December 12, 2024 • 36 mins
Why do all these people support the killing of Brian Thompson? If your framework is I don’t like what’s happening in this industry so something bad should happen to them, that’s immoral. The ‘he had it coming’ crowd is gross, immoral and wrong. Buck responds to a listener email who says he understands why people are supporting Luigi Mangione. John Kirby at the White House says that ‘We have no evidence at this time that the reported drone sightings pose a national security or a public safety threat or have a foreign nexus.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome in third hour. Clay and Buck just
Buck today and tomorrow. Sorry that's third person, but I
am Buck and he is me. Clay will be back Monday,
so we'll be back in Action Dynamic Radio Duo doing
our thing. He's just coming back from his really interesting
Israel trip, which we've been talking to him about all week.
(00:21):
But it's a bit of a flight, as you know,
a little bit of a little bit of a jaunt
to get over there and get back. So let's dive
into the situation here of the Brian Thompson murder and
what people are saying of it now. Brian Thompson was
the United Healthcare CEO United Healthcare, a massive company by
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revenue hundreds of billions of dollars, and he was assassinated
in cold blood right in midtown Manhattan, right next to
our New York City Radio studio. And the reaction to
this has been surprising to me, not only because of
the ferocity of the anger on the left toward this
(01:03):
individual and the support for the assassin, the alleged assassin
to I have to say it every time people say
it's alleged, but I mean, come on, like, the guy
was found with the gun and all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So the alleged assassin of Brian Thompson's getting all this support.
You know, I'm gonna tell you something. I do not
know Jimmy Kimmel. I only know his work, But from
what I know of his work, he's a disgrace. He's
not funny. He seems like a nasty fellow, not very bright.
And I want you to hear this is on a
late night comedy show, supposedly comedy show with terrible ratings.
(01:40):
The king of late night comedy is, in fact Greg Gutfeld.
So congrats to Greg. And he'd built that really from
square one back in the day on red Eye. First
cable news show I ever did was red Eye with
Greg Guttfeld.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'll never forget it. Greg.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Very talented guy, and he's he's he's the king of
late night. I mean they can try to say.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh, but what about Colbert, what about Kimmel?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, no, no, they were given those other guys were
given massive platforms that they destroyed. Greg built his platform
over at Fox into the show that it is in.
Congrats to him on that, But you know, it helps
to be funny when you're doing comedy show and Jimmy
Kimmel's not funny, and I want you to hear what
he says about the United Healthcare Assassin.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
This is cut twelve. Play it.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
This is an exchange between two of our producers. We'll
call them Alphaba and Glinda. My TikTok is flooded. My
mom chain's going nuts. That's my TikTok. Everyone is obsessed.
People are saying in New York Cheery has the power
to find him innocent because we all love him. I'm
not mad at him. Please tell me you're as obsessed
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as I am with this handsome CEO killer. Yes, so
many questions like can I fix you? And Veronica says
I need him so bad?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
No, like so bad, so so bad?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Okay, So I would visit him in prison and bake
him cookies, maybe perhaps more, but I haven't thought that far.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Ahead for so why is this funny?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I mean truly, like, what what's clever about this? A
lot of people are saying this stuff. Why is there
this sort of forced laughter around it? Brian Thompson was
murdered by a coward from behind. I mean, this could
happen to absolutely anybody who's completely defenseless walking down the
street in midtown Manhattan and New York City. And he's
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just murdered in cold blood. I mean, just such a
such a cowardly act to begin with. And you know
he wasn't killed instantly. I mean, imagine the man's terror
when they're the first bullet I think might have hit
him in the knee or was it the back, you know,
as he's bleeding out there on the street, has no
idea what is going on or what has happened to him,
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and the people will think this is so funny. People
are laughing about how right this man. By the way,
this man's union guy. He's not handsome. Okay, everyone can
calm down. I don't talk about people's looks because I
think that that's generally not a part of my job.
And obviously, you know, glass House don't want to throw stones.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But this whole thing about how he's so hot is bizarre.
It's some really excuse to kind of cozy up to
and worship a very evil act by a very deranged person.
Deranged thing to do. Deranged. Yeah, people are talking about
the healthcare system right now. You know what's going to
happen to change it. Nothing, nothing, you know why because
people don't want to be honest about what really goes
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on in our healthcare system and what they think they
should get and what they demand from it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But put that aside. Put that because it's a huge issue.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's a huge issue, and it's not popular to talk
about it in an honest fashion.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I think because it's like the debt.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know, we all think the debt is a systemic
risk to our economy, and it is thirty six trillion dollars.
We all think that it is reckless and irresponsible. It is,
and then whenever you want to actually do something about.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Everyone goes, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Get your hands off my government, my government money, my
government benefit, my whatever, my entitlement.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You name it. Okay, well we're the problem.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Not popular to say, but we are the problem, right
and meaning the American people writ large. You don't have
to say, no, buck, I'm ready to tackle this. And
I know you, but I mean Americans, this is something
we vote for.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
These people.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's like, why do we have such crap senators in
places like Texas? Not Ted Cruz the other one. You know,
why do we have in some of these red states.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Ted's great.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Some of these states that are so read you have
terrible senators, are terrible governors because the Republicans in those
states in the primary are their own care and don't
pay attention. They vote for somebody who's a fraud. And
this is what we get, right, I mean, this is
the you know, we can complain about it, but it's
our own team doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So with healthcare, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
We say we want to fix it, but everybody also
wants to pay twenty dollars when they go to a doctor.
I just want to pay the co pay. I don't
want to have to pay for health care. Why health
care is a service? Should you be able to get
insurance for that service like you do for your car?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Not everybody could afford to write a you know, the
average car now is thirty five thousand dollars or something
like that. It might even more than that now, it
might be closer to forty. Yeah, if you're in a
wreck and your car gets totaled, you can't just a
lot of people can't just write a check for that.
I get it. Most people can't write a check for that.
That's why we have car insurance. Should be the same
thing with health you know, yes, if somebody gets you know,
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brain cancer, we should have world class care for them
and they should be able to be treated. And that's
but that's what health insurance should be for, not you know,
oh I'm going in to get my blood pressure check.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You should this should be paid. We should pay for
these things. I know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
But this is massive change in the system, and you
try to talk about this and there's so many scoundrels.
You've got the uh ambulance chasers, you drive up costs everywhere.
Try to get obstetric's care in some of these states.
Try to find an obgyn. Going through this right now
with my wife because my wife is pregnant. We're expecting
in April, as you know. Very exciting, thank you, but
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it's very hard to find a good obgyn in a
lot of places because they're all getting sued out of
business by ambulance chasers.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's what happens to it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Reform that would be a good idea, right, that would
be something that would help price transparency, knowing what it costs. Also,
no longer allowing hospitals to say, oh, you have a plan,
you pay this, you don't have a plan. You played
ten you pay ten times as much what it's the
same service. So there are ways that we could fix this. Okay,
put that aside. This thing of I don't like how
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an industry is going. So I have any sympathy whatsoever
for the premeditated murder of a prominent symbol of it
is Bolshevik insanity. And I know some of you disagree.
I'm well, if you're talking about Bolshevik insanity. And when
I say, I don't know how many of you agree
or disagree. Some of you written in emails that I'm
going to get to you in a second here, and
(07:50):
I just disagree strenuously. And we can agree on ninety
percent or ninety five percent of stuff and on a
few things not agree, and that's fine. But I'm going
to tell you when I disagree strenuously. It is a
monstrous and evil thing to kill Brian Thompson. It's not
just illegal, it's very illegal. Obviously, it's a it should
be a capital crime. There should be a death penalty
attached to this.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
There's not.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But it's it's also evil to do this, and I'll
explain why that is. I'm not just going to throw
the words around. I'll explain and then people can agree
or disagree with me. But this is the kind of
stuff you expect from leftists. I want to start with that.
Here is a woman named Brianna Joy Gray, who I
actually debated on healthcare at Politic Con many years ago. She's, honestly,
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she's just not very knowledgeable about anything. She's kind of
a standard leftist talking point socialist person.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I get it. And here she is.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Telling you what she really thinks about the assassination of
Brian Thompson Play twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Do you feel any empathy for Brian Thompson an as fimmate.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I have infinite empathy for any individual as a person
in her personal capacity, as as well as the CEO
of United Healthcare. I'm afraid I'm with the overwhelming majority,
bipartisan majority of the American people who say I'm saving
my empathy for people who are much more vulnerable, much
more vulnerable and a lot and have caused a lot
of life.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So to be clear, you doesn't have any empathy for
him after he was executed.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I personally don't.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Do you hear that I have no empathy for this
man who was executed? What did he do. By the way,
if you look at his story, you know he's a guy.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
He's like a kind of an all American guy, grew up,
didn't have rich parents when I went to state school,
you know, built his way up, worked a.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Bunch of different jobs.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And you don't have any empathy for him because some
lunatic who's bitter and is and it is a crazy
assassin guns him down in the streets of New York City.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
This isn't This is a thing that crazy people say.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
This is nuts, and and here I'm gonna I'm gonna
give you now. You might just say, well, these are leftists,
and they are. I can I can come out in
a second here with some people who including listen to
the show, got some emails, People's say, look, I understand
why there's all this sympathy for this, sympathy for the assassination,
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not for the guy who was killed.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
This is nuts.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And also, I just want to establish this right now
for everybody. If your moral principle is, and I think
it's an immoral principle, but if your framework for this is,
I don't like what's going on in this industry, Therefore
people are going to have you know, terrible things should
happen to them. Let's just put it that way, all right.
So then, what how do people feel about abortion clinics?
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How do people feel about transgender surgery?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
For miners? How do people feel? Go down the.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
List of things of industries, of businesses that are legal,
are lawful, and have some pretty nasty outcomes. I mean,
you know, worse than that, but just for our purpose,
it's pretty nasty situations. Can people take their law to
their own hands?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Is that what goes on?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That that's going to be the way that we handle things. No,
this is how a society devolves into chaos.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Anarchy and violence. We have to have lines here.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And if Brian Thompson was doing wrong as CEO, people
should sue him or sue United and take it to court.
And I don't people say, oh, but what about it
takes too long and all these other things. We stop
electing people that are promising you free health care and
and you know, stop thinking that to anybody who agrees
with this kind of or you know, sympathizes with this whatever,
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stop thinking the government's going to fix your problems. That's
an unconservative principle. The government is not going to fix this.
In fact, the government has made it far far worse,
just as it does everywhere else. And for people say,
what about all these denials from the healthcare companies. Okay,
if we didn't have if we didn't have them, and
we had the system that we do, you know, you'd
have the government doing it. You'd have a government bureaucrat
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saying yeah, no, I'm not going to prove this surgery sorry,
just like they do in Canada, just like they do
with the National Health Service in the UK. You have
people sitting around for years in misery. Our health outcomes
for the actual procedures are actually better than what they
are in these other countries. The entire world gets a
free ride off of our R and D for the
most part. When it comes to big farm and drugs.
By the way, I'm not not something like big pharmacil.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Uh? But I'm just trying to be realistic about this
because I see this, this is coming on the coming
from people on the right now too. Well, yeah, he's
a really bad you know, the he had it coming.
That he had it coming attitude from people is gross.
It's wrong, and it's not conservative. It's not it's not
rule of law based and I think it also just
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feeds into exactly what the left wants. The left wants
this right now. The left and the Democrat Party feed
on narcissistic malcontents.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That is their base.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
People who don't take accountability for why their lives aren't
what they think they should be. People who are bitter,
people who want to blame others, and people who want
to act out like babies. That is the base of
the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
We are not that.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
We cannot become that because then they win. And they
are the ones who say things like, yeah, bad CEO
is going to get God sometimes and that's okay, just
morally obtuse wrong on every level. And for somebody to
go on Peers Morgan show and just tell it like that,
you know, some some leftist commentator to go and.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Say that is grotesqueesque.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
We cannot become the enemy because we live in an
imperfect world. We're always going to live in an imperfect world.
And if any you want to call in a fight
with me on this, by all means, but I'm not
saying that United Healthcare isn't maybe denying far too many claims,
so we don't need to fix things whatever. But you
just can't go and shoot people because you don't like
the way a company is lawfully functioning.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
In the United States, That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I mean, I've already heard all these stories from second
third hand about you know, this CEO or that co
is scared. Now they're going to get protection. What about
their business? What about their competitors? This leads down a
very dark pathway, and I think we need to be
very clear on this is wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
This is evil.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
This is not how you do things. This is how
communists do things. This is how authoritarian leftists do things.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It's not how we do things.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
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Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, welcome back in. We are talking about the
healthcare assassin. I guess that's what we called him, Luigi.
Everyone talks about his name now, so I'm not like
naming the guy allegedly killed the United Healthcare CEO. And
my surprise at some of us here, I'll give you
an example of this. We got an email from a
(16:22):
VIP and look, I love our VIPs. You guys are
and gals are so supportive of us, mean so much
to the show. I'll read a little bit of this
and I'm just I disagree, but it's fine. We can disagree.
I disagree with family members sometime and I would take
a bullet for any of them, So disagreeing is fine.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But here we go.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
This from VIP listener John was listening when you guys
asked women to comment about Luigi's looks. You were also
saying you couldn't understand people defending him. You're not going
to like this, but I can explain there's a fairly
large segment of the population, not at all leftists, but
moderate and conservative who agree with you on a lot
ninety percent of issues, but fall between indifference and support
(16:59):
of the assassin. This isn't about condoning murder. But no, Buck,
he's not a terrorist. Oh, he's absolutely a terrorist. I
don't know what if you know what the definition of
a terrorist is violence to achieve a political end. The
guy had a manifesto on him. He's a terrorist. Why
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is this even a question? Okay, I'll keep going here.
People have been beaten down by our corporatetocracy. That's the
reality of our country. We may be a constitutional republic
on paper, but we're a corporatocracy. That's the part of
why Trump was elected. You look at this act and
say it's a moral We look at it and shrug
because every one of these CEOs has made or approved
decisions that shortened, injured, or ended thousands, if not tens
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of thousands of lives. I think that is as wrong
as wrong gets. So that's I think that's the wrong
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T dot org. I haven't gotten any explanation yet. That
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sounds like it's the explanation of the UFO in New
Jersey situation. It'd be a great band name, right, you know,
UFOs of Secaucus. What do you think UFOs of Bergen County.
I don't know, just thrown it out there.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
You have.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
This though, from John Kirby on behalf of the Biden administration,
speaking about what's going on here with these obvious drone
something or others up in the sky in Jersey Plate
twenty seven.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
We have no evidence at this time that the reported
drone sightings pose a national security or a public safety threat,
or have.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
A foreign in nexus.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are investigating
these sightings, and they're working closely with state and local
law enforcement to provide resources using numerous detection methods to
better understand their origin, using very sophisticated electronic detection technologies
provided by federal authorities. We have not been able to,
and neither have state or local law enforcement of authorities,
(20:00):
roborate any of the reported visual sightings to the contrary,
upon review of available imagery, it appears that many of
the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft that are being
operated lawfully.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So there are no UFOs. Now, this is this is
we got all this reporting. Look, I'm not there. I'm
not seeing anything, right, I'm just reporting on the reporting.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We have not been able to and neither stated or
local law enforcement authorities corroborate any of the reported visual sightings.
To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears
many of the reported sightings are manned aircraft being operated lawfully.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So there's nothing to see here. Now, this is where,
this is where we are. So there are no UFOs
or there are no objects in the sky that are
a little weird to people. Ah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Don't they haven't like men in black. They have this
wand or something that they can erase your memory, or
they wave the wand or for those who love Star Wars,
vastly superior to Harry Potter. You know the Jedi what
a the Jedi mind trick or whatever they can do.
There's a version of that in Dune right where they
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have like the voice, the scary voice that she can use,
the Benny Jesuit voice whatever that is? All right, I'm
getting I'm getting off track.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm weaving. It's not rambling, it's weaving. Ask Trump, but
I am weaving. For sure. We got a lot of
you weighing into on here we Go.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
A lot of you weighing in on a bunch of
things here, including the movies I asked for best. I
asked for best alien movies because you know, we're going
into a holiday season.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It be a fun here we go. This is the
the people writing in on that one. We've got.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Battleship, A lot of you saying battleship, and and you
know what. I love you all, but I can't say
I agree. I thought that movie was ridiculous. I mean,
it was kind of fun to watch, but that doesn't
mean it's not ridiculous. It's like, here's aliens, and now
it's a battleship fighting them.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Whatever. I know people liked it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It made a lot of money. I have not seen Contact,
which is a hole in my film viewing record. I
have not seen content I've also I haven't seen Interstellar,
which is probably even bigger one man. I really haven't
seen some of the big UFO alien movies out there.
I haven't seen an Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I
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the thing is that, but that's not I saw that.
That's at the Arctic Station or whatever. That's a pretty
good sci fi horror movie from back in the day.
It's really creepy scenes. So I guess I haven't seen
no one wrote an Independence Day. Really with this crowd,
with all of you, no one's given love to Independence Day.
I find that the movie obviously not the Nashville Holiday.
(23:00):
I find that a little surprising. That's a little surprising.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So here we are now, John Kirby is saying, is nothing.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I mean, is that? Are we gonna buy that?
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Are we?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Are we accepting that there's all these people suddenly seeing
things in New Jersey. It's just a it's a localized
mass hysteria or a contagion, psychological epidemic of sorts. It
seems a little sketchy to me, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean, I think we could all agree that's a
little weird. That doesn't really seem like that would add up.
But you know, I I guess we got some Do
we still have U?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Dwight in Bowling Green, Kentucky with us? All right, let's
go to doctor Dwight in Kentucky. He's a physician. What's up, Dwight?
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What I grew up in a medical home. My dad
was a doctor, started as practicing sixty four and mother
was a nurse and he worked in both for profit
and not for profit you know, hospital settings. And I mean,
I'm a physician myself, but the whole thing talking about
what would be the alternative, Well, the alternative in this
country would be the VA health system. That would be
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our national healthcare model would perform about like that. And
we all, most of us, do residencies in VA hospitals.
And I would every now and then I was by
myself with one of the vets in the room, I
would say, Hey, if you and I knew their care
was getting delayed, you know, and they were just taking
up a bed waiting for something. And I would say,
(24:30):
if you were given a card from the VA that
you could use anywhere like medicare, would you be here?
And every one of them said no, Talk about delay
of care, talk about they always end up having to
go to a private hospital to get things done because
the VA just can't do it. And the national healthcare
(24:50):
systems in Canada and all throughout Europe, how have they
been able to afford that? All these years We've been
paying their defense bills, Canada's defense bill. They don't need one.
We defend them they have not been they've been able
to use all the money they've saved on defense on
their national healthcare system. They wouldn't have it as good
(25:12):
if it wasn't for the American text.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And just to just to throw this in there, Doc,
I've spoken to many Canadians. Maybe we could have some
Canadians call in, because we do have listeners up there.
A maybe you could call in and tell us what
it's like. I hear horror stories from Canada about you know,
waiting six months for a surgery, that somebody's in substantial pain,
waiting huge lengths of time for specialist care, et cetera,
(25:38):
et cetera, and the same thing you hear in the UK.
I might add, and you know, some of these European
countries are now moving more and more into the let's
just euthanize people if they're uncomfortable toward the end or whatever.
They do not have the answers in these other countries
where they're doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And I remember I was in England for about four
months about twenty something years ago, and one of the
guys I met there, he was an older gentleman. He
had invested his money, he was able to pay for
private insurance and they allowed they started allowing that twenty five,
twenty years ago, to have probably you know, these National
healthcare doctors work in their own offices. After they were
(26:16):
done in their office working National healthcare, and he went
this young son was doing something silly and fell on
his head and they went to the emergency room and
they just didn't you know, they didn't even X ray
because it didn't fit their quote criteria. And so he
went home. This young boy took his young boy home,
still had neck pain. So they took him to a
private doctor. They did an X ray of his neck.
(26:39):
How cheap is an X ray cheap? He had a
fractured vertebrate, but those knuckleheads at the emergency room in
the National healthcare system said it didn't meet criteria for
a simple neck X ray. I'm sorry, that is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Okay, and I just if you thank you so much
doctor calling in for those who were like, yeah, yeah,
the health you know, the insurers are the enemy again.
I understand. I have gone through denial of care. I
have gone through can't afford a surgery I have gone
through in my so I get it. But if you
think Bernie Sanders has the answers with single paya, It's
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gonna be like free for everybody. You have been asleep
for the last hundred years of capitalism. Okay, it is
not the answer. It is not going to make things better.
Why do people think Obama socialist? Obama the socialist who
will lie about anything, including you can keep your doctor
if you like your doctor. Why was this the big
(27:38):
thing when they had their once in a generation majority
in the House and the Senate and were able to
ram through absolutely anything they wanted. It was to drive
us deeper into this because what happens the system just
it gets further corroded, the incentives are misaligned, and eventually,
you know what happens, people say, well, let's just have
(27:58):
the government.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Take over the whole thing. I promise you that will
not make it better.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And the hole it will blow in our budget when
we're already thirty six trillion dollars in debt is gonna
be so much worse than anybody can imagine. Right now,
here's a perfect example. Why I live in Florida, I
should I only should be paying and dealing with Florida taxes.
I used to live in New York, New York has
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double the budget as a state that Florida. Does you
know where most of New York's money goes to medicaid?
I mean, in terms of budget items medicate huge, huge
amounts of money spent into the health. Do you think
people in New York are a lot healthier than people
in Florida?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
This is because these bureaucracies, there's no cost controls. Things
get completely out of control. It's all a total mess.
The incentives are mis aligned. I remember, and I know
this sounds like a digression and I'm weaving again, but
you know what I like to weave.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
What can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm a weaver. When I was in college, I remember
with my roommates carrying up a and it was like
our prize possession, a big screen TV at the time.
And I'm I think it costs I don't know, like
six or seven hundred bucks. We all, you know, we
four of us lived together, We all pulled our money.
We got this big TV for our living room in
(29:19):
our house. Right and as college kids, this thing must
have weighed like four hundred pounds. And remember that's then,
so we want to say it's like eight hundred dollars TV.
And that wasn't even the most expensive TV, but eight
hundred dollars TV, and you know now that would be
like at least a sixteen hundred dollars two thousand dollars TV.
And this thing, the picture wasn't great. It weighed like
two hundred pounds, you.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Know it was.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The thing was big. It took up all this space.
Are you god?
Speaker 9 (29:43):
They're practically handing out sixty inch flat screens with high
def whatever capitalism efficiency incentives these things matter. We're still
you still go get get an X ray with the
same technology that were using x rays fifty years ago,
and they're charging your insurance.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Whatever they The whole thing is a mess.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
To think that going after one person at a healthcare
company is going to change anything in a positive.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Way is delusional.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It is delusional, and this is why the cry baby
left is all about this. By the way, in Canada,
two thirds of Canadians have to get private health insurance
to supplement their crappy government insurance.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well what does that tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It tells you that a massive bureaucracy in charge of
your health is never going to be the answer.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It is not going to work.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And people even talking about the VA. The VA is
for a small relative the whole size of America subset
of Americans who are owed something that was promised them
by the government in exchange for their service, and even
that is very it's unwieldy. It's not as good as
(31:01):
it should be. A lot of veterans say it's terrible.
Some say it's good.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I've heard both sides of it. But it's not like
the VA has it all figured out by any stretch.
And that's for you know, I've to checked a number,
I don't know what, ten, five, ten percent or something
of people receiving healthcare. It's a small fraction of Americans overall.
So you think you're gonna expand that to three hundred
and fifty million people, it's going to get better.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The average weight for surgery in Canada is like.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Something like a year, you know, something like a year.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And I gotta tell you, people who have to have
that surgery are I think, not happy at all that
they have to wait that long to get their surgery.
It's because of the shortages. It's because it's a big discussion.
I know a lot of stuff here, but I just
(31:56):
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I won't speak the kid's name, that the murderer. I
should just call him a murderer is what he is.
I wouldn't speak his name on the radio. Is no
no sense in giving him any type of recognition. First
(35:51):
of all, he should be charged first degree murderer. Was
planned boom lying, I don't know why they're beating around
the bush with it.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
It should be charged as first degree if he was
caught with the weapon and they have the evidence they have,
the charges should be bought for the first degree and
he should have the capital punished for a death. And
that that young lady on that it's talking to peers
for the Browston. They can't think of his name, Pierce.
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Yeah, yeah, on the Pierce Broson Show. Yeah.
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What she said was what she said was was was gross.
I totally agree. Thank you, my friend for calling it,
thank you for the kind words. We're at uh, we're
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(36:39):
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All right, welcome in third hour. Clay and Buck just
Buck today and tomorrow. Sorry that's third person, but I
am Buck and he is me. Clay will be back Monday,
so we'll be back in Action Dynamic Radio Duo doing
our thing. He's just coming back from his really interesting
Israel trip, which we've been talking to him about all week.
(00:21):
But it's a bit of a flight, as you know,
a little bit of a little bit of a jaunt
to get over there and get back. So let's dive
into the situation here of the Brian Thompson murder and
what people are saying of it now. Brian Thompson was
the United Healthcare CEO United Healthcare, a massive company by
(00:42):
revenue hundreds of billions of dollars, and he was assassinated
in cold blood right in midtown Manhattan, right next to
our New York City Radio studio. And the reaction to
this has been surprising to me, not only because of
the ferocity of the anger on the left toward this
(01:03):
individual and the support for the assassin, the alleged assassin
to I have to say it every time people say
it's alleged, but I mean, come on, like, the guy
was found with the gun and all the stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So the alleged assassin of Brian Thompson's getting all this support.
You know, I'm gonna tell you something. I do not
know Jimmy Kimmel. I only know his work, But from
what I know of his work, he's a disgrace. He's
not funny. He seems like a nasty fellow, not very bright.
And I want you to hear this is on a
late night comedy show, supposedly comedy show with terrible ratings.
(01:40):
The king of late night comedy is, in fact Greg Gutfeld.
So congrats to Greg. And he'd built that really from
square one back in the day on red Eye. First
cable news show I ever did was red Eye with
Greg Guttfeld.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'll never forget it. Greg.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Very talented guy, and he's he's he's the king of
late night. I mean they can try to say.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh, but what about Colbert, what about Kimmel?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, no, no, they were given those other guys were
given massive platforms that they destroyed. Greg built his platform
over at Fox into the show that it is in.
Congrats to him on that, But you know, it helps
to be funny when you're doing comedy show and Jimmy
Kimmel's not funny, and I want you to hear what
he says about the United Healthcare Assassin.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
This is cut twelve. Play it.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
This is an exchange between two of our producers. We'll
call them Alphaba and Glinda. My TikTok is flooded. My
mom chain's going nuts. That's my TikTok. Everyone is obsessed.
People are saying in New York Cheery has the power
to find him innocent because we all love him. I'm
not mad at him. Please tell me you're as obsessed
(02:47):
as I am with this handsome CEO killer. Yes, so
many questions like can I fix you? And Veronica says
I need him so bad?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
No, like so bad, so so bad?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Okay, So I would visit him in prison and bake
him cookies, maybe perhaps more, but I haven't thought that far.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Ahead for so why is this funny?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I mean truly, like, what what's clever about this? A
lot of people are saying this stuff. Why is there
this sort of forced laughter around it? Brian Thompson was
murdered by a coward from behind. I mean, this could
happen to absolutely anybody who's completely defenseless walking down the
street in midtown Manhattan and New York City. And he's
(03:32):
just murdered in cold blood. I mean, just such a
such a cowardly act to begin with. And you know
he wasn't killed instantly. I mean, imagine the man's terror
when they're the first bullet I think might have hit
him in the knee or was it the back, you know,
as he's bleeding out there on the street, has no
idea what is going on or what has happened to him,
(03:54):
and the people will think this is so funny. People
are laughing about how right this man. By the way,
this man's union guy. He's not handsome. Okay, everyone can
calm down. I don't talk about people's looks because I
think that that's generally not a part of my job.
And obviously, you know, glass House don't want to throw stones.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But this whole thing about how he's so hot is bizarre.
It's some really excuse to kind of cozy up to
and worship a very evil act by a very deranged person.
Deranged thing to do. Deranged. Yeah, people are talking about
the healthcare system right now. You know what's going to
happen to change it. Nothing, nothing, you know why because
people don't want to be honest about what really goes
(04:31):
on in our healthcare system and what they think they
should get and what they demand from it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But put that aside. Put that because it's a huge issue.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's a huge issue, and it's not popular to talk
about it in an honest fashion.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I think because it's like the debt.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know, we all think the debt is a systemic
risk to our economy, and it is thirty six trillion dollars.
We all think that it is reckless and irresponsible. It is,
and then whenever you want to actually do something about.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Everyone goes, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Get your hands off my government, my government money, my
government benefit, my whatever, my entitlement.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You name it. Okay, well we're the problem.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Not popular to say, but we are the problem, right
and meaning the American people writ large. You don't have
to say, no, buck, I'm ready to tackle this. And
I know you, but I mean Americans, this is something
we vote for.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
These people.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It's like, why do we have such crap senators in
places like Texas? Not Ted Cruz the other one. You know,
why do we have in some of these red states.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Ted's great.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Some of these states that are so read you have
terrible senators, are terrible governors because the Republicans in those
states in the primary are their own care and don't
pay attention. They vote for somebody who's a fraud. And
this is what we get, right, I mean, this is
the you know, we can complain about it, but it's
our own team doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So with healthcare, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
We say we want to fix it, but everybody also
wants to pay twenty dollars when they go to a doctor.
I just want to pay the co pay. I don't
want to have to pay for health care. Why health
care is a service? Should you be able to get
insurance for that service like you do for your car?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Not everybody could afford to write a you know, the
average car now is thirty five thousand dollars or something
like that. It might even more than that now, it
might be closer to forty. Yeah, if you're in a
wreck and your car gets totaled, you can't just a
lot of people can't just write a check for that.
I get it. Most people can't write a check for that.
That's why we have car insurance. Should be the same
thing with health you know, yes, if somebody gets you know,
(06:24):
brain cancer, we should have world class care for them
and they should be able to be treated. And that's
but that's what health insurance should be for, not you know,
oh I'm going in to get my blood pressure check.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You should this should be paid. We should pay for
these things. I know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
But this is massive change in the system, and you
try to talk about this and there's so many scoundrels.
You've got the uh ambulance chasers, you drive up costs everywhere.
Try to get obstetric's care in some of these states.
Try to find an obgyn. Going through this right now
with my wife because my wife is pregnant. We're expecting
in April, as you know. Very exciting, thank you, but
(06:58):
it's very hard to find a good obgyn in a
lot of places because they're all getting sued out of
business by ambulance chasers.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It's what happens to it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Reform that would be a good idea, right, that would
be something that would help price transparency, knowing what it costs. Also,
no longer allowing hospitals to say, oh, you have a plan,
you pay this, you don't have a plan. You played
ten you pay ten times as much what it's the
same service. So there are ways that we could fix this. Okay,
put that aside. This thing of I don't like how
(07:30):
an industry is going. So I have any sympathy whatsoever
for the premeditated murder of a prominent symbol of it
is Bolshevik insanity. And I know some of you disagree.
I'm well, if you're talking about Bolshevik insanity. And when
I say, I don't know how many of you agree
or disagree. Some of you written in emails that I'm
going to get to you in a second here, and
(07:50):
I just disagree strenuously. And we can agree on ninety
percent or ninety five percent of stuff and on a
few things not agree, and that's fine. But I'm going
to tell you when I disagree strenuously. It is a
monstrous and evil thing to kill Brian Thompson. It's not
just illegal, it's very illegal. Obviously, it's a it should
be a capital crime. There should be a death penalty
attached to this.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
There's not.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But it's it's also evil to do this, and I'll
explain why that is. I'm not just going to throw
the words around. I'll explain and then people can agree
or disagree with me. But this is the kind of
stuff you expect from leftists. I want to start with that.
Here is a woman named Brianna Joy Gray, who I
actually debated on healthcare at Politic Con many years ago. She's, honestly,
(08:33):
she's just not very knowledgeable about anything. She's kind of
a standard leftist talking point socialist person.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I get it. And here she is.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Telling you what she really thinks about the assassination of
Brian Thompson Play twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Do you feel any empathy for Brian Thompson an as fimmate.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I have infinite empathy for any individual as a person
in her personal capacity, as as well as the CEO
of United Healthcare. I'm afraid I'm with the overwhelming majority,
bipartisan majority of the American people who say I'm saving
my empathy for people who are much more vulnerable, much
more vulnerable and a lot and have caused a lot
of life.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So to be clear, you doesn't have any empathy for
him after he was executed.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I personally don't.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Do you hear that I have no empathy for this
man who was executed? What did he do. By the way,
if you look at his story, you know he's a guy.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
He's like a kind of an all American guy, grew up,
didn't have rich parents when I went to state school,
you know, built his way up, worked a.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Bunch of different jobs.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And you don't have any empathy for him because some
lunatic who's bitter and is and it is a crazy
assassin guns him down in the streets of New York City.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
This isn't This is a thing that crazy people say.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
This is nuts, and and here I'm gonna I'm gonna
give you now. You might just say, well, these are leftists,
and they are. I can I can come out in
a second here with some people who including listen to
the show, got some emails, People's say, look, I understand
why there's all this sympathy for this, sympathy for the assassination,
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not for the guy who was killed.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
This is nuts.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And also, I just want to establish this right now
for everybody. If your moral principle is, and I think
it's an immoral principle, but if your framework for this is,
I don't like what's going on in this industry, Therefore
people are going to have you know, terrible things should
happen to them. Let's just put it that way, all right.
So then, what how do people feel about abortion clinics?
(10:38):
How do people feel about transgender surgery?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
For miners? How do people feel? Go down the.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
List of things of industries, of businesses that are legal,
are lawful, and have some pretty nasty outcomes. I mean,
you know, worse than that, but just for our purpose,
it's pretty nasty situations. Can people take their law to
their own hands?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Is that what goes on?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That that's going to be the way that we handle things. No,
this is how a society devolves into chaos.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Anarchy and violence. We have to have lines here.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And if Brian Thompson was doing wrong as CEO, people
should sue him or sue United and take it to court.
And I don't people say, oh, but what about it
takes too long and all these other things. We stop
electing people that are promising you free health care and
and you know, stop thinking that to anybody who agrees
with this kind of or you know, sympathizes with this whatever,
(11:36):
stop thinking the government's going to fix your problems. That's
an unconservative principle. The government is not going to fix this.
In fact, the government has made it far far worse,
just as it does everywhere else. And for people say,
what about all these denials from the healthcare companies. Okay,
if we didn't have if we didn't have them, and
we had the system that we do, you know, you'd
have the government doing it. You'd have a government bureaucrat
(11:57):
saying yeah, no, I'm not going to prove this surgery sorry,
just like they do in Canada, just like they do
with the National Health Service in the UK. You have
people sitting around for years in misery. Our health outcomes
for the actual procedures are actually better than what they
are in these other countries. The entire world gets a
free ride off of our R and D for the
most part. When it comes to big farm and drugs.
By the way, I'm not not something like big pharmacil.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Uh? But I'm just trying to be realistic about this
because I see this, this is coming on the coming
from people on the right now too. Well, yeah, he's
a really bad you know, the he had it coming.
That he had it coming attitude from people is gross.
It's wrong, and it's not conservative. It's not it's not
rule of law based and I think it also just
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feeds into exactly what the left wants. The left wants
this right now. The left and the Democrat Party feed
on narcissistic malcontents.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That is their base.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
People who don't take accountability for why their lives aren't
what they think they should be. People who are bitter,
people who want to blame others, and people who want
to act out like babies. That is the base of
the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
We are not that.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
We cannot become that because then they win. And they
are the ones who say things like, yeah, bad CEO
is going to get God sometimes and that's okay, just
morally obtuse wrong on every level. And for somebody to
go on Peers Morgan show and just tell it like that,
you know, some some leftist commentator to go and.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Say that is grotesqueesque.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
We cannot become the enemy because we live in an
imperfect world. We're always going to live in an imperfect world.
And if any you want to call in a fight
with me on this, by all means, but I'm not
saying that United Healthcare isn't maybe denying far too many claims,
so we don't need to fix things whatever. But you
just can't go and shoot people because you don't like
the way a company is lawfully functioning.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
In the United States, That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I mean, I've already heard all these stories from second
third hand about you know, this CEO or that co
is scared. Now they're going to get protection. What about
their business? What about their competitors? This leads down a
very dark pathway, and I think we need to be
very clear on this is wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
This is evil.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
This is not how you do things. This is how
communists do things. This is how authoritarian leftists do things.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It's not how we do things.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
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Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, welcome back in. We are talking about the
healthcare assassin. I guess that's what we called him, Luigi.
Everyone talks about his name now, so I'm not like
naming the guy allegedly killed the United Healthcare CEO. And
my surprise at some of us here, I'll give you
an example of this. We got an email from a
(16:22):
VIP and look, I love our VIPs. You guys are
and gals are so supportive of us, mean so much
to the show. I'll read a little bit of this
and I'm just I disagree, but it's fine. We can disagree.
I disagree with family members sometime and I would take
a bullet for any of them, So disagreeing is fine.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But here we go.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
This from VIP listener John was listening when you guys
asked women to comment about Luigi's looks. You were also
saying you couldn't understand people defending him. You're not going
to like this, but I can explain there's a fairly
large segment of the population, not at all leftists, but
moderate and conservative who agree with you on a lot
ninety percent of issues, but fall between indifference and support
(16:59):
of the assassin. This isn't about condoning murder. But no, Buck,
he's not a terrorist. Oh, he's absolutely a terrorist. I
don't know what if you know what the definition of
a terrorist is violence to achieve a political end. The
guy had a manifesto on him. He's a terrorist. Why
(17:21):
is this even a question? Okay, I'll keep going here.
People have been beaten down by our corporatetocracy. That's the
reality of our country. We may be a constitutional republic
on paper, but we're a corporatocracy. That's the part of
why Trump was elected. You look at this act and
say it's a moral We look at it and shrug
because every one of these CEOs has made or approved
decisions that shortened, injured, or ended thousands, if not tens
(17:44):
of thousands of lives. I think that is as wrong
as wrong gets. So that's I think that's the wrong
view of something like this. That we could talk more
about it here in just a second eight hundred two
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T dot org. I haven't gotten any explanation yet. That
(18:55):
sounds like it's the explanation of the UFO in New
Jersey situation. It'd be a great band name, right, you know,
UFOs of Secaucus. What do you think UFOs of Bergen County.
I don't know, just thrown it out there.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
You have.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
This though, from John Kirby on behalf of the Biden administration,
speaking about what's going on here with these obvious drone
something or others up in the sky in Jersey Plate
twenty seven.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
We have no evidence at this time that the reported
drone sightings pose a national security or a public safety threat,
or have.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
A foreign in nexus.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are investigating
these sightings, and they're working closely with state and local
law enforcement to provide resources using numerous detection methods to
better understand their origin, using very sophisticated electronic detection technologies
provided by federal authorities. We have not been able to,
and neither have state or local law enforcement of authorities,
(20:00):
roborate any of the reported visual sightings to the contrary,
upon review of available imagery, it appears that many of
the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft that are being
operated lawfully.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So there are no UFOs. Now, this is this is
we got all this reporting. Look, I'm not there. I'm
not seeing anything, right, I'm just reporting on the reporting.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We have not been able to and neither stated or
local law enforcement authorities corroborate any of the reported visual sightings.
To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears
many of the reported sightings are manned aircraft being operated lawfully.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So there's nothing to see here. Now, this is where,
this is where we are. So there are no UFOs
or there are no objects in the sky that are
a little weird to people. Ah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Don't they haven't like men in black. They have this
wand or something that they can erase your memory, or
they wave the wand or for those who love Star Wars,
vastly superior to Harry Potter. You know the Jedi what
a the Jedi mind trick or whatever they can do.
There's a version of that in Dune right where they
(21:15):
have like the voice, the scary voice that she can use,
the Benny Jesuit voice whatever that is? All right, I'm
getting I'm getting off track.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm weaving. It's not rambling, it's weaving. Ask Trump, but
I am weaving. For sure. We got a lot of
you weighing into on here we Go.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
A lot of you weighing in on a bunch of
things here, including the movies I asked for best. I
asked for best alien movies because you know, we're going
into a holiday season.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It be a fun here we go. This is the
the people writing in on that one. We've got.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Battleship, A lot of you saying battleship, and and you
know what. I love you all, but I can't say
I agree. I thought that movie was ridiculous. I mean,
it was kind of fun to watch, but that doesn't
mean it's not ridiculous. It's like, here's aliens, and now
it's a battleship fighting them.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Whatever. I know people liked it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It made a lot of money. I have not seen Contact,
which is a hole in my film viewing record. I
have not seen content I've also I haven't seen Interstellar,
which is probably even bigger one man. I really haven't
seen some of the big UFO alien movies out there.
I haven't seen an Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I
(22:37):
the thing is that, but that's not I saw that.
That's at the Arctic Station or whatever. That's a pretty
good sci fi horror movie from back in the day.
It's really creepy scenes. So I guess I haven't seen
no one wrote an Independence Day. Really with this crowd,
with all of you, no one's given love to Independence Day.
I find that the movie obviously not the Nashville Holiday.
(23:00):
I find that a little surprising. That's a little surprising.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So here we are now, John Kirby is saying, is nothing.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I mean, is that? Are we gonna buy that?
Speaker 9 (23:09):
Are we?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Are we accepting that there's all these people suddenly seeing
things in New Jersey. It's just a it's a localized
mass hysteria or a contagion, psychological epidemic of sorts. It
seems a little sketchy to me, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean, I think we could all agree that's a
little weird. That doesn't really seem like that would add up.
But you know, I I guess we got some Do
we still have U?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Dwight in Bowling Green, Kentucky with us? All right, let's
go to doctor Dwight in Kentucky. He's a physician. What's up, Dwight?
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What I grew up in a medical home. My dad
was a doctor, started as practicing sixty four and mother
was a nurse and he worked in both for profit
and not for profit you know, hospital settings. And I mean,
I'm a physician myself, but the whole thing talking about
what would be the alternative, Well, the alternative in this
country would be the VA health system. That would be
(24:09):
our national healthcare model would perform about like that. And
we all, most of us, do residencies in VA hospitals.
And I would every now and then I was by
myself with one of the vets in the room, I
would say, Hey, if you and I knew their care
was getting delayed, you know, and they were just taking
up a bed waiting for something. And I would say,
(24:30):
if you were given a card from the VA that
you could use anywhere like medicare, would you be here?
And every one of them said no, Talk about delay
of care, talk about they always end up having to
go to a private hospital to get things done because
the VA just can't do it. And the national healthcare
(24:50):
systems in Canada and all throughout Europe, how have they
been able to afford that? All these years We've been
paying their defense bills, Canada's defense bill. They don't need one.
We defend them they have not been they've been able
to use all the money they've saved on defense on
their national healthcare system. They wouldn't have it as good
(25:12):
if it wasn't for the American text.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And just to just to throw this in there, Doc,
I've spoken to many Canadians. Maybe we could have some
Canadians call in, because we do have listeners up there.
A maybe you could call in and tell us what
it's like. I hear horror stories from Canada about you know,
waiting six months for a surgery, that somebody's in substantial pain,
waiting huge lengths of time for specialist care, et cetera,
(25:38):
et cetera, and the same thing you hear in the UK.
I might add, and you know, some of these European
countries are now moving more and more into the let's
just euthanize people if they're uncomfortable toward the end or whatever.
They do not have the answers in these other countries
where they're doing this.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And I remember I was in England for about four
months about twenty something years ago, and one of the
guys I met there, he was an older gentleman. He
had invested his money, he was able to pay for
private insurance and they allowed they started allowing that twenty five,
twenty years ago, to have probably you know, these National
healthcare doctors work in their own offices. After they were
(26:16):
done in their office working National healthcare, and he went
this young son was doing something silly and fell on
his head and they went to the emergency room and
they just didn't you know, they didn't even X ray
because it didn't fit their quote criteria. And so he
went home. This young boy took his young boy home,
still had neck pain. So they took him to a
private doctor. They did an X ray of his neck.
(26:39):
How cheap is an X ray cheap? He had a
fractured vertebrate, but those knuckleheads at the emergency room in
the National healthcare system said it didn't meet criteria for
a simple neck X ray. I'm sorry, that is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Okay, and I just if you thank you so much
doctor calling in for those who were like, yeah, yeah,
the health you know, the insurers are the enemy again.
I understand. I have gone through denial of care. I
have gone through can't afford a surgery I have gone
through in my so I get it. But if you
think Bernie Sanders has the answers with single paya, It's
(27:18):
gonna be like free for everybody. You have been asleep
for the last hundred years of capitalism. Okay, it is
not the answer. It is not going to make things better.
Why do people think Obama socialist? Obama the socialist who
will lie about anything, including you can keep your doctor
if you like your doctor. Why was this the big
(27:38):
thing when they had their once in a generation majority
in the House and the Senate and were able to
ram through absolutely anything they wanted. It was to drive
us deeper into this because what happens the system just
it gets further corroded, the incentives are misaligned, and eventually,
you know what happens, people say, well, let's just have
(27:58):
the government.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Take over the whole thing. I promise you that will
not make it better.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And the hole it will blow in our budget when
we're already thirty six trillion dollars in debt is gonna
be so much worse than anybody can imagine. Right now,
here's a perfect example. Why I live in Florida, I
should I only should be paying and dealing with Florida taxes.
I used to live in New York, New York has
(28:25):
double the budget as a state that Florida. Does you
know where most of New York's money goes to medicaid?
I mean, in terms of budget items medicate huge, huge
amounts of money spent into the health. Do you think
people in New York are a lot healthier than people
in Florida?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
This is because these bureaucracies, there's no cost controls. Things
get completely out of control. It's all a total mess.
The incentives are mis aligned. I remember, and I know
this sounds like a digression and I'm weaving again, but
you know what I like to weave.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
What can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm a weaver. When I was in college, I remember
with my roommates carrying up a and it was like
our prize possession, a big screen TV at the time.
And I'm I think it costs I don't know, like
six or seven hundred bucks. We all, you know, we
four of us lived together, We all pulled our money.
We got this big TV for our living room in
(29:19):
our house. Right and as college kids, this thing must
have weighed like four hundred pounds. And remember that's then,
so we want to say it's like eight hundred dollars TV.
And that wasn't even the most expensive TV, but eight
hundred dollars TV, and you know now that would be
like at least a sixteen hundred dollars two thousand dollars TV.
And this thing, the picture wasn't great. It weighed like
two hundred pounds, you.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Know it was.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The thing was big. It took up all this space.
Are you god?
Speaker 9 (29:43):
They're practically handing out sixty inch flat screens with high
def whatever capitalism efficiency incentives these things matter. We're still
you still go get get an X ray with the
same technology that were using x rays fifty years ago,
and they're charging your insurance.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Whatever they The whole thing is a mess.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
To think that going after one person at a healthcare
company is going to change anything in a positive.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Way is delusional.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It is delusional, and this is why the cry baby
left is all about this. By the way, in Canada,
two thirds of Canadians have to get private health insurance
to supplement their crappy government insurance.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well what does that tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It tells you that a massive bureaucracy in charge of
your health is never going to be the answer.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It is not going to work.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And people even talking about the VA. The VA is
for a small relative the whole size of America subset
of Americans who are owed something that was promised them
by the government in exchange for their service, and even
that is very it's unwieldy. It's not as good as
(31:01):
it should be. A lot of veterans say it's terrible.
Some say it's good.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I've heard both sides of it. But it's not like
the VA has it all figured out by any stretch.
And that's for you know, I've to checked a number,
I don't know what, ten, five, ten percent or something
of people receiving healthcare. It's a small fraction of Americans overall.
So you think you're gonna expand that to three hundred
and fifty million people, it's going to get better.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The average weight for surgery in Canada is like.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Something like a year, you know, something like a year.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And I gotta tell you, people who have to have
that surgery are I think, not happy at all that
they have to wait that long to get their surgery.
It's because of the shortages. It's because it's a big discussion.
I know a lot of stuff here, but I just
(31:56):
the the shorthand of the communist, which is corporation's bed.
So sometimes someone's gonna have to have something bad happen
to them. That is very as a very dark and
destructive pathway to go down. Some say holiday seasons like
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Sometimes it's a monologue. Jesse, I'm sorry, Sean Parnell is
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Speaker 1 (34:55):
Let's see, we have a couple of people we're gonna
take here to close us out. Eric in Wooster, Ohio,
do you say it Worcester instead of like in Massachusetts, Woosta.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
We call it Worlsta.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Oh you say Woosta as well?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, we all say what're here?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Everybody?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
All right? What the there?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
We go?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I learned something new every day. So what's on your mind? Eric?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, first time caller.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
I've been listening to Russian since nineteen eighty six eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I think it was.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Been around a while, but I listen to you guys
every day. Fantastic jobs, Russia, be proud, Thank you so much, welcome.
I won't speak the kid's name, that the murderer. I
should just call him a murderer is what he is.
I wouldn't speak his name on the radio. Is no
no sense in giving him any type of recognition. First
(35:51):
of all, he should be charged first degree murderer. Was
planned boom lying, I don't know why they're beating around
the bush with it.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
It should be charged as first degree if he was
caught with the weapon and they have the evidence they have,
the charges should be bought for the first degree and
he should have the capital punished for a death. And
that that young lady on that it's talking to peers
for the Browston. They can't think of his name, Pierce.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, yeah, on the Pierce Broson Show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
What she said was what she said was was was gross.
I totally agree. Thank you, my friend for calling it,
thank you for the kind words. We're at uh, we're
at time here. But a note some of you pointed
out now that I've asked about the best alien shows
while the Biden White House is saying there are no UFOs.
In New Jersey News, the New Jersey Ins, but also
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