and knew what was going on there. Clay,
do you know who Kamala Harris's number one constituency is
liberal media executives.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh certainly, I think that's very absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
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joined now by Senator Tommy Tuberville, also coach Tommy Tuberfelle.
I said, I told your your assistant here, Mallory, who
was awesome. I said, I mean, I'm a telcoach. Early on,
(19:08):
it's SEC media days. You and I have cross paths
a bunch of years down to SEC media days. Would
you rather which is more fun? Which is easier? Republican
National Convention or SEC Media Days which are right now
as we speak going on in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Well, SEC Media Days. That's fun?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, Yeah, he's here to save the country.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
That's what the R is about. Well, I tell people
that's fun. This is life or death, Okay, it is
really is. If you think about the direction this country
is going, We've got huge problems and very little answers
from the left. So that's the reason we're trying to
push our our our group to hopefully take over the reins.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
It looks like we've got a good shot of unified
government here, given the direction of everything, all the polls
and all the rest of it. How I understand we
don't celebrate early, but how are you feeling about it
right now? And what are you think has to be
done to to uh run it into the end zone?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Well, you know, I've I've been trying to help senators
get elected. President Trump will take care of its own.
I plaguing a lot of golf with him, and and uh, you're.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Helping by playing golf with him.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
He's good.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
But yeah, yeah, but yet at the end of the day,
we don't get the Senate, he won't he'll be in
peached within six months. Yeah, they'll they'll jerky him out.
So what we we've got it is we've got to
get the majority of the Senate and I think we
will hopefully well keep the majority in the House and
then if we get President Trump and we can get
something done. But I'll tell you what, we'll have a
government that will be stalled out if we don't get
(20:34):
all three of them.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Who should be Senate majority leader if you take the Senate.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Back, Well, I think it's what's going to happen is
we've got about six or seven people that could be
new coming in that's going to have opportunity to vote. Uh,
I'd like to get somebody.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That maybe new.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Uh you know, I was was for Jade events, putting
his hat in the ring for that.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Of course, now it's he's.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Got another job.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
But we've got some good young people uh in there.
I tell you what, Eric Smith is really good out
of Missouri. You know Ted Budd from North Carolina. It's
we've gotten away from a lot of the old regime
and getting more new people in there. I'm excited about it.
I'm more excited now than when I first went in.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
So as you look here percent it three and a
half months out from the election. You mentioned you want
to Senate majority. Who were you optimistic about for people
out there listening to nationwide? Where do you think obviously,
pick up in West Virginia gets us to fifty to fifty?
Are you optimistic about Ohio? Montana? Who have you seen
and you said, boy, this guy or this guy they
really have a shout?
Speaker 8 (21:37):
Well, Larry Hogan is up in Maryland. Who'd have thought, right,
this is totally democratic state? But he was governor there
well liked. I think he's got a chance. Know that
a lot of water under the bridge between now and
then and then Bernie Marino and Ohio. I think he's leading. Yeah,
and that one I don't know about Pennsylvania. I think
(21:58):
a lot of these are going to go in line
with isn't Trump? And that's reason it's so important to
get on the ticket with a guy like President Trump.
I think Carry Lake's go win. Everybody's got hurt now,
it's not gonna not gonna win. Oh, this guy is
a communist. Yes, she's running against come home.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I mean, you don't have to sell us no communist, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, what would be top of the agenda if you could,
if you have your your you'll have to say, certainly.
But if you got your pick coming into again, just
to assume we have a Republican majority of House, Senate
and Donald Trump in the Oval office, what would you
want to see get done in terms of major legislation
year one?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Well, first of all, if you've got all three three,
you've got reconciliation.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
Reconciliation is something that it only takes fifty one votes
to pass something in the Senate normally.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
And in the Senate normally it takes sixty votes. But
you've got several things that you can pass with reconciliation
with fifty one votes. And so President Trump's first year
is going to be huge because he's only got four
and once you get past that second one, it's going
to be very, very tough. But if we've, if somehow
can get all three stages of the of the government,
(23:14):
then we'll have a great opportunity. But you know, we
have got to start cutting back on this debt.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
We are printing eighty thousand dollars a second right now,
keeping this country afloat. We can't do that, and our
kids are going to be overwhelmed by the debt and
high prices just in the very near future Saturday.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
By God's grace, President Trump is spared, right. But I
know that you guys in the Senate have been trying
to figure out how in the world did that Secret
Service head allow this to happen? How troubled are you
by the fact that that guy got a shot on Trump? Yeah,
and the fact that they're you know this I've been
talking about on the show for a long time. Football
(23:56):
coaches are held to a higher job standard than a
secret service. We're getting stuff backwards when that's the reality.
She should I bet you agree get fired. But how
in the world is that ever allowed to have happened
in the first place.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Hey, let me tell you. You know, I'm a common sense guy.
I'm not a politician. You know, I came from a
structured environment. For the last thirty five years. I've never
seen so inconfident people in my life. That's what we
have on the Democratic side in Washington, d C. It
is embarrassing. The people that come through are building in
terms of being nominated and getting their nomination through. I mean,
(24:34):
these people have no business being running our country. Now,
this lady, I don't know her, but I will tell
you this. Yesterday about this time, we had a conference
call with her. First thing, she says, and tries to
push over all of US Democrat and Republican Senator. She says,
first of all, this was a failure of assassination.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Stop.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Once that trigger was pulled, you you.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Should be fired, okay, because that's what you do.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You can't rely on the bad aim of impact.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
If the guy happened to miss because Trump turned his
head is not a saving grace.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
So, as we've been discussing, Senator, it would be still unacceptable,
But certainly I think there'd be a somewhat different feeling
if it was an incredibly complicated plot taken on by
trained assassins from distance doing something that wouldn't be expected.
This was some lunatic twenty year old with no real
(25:33):
training that anybody knows about, doing the most obvious thing
possible to try to kill a presidential candidate, and he
almost pulled it off.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
And walking around thirty to forty minutes beforehand, people are
recognizing climbing on top of a building. What in the
world is going on. But there's going to be a
huge fight here with local police and Secret.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Service over who's to blame. They're going to try to
blame chef.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Local police said, listen, y'all put us in charge of
traffic and parking.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, so what we got to do with a shooter?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I mean, look, I think I think it's a situation
where the buck stops with the Secret Service. I don't
think you can get around that. No matter what the
local law enforcement role.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Was, he is the guy that's in charge all this is.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
But Joe Biden, he's fired one guy, and that was
the guy Stephen Luggage out of airports, putting dresses and
starting what comes first.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Time doing that. No, can't have it. I think I
got him.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The hell do we have guys who are still in
dresses and positions of power in the Biden administration dudes
in the first place. But you're right, the only person
that's gotten fired.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Yeah, non binary energy official before the sun went down.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
After that, she should have been fired.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
And of course there's nobody running the zoo up there
right now. Joe Biden, he's he he doesn't know what
day it is, so he's not gonna fire anybody.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
One thing you get the sense of, I think, Senator,
is that when it comes to a lot of these
agencies and look I used to working when I was
in the CIA. Uh, there's if you look at the
donations for example, I mean I can think of the
Hillary Clinton Donald Trump year, overwhelmingly civil.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Service donations go to Democrats.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
It just feels like you can't really separate that from
this has become within the federal bureaucracy. Not only is
it larger, more powerful, more expensive than ever before, there's
no accountability. There's none whatsoever, as long as you're on
the right side politically, which is the Democrats side.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
And I keep hearing, oh man, we're gonna have House
hearings next week, We're gonna have Senate hearings. They don't
mean a damn thing. Okay, you can get somebody to
just get up there. Absolutely lied to you. Nothing's gonna happen.
It's got to go back to the person at top
that's got to hold people accountable for their job.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But nobody is Washington, d C.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Is a cluster. It is an absolute cluster. We got
way too many bureaucrats, way too many people at work
in the federal government. Nobody's accountable. Do what you want
to do. Half the people, I'd say eighty percent of
the people in Washington, d C. Then been to work
because it's COVID They work from home. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Crazy?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, we can't run a country like this.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Senator Tuberville, I'm glad you're here with us, but I
know that you're missing college football, but you're fighting to
save the country. We'll talk to you again so.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Way, But I need to know which which which game?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
As a devoted War Eagle fan, which game this year
do I have to go? Have Clay take me to
see because he can get into all these this year.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
For the first time in the history of Auburn, Oklahoma
comes to town. I think it's like the second or
third game that would be a that's good. You know,
I don't know whether Oklahoma's going to be any good,
but they've still got the name. I think they've really
dropped over the last you know, ten years. Bob Stoops
had it really going and they bring Lincoln Rally in
and he kind of run the gamut and run everything
out of it. But at the end of the day,
you know, for us, you know, the new people playing
(28:47):
each other, Texas going to Georgia and I don't even
know whether they played them or not. But the new
rivalries are their rivalries are what made college football. And
I hope the heck we don't ruin.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Him Clay while he's here. I forget all that role
type stuff. War Eagle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Careful going into Alabama taking both the equation?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah really?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Oh yes, sir, the Rock Office two thousand and five
to twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Good. Yeah, well, we might call you back up.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It's funny you bring that up.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Actually, A couple of people have about questions at the
high level anyway. I know we got to I know,
we have so many fun people to talk to. Team,
We'll get right back to said, honestly, great to see you,
Thank you so much. Look, I'm getting back down to
after this RNC. I'll be down in South Florida and
I've already got it set up with my brother.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
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Speaker 3 (31:01):
All right, welcome in here, my friends.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
We got Bridge Colby with us, former senior Trump, Pentagon
Official Marathon Initiative principle, and just a super smart guy.
Yesterday was National Security Day. What's the biggest national security
challenge that you see for let's assume an incoming Trump administration,
I mean, the biggest one that you think needs to
get the most attention.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, great to be with you, guys.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
It's got to be China and I think that was
underscored in the platform, and we've seen it from both
President Trump, Center Vance and others. But also I think
the overall bucket would be kind of this injection of
common sense America first, thinking like right now, you know,
Joe Biden hands out commitments and new you know, security
obligations like their candy, and there's no backup, there's no reindustrialization,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That's kind of the metapoint.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
We got to focus on the biggest challenge to America
from abroad, which is China.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
We've got to have the basis to do so, too. Well,
what do we do though, Like what's the best way
to handle China?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Because one thing I do know is that the Trump
challenging of China that even the right was a little
bit opposed to in twenty sixteen has now at least
infused itself somewhat into a bipartisan or more bipartisan view
of what the China threat is.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Totally.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
But my concern is, and I think you see it
from Biden people, it's largely superficial. And that's why it's
so important that the platform is emphasizing the reindustrialization. Center
Vance always says Why are we in a position where
we're about to fight a war with China and we
get all our stuff made in China. Why don't we
have our stuff made at home and we don't get
in the war with China from a position of peace
true strengths, as he said, So, I think that's the
key way, because we got to be able to produce
(32:27):
stuff at scale to allow our forces to be so
frightening that they don't get challenged, but also that our
friends and allies like Israel, Poland South Korea, India, that
they can fight their battles too, and we can back
them up.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Trump wins. What does it mean to Ukraine Russia piece?
I know you've been writing about this and what the
role is of Europe in that, but also, as you
just mentioned, what does it mean in Israel? Do you
believe that that piece through strength concept will apply? What
would you expect to see in the early stages of
a Trump foreign policy administration as it pertains to those issues.
Speaker 9 (32:57):
Well, look, I don't speak for the campaign just to emphasize,
but I think and Trump's been very clear that he's
going to try to make peace, and I fully support that. Obviously,
there's the Ukrainians are going to have to be armed,
and I think that's totally right. But as he said
in his true social posts, and as Senor Vance has
said repeatedly, that's got to be on the Europeans.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That makes sense.
Speaker 9 (33:12):
We don't have, like you know, endless amounts of weapons
and money to give away. We got to focus on China.
So I think that's a reasonable basis. And I was
actually just telling a bunch of German you know, politicians
and elite types earlier today and over the last couple
of days.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Look, the message is clear.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
It's what Center Vance said the Munich Security Conference, which
is you got to step up. Meantime, the German government's
actually cutting Ukraine AID, it's not fulfilling its own defense obligations.
It's clear as day that the only way this alligance
system is going to survive. If you want a strong
America is for our allies to step up. And that's
what the Trump Fans Campaign to Meet is saying very clearly.
If you want to end America's international role, you follow
(33:48):
the Biden approach, which is going to send us right
into the Iceberg. I think in the case of Israel,
we got to back them. I think, as both the
President and sender Vance have said, we got to back
them and try to get this situation wrapped up. What
the Biden people are doing is they put their hands
into them, always holding them back, always in their business,
and then not providing the support. I think that's got
to change. Putting pressure and economic sanctions, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
On Iran.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
What does a Trumps success year one with Ukraine look like?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
End state?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Right, he's said, I'll end it, Okay, what does that
look like?
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Well, look, I think this is typical President Eisenaw he
ran fifty two, Nixon, sixty eight, Reagan and eighty. You
don't tell exactly what your playbook is. I think we
know what the goal is. You know, we're not expecting
peace on Earth flowers popping up over the but I
think it would be great if you could get to
at least a cease fire or something like it. Again,
I don't know what he's got, exactly what he's going
to want.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
You think, what do you think a success would look like?
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Well, I think a success where Ukraine is basically well armed,
can defend itself. I think what President Trump and sender
Vans have been saying, is we got to base this
on reality, and you can't say, oh, the Russians are
going to disappear, Ukraine's going to get you know, crimea back,
et cetera. That kind of like wishful thinking combined with
weakness is how we got to this praise. And I
would say, frankly, another thing is avoiding World War three,
(34:56):
because I think on this President Trump's right to emphasize this.
The Chinese are preparing for war. If we can get
peace in the next year, that would be pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
What's the appropriate response for what's going on as you
just mentioned with China and potentially Taiwan if Trump is
in office, ye come January. Well, look, I think President
Trump was right in Bloomberg to say this is a
really tough problem. I mean, I think, and this is
something I've been trying to communicate to the Taiwanese. They've
got to take their self defense more seriously. They're spending
less than three percent. They got to spend ten percent,
and we should have been focusing our resources, as Senator
(35:24):
Vance has been saying. Ultimately that's a presidential decision, but
I think it's the obligation of our security establishment and
Taiwan to give us the best basis as possible. I
think it's a two track approach, which is real peace
through strength. It's strength focusing our resources and our industrial
capability on China so they see the shield, but at
the same time an openness to a modus vendi. And
when I hear President Trump saying I'm open to talks
(35:45):
with Cijenping, a lot of people criticize, and I'm saying, hey,
we want to avoid a war. We got to be
played both sides of this toughness but also an openness
to avoid World War three.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Bridge. Where can folks go to follow the rest of
your work?
Speaker 9 (35:56):
You can follow me on Twitter at Elbert Krolby or
x in my book The Strategy of Denial, American Defense
and Age of Great Power Conflict.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And if you're a you know, deputy do O D chief,
will you give us a cool tour of the Pentagon?
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Well, I make no presumptions out of I'd be honored
to serve. I'm just always happy to talk to you guys,
always happy to get out.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
If i'm dog catcher, I'll.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Just get us in.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You would be a little bit more fun for us,
right if we got to I'm just happy to support
the ticket.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Honestly, it's so exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
No, it's been a great week for all Bridge Cole'd
be great to see you, man, Thanks for making the
time for us.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Thanks gentlemen. Up next, Speaker of the House. We have
got Mike Johnson scheduled to swing in and join us.
Also Senator Bill Haggerty, And we mentioned a whole COVID
is speaking tonight. How about Glenn Jacobs mayor up in Knoxville.
All that and more coming your way. Final Hour Thursday,
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