March 12, 2024 • 36 mins
Origin of Tennessee Volunteers nickname. Hur testifies that Biden lied. Hur says the White House got early review of his report, asked that edits be made. Tucker Carlson-Chris Cuomo interview. How much would it take for Clay or Buck to step into the ring with Ronda Rousey?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Want to
thank WFLA ninety six point three one oh two point
five in Panama City, Florida, God's Country down here on
the Florida Gulf Coast where I am broadcasting all week long,
and appreciate you guys for listening.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Bucks down in Miami.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We appreciate the great State of Florida for fighting and
battling as so many states refused to do. Bucket's the
four year anniversary of Sports basically shutting down all over
the country, which was an early sign that Americas was
losing its mind and that many places were going to
shut down. But I know for you who are now
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a Florida resident, and for me who came down to
Florida at the end of April in twenty twenty and
spend a month here with my family. I remember posting
a video of Cinco de Mayo twenty twenty when I
took my family my kids out to a Mexican restaurant
and said, everybody needs to get back to normal. You
got dragged, if I remember correctly, for saying America needed
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to be opened by Easter. You're one hundred percent right
on that. That was probably the time when everybody decided
that you wanted everybody's grandma to die. When I posted
that video of Cinco de Mayo of my whole family
out in an indoor restaurant eating, you would have thought
that I was calling for mass execution of grandma's in America.
Based on the way people responded, You and I were right.
(01:32):
I think one of the reasons we're doing this show
today is because we were right about all of that
craziness that was going on. We got a bunch to
get to the Trump driver testimony. I want to mention
Robert her proving that Joe Biden was a liar beyond
a shadow of a doubt. We got a couple of
cuts from that. But I wanted to hit this with Kendra,
who wrote in Clay, I live in Knoxville. I want
(01:54):
an invite to your sec showdown party. We made disagree
on the flute, but I had your back on salsa
as the superior dip and and she said, love the show. Now,
question for you history nerd History Nerd Buck. Why is
Tennessee called the volunteers? Why is Tennessee the volunteer state?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Because the War of eighteen twelve they were asking for
people to join up and fight, particularly against the Allied
tribes called the Red Clubs of Memory Serves who had
these Red War Clubs. And Davy Crockett was actually involved
in some of those smaller operations. Are trying to go
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after them, and you're winning back. You're winning back some
people here, but continue. And Andrew Jackson was a commanding
officer of some of those operations as well. And I
think they were allied with the the Chippewa at one point.
Was the Chippewa. Gosh, I gotta remember the names of
the different tribes, but Choctaw. There we go, Choctaw Indians
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and uh yeah, So that's that's the volunteers because they
volunteered to join up and fight against the British in
the War of eighteen twelve. So there you go, all right,
So you may not know where volunteer with people. People
just always freak out about the burning, you know. And
Madison had to flee and Dolly Madison had to run away,
and everyone's like, oh my gosh, they've burned down the.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
White House and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
The British were using tribes all along the frontier to
go and scalp settlers and and then of course we
worked with some or rather Americans work with some tribes.
But that's where the valls comes from. So all right,
So now am I still welcome? I still welcome in.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We're gonna you want a lot of people back with
that knowledge of the volunteer moniker.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So so yes, that's all good.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All right, I want to play right before we get
into this, which which I thought was a super interesting
There's a couple of Robert her cuts. Biden's been proven
to be a liar here. These are relatively short cuts,
but I want to play him to make sure I
courage you guys to go listen to the first hour
we laid out all of these details. Cut twenty nine
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and cut thirty two. Let's start with cut twenty nine.
Robert Hurr says his report did not exonerate Joe Biden
at all.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Listen, So this lengthy, expensive and independent investigation resulted in
a complete exoneration of President Joe Biden for every document
you discussed in your report, you found insufficient evidence that
the president violated any laws about possession or retention of
classified materials. The primary law that you analyzed for potential
prosecution was part of the Espionage Act eighteen Usc. Seven
(04:35):
ninety three E, which criminalizes will for retention or disclosure
of national defense information.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Is that correct, Congressman, that is one statute that we analyzed.
I need to go back and make sure that I
take note of a word that you use, exoneration.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That is the word.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I'm going to continue with my question to ask us.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm going to continue with my questions.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I know that's the term.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I ultimately reach.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
I know that evidence existed such that the likely you
exonerate a conviction.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I know, mister hurts my time.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know when someone's being really childish and you don't
want to hear their response and you go no no, no, no,
no no, and you put your fingers in your ears.
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You just know he makes some noise, and that is
what the congresswoman is doing there. She's refusing to let
him say anything because she just wanted to put it
on the record that he exonerated him. And that is
not that is not what he does, nor rather, that's
not his role, nor is it what he did that's right?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And I want to play two more. I said one,
but these are really good. This is Jerry Nadler, who
is to me not a particularly smart man.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But when you're asking questions, remember he's a Democrat from
New York. He's trying to get Robert hr to admit
that what Joe Biden did wasn't very bad.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Do you have any reason to believe President Biden lied
to you? One of the cardinal rules of every lawyer
is don't ask questions you don't know the answer to.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Again, listen to this.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
At any point in your investigation, do you do you
have any reason to believe that President Biden lied to you?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I do address in my report one response. The President
gave a question that we opposed to them that we
deemed to be not credible.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So yes, there is evidence that that potentially a lie.
During that interview happened. Also Jim Jordan, our friend, congressman
from Ohio, Buck asked whether the white House tried to
get this report changed before it was released to the public.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Did the White House get the report before the report
was made public.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
We did provide a draft of the report to the
White House Council's Office and members of the President's Personal
Council team for their review.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
I understand, and did the White House then, once they
got the report before it went public? Did the White
House tried to weigh in with your investigation on elements
of that report and frankly get the report changed.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
They did request certain edits and changes to the draft report.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So they got an early review. They asked that edits
be made that they did not like from the report.
I mean, to me, Buck, Biden is dead to rights.
And if I were in the Republican Congress now, what
I would be focused on is if Biden loses in
twenty twenty four. There is now ample evidence of him
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retaining classified documents. You mentioned that Teksarah Kid, and I
say kid because he's like nineteen or twenty or whatever
the heck he was. He got sixteen years. There are
seven different for classified documents. There are seven different locations
where Joe Biden had classified documents. If you Buck, you
were in CIA, you had clearance. If it had been
(07:44):
discovered that you had classified documents in seven different locations.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
What would have happened to.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You, uh, Fired, clearance revoked, and likely had to go
into negotiations with federal prosecutors about pleading to something to
try to avoid or at least spend an absolute bare
minimum of time in prison. I think General Petraeus, who
pleaded guilty to a felony, I think that he had
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like a they were thinking about a six month sentence
or something like that firm and then it was a
suspended sentence. But that's what would happen. What would happen
is you would end up never having a clearance again.
You your career would be over, and you'd be hoping
to avoid spending more than a couple of years in prison.
That's that would to me, that's what would have happened.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And that's not just you.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's like many thousands of people with security clearance all
over the United States government if that happened.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean hundreds of thousands. I mean a huge
number of people. When you added the military and the
rest of it have security clearance. So for the rest
of us, it would have been extremely extremely serious consequences.
And let's understand Biden was doing this when he was
a senator, and he was doing this name as a
vice president. He does not have any presidential prerogative correct
with regard to those documents when he took them and
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when they were you know, outside of of those official channels.
So he's just he's like everybody. He's supposed to be
subject to the rules like everybody else. Donald Trump has
a different defense, as in, if I'm the president and
I say I'm taking these home while I'm president, guess
what I'm taking them home.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And this is important too that I think needs to
be slammed home and made a big deal of. You
and I have been to mar A Lago several times.
When we walk into mar A Lago and we have
interviewed the President of the United States there, as many
of you have listened to us, they wand us.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
They do background checks on us. You can't just roll up.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
To mar A Lago and start walking around anywhere in
that property you want to go. It's behind Secret Service protection.
Everywhere that Joe Biden the private documents were found was
wide open. He had them in the garage by his corvette.
He had a Kokehead's son who had access to all
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this stuff. Tons of other different employees at mar a lago,
you're behind a security.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And again you and I can speak to this directly ourselves.
You can't just wander freely around the mar Lago property.
You have to be cleared. You have to be there.
They check to see, as they should, whether you have weapons,
you're wanded, They do a background check on you. None
of that applies to Biden. If you were analyzing, leave
aside the presidential immunity claim, if you were analyzing the
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recklessness with which these individuals behaved, Biden's behavior in having
classified documents seven different places without security protection is far
more reckless than anything Trump did, because again, this was
behind security Secret Service. They found these places all inside
(10:46):
of a secure location, that is where the president of
the United States, former president.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Is being kept safe.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
This is very different, and frankly, I don't understand how
they can argue that Biden isn't far worse in his
behavior than everything with Trump, even leaving aside the presidential
immunity claim.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And this is I think the point in the conversation
where I could interject, I can go full e or
here and tell you none of this is going to
blow back on Biden. It will not matter his voters
will not care, the system will not punish him. His
son is going to be fully pardoned by Joe Biden
when we're having.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Such a happy, happy show so far, and they're having
a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But I'm going to tell you there will be no
justice on any of this, and they will continue with
the prosecution of Donald Trump, including for the classified uh
you know, the classified issues at mar A Lago, despite
the fact that they've let Joe Biden get away with it.
I mean, the the double standard here is very, very obvious,
(11:48):
and they're going to do it because they think they
can and they think they'll get away with it, And unfortunately,
I don't see unless Trump wins and decides that there
is going to be there will be consequences for this,
and I'm not even sure what those would be. They're
probably right because nothing here. The Democrats are dug in.
They say there's nothing wrong. I mean, I don't what
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are the Democrats even really arguing that he's not senile.
That's absurd, that he didn't take the documents we know
he did, that he's not supposed to do this, or
that he is supposed to do this.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
We know he's not.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
They really don't have a position other than Donald Trump bad,
Donald Trump bad.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
That's all they can say.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, I think you're a hundred percent right, and it's
why I think the pushback on the argument they're trying
to make is, oh, he was exonerated. He did absolutely
nothing wrong. Right, they're trying to use that word exonerate
him because.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Blaytant lie, total a lie. What the report found was
that he's senile, so we shouldn't lock him up because
he doesn't know any better. And the problem with that
is should you give that guy four more years as president?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
The problem is again they're really he painted him into
a corner. Either you argue he's not senile, which would
mean he should be charged with a crime, or you
argue he is senile, which means.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
He shouldn't be charged with the crime.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So either way, he's actually getting the beneficial treatment here.
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Clay and Buck. I've been picking up some heat online here.
We're gonna get into the CNN Tucker I'm sorry, the
Cuomo Tucker interview in a.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Couple of minutes. I think there's some interesting exchanges there.
And I just.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I've been getting a bit of heat because of my
stance on the movie Oppenheimer, which even some of our
esteemed patriot scholar listeners, some of them seem to disagree
with me on a lot of them. A lot of
you agree with me that Oppenheimer was long and boring
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and kind of a whitewash of the threat of communism.
The idea that, oh, well, we have nukes, so now
the Soviets should have nukes too, because that will be
parody because you know, everyone's the same.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's insane.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It was a horrible, insane idea, and people betrayed their country,
including some people who had been given refuge in this
country from other places, in order to give that parody.
But anyway, I put that aside. The most important thing
is that it was just boring, and the middle part
of it was okay, but the first hour and the
third hour really bad. And people can disagree with me
on that, but that just means they're wrong. Now, Clay,
(15:35):
you saw Dune two and you were a big fan,
A plus fantastic.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Everyone should see it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes, I went with my sixteen year old yesterday, who
has read the Dune books.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He read the Dune books. We watched this weekend. I
think I told you, guys, I somehow missed it. In
twenty twenty one. With the kids and everything else, I
used to see every movie that came out. I haven't
seen Oppenheimer, I haven't seen Barbie.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I haven't seen any of these things that everybody's watching.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I barely can keep up with the sports now, so
I had not seen it this weekend, he said, Dad,
I think you'll like it.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We watched June one.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Dune two is fabulous, and I didn't even realize it
feels as I watch it like George Lucas for Star
Wars used a ton of the Dune story as part
of the inspiration. Even Tattowin compared to the desert planet
that starts with Luke Skywalker on it it even, I mean,
(16:36):
it's amazing how much he borrowed. And again, that's how
culture works. You see something, you build something new. But
it's amazing how much he borrowed from the books Dune
to create Star Wars and the way it's being watched now.
A lot of people are saying, oh, Dune looks like
Star Wars.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
No, no, No.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Dune was the beginning part of the inspiration I think
for Star Wars, but chronologically, because the Star Wars movies
were made before these Dune movies, it feels like that
dude is borrowing from Star Wars instead of vice versa.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'm glad we get to talk about this because occasionally,
especially for people who have listened to me for a
very long time now going on thirteen years, I'm accused
of being grumpy about movies and saying that all movies suck.
That is not true. June one is a very good movie.
You and I like that two. I had not seen fantastic.
June one is a fantastic movie for what it is.
I'm sure I haven't seen it yet because Carrot doesn't
(17:28):
like sci fi. You know, nobody's perfect. But I'm I'm
sure I'm going to like Dune two. You and I
both like Top Gun Maverick. I thought All Quiet, All
the Western Front the Net, which was released on Netflix.
Was a phenomenal World War One movie, like I Call Them,
like I See Him, just I know that it got
seven oscars. Oppenheimer is a trash movie and it's way too,
(17:51):
way too favorable to comis in my opinion, because that
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Speaker 3 (18:57):
You've talked about for a while. You worked at CNN.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Obviously I still work at Fox, Fox News and Fox Sports.
About the fact that there's almost no true discussion anymore.
And Tucker Carlson. Back in the day crossfire existed on CNN,
you had a variety of perspectives. Even back in the
day on Fox News, people have forgotten about it. There
(19:20):
was Hannity and Colmes, where Colmes was like the liberal
guy who would kind of get slapped around a little bit.
But the idea was you have a divergent opinion. One
guy or one gal argues one thing, the other side
argues the other and everybody can kind of look at
their respective arguments and have to make them in an
intelligent way. Now, MSNBC would not have you on, they
(19:41):
wouldn't have me on, They wouldn't even think of it.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I'm banned at CNN.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You walked away from CNN because they basically stopped putting
anybody who was anything other than.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
A shill for the Left on air.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So that's why I was intrigued when I saw this
conversation that Tucker Carlson had with Cuomo, and I know
you watch some of it as well.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm a little jealous that you got a full on
ban from CNN, because, as I've said, that's like being
banned from North Korea, being banned from Iran.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Like you're proud of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's a great I just know I'm not welcome, but
I'm not officially banned.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
They will not allow me to appear on CNN. I
have been given the band hammer. It would be a
good question how many people are actually banned from CNN.
And I guarantee you, to my knowledge, I'm banned at
ESPN too. They will not allow me to be on air.
I don't know that there's anyone in America who is
banned at both CNN.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And ESPN other than me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But I watched this interview last night, and I'm embarrassed
to say I don't know about you.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Sometimes I get.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
In bed and I start to scroll through I'm like, okay,
let me check and see right before I go to sleep,
what's the news so I can prepare, and then in
the morning I'll wake up and check and see what change.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But this is probably after midnight. I get in bed.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And I'm scrolling through and I'm like, I'm gonna watch
like five minutes of this Tucker and Chris Cuomo interview.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's one thirty in the morning, and I look down
and I've been watching this thing on my phone for
an hour and a half. I really found it very
captivating interesting. I've been no fans, certainly of Chris Cuomo.
His COVID coverage really drove me crazy. But I'll be
honest with you. Hearing Tucker and Chris Cuomo talk together,
(21:25):
I already like Tucker.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
You do too, We know him. He's a good dude.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I really kind of liked Chris Cuomo too, and I
thought the conversation between the two of them was very
interesting and positive for both of them.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Also, you know, I know you had your famous on
screen moment with with Brooke Baldwin. There's your whom I
know or used to know pretty well. There's what you
get from CNN personalities on the air, and then there's
what you get from some of these people off the air,
and they are not the same thing, like you know,
(22:01):
anyone and some of you you know, have have met
me in person different places, and we do live events
and different things, and.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Far cheaper than two hundred and fifty K. By the way,
just to be clear, that.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Was we're just throwing that out there, as you know,
see if anybody would bite on that one. But no,
but when when we meet you at live events, we're
the same all the time. I mean, we always joke
around that if if somebody heard us. One thing that's
good about being yourself on the air is that if
anybody heard, like I still call them commies when I'm
making tea and hanging out with my wife, like nothing changes,
Like this is same thing with you, Like we're we're
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the same guys all the time. CNN people, especially when
they get to a higher level, they begin to do
what the organization wants them to do at the expense
of what they really think and who they really are
as people. It's very seductive. Do you want to be famous?
Do you want to make five maybe ten million dollars
a year, or you know, do you want to be
(22:54):
a kind of mid level CNN person making you know,
a few hundred grand and you could get your contract
can continued at any moment, right, very seductive for them.
So I think Chris Cuomo got caught up in that
to some degree because I know people who know him
and they say he's actually a pretty nice guy and
uh and and a pretty reasonable guy in person.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You told me, and I'm still never met her. That
Brooke Baldwin who claimed that she was offended when I
said the boobs in first Amendment thing on CNN, that
if we were not on air, that she's actually a
very likely person and that if we had a beer,
for instance, we would get along.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
If she if you had said that on like the
Brooke Baldwin podcast, or on the or on like the
An OutKick show, she would have left. Yes, but she
knew that Jeff Zucker was watching. And CNN is very serious,
and you know, this is the expectation you have from
the people writing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
We should invite her to.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Come on the show you want, We should reach out,
we should see talk to you came on.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
She was seven years.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Later raged at your first amendment of boobs commentary.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Clayton, I don't think he would be well, seven years later,
she's not over it, then, then I would you did
you see we made a joke about this? And we'll
get to the quoma did you see that slate which
I didn't even know still existed. Maybe we'll do this
at the end. But they're offended by the power of
Sydney Sweeney's boobs, since we're talking.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
About if we don't get back to you start talking boobs,
we're never going to.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Get Let's play this. Let's play this, guys. We got
a couple of clips. This is Tucker and Cuomo, and
I would encourage you guys to go listen to it.
But they're having a conversation. Chris Cuomo is he.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Looks like a WWE wrestler. I mean he has like
he is monstrous and stack.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
If he has a stack, I kind of want to
know what's in his stack. I'm just throwing it up there.
Whatever he's taken. His biceps look like hul Coogan's biceps.
But they're talking about, uh, the way they treat men
and women, and Tucker makes the case he treats women
differently because he's a man.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Listen to this. I don't make a gender distinction. Really,
I know too many women who can kick my ass,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Like, I don't think that's not true. I do name
one you could kick your ass. So I'm six one,
or it was before I head back surgery.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I was gonna say, yeah, you know, we're trying to
be trying to be real with each other here.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You're a lot taller than I am.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Okay, I'm just saying, and you're famously a bodybuilder. There's
not one woman in America can kick your ass. It's
just not true.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And you know it's not true. And you have to say, you.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Went to the US, you went to the UFC fight,
You think you could get.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
In there with the women come out?
Speaker 8 (25:31):
No, I'm saying you specifically.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Okay, First of all, that's that was really interesting because
there I think, first of all, Tucker corners, and we'll
get do you want to We'll get the other clip.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And one let's do you want to play the other one? Okay?
When you analyze this, yeah, let's what do you want
to play the other one?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right now, let's play the other one as well, and
then we'll break. Here's the second part of that.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
If you've got into an argument, and I know you
well enough to know if you're standing in a restaurant.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Someone's like Chris, you punch him out. If a woman
got way up in your face, I would know exactly,
I would exactly.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
So it is a bigger sin, not just against her,
but against yourself and your dignity and your responsibility as
a man.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Your job is to protect one. I'll give you the Jerry.
I don't see it exactly the same way. You don't
want to admit it.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
You're telling me something you know that's not true.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So so what Tucker does is he gets him.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
He says, well, hold on, would you ever hit a woman,
even if she was mouthing off to you? And Paul
under any circumstances? Chris Cromo gives the right answer, which
is no, there's no unless you are in physical defense
of your you know, of your life, basically you as
a man. No, you never lay a hand on a
woman under any circumstances. This again, Chris Cuomo is kind
of he's kind of.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
A guy's guy.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I think, I think respectfully he's he's that's one of
the areas where you could see out of eye with him.
But the propaganda is so deep and so deeply ingrained
that he would say what he knows he has to say,
because this is always in the early days one of
the things that say, should men and women be able
to box againainst each other?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No, of course not. I remember Clay that I was
doing to show years ago.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I was just talking about like women in UFC and
I was like, look, like, you know, anyway, it doesn't
matter how we get there. But I was like I
would throw some of these ladies around and there were
people were flipping out of me either, like that's not true.
I was like, at the time I weighed like two
hundred and ten pounds. These women are one hundred and
twenty pounds, and they're women. There's a huge difference in
size and strength being men and women. He has to
(27:27):
know that, but I think his brain has been it
is seeped through with the propaganda. So we said there
are women who could kick my ass. Chris Groome was
like six three two forty there are no women who
can kick his ass.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It was an insane thing to say.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, the only thing, yes, I agree, unless there's some
you know, expert person who could somehow get him on
the ground and put him into a choke hold.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But I think he could just stand up and throw.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Wouldn't even have the upper body strength, right, wouldn't have
the upper body strength to do it. I mean I
remember Clay, I, you know you said, you said bench
a pretty good amount. I was like a you know,
a desk jockey kind of a guy. And I was
working out at a A this is like a decade ago,
and there were a couple of women who were true
CrossFit competitors, amazing shape, and.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Then I had a belly. Then I got a belly.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Now, like I have no allusions about myself, I get
bench more than both of them.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of course I can. I'm a guy. It wasn't like
that's not even like you're just saying you're a guy.
At that point.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You're not even saying you're strong, right because you're larger,
heavier and everyone. So why would he say something? He
has to know that as a Jim bro he has
to know he's lying.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
That's why I.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Give a pass to some people who you remember when
it turned into controversy when John McEnroe said Serena Williams
would be like the seven hundredth best man, and the
girl who was interviewing him for CNN was.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Like, why would you say that?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
She's not the best in the world, and he was like, well,
she'd be like the seven hundredth best man. That was
incredibly generous to Serena Williams. Most Serena Williams couldn't make
and she's the best female tennis player up there with
stephie Groth of all time. She could not She could
not make a decent men's college team, and most of
(29:06):
those men's college tennis players have no chance to ever
be male professionals.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
She would not win a maybe not a point.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Like if you told me a good D one male
tennis player would beat any female tennis player in the
world most of the time. Now you'd have to be
a good you'd have to be a high level D
one player, like I don't know, maybe Stanford or one
of those schools that has really good tennis, but they
would beat the best females in the world in tennis, certainly,
the best and the lowest pros in the world certainly would.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I talked to a bunch of men's tennis pros after that,
because we got a bunch of men's tennis pros that
loved this show. We thank them for listening, and they
said she wouldn't be one of the ten thousand best
men's players, Serena. So, but that woman who asked that
question isn't a sports person, so she's clueless. To your point,
Cuomo seems like he's a guys guy like sports.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He has to know that this is all bs, like
this whole idea. I love Caitlin Clark. She's a lot
of fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
She couldn't start on a good men's high school basketball team.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
She couldn't like a really good, well made you might
be I might throw a flag on this college.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yes, high school. She got a little.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Start on one of the twenty or thirty best men's
high school teams in the country. She's a great women's player.
I'm not taking anything away from her because biology is real.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Remember when I played Wait Wait, I have a challenge
for you. You got a challenge for this. Yes, we got
to extend the show today of this whatever. Have you
ever met in person, in person as an adult, a
woman that you thought could kick your ass in an
all out fight.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I met Ronda Rousey, and I was a long past
and I'm trying to think. I met Ronda Rousey once
and I asked her to put me in an arm bar.
This is one hundred percent true. In the Fox Sports
green room when Ronda Rowsey was the absolute apex of
her UFC fighting right, she was the women's like UFC champion,
(31:04):
I said, put me in an arm bar, don't break
my arm, but I just want to see if I
can get I was in a suit in the Fox
Sports green room. I said, Horonda, put me in and
she had no idea who I was. Put me in
an arm bar. I just want to see what it
feels like. I think at her apex, Ronda Rousey would
have kicked my ass. I think the only woman that
(31:24):
I've ever met, which is like or one fifty and
I'm one EIGHTYKA tough. She's been trained to choke people out.
I've never been trained in any grappling. I don't know
like any you know, particular fighting. She spent her whole
life doing it. I think she's the only woman that
I've met in person that I think could kick my ass.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, I've never met her. So the answer, have you.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Met a woman who's in person that you thought could
kick your ass?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
No chance.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
My little my little brother and I we did we
did a martial arts class together at one point Krav mcguy,
you know is Raeli martial arts from one of the
instructors was a woman who weighed like one hundred and
ten pounds, And to this day he still irks me
by saying that she could kick my ass.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And I'm like, absolutely, not absolutely, she is a big deal. Yes, yes,
I am twice her size. She has no chance. Then
he always says she'd get like a throat shot anyway.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Class. That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's all of these like Brazilian jiu jitsu people, like
they get your pinky in a hold and they put
you to sleep. I don't know how it works. She
has been trained. I think she would kick my ass.
Ronda Rowsey only woman I've ever met that I thought
could kick my ass.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, there you go. I think Britney Grinder could kick
my ass. She's like six foot nine.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Well he's like, you just gotta you just gotta go
go for the legs, you gotta sweep the legs.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I don't think either one of them could beat
Chris Cuomo's And he's too forty to forty and he
looks like pop.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Probably I can look at him and tell you not,
you know, I live in Miami, so I picked this
up through osmosis.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I'm not like a real gimbro. Anyone who sees me
he knows that.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
But uh, he probably benches three to three hundred fifty pounds.
I would guess just based on his side, I bet
he could bench press three hundred plus. There's no woman
like on the planet who can do that. And I
know it's not all about just brute strength, but it's
also about you know, bone density, weight, fast twitch muscle.
There's just no So his idea that there are women
who could kick his ass. Why first of all, why
would he say that. That's such a like fake bro
(33:19):
thing to say, like, oh, I know there are girls
that can kick my ass.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
No you don't. Why say it?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Would He would never admit some guy could kick his ass,
maybe like you know, Mike Tyson and his heyday or something,
But he would say that about women.
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Speaker 4 (35:13):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck, where this conversation is continuing.
Usually we're talking about saving the country and the constitution,
but as dudes, are there any chicks who could beat
us in fights? Two over the Hill radio hosts weighing
in on this one.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I just asked, Buck, how much would you have to
get paid to fight Ronda Rousey?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I told them, and now that it's like, says, I
do it for ten million bucks. Ten because it would
have to be enough that I could I could live
somewhere in solitude and never have to work again. Because
if she absolutely whooped my ass, which is possible, I
would never live that down.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
If she choked you out every opinion that you shared
for the rest of your life, the immediate first response
would be her putting you to sleep. It wouldn't even
matter what you were saying. That would be like the
number one response for every opinion you shared for the
rest of your life. So you've got a lot at stake.
That's why I was like, what dollar figure? I don't
think I would fight her. I don't think there's a
dollar figure. It would have to be like one hundred
(36:11):
million dollars because I think she might choke me out
put me to sleep.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, you know, you gotta just throw some elbows if
you won.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You beat up a girl like that's a high risk reward.
People are like, oh, good for you. You're a grown man.
You beat up a girl, she puts you to sleep,
You're done for you. I don't know that you could
ever even like be a public figure anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, do you think you make average high school girls
track team right now based on your foot speed?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Me?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
No, I can't run at all. Me no, I can't
remember last time I sprinted. My back hurts just sitting here.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Want to
thank WFLA ninety six point three one oh two point
five in Panama City, Florida, God's Country down here on
the Florida Gulf Coast where I am broadcasting all week long,
and appreciate you guys for listening.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Bucks down in Miami.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We appreciate the great State of Florida for fighting and
battling as so many states refused to do. Bucket's the
four year anniversary of Sports basically shutting down all over
the country, which was an early sign that Americas was
losing its mind and that many places were going to
shut down. But I know for you who are now
(00:47):
a Florida resident, and for me who came down to
Florida at the end of April in twenty twenty and
spend a month here with my family. I remember posting
a video of Cinco de Mayo twenty twenty when I
took my family my kids out to a Mexican restaurant
and said, everybody needs to get back to normal. You
got dragged, if I remember correctly, for saying America needed
(01:10):
to be opened by Easter. You're one hundred percent right
on that. That was probably the time when everybody decided
that you wanted everybody's grandma to die. When I posted
that video of Cinco de Mayo of my whole family
out in an indoor restaurant eating, you would have thought
that I was calling for mass execution of grandma's in America.
Based on the way people responded, You and I were right.
(01:32):
I think one of the reasons we're doing this show
today is because we were right about all of that
craziness that was going on. We got a bunch to
get to the Trump driver testimony. I want to mention
Robert her proving that Joe Biden was a liar beyond
a shadow of a doubt. We got a couple of
cuts from that. But I wanted to hit this with Kendra,
who wrote in Clay, I live in Knoxville. I want
(01:54):
an invite to your sec showdown party. We made disagree
on the flute, but I had your back on salsa
as the superior dip and and she said, love the show. Now,
question for you history nerd History Nerd Buck. Why is
Tennessee called the volunteers? Why is Tennessee the volunteer state?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Because the War of eighteen twelve they were asking for
people to join up and fight, particularly against the Allied
tribes called the Red Clubs of Memory Serves who had
these Red War Clubs. And Davy Crockett was actually involved
in some of those smaller operations. Are trying to go
(02:38):
after them, and you're winning back. You're winning back some
people here, but continue. And Andrew Jackson was a commanding
officer of some of those operations as well. And I
think they were allied with the the Chippewa at one point.
Was the Chippewa. Gosh, I gotta remember the names of
the different tribes, but Choctaw. There we go, Choctaw Indians
(03:00):
and uh yeah, So that's that's the volunteers because they
volunteered to join up and fight against the British in
the War of eighteen twelve. So there you go, all right,
So you may not know where volunteer with people. People
just always freak out about the burning, you know. And
Madison had to flee and Dolly Madison had to run away,
and everyone's like, oh my gosh, they've burned down the.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
White House and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
The British were using tribes all along the frontier to
go and scalp settlers and and then of course we
worked with some or rather Americans work with some tribes.
But that's where the valls comes from. So all right,
So now am I still welcome? I still welcome in.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We're gonna you want a lot of people back with
that knowledge of the volunteer moniker.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So so yes, that's all good.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All right, I want to play right before we get
into this, which which I thought was a super interesting
There's a couple of Robert her cuts. Biden's been proven
to be a liar here. These are relatively short cuts,
but I want to play him to make sure I
courage you guys to go listen to the first hour
we laid out all of these details. Cut twenty nine
(04:04):
and cut thirty two. Let's start with cut twenty nine.
Robert Hurr says his report did not exonerate Joe Biden
at all.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Listen, So this lengthy, expensive and independent investigation resulted in
a complete exoneration of President Joe Biden for every document
you discussed in your report, you found insufficient evidence that
the president violated any laws about possession or retention of
classified materials. The primary law that you analyzed for potential
prosecution was part of the Espionage Act eighteen Usc. Seven
(04:35):
ninety three E, which criminalizes will for retention or disclosure
of national defense information.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Is that correct, Congressman, that is one statute that we analyzed.
I need to go back and make sure that I
take note of a word that you use, exoneration.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That is the word.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I'm going to continue with my question to ask us.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm going to continue with my questions.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I know that's the term.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I ultimately reach.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
I know that evidence existed such that the likely you
exonerate a conviction.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I know, mister hurts my time.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know when someone's being really childish and you don't
want to hear their response and you go no no, no, no,
no no, and you put your fingers in your ears.
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You just know he makes some noise, and that is
what the congresswoman is doing there. She's refusing to let
him say anything because she just wanted to put it
on the record that he exonerated him. And that is
not that is not what he does, nor rather, that's
not his role, nor is it what he did that's right?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And I want to play two more. I said one,
but these are really good. This is Jerry Nadler, who
is to me not a particularly smart man.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But when you're asking questions, remember he's a Democrat from
New York. He's trying to get Robert hr to admit
that what Joe Biden did wasn't very bad.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Do you have any reason to believe President Biden lied
to you? One of the cardinal rules of every lawyer
is don't ask questions you don't know the answer to.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Again, listen to this.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
At any point in your investigation, do you do you
have any reason to believe that President Biden lied to you?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I do address in my report one response. The President
gave a question that we opposed to them that we
deemed to be not credible.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So yes, there is evidence that that potentially a lie.
During that interview happened. Also Jim Jordan, our friend, congressman
from Ohio, Buck asked whether the white House tried to
get this report changed before it was released to the public.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Did the White House get the report before the report
was made public.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
We did provide a draft of the report to the
White House Council's Office and members of the President's Personal
Council team for their review.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
I understand, and did the White House then, once they
got the report before it went public? Did the White
House tried to weigh in with your investigation on elements
of that report and frankly get the report changed.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
They did request certain edits and changes to the draft report.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So they got an early review. They asked that edits
be made that they did not like from the report.
I mean, to me, Buck, Biden is dead to rights.
And if I were in the Republican Congress now, what
I would be focused on is if Biden loses in
twenty twenty four. There is now ample evidence of him
(07:23):
retaining classified documents. You mentioned that Teksarah Kid, and I
say kid because he's like nineteen or twenty or whatever
the heck he was. He got sixteen years. There are
seven different for classified documents. There are seven different locations
where Joe Biden had classified documents. If you Buck, you
were in CIA, you had clearance. If it had been
(07:44):
discovered that you had classified documents in seven different locations.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
What would have happened to.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You, uh, Fired, clearance revoked, and likely had to go
into negotiations with federal prosecutors about pleading to something to
try to avoid or at least spend an absolute bare
minimum of time in prison. I think General Petraeus, who
pleaded guilty to a felony, I think that he had
(08:12):
like a they were thinking about a six month sentence
or something like that firm and then it was a
suspended sentence. But that's what would happen. What would happen
is you would end up never having a clearance again.
You your career would be over, and you'd be hoping
to avoid spending more than a couple of years in prison.
That's that would to me, that's what would have happened.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And that's not just you.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's like many thousands of people with security clearance all
over the United States government if that happened.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean hundreds of thousands. I mean a huge
number of people. When you added the military and the
rest of it have security clearance. So for the rest
of us, it would have been extremely extremely serious consequences.
And let's understand Biden was doing this when he was
a senator, and he was doing this name as a
vice president. He does not have any presidential prerogative correct
with regard to those documents when he took them and
(08:57):
when they were you know, outside of of those official channels.
So he's just he's like everybody. He's supposed to be
subject to the rules like everybody else. Donald Trump has
a different defense, as in, if I'm the president and
I say I'm taking these home while I'm president, guess
what I'm taking them home.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And this is important too that I think needs to
be slammed home and made a big deal of. You
and I have been to mar A Lago several times.
When we walk into mar A Lago and we have
interviewed the President of the United States there, as many
of you have listened to us, they wand us.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
They do background checks on us. You can't just roll up.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
To mar A Lago and start walking around anywhere in
that property you want to go. It's behind Secret Service protection.
Everywhere that Joe Biden the private documents were found was
wide open. He had them in the garage by his corvette.
He had a Kokehead's son who had access to all
(09:52):
this stuff. Tons of other different employees at mar a lago,
you're behind a security.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And again you and I can speak to this directly ourselves.
You can't just wander freely around the mar Lago property.
You have to be cleared. You have to be there.
They check to see, as they should, whether you have weapons,
you're wanded, They do a background check on you. None
of that applies to Biden. If you were analyzing, leave
aside the presidential immunity claim, if you were analyzing the
(10:24):
recklessness with which these individuals behaved, Biden's behavior in having
classified documents seven different places without security protection is far
more reckless than anything Trump did, because again, this was
behind security Secret Service. They found these places all inside
(10:46):
of a secure location, that is where the president of
the United States, former president.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Is being kept safe.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
This is very different, and frankly, I don't understand how
they can argue that Biden isn't far worse in his
behavior than everything with Trump, even leaving aside the presidential
immunity claim.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And this is I think the point in the conversation
where I could interject, I can go full e or
here and tell you none of this is going to
blow back on Biden. It will not matter his voters
will not care, the system will not punish him. His
son is going to be fully pardoned by Joe Biden
when we're having.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Such a happy, happy show so far, and they're having
a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
But I'm going to tell you there will be no
justice on any of this, and they will continue with
the prosecution of Donald Trump, including for the classified uh
you know, the classified issues at mar A Lago, despite
the fact that they've let Joe Biden get away with it.
I mean, the the double standard here is very, very obvious,
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and they're going to do it because they think they
can and they think they'll get away with it, And unfortunately,
I don't see unless Trump wins and decides that there
is going to be there will be consequences for this,
and I'm not even sure what those would be. They're
probably right because nothing here. The Democrats are dug in.
They say there's nothing wrong. I mean, I don't what
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are the Democrats even really arguing that he's not senile.
That's absurd, that he didn't take the documents we know
he did, that he's not supposed to do this, or
that he is supposed to do this.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
We know he's not.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
They really don't have a position other than Donald Trump bad,
Donald Trump bad.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
That's all they can say.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, I think you're a hundred percent right, and it's
why I think the pushback on the argument they're trying
to make is, oh, he was exonerated. He did absolutely
nothing wrong. Right, they're trying to use that word exonerate
him because.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Blaytant lie, total a lie. What the report found was
that he's senile, so we shouldn't lock him up because
he doesn't know any better. And the problem with that
is should you give that guy four more years as president?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
The problem is again they're really he painted him into
a corner. Either you argue he's not senile, which would
mean he should be charged with a crime, or you
argue he is senile, which means.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
He shouldn't be charged with the crime.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Welcome back into
Clay and Buck. I've been picking up some heat online here.
We're gonna get into the CNN Tucker I'm sorry, the
Cuomo Tucker interview in a.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Couple of minutes. I think there's some interesting exchanges there.
And I just.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I've been getting a bit of heat because of my
stance on the movie Oppenheimer, which even some of our
esteemed patriot scholar listeners, some of them seem to disagree
with me on a lot of them. A lot of
you agree with me that Oppenheimer was long and boring
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and kind of a whitewash of the threat of communism.
The idea that, oh, well, we have nukes, so now
the Soviets should have nukes too, because that will be
parody because you know, everyone's the same.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's insane.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It was a horrible, insane idea, and people betrayed their country,
including some people who had been given refuge in this
country from other places, in order to give that parody.
But anyway, I put that aside. The most important thing
is that it was just boring, and the middle part
of it was okay, but the first hour and the
third hour really bad. And people can disagree with me
on that, but that just means they're wrong. Now, Clay,
(15:35):
you saw Dune two and you were a big fan,
A plus fantastic.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Everyone should see it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yes, I went with my sixteen year old yesterday, who
has read the Dune books.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He read the Dune books. We watched this weekend. I
think I told you, guys, I somehow missed it. In
twenty twenty one. With the kids and everything else, I
used to see every movie that came out. I haven't
seen Oppenheimer, I haven't seen Barbie.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I haven't seen any of these things that everybody's watching.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I barely can keep up with the sports now, so
I had not seen it this weekend, he said, Dad,
I think you'll like it.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We watched June one.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Dune two is fabulous, and I didn't even realize it
feels as I watch it like George Lucas for Star
Wars used a ton of the Dune story as part
of the inspiration. Even Tattowin compared to the desert planet
that starts with Luke Skywalker on it it even, I mean,
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it's amazing how much he borrowed. And again, that's how
culture works. You see something, you build something new. But
it's amazing how much he borrowed from the books Dune
to create Star Wars and the way it's being watched now.
A lot of people are saying, oh, Dune looks like
Star Wars.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
No, no, No.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Dune was the beginning part of the inspiration I think
for Star Wars, but chronologically, because the Star Wars movies
were made before these Dune movies, it feels like that
dude is borrowing from Star Wars instead of vice versa.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'm glad we get to talk about this because occasionally,
especially for people who have listened to me for a
very long time now going on thirteen years, I'm accused
of being grumpy about movies and saying that all movies suck.
That is not true. June one is a very good movie.
You and I like that two. I had not seen fantastic.
June one is a fantastic movie for what it is.
I'm sure I haven't seen it yet because Carrot doesn't
(17:28):
like sci fi. You know, nobody's perfect. But I'm I'm
sure I'm going to like Dune two. You and I
both like Top Gun Maverick. I thought All Quiet, All
the Western Front the Net, which was released on Netflix.
Was a phenomenal World War One movie, like I Call Them,
like I See Him, just I know that it got
seven oscars. Oppenheimer is a trash movie and it's way too,
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Speaker 3 (18:57):
You've talked about for a while. You worked at CNN.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Obviously I still work at Fox, Fox News and Fox Sports.
About the fact that there's almost no true discussion anymore.
And Tucker Carlson. Back in the day crossfire existed on CNN,
you had a variety of perspectives. Even back in the
day on Fox News, people have forgotten about it. There
(19:20):
was Hannity and Colmes, where Colmes was like the liberal
guy who would kind of get slapped around a little bit.
But the idea was you have a divergent opinion. One
guy or one gal argues one thing, the other side
argues the other and everybody can kind of look at
their respective arguments and have to make them in an
intelligent way. Now, MSNBC would not have you on, they
(19:41):
wouldn't have me on, They wouldn't even think of it.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I'm banned at CNN.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You walked away from CNN because they basically stopped putting
anybody who was anything other than.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
A shill for the Left on air.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So that's why I was intrigued when I saw this
conversation that Tucker Carlson had with Cuomo, and I know
you watch some of it as well.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm a little jealous that you got a full on
ban from CNN, because, as I've said, that's like being
banned from North Korea, being banned from Iran.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Like you're proud of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's a great I just know I'm not welcome, but
I'm not officially banned.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
They will not allow me to appear on CNN. I
have been given the band hammer. It would be a
good question how many people are actually banned from CNN.
And I guarantee you, to my knowledge, I'm banned at
ESPN too. They will not allow me to be on air.
I don't know that there's anyone in America who is
banned at both CNN.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And ESPN other than me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But I watched this interview last night, and I'm embarrassed
to say I don't know about you.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Sometimes I get.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
In bed and I start to scroll through I'm like, okay,
let me check and see right before I go to sleep,
what's the news so I can prepare, and then in
the morning I'll wake up and check and see what change.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But this is probably after midnight. I get in bed.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And I'm scrolling through and I'm like, I'm gonna watch
like five minutes of this Tucker and Chris Cuomo interview.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's one thirty in the morning, and I look down
and I've been watching this thing on my phone for
an hour and a half. I really found it very
captivating interesting. I've been no fans, certainly of Chris Cuomo.
His COVID coverage really drove me crazy. But I'll be
honest with you. Hearing Tucker and Chris Cuomo talk together,
(21:25):
I already like Tucker.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
You do too, We know him. He's a good dude.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I really kind of liked Chris Cuomo too, and I
thought the conversation between the two of them was very
interesting and positive for both of them.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Also, you know, I know you had your famous on
screen moment with with Brooke Baldwin. There's your whom I
know or used to know pretty well. There's what you
get from CNN personalities on the air, and then there's
what you get from some of these people off the air,
and they are not the same thing, like you know,
(22:01):
anyone and some of you you know, have have met
me in person different places, and we do live events
and different things, and.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Far cheaper than two hundred and fifty K. By the way,
just to be clear, that.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Was we're just throwing that out there, as you know,
see if anybody would bite on that one. But no,
but when when we meet you at live events, we're
the same all the time. I mean, we always joke
around that if if somebody heard us. One thing that's
good about being yourself on the air is that if
anybody heard, like I still call them commies when I'm
making tea and hanging out with my wife, like nothing changes,
Like this is same thing with you, Like we're we're
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the same guys all the time. CNN people, especially when
they get to a higher level, they begin to do
what the organization wants them to do at the expense
of what they really think and who they really are
as people. It's very seductive. Do you want to be famous?
Do you want to make five maybe ten million dollars
a year, or you know, do you want to be
(22:54):
a kind of mid level CNN person making you know,
a few hundred grand and you could get your contract
can continued at any moment, right, very seductive for them.
So I think Chris Cuomo got caught up in that
to some degree because I know people who know him
and they say he's actually a pretty nice guy and
uh and and a pretty reasonable guy in person.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You told me, and I'm still never met her. That
Brooke Baldwin who claimed that she was offended when I
said the boobs in first Amendment thing on CNN, that
if we were not on air, that she's actually a
very likely person and that if we had a beer,
for instance, we would get along.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
If she if you had said that on like the
Brooke Baldwin podcast, or on the or on like the
An OutKick show, she would have left. Yes, but she
knew that Jeff Zucker was watching. And CNN is very serious,
and you know, this is the expectation you have from
the people writing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
We should invite her to.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Come on the show you want, We should reach out,
we should see talk to you came on.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
She was seven years.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Later raged at your first amendment of boobs commentary.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Clayton, I don't think he would be well, seven years later,
she's not over it, then, then I would you did
you see we made a joke about this? And we'll
get to the quoma did you see that slate which
I didn't even know still existed. Maybe we'll do this
at the end. But they're offended by the power of
Sydney Sweeney's boobs, since we're talking.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
About if we don't get back to you start talking boobs,
we're never going to.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Get Let's play this. Let's play this, guys. We got
a couple of clips. This is Tucker and Cuomo, and
I would encourage you guys to go listen to it.
But they're having a conversation. Chris Cuomo is he.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Looks like a WWE wrestler. I mean he has like
he is monstrous and stack.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
If he has a stack, I kind of want to
know what's in his stack. I'm just throwing it up there.
Whatever he's taken. His biceps look like hul Coogan's biceps.
But they're talking about, uh, the way they treat men
and women, and Tucker makes the case he treats women
differently because he's a man.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Listen to this. I don't make a gender distinction. Really,
I know too many women who can kick my ass,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Like, I don't think that's not true. I do name
one you could kick your ass. So I'm six one,
or it was before I head back surgery.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I was gonna say, yeah, you know, we're trying to
be trying to be real with each other here.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You're a lot taller than I am.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Okay, I'm just saying, and you're famously a bodybuilder. There's
not one woman in America can kick your ass. It's
just not true.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And you know it's not true. And you have to say, you.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Went to the US, you went to the UFC fight,
You think you could get.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
In there with the women come out?
Speaker 8 (25:31):
No, I'm saying you specifically.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Okay, First of all, that's that was really interesting because
there I think, first of all, Tucker corners, and we'll
get do you want to We'll get the other clip.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And one let's do you want to play the other one? Okay?
When you analyze this, yeah, let's what do you want
to play the other one?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right now, let's play the other one as well, and
then we'll break. Here's the second part of that.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
If you've got into an argument, and I know you
well enough to know if you're standing in a restaurant.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Someone's like Chris, you punch him out. If a woman
got way up in your face, I would know exactly,
I would exactly.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
So it is a bigger sin, not just against her,
but against yourself and your dignity and your responsibility as
a man.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Your job is to protect one. I'll give you the Jerry.
I don't see it exactly the same way. You don't
want to admit it.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
You're telling me something you know that's not true.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So so what Tucker does is he gets him.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
He says, well, hold on, would you ever hit a woman,
even if she was mouthing off to you? And Paul
under any circumstances? Chris Cromo gives the right answer, which
is no, there's no unless you are in physical defense
of your you know, of your life, basically you as
a man. No, you never lay a hand on a
woman under any circumstances. This again, Chris Cuomo is kind
of he's kind of.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
A guy's guy.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I think, I think respectfully he's he's that's one of
the areas where you could see out of eye with him.
But the propaganda is so deep and so deeply ingrained
that he would say what he knows he has to say,
because this is always in the early days one of
the things that say, should men and women be able
to box againainst each other?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No, of course not. I remember Clay that I was
doing to show years ago.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I was just talking about like women in UFC and
I was like, look, like, you know, anyway, it doesn't
matter how we get there. But I was like I
would throw some of these ladies around and there were
people were flipping out of me either, like that's not true.
I was like, at the time I weighed like two
hundred and ten pounds. These women are one hundred and
twenty pounds, and they're women. There's a huge difference in
size and strength being men and women. He has to
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know that, but I think his brain has been it
is seeped through with the propaganda. So we said there
are women who could kick my ass. Chris Groome was
like six three two forty there are no women who
can kick his ass.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It was an insane thing to say.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, the only thing, yes, I agree, unless there's some
you know, expert person who could somehow get him on
the ground and put him into a choke hold.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But I think he could just stand up and throw.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Wouldn't even have the upper body strength, right, wouldn't have
the upper body strength to do it. I mean I
remember Clay, I, you know you said, you said bench
a pretty good amount. I was like a you know,
a desk jockey kind of a guy. And I was
working out at a A this is like a decade ago,
and there were a couple of women who were true
CrossFit competitors, amazing shape, and.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Then I had a belly. Then I got a belly.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Now, like I have no allusions about myself, I get
bench more than both of them.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of course I can. I'm a guy. It wasn't like
that's not even like you're just saying you're a guy.
At that point.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You're not even saying you're strong, right because you're larger,
heavier and everyone. So why would he say something? He
has to know that as a Jim bro he has
to know he's lying.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
That's why I.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Give a pass to some people who you remember when
it turned into controversy when John McEnroe said Serena Williams
would be like the seven hundredth best man, and the
girl who was interviewing him for CNN was.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Like, why would you say that?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
She's not the best in the world, and he was like, well,
she'd be like the seven hundredth best man. That was
incredibly generous to Serena Williams. Most Serena Williams couldn't make
and she's the best female tennis player up there with
stephie Groth of all time. She could not She could
not make a decent men's college team, and most of
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those men's college tennis players have no chance to ever
be male professionals.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
She would not win a maybe not a point.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Like if you told me a good D one male
tennis player would beat any female tennis player in the
world most of the time. Now you'd have to be
a good you'd have to be a high level D
one player, like I don't know, maybe Stanford or one
of those schools that has really good tennis, but they
would beat the best females in the world in tennis, certainly,
the best and the lowest pros in the world certainly would.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I talked to a bunch of men's tennis pros after that,
because we got a bunch of men's tennis pros that
loved this show. We thank them for listening, and they
said she wouldn't be one of the ten thousand best
men's players, Serena. So, but that woman who asked that
question isn't a sports person, so she's clueless. To your point,
Cuomo seems like he's a guys guy like sports.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He has to know that this is all bs, like
this whole idea. I love Caitlin Clark. She's a lot
of fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
She couldn't start on a good men's high school basketball team.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
She couldn't like a really good, well made you might
be I might throw a flag on this college.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yes, high school. She got a little.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Start on one of the twenty or thirty best men's
high school teams in the country. She's a great women's player.
I'm not taking anything away from her because biology is real.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Remember when I played Wait Wait, I have a challenge
for you. You got a challenge for this. Yes, we got
to extend the show today of this whatever. Have you
ever met in person, in person as an adult, a
woman that you thought could kick your ass in an
all out fight.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I met Ronda Rousey, and I was a long past
and I'm trying to think. I met Ronda Rousey once
and I asked her to put me in an arm bar.
This is one hundred percent true. In the Fox Sports
green room when Ronda Rowsey was the absolute apex of
her UFC fighting right, she was the women's like UFC champion,
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I said, put me in an arm bar, don't break
my arm, but I just want to see if I
can get I was in a suit in the Fox
Sports green room. I said, Horonda, put me in and
she had no idea who I was. Put me in
an arm bar. I just want to see what it
feels like. I think at her apex, Ronda Rousey would
have kicked my ass. I think the only woman that
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I've ever met, which is like or one fifty and
I'm one EIGHTYKA tough. She's been trained to choke people out.
I've never been trained in any grappling. I don't know
like any you know, particular fighting. She spent her whole
life doing it. I think she's the only woman that
I've met in person that I think could kick my ass.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, I've never met her. So the answer, have you.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Met a woman who's in person that you thought could
kick your ass?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
No chance.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
My little my little brother and I we did we
did a martial arts class together at one point Krav mcguy,
you know is Raeli martial arts from one of the
instructors was a woman who weighed like one hundred and
ten pounds, And to this day he still irks me
by saying that she could kick my ass.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And I'm like, absolutely, not absolutely, she is a big deal. Yes, yes,
I am twice her size. She has no chance. Then
he always says she'd get like a throat shot anyway.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Class. That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's all of these like Brazilian jiu jitsu people, like
they get your pinky in a hold and they put
you to sleep. I don't know how it works. She
has been trained. I think she would kick my ass.
Ronda Rowsey only woman I've ever met that I thought
could kick my ass.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, there you go. I think Britney Grinder could kick
my ass. She's like six foot nine.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Well he's like, you just gotta you just gotta go
go for the legs, you gotta sweep the legs.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I don't think either one of them could beat
Chris Cuomo's And he's too forty to forty and he
looks like pop.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Probably I can look at him and tell you not,
you know, I live in Miami, so I picked this
up through osmosis.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I'm not like a real gimbro. Anyone who sees me
he knows that.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
But uh, he probably benches three to three hundred fifty pounds.
I would guess just based on his side, I bet
he could bench press three hundred plus. There's no woman
like on the planet who can do that. And I
know it's not all about just brute strength, but it's
also about you know, bone density, weight, fast twitch muscle.
There's just no So his idea that there are women
who could kick his ass. Why first of all, why
would he say that. That's such a like fake bro
(33:19):
thing to say, like, oh, I know there are girls
that can kick my ass.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
No you don't. Why say it?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Would He would never admit some guy could kick his ass,
maybe like you know, Mike Tyson and his heyday or something,
But he would say that about women.
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last night watching what did I watch? Saint Mary's against
Santa Clair. A fabulous game. Saint Mary's got a really
good team. And you can figure out players that you
want to put picks in on and see whether or
not they're gonna get more or less points. Tons of
games going on right now. You can pick your favorite players,
you can pare them together. You can bet ten dollars,
(34:23):
you can win a thousand. It's an incredibly fun thing
to do, particularly with March Madness arriving. Also, Major League
Baseball about to start.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
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Speaker 2 (34:33):
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Speaker 3 (34:46):
Right now. I don't know that we've ever said.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
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Speaker 1 (35:01):
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Speaker 4 (35:13):
Welcome back to Clay and Buck, where this conversation is continuing.
Usually we're talking about saving the country and the constitution,
but as dudes, are there any chicks who could beat
us in fights? Two over the Hill radio hosts weighing
in on this one.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I just asked, Buck, how much would you have to
get paid to fight Ronda Rousey?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I told them, and now that it's like, says, I
do it for ten million bucks. Ten because it would
have to be enough that I could I could live
somewhere in solitude and never have to work again. Because
if she absolutely whooped my ass, which is possible, I
would never live that down.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
If she choked you out every opinion that you shared
for the rest of your life, the immediate first response
would be her putting you to sleep. It wouldn't even
matter what you were saying. That would be like the
number one response for every opinion you shared for the
rest of your life. So you've got a lot at stake.
That's why I was like, what dollar figure? I don't
think I would fight her. I don't think there's a
dollar figure. It would have to be like one hundred
(36:11):
million dollars because I think she might choke me out
put me to sleep.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, you know, you gotta just throw some elbows if
you won.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You beat up a girl like that's a high risk reward.
People are like, oh, good for you. You're a grown man.
You beat up a girl, she puts you to sleep,
You're done for you. I don't know that you could
ever even like be a public figure anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, do you think you make average high school girls
track team right now based on your foot speed?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Me?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
No, I can't run at all. Me no, I can't
remember last time I sprinted. My back hurts just sitting here.
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