May 9, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan Patrick discusses fallout from the Knicks and Pacers series in the NBA, particularly with Rick Carlisle and his comment about small market teams and officiating. Nikola Jokić wins his third NBA MVP award and Dan thinks he might not win another because of it. Plus, are fights in the NHL getting too scripted?
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Cavaliers Celtics Game two, Mavericks at the Thunder Game two,
big headline, the Knicks come back beat, the Pacers go
up two to oh. Now the series heads to Indiana.
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The Cavs getting thirteen and a half against the Celtics
and the MAVs are getting five against Oklahoma City. Back
to the Knicks performance last night, the Knicks didn't know
if they were gonna have Jalen Brunson, certainly second half.
He came out for right after halftime, and all of
a sudden, the crowd so the building is half empty
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because everybody's out in the concourse probably talking about, you know,
we're gonna lose this game. We're down by double digits.
Brunson got hurt second quarter, and all of a sudden
people started to realize that Jalen Brunson had come out
to warm up for the second half. Now, this on
the anniversary of Willis Reid coming out for Game seven
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against the Lakers, not the same that was Game seven
of the NBA Finals in nineteen seventy. But Willis hobbling
out to start that game against Wilt Chamberlain and the
Lakers hit a couple of buckets and that was it
from Willis. This was a whole lot different. Here's Jalen
Brunson talking about the fans reaction.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
This place has been nothing but special for me, so
I appreciate everything they do. That was really cool to hear.
But I just knew how to get my mind in
the right place to figure out how I was going
to attack the second half.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And I'm not sure how he hurt his foot. I
don't know if he knows how he hurt his foot,
but you could tell that there was some discomfort there
and that he needed to come out of the game. Also,
og he is, I don't know if he's going to
play in Game three hamstring injury. He was playing wonderful,
but this is almost a game of attrition for the
Knicks that Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You've got to be tough to play for him.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You got to want to play defense, and you got
to want to play a lot of minutes. You're going
to play hurt and the Knicks are paying the price
for this. Josh Hart plays every minute he plays every second.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
They have about six players.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That they play that they can count on, and how
long can you continue to do this? So Og you
know his hamstring and I don't know, we don't know
the severity of that, but it looked bad. Then you
got Brunson with his foot injury, and you're asking these
guys to play every minute of every game. And now
the series shifting back to Indianapolis. Now you can win
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this series against Indiana, but this style of play, playing
this many minutes against a Boston Celtic team in the
next round, it just won't work. But they're kind of
rolling the dice and Timms is saying, let's play as
hard as we can, as long as we can. But
they are paying the price. Here is Rick Carlyle not
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pleased with how the officiating went last night. And they've
already submitted some video clips from last night's game and
Game one to the league office.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
After Game one, we always go through the film and
games where it felt like, you know, the whistles weren't balanced,
and we pulled the clips and there's a there's a
way you can submit them to the to the MDA office.
There were twenty nine plays in game one that we
thought were clearly called the wrong way. I decided not
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to submit them because I just felt like, you know,
we get a more balanced whistle tonight. It didn't feel
that way. I can promise you that we're gonna submit
these tonight. New York can get ready. They'll see them too.
You know, I'm always talking to our guys about not
making it about the officials, but you know, we just
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we deserve a fair shot.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, ok Now, they didn't shoot at least sixty percent
from the line. I think they shot fifty seven or
fifty eight percent. That would have helped your cause. Here
you blew a halftime lead again, and you know that
came back to haunt you as well. Haliburton played really well,
didn't play well in game one, played well in game two.
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But the Knicks, I mean the Pacers. How about some
defense here? You gave up one hundred and thirty points.
It's the most points the Knicks have scored in a
playoff game since nineteen ninety. So there's also mitigating circumstances
as to why you're down two. Are there calls that
went against you that were bad calls?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And I said the NBA loves to tell you, hey,
we're going to look at the last two minutes and
we're going to give you a full transparency, and then
you realize the number of calls. So, according to Brian
Winhors this morning, the Pacers singled out I believe forty
nine plays last night, twenty nine in game one. So
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we're talking almost eighty plays in two games that the
Pacers have a problem with. Let's say benefit of the doubt.
Half of those calls are bad calls. So that's forty calls.
You want to give me full transparency, Give me full transparency. Oh,
I know, you got to go back. And we had
Steve Javiy, the former referee on yesterday. Well you got
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to go back and you know every single play, Well,
that's what Indiana's doing. They're going back and saying that's
a bad call, that's a bad call, that's a questionable call.
There was a play last night Josh hart pushes Tyree's
Halliburton in the back blatant and of course Halliburton has
been bothered by back spasms.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
No call.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
There was also a double dribble call on Isaiah Hartenstein,
and this is what Rick Carlisle had to say about that.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
One guy just said he didn't ad dribble, But it
looked to me like, you know, Tims went out there
and argued and they changed it. That's what it looked like.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
So I can only go by what I see. What
I what I saw, and you know that's that's that's
small beings compared to everything else. You know, you know,
small market teams deserve an equal shot. They deserve they
deserve a fair shot, no matter where, no matter where
they're playing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay, he wasn't going to be fined until the last
seven seconds of what he just said, and that is
I'm going to feed into the narrative of the small
market team. That's where he's going to get fined, because
it's us against the world. If I'm Commissioner Silver, I
would say to Rick Carlisle, Hey, Rick, tell me when
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the big market teams have benefited. Let's say the last
seven years, none of them have won the lottery. Who's
winning championships? And and your big market team won a
title in the bubble in Orlando with the Lakers, like,
look around, Lakers aren't there, Clippers aren't there, Philadelphia's not there.
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Chicago had a team meeting after game one this regular season.
They're not there. They haven't been good since Jordan left.
When you say small market, boy, that's when the commissioner
is probably going to come down pretty hard on Rick,
even though there are some objectionable calls there or non
calls there. But when you do the small market now,
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we feed the Knicks haven't done anything in decades. Now
is when you're going to say, hey, let's help them out.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
The Knicks are a rootable team. You can root for
the Knicks the way they play, the style they play.
But it's and also the novelty. It's been so long,
But I don't think that the officials are going, golly man,
we're in the garden and the Knicks are playing, well,
let's give them some calls here. I don't think that
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that's happening. And to say that this is a small
market team versus a big market team, yes, Indianapolis versus
New York City. But tell me the other big name markets,
big city, you know, towns that are benefiting here in
the NBA. If anything, the NBA needs to accommodate the
bigger markets. That would make more sense business wise, But
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that's not happening. These teams are winning titles. Toronto won
a title, Minnesotas may win a title this year. Oklahoma
City may win a title this year. These are smaller
market teams. So I think that's a dangerous one to
go down now. Once again, I said this yesterday. If
David Stern was still the commissioner, Jamal Murray would have
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been kicked out of at least one game here. You know,
Commissioner Silver is a more player friendly commissioner. But this,
if David Stern was the commissioner, Rick Carlisle might already
be fine for saying the small market because that drove
Commissioner Stern create because we're not placating somebody the best
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teams wherever they are. You know, this isn't the eighties
with you know, Magic and Larry and It's Boston in
La the NBA, they pretty much balances it itself. The
big market teams haven't been good, consistently good. And I
don't think Indiana and Rick Carlile can say, hey, it's
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it's us against the rest of the NBA. I don't
think that's the case, but I do think that's going
to costume some money. Yeah, Pauling, I think you're right.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
Well, I think it's fair to say that we don't
know if the league has ever initiated the refs to
go for a big market team. But Rick Carlile's playing
to the rest of the country. You know, twenty six,
twenty seven teams and their fan bases who think that
the league is favoring the Lakers or the Knicks or yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But how does that help this situation. It doesn't matter
what we feel.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
I know, but I think Rick Carlisle is looking towards
Games three, four, and five, well, the old Phil Jackson move.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
But you if you want to get the attention of
the officials, I don't think you say, hey, you're leaning
towards the Knicks because they're a big market team. That
if I'm the official, I'd be like, am i going
to all of a sudden, go well, I'm going to
show you, Rick, We're going to give you some calls
in Indianapolis. Indiana will benefit with the series being back
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in Indiana, Guaranteed they will.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
There'll be a different team, guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Happens all the time where you'll watch a game and
you go, oh my god, they got no chance, and
then all of a sudden, you go, oh, they're going
to win this series, and Indiana can still win this series.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think that's why Rick Carlisle did what he did.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
If he felt like he couldn't win this series, then
I don't know if he'd go through this whole process here.
I think he still feels like, Hey, we're going to
come back and we're going to take these next two games.
He also knows that Brunson got banged up a little
bit and Og might not be able to play. Now
they don't have depth. We have it will momentum. We
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can still win this series. Now, you want to bring
up the smaller market. I don't think an official is
going to go or the officiating crew is gonna all
of a sudden get together and go, uh, hey, are
we doing a disservice to Indiana.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah. I do get the idea.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, well, coaches have been playing that game in the
media forever to try and get better calls in future games. Right,
that's nothing new, But I do get if you're a
team like Indiana, and the whole storyline about this series
is the magic of Madison Square.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Garden is back.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
The Garden is rocking because the Knicks are back, and
we finally got a good Knicks team. And then you
go in there and you're like, man, they blew like
thirty calls tonight, in another fifty the night before or whatever.
They're like, you know what, I think we're getting screwed.
And I think that the refs maybe are buying a
little too much into the magic of the Garden being back.
I get somebody feeling that way.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But what happens if Indiana gets all these calls when
it goes back to Indiana?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And yeah, then things would be the home team usually
gets the calls. That's probably not anything new either.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right, No, no, this happens, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I've only been covering the NBA up close or
at least on the periffery for over forty years.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
You see this.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Phil Jackson was in Chicago in LA big markets. He
complained all the time about the officiating. And it wasn't
a hey what about the small market team. It wasn't
the coaches are going to complain. Now, Rick Carlisle can
single out all these plays? How many plays could the
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Knicks single out as well? And was there a double
dribble called? And then it shouldn't have been called. Yes,
I think it was the right call to not call
it a double dribble. And then Rick Carlisle got tossed
soon after that when he realized they weren't going to win.
And maybe that's one of those Hey, I'm going to
fight for us until we get back home.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Take matters into your own hands. You had a chance.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Brunson was banged up, Og didn't play left after you know,
in the third quarter, win you had a chance to
win the game.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Make your free throws.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, sometimes the officials feel like they're calling everything for
the opposition.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
This is a Nick team that doesn't have any depth.
They don't have Mitchell Robinson in there. Julius Randall's not
in there. Which leads me to when we talk about MVPs,
as we look at what happened during the regular season
and in the postseason, and you're not supposed to factor
in MVP of the what you do in the postseason
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with the end results of the regular season. As Joker
wins his third and four years, Jalen Brunson is as valuable,
if not more so, to his team than anybody else
in the league. Playing simple bottom line, Now, that doesn't mean,
they're going to win a title. But if you take
him away from that team, what do you have? Shay
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gilgis wonderful player, Luca wonderful player. I mean, uh ant
Man great players. Is there anybody more valuable than Jalen
Brunson And I'm going to say no. And we'll talk
about Joker because he's now gotten into a category that
might be a compliment to him. But I don't think
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he wins another MVP the rest of his career. Then
I'll tell you why after this.
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Brunson left wing, guarded by Nemhart, right handed dribbled crosses
over a couple of times, pulls up straight on three pointers.
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Twenty four of his twenty nine came in the second half,
returning from that right foot injury that knocked him out
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Larry in Illinois, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Larry?
Speaker 10 (17:04):
Yeah, listen to you guys. You know right here this
morning talked about you know, Indiana. You know, Rick Carlisle
getting kicked out in One of his complaints was the
double dribble. And you watch NBA and I don't watch
it enough but I mean the travel the carry, the
double dribble. I mean I heard you just the day
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ago talking to that official. You know that this stuff
doesn't get called at all. I mean they had the
name of the euro Step just to get traveling an excuse.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Thank you, Larry.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I didn't think it was a double dribble on Hartenstein
because I watched it and then you know, Reggie Miller
even calling saying, wait, I don't know what what are
they calling?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Was that unintentional?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And then I looked at it and I realized that
it didn't seem like that was a double dribble. It
was called and they did make the motion of double dribble,
but then Thibodeau came out and then they rescinded that,
and then Rick Carlisle I think went nuclear after that.
Matt in Riverside, Hi, Matt.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
Hey, DP, how's going? Thanks for calling back? A new caller,
long time listener. So ificiate down here in southern California
at the Division two and at the hope that the
division on level and had a lot of friends in
the NBA as far as I concerning, like the calls
and the two minute report after every game. Those guys
do get like a call sheet, whether it's a call
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correct or in call correct. So I think the NBA
just need to do a better job of communicating those
out winning does com And then the last question I
had was about relegation. How many times can someone or
front room guys and back room guys get relegated or promoted.
I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right, nobody's getting relegated. We were joking around yesterday
with Todd being relegated. Not gonna happen. This is this
is my team.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It seemed a little serious at times. I know it
wasn't you thought it was? Did you contested plan? Did
you take that? I know after twenty years, I shouldn't
have called my wife on the ride home in tears.
Speaker 12 (19:16):
I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
You're you're secure in your job right for the most part.
But it was one day. You know, it's one day
at a time.
Speaker 12 (19:23):
One day things look good, the other day not such
a great performance.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Well, no, I know that, But asking me, how would
you grade your.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Day so far?
Speaker 12 (19:30):
Yeah, you're looking to Steve minus C plus.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Well that's when you try too hard.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And then I'm trying to tell you, how would you
grade yourself and then if you say, well, not too good, but.
Speaker 12 (19:39):
That leads to spilkes and nervousness and thoughts of like
where how do I say it here?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know what, if you haven't been fired or replaced,
it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 12 (19:46):
That's good to know.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean there were times, yes, there were, yeah,
but we're pasted on the bubble for yes, you were,
you were on the bubble. Alrighty MVP yesterday, Nicola jokicch
he is your MV. So that's three and four years.
I don't think he wins another MVP in his career now.
It's not because he won't play at a really high level.
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He should take it as a compliment because Lebron hasn't
won one in what twelve years at well, at one
point they stopped giving it to Jordan, They gave it
to Carl Malone, they gave it to Charles Barkley, and
it's almost like and not that they didn't have great seasons,
but I voted for Jordan every year because I said,
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the bottom line is he'll win championships.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Like the value was there every single year.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Maybe not numbers wise, but I and maybe that's not
fair to everybody else. But I did vote for Jordan
to win the MVP because I knew that he was
going to win a championship. Now, Charles Barkley played for
a title, Carl Malone played for a title, Mike was
winning titles, and maybe that's not you know in the
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guidelines of how you vote, But for me, I couldn't
vote for somebody else being more valuable. Jordan was the
most valuable player for the entire league, for every team
because when he came to town, you were selling out.
People wanted to see, so his value was more than
just here are my numbers. Financially, he was the most
valuable player. But you know, Lebron, to me, it's pretty
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hard to go as many years as he's gone without
winning an MVP. What was it twenty twelve the last
time that he won an MVP Marvin twenty thirteen, twenty thirteen. Okay,
so it's been over a decade since he's won the MVP.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
Yes, Marv Lebron, Jerry West, and Larry Bird have each
finished second place four different times.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, well, I think it got to the point with
Bird where he won three in a row that then
they moved on from him and maybe with Jerry West
not winning, how many MVPs did Jerry have? Did he
have one? Efforting Yeah, But you know, you get to
a certain point. We've written the story about Joker. I
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don't know if they're going to win another title. He's
twenty nine. I don't know if he wins another MVP,
and it won't be because he's not averaging twenty seven,
ten and ten you're looking for. Here's Shay Gilgis who
finished second. I'd love to know the voters who watched
how many Thunder games did you watch? I'd love to
know Anthony Edwards, come on down now, you're on a
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big stage.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Uh, Luca.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Luca's getting into that Jalen Brunts or Jason Tatum, where
if you're not going to win it, you're not going
to win it because you know the younger guys. But
it does feel like with Joker, and Shaq even said
this after the voting last night on TNT, I don't
like to.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Run on people's parade, but I'm not happy with this one.
Graduations a Joker, You're not the best bet big man
in the league. But based on everybody's criteria, my criteria
sts that's stuffer, you guys, criteria number one seed, which
team man, it's a better record. I felt Shay Alexander
deserved it because I've been I've been number two a
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lot when I played my ass off. And again, no
disrespect to the Joker. Best big man in the league
by far. You could have went this way, but I
thought Shay Gill Alexander was gonna win it by far.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, first of all, I don't know why Shack's making
it about Shack. If you just want to say Shay
Gil just got my vote, fine and here's why. Fine,
But you can't say the Joker is a stat stuffer?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Aside from Steve Nash, is there a more selfless MVP
than him? Pass first MVP if he wanted to stuff
his stats. Just imagine what he could do. He's getting
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those numbers and he's shooting, you know, sixteen shots a game.
There were nineteen other players who averaged more shots than he.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Did this year during the riginal season. That's a good
one though.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, So Shack's wrong, and I don't even know what
he's saying with you know, your stuffing your stats, He's
not how many games did Shaq Watt Games of Shay Gilgess,
wonderful player. He was first Team All NBA last year,
so it's not a surprise. He's less of a surprise
than Anthony Edwards is. Shay Gilgess was first team All NBA.
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He finished his second Okay, now he's going to get
his opportunity. Luca finished third, Jannis finished fourth. I don't
know how Jannis finishes fourth over Jalen Brunson. I just
don't know. And now we're looking at Brunson's value. There
is nobody more valuable to their team. It doesn't mean
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that they're going to win a title, but next year
might be his year.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But then they're not the novelty. Now we're going to
be focusing on that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But if you said, all of these players like Jason Tatum,
Anthony Edwards is in there, but you know Joker deserved it,
Joker could have won four because you can make a
case that without a late season publicity push by Kendrick
Perkins in the Mothership to get Joel Embiid, the MVP
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who played well, the reason why Joker didn't win it
that previous year was because we said the following, well,
what's he done? In the postseason. What's Joel Embiid done
in the postseason? You get to a conference championship, Now
you win a title. That's when I said, Okay, Now
they can't you know, hold this against Joker. Well here
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they are saying he was, you know, stuffing his stats.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Here he's the least you know, that's the guy. I
don't go. Man, he's just out there putting up numbers.
He doesn't shoot.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Nineteen other players take more shots than he does, so
he's not going to win another MVP. But I would
take that as Wow, that's a compliment because there's some
other players that had happened to Now you've taken him
off the board. I truly feel that, and it might
be the biggest compliment that you can give him.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Is all right, we saw it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
In a span of four years, he changed his place
in basketball history. How many guys have done that? Four years,
three MVPs and a title. We don't know what's going
to happen this year, but they're down oh two. Now
he's in the top twenty all time, right, just based
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off these four years, three MVPs, NBA title, How many
guys have that on their resume? Guys will have more titles,
not as many MVPs. Now he's in the top twenty
all time, one of the best big men of all time.
And he's not done yet. He's only twenty nine. I mean,
if anything, he'll get bored and then he'll stop playing.
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I mean, he'll play two more three more years, and
he might go I'm out, and nobody's gonna be surprised.
I am out. That'll be it be done now. Shay
Gil just wonderful player. I will continue to say that
because I watched him, watched him become first team All NBA.
Can anybody name anybody else on Oklahoma City aside from
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Ched Holmgren. If you watch, you realize they have a
really good team. Well it's sometimes we look at the
team and you go, oh, okay, I don't know anybody else. Man,
that guy must be really good.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Yes, yes, Mark, I can name two guys from the
Thunder with the same name, two guys bloom I bloop myself.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yes, Todd go that giddy guy, don't. Yes, they do
very very giddy lou Dort. Yeah, but you know it's
not a second team, and you go, wow, they had
a great record. Well, he's got to be the MVP. Okay,
whatever your They don't tell you how to vote. In
all the years that I voted for MVP, nobody ever said, hey,
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you got a factor in this, or why are you
factoring in that. I got singled out in a newspaper
in Arizona and a newspaper in Salt Lake City because
I didn't vote for Karl Malone and I didn't vote
for Charles Barklay. And I said, because Michael will win
the title and he did value, But also I look
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at Jalen Brunson, They're not going to win the title.
But if I look at pure value to eighteen, every
single night, if Jason Jalen Brunson doesn't go, they don't go.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Plain and simple.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Jason Tatum can have an off night, Joker can have
an off night, Luca can have an off night, Giannis
can have an off night. Shay Gil just can have
an off night. Brunson cannot have an off night. There's
no Julius Randall. You got guys that people didn't think
could start in the league, and Dante DiVincenzo and Josh Hart.
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Jalen Brunson is more valuable to his team than anybody
else yes, Mark.
Speaker 12 (29:19):
Going into next season, Anthony Edwards and Jalen Brunston, do
you think they'll get a lot a bigger push for
League MVP especially you see how this is?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yes, Okay, Jerry West never won League MVP, so Logo
never won.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Uh boy?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Uh Charlie and Tampa, Hi Charlie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 13 (29:43):
Good morning, Dan and Danett's I'm a long time say
I love you.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
You're amazing.
Speaker 13 (29:47):
Your show is amazing.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Tom.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
I'm called because I am forty four years old. I
grew up in New York City. Michael Jordan ruined my
childhood and Tom Brady ruined teams and twenties. I am
calling because you brought up a point, a really good
point just now, Dan, and it just really inspired me
to call right away to what Joker has done with
these three MVP's and could have been four, like you said,
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is just absolutely outstanding. It's probably like just a one
of its kind.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Would you agree? It's amazing?
Speaker 13 (30:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
You know, growing up, I thought Michael Jordan was the
greatest player of all time and what he did six titles.
You know, if you went and played baseball, he changed
the world. He's Mike, and I never ever would allow
myself to compare Lebron to Michael because what they've done
is very different. Three titles with three different franchises. Having
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brought that up and tying it all together. What Lebron
is done with the number of MVPs he's won, what
he's done in the league and his place in the
league winning titles. When I compare to what Joker has
done and how you drew so easily and casually threw
Joker in.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
The top twenty all time, and I.
Speaker 13 (31:07):
Agree with you, it makes me think what Lebron has
done is the best besketball accomplishment of all times as
a career.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yes, but I'm not getting into Jordan versus Lebron, not today.
I've said this was the question I would always ask,
and that is, if I could give you Lebron for
twenty one seasons or twenty two seasons, or I can
give you Michael for fifteen Let's say you're an owner,
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who do you want? And you know what their resumes
are right in front of you. I got seven more
years with Lebron playing at a high level every single
night for me, not the same titles, number of titles
MVPs fan following must see TV as you had with
Mike and the Bulls. But you can make an argument
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that way because statistically Lebron's the greatest player of all time.
But I don't want to get into that argument, not today.
I mean, we're talking about value, but I'm talking about
players who are playing now their value. Let me see
Prab in Orange County. Hi, Prab, what honeymoon?
Speaker 10 (32:23):
Hey Dan, thanks for calling.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
You're welcome, longtime listeners, first time callers.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
It's my son Sahib sixteenth birthday today.
Speaker 11 (32:32):
Him and I listen to you every morning when I'm
dropping him off to school. So I just wanted to
see if you guys could wish saw him a happy.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
Birthday, and if you have, he's my first of three boys.
If you have any tips on teaching.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
These kids how to drive, oh oh my goodness. First
of all, how about a round of happy birthday?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Birthday?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, I would go to a school parking lot and
I would make sure that the car I had when
my daughter we're learning to drive my son as well,
but my daughter's where if we found a way to
actually bump into a garbage can or you know whatever
it might be that that we were okay, Paul's going
through this now with his oldest daughter. But you just
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have to have confidence in them. You have to let
them know you have confidence. You can't get in the
car and all of a sudden quickly buckle your seat
belt like you casually buckle your seat belt and you
relax and you say, hey, let's not have the radio on.
Let's let's get a little more comfortable here and then
talk to me through everything you're going through. But if
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you get in and you're gonna white claw it, you know,
knuckle it, and you're like, you know, close your eyes,
then they don't have confidence. But you're like, hey, we
can do this. Let's let's just take it slow and
have a little bit of fun. And it went okay
for me. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I didn't have any like now.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I would be out on the road with them occasionally
and I'd say, uh.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Blinker blink blinker blinkerk.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Blinker stop stop stop stop, and they're like, Dad, you
can't yell at me. I said, I can yell at you,
because if not, then I'm gonna get yelled at by
that motorists.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Because we're gonna hit him.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay, okay, And then I was like, why am I
getting yelled at? But I would say patience, patience and
give them a little bit of confidence. Just it might
be fake, but just a little bit of confidence that hey,
this is gonna be fun today. It's okay, We're gonna
make some mistakes. Nobody's gonna get hurt. You know, Let's
just just.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Go through this together.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Let's take a break. We will get more phone calls
coming up. Why did Babe Ruth he won one MVP
in his career, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, one MVP.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
I just double checked it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
He finished tenth one year on voting and I think
he hit three seventy seven with fifty home runs.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
What Fritzy get a hold to Tim Kirkshif you just
did Tim Kirschen's voice, you did.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
You know?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Have one every bay. I gotta ask Tim Kirchin about this.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Now that we're on the topic of m v p s,
PAULI brought this up to me yesterday, goes, Babe.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Ruth didn't win any m v P s. He got
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Speaker 4 (36:42):
It's always interesting when you see a fight.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Now in the National Hockey League, so there was a
fight between the Panthers and the Bruins. Kachuck was in
there and Pasta Pasternak, yes, and and they it's almost
like you're kind of arranged fight. Hey, coach, I'm gonna
go out and fight him, okay, all right, And he did.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
He actually said that to him.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He's like telling his coach he's gonna go out and uh,
he's gonna fight Ku Chuck.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And then they sort of wait.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
And then everybody knows it's gonna happen, and uh, they
just go out. It's like recess, when something happens before
you go out to recess, and you're like, hey, when
we go out to recess, I'm gonna I'm gonna kick
your butt. Oh yeah, And then all of a sudden,
everybody goes, ooh, you're dead outside at three o'clock. And
then you go outside and then all of a sudden
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it's recessed. Everybody gathers around, and then all of a sudden,
you're watching it. You go, okay, you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready,
all right. I mean there's no sucker punch, no, nothing
like sneaking up on somebody.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
It's basically you good.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm good, all right, ready okay, boom, and then
Ku Chuck knocks his helmet off.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I'm like, you were ready for this, but you weren't
ready for this. Yes, I get I don't know anything
about hockey. I'm not a hockey player. I don't even
have hockey fans in my entire family. I hate the
planned fight. Oh I hate the planned fight. Like if
you guys are playing and somebody gets smashed into the
boards and then it's like, all right, I'm gonna fight
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this guy. I get it, but it's like, hey, you
want to fight, I'll fight.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Okay, have a first shift and then we'll just okay,
let's do it. Everybody clears out and then they're gonna fight.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
To me, a plan fight, it should be like way
worse of a penalty or something like way worse.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Then Hey, do you want to fight right now? Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Well wait, hold on, let me go check with my
coach first. Yeah, okay, okay, and you come back okay, yeah,
we'll do it now.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's almost like you're setting an appointment where you're gonna
go what what what what time?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Second period?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Right around the ten minute mark, coach is that okay,
I'll see you then yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
I was watching Mark Messier and the guys talk about
this yesterday and they say it's like instead of having
cheap shots or having you know, a bad play in
ic can hurt someone's knee or get them really hurt,
they say, like, this is a way, we're gonna quickly
settle this in a professional manner. No cheap shots, no,
you know, backstabbing type plays. And it's the standard procedure
in hockey. We're gonna we're gonna fight. Okay, the refs, no,
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the other teams know. Everyone grabs a person, you do
a quick fight and then the topic is over and
instead of someone on the boards getting concussion, and it's
it's a way they've done. It's like their own police.
I think I'd like it because it's it's it's a
fair and no one gets hurt hurt, but it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But it it kind of lacks the oh my god,
now this is a okay, gonna fight, gonna fight and
and you're you're you're kind of organized in this, whereas
it feels like hockey. It's so fast that all of
a sudden, it's like boom, now we're gonna drop the
gloves instead.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Of Uh, hey, Tommy, you want to fight?
Speaker 12 (39:45):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Uh hey, coach, can I fight Tommy?
Speaker 13 (39:48):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah? Wait wait a minute? Or so, yeah, it's here
is want to fight now? Or should ill hold on?
Let me check my coach?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Here there is, here's Paul Maurice, the Panthers head coach.
They each have their team, and they got their brothers
in the room.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Gets a little spicy out.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
There, and they want to go.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
I think it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I think when it was over they both looked like
they were fine. Sorry whoever was offended by that concept,
I don't care. I thought it was awesome. Well. Also,
it helps that he has Kachuk who won the fight.
Speaker 12 (40:23):
Yes, Martina, when they start out, when he starts skating,
it feels like very put him off, put him up
your dopes.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna clock you.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh, nobody breaks down hockey the way we break down hockey.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
See what's the pole question today? Oh, I'm so glad
that you asked.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Tim Kirkchin is gonna join us and we'll talk about
why Babe Ruth only won one MVP.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Cant see Joe Andrews He ran the bases backwards and
inside the park going.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
On game three in the world two uh uh Pacers
head coach Rick Carlisles from Paulie is saying the refsar
dot dot, inept or biased.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Oh okay, save it, save it all right.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
There's also the topic of how many NBA players could
play in the NFL and vice versa. Ross Tucker wants
to give us his thoughts on that as well. Busy
Hour two coming up, just getting started. More phone calls
as well.
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Speaker 2 (01:29):
The Cavs getting thirteen and a half against the Celtics
and the MAVs are getting five against Oklahoma City. Back
to the Knicks performance last night, the Knicks didn't know
if they were gonna have Jalen Brunson, certainly second half.
He came out for right after halftime, and all of
a sudden, the crowd so the building is half empty
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because everybody's out in the concourse probably talking about, you know,
we're gonna lose this game. We're down by double digits.
Brunson got hurt second quarter, and all of a sudden
people started to realize that Jalen Brunson had come out
to warm up for the second half. Now, this on
the anniversary of Willis Reid coming out for Game seven
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against the Lakers, not the same that was Game seven
of the NBA Finals in nineteen seventy. But Willis hobbling
out to start that game against Wilt Chamberlain and the
Lakers hit a couple of buckets and that was it
from Willis. This was a whole lot different. Here's Jalen
Brunson talking about the fans reaction.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
This place has been nothing but special for me, so
I appreciate everything they do. That was really cool to hear.
But I just knew how to get my mind in
the right place to figure out how I was going
to attack the second half.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And I'm not sure how he hurt his foot. I
don't know if he knows how he hurt his foot,
but you could tell that there was some discomfort there
and that he needed to come out of the game. Also,
og he is, I don't know if he's going to
play in Game three hamstring injury. He was playing wonderful,
but this is almost a game of attrition for the
Knicks that Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You've got to be tough to play for him.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You got to want to play defense, and you got
to want to play a lot of minutes. You're going
to play hurt and the Knicks are paying the price
for this. Josh Hart plays every minute he plays every second.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
They have about six players.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That they play that they can count on, and how
long can you continue to do this? So Og you
know his hamstring and I don't know, we don't know
the severity of that, but it looked bad. Then you
got Brunson with his foot injury, and you're asking these
guys to play every minute of every game. And now
the series shifting back to Indianapolis. Now you can win
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this series against Indiana, but this style of play, playing
this many minutes against a Boston Celtic team in the
next round, it just won't work. But they're kind of
rolling the dice and Timms is saying, let's play as
hard as we can, as long as we can. But
they are paying the price. Here is Rick Carlyle not
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pleased with how the officiating went last night. And they've
already submitted some video clips from last night's game and
Game one to the league office.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
After Game one, we always go through the film and
games where it felt like, you know, the whistles weren't balanced,
and we pulled the clips and there's a there's a
way you can submit them to the to the MDA office.
There were twenty nine plays in game one that we
thought were clearly called the wrong way. I decided not
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to submit them because I just felt like, you know,
we get a more balanced whistle tonight. It didn't feel
that way. I can promise you that we're gonna submit
these tonight. New York can get ready. They'll see them too.
You know, I'm always talking to our guys about not
making it about the officials, but you know, we just
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we deserve a fair shot.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, ok Now, they didn't shoot at least sixty percent
from the line. I think they shot fifty seven or
fifty eight percent. That would have helped your cause. Here
you blew a halftime lead again, and you know that
came back to haunt you as well. Haliburton played really well,
didn't play well in game one, played well in game two.
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But the Knicks, I mean the Pacers. How about some
defense here? You gave up one hundred and thirty points.
It's the most points the Knicks have scored in a
playoff game since nineteen ninety. So there's also mitigating circumstances
as to why you're down two. Are there calls that
went against you that were bad calls?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And I said the NBA loves to tell you, hey,
we're going to look at the last two minutes and
we're going to give you a full transparency, and then
you realize the number of calls. So, according to Brian
Winhors this morning, the Pacers singled out I believe forty
nine plays last night, twenty nine in game one. So
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we're talking almost eighty plays in two games that the
Pacers have a problem with. Let's say benefit of the doubt.
Half of those calls are bad calls. So that's forty calls.
You want to give me full transparency, Give me full transparency. Oh,
I know, you got to go back. And we had
Steve Javiy, the former referee on yesterday. Well you got
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to go back and you know every single play, Well,
that's what Indiana's doing. They're going back and saying that's
a bad call, that's a bad call, that's a questionable call.
There was a play last night Josh hart pushes Tyree's
Halliburton in the back blatant and of course Halliburton has
been bothered by back spasms.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
No call.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
There was also a double dribble call on Isaiah Hartenstein,
and this is what Rick Carlisle had to say about that.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
One guy just said he didn't ad dribble, But it
looked to me like, you know, Tims went out there
and argued and they changed it. That's what it looked like.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
So I can only go by what I see. What
I what I saw, and you know that's that's that's
small beings compared to everything else. You know, you know,
small market teams deserve an equal shot. They deserve they
deserve a fair shot, no matter where, no matter where
they're playing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay, he wasn't going to be fined until the last
seven seconds of what he just said, and that is
I'm going to feed into the narrative of the small
market team. That's where he's going to get fined, because
it's us against the world. If I'm Commissioner Silver, I
would say to Rick Carlisle, Hey, Rick, tell me when
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the big market teams have benefited. Let's say the last
seven years, none of them have won the lottery. Who's
winning championships? And and your big market team won a
title in the bubble in Orlando with the Lakers, like,
look around, Lakers aren't there, Clippers aren't there, Philadelphia's not there.
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Chicago had a team meeting after game one this regular season.
They're not there. They haven't been good since Jordan left.
When you say small market, boy, that's when the commissioner
is probably going to come down pretty hard on Rick,
even though there are some objectionable calls there or non
calls there. But when you do the small market now,
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we feed the Knicks haven't done anything in decades. Now
is when you're going to say, hey, let's help them out.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
The Knicks are a rootable team. You can root for
the Knicks the way they play, the style they play.
But it's and also the novelty. It's been so long,
But I don't think that the officials are going, golly man,
we're in the garden and the Knicks are playing, well,
let's give them some calls here. I don't think that
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that's happening. And to say that this is a small
market team versus a big market team, yes, Indianapolis versus
New York City. But tell me the other big name markets,
big city, you know, towns that are benefiting here in
the NBA. If anything, the NBA needs to accommodate the
bigger markets. That would make more sense business wise, But
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that's not happening. These teams are winning titles. Toronto won
a title, Minnesotas may win a title this year. Oklahoma
City may win a title this year. These are smaller
market teams. So I think that's a dangerous one to
go down now. Once again, I said this yesterday. If
David Stern was still the commissioner, Jamal Murray would have
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been kicked out of at least one game here. You know,
Commissioner Silver is a more player friendly commissioner. But this,
if David Stern was the commissioner, Rick Carlisle might already
be fine for saying the small market because that drove
Commissioner Stern create because we're not placating somebody the best
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teams wherever they are. You know, this isn't the eighties
with you know, Magic and Larry and It's Boston in
La the NBA, they pretty much balances it itself. The
big market teams haven't been good, consistently good. And I
don't think Indiana and Rick Carlile can say, hey, it's
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it's us against the rest of the NBA. I don't
think that's the case, but I do think that's going
to costume some money. Yeah, Pauling, I think you're right.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
Well, I think it's fair to say that we don't
know if the league has ever initiated the refs to
go for a big market team. But Rick Carlile's playing
to the rest of the country. You know, twenty six,
twenty seven teams and their fan bases who think that
the league is favoring the Lakers or the Knicks or yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But how does that help this situation. It doesn't matter
what we feel.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
I know, but I think Rick Carlisle is looking towards
Games three, four, and five, well, the old Phil Jackson move.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
But you if you want to get the attention of
the officials, I don't think you say, hey, you're leaning
towards the Knicks because they're a big market team. That
if I'm the official, I'd be like, am i going
to all of a sudden, go well, I'm going to
show you, Rick, We're going to give you some calls
in Indianapolis. Indiana will benefit with the series being back
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in Indiana, Guaranteed they will.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
There'll be a different team, guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Happens all the time where you'll watch a game and
you go, oh my god, they got no chance, and
then all of a sudden, you go, oh, they're going
to win this series, and Indiana can still win this series.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think that's why Rick Carlisle did what he did.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
If he felt like he couldn't win this series, then
I don't know if he'd go through this whole process here.
I think he still feels like, Hey, we're going to
come back and we're going to take these next two games.
He also knows that Brunson got banged up a little
bit and Og might not be able to play. Now
they don't have depth. We have it will momentum. We
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can still win this series. Now, you want to bring
up the smaller market. I don't think an official is
going to go or the officiating crew is gonna all
of a sudden get together and go, uh, hey, are
we doing a disservice to Indiana.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah. I do get the idea.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, well, coaches have been playing that game in the
media forever to try and get better calls in future games. Right,
that's nothing new, But I do get if you're a
team like Indiana, and the whole storyline about this series
is the magic of Madison Square.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Garden is back.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
The Garden is rocking because the Knicks are back, and
we finally got a good Knicks team. And then you
go in there and you're like, man, they blew like
thirty calls tonight, in another fifty the night before or whatever.
They're like, you know what, I think we're getting screwed.
And I think that the refs maybe are buying a
little too much into the magic of the Garden being back.
I get somebody feeling that way.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But what happens if Indiana gets all these calls when
it goes back to Indiana?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And yeah, then things would be the home team usually
gets the calls. That's probably not anything new either.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right, No, no, this happens, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I've only been covering the NBA up close or
at least on the periffery for over forty years.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
You see this.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Phil Jackson was in Chicago in LA big markets. He
complained all the time about the officiating. And it wasn't
a hey what about the small market team. It wasn't
the coaches are going to complain. Now, Rick Carlisle can
single out all these plays? How many plays could the
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Knicks single out as well? And was there a double
dribble called? And then it shouldn't have been called. Yes,
I think it was the right call to not call
it a double dribble. And then Rick Carlisle got tossed
soon after that when he realized they weren't going to win.
And maybe that's one of those Hey, I'm going to
fight for us until we get back home.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Take matters into your own hands. You had a chance.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Brunson was banged up, Og didn't play left after you know,
in the third quarter, win you had a chance to
win the game.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Make your free throws.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, sometimes the officials feel like they're calling everything for
the opposition.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
This is a Nick team that doesn't have any depth.
They don't have Mitchell Robinson in there. Julius Randall's not
in there. Which leads me to when we talk about MVPs,
as we look at what happened during the regular season
and in the postseason, and you're not supposed to factor
in MVP of the what you do in the postseason
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with the end results of the regular season. As Joker
wins his third and four years, Jalen Brunson is as valuable,
if not more so, to his team than anybody else
in the league. Playing simple bottom line, Now, that doesn't mean,
they're going to win a title. But if you take
him away from that team, what do you have? Shay
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gilgis wonderful player, Luca wonderful player. I mean, uh ant
Man great players. Is there anybody more valuable than Jalen
Brunson And I'm going to say no. And we'll talk
about Joker because he's now gotten into a category that
might be a compliment to him. But I don't think
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he wins another MVP the rest of his career. Then
I'll tell you why after this.
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Brunson left wing, guarded by Nemhart, right handed dribbled crosses
over a couple of times, pulls up straight on three pointers.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
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Larry in Illinois, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Larry?
Speaker 10 (17:04):
Yeah, listen to you guys. You know right here this
morning talked about you know, Indiana. You know, Rick Carlisle
getting kicked out in One of his complaints was the
double dribble. And you watch NBA and I don't watch
it enough but I mean the travel the carry, the
double dribble. I mean I heard you just the day
(17:26):
ago talking to that official. You know that this stuff
doesn't get called at all. I mean they had the
name of the euro Step just to get traveling an excuse.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Thank you, Larry.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I didn't think it was a double dribble on Hartenstein
because I watched it and then you know, Reggie Miller
even calling saying, wait, I don't know what what are
they calling?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Was that unintentional?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And then I looked at it and I realized that
it didn't seem like that was a double dribble. It
was called and they did make the motion of double dribble,
but then Thibodeau came out and then they rescinded that,
and then Rick Carlisle I think went nuclear after that.
Matt in Riverside, Hi, Matt.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
Hey, DP, how's going? Thanks for calling back? A new caller,
long time listener. So ificiate down here in southern California
at the Division two and at the hope that the
division on level and had a lot of friends in
the NBA as far as I concerning, like the calls
and the two minute report after every game. Those guys
do get like a call sheet, whether it's a call
(18:37):
correct or in call correct. So I think the NBA
just need to do a better job of communicating those
out winning does com And then the last question I
had was about relegation. How many times can someone or
front room guys and back room guys get relegated or promoted.
I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right, nobody's getting relegated. We were joking around yesterday
with Todd being relegated. Not gonna happen. This is this
is my team.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It seemed a little serious at times. I know it
wasn't you thought it was? Did you contested plan? Did
you take that? I know after twenty years, I shouldn't
have called my wife on the ride home in tears.
Speaker 12 (19:16):
I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
You're you're secure in your job right for the most part.
But it was one day. You know, it's one day
at a time.
Speaker 12 (19:23):
One day things look good, the other day not such
a great performance.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Well, no, I know that, But asking me, how would
you grade your.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Day so far?
Speaker 12 (19:30):
Yeah, you're looking to Steve minus C plus.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Well that's when you try too hard.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And then I'm trying to tell you, how would you
grade yourself and then if you say, well, not too good, but.
Speaker 12 (19:39):
That leads to spilkes and nervousness and thoughts of like
where how do I say it here?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know what, if you haven't been fired or replaced,
it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 12 (19:46):
That's good to know.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean there were times, yes, there were, yeah,
but we're pasted on the bubble for yes, you were,
you were on the bubble. Alrighty MVP yesterday, Nicola jokicch
he is your MV. So that's three and four years.
I don't think he wins another MVP in his career now.
It's not because he won't play at a really high level.
(20:09):
He should take it as a compliment because Lebron hasn't
won one in what twelve years at well, at one
point they stopped giving it to Jordan, They gave it
to Carl Malone, they gave it to Charles Barkley, and
it's almost like and not that they didn't have great seasons,
but I voted for Jordan every year because I said,
(20:29):
the bottom line is he'll win championships.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Like the value was there every single year.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Maybe not numbers wise, but I and maybe that's not
fair to everybody else. But I did vote for Jordan
to win the MVP because I knew that he was
going to win a championship. Now, Charles Barkley played for
a title, Carl Malone played for a title, Mike was
winning titles, and maybe that's not you know in the
(20:55):
guidelines of how you vote, But for me, I couldn't
vote for somebody else being more valuable. Jordan was the
most valuable player for the entire league, for every team
because when he came to town, you were selling out.
People wanted to see, so his value was more than
just here are my numbers. Financially, he was the most
valuable player. But you know, Lebron, to me, it's pretty
(21:18):
hard to go as many years as he's gone without
winning an MVP. What was it twenty twelve the last
time that he won an MVP Marvin twenty thirteen, twenty thirteen. Okay,
so it's been over a decade since he's won the MVP.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
Yes, Marv Lebron, Jerry West, and Larry Bird have each
finished second place four different times.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, well, I think it got to the point with
Bird where he won three in a row that then
they moved on from him and maybe with Jerry West
not winning, how many MVPs did Jerry have? Did he
have one? Efforting Yeah, But you know, you get to
a certain point. We've written the story about Joker. I
(21:57):
don't know if they're going to win another title. He's
twenty nine. I don't know if he wins another MVP,
and it won't be because he's not averaging twenty seven,
ten and ten you're looking for. Here's Shay Gilgis who
finished second. I'd love to know the voters who watched
how many Thunder games did you watch? I'd love to
know Anthony Edwards, come on down now, you're on a
(22:22):
big stage.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Uh, Luca.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Luca's getting into that Jalen Brunts or Jason Tatum, where
if you're not going to win it, you're not going
to win it because you know the younger guys. But
it does feel like with Joker, and Shaq even said
this after the voting last night on TNT, I don't
like to.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
Run on people's parade, but I'm not happy with this one.
Graduations a Joker, You're not the best bet big man
in the league. But based on everybody's criteria, my criteria
sts that's stuffer, you guys, criteria number one seed, which
team man, it's a better record. I felt Shay Alexander
deserved it because I've been I've been number two a
(23:06):
lot when I played my ass off. And again, no
disrespect to the Joker. Best big man in the league
by far. You could have went this way, but I
thought Shay Gill Alexander was gonna win it by far.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, first of all, I don't know why Shack's making
it about Shack. If you just want to say Shay
Gil just got my vote, fine and here's why. Fine,
But you can't say the Joker is a stat stuffer?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Aside from Steve Nash, is there a more selfless MVP
than him? Pass first MVP if he wanted to stuff
his stats. Just imagine what he could do. He's getting
(23:53):
those numbers and he's shooting, you know, sixteen shots a game.
There were nineteen other players who averaged more shots than he.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Did this year during the riginal season. That's a good
one though.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, So Shack's wrong, and I don't even know what
he's saying with you know, your stuffing your stats, He's
not how many games did Shaq Watt Games of Shay Gilgess,
wonderful player. He was first Team All NBA last year,
so it's not a surprise. He's less of a surprise
than Anthony Edwards is. Shay Gilgess was first team All NBA.
(24:32):
He finished his second Okay, now he's going to get
his opportunity. Luca finished third, Jannis finished fourth. I don't
know how Jannis finishes fourth over Jalen Brunson. I just
don't know. And now we're looking at Brunson's value. There
is nobody more valuable to their team. It doesn't mean
(24:54):
that they're going to win a title, but next year
might be his year.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But then they're not the novelty. Now we're going to
be focusing on that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But if you said, all of these players like Jason Tatum,
Anthony Edwards is in there, but you know Joker deserved it,
Joker could have won four because you can make a
case that without a late season publicity push by Kendrick
Perkins in the Mothership to get Joel Embiid, the MVP
(25:24):
who played well, the reason why Joker didn't win it
that previous year was because we said the following, well,
what's he done? In the postseason. What's Joel Embiid done
in the postseason? You get to a conference championship, Now
you win a title. That's when I said, Okay, Now
they can't you know, hold this against Joker. Well here
(25:47):
they are saying he was, you know, stuffing his stats.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Here he's the least you know, that's the guy. I
don't go. Man, he's just out there putting up numbers.
He doesn't shoot.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Nineteen other players take more shots than he does, so
he's not going to win another MVP. But I would
take that as Wow, that's a compliment because there's some
other players that had happened to Now you've taken him
off the board. I truly feel that, and it might
be the biggest compliment that you can give him.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Is all right, we saw it.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
In a span of four years, he changed his place
in basketball history. How many guys have done that? Four years,
three MVPs and a title. We don't know what's going
to happen this year, but they're down oh two. Now
he's in the top twenty all time, right, just based
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off these four years, three MVPs, NBA title, How many
guys have that on their resume? Guys will have more titles,
not as many MVPs. Now he's in the top twenty
all time, one of the best big men of all time.
And he's not done yet. He's only twenty nine. I mean,
if anything, he'll get bored and then he'll stop playing.
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I mean, he'll play two more three more years, and
he might go I'm out, and nobody's gonna be surprised.
I am out. That'll be it be done now. Shay
Gil just wonderful player. I will continue to say that
because I watched him, watched him become first team All NBA.
Can anybody name anybody else on Oklahoma City aside from
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Ched Holmgren. If you watch, you realize they have a
really good team. Well it's sometimes we look at the
team and you go, oh, okay, I don't know anybody else. Man,
that guy must be really good.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Yes, yes, Mark, I can name two guys from the
Thunder with the same name, two guys bloom I bloop myself.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yes, Todd go that giddy guy, don't. Yes, they do
very very giddy lou Dort. Yeah, but you know it's
not a second team, and you go, wow, they had
a great record. Well, he's got to be the MVP. Okay,
whatever your They don't tell you how to vote. In
all the years that I voted for MVP, nobody ever said, hey,
(28:13):
you got a factor in this, or why are you
factoring in that. I got singled out in a newspaper
in Arizona and a newspaper in Salt Lake City because
I didn't vote for Karl Malone and I didn't vote
for Charles Barklay. And I said, because Michael will win
the title and he did value, But also I look
(28:36):
at Jalen Brunson, They're not going to win the title.
But if I look at pure value to eighteen, every
single night, if Jason Jalen Brunson doesn't go, they don't go.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Plain and simple.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Jason Tatum can have an off night, Joker can have
an off night, Luca can have an off night, Giannis
can have an off night. Shay Gil just can have
an off night. Brunson cannot have an off night. There's
no Julius Randall. You got guys that people didn't think
could start in the league, and Dante DiVincenzo and Josh Hart.
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Jalen Brunson is more valuable to his team than anybody
else yes, Mark.
Speaker 12 (29:19):
Going into next season, Anthony Edwards and Jalen Brunston, do
you think they'll get a lot a bigger push for
League MVP especially you see how this is?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yes, Okay, Jerry West never won League MVP, so Logo
never won.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Uh boy?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Uh Charlie and Tampa, Hi Charlie, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 13 (29:43):
Good morning, Dan and Danett's I'm a long time say
I love you.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
You're amazing.
Speaker 13 (29:47):
Your show is amazing.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Tom.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
I'm called because I am forty four years old. I
grew up in New York City. Michael Jordan ruined my
childhood and Tom Brady ruined teams and twenties. I am
calling because you brought up a point, a really good
point just now, Dan, and it just really inspired me
to call right away to what Joker has done with
these three MVP's and could have been four, like you said,
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is just absolutely outstanding. It's probably like just a one
of its kind.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Would you agree? It's amazing?
Speaker 13 (30:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
You know, growing up, I thought Michael Jordan was the
greatest player of all time and what he did six titles.
You know, if you went and played baseball, he changed
the world. He's Mike, and I never ever would allow
myself to compare Lebron to Michael because what they've done
is very different. Three titles with three different franchises. Having
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brought that up and tying it all together. What Lebron
is done with the number of MVPs he's won, what
he's done in the league and his place in the
league winning titles. When I compare to what Joker has
done and how you drew so easily and casually threw
Joker in.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
The top twenty all time, and I.
Speaker 13 (31:07):
Agree with you, it makes me think what Lebron has
done is the best besketball accomplishment of all times as
a career.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yes, but I'm not getting into Jordan versus Lebron, not today.
I've said this was the question I would always ask,
and that is, if I could give you Lebron for
twenty one seasons or twenty two seasons, or I can
give you Michael for fifteen Let's say you're an owner,
(31:39):
who do you want? And you know what their resumes
are right in front of you. I got seven more
years with Lebron playing at a high level every single
night for me, not the same titles, number of titles
MVPs fan following must see TV as you had with
Mike and the Bulls. But you can make an argument
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that way because statistically Lebron's the greatest player of all time.
But I don't want to get into that argument, not today.
I mean, we're talking about value, but I'm talking about
players who are playing now their value. Let me see
Prab in Orange County. Hi, Prab, what honeymoon?
Speaker 10 (32:23):
Hey Dan, thanks for calling.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
You're welcome, longtime listeners, first time callers.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
It's my son Sahib sixteenth birthday today.
Speaker 11 (32:32):
Him and I listen to you every morning when I'm
dropping him off to school. So I just wanted to
see if you guys could wish saw him a happy.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
Birthday, and if you have, he's my first of three boys.
If you have any tips on teaching.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
These kids how to drive, oh oh my goodness. First
of all, how about a round of happy birthday?
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Birthday?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, I would go to a school parking lot and
I would make sure that the car I had when
my daughter we're learning to drive my son as well,
but my daughter's where if we found a way to
actually bump into a garbage can or you know whatever
it might be that that we were okay, Paul's going
through this now with his oldest daughter. But you just
(33:16):
have to have confidence in them. You have to let
them know you have confidence. You can't get in the
car and all of a sudden quickly buckle your seat
belt like you casually buckle your seat belt and you
relax and you say, hey, let's not have the radio on.
Let's let's get a little more comfortable here and then
talk to me through everything you're going through. But if
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you get in and you're gonna white claw it, you know,
knuckle it, and you're like, you know, close your eyes,
then they don't have confidence. But you're like, hey, we
can do this. Let's let's just take it slow and
have a little bit of fun. And it went okay
for me. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I didn't have any like now.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I would be out on the road with them occasionally
and I'd say, uh.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Blinker blink blinker blinkerk.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Blinker stop stop stop stop, and they're like, Dad, you
can't yell at me. I said, I can yell at you,
because if not, then I'm gonna get yelled at by
that motorists.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Because we're gonna hit him.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay, okay, And then I was like, why am I
getting yelled at? But I would say patience, patience and
give them a little bit of confidence. Just it might
be fake, but just a little bit of confidence that hey,
this is gonna be fun today. It's okay, We're gonna
make some mistakes. Nobody's gonna get hurt. You know, Let's
just just.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Go through this together.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Let's take a break. We will get more phone calls
coming up. Why did Babe Ruth he won one MVP
in his career, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, one MVP.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
I just double checked it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
He finished tenth one year on voting and I think
he hit three seventy seven with fifty home runs.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
What Fritzy get a hold to Tim Kirkshif you just
did Tim Kirschen's voice, you did.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
You know?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Have one every bay. I gotta ask Tim Kirchin about this.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Now that we're on the topic of m v p s,
PAULI brought this up to me yesterday, goes, Babe.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Ruth didn't win any m v P s. He got
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Speaker 4 (36:42):
It's always interesting when you see a fight.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Now in the National Hockey League, so there was a
fight between the Panthers and the Bruins. Kachuck was in
there and Pasta Pasternak, yes, and and they it's almost
like you're kind of arranged fight. Hey, coach, I'm gonna
go out and fight him, okay, all right, And he did.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
He actually said that to him.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He's like telling his coach he's gonna go out and uh,
he's gonna fight Ku Chuck.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And then they sort of wait.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
And then everybody knows it's gonna happen, and uh, they
just go out. It's like recess, when something happens before
you go out to recess, and you're like, hey, when
we go out to recess, I'm gonna I'm gonna kick
your butt. Oh yeah, And then all of a sudden,
everybody goes, ooh, you're dead outside at three o'clock. And
then you go outside and then all of a sudden
(37:34):
it's recessed. Everybody gathers around, and then all of a sudden,
you're watching it. You go, okay, you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready,
all right. I mean there's no sucker punch, no, nothing
like sneaking up on somebody.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
It's basically you good.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm good, all right, ready okay, boom, and then
Ku Chuck knocks his helmet off.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I'm like, you were ready for this, but you weren't
ready for this. Yes, I get I don't know anything
about hockey. I'm not a hockey player. I don't even
have hockey fans in my entire family. I hate the
planned fight. Oh I hate the planned fight. Like if
you guys are playing and somebody gets smashed into the
boards and then it's like, all right, I'm gonna fight
(38:14):
this guy. I get it, but it's like, hey, you
want to fight, I'll fight.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Okay, have a first shift and then we'll just okay,
let's do it. Everybody clears out and then they're gonna fight.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
To me, a plan fight, it should be like way
worse of a penalty or something like way worse.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Then Hey, do you want to fight right now? Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Well wait, hold on, let me go check with my
coach first. Yeah, okay, okay, and you come back okay, yeah,
we'll do it now.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's almost like you're setting an appointment where you're gonna
go what what what what time?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Second period?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Right around the ten minute mark, coach is that okay,
I'll see you then yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
I was watching Mark Messier and the guys talk about
this yesterday and they say it's like instead of having
cheap shots or having you know, a bad play in
ic can hurt someone's knee or get them really hurt,
they say, like, this is a way, we're gonna quickly
settle this in a professional manner. No cheap shots, no,
you know, backstabbing type plays. And it's the standard procedure
in hockey. We're gonna we're gonna fight. Okay, the refs, no,
(39:08):
the other teams know. Everyone grabs a person, you do
a quick fight and then the topic is over and
instead of someone on the boards getting concussion, and it's
it's a way they've done. It's like their own police.
I think I'd like it because it's it's it's a
fair and no one gets hurt hurt, but it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But it it kind of lacks the oh my god,
now this is a okay, gonna fight, gonna fight and
and you're you're you're kind of organized in this, whereas
it feels like hockey. It's so fast that all of
a sudden, it's like boom, now we're gonna drop the
gloves instead.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Of Uh, hey, Tommy, you want to fight?
Speaker 12 (39:45):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Uh hey, coach, can I fight Tommy?
Speaker 13 (39:48):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah? Wait wait a minute? Or so, yeah, it's here
is want to fight now? Or should ill hold on?
Let me check my coach?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Here there is, here's Paul Maurice, the Panthers head coach.
They each have their team, and they got their brothers
in the room.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Gets a little spicy out.
Speaker 7 (40:06):
There, and they want to go.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
I think it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I think when it was over they both looked like
they were fine. Sorry whoever was offended by that concept,
I don't care. I thought it was awesome. Well. Also,
it helps that he has Kachuk who won the fight.
Speaker 12 (40:23):
Yes, Martina, when they start out, when he starts skating,
it feels like very put him off, put him up
your dopes.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna clock you.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh, nobody breaks down hockey the way we break down hockey.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
See what's the pole question today? Oh, I'm so glad
that you asked.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Tim Kirkchin is gonna join us and we'll talk about
why Babe Ruth only won one MVP.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Cant see Joe Andrews He ran the bases backwards and
inside the park going.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
On game three in the world two uh uh Pacers
head coach Rick Carlisles from Paulie is saying the refsar
dot dot, inept or biased.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Oh okay, save it, save it all right.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
There's also the topic of how many NBA players could
play in the NFL and vice versa. Ross Tucker wants
to give us his thoughts on that as well. Busy
Hour two coming up, just getting started. More phone calls
as well.
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