Julie Kelly - "Jan 6 Prosecutions Will 100% End with Trump Indictment"

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. We're going
to talk about January sixth, both what has happened and
where we think the prosecutions are going. And to do so,
we have a fantastic guest with us, Julie Kelly. She
is the author of January sixth, which has a longer subtitle,

(00:40):
but just look up Julie Kelly January sixth, get her book,
and American Greatness is where she writes, Julie, great to
have you always on radio and now welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hey, Buck, thank you so much for having me on. So.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I know that some of this may be known to
some of the people listening, but I wanted to revisit
it a little bit before we get into We're going
to break this down into a few areas, Right, what
has happened up to this point with January sixth, confinement
to prisoners and how they've been treated, and the politic
cessation I think of their treatment, the sentences they've gotten

(01:14):
so far, including the most recent major longest duration sentence
for one of the oath keepers. And then we'll talk
about how this ties into Trump in the twenty twenty
four election, which is obviously massively important. But first for everybody,
just tell them, so, January sixth happens, there's a riot,
and then in the months afterwards, people were held in DC.

(01:34):
What does everyone need to know about how including nonviolent defendants,
some of them the January sixth prisoners were treated.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So Buck, thanks for asking that question, you know, just
like you and everyone else, I watched the events of
January sixth unfold on my television. I was there with
my two best friends. We were wanting to see what
was going to happen in Congress, and honestly, I did
not have the same reaction to what was happening is
a lot of people did. It looked just very I

(02:06):
don't want to say suspicious, but unlike Trump support and
Trump voters to behave the way that they did, to
attack police officers, etc. So I started really following what
was happening in the aftermath, and that was January eleventh
of twenty twenty one. Michael Sherwin, the acting DCUs attorney,
and Stephen d'antwano, who was running the Washington FBI field

(02:28):
office at the time, gave this big press conference threatening
that they were going to round up hundreds of Trump
supporters possibly charge them with things like insurrection. And I thought, well,
this is really strange, especially coming off of the heels
of twenty twenty when the city at Washington, d C.
Was under siege by the LM and Antifa rioters for

(02:49):
six months. So buck the first article and then we'll
get into how I followed up. First article I wrote
about the January sixth political prisoners was in February of
twenty twenty one, when the government, the DOJ then run
by taking over by Joe Biden administration, sought pre trial detention,
meaning denying bail for a man named Kui Griffin who

(03:12):
ran cowboys for Trump. But this was a man with
no criminal history. He was an elected official in New Mexico.
He never even went inside the building. He actually had
a permit to protest. But I was reading what DOJ
was saying two judges trying to deny his release, and
the whole premise was that he was even remotely involved
in January sixth, And that's honestly where all my coverage started.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And now I think for a lot of people it's
hard to believe this even when you hear it, but
I want them to hear it from you. Even following
this so closely, there were people who were arrested because
of their involvement in January sixth, who'd committed no violent
act or even necessarily destructive act of property in any

(03:58):
meaningful way, who were held in pre trial detainment so
not given bail, and also put in special segregation within
the prison unit because they were a danger. Is that,
I mean, give everyone a sense of how extreme were
the Left would call them carceral conditions of some of

(04:19):
the January sixth defendants.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So what's amazing, Buck, is right after January sixth, the Department,
the DC Department of Corrections, opened up a special wing
of their DC prison system only to hold Trump supporters. Now,
think about that, no one had been tried or convicted.
They knew that they were going to be rounding up
Trump supporters, the judges were going to be denying their release,

(04:44):
and that they were going to segregate them from the
regular population in the DC Department of Correction system. They
opened up their own jail for Trump supporters. I mean
that is a fact. So it happened, Buck, when they
started arresting people a day or two after January sixth,
They would arrest them, arrang them. The government would come

(05:04):
in DOJ and ask whatever the judge was a local
judge at the time, to deny them release. If the
local judge allowed their release, in several instances, the DJ
would come in and ask for a stay, which means
basically a halt of that release order. So DOJ Washington
DC could ask judges in DC, because every single case

(05:29):
is adjudicated in Washington, d C, to then deny that
defendant's release, which happened multiple times. Then what happened, Buck,
is they would be ordered to stay to be transported
to this jail in Washington, DC. You had people as
far away from Colorado who were arrested, who were then
transported stopped at four or five prisons so they could

(05:50):
go to the schoolag in Washington, d C. For no
other reason than to punish them, torture their families, and
in many ways torment them into plea deals. And that's
how it started.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
What was the longest, to your memory, Julie, the longest
that a Nonviolentuary defendant was held in solitary confinement in
that DC Special prison system.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, I think throughout twenty twenty one they kept COVID
rules in place for the DC jail system, and that
would mean that these defendants were kept in their cells
for twenty three hours a day that lasted for months.
Now I'm still hearing from January sixth defendants at prisons
across the country either still held pre trial or have

(06:40):
been convicted, and they are still subjected to solitary confinement rules.
They are political prisoners. They're considered domestic terrorists by the
Biden regime and DOJ, so they are treated accordingly at
prisons across the country. But we still have men, and
we can talk a little bit about the Prowdboys trial.

(07:01):
You have defendants who were in jail for more than
two years charged with nonviolent felonies like obstruction and conspiracy,
were nonetheless denied bail upwards of two years before their
trials even started.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Now, am I right in thinking that at least in
one case, a judge in this DC system declared that
the a non violent j sixth defendant could not be
released because of the threat of another insurrection. Essentially, if
I let this guy go, he's going to try to

(07:36):
overthrow the government again, so I have to keep him
in the gulag.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's right. It happened over and over, and it happened
more specifically in the case of the Proud Boys Judge
Timothy Kelly, a Trump appointed judge who repeatedly denied the
release of people like Joe Biggs, Ethan Norden, Zachary Reel,
who committed no violent crime. They didn't carry any weapons,
they didn't assault police officers. They were simply charged with

(08:04):
conspiracy and obstruction. And in the case of Zachary Reel,
and these are veterans too, by the way, except Ethan Nordeen. Basically,
Judge Kelly said, I can't release you. You didn't commit
a violent act, but because you were involved in January
sixth and you helped the mob attack the capital, I
can't ensure the safety of your community, so you will

(08:25):
be denied. Really, Zachary Reels subjected to an armed FBI
rate February of twenty twenty one. The first time he
saw his two year old daughter was when she showed
up at his trial a few months ago. He has
not seen his family since and he has been convicted
though of seditious conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
How hard have they gone and what developments are there
Julie in finding Remember there was the pipe bomber at
the Capitol as well. Remember they put some pipe there
are some pipe bombs.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
There was forgot about him her, Yeah, So you know
what these are. This is one of the many unanswered
quests that we have for January sixth, and that's why
hope Republicans in Congress continue to push for answers and
hold these officials accountable. The man that I brought up earlier,

(09:20):
Stephen Dantuano, who was the director of the Washington Field Office.
He was the one who gave the big presentation, as
I said, but also was in charge of the January
sixth pipe bomb investigation. Not only have they not arrested anyone,
they haven't even id a suspect. And Darren Batties reporting
a Revolver News and others point out a lot of

(09:42):
discrepancies in the account of that day. Well, look, there's
no way that the FBI, with all the tools that
they used to round up you know, Indiana Mimas who
took selfies inside the Rotonda on January sixth, using geofence warrants,
using Bank of America cards, you know, tracking hotels, tracking
airplane routes for people who traveled to Washington, d C.

(10:05):
There's no way the FBI does not know who this
person is to the extent it was a legitimate pipe
bomber and not some sort of false flag, which, as
you will recall, Buck the location or finding those pipe
bombs outside the headquarters of the DNC and RNC that
prompted the first wave of panic that day and the

(10:26):
first set of lockdowns evacuations up nearby house buildings.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Let's get back to that in a second. And also, Julie,
I want to ask you about possible entrapment of some
individuals that is still alleged to this day. I know
you're up on that, and we'll talk about where this
is all going and what the eventual plan is as
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you're watching this video for the first time, Julie, let's

(12:18):
get into it. Now. Tell me about ray Epps.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Ray Apps, right, Apps, Let's see what did I call
him today? I was talking to a January sixth defendant,
the Where's waldo of January sixth? He pops up everywhere
the night before, throughout the day on January sixth, on
restricted grounds for at least ninety minutes. Yet he remains
uncharged and protected by both the media and Democrats and

(12:47):
the January sixth Committee. So I might have an interesting
breaking story later this week book that I'll make sure
that you see about accusations related to the government protecting
ray Epps and his actions that day. It makes no
sense why ray Epps has not been charged. I've laid
out numerous charges that he could face based on similar

(13:10):
or charges against January six ers who did less than
he did. He definitely was at the first breach point
he interfered with law enforcement. He was on restricted grounds,
as I said, for at least an hour and a half,
and he at the very least should be charged with
obstruction of an official proceeding because he was with that
first group of Breachures protesters that led to the shutting

(13:35):
down of the Joint Session after at about two fifteen
that day. So the fact that so many others face
obstruction of an official proceeding, basically obstructing Congress shutting, forcing
the shutdown of the Joint Session, and ray Epps did not,
even as we know, he was showing people how to
get from the Ellipse walking down Constitution or Independence Avenue

(13:57):
to get to Capitol Hill. He still again faces no charges.
And just did that sob story sixty minutes piece a
couple of months ago. Again another unanswered question that Americans
have about what happened that day and who was involved.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Do we have some official explanation as to why, I mean,
you just laid out all these areas where it would
seem he could be in legal jeopardy. No charges though,
no charges.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
And you know it was interesting when I covered the
Proud Boys trial, the ray Epps issue came up in
that trial because of course he's at that first breach
point with the Proud Boys, he's talking to another Proud
Boy later who was accused of smashing one of the windows.
He was at another point where another Proud Boy was

(14:46):
talking to police officers. His name came up in the trial.
And you actually had an assistant US attorney Buck tell
the jury during closing arguments that any accusations that ray
Epps was an informant or government asset is a fantasy. Now,
why is the DOJ at the same time they are
systematically destroying the lives of thousands of people and their families,

(15:09):
mostly on so level misdemeanors. Why are you even having
an assistant a prosecutor involved in that most high profile
trial for January sixth telling a jury that any thoughts
about Rayps being some sort of a government asset is
a fantasy that just to me raises so many red
flags and it should for a lot of other people too.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I want to ask about the oathkeepers and the longest
sentence yet handed down, and what that tells us about
the incitement to insurrection or conspiracy to commit insurrection component
of this whole mess. We'll get to that with Julie
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(16:56):
need to know about the Oathkeepers trial. You mentioned the
Proud Boys trial. What was that issue with the Oath Keepers.
What are the key facts? I know, it's a lot
of stuff. We're condensing it into a few minutes here.
And what was the final resolution, if you will, a
final sentencing.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So you've had six members of the Oath Keepers, four
members of the Prowd Boys, found guilty by DC jury
of seditious conspiracy. This is very important, Buck, because this
is setting new ground. These are precedent setting convictions that
now will criminalize political dissent in America. And that is
not an overstatement, and that is the intention of what

(17:36):
the Department of Justice is doing for the Oathkeepers, two
of whom were convicted of seditious conspiracy. In November. Matthew
gray Is, the DCS attorney, came back with sentencing recommendations
for Stuart Rhoades, the founder of the oathkeepers who was
convicted of seditious conspiracy, and DOJ was asking for twenty
five years in prison. The bigger news here, aside from

(18:01):
asking for a sentence for a man who didn't shoot anyone,
carry any weapons, assault any police officers. You know, they
discussed all of this openly, their plans to protest, even
though they did it in a very inflammatory way. What
DOJ is now doing is asking for terrorism enhancements for
these convictions. It was these men and by extension, anyone

(18:25):
else related to them will be considered a domestic terrorist.
And the judge in this case, Judge on It Mada,
consented to those domestic terror enhancements in so far four
of the cases, four of the sentences.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And what was the longest sentence yet handed down? As
you and I speak to each other, and for what?
For what crimes?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So Judge on It made a sentenced Stuart Rhades to
eighteen years in prison. He's already been in jail since
January of twenty twenty two, and then he can he
sentenced Kelly Meggs, the Florida oathkeeper, also convicted of seditious conspiracy,
to twelve years in prison. Keep in mind. But I
mean these are like twenty five years, eighteen years. This

(19:08):
is like murder territory. Right. These are violent repeat offender
type sentences, not non violent seditious conspiracy made up of bogus,
weaponized charges by the DOJ. But as you and I
have talked about the reason these headlines and sentences are
important because this is all aimed at you know who,

(19:28):
Donald Trump, as a special counsel Jack Smith, now has
all this ammunition about seditious conspiracy, obstruction, other conspiracy to
bring to a grand jury and seek the same charges
against Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I want to ask you more about the Trump component
in a second, Julie, but first with you, unlike so
many who are always opining on this, and you know,
people over on MSNBC and CNN and wherever who are
talking about the j six defendants and now in many
cases people who have been convicted by the Merrick Garland

(20:02):
Department of Justice, what does it mean? What has it
been like when you talk to the families of some
of the men and women who have been treated in
this way for truly non violent, non destructive, really a
crime of trespassing on government property, right, I mean that's
effectively in some cases they can say it's obstruction of it.

(20:24):
I mean, they were walking around in the Capitol. Again,
I'm not talking about the people that were hitting cops.
That's different. That's violence. Now we should also talk about
how if you're hitting police for BLM, it's no problem.
If you're hitting police in the course of a ride
on Jay six, it's you know, you go away for
years and years in prison. So I'm aware of that separation,
that dichotomy. But what's it like talking to the family

(20:47):
members of people who say, I thought this was America.
You know, my husband or my wife took a selfie
inside the Capitol building, walked around and left and is
now ruined forever.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's heartbreaking, as you can imagine. I mean, I talked
to a few parents just this past weekend of sons
who face decades in prison. And you know what's striking
to me, Buck is when they reach out to me,
they're so gracious, they're so kind with their words, even
though their lives have been completely destroyed, and they oddly

(21:22):
still have faith in America. They still love this country.
They will not let this bloodthirsty, vengeful retaliatory doj and
Biden regime take that away from them. But look, there's
not a lot I can tell them except what I've
told all these defendants and their family members for two
and a half years, is that you have the support

(21:43):
of millions of Americans. You have their prayers. They pray
for justice for them and their families. But this is
something unprecedented in American history, and it's something that I
wish more Americans were paying attention to, and the leftists
who praise and cheer this and really wish all of

(22:03):
us were in that DC Gulag read a history book
because eventually the same tactic come for your side as well,
And I think that's the most The part of it
that disgusts me the most is seeing our fellow countrymen
cheer this. Wonder why people like Stuart Rhodes aren't going
to be executed for treason, which is something I saw

(22:25):
repeatedly over the weekend. So it's a very dangerous time
in the country. And shame on the Biden regime and
this DOJ for fueling so much anger and hatred towards
the right by over by abusing their power this way.
It's really shameful.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
How much help Julie Donald Trump through his pack. I'm
trying to find the name of it, Save America pack.
They raised two hundred and fifty million dollars after the
twenty twenty election. How much help was given to January
sixth defendants in terms of legal fees support? Was their help?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
No, that was not. I believe that that's changed Buck
in the past, maybe a few months, several months, But
I can tell you early on, at least for the
first eighteen months of this prosecution, there was no help
for these people. And they would ask me we were
there for the president or or is he for us?
And I didn't have an answer for them.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's I Look, facts are facts, right ruly, So that's
why I just I think we just need to be
clear about people were in these horrible prison conditions, impoverished,
threatened with because ever as ever knows, not only is
it the legal defense you incur, but also loss of job,
loss of future prospects, and you're effectively ruined. I know

(23:50):
about this from It's fascinating July for me. You know,
I've never really talked about this. You know, I was
sent when I was at the CIA to the Intelligence Division,
the MYPD. We worked on real terrorism cases. You know,
people that were trying to blow up Times Square with
a car bomb, or we're trying to stuff backpacks on
the subway with suicide vest full with ball bearings to

(24:13):
maim and kill as many people as possible. And I
still remember there were civil libertarians who were concerned about them,
and we always were. You know, the judges were all, oh,
hold on a second, you know, how did you get
this confession or where did you go to get this in?
I lived that right, I lived on the other side
saying we're trying to stop people from blowing up women
and children of all racist creeds, colors, you name it.

(24:33):
And there was always this hall. But the civil liberties
of the Jihadis must be respected. I haven't heard that
at all. I haven't heard it at all about January
sixth defendants. And I can't help but notice there's a
big problem there.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
It's another huge hypocrisy, double standard book. And I'm glad
that you brought that up. The civil liberties people, the
criminal justice reformers, you know, those who were so hyper
critical of the surveillance state during the First War on Terror,
during the Second War on Terror, which is what my

(25:08):
book is about, using January so to launch the second
warrantary on the right, not only are they silent, they
are complicit and they are cheering what is happening. And
some of them are part of a movement to make
sure that lawyers, the brave lawyers when I talk to
today who's been bankrupted by helping January sixth defendants, targeting

(25:30):
these attorneys, trying to ruin them as well as their clients.
And so just another layer of hypocrisy, the silence by
both the left and the right.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It's really stunning, Julian to come back talking about the
Trump factor and all this and where this is going to.
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(27:11):
Trump as it pertains to January sixth related charges.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Truly, so Buck. As you know, Special Special Counsel Jack Smith,
still being run by the DOJ, has two lines of
inquiry classified documents in January sixth. So, as I mentioned,
the seditious conspiracy convictions of the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys
were really critical and amped up the legal jeopardy for

(27:37):
Trump because those two groups are tied to Donald Trump,
and especially in the Proud Boys trial, as you and
I talked about, prosecutors made Donald Trump a feature a
key figure in that trial. So this will arm Special
Counsel Jack Smith to go to his secret DC grand
jury made up of the same people who make up

(27:59):
regular DC trial juries, and possibly ask for seditious conspiracy
indictment along with other charges of obstruction and conspiracy, tampering
with evidence, etc. And bring down a ulltight count felony
indictment against Donald Trump. I'm guessing sometime this summer at
the very latest early fall. But the scariest thing is

(28:19):
there's now precedent for this Department of Justice to ask
for pre trialed attention. What we just started off with
denying bond or bail where people who have been indicted
for crimes like seditious conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding.
That will be the thing to watch coming out of
Jack Smith after he indicts the president.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Do you think Merrick Garland, the Attorney General under Biden,
is willing to take this all the way and not
only bring these charges against Trump, but then allow the
Department of Justice, through a federal prosecution to lock him up.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yes, and Merrick Garland will say that he has nothing
to do with it. Jack Smith is acting independently. Lisa Monico,
the Obama loyalist who's the department, the deputy attorney General,
will say the same thing, None of it's true. They
simply move the same prosecutors and investigators who started this
probe into Donald Trump over to Jack Smith's office. I
don't believe that this Department of Justice has any fear.

(29:24):
They certainly have no guardrails, they have no really no
accountability by Congress, and they have nothing but a rubber
stamp by the DC District Court. If you're telling me,
if Jack Smith brings multi count indictment including seditious conspiracy
to a judge like Judge Amit Meta, who oversaw the
Oathkeeper's trials, who is an Obama appointee, and that Judge

(29:45):
Mata would not sign off on pre trialed attention as
probably the closest observer observer to what's been happening in
these trials on the right. Anyway, I could tell you
that would not shock me one bit.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Is there anything that you think Trump can do to
try to outmaneuver this yet another coup effort from within
the deep state in a sense, or really this is
a preemptive coupe to stop him from being president of
twenty twenty four. Is there anything he can do? Or
is this the machinery in place?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
The machinery is in place. This is a banana republic
in Washington, d C. I called the legal and judicial
circle of hell. All I would advise is for his
lawyers to prepare immediately change of venue motions, which have
been denied in every single January sixth case, by the way,
but that is the only salvation he might have, is
some hope of moving this case and potential trial out

(30:43):
of Washington, d C. I think that's the only thing
they can prepare for now.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Julie Kelly, thank you so much. Check out her book
January sixth and Julie your work on this has been excellent.
Appreciate you making the time today.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Thanks so much for having me on