April 18, 2025 • 36 mins
In this episode, Tudor speaks with biblical scholar Jeff Cavins about the significance of Holy Week and the experiences of walking in the Holy Land. They discuss the emotional journey of Jesus leading up to the crucifixion, the perspectives of the disciples during this time, and the importance of hope and renewal in the Christian faith. Cavins shares insights on how to engage younger generations in faith and the inclusivity of Christianity, emphasizing that Jesus' message is for everyone. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast on this Good Friday,
and on Good Friday, we are blessed to have Jeff
Cans with us. He is a biblical scholar and the
creator of the Bible in a year plan also the
host of Daily Reflections with Jeff Cans, one of the
most popular sessions on the Hollow app. And you've got
something new coming out that we can download right now
(00:24):
and kind of follow this Holy Week through the Hollow app.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
That's right. It's good to be with you, Tutor, And yeah,
it's going to be a powerful week. Jonathan Roumi, who
most people know plays Jesus on The Chosen is going
to be shooting the crucifixion scenes in the Passion week
coming up in just a little while from now. With
that given, he's never been to the Holy Land before,
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and we do the Daily on Hello together and he
wanted to go to the Holy Land and he wanted
to have me teach him to go through the actual
walk with Jesus from Palm Sunday all the way to
the Resurrection and beyond, and so we did. We went
over there and it was magnificent and there was nobody
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there there's not many pilgrims there, so we really had
complete access to places like the Garden Agassemine, the Holy Sepulcher,
the Tomb of Jesus, the Last Supper, everything. It was
just really, really amazing, and so we put that together
with Hallow and we launched it Monday, this the day
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after Palm Sunday, and now we're going every day through
it and the response has been incredible, and I think
people are very interested because, I mean, this is the
guy playing Jesus, the biggest role right now on the
big screen, and I think they want to see his
response to being there for the first time as a
prep for the filming.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, and for a lot of us, you know, I
haven't been there, and I want to see it. I
want my children to be a to see that. The
goal obviously is to get there one day myself. But
what I was reading about your trip and from your
own experiences being over there is so much deeper than
you can even imagine. You know. It's like when you
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go to these places that are so monumental in your
life or in the history of your nation, you can
kind of feel it in your bones and I can't
even imagine what it's like to be in the Holy
Land to something so consequential for not only your life,
but your eternal life.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Exactly right, you know. It's like I guess I would
equate it to years ago. I liked listening to Phantom
of the Opera the CD, back when they had CDs,
and then I listened to it in the car all
the time. And then I got to go to the
Broadway production and I was sitting there and all of
a sudden it happened right in front of me, the
chandelier and everything. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is
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so much different than just listening to the CD, which
is fine, a lot of enjoyment out of it. But
that's the way it is. When you go over there.
You've heard all your life, perhaps these stories about Jesus.
There's stories about Paul and Peter, Mary, the rest of
the prophets, and then suddenly you're walking there. Like in
one scene with Jonathan, we were right outside of Caiaphas's house,
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the high Priest, where Jesus was he was betrayed by
Judas in the garden of Cassemone. They brought him back
up to Caiaphas's house and this was the road that
was Jesus' last walk from the Last Supper down to
the garden of Gassemone. And he and I sat down
and I sprung it on him. I said, you're sitting
on the stones that he walked on, and it hit
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him like wow. And that's what happens. You know, of course,
when you go over there, and we do realize that
a lot of people they can't make it over there.
One of the reasons right now is because of the war.
I was finishing a project and actually landed on October
seventh and that morning and had to turn around three
days later come back. But a lot of people are
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not going to make it over there. So what we
wanted to do is try to bring it to you
in a way that it's not just the pictures, but
we wanted to create the atmosphere for you to enter
into that particular story.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And at a time when there has been kind of
this resurgence of faith and you see it, you see
it in these articles. All suddenly we're seeing that the
amount of people that are dropping off is not happening anymore.
It's kind of steady, and it seems like there's a
push toward growing people in the faith in Christianity. And
(04:34):
as I was preparing for this, I was thinking, you know,
all these years I've reflected on this weekend and what
this means, and I don't think I think every year
it changes for me. It's kind of especially as a
parent now, because I was thinking about this this morning,
and I'm like, do I talk about this as like,
you know, hey, happy Good Friday? Or are you sad
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on Good Friday? But I was thinking about it, and
I said to myself, you know, what a hero what
a hero's day? Because he knew. He didn't question it,
he didn't say, you know, there's a way of getting
out of this. He knew he had to do this,
and he knew it was going to be extremely painful.
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He knew it would be humiliating all of the things
that we avoid in life, right, everything to a degree
that we could never possibly handle. And yet he walked
into it in a glad way because he's our parent,
you know. And I thought, as a parent, I see
it differently because I'm like, so many years I've said
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to myself, what was it like for him to see
his mother, to know that he was leaving her, to
know that he would be separated. And it's just like
us when we are losing someone to death, we go,
we're separated for a time, and for him it was
a separation for a time, but there was no hesitation
because he would do anything for us. It's just so
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incredible for me as a parent to think I would
do this for my kids, but how much more he
will do for me?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, and I like what you said. You would do
it for your kids, But the question is would you
do it for the rest of the kids out there?
The answer is probably hmm, I don't know about that.
Or would you offer your kid for the sins of
the world. Now you really get into that position of
Mary having to walk through that. And you know when
Jonathan and I were sitting on those steps and we
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were looking out at the ancient temple mount and the
garden of Goitsemone and the path that we were going
to walk down, which after we spoke, he said, I
got to take my shoes off. I have to walk this.
And he took his shoes off in his socks, and
he walked all the way down, came and came back
and I said to him, and this is on the
heels of what you said, and that is he left
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the Last Supper. He went by Kai house on this
ancient Roman road, and he was going to go down
to the garden of Casemite. He knew very well that
one of the twelve was betraying, yet he kept walking.
He knew very well that he'd be arrested and brought
back to Caiaphas's house and put into that dungeon, and
he kept walking. And the big challenge for us on
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this particular series was will we keep walking? Because you
probably are going to be betrayed at some point in
your life, and you're probably going to be denied at
some point in your life, or you know, disrespected in
some way. Would you still walk? Would you still take
those steps of faith? And so the only way that
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you can really do it is if you have Him
in you, if you are walking in Christ and Christ
is in you and empowered by the love of the
Holy Spirit. And that's really what Easter is about. It's
the victory over death, hell and the grave, and it's
allowing us to experience that same spirit that raised Christ
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from the dead, and that same spirit that raised Christ
from the dead now fuels us in our daily jobs.
And our family and our extended family and politics. You know,
every single area there's something different about you and there's
something different about me. And that differences is the love
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of Christ in our life, and this week celebrates it
in spades.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's funny because from the perspective of politics, because politics
has sort of gotten like seeped into every aspect of
our lives and even our children's lives in ways that
I had never seen when I was a kid. I
think of that this story in terms of what were
the disciples thinking, because I think they were still still
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in a political mindset, even though their faith was very strong.
They were still like, Okay, this guy's going to be
the leader. You know, this is the king. He's going
to take over all of these lands, and we're with him.
We're with the king, not fully understanding what being with
the king was, right. So I think so from their
perspective on this weekend watching him be betrayed, what the
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emotions were. And I'm sure you walk through this in
this journey. What are the emotions of being at your
highest high? You know, you're having this dinner with the
king of kings, and the feeling had to have been
different than any other feeling. I can't even imagine it.
Sitting with Jesus himself, you know, and learning from him
and knowing that there is something so special, and then
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he gets betrayed. And Peter obviously is shocked because he's like, yeah, no,
I don't know the guy, you know, but you can
see all this from today's perspective and say, my goodness, yes,
you would be so afraid because the law of the land,
you know, thinking Okay, he's going to be the next king,
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he's going to take over, and then you're kind of like,
whoa in the on in the natural we got burned,
you know, and the earthly sense this didn't go the
way we thought it was the way Jesus was expecting,
but they were kind of figuring it out as they went.
The joy of Sunday had to have been incredible, but
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still there had to have been unease.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, boy, you put it perfectly. We should have brought you.
You could have given commentary here, because what you are saying, Tutor,
is exactly what we followed, and that we went down
into the Garden of Gasemone, we experienced the betrayal, we
were brought back up to Caiaphas's house and the place
where Jesus was downstairs there in that dungeon. You can
(10:36):
hear outside right there. And if Peter says, man, I
tell you I don't know the man, well, Jesus heard
this and chills, Yeah, you said so well, And that
is that Peter was on a high. They all were,
And yet there was confusion. What's going on? And we've
come in for the passover. Things are looking a little uncertain.
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All of a sudden, Judas leaves the last up or early.
They go down to the garden. The Romans come in
and Judas kisses him and betrays him. At that point,
it's like, okay, what's going on? They're taking them away.
Certainly there's got to be a way out of this.
I mean, he's going to do some kind of miracle
like we haven't ever seen before. And all their plans
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come crashing down as they take him, and of course
they whip him, they beat him and they crucify him,
and they put him in the tomb. And this attitude
that people had, who was reflected in Luke twenty four
and the Amais Road afterwards, these two individuals are doing
what they're walking away from Jerusalem. Their heads are low,
they're disappointed, their dreams are crushed. And as one preacher
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once said one time, you know, it's Friday, but Sunday's coming.
You know, in your life it's Friday. Things don't look good.
It's gloomy, cloudy. You're not sure about the future anymore.
But Sunday's coming. And after the resurrection, you see what
you were talking about. You still see this, this remnant
of the disappointment. Because Peter was the leader, he had
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the keys to the kingdom, and he denied the lord
three times. And afterwards there must have been that sheepish
look of man, I wish I would have stuck in there.
I'm so sorry, you know. And we see his heart
reflected in that he says, I'm going to go back fishing.
He goes back up north to Galilee to fish. Now,
if you understand how you become a disciple. The rabbis
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would invite someone to become a disciple by saying in Hebrew,
lech ACHRAI come follow me, And that's what he said
to Peter. But now Peter's like saying, you know, I'm
not the right guy. I think there's probably better choice.
He goes back up to Galilee, and so Jonathan and
I went back up to Galilee on the Sea of Galilee,
and we went right to that place where Jesus shows up.
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And Peter is with some of the other disciples fishing
because they're kind of going back, you know, and Jesus
all of a sudden appears and it's around a charcoal fire,
just like at Caiaphas's house, denied him around a charcoal fire.
And then Jesus pulls Peter out and says, do you
love me more than these? He says, Lord, yeah, I
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love you. Feed my sheep again, you love me? Feed
my sheep a third time? You love me? He gets upset, Lord,
you know everything about me. You know I love you.
Then feed my sheep, tend my lambs, and then he
ends that conversation with Peter. I can just in the series.
I put my hand on Jonathan's shoulder and tell him this.
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As I looked at me, I said, ah, come fall,
Yeah you fell, but the calling is still on your life.
And I think that's good news for how many people
who have failed in marriage, they failed in raising their children.
At least they feel that way. They feel like I'm
left over and in Jesus eyes, No, it's always a
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new beginning, and that's what Easter is. It's a new beginning.
It's a new start in your marriage, in your relationship
with people, in your hope for the future. So it's yeah,
when you go there, it kind of comes alive. And
when I brought Jonathan up there on the shores of
the Sea of Gali, you could see in his eyes it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Was like, We've got more coming up with Jeff Cavens,
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We've got more coming up after this. I think about
all of those things that you just said, when you
talk about how Peter felt and how he shied away
from this, and how much that's like us. You know what,
when we read the Bible, it's it is stories of
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earthly people who are people of faith. But we can
continually fail, right, We continually fall back on what we
know here because it's hard and I think that the
message and maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the messages. Look,
this is a journey, and it's a hard journey, and
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you only you can keep bringing pulling yourself back. But
Jesus is there. You've got to keep seeking him. He's
never going to stop seeking you. He will never stop
seeking you. But it is it's hard because I think
about all of the different factors, all of the different
outside worldly pressures. Because they followed this man when people
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were going, oh my goodness, he's not talking about the law.
He's going against what we learned. He's not following the
Old Testament, he's not following what Moses said. You know,
this is all of this stuff is different, and we can't.
We've got to get away from this guy. And then
the disciples were like, no, there's something here. We're going
to follow him. And then you go through the crucifixion
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and you've got to be like all of the worldly
pressures that the people on the outside going told you, yep,
told you it wasn't the Messiah, and then you it
now falls on you alone when Jesus comes back and says,
keep feeding my people, Well, that's on you. You have to
tell the story. Now it is worldly people going out
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with faith and with the Holy Spirit and changing hearts
and minds, and that to me is so powerful because
that's you and me.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You know. There's a text
in the Bible says hope deferred makes the heart sick
and in our lives. You know, you think back at
all the times we had great hope about something and
then something happened and hope was deferred. It didn't happen,
and you feel sick about it, you know. And I
think that the disciples probably felt that way when Jesus
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was put into the grave and what was that walk
home like? What was that like? That day of oh
my gosh, what is the last three years meant? You know,
I'm going to get that backed And they must have
felt that way. But the resurrection from the dead overcomes
all of this. And if people are living with this
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idea of a sickness in their heart and their soul
because hope has been deferred, whether in a relationship or
their children or work or whatever it might be, I
think that the resurrection renews all of this hope, because
you know, our hope is not in man, you know,
and our hope is not as Asalma says, not in chariots,
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and it's not in gold and silver or bitcoin or
anything else. Our hope is in God. And I love
this because you know, the Hebrew word, which is also
the anthem for Israel, the national anthem, hot teak va
tik va is hope, the hope. How tikva is that
the hope that we have, we've been given in our heart.
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Hope is not a hope, so you know, and it's
not a projection of the future based on my limited power,
my limited perspective, my limited insight and wisdom. But it's
a look at the future based on His unlimited power
and his unlimited vision in wisdom given to me because
I'm in Christ. And so when I look at a
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problem in my life and I and I think, oh man,
I'm just such a loser, you know, And is this
happening again? And you can change that attitude, and you
can say, Lord, I'm going to hope in you. My
hope is in you. My hope isn't in the market,
you know. My hope, my hope certainly is not in
politics necessarily, you know. And I think that's where a
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lot of people in our country are at right now,
is that we have lived for a long time with
hope in people and the the the the market, in
our life, whether it be politics or Hollywood, or whether
it be you know, the news, these things. People really
relied on it. In the last five to ten years,
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everything has been scrambled a bit and people are like, wow,
what do you know? What do we do? You know?
I'll give you an example of that, Tutor. What was
a few years ago, Father Mike Schmidts and I put
together the Bible in a Year podcast And we did that.
We did that. See, it was in twenty twenty and
we were done by around October January first of twenty one.
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We got a call from our producer and said, are
you sitting down, and yeah, it's your number one So
number one?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
What?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Number one?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
And they said it's number one podcast in America. What.
We went on there to app and looked at it
and we had to determine real quickly why why And
we came to the conclusion it's not us. Had we
been given that task of trying to do that, we
wouldn't have done that. We would have tried to be
funny or something, you know. But here's what the deal is.
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We believe the Holy Spirit did this. Why because everyone
during the beginning of COVID, they were lonely, they were
without work. Many of them they couldn't get out there.
It was an awful time for a lot of people.
And in the midst of it, it was like the
Lord was saying, Okay, I'm going to come to you
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and I'm going to renew your life and I'm going
to give you a plan for living. And that's the only, uh,
that's the only conclusion we can really come to. And
I think we're still in that to a degree. And
so we have this, you know, we put out something
like we did with Jonathan there, and my word, the
response was incredible, just really incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
An access in a way that young people understand better
than sitting down and doing the job on your own
of reading the Bible. You know, it's like there's there's
a new new way of reaching people and that that
was given to you, like this is how you're meant
to do it. And I just I think about what
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you said about hope and the need for hope, and
I think that's what we've seen in this country for years,
and that's why that the environ the political environment, has
become so toxic because there's a blame of who, you know,
whose fault is it? And where do we put place
our hope? And there has been a decline in the
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past ten years of people in the church. We now,
like I said, we're seeing that steady off and that
maybe even increasing a bit. And I believe that's because
you know, they went around and they talked to young
people in this new generation and they said, you know,
what do you need? And years ago I was in
a group where this woman said, we find that our
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students who are joining these different groups keep telling us
that they're I want to be a part of something bigger.
So I become an activist and I go out then
I fight for a cause. And it's not a cause
they believe in necessarily, it's something that they feel like
they're a part of something bigger than themselves. And they said,
you know, we're pushing them back to the church. There
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is a way to be a part of something bigger
than yourself. They push them back to the church. And
these young people have come in back to the church
and even sometimes sought out Latin masses because they've said,
you know, I want to really, really feel that closeness
to God and that feeling of the Scripture and feeling
of God's word on me and how that changes my life.
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And you're talking about this pilgrimage being life changing, and
I just think it's so neat to watch how one
app has brought so many people. Even if you were
a church person, it's brought unchurched, it's brought church to people.
But bringing you to that closer relationship with God is
just so critical to getting through all these things. And
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then I think, honestly, we wouldn't have this fear of oh,
my candidate's not here, my politicians not the one and
what's going to happen. God's got this.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think you really
nailed it. And when you talk about where young people
are at today, because my wife and I we've watched
the evening news, we see these protests for whatever reason.
I mean, there's people that are sincere, and there always is,
but we looked at it over and over and over
and I said to my wife, I said, they don't
believe in this, they're not even aware of really what
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the subject is, but they want to become a part
of something that rises up and there's change, and there's
purpose and so forth. And I get that. And what
I would say to them is there is a purpose,
and there is change, and there is someone to follow
and to fight for, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ,
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who is some people say, a revolution, you know, and
he's the one that stood up against the norm, and
he's the one that said to love your enemies, and
and so the I think that the more difficult you
make Christianity in some ways, young people are like, that's
for me. I'm going to do that, you know, And
and they want to follow this radical guy, and I'm
going to lay down my life even if i have
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to die. I'll die for you, kind of like Peter,
you know, Lord, I'll die for you. And Jesus, hmmm, No,
you're gonna You're gonna deny me before the cock crows
three times, you know, deny me three times. So I
think I think that, uh, you're You're exactly right when
you look at the young people out there, and you
can see I think I know you. That's what you
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and I are saying, kind of, you know, tutor, looking
at them, I think I know you. I think I
know what you're searching for Come here, I've got something
for you. It's gonna blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's been kind of neat to see celebrities get involved
in this because I think that that is another group
that young people tend to go. I'll put my hope
in you all follow you. I think that something you're
doing is impressive. And to see them kind of step
out and be like, it's not about me. Yeah, And
that's gotten some pushback too. I think it was Gwen
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Stefani who came out over Christmas and was talking about
the Hollow app and she got a lot of pushback
on us, like whoa what is this? And I think,
you know, when you're in that position, all the pushback
is fine if you save one.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know the purpose of the app is
not to gather together a bunch of speakers and singers
who have their life completely one hundred percent totally put together.
That is not the purpose. The purpose is to glorify Jesus,
to proclaim the Gospel in a way that people can understand.
And we do realize that along the way, there are
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a lot of people who are at different places on
this journey, and there is nothing wrong with me walking
with one or two and saying how are you doing,
you know, and how are you relating to God in
your life, all the while keeping what we call that orthodoxy,
you know, their center stage. And so yeah, there are
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people who join us, you know, Lauren Daggel and Chris
Pratt and Mark Wahlberg, and these are people who are
actively you know, growing and trying to pursue their relationship
with the Lord. You know, Tutor, the one thing we
don't want to do is we don't want to project
this idea that if you're going to hang with me
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or us, you got to have it together, you know.
And we're not putting people on there like they're doctors
of the Church, your great saints from the old These
are people like you and me, you know. And the
truth is that if people knew all about any of us,
we probably would not be invited to the party.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You know. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue
next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I saw a post
on social media today and I don't know if it
was true, but it was a good a good example
of what we tend to do. It was this story
of a bishop who had a woman and her young
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child come into the church, and she wasn't dressed the
way the people expected her to be dressed. So people
that worked at the church ushered her out, and the
bishop said to them, you'll pray for her every day
for the rest of your life, because there's a chance
that she will never walk into a church again. And
I want to make sure that we don't chase people off,
that everybody is welcome. Yes, And I just think so
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often that is the case. It's like, oh, you don't
really fit here, You're not really right, and we have
to remember we don't really fit here. Yeah, yeah, we're
never good enough. And yet he always welcomes us.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, and he's always saying, you know, come with me.
I don't see Jesus at any point saying you you
and you please stay.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Back a little bit right right right.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I've got reputation, i have a social media platform, I've
got a book deal. It's about to be please please.
He'd say, bring the children to me. Bring them and
what do the what do disciples do? They tried to
push them back, who wha, whoa? Give the superstars some
rome here. No, he said, bring them to me, bring
them to me. And I think that that's that's I
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believe the heart of Jesus, and that's the way I
want to be, you know, And anybody that I can
bring to the walk with the Lord, I'm going to
do it because I know that here's the here's the
interesting thing. I'll share this with you. You get you'll
get a kick out of this. I think when uhhen
Zachias down in Jericho, he's he's chief tax collector. That
means he's he's hated by all the Jews. He's got
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he's the chief. He has underlings that are tax collectors.
He has a fine home and everything. He has ripped
people off. He has cheated people, you know. And when
they see him coming to Jericho to do what he
wants to see Jesus, he's you know, he gets up
in the sycamore tree and he looks down he sees Jesus,
and and Jesus looks up at him and says, you
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come on now, I'm going to have dinner at your house.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
They go crazy nuts.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
If he knew who that was, yeah, he wouldn't have
them over for dinner. Does you know what that says?
Something about his discernment. You know, he is so if
he knew who that was. He'd never he would invite us,
the Pharisees, you know, the scribes, we would be going
to dinner. But here's the deal. They got ripped off
of a lot of money. The only way that they're
ever going to get back that money. And they're probably saying,
(30:30):
you know you owe me, you ripped me off, you
owe me. I wish I could take you to court,
you know. But the only way they're going to get
that money back is if Zechias has dinner with Jesus.
And when Zechiez gets together with Jesus, his whole heart
melts and he says, I'm going to give I'm going
to give everything back to them in fourfold. And that's
what happens when we invite the tax collectors and the
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chief priests to come into this intimate dinner with Jesus,
and Jesus changes their heart and then that that that
high priest turns around says, you know all of you
that I know, I know I've done you wrong, and
I know you've hated me all this time. I know it.
I'm giving four fold back this guy, Jesus, that you
allowed me to come into the city and view he's
changed my life. Yeah, earlier about the lady with the dressing,
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you know, addressing what would happen if they had taken
Jesus and just thrown them out of the city Zechias.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
And it's such so interesting at a time when we
see people like looking at at somebody in their political
party and saying, you talked to this person. You can't
be a part of this group anymore. You can't, you
can't be here. We've got to push you out. You're
not acceptable. You crossed the line. This is an exclusive group.
And yet Jesus didn't have an exclusive group. It wasn't
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an exclusive club with Jesus. It was open to all.
And you think that you you think so many people
look at Christianity as an exclusive group, but it's not.
And that was why we have That's why Jesus came,
That's why he sent, God, sent his only son. It
was to say it's not exclusive. It's here for all
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of you. I'm coming to you to show you that
it's here for all of you. And I just I
think that's so amazing. And this weekend is always that
weekend where you feel like he did it for me
and I didn't deserve it. I don't know why he
did it for me, and I think there is guilt
in this weekend, and probably a good guilt, because that's
that convicting guilt that on Sunday means we all get
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to say, at Sunday came, Sunday is here, he has
risen and we get to rejoice in that. But before
I let you go, I know I'm keeping you a
little long, but let me ask you to just one
more time. Tell people where they can get this, because
I know I want my girls to walk that walk,
and so people understand they actually get to see you
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walk this walk?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Correct, Yes? With Jonathan? Yeah, I mean Jonathan's really the
I think the folk of this is his experience because
he's going to be filming in the weeks ahead now
those scenes for the Chosen. And you know, people can
go to you can download the Hello app and you
can register that way. They do have a seven seven
(33:16):
days free which is perfect for this, and if you
want to get I think it's three months to check,
but I think it's three months. You can go to
Hello dot com forward slash Jeff Caven's my my name
and they'll give you three months free on that. But
you can get it. You can download it and you
can begin watching right now, and you can pick up
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the whole week. You can go back and watch him
as well, and it's really a great tool. You mentioned it.
You're spot on for children because when children say that's
the Garden of that's the Garden of gossemone and a
boy that looks like Jesus, well that's Jonathan, but he
plays Jesus.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So yeah, that's what I always say. I'm a very
I'm a visual person and I know my kids are
visual people. And I think we all sit down and
we read those stories and we read those stories together
as a family. But to put the visual with it,
to see that, that's so much more powerful. And that's
why I think it's so important people go to Hollow
download the app you just heard. You can get three
(34:17):
months free, So why would you not do it? Go there?
And really, I think that you have to understand that
the reason people like you are out there doing this
for the folks listening is because we want you to
have that hope. The hope that you talked about. It's
just it's having gone through cancer, losing my dad to cancer,
just all the things that you go through as a parent,
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all the struggles you go through. I don't know how
I would have done it without Jesus.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I'm with you on that tutor. I just October.
Last October my dad died, and then March first to
this year, my mom died. And I know what you're
saying is that is that there's something different about you
and there's something different about me morning because we have
this relationship with Jesus, there's even our mourning is different,
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and our hope is even in.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
That because it's we're separated for a time. I mean,
it's just like when I think about him at that dinner,
looking at all of them and the difference between what
they were going through at that dinner and the knowledge
that he had at that dinner. I leave them tomorrow.
I am separated for a time. That is the same
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feeling I had when I lost my dad. We're separated
for a time. I'm so blessed that I get to
see you again. And I think that's the if that
doesn't sell you, I mean, that's the hope that you
have in Jesus, is that you get to have eternal
life in him because he has given his life for us.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Amanda that I totally agree with you, totally agree.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, thank you, thank you, and happy Easter coming up.
Thank you so much. Jeff Cavens, like you said, go
to the Hallow app for sure. Thanks for being on today.
Thank you, Thank you all for joining us on the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this podcast and others, go to
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Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast on this Good Friday,
and on Good Friday, we are blessed to have Jeff
Cans with us. He is a biblical scholar and the
creator of the Bible in a year plan also the
host of Daily Reflections with Jeff Cans, one of the
most popular sessions on the Hollow app. And you've got
something new coming out that we can download right now
(00:24):
and kind of follow this Holy Week through the Hollow app.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
That's right. It's good to be with you, Tutor, And yeah,
it's going to be a powerful week. Jonathan Roumi, who
most people know plays Jesus on The Chosen is going
to be shooting the crucifixion scenes in the Passion week
coming up in just a little while from now. With
that given, he's never been to the Holy Land before,
(00:50):
and we do the Daily on Hello together and he
wanted to go to the Holy Land and he wanted
to have me teach him to go through the actual
walk with Jesus from Palm Sunday all the way to
the Resurrection and beyond, and so we did. We went
over there and it was magnificent and there was nobody
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there there's not many pilgrims there, so we really had
complete access to places like the Garden Agassemine, the Holy Sepulcher,
the Tomb of Jesus, the Last Supper, everything. It was
just really, really amazing, and so we put that together
with Hallow and we launched it Monday, this the day
(01:32):
after Palm Sunday, and now we're going every day through
it and the response has been incredible, and I think
people are very interested because, I mean, this is the
guy playing Jesus, the biggest role right now on the
big screen, and I think they want to see his
response to being there for the first time as a
prep for the filming.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, and for a lot of us, you know, I
haven't been there, and I want to see it. I
want my children to be a to see that. The
goal obviously is to get there one day myself. But
what I was reading about your trip and from your
own experiences being over there is so much deeper than
you can even imagine. You know. It's like when you
(02:15):
go to these places that are so monumental in your
life or in the history of your nation, you can
kind of feel it in your bones and I can't
even imagine what it's like to be in the Holy
Land to something so consequential for not only your life,
but your eternal life.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Exactly right, you know. It's like I guess I would
equate it to years ago. I liked listening to Phantom
of the Opera the CD, back when they had CDs,
and then I listened to it in the car all
the time. And then I got to go to the
Broadway production and I was sitting there and all of
a sudden it happened right in front of me, the
chandelier and everything. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is
(02:55):
so much different than just listening to the CD, which
is fine, a lot of enjoyment out of it. But
that's the way it is. When you go over there.
You've heard all your life, perhaps these stories about Jesus.
There's stories about Paul and Peter, Mary, the rest of
the prophets, and then suddenly you're walking there. Like in
one scene with Jonathan, we were right outside of Caiaphas's house,
(03:18):
the high Priest, where Jesus was he was betrayed by
Judas in the garden of Cassemone. They brought him back
up to Caiaphas's house and this was the road that
was Jesus' last walk from the Last Supper down to
the garden of Gassemone. And he and I sat down
and I sprung it on him. I said, you're sitting
on the stones that he walked on, and it hit
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him like wow. And that's what happens. You know, of course,
when you go over there, and we do realize that
a lot of people they can't make it over there.
One of the reasons right now is because of the war.
I was finishing a project and actually landed on October
seventh and that morning and had to turn around three
days later come back. But a lot of people are
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not going to make it over there. So what we
wanted to do is try to bring it to you
in a way that it's not just the pictures, but
we wanted to create the atmosphere for you to enter
into that particular story.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And at a time when there has been kind of
this resurgence of faith and you see it, you see
it in these articles. All suddenly we're seeing that the
amount of people that are dropping off is not happening anymore.
It's kind of steady, and it seems like there's a
push toward growing people in the faith in Christianity. And
(04:34):
as I was preparing for this, I was thinking, you know,
all these years I've reflected on this weekend and what
this means, and I don't think I think every year
it changes for me. It's kind of especially as a
parent now, because I was thinking about this this morning,
and I'm like, do I talk about this as like,
you know, hey, happy Good Friday? Or are you sad
(04:55):
on Good Friday? But I was thinking about it, and
I said to myself, you know, what a hero what
a hero's day? Because he knew. He didn't question it,
he didn't say, you know, there's a way of getting
out of this. He knew he had to do this,
and he knew it was going to be extremely painful.
(05:16):
He knew it would be humiliating all of the things
that we avoid in life, right, everything to a degree
that we could never possibly handle. And yet he walked
into it in a glad way because he's our parent,
you know. And I thought, as a parent, I see
it differently because I'm like, so many years I've said
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to myself, what was it like for him to see
his mother, to know that he was leaving her, to
know that he would be separated. And it's just like
us when we are losing someone to death, we go,
we're separated for a time, and for him it was
a separation for a time, but there was no hesitation
because he would do anything for us. It's just so
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incredible for me as a parent to think I would
do this for my kids, but how much more he
will do for me?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, and I like what you said. You would do
it for your kids, But the question is would you
do it for the rest of the kids out there?
The answer is probably hmm, I don't know about that.
Or would you offer your kid for the sins of
the world. Now you really get into that position of
Mary having to walk through that. And you know when
Jonathan and I were sitting on those steps and we
(06:25):
were looking out at the ancient temple mount and the
garden of Goitsemone and the path that we were going
to walk down, which after we spoke, he said, I
got to take my shoes off. I have to walk this.
And he took his shoes off in his socks, and
he walked all the way down, came and came back
and I said to him, and this is on the
heels of what you said, and that is he left
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the Last Supper. He went by Kai house on this
ancient Roman road, and he was going to go down
to the garden of Casemite. He knew very well that
one of the twelve was betraying, yet he kept walking.
He knew very well that he'd be arrested and brought
back to Caiaphas's house and put into that dungeon, and
he kept walking. And the big challenge for us on
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this particular series was will we keep walking? Because you
probably are going to be betrayed at some point in
your life, and you're probably going to be denied at
some point in your life, or you know, disrespected in
some way. Would you still walk? Would you still take
those steps of faith? And so the only way that
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you can really do it is if you have Him
in you, if you are walking in Christ and Christ
is in you and empowered by the love of the
Holy Spirit. And that's really what Easter is about. It's
the victory over death, hell and the grave, and it's
allowing us to experience that same spirit that raised Christ
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from the dead, and that same spirit that raised Christ
from the dead now fuels us in our daily jobs.
And our family and our extended family and politics. You know,
every single area there's something different about you and there's
something different about me. And that differences is the love
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of Christ in our life, and this week celebrates it
in spades.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's funny because from the perspective of politics, because politics
has sort of gotten like seeped into every aspect of
our lives and even our children's lives in ways that
I had never seen when I was a kid. I
think of that this story in terms of what were
the disciples thinking, because I think they were still still
(08:39):
in a political mindset, even though their faith was very strong.
They were still like, Okay, this guy's going to be
the leader. You know, this is the king. He's going
to take over all of these lands, and we're with him.
We're with the king, not fully understanding what being with
the king was, right. So I think so from their
perspective on this weekend watching him be betrayed, what the
(09:03):
emotions were. And I'm sure you walk through this in
this journey. What are the emotions of being at your
highest high? You know, you're having this dinner with the
king of kings, and the feeling had to have been
different than any other feeling. I can't even imagine it.
Sitting with Jesus himself, you know, and learning from him
and knowing that there is something so special, and then
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he gets betrayed. And Peter obviously is shocked because he's like, yeah, no,
I don't know the guy, you know, but you can
see all this from today's perspective and say, my goodness, yes,
you would be so afraid because the law of the land,
you know, thinking Okay, he's going to be the next king,
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he's going to take over, and then you're kind of like,
whoa in the on in the natural we got burned,
you know, and the earthly sense this didn't go the
way we thought it was the way Jesus was expecting,
but they were kind of figuring it out as they went.
The joy of Sunday had to have been incredible, but
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still there had to have been unease.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, boy, you put it perfectly. We should have brought you.
You could have given commentary here, because what you are saying, Tutor,
is exactly what we followed, and that we went down
into the Garden of Gasemone, we experienced the betrayal, we
were brought back up to Caiaphas's house and the place
where Jesus was downstairs there in that dungeon. You can
(10:36):
hear outside right there. And if Peter says, man, I
tell you I don't know the man, well, Jesus heard
this and chills, Yeah, you said so well, And that
is that Peter was on a high. They all were,
And yet there was confusion. What's going on? And we've
come in for the passover. Things are looking a little uncertain.
(10:57):
All of a sudden, Judas leaves the last up or early.
They go down to the garden. The Romans come in
and Judas kisses him and betrays him. At that point,
it's like, okay, what's going on? They're taking them away.
Certainly there's got to be a way out of this.
I mean, he's going to do some kind of miracle
like we haven't ever seen before. And all their plans
(11:18):
come crashing down as they take him, and of course
they whip him, they beat him and they crucify him,
and they put him in the tomb. And this attitude
that people had, who was reflected in Luke twenty four
and the Amais Road afterwards, these two individuals are doing
what they're walking away from Jerusalem. Their heads are low,
they're disappointed, their dreams are crushed. And as one preacher
(11:43):
once said one time, you know, it's Friday, but Sunday's coming.
You know, in your life it's Friday. Things don't look good.
It's gloomy, cloudy. You're not sure about the future anymore.
But Sunday's coming. And after the resurrection, you see what
you were talking about. You still see this, this remnant
of the disappointment. Because Peter was the leader, he had
(12:05):
the keys to the kingdom, and he denied the lord
three times. And afterwards there must have been that sheepish
look of man, I wish I would have stuck in there.
I'm so sorry, you know. And we see his heart
reflected in that he says, I'm going to go back fishing.
He goes back up north to Galilee to fish. Now,
if you understand how you become a disciple. The rabbis
(12:26):
would invite someone to become a disciple by saying in Hebrew,
lech ACHRAI come follow me, And that's what he said
to Peter. But now Peter's like saying, you know, I'm
not the right guy. I think there's probably better choice.
He goes back up to Galilee, and so Jonathan and
I went back up to Galilee on the Sea of Galilee,
and we went right to that place where Jesus shows up.
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And Peter is with some of the other disciples fishing
because they're kind of going back, you know, and Jesus
all of a sudden appears and it's around a charcoal fire,
just like at Caiaphas's house, denied him around a charcoal fire.
And then Jesus pulls Peter out and says, do you
love me more than these? He says, Lord, yeah, I
(13:10):
love you. Feed my sheep again, you love me? Feed
my sheep a third time? You love me? He gets upset, Lord,
you know everything about me. You know I love you.
Then feed my sheep, tend my lambs, and then he
ends that conversation with Peter. I can just in the series.
I put my hand on Jonathan's shoulder and tell him this.
(13:31):
As I looked at me, I said, ah, come fall,
Yeah you fell, but the calling is still on your life.
And I think that's good news for how many people
who have failed in marriage, they failed in raising their children.
At least they feel that way. They feel like I'm
left over and in Jesus eyes, No, it's always a
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new beginning, and that's what Easter is. It's a new beginning.
It's a new start in your marriage, in your relationship
with people, in your hope for the future. So it's yeah,
when you go there, it kind of comes alive. And
when I brought Jonathan up there on the shores of
the Sea of Gali, you could see in his eyes it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
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We've got more coming up after this. I think about
all of those things that you just said, when you
talk about how Peter felt and how he shied away
from this, and how much that's like us. You know what,
when we read the Bible, it's it is stories of
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earthly people who are people of faith. But we can
continually fail, right, We continually fall back on what we
know here because it's hard and I think that the
message and maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the messages. Look,
this is a journey, and it's a hard journey, and
(16:23):
you only you can keep bringing pulling yourself back. But
Jesus is there. You've got to keep seeking him. He's
never going to stop seeking you. He will never stop
seeking you. But it is it's hard because I think
about all of the different factors, all of the different
outside worldly pressures. Because they followed this man when people
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were going, oh my goodness, he's not talking about the law.
He's going against what we learned. He's not following the
Old Testament, he's not following what Moses said. You know,
this is all of this stuff is different, and we can't.
We've got to get away from this guy. And then
the disciples were like, no, there's something here. We're going
to follow him. And then you go through the crucifixion
(17:08):
and you've got to be like all of the worldly
pressures that the people on the outside going told you, yep,
told you it wasn't the Messiah, and then you it
now falls on you alone when Jesus comes back and says,
keep feeding my people, Well, that's on you. You have to
tell the story. Now it is worldly people going out
(17:32):
with faith and with the Holy Spirit and changing hearts
and minds, and that to me is so powerful because
that's you and me.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You know. There's a text
in the Bible says hope deferred makes the heart sick
and in our lives. You know, you think back at
all the times we had great hope about something and
then something happened and hope was deferred. It didn't happen,
and you feel sick about it, you know. And I
think that the disciples probably felt that way when Jesus
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was put into the grave and what was that walk
home like? What was that like? That day of oh
my gosh, what is the last three years meant? You know,
I'm going to get that backed And they must have
felt that way. But the resurrection from the dead overcomes
all of this. And if people are living with this
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idea of a sickness in their heart and their soul
because hope has been deferred, whether in a relationship or
their children or work or whatever it might be, I
think that the resurrection renews all of this hope, because
you know, our hope is not in man, you know,
and our hope is not as Asalma says, not in chariots,
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and it's not in gold and silver or bitcoin or
anything else. Our hope is in God. And I love
this because you know, the Hebrew word, which is also
the anthem for Israel, the national anthem, hot teak va
tik va is hope, the hope. How tikva is that
the hope that we have, we've been given in our heart.
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Hope is not a hope, so you know, and it's
not a projection of the future based on my limited power,
my limited perspective, my limited insight and wisdom. But it's
a look at the future based on His unlimited power
and his unlimited vision in wisdom given to me because
I'm in Christ. And so when I look at a
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problem in my life and I and I think, oh man,
I'm just such a loser, you know, And is this
happening again? And you can change that attitude, and you
can say, Lord, I'm going to hope in you. My
hope is in you. My hope isn't in the market,
you know. My hope, my hope certainly is not in
politics necessarily, you know. And I think that's where a
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lot of people in our country are at right now,
is that we have lived for a long time with
hope in people and the the the the market, in
our life, whether it be politics or Hollywood, or whether
it be you know, the news, these things. People really
relied on it. In the last five to ten years,
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everything has been scrambled a bit and people are like, wow,
what do you know? What do we do? You know?
I'll give you an example of that, Tutor. What was
a few years ago, Father Mike Schmidts and I put
together the Bible in a Year podcast And we did that.
We did that. See, it was in twenty twenty and
we were done by around October January first of twenty one.
(20:35):
We got a call from our producer and said, are
you sitting down, and yeah, it's your number one So
number one?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
What?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Number one?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
And they said it's number one podcast in America. What.
We went on there to app and looked at it
and we had to determine real quickly why why And
we came to the conclusion it's not us. Had we
been given that task of trying to do that, we
wouldn't have done that. We would have tried to be
funny or something, you know. But here's what the deal is.
(21:05):
We believe the Holy Spirit did this. Why because everyone
during the beginning of COVID, they were lonely, they were
without work. Many of them they couldn't get out there.
It was an awful time for a lot of people.
And in the midst of it, it was like the
Lord was saying, Okay, I'm going to come to you
(21:27):
and I'm going to renew your life and I'm going
to give you a plan for living. And that's the only, uh,
that's the only conclusion we can really come to. And
I think we're still in that to a degree. And
so we have this, you know, we put out something
like we did with Jonathan there, and my word, the
response was incredible, just really incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
An access in a way that young people understand better
than sitting down and doing the job on your own
of reading the Bible. You know, it's like there's there's
a new new way of reaching people and that that
was given to you, like this is how you're meant
to do it. And I just I think about what
(22:08):
you said about hope and the need for hope, and
I think that's what we've seen in this country for years,
and that's why that the environ the political environment, has
become so toxic because there's a blame of who, you know,
whose fault is it? And where do we put place
our hope? And there has been a decline in the
(22:33):
past ten years of people in the church. We now,
like I said, we're seeing that steady off and that
maybe even increasing a bit. And I believe that's because
you know, they went around and they talked to young
people in this new generation and they said, you know,
what do you need? And years ago I was in
a group where this woman said, we find that our
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students who are joining these different groups keep telling us
that they're I want to be a part of something bigger.
So I become an activist and I go out then
I fight for a cause. And it's not a cause
they believe in necessarily, it's something that they feel like
they're a part of something bigger than themselves. And they said,
you know, we're pushing them back to the church. There
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is a way to be a part of something bigger
than yourself. They push them back to the church. And
these young people have come in back to the church
and even sometimes sought out Latin masses because they've said,
you know, I want to really, really feel that closeness
to God and that feeling of the Scripture and feeling
of God's word on me and how that changes my life.
(23:39):
And you're talking about this pilgrimage being life changing, and
I just think it's so neat to watch how one
app has brought so many people. Even if you were
a church person, it's brought unchurched, it's brought church to people.
But bringing you to that closer relationship with God is
just so critical to getting through all these things. And
(24:02):
then I think, honestly, we wouldn't have this fear of oh,
my candidate's not here, my politicians not the one and
what's going to happen. God's got this.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think you really
nailed it. And when you talk about where young people
are at today, because my wife and I we've watched
the evening news, we see these protests for whatever reason.
I mean, there's people that are sincere, and there always is,
but we looked at it over and over and over
and I said to my wife, I said, they don't
believe in this, they're not even aware of really what
(24:36):
the subject is, but they want to become a part
of something that rises up and there's change, and there's
purpose and so forth. And I get that. And what
I would say to them is there is a purpose,
and there is change, and there is someone to follow
and to fight for, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ,
(24:57):
who is some people say, a revolution, you know, and
he's the one that stood up against the norm, and
he's the one that said to love your enemies, and
and so the I think that the more difficult you
make Christianity in some ways, young people are like, that's
for me. I'm going to do that, you know, And
and they want to follow this radical guy, and I'm
going to lay down my life even if i have
(25:18):
to die. I'll die for you, kind of like Peter,
you know, Lord, I'll die for you. And Jesus, hmmm, No,
you're gonna You're gonna deny me before the cock crows
three times, you know, deny me three times. So I
think I think that, uh, you're You're exactly right when
you look at the young people out there, and you
can see I think I know you. That's what you
(25:39):
and I are saying, kind of, you know, tutor, looking
at them, I think I know you. I think I
know what you're searching for Come here, I've got something
for you. It's gonna blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's been kind of neat to see celebrities get involved
in this because I think that that is another group
that young people tend to go. I'll put my hope
in you all follow you. I think that something you're
doing is impressive. And to see them kind of step
out and be like, it's not about me. Yeah, And
that's gotten some pushback too. I think it was Gwen
(26:10):
Stefani who came out over Christmas and was talking about
the Hollow app and she got a lot of pushback
on us, like whoa what is this? And I think,
you know, when you're in that position, all the pushback
is fine if you save one.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know the purpose of the app is
not to gather together a bunch of speakers and singers
who have their life completely one hundred percent totally put together.
That is not the purpose. The purpose is to glorify Jesus,
to proclaim the Gospel in a way that people can understand.
And we do realize that along the way, there are
(26:50):
a lot of people who are at different places on
this journey, and there is nothing wrong with me walking
with one or two and saying how are you doing,
you know, and how are you relating to God in
your life, all the while keeping what we call that orthodoxy,
you know, their center stage. And so yeah, there are
(27:12):
people who join us, you know, Lauren Daggel and Chris
Pratt and Mark Wahlberg, and these are people who are
actively you know, growing and trying to pursue their relationship
with the Lord. You know, Tutor, the one thing we
don't want to do is we don't want to project
this idea that if you're going to hang with me
(27:32):
or us, you got to have it together, you know.
And we're not putting people on there like they're doctors
of the Church, your great saints from the old These
are people like you and me, you know. And the
truth is that if people knew all about any of us,
we probably would not be invited to the party.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You know. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue
next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I saw a post
on social media today and I don't know if it
was true, but it was a good a good example
of what we tend to do. It was this story
of a bishop who had a woman and her young
(28:11):
child come into the church, and she wasn't dressed the
way the people expected her to be dressed. So people
that worked at the church ushered her out, and the
bishop said to them, you'll pray for her every day
for the rest of your life, because there's a chance
that she will never walk into a church again. And
I want to make sure that we don't chase people off,
that everybody is welcome. Yes, And I just think so
(28:33):
often that is the case. It's like, oh, you don't
really fit here, You're not really right, and we have
to remember we don't really fit here. Yeah, yeah, we're
never good enough. And yet he always welcomes us.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, and he's always saying, you know, come with me.
I don't see Jesus at any point saying you you
and you please stay.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Back a little bit right right right.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I've got reputation, i have a social media platform, I've
got a book deal. It's about to be please please.
He'd say, bring the children to me. Bring them and
what do the what do disciples do? They tried to
push them back, who wha, whoa? Give the superstars some
rome here. No, he said, bring them to me, bring
them to me. And I think that that's that's I
(29:20):
believe the heart of Jesus, and that's the way I
want to be, you know, And anybody that I can
bring to the walk with the Lord, I'm going to
do it because I know that here's the here's the
interesting thing. I'll share this with you. You get you'll
get a kick out of this. I think when uhhen
Zachias down in Jericho, he's he's chief tax collector. That
means he's he's hated by all the Jews. He's got
(29:42):
he's the chief. He has underlings that are tax collectors.
He has a fine home and everything. He has ripped
people off. He has cheated people, you know. And when
they see him coming to Jericho to do what he
wants to see Jesus, he's you know, he gets up
in the sycamore tree and he looks down he sees Jesus,
and and Jesus looks up at him and says, you
(30:02):
come on now, I'm going to have dinner at your house.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
They go crazy nuts.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
If he knew who that was, yeah, he wouldn't have
them over for dinner. Does you know what that says?
Something about his discernment. You know, he is so if
he knew who that was. He'd never he would invite us,
the Pharisees, you know, the scribes, we would be going
to dinner. But here's the deal. They got ripped off
of a lot of money. The only way that they're
ever going to get back that money. And they're probably saying,
(30:30):
you know you owe me, you ripped me off, you
owe me. I wish I could take you to court,
you know. But the only way they're going to get
that money back is if Zechias has dinner with Jesus.
And when Zechiez gets together with Jesus, his whole heart
melts and he says, I'm going to give I'm going
to give everything back to them in fourfold. And that's
what happens when we invite the tax collectors and the
(30:53):
chief priests to come into this intimate dinner with Jesus,
and Jesus changes their heart and then that that that
high priest turns around says, you know all of you
that I know, I know I've done you wrong, and
I know you've hated me all this time. I know it.
I'm giving four fold back this guy, Jesus, that you
allowed me to come into the city and view he's
changed my life. Yeah, earlier about the lady with the dressing,
(31:19):
you know, addressing what would happen if they had taken
Jesus and just thrown them out of the city Zechias.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
And it's such so interesting at a time when we
see people like looking at at somebody in their political
party and saying, you talked to this person. You can't
be a part of this group anymore. You can't, you
can't be here. We've got to push you out. You're
not acceptable. You crossed the line. This is an exclusive group.
And yet Jesus didn't have an exclusive group. It wasn't
(31:49):
an exclusive club with Jesus. It was open to all.
And you think that you you think so many people
look at Christianity as an exclusive group, but it's not.
And that was why we have That's why Jesus came,
That's why he sent, God, sent his only son. It
was to say it's not exclusive. It's here for all
(32:09):
of you. I'm coming to you to show you that
it's here for all of you. And I just I
think that's so amazing. And this weekend is always that
weekend where you feel like he did it for me
and I didn't deserve it. I don't know why he
did it for me, and I think there is guilt
in this weekend, and probably a good guilt, because that's
that convicting guilt that on Sunday means we all get
(32:31):
to say, at Sunday came, Sunday is here, he has
risen and we get to rejoice in that. But before
I let you go, I know I'm keeping you a
little long, but let me ask you to just one
more time. Tell people where they can get this, because
I know I want my girls to walk that walk,
and so people understand they actually get to see you
(32:54):
walk this walk?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Correct, Yes? With Jonathan? Yeah, I mean Jonathan's really the
I think the folk of this is his experience because
he's going to be filming in the weeks ahead now
those scenes for the Chosen. And you know, people can
go to you can download the Hello app and you
can register that way. They do have a seven seven
(33:16):
days free which is perfect for this, and if you
want to get I think it's three months to check,
but I think it's three months. You can go to
Hello dot com forward slash Jeff Caven's my my name
and they'll give you three months free on that. But
you can get it. You can download it and you
can begin watching right now, and you can pick up
(33:37):
the whole week. You can go back and watch him
as well, and it's really a great tool. You mentioned it.
You're spot on for children because when children say that's
the Garden of that's the Garden of gossemone and a
boy that looks like Jesus, well that's Jonathan, but he
plays Jesus.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So yeah, that's what I always say. I'm a very
I'm a visual person and I know my kids are
visual people. And I think we all sit down and
we read those stories and we read those stories together
as a family. But to put the visual with it,
to see that, that's so much more powerful. And that's
why I think it's so important people go to Hollow
download the app you just heard. You can get three
(34:17):
months free, So why would you not do it? Go there?
And really, I think that you have to understand that
the reason people like you are out there doing this
for the folks listening is because we want you to
have that hope. The hope that you talked about. It's
just it's having gone through cancer, losing my dad to cancer,
just all the things that you go through as a parent,
(34:40):
all the struggles you go through. I don't know how
I would have done it without Jesus.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I'm with you on that tutor. I just October.
Last October my dad died, and then March first to
this year, my mom died. And I know what you're
saying is that is that there's something different about you
and there's something different about me morning because we have
this relationship with Jesus, there's even our mourning is different,
(35:06):
and our hope is even in.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
That because it's we're separated for a time. I mean,
it's just like when I think about him at that dinner,
looking at all of them and the difference between what
they were going through at that dinner and the knowledge
that he had at that dinner. I leave them tomorrow.
I am separated for a time. That is the same
(35:27):
feeling I had when I lost my dad. We're separated
for a time. I'm so blessed that I get to
see you again. And I think that's the if that
doesn't sell you, I mean, that's the hope that you
have in Jesus, is that you get to have eternal
life in him because he has given his life for us.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Amanda that I totally agree with you, totally agree.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, thank you, thank you, and happy Easter coming up.
Thank you so much. Jeff Cavens, like you said, go
to the Hallow app for sure. Thanks for being on today.
Thank you, Thank you all for joining us on the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this podcast and others, go to
Tutor Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time.
(36:10):
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