May 3, 2023 • 41 mins
Ned Ryun is an American conservative activist and the founder and CEO of American Majority, a conservative organization that trains candidates and activists.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Buck Sexton Show. We have our
friend Ned Ryan with us. He is the founder and
CEO of American Majority. We're going to talk to Ned
about the state of play going into the twenty twenty
four election. How we're doing with the tactics of getting
votes in the places we need them when we need
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them there, how we're doing on the messaging battle, and
just always feeling about politics in general.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We've got a lot of things to talk to mister
Ned about, sir. Always good to see you, my friend.
Tell me tell me this, what is your biggest concern
right now? I'm not asking about a primary candidate anything else.
For the GOP heading into the Biden reelection effort right now,
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trying to oppose him. What's your biggest point of concern?
What makes you think, guys, we got to wake up here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I think the first thing, Buck, as soon as I
saw the Biden announcement for reelection right now, if you
were to ask me who do I put the odds
on favorite to win reelection, it's Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
As horrifying as that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thought is that we have grandpa dementia and Harpy Harris
as the nominees running for reelection right now in April
of twenty twenty three. I'm not I have to tell you,
I would give them the nod because I think the
Democrats are far better at collecting ballots than Republicans are,
and I think we're kind of getting caught up a
little spun up about is that Trump is a DeSantis.
(01:34):
I have to tell you, and I'm saying this in
some ways a little bit to kind of grab people's attention.
I don't care who the nominee is. I really don't,
because I think we're getting lost in that. First of all,
we should focus on the fact that we're going to
have an America First candidate as the Republican nominee in
twenty twenty four. Rejoice in that fact. But we had
better figure out how we become better at our ballot
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collecting machine. And Buck, I've been hammering on this for
a while. In fact, American Majority has made it one
of our main focuses for training starting in January of
this year, in which we are trying to communicate to
the grassroots, to candidates, to anybody that will listen, really
explaining what I think took place over the last couple
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election cycles where Democrats have realized it's not really about votes,
it's not persuading people, it's about how do we collect ballots,
more ballots than they do than Republicans. And I've explained
to the grassroots the good news is we do actually
have a model on what we should be doing in
every presidential battleground state. And it's called Florida. And let
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me explain a little bit about what Florida has done
very very well, especially over the last five years the
Republican Party in Florida to give people hope, but to
also highlight what we should be doing. Over the last
five years, the Republican Party in Florida went from being
down over two hundred and fifty thousand voter registrations to
Democrats to now being up four hundred and fifty thousand.
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That's a seven hundred thousand swing five years. How did
that happen? Because they committed about two to three million
a year over the last five years and said we're
going to go and build out our voter base. Now
we're up seven hundred thousand swing, up four hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Buck. I have to tell you.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Because of some of that, I don't think Florida's a
battleground state next year. But the other aspect of what
Florida has done very well for I would say six
seven election cycles, they've actually committed to an absentee ballot
chase program over the last six weeks of the general elections,
where they've put at least ten million in they've pursued
the one point one to one point three Republican absentee
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ballots in the state to get eighty to ninety percent
return This is something that the Republican Party kind of
used to do fairly well in other states, but has
really let all off. And I think one of the
things buck that really highlights how badly it has fallen
off is Arizona in twenty twenty two, in which just
over a million absentee ballots were requested by Republicans, only
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six hundred and fifty were returned, or roughly sixty five percent.
If you had had eighty percent of absentee ballos returned
in Arizona, you would have won secretary of State. You
would have won the governor, you would have won Senate,
you would have won the attorney General. You would have
won everything and quite frankly, very definitively, but nobody took
the time to actually fund an absentee ballid chase program
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in Arizona. That's why you actually lost every statewide. And
so my message right now is, don't get caught up
in the Trump DeSantis fight in the primary focus on
the fundamentals of how we're going to actually implement absentee
ballot chase programs in Arizona, in Nevada, in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
North Carolina. And if we don't figure that one out, Buck,
(04:41):
I think we're just having kind of really nice conversations
about who the nominee might be, who will actually lose
to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Is the DNC smarter than the RNC? I mean, is
there machinery just more efficient and better functioning than ours.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
The fact of the matter is, since Obama and Organizing
for America, the DNC is really just a legal kind
of functional mechanism organization in which most of the political
power on the left, on the Democrat side, doesn't really
run through the DNC. They've gone and kind of branched
out into other things that have done a lot of
this absentee ballot chase program really well. In fact, someone's
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told me I have not been able to independently confirm
this book, but I've heard that outside groups in Arizona
plowed about twenty to thirty million into absentee ballot chase
programs alone in Arizona. All outside groups, right, not state party,
not the DNC, most of that being outside groups.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I think gazy and just I think this is I
want to learn this too, right, I mean, you look
at this stuff. I think for everybody listening, it's important
we say like outside groups, right, I mean, take us
into the machinery here a little bit of if you say,
the DNC is just kind of a thing that's there,
almost like a figurehead for what I always refer to
as the Democrat apparatus. Where are the centers of power?
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Like what action matters for Democrats to win elections? And
I mean in terms of the electoral tactics and get
out the vote effort, you know what I mean, Like
who who's making that happen for them?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I mean part of it is that the candidates themselves,
the campaigns themselves, have figured this out. I mean, think
about the fact book really quick, Josh, Shapiro and Pennsylvania
didn't debate once in the gubernatorial race. Katie Hobbs in
Arizona didn't debate once in the Arizona gubernatorial race. Why
is that Because Democrats have figured out it's really not
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about persuasion. It's not about persuading people to vote for you,
It's about understanding, have we seeded the field with enough
absentee ballots, with enough ballot requests for us to go
out and be able to collect them. And what they've done,
Buck is they have gone in and they've gotten a
lot of their low propensity voters. And just so people
who are listening to understand, most times you rank voters
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one out of four, one out of four being a
presidential general only election type voter, four out of four
being they show up at every primary, they vote in
spring elections, they vote in the general. What Democrats have
done very very well on the left is they've gone
out and they've realized we need to get our low
propensity voters to actually request a ballot, so then we
know we've actually pushed out a ton of ballots into
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the universe. Then we know where they're at, and we're
now going to collect all of those ballots. Because we
know this person has a ballot, we're going to harass
them either through phone calls, peer to peer text, door
knocks to get them to return that ballot. We as Republicans,
have not done that. In Florida. We've done it fairly well.
We've done kind of the push. We've pushed people to
get ballots, and then we've pulled them in, we've chased them.
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We had better figure out those strategies pretty quick. And
I have to tell you I just do not see
the R and C having First of all, I'm going
to be pretty rude here, the basic intelligence, the desire,
the willingness and ability to actually do a robust absentee
ballot chase and call it five to six presidential battleground states.
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So I think it's in coming upon outside groups, and
obviously American Majority Action or C four is working with
some groups to say, regardless of what the R and
C figures out, regardless of what a presidential campaign might
figure out or state GOP, we have to make sure
we facilitate maybe three, four or five presidential battleground state
absentee ballot chase programs in a very robust way. And
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I've told the other folks that are involved, it has
to probably start at ten million over the last four
to six weeks whenever the ballots drop in a specific state.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now, is it fair to say that, you know, you work,
you know, as CEO of American Majority, you're doing the
the ground pounding work of elections for the for Republicans,
the GOP, Conservatism, et cetera. Are you completely to write?
Are you out gunned at least just by the sheer
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number and financing of the other side. I couldn't even care. Yeah,
I had a feeling like, give me a sense of
that scale and closed it Just it just feels like
everywhere I look, there's another organization that's doing the bidding
and the left and not all of them are fun
to buy sorrows, obviously a lot of them are.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And I wonder like, where did all this come from?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I have to tell you, in fact, my new
op ed for American Greatness, where I write them, is
probably going to be a little brutal on think tanks.
I think that I think the right needs to really
examine what they're doing with a lot of their nonprofit money.
The left has been very sophisticated with how they spend
the C three and C four money. This is this
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is a dynamic. I think we need to look at
where the left is fixated on doing everything they can
to achieve political power. They have this obsession and lust
with political power. We on the right are wandering about.
I'm even saying conniing fiddles while the Republic burns that
we're spending so much money on think tanks and white
papers that we need to start focusing on, you know,
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two to three million a year in voter registration to
these states battleground states, and we need to figure out
how we're doing no less than ten million to Absentie Balchase.
The left is far more sophisticated than we are right now,
and how they spend their nonprofit money. And again, if
you want to talk about yeah we outgunned, are we overwhelmed?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Again? I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
They did this legally, but Mark Zuckerberg with Center for
Tech and Civic Life dropping in four hundred plus million
into presidential battleground states, into blue counties to boost the
blue vote. I mean, that's just one example. It's obviously
a significant one, but you realize the left is plowing
a lot of money into these outside groups to be
used in a very effective way, and whether if it's
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not voter registration, if it's not some of this other stuff.
They're doing law fair, they're doing investigative journalism, they're doing
Floyer requests, they're doing a lot of different things to
throw sand into the gears of anybody on the right
that might be trying to do effective work. So we
got to figure out how we use our nonprofit money
much much better. And until we do, we're going to
be outgunned, and sadly, Buck I think outgunned pretty significantly.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So just I think that's such a important point about
the about the zucker Bucks issue. You know, people will
refer to this, Well, what actually happened there? I know
it is four hundred million dollars, and I know it
was to help Democrats. But so they're able to use
tax advantage dollars, right, I assume these are this is
these are tax advantage, tax deductible dollars that I know Zuckerberg,
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you know, it's got so much money, he doesn't care,
but still to pick and choose, like we're just doing
a basically, if you just chose to do a get
out the vote effort in the city of Philadelphia. Well,
guess what you're gonna help Pennsylvania You go pretty blue, right,
And that's so they're able to keep it nonpartisan. So
it's tax advantage, but it's really not nonpartisan because you're
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where you're harvesting the votes are Democrats strongholds.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Is that basically the formula? Like, how did it work?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, well it really was. And Center for Taking Tech
and Civic Life was actually being run by some alumni
from the New Organizing Institute. Quite frankly, I always admire
for their pretty highly skilled tactics and strategy, and they
started Center for techan Civic Life and persuaded Zuckerberg to
do this. I mean, it's not rocket science, buck. You
know that there's certain places, like you just said, if
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they're heavily urban areas, the odds are it's going to
vote a certain way. Hey, let's go in and maybe
put ten dollars per voter into that county or that
area versus maybe a dollar for a red county, and
we're just going to help facilitate the vote, put some
dropboxes in. But it got to the point like in
Green Bay where Center for Tech and civic life essentially
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took over the machinery, the local machinery for how elections
were conducted. They went in and were extremely aggressive and
actually said, this is how the elections are going to
be conducted if you're going to take our grant money
and we're actually going to facilitate how it operates.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I still am stunned.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Again, not stunned, Buck, because I know a lot of
the machinery of this vast bureaucracy, whether it's at state, local,
or even the federal level, they're not on our side.
But it is pretty staggered that we've a lot We
allowed a billionaire to go in and, through a nonprofit,
essentially take over the election process and that entire process
in these battleground states, and nobody said, hey, do we
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have a conversation about this on a serious level, And
we're just kind of like.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Eh, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I want to ask you.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I'm telling you what I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
To their credit, a lot of Republican legislators have outlawed
zuck Bucks where they have the political power to power
to do so. But I'm telling you, Buck, the left
is never asleep. They're never going to stop and go out. Well,
you beat us on that one. I guess we just
have to take a break. I've made this point on
a on Lord Ingram show. But look at what they're
doing in Minnesota. They've done motor voter laws, they're now
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pre registering sixteen and seventeen year olds, and they're also
proposing pop up polling locations. And the easiest way to
explain that is, you know, someone in a county can request, hey,
we'd like to have a pop up polling location in
an advantageous place for us, say a rust home or
college campus. Think of it as a dry box on steroids.
I mean, the left is always aggressively trying to pursue
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how do we get political power and then how do
we hold onto it? And we on the right, a
lot of people are just wandering about, you know, having
black tie affairs and popping off fireworks over the Potomac
to celebrate their existence, but not achievement.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's a little discouraging.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And unfortunately, if we're going to talk about Joe Biden
here in a second and what we face with him,
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All right, ned. So this this I think sometimes this
makes people, uh, even in some of my beloved audience,
frustrated with me because I end up having to tell them, Yeah,
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Joe Biden is a clown. He was not smart even
forty years ago, and he would go down all the lists.
There's aviators to cover up his face so that people
don't realize he's so vacant and old and decrepit in
the whole thing. Right, this is I point all this stuff.
I get it. He's probably going to win unless we
figure out a few things. And this is what I
try to tell everybody. Democrats don't care. They don't care
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that he is a decrepit buffoon and he's quasi snile
if not fully seenile. Right, he's the brand and their
brand apparatus is very powerful, and they're going to run.
Democracy is going to die if the Republican probably Trump
ends up being the nominee on our side and that
may swing enough independence. Who are just did you see
the Paul that said they're all exhausted by the way,
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that's the biggest thing that people are thinking about now
that there's exhaustion. Exhaustion not good for our side.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
No, no, no, I you know, I'm kind of looking
at what I'm doing right now, eighteen months out from
the general elections in November of twenty twenty four, of
kind of ringing the bell a little bit and going
you think that we're up against you know, Grandpaul dimension
Harvey Harris. These guys are idiots, they are. But again,
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understand what's taking place. It's not even about Biden and
and Kamala Harris and all of their supposed, you know, attributes,
which are very limited on so many different levels. It's
about them being used as vehicles to achieve and to
retain political power. So quite frankly, you know, we do
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not be distracted by that and think, well, there's no
way we can lose to these chumps. Yes you can,
because they are focused on the machinery and the functional
aspects that we just discussed of We're going to collect
more ballast than the other guys when we're going to
invest enough money to do so. But the other thing too, Buck,
I'm working on a new book hopefully is going to
come out this year, but it's called American Leviathan, and
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it really is about the administrative state. But understand that
we're up against not only the Democratic Party, the left,
the corporate propagandists. We are up against the administrative state,
and they want to see somebody that's an ally to
the administrative state wins. So we're up against very powerful forces.
We should not underestimate that. That should hopefully sober us
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up and hopefully focus us on what we should be
doing over the next eighteen months, because it's going to
be a battle royale. If you think that somehow administrative
actors state actors are going to simply go, oh, yeah,
you know, Joe Biden's all washed up. I guess we're
just going to have to watch Donald Trump take the
White House back. No, they view him as an existential threat.
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They view him as it's such an incredible threat to
the premise that the administrative state is legitimate. They're going
to do everything that they can to make sure that
Joe Biden is able to waltz back into the White
House so that they can actually continue doing the actual
real governing of this country and use Joe Biden as
kind of a front man.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You think that the plan is to push Biden through
with every trick in the book in twenty twenty four
and then at some point have Kamala take over, and
therefore he gets to be Kamala gets to be the
first black female vice president. Obviously, this will be the
Democrat Party touting the massive achievement they're in without ever
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facing voters.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I think I don't think he's gonna be able to
get away with as much as he did in twenty
twenty and the COVID era, where he could stay in
the basement and have the corporate propaganda's essentially run his
campaign for him and do all the messaging for him.
I think they're gonna do that again, though. I think
they're going to use that playbook again.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I think the whole Russian disinformation, you know, Hunter Biden laptop,
you know, ploy theyll price try and pull that one
out again and do something along those lines. Yeah. I
think there's gonna be a whole host of things. We've
seen them pull out their playbook before. I think they're
going to use a lot of those same tricks. And
I think the corporate propagandas are going to be on
steroids next year to try and and make sure that
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Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is, does not take
the White House back, because I don't know if you
guys have noticed, Donald Trump is making it very clear recently,
even you know the schedule f I'm gonna go in,
I'm gonna reclassify some of these government employees, thousands of them,
and then I'm gonna fire them. He's making it very
clear he plans to go to war with the administrative state.
They know that they view him as an existential threat.
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So whatever confidence you might feel and running against Joe Biden,
Kamala Harris, please don't be overconfident. I feel like I
was over confident last year in twenty twenty two. I'm
never going to make that same mistake again.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I feel.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Just to be fair, I feel exactly the same way
I thought, how is it possible what a disaster Biden
is and the Democrats are so insane that any well,
go look at what college educated voters in particular did
in places like Arizona and Nevada in Pennsylvania and what
they said in the polling, which is just you know,
threat to democracy. You know, they believe some of the
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you know, pro abortion propaganda and they don't like Trump
and end of story, right, and you sit here, you go, whoa,
what about crime in cities? What about a wide open border?
What about a fat eah?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, no, they're very good to propaget the thing though,
And I don't want to be too much of a
Debbie downer for your listener, Like I want them to
have some hope.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I know you're usually a happy guy, by the way,
Like you're a pretty You're an upbeat, you know, optimistic guy.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, but keep going.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So just say, you know, there's one hundred and forty
four thousand more registered Republicans in Arizona than Democrats. You
should be able to win that in twenty twenty four
if you do the right things. You know, even in Minnesota,
I was just up there training trained a couple hundred
people on apps absentee ballot chase, ballot out, ballot in
and I made the point, if you guys had actually
been able to do something like this last fall in
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a state like Minnesota and collected just about twenty two
thousand rule absentee ballots that we knew we're all going
to go break for a Republican. You would have won
the state auditors race, and you would have beaten Keith
Ellison in the Attorney General's race. The numbers are there.
It can be done. So I want to give people
hope and knowing, hey, if you do the right things,
we could actually have some pretty good victories next year.
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But simply hoping, simply wishing for that is not going
to actually get it done. We're going to have to
be seriously focused on and this is what I'm doing,
raising money to make sure that we're doing the voter registration,
working on doing absentee ballot chase. It's going to take
a lot of hard work and a lot of people
are going to have to actually buy into that philosophy
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on our site and the good news this book. Wherever
I've gone out and trained on this this year, I'd
say ninety nine percent of people agreeing saying we need
to do this. We're going to commit to it, and
we're going to do everything that we can to make
sure this happens in our state. So I'm optimistic if
we do the right things, we can win. But there's
a lot of ground, a lot of things that need
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to be done between April of twenty twenty three and
actually achieving that next fall in twenty twenty four. So
we got a lot of work to do, but it
can be done.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
NED.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
When we come back, can I ask you to tell
everybody about your Virginian You've been on the forefront of
some of the political battles there, including some of the
school issues. Glenn Youngkin haven't heard much in a while.
I want a full I want a full NED report
card on Youngkin. And also I want a net report
card on how the Trump campaign, the campaign not really
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Trump is doing so I mean, I know it's all
tied together, but it's doing so far. We'll get to
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let's let's start with Youngkin. You know I was all excited.
I was on the for Virginians. I was certainly given
high fives for for Youngkins, big big win, and we
needed a little bit of a boost at for twenty
twenty And how's he done ned I mean, and by
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the way, is he a possible presidential contender. I haven't
heard anything about that.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I don't think he's gonna run in twenty twenty four.
I think he's pretty realistic that right now you've got
two heavyweights. I would argue, one super heavyweight with Trump
and another heavyweight with DeSantis, and the polls reflect that.
And quite frankly, Youngkin's been doing a really good job
in here Virginia, especially considering he doesn't have the state Senate.
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He's got the House of Delegates fifty two to forty eight,
he doesn't have the state Senate, but he's been able
to achieve some good things on a host of fronts,
and he's he and Jason Millais and win some series
have been doing his best they can without having the
full political power needed to achieve some of these policy goals.
But Glenn Youngkin right now, and I think part of
this might be part of the reason buck that he's
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kind of foregoing a presidential I want to remind people
this year in Virginia, we have every state Senate race,
and we have every House of Delegate race, and if
Glenn Youngkin wants to be able to have that last
year of his governorship to achieve some policy things he's
going to actually need to have the State Senate, and
it's going to be a battle Royale. The maps are
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going to be really tough buck for us to get
to a twenty twenty tie. Right now, it's twenty one
to nineteen, actually twenty two eighteen. For us to get
to a twenty twenty tie. For Winson to have the
tie breaking vote is going to be an incredible achievements
can be very hard, So I think Glenn's focused on that.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We're going to be focused as well.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
On on maybe adding a seat or two to the
House of Delegates majority. But if you were to ask me,
and I haven't talked to him, I don't really have
that connection with young Kin, But if if I were
to guess, I would say he's going to be putting
a lot of time and resources into trying to get
keep the majority in the House of Delegates, hopefully get
to at least a twenty twenty time in the State
Senate so he can have one year to really achieve
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some of these policy goals that he really wants to achieve.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
So so far, I mean it sounds to me like,
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
What's the letter grade?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh, I would say, given what he's been able to do,
there's been a couple maybe I would quibble with.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I'd give him a solid A minus.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I was going to say, it sounds a minus or
B plus territory.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I was going to say, for somebody who is in
what is most assuredly a purple state, he's he's been
doing a really good job on what he has the
ability to do. Let's put it that way. So I
think Glenn Youngkin has a future in Republican politics. I
don't think it's twenty twenty four, but maybe it's. Maybe
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it's after that.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Is Virginia in play for Republican in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Maybe? And the reason I say that buck is a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I could say maybe, but you keep going.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Well, I mean, think about it, Glenn Younkin.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Really, I mean, he had Terry mcculliff throw them all
kinds of gifts coming down the home stretch. A lot
of people really woke up those last thirty forty days
and said, we can win Virginia. Young can only win
by what about two points? So even then we kind
of caught them by surprise. I think there's going to
be like it kind of goes back to and I
don't want to sound like a broken record.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
If the work is.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Done to actually do voter registration and absentee ballot chase
in Virginia which is a little harder than some other
states because we don't register by party in Virginia. If
we do those things, I have every reason to believe
that it can make Virginia really competitive in twenty twenty four.
But it's are we going to invest the time and
money into the functional aspects that will make it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It sounds like the Virginia GOP, then is it is
in a maybe better than average place, because like the Penncil,
from what I understand from my Pennsylvania friends, for example,
the Democrat the Democrat machine in Pennsylvania is just kicking
the ass of the Republican machine in Pennsylvania in every
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possible way, have them outplay and outfunded, outthought. And I'm like, guys,
it's kind of a big deal, right, This isn't This
isn't like Rhode Island. You know, this is Pennsylvania. It's
an important battleground state. Virginia is in a little better
Like how would you gauge that?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah? Does like really? I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, because of Glenn Youngkin, But you have to understand,
most state parties are have no funding, they have no
ability to actually perform a lot of these things. I mean,
I would say, I'm I'm a fan of the Virginia
GOP folks. I think they're doing the best they can
considering their limited finances. But this, this is of some concern.
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If we're not going to have really strong state gops,
we better figure out outside groups that are going to
be very robustly funded to be able to do some
of those functions. So, yeah, I think it's I think
it's doing fine. I would give it definitely not as
good a great as Glenn Youngkin, but it it's hanging
in there. It's just it's a very hard job book
to run a state GOP in many parts thanks to McCain,
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fine gold, but it's just it's really hard to do
and do it effectively. And I would argue probably of
the fifty state gops, there's maybe ten that are actually
well enough funded to do effective work.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
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campaign at this early stage, how's it looking. Who's doing what?
What do they need to change? What are they doing?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I think they've got some of the right people on board.
Buck Obviously Susie Wiles. Susie Wiles is really running the
show for Trump. You know, Susie and I had our differences,
to be honest about the RNC chair race. I was
essentially running Harmeat Dellon's whip team the Trump campaign. The
Trump folks were behind Ron and getting her reelected, getting
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her slate, trying to get them elected.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
The other two lost. It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Still a big fan of Susie's because I think what's
the important thing that people need to understand about what
Trump has done. Susie Wiles and her Florida team that
ran the absentee ballot chase program, that know exactly what
they're doing on that front, are essentially running the Trump campaign,
and so that should get people hope that the people
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that know how to do the functional ballot chase voter
registration that made Florida successful, they are essentially running the
field operations and a lot of the campaign aspects of
the Trump campaign. I think one of the interesting dynamics
that I'm looking at in the Trump campaign, I think
he's going to be successful. I do not think there
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can be a lot of big donors behind Trump. Is
going to be Trump and the small dollars donor base
against some of the donor class in the primary. I
give the nod to Donald Trump that he's going to
be able to pull it out, and I think some
of the donor class will come back to him in
the general, or they'll find outside groups that will be
a benefit to him. You know, I have to tell you,
I think the Trump campaign is doing everything that it
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needs to do right now.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
They know they're the front runner. They know that they are.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Really that eight hundred pound guerrilla and quite frankly, Donald
Trump knows how to use that power and that ability
to go after who he perceives to be some of
his biggest opponents. And I think he's been extremely effective
if you look at the poll numbers. So not over yet,
but you know, there are a lot of good things
that are actually happening with the Trump campaign.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Who do we have to win in order to win
in the White House in twenty twenty four that we
didn't in twenty twenty, right, I mean that's where.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
That would be sturban women.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
If it see okay, But so like Cintery, I talked
to Ryan Grodowski about this recently too, and I was,
I like to ask the people who know, right, because
this is like when you know, when I was in
the CIA, You know, you get the smartest silence you
ken and room. You ask them three of them the
same question, you're gonna get three variations. They're gonna be
rooted in the reality, but three variations of what they
think are you know what they assess? And I see here,
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I'm just like, how ned does Trump when suburban women?
I mean, in all honesty, I asked the question because
I if someone put that, someone told me the way way, Oh,
you don't want to know it. Ryan said, no chance.
Ryan said it's totally screwed.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
So well, so no, I think there's some ways obviously
Donald Trump is it's a hard sell to suburban white women.
I think there's a couple of things that he's going
to have to do that he can do. One, he's
gonna have to find a vice presidential candidate that appeals
to them. I'm proposing Kim Reynolds the governor of Island.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
She's actually a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, she's actually a lot of people have called her
the Ron DeSantis of the Midwest. I mean, some people
are going to have that perspective. She's very good. I
think that would mitigate some of that. For Trump, I
think he's going to go after some of these issues
that appeal to suburban moms. I think the transgender issue,
if I'm being honest, in women's sports and high school
women's sports can help him. So I think there's some
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It's going to be a tough sell, Buck, I mean,
I think we've got to be realistic. It's going to
be a hard sell. So that then the question becomes,
how do you build out your voter base. How do
you get enough ballots out there to maybe overcome some
of that, Because you know it's going to be it's
going to be a hard sell in those battleground stays
of those suburban white white women. It is we should
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be realistic about it. So how do we mitigate that?
How do we overcome it?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
What about white working class voters who came over for
Trump in twenty sixteen and May have sat out in
twenty twenty, even you know the one. I've seen some
data to suggest that they didn't necessarily go Biden, but
there were some stay homes. And look this we're speaking
very broad terms, but you know, the America First message
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of changing the way we do trade with particularly China,
but just in general, and I'm bringing back manufacturing. You
know in Ross Belt states that really seemed to resonate.
I don't know, it doesn't seem to me that resonated
the same way in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, I mean again, I haven't looked. I couldn't tell
you the numbers off the top of my head, but
I know there were a lot of people that voted
Obama in twenty twelve voted Trump in twenty sixteen in
that Upper Roust Belt. I think it comes down to
I'm sounded like a broken record.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Bucket guess, let me guess.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
We'll get ballot chase and getting the votes out and
get a.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Ballot like this is the thing, Like I'm telling you,
this can be done if we can get to these
people and say I need you to re quest about
or the other thing too that I'm also training people
on is please get it out of your head that
election day is the only aspect of election season. Here
in Virginia, we start voting six day, six weeks out,
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So you need to start voting at the beginning of
election season, not on election day, because if you really
like your candidate, you're going to literally save them four
times the money that they're going to spend if you
don't vote early on text calls, door knocks. Yeah, it's
one of those things where the outreach was not what
it should have been. This is why I was so
frustrated about the RNC race. To be completely honest, Buck
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in January, the RNC was miserable, failed completely on the
voter outreach that it should have done, could have done.
And if some of those components are not there and
you're not as focused as you should be, this is
what happens. People that should be your voters stay home
because you haven't hit them enough times to get them
to the polls. So I have to tell you if
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we do not if we are not firing on all
cylinders next year in regards to outreach, registration, ballot request,
election season, yeah, we're up against it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
It can be done.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But what I'm now you're really getting me frustrated about
the R and C and and those folks that are
running it. But you know, I'm going to ignore them
and we're going to do the best we can without them.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
How does I mean you've been talking about these things.
I just think it's it's it's it's interesting to hear about.
I think people are curious, Like we say, do do
ballot chase?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Like what? What?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
How does this actually work? Like if I put you
in charge of getting the absentee ballot thing done in
you know, I don't know, like Wisconsin, right, that'll be
an important state. How does that work? What do you do?
Speaker 4 (37:41):
So I'll use Virginia as an examples some of that
this year.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Virginia.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, but just to explain a little bit, So you
can request a ballot, an absentee ballot up to twelve
days before the election. Right, So what we're going to
be doing is getting people to We're going to push
them to request a ballot all the way up until
the deadline.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
We know that I.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Really I really want this, like stell, like, how do
you put what are you doing? You're sending out emails, Hey, guys,
register for an absent jaam, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well, no, we'll find We'll find the people that have
either been traditional ballot requests or people that will will
actually model that we think our potential, and we'll mail them.
We'll probably mail them a ballot absentee ballot request form
in some of the state center races we're in to
get that form into their hands. To encourage them, you
need to fill this out and send it in. Once
they get in, the mail will proably fill up with
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a peer to peer text. We'll probably fall up with
a phone call. The idea being we want to expand
our universe of ballots to get them in there, and
then once they're in the greater universe, we know where
they're at. Right, we know that somebody at this address
has a ballot, and it literally becomes a series of harassments.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Book. I mean, that is not rocket science.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
As soon as you know who's requested about where they're at,
you call them, you text them, you knock on the door.
Here in Virginia, we can actually ballot harvest, intend to
within all legal limits be able to do that, and
we will do that. So it becomes a series of
harassments to say we want your ballot, you have a ballot,
let's return that ballot, and let's get it in before
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you know the deadline.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
So what are the like for Virginia. I know it's
different state to state, but ballot harvesting. Can you just
can you have somebody you know who works for American Majority?
Can you have somebody just go to like, you know,
a big apartment.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
We're harvesting here.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm sorry, Yeah, churches.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Were actually harvesting here.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Really yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah. In fact, it's one of those things that I
want to have a conversation with some of these churches
and go, hey, it's legal, you can do it. We
should be doing it by all means legal where it's
been decided in the state. This is a legal approach
to actually how you vote and collect ballots.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
We should do everything.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah you can, I mean, but how do you think
we have the House of Representatives? And what otherwise was
a absolutely complete miserable year. California republic and New York
Republicans decided, hey, it's legal to harvest, it's legal to
do all these things. We're going to actually do all
of that. That's in many ways why we have the
US House of Representatives. Because California and New York Republicans
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decided these are the rules of the game. We're going
to play the game by these rules.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I am going to hopefully and we'll see and again,
this is what I hope to do. Get as many
churches as possible to actually ballot Harvest here in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well, Ned, please save the country and help us win
the next election. Okay, can you work on that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I'm trying, man, It's going to be It is going
to be hard, and I hope that enough people understand
we got a lot of hard work.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
It can be done.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
The Republic's in the balance book, and that's why I'm
so focused on this stuff. Between now and twenty twenty four.
Let's put in the hard work. Let's see if we
got a shot at restoring the Republic, because that's what's
really at stake in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
People want to help out at American Majority, where should
they go?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Go to Americamajority dot org. That's our website. You can
request training, you can become involved with us. They can
always follow me on Twitter at ned Ryan. They can
see some of the stuff I'm pushing out and talking about.
So Americanmajority dot org is a great place for them
to check out with all the resources and how they
can engage with us.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Ed Ryan one of the best in the business. Sir,
thank you so much for hanging out. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Thanks Buck
Welcome everybody to the Buck Sexton Show. We have our
friend Ned Ryan with us. He is the founder and
CEO of American Majority. We're going to talk to Ned
about the state of play going into the twenty twenty
four election. How we're doing with the tactics of getting
votes in the places we need them when we need
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them there, how we're doing on the messaging battle, and
just always feeling about politics in general.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We've got a lot of things to talk to mister
Ned about, sir. Always good to see you, my friend.
Tell me tell me this, what is your biggest concern
right now? I'm not asking about a primary candidate anything else.
For the GOP heading into the Biden reelection effort right now,
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trying to oppose him. What's your biggest point of concern?
What makes you think, guys, we got to wake up here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I think the first thing, Buck, as soon as I
saw the Biden announcement for reelection right now, if you
were to ask me who do I put the odds
on favorite to win reelection, it's Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
As horrifying as that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thought is that we have grandpa dementia and Harpy Harris
as the nominees running for reelection right now in April
of twenty twenty three. I'm not I have to tell you,
I would give them the nod because I think the
Democrats are far better at collecting ballots than Republicans are,
and I think we're kind of getting caught up a
little spun up about is that Trump is a DeSantis.
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I have to tell you, and I'm saying this in
some ways a little bit to kind of grab people's attention.
I don't care who the nominee is. I really don't,
because I think we're getting lost in that. First of all,
we should focus on the fact that we're going to
have an America First candidate as the Republican nominee in
twenty twenty four. Rejoice in that fact. But we had
better figure out how we become better at our ballot
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collecting machine. And Buck, I've been hammering on this for
a while. In fact, American Majority has made it one
of our main focuses for training starting in January of
this year, in which we are trying to communicate to
the grassroots, to candidates, to anybody that will listen, really
explaining what I think took place over the last couple
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election cycles where Democrats have realized it's not really about votes,
it's not persuading people, it's about how do we collect ballots,
more ballots than they do than Republicans. And I've explained
to the grassroots the good news is we do actually
have a model on what we should be doing in
every presidential battleground state. And it's called Florida. And let
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me explain a little bit about what Florida has done
very very well, especially over the last five years the
Republican Party in Florida to give people hope, but to
also highlight what we should be doing. Over the last
five years, the Republican Party in Florida went from being
down over two hundred and fifty thousand voter registrations to
Democrats to now being up four hundred and fifty thousand.
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That's a seven hundred thousand swing five years. How did
that happen? Because they committed about two to three million
a year over the last five years and said we're
going to go and build out our voter base. Now
we're up seven hundred thousand swing, up four hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Buck. I have to tell you.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Because of some of that, I don't think Florida's a
battleground state next year. But the other aspect of what
Florida has done very well for I would say six
seven election cycles, they've actually committed to an absentee ballot
chase program over the last six weeks of the general elections,
where they've put at least ten million in they've pursued
the one point one to one point three Republican absentee
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ballots in the state to get eighty to ninety percent
return This is something that the Republican Party kind of
used to do fairly well in other states, but has
really let all off. And I think one of the
things buck that really highlights how badly it has fallen
off is Arizona in twenty twenty two, in which just
over a million absentee ballots were requested by Republicans, only
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six hundred and fifty were returned, or roughly sixty five percent.
If you had had eighty percent of absentee ballos returned
in Arizona, you would have won secretary of State. You
would have won the governor, you would have won Senate,
you would have won the attorney General. You would have
won everything and quite frankly, very definitively, but nobody took
the time to actually fund an absentee ballid chase program
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in Arizona. That's why you actually lost every statewide. And
so my message right now is, don't get caught up
in the Trump DeSantis fight in the primary focus on
the fundamentals of how we're going to actually implement absentee
ballot chase programs in Arizona, in Nevada, in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
North Carolina. And if we don't figure that one out, Buck,
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I think we're just having kind of really nice conversations
about who the nominee might be, who will actually lose
to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Is the DNC smarter than the RNC? I mean, is
there machinery just more efficient and better functioning than ours.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
The fact of the matter is, since Obama and Organizing
for America, the DNC is really just a legal kind
of functional mechanism organization in which most of the political
power on the left, on the Democrat side, doesn't really
run through the DNC. They've gone and kind of branched
out into other things that have done a lot of
this absentee ballot chase program really well. In fact, someone's
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told me I have not been able to independently confirm
this book, but I've heard that outside groups in Arizona
plowed about twenty to thirty million into absentee ballot chase
programs alone in Arizona. All outside groups, right, not state party,
not the DNC, most of that being outside groups.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I think gazy and just I think this is I
want to learn this too, right, I mean, you look
at this stuff. I think for everybody listening, it's important
we say like outside groups, right, I mean, take us
into the machinery here a little bit of if you say,
the DNC is just kind of a thing that's there,
almost like a figurehead for what I always refer to
as the Democrat apparatus. Where are the centers of power?
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Like what action matters for Democrats to win elections? And
I mean in terms of the electoral tactics and get
out the vote effort, you know what I mean, Like
who who's making that happen for them?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I mean part of it is that the candidates themselves,
the campaigns themselves, have figured this out. I mean, think
about the fact book really quick, Josh, Shapiro and Pennsylvania
didn't debate once in the gubernatorial race. Katie Hobbs in
Arizona didn't debate once in the Arizona gubernatorial race. Why
is that Because Democrats have figured out it's really not
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about persuasion. It's not about persuading people to vote for you,
It's about understanding, have we seeded the field with enough
absentee ballots, with enough ballot requests for us to go
out and be able to collect them. And what they've done,
Buck is they have gone in and they've gotten a
lot of their low propensity voters. And just so people
who are listening to understand, most times you rank voters
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one out of four, one out of four being a
presidential general only election type voter, four out of four
being they show up at every primary, they vote in
spring elections, they vote in the general. What Democrats have
done very very well on the left is they've gone
out and they've realized we need to get our low
propensity voters to actually request a ballot, so then we
know we've actually pushed out a ton of ballots into
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the universe. Then we know where they're at, and we're
now going to collect all of those ballots. Because we
know this person has a ballot, we're going to harass
them either through phone calls, peer to peer text, door
knocks to get them to return that ballot. We as Republicans,
have not done that. In Florida. We've done it fairly well.
We've done kind of the push. We've pushed people to
get ballots, and then we've pulled them in, we've chased them.
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We had better figure out those strategies pretty quick. And
I have to tell you I just do not see
the R and C having First of all, I'm going
to be pretty rude here, the basic intelligence, the desire,
the willingness and ability to actually do a robust absentee
ballot chase and call it five to six presidential battleground states.
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So I think it's in coming upon outside groups, and
obviously American Majority Action or C four is working with
some groups to say, regardless of what the R and
C figures out, regardless of what a presidential campaign might
figure out or state GOP, we have to make sure
we facilitate maybe three, four or five presidential battleground state
absentee ballot chase programs in a very robust way. And
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I've told the other folks that are involved, it has
to probably start at ten million over the last four
to six weeks whenever the ballots drop in a specific state.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now, is it fair to say that, you know, you work,
you know, as CEO of American Majority, you're doing the
the ground pounding work of elections for the for Republicans,
the GOP, Conservatism, et cetera. Are you completely to write?
Are you out gunned at least just by the sheer
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number and financing of the other side. I couldn't even care. Yeah,
I had a feeling like, give me a sense of
that scale and closed it Just it just feels like
everywhere I look, there's another organization that's doing the bidding
and the left and not all of them are fun
to buy sorrows, obviously a lot of them are.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And I wonder like, where did all this come from?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I have to tell you, in fact, my new
op ed for American Greatness, where I write them, is
probably going to be a little brutal on think tanks.
I think that I think the right needs to really
examine what they're doing with a lot of their nonprofit money.
The left has been very sophisticated with how they spend
the C three and C four money. This is this
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is a dynamic. I think we need to look at
where the left is fixated on doing everything they can
to achieve political power. They have this obsession and lust
with political power. We on the right are wandering about.
I'm even saying conniing fiddles while the Republic burns that
we're spending so much money on think tanks and white
papers that we need to start focusing on, you know,
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two to three million a year in voter registration to
these states battleground states, and we need to figure out
how we're doing no less than ten million to Absentie Balchase.
The left is far more sophisticated than we are right now,
and how they spend their nonprofit money. And again, if
you want to talk about yeah we outgunned, are we overwhelmed?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Again? I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
They did this legally, but Mark Zuckerberg with Center for
Tech and Civic Life dropping in four hundred plus million
into presidential battleground states, into blue counties to boost the
blue vote. I mean, that's just one example. It's obviously
a significant one, but you realize the left is plowing
a lot of money into these outside groups to be
used in a very effective way, and whether if it's
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not voter registration, if it's not some of this other stuff.
They're doing law fair, they're doing investigative journalism, they're doing
Floyer requests, they're doing a lot of different things to
throw sand into the gears of anybody on the right
that might be trying to do effective work. So we
got to figure out how we use our nonprofit money
much much better. And until we do, we're going to
be outgunned, and sadly, Buck I think outgunned pretty significantly.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So just I think that's such a important point about
the about the zucker Bucks issue. You know, people will
refer to this, Well, what actually happened there? I know
it is four hundred million dollars, and I know it
was to help Democrats. But so they're able to use
tax advantage dollars, right, I assume these are this is
these are tax advantage, tax deductible dollars that I know Zuckerberg,
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you know, it's got so much money, he doesn't care,
but still to pick and choose, like we're just doing
a basically, if you just chose to do a get
out the vote effort in the city of Philadelphia. Well,
guess what you're gonna help Pennsylvania You go pretty blue, right,
And that's so they're able to keep it nonpartisan. So
it's tax advantage, but it's really not nonpartisan because you're
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where you're harvesting the votes are Democrats strongholds.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Is that basically the formula? Like, how did it work?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, well it really was. And Center for Taking Tech
and Civic Life was actually being run by some alumni
from the New Organizing Institute. Quite frankly, I always admire
for their pretty highly skilled tactics and strategy, and they
started Center for techan Civic Life and persuaded Zuckerberg to
do this. I mean, it's not rocket science, buck. You
know that there's certain places, like you just said, if
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they're heavily urban areas, the odds are it's going to
vote a certain way. Hey, let's go in and maybe
put ten dollars per voter into that county or that
area versus maybe a dollar for a red county, and
we're just going to help facilitate the vote, put some
dropboxes in. But it got to the point like in
Green Bay where Center for Tech and civic life essentially
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took over the machinery, the local machinery for how elections
were conducted. They went in and were extremely aggressive and
actually said, this is how the elections are going to
be conducted if you're going to take our grant money
and we're actually going to facilitate how it operates.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I still am stunned.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Again, not stunned, Buck, because I know a lot of
the machinery of this vast bureaucracy, whether it's at state, local,
or even the federal level, they're not on our side.
But it is pretty staggered that we've a lot We
allowed a billionaire to go in and, through a nonprofit,
essentially take over the election process and that entire process
in these battleground states, and nobody said, hey, do we
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have a conversation about this on a serious level, And
we're just kind of like.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Eh, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I want to ask you.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I'm telling you what I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
To their credit, a lot of Republican legislators have outlawed
zuck Bucks where they have the political power to power
to do so. But I'm telling you, Buck, the left
is never asleep. They're never going to stop and go out. Well,
you beat us on that one. I guess we just
have to take a break. I've made this point on
a on Lord Ingram show. But look at what they're
doing in Minnesota. They've done motor voter laws, they're now
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pre registering sixteen and seventeen year olds, and they're also
proposing pop up polling locations. And the easiest way to
explain that is, you know, someone in a county can request, hey,
we'd like to have a pop up polling location in
an advantageous place for us, say a rust home or
college campus. Think of it as a dry box on steroids.
I mean, the left is always aggressively trying to pursue
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how do we get political power and then how do
we hold onto it? And we on the right, a
lot of people are just wandering about, you know, having
black tie affairs and popping off fireworks over the Potomac
to celebrate their existence, but not achievement.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's a little discouraging.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And unfortunately, if we're going to talk about Joe Biden
here in a second and what we face with him,
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makes people, uh, even in some of my beloved audience,
frustrated with me because I end up having to tell them, Yeah,
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Joe Biden is a clown. He was not smart even
forty years ago, and he would go down all the lists.
There's aviators to cover up his face so that people
don't realize he's so vacant and old and decrepit in
the whole thing. Right, this is I point all this stuff.
I get it. He's probably going to win unless we
figure out a few things. And this is what I
try to tell everybody. Democrats don't care. They don't care
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that he is a decrepit buffoon and he's quasi snile
if not fully seenile. Right, he's the brand and their
brand apparatus is very powerful, and they're going to run.
Democracy is going to die if the Republican probably Trump
ends up being the nominee on our side and that
may swing enough independence. Who are just did you see
the Paul that said they're all exhausted by the way,
(16:28):
that's the biggest thing that people are thinking about now
that there's exhaustion. Exhaustion not good for our side.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
No, no, no, I you know, I'm kind of looking
at what I'm doing right now, eighteen months out from
the general elections in November of twenty twenty four, of
kind of ringing the bell a little bit and going
you think that we're up against you know, Grandpaul dimension
Harvey Harris. These guys are idiots, they are. But again,
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understand what's taking place. It's not even about Biden and
and Kamala Harris and all of their supposed, you know, attributes,
which are very limited on so many different levels. It's
about them being used as vehicles to achieve and to
retain political power. So quite frankly, you know, we do
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not be distracted by that and think, well, there's no
way we can lose to these chumps. Yes you can,
because they are focused on the machinery and the functional
aspects that we just discussed of We're going to collect
more ballast than the other guys when we're going to
invest enough money to do so. But the other thing too, Buck,
I'm working on a new book hopefully is going to
come out this year, but it's called American Leviathan, and
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it really is about the administrative state. But understand that
we're up against not only the Democratic Party, the left,
the corporate propagandists. We are up against the administrative state,
and they want to see somebody that's an ally to
the administrative state wins. So we're up against very powerful forces.
We should not underestimate that. That should hopefully sober us
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up and hopefully focus us on what we should be
doing over the next eighteen months, because it's going to
be a battle royale. If you think that somehow administrative
actors state actors are going to simply go, oh, yeah,
you know, Joe Biden's all washed up. I guess we're
just going to have to watch Donald Trump take the
White House back. No, they view him as an existential threat.
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They view him as it's such an incredible threat to
the premise that the administrative state is legitimate. They're going
to do everything that they can to make sure that
Joe Biden is able to waltz back into the White
House so that they can actually continue doing the actual
real governing of this country and use Joe Biden as
kind of a front man.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You think that the plan is to push Biden through
with every trick in the book in twenty twenty four
and then at some point have Kamala take over, and
therefore he gets to be Kamala gets to be the
first black female vice president. Obviously, this will be the
Democrat Party touting the massive achievement they're in without ever
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facing voters.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I think I don't think he's gonna be able to
get away with as much as he did in twenty
twenty and the COVID era, where he could stay in
the basement and have the corporate propaganda's essentially run his
campaign for him and do all the messaging for him.
I think they're gonna do that again, though. I think
they're going to use that playbook again.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I think the whole Russian disinformation, you know, Hunter Biden laptop,
you know, ploy theyll price try and pull that one
out again and do something along those lines. Yeah. I
think there's gonna be a whole host of things. We've
seen them pull out their playbook before. I think they're
going to use a lot of those same tricks. And
I think the corporate propagandas are going to be on
steroids next year to try and and make sure that
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Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is, does not take
the White House back, because I don't know if you
guys have noticed, Donald Trump is making it very clear recently,
even you know the schedule f I'm gonna go in,
I'm gonna reclassify some of these government employees, thousands of them,
and then I'm gonna fire them. He's making it very
clear he plans to go to war with the administrative state.
They know that they view him as an existential threat.
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So whatever confidence you might feel and running against Joe Biden,
Kamala Harris, please don't be overconfident. I feel like I
was over confident last year in twenty twenty two. I'm
never going to make that same mistake again.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I feel.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Just to be fair, I feel exactly the same way
I thought, how is it possible what a disaster Biden
is and the Democrats are so insane that any well,
go look at what college educated voters in particular did
in places like Arizona and Nevada in Pennsylvania and what
they said in the polling, which is just you know,
threat to democracy. You know, they believe some of the
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you know, pro abortion propaganda and they don't like Trump
and end of story, right, and you sit here, you go, whoa,
what about crime in cities? What about a wide open border?
What about a fat eah?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, no, they're very good to propaget the thing though,
And I don't want to be too much of a
Debbie downer for your listener, Like I want them to
have some hope.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I know you're usually a happy guy, by the way,
Like you're a pretty You're an upbeat, you know, optimistic guy.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, but keep going.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So just say, you know, there's one hundred and forty
four thousand more registered Republicans in Arizona than Democrats. You
should be able to win that in twenty twenty four
if you do the right things. You know, even in Minnesota,
I was just up there training trained a couple hundred
people on apps absentee ballot chase, ballot out, ballot in
and I made the point, if you guys had actually
been able to do something like this last fall in
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a state like Minnesota and collected just about twenty two
thousand rule absentee ballots that we knew we're all going
to go break for a Republican. You would have won
the state auditors race, and you would have beaten Keith
Ellison in the Attorney General's race. The numbers are there.
It can be done. So I want to give people
hope and knowing, hey, if you do the right things,
we could actually have some pretty good victories next year.
(21:52):
But simply hoping, simply wishing for that is not going
to actually get it done. We're going to have to
be seriously focused on and this is what I'm doing,
raising money to make sure that we're doing the voter registration,
working on doing absentee ballot chase. It's going to take
a lot of hard work and a lot of people
are going to have to actually buy into that philosophy
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on our site and the good news this book. Wherever
I've gone out and trained on this this year, I'd
say ninety nine percent of people agreeing saying we need
to do this. We're going to commit to it, and
we're going to do everything that we can to make
sure this happens in our state. So I'm optimistic if
we do the right things, we can win. But there's
a lot of ground, a lot of things that need
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to be done between April of twenty twenty three and
actually achieving that next fall in twenty twenty four. So
we got a lot of work to do, but it
can be done.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
NED.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
When we come back, can I ask you to tell
everybody about your Virginian You've been on the forefront of
some of the political battles there, including some of the
school issues. Glenn Youngkin haven't heard much in a while.
I want a full I want a full NED report
card on Youngkin. And also I want a net report
card on how the Trump campaign, the campaign not really
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Trump is doing so I mean, I know it's all
tied together, but it's doing so far. We'll get to
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let's let's start with Youngkin. You know I was all excited.
I was on the for Virginians. I was certainly given
high fives for for Youngkins, big big win, and we
needed a little bit of a boost at for twenty
twenty And how's he done ned I mean, and by
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the way, is he a possible presidential contender. I haven't
heard anything about that.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I don't think he's gonna run in twenty twenty four.
I think he's pretty realistic that right now you've got
two heavyweights. I would argue, one super heavyweight with Trump
and another heavyweight with DeSantis, and the polls reflect that.
And quite frankly, Youngkin's been doing a really good job
in here Virginia, especially considering he doesn't have the state Senate.
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He's got the House of Delegates fifty two to forty eight,
he doesn't have the state Senate, but he's been able
to achieve some good things on a host of fronts,
and he's he and Jason Millais and win some series
have been doing his best they can without having the
full political power needed to achieve some of these policy goals.
But Glenn Youngkin right now, and I think part of
this might be part of the reason buck that he's
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kind of foregoing a presidential I want to remind people
this year in Virginia, we have every state Senate race,
and we have every House of Delegate race, and if
Glenn Youngkin wants to be able to have that last
year of his governorship to achieve some policy things he's
going to actually need to have the State Senate, and
it's going to be a battle Royale. The maps are
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going to be really tough buck for us to get
to a twenty twenty tie. Right now, it's twenty one
to nineteen, actually twenty two eighteen. For us to get
to a twenty twenty tie. For Winson to have the
tie breaking vote is going to be an incredible achievements
can be very hard, So I think Glenn's focused on that.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We're going to be focused as well.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
On on maybe adding a seat or two to the
House of Delegates majority. But if you were to ask me,
and I haven't talked to him, I don't really have
that connection with young Kin, But if if I were
to guess, I would say he's going to be putting
a lot of time and resources into trying to get
keep the majority in the House of Delegates, hopefully get
to at least a twenty twenty time in the State
Senate so he can have one year to really achieve
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some of these policy goals that he really wants to achieve.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
So so far, I mean it sounds to me like,
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
What's the letter grade?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh, I would say, given what he's been able to do,
there's been a couple maybe I would quibble with.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I'd give him a solid A minus.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I was going to say, it sounds a minus or
B plus territory.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I was going to say, for somebody who is in
what is most assuredly a purple state, he's he's been
doing a really good job on what he has the
ability to do. Let's put it that way. So I
think Glenn Youngkin has a future in Republican politics. I
don't think it's twenty twenty four, but maybe it's. Maybe
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it's after that.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Is Virginia in play for Republican in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Maybe? And the reason I say that buck is a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I could say maybe, but you keep going.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Well, I mean, think about it, Glenn Younkin.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Really, I mean, he had Terry mcculliff throw them all
kinds of gifts coming down the home stretch. A lot
of people really woke up those last thirty forty days
and said, we can win Virginia. Young can only win
by what about two points? So even then we kind
of caught them by surprise. I think there's going to
be like it kind of goes back to and I
don't want to sound like a broken record.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
If the work is.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Done to actually do voter registration and absentee ballot chase
in Virginia which is a little harder than some other
states because we don't register by party in Virginia. If
we do those things, I have every reason to believe
that it can make Virginia really competitive in twenty twenty four.
But it's are we going to invest the time and
money into the functional aspects that will make it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It sounds like the Virginia GOP, then is it is
in a maybe better than average place, because like the Penncil,
from what I understand from my Pennsylvania friends, for example,
the Democrat the Democrat machine in Pennsylvania is just kicking
the ass of the Republican machine in Pennsylvania in every
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possible way, have them outplay and outfunded, outthought. And I'm like, guys,
it's kind of a big deal, right, This isn't This
isn't like Rhode Island. You know, this is Pennsylvania. It's
an important battleground state. Virginia is in a little better
Like how would you gauge that?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah? Does like really? I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, because of Glenn Youngkin, But you have to understand,
most state parties are have no funding, they have no
ability to actually perform a lot of these things. I mean,
I would say, I'm I'm a fan of the Virginia
GOP folks. I think they're doing the best they can
considering their limited finances. But this, this is of some concern.
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If we're not going to have really strong state gops,
we better figure out outside groups that are going to
be very robustly funded to be able to do some
of those functions. So, yeah, I think it's I think
it's doing fine. I would give it definitely not as
good a great as Glenn Youngkin, but it it's hanging
in there. It's just it's a very hard job book
to run a state GOP in many parts thanks to McCain,
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fine gold, but it's just it's really hard to do
and do it effectively. And I would argue probably of
the fifty state gops, there's maybe ten that are actually
well enough funded to do effective work.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
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campaign at this early stage, how's it looking. Who's doing what?
What do they need to change? What are they doing?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I think they've got some of the right people on board.
Buck Obviously Susie Wiles. Susie Wiles is really running the
show for Trump. You know, Susie and I had our differences,
to be honest about the RNC chair race. I was
essentially running Harmeat Dellon's whip team the Trump campaign. The
Trump folks were behind Ron and getting her reelected, getting
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her slate, trying to get them elected.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
The other two lost. It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Still a big fan of Susie's because I think what's
the important thing that people need to understand about what
Trump has done. Susie Wiles and her Florida team that
ran the absentee ballot chase program, that know exactly what
they're doing on that front, are essentially running the Trump campaign,
and so that should get people hope that the people
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that know how to do the functional ballot chase voter
registration that made Florida successful, they are essentially running the
field operations and a lot of the campaign aspects of
the Trump campaign. I think one of the interesting dynamics
that I'm looking at in the Trump campaign, I think
he's going to be successful. I do not think there
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can be a lot of big donors behind Trump. Is
going to be Trump and the small dollars donor base
against some of the donor class in the primary. I
give the nod to Donald Trump that he's going to
be able to pull it out, and I think some
of the donor class will come back to him in
the general, or they'll find outside groups that will be
a benefit to him. You know, I have to tell you,
I think the Trump campaign is doing everything that it
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needs to do right now.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
They know they're the front runner. They know that they are.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Really that eight hundred pound guerrilla and quite frankly, Donald
Trump knows how to use that power and that ability
to go after who he perceives to be some of
his biggest opponents. And I think he's been extremely effective
if you look at the poll numbers. So not over yet,
but you know, there are a lot of good things
that are actually happening with the Trump campaign.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Who do we have to win in order to win
in the White House in twenty twenty four that we
didn't in twenty twenty, right, I mean that's where.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
That would be sturban women.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
If it see okay, But so like Cintery, I talked
to Ryan Grodowski about this recently too, and I was,
I like to ask the people who know, right, because
this is like when you know, when I was in
the CIA, You know, you get the smartest silence you
ken and room. You ask them three of them the
same question, you're gonna get three variations. They're gonna be
rooted in the reality, but three variations of what they
think are you know what they assess? And I see here,
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I'm just like, how ned does Trump when suburban women?
I mean, in all honesty, I asked the question because
I if someone put that, someone told me the way way, Oh,
you don't want to know it. Ryan said, no chance.
Ryan said it's totally screwed.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
So well, so no, I think there's some ways obviously
Donald Trump is it's a hard sell to suburban white women.
I think there's a couple of things that he's going
to have to do that he can do. One, he's
gonna have to find a vice presidential candidate that appeals
to them. I'm proposing Kim Reynolds the governor of Island.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
She's actually a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, she's actually a lot of people have called her
the Ron DeSantis of the Midwest. I mean, some people
are going to have that perspective. She's very good. I
think that would mitigate some of that. For Trump, I
think he's going to go after some of these issues
that appeal to suburban moms. I think the transgender issue,
if I'm being honest, in women's sports and high school
women's sports can help him. So I think there's some
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It's going to be a tough sell, Buck, I mean,
I think we've got to be realistic. It's going to
be a hard sell. So that then the question becomes,
how do you build out your voter base. How do
you get enough ballots out there to maybe overcome some
of that, Because you know it's going to be it's
going to be a hard sell in those battleground stays
of those suburban white white women. It is we should
(34:50):
be realistic about it. So how do we mitigate that?
How do we overcome it?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
What about white working class voters who came over for
Trump in twenty sixteen and May have sat out in
twenty twenty, even you know the one. I've seen some
data to suggest that they didn't necessarily go Biden, but
there were some stay homes. And look this we're speaking
very broad terms, but you know, the America First message
(35:14):
of changing the way we do trade with particularly China,
but just in general, and I'm bringing back manufacturing. You
know in Ross Belt states that really seemed to resonate.
I don't know, it doesn't seem to me that resonated
the same way in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, I mean again, I haven't looked. I couldn't tell
you the numbers off the top of my head, but
I know there were a lot of people that voted
Obama in twenty twelve voted Trump in twenty sixteen in
that Upper Roust Belt. I think it comes down to
I'm sounded like a broken record.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Bucket guess, let me guess.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
We'll get ballot chase and getting the votes out and
get a.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Ballot like this is the thing, Like I'm telling you,
this can be done if we can get to these
people and say I need you to re quest about
or the other thing too that I'm also training people
on is please get it out of your head that
election day is the only aspect of election season. Here
in Virginia, we start voting six day, six weeks out,
(36:14):
So you need to start voting at the beginning of
election season, not on election day, because if you really
like your candidate, you're going to literally save them four
times the money that they're going to spend if you
don't vote early on text calls, door knocks. Yeah, it's
one of those things where the outreach was not what
it should have been. This is why I was so
frustrated about the RNC race. To be completely honest, Buck
(36:36):
in January, the RNC was miserable, failed completely on the
voter outreach that it should have done, could have done.
And if some of those components are not there and
you're not as focused as you should be, this is
what happens. People that should be your voters stay home
because you haven't hit them enough times to get them
to the polls. So I have to tell you if
(36:59):
we do not if we are not firing on all
cylinders next year in regards to outreach, registration, ballot request,
election season, yeah, we're up against it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
It can be done.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But what I'm now you're really getting me frustrated about
the R and C and and those folks that are
running it. But you know, I'm going to ignore them
and we're going to do the best we can without them.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
How does I mean you've been talking about these things.
I just think it's it's it's it's interesting to hear about.
I think people are curious, Like we say, do do
ballot chase?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Like what? What?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
How does this actually work? Like if I put you
in charge of getting the absentee ballot thing done in
you know, I don't know, like Wisconsin, right, that'll be
an important state. How does that work? What do you do?
Speaker 4 (37:41):
So I'll use Virginia as an examples some of that
this year.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Virginia.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, but just to explain a little bit, So you
can request a ballot, an absentee ballot up to twelve
days before the election. Right, So what we're going to
be doing is getting people to We're going to push
them to request a ballot all the way up until
the deadline.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
We know that I.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Really I really want this, like stell, like, how do
you put what are you doing? You're sending out emails, Hey, guys,
register for an absent jaam, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well, no, we'll find We'll find the people that have
either been traditional ballot requests or people that will will
actually model that we think our potential, and we'll mail them.
We'll probably mail them a ballot absentee ballot request form
in some of the state center races we're in to
get that form into their hands. To encourage them, you
need to fill this out and send it in. Once
they get in, the mail will proably fill up with
(38:32):
a peer to peer text. We'll probably fall up with
a phone call. The idea being we want to expand
our universe of ballots to get them in there, and
then once they're in the greater universe, we know where
they're at. Right, we know that somebody at this address
has a ballot, and it literally becomes a series of harassments.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Book. I mean, that is not rocket science.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
As soon as you know who's requested about where they're at,
you call them, you text them, you knock on the door.
Here in Virginia, we can actually ballot harvest, intend to
within all legal limits be able to do that, and
we will do that. So it becomes a series of
harassments to say we want your ballot, you have a ballot,
let's return that ballot, and let's get it in before
(39:12):
you know the deadline.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
So what are the like for Virginia. I know it's
different state to state, but ballot harvesting. Can you just
can you have somebody you know who works for American Majority?
Can you have somebody just go to like, you know,
a big apartment.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
We're harvesting here.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm sorry, Yeah, churches.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Were actually harvesting here.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Really yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah. In fact, it's one of those things that I
want to have a conversation with some of these churches
and go, hey, it's legal, you can do it. We
should be doing it by all means legal where it's
been decided in the state. This is a legal approach
to actually how you vote and collect ballots.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
We should do everything.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah you can, I mean, but how do you think
we have the House of Representatives? And what otherwise was
a absolutely complete miserable year. California republic and New York
Republicans decided, hey, it's legal to harvest, it's legal to
do all these things. We're going to actually do all
of that. That's in many ways why we have the
US House of Representatives. Because California and New York Republicans
(40:11):
decided these are the rules of the game. We're going
to play the game by these rules.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I am going to hopefully and we'll see and again,
this is what I hope to do. Get as many
churches as possible to actually ballot Harvest here in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Very interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well, Ned, please save the country and help us win
the next election. Okay, can you work on that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I'm trying, man, It's going to be It is going
to be hard, and I hope that enough people understand
we got a lot of hard work.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
It can be done.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
The Republic's in the balance book, and that's why I'm
so focused on this stuff. Between now and twenty twenty four.
Let's put in the hard work. Let's see if we
got a shot at restoring the Republic, because that's what's
really at stake in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
People want to help out at American Majority, where should
they go?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Go to Americamajority dot org. That's our website. You can
request training, you can become involved with us. They can
always follow me on Twitter at ned Ryan. They can
see some of the stuff I'm pushing out and talking about.
So Americanmajority dot org is a great place for them
to check out with all the resources and how they
can engage with us.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Ed Ryan one of the best in the business. Sir,
thank you so much for hanging out. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Thanks Buck
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