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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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out the end of March, and March is about madness,
It's about chaos. We love the upsets, we love the
buzzer beat Cinderella stories, but this year it's different. No
mid major darlings, no double digit seeds crashing the final four.
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It's four number one seeds, Houston, Duke Auburn, Florida. People
are disappointed, but you have the four best teams in
the country. Imagine any other sport where you go, man,
I'm looking for somebody out of nowhere to play for
the championship. We do that with March Madness, but you
don't do that in most sports.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know, Arizona Diamondbacks were a nice story, like we
do like those nice stories, and we have had incredible upsets.
Go back to the miracle Mets in nineteen sixty nine.
You know, the Jets when they won the Super Bowl,
super Bowl three.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
We like that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But Cinderella stories are fun, but greatness is what we remember.
Villanova's buzzer beater, the UCLA dynasty, go back through history,
all of those great teams. Duke UNLV. It's not your
ideal March madness, it's we I guess expected. But I
think you got the best teams fighting for the title,
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and that still must see TV. I've always said, give
me madness, give me chaos until the Elite eight, and
then I want to see the best teams in basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
NC State last year was a wonderful story, great story
knocked out, Duke, if you're that good, and I just
want to make sure that you complete the mission. If
you're a double digit seed, if you're a mid major,
that you get a chance to play. Butler got to
play for a couple of national titles. I like that storyline.
It's even better if they win the title. But in
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this case, you have the four seeds. I don't think
anybody was surprised. I think those four seeds stood above
everybody else the entire tournament. But this is what this
is about the best teams right now. And what you're
finding is with the blue bloods, the powerhouses, they're taking
away the players from the mid They're almost stealing the
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mid major thunder by taking the mid major player. Therefore,
the mid major can't make a run because they've wised
up finally and said, hmm, do we just want to
recruit freshmen or do we want to take somebody who's
already battle tested. And this is what I've said about
John Kella Perry for years. John, congratulations, you got another
recruiting class that's going to make billions of dollars in
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the NBA. You need to have some players help out
those freshmen, because this time of the year. You play different,
you coach different, and you see that with a lot
of these teams. Now Dukes and Anomaly, they have three
players who are going to be lottery picks and they're freshmen.
But a lot of these other players, you have transfers,
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and you also have juniors and seniors who are providing
that much needed leadership here. But yes, March madness, maybe
not the madness, but it's still going to be great
to see the four best teams play for the championship.
And I don't know if you pose that as a
question like are you disappointed with this year's March mad
Are you disappointed that we have four seeds, the top
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seeds and they're going to play for the championship, I'm not.
Do I want to see a little more madness earlier?
Yes I do, and we didn't see that. But once again,
you got Florida, you got Duke, Houston and Auburn, and you're.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Seeing different rosters.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But you're also seeing these teams for the most part,
who do have some players who have played before and
maybe they played somewhere else. And I think that's the
interesting part of this is they're taking away the mid
major eight seven to seven to three DP show email
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points spreads for the final four. Just got them from DraftKings.
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Florida favored by two and a half against Auburn. Duke
is favored by four and a half against Houston, and
the Dukies are the big favorite here, followed by Florida,
then Houston than Auburn.
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To win it all, come up with the poll.
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Last week we were talking about Cooper Flag and as
we always do with great players or young players, we'd
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like to do a comp go into a draft. Oh
who do they remind you of? And my point with
Cooper Flag is that if he had a career like
Kevin Love's career, it might be viewed as a disappointment.
Ninety percent of NBA players would sign up for Kevin
Love's career. And maybe he's a Hall of famer. He's
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a borderline hall of famer, started out great and made
something of himself. I thought he would be a fourteen
and eight guy, and he proved me wrong and early.
But I was not saying something in a disparaging way
about Kevin Love. And we did invite Kevin Love on
and he smartly said, no, need to talk about it.
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He knew I wasn't taking a shot at him. It's
certain websites, blogs, members of the media that thought I
was taking a shot at him. I'm talking about the
expectation we're going to put on an eighteen year old
going into the NBA. Let's lower. Now, nobody wants to
do this, but let's lower the expectation, or be fair
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to him. The point I was making is he'll be
the number one pick. He's going to be viewed as
a savior. Kevin Love was not viewed that way. Kevin
was a great player who fit in now. When he
stood alone in Minnesota, he put up some great numbers,
had thirty rebounds in the game. But we found his
value when he started to play with Lebron and he
won a championship. Cooper Flagg could do all of those things,
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and I think we'll still view him as a disappointment.
It's not fair to him to have those expectations. He's
not the next Larry Bird. And that's why I said,
maybe he's the next Kevin Love. And there's nothing wrong
with that, but the way it was presented, and look,
I'm the messenger, so maybe I didn't explain it so
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people in the media could understand what I was saying.
This had nothing to do with Kevin Love being a disappointment.
Cooper Flagg would be viewed as a disappointment even if
he put up great numbers like that. That was the
point I was trying to make. But I did say
to Fritzy, I said, reach out Kevin, see if he
wants to come on, and he said no.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He knew that I was not taking a shot at him.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
So just want to make sure that I clarified that
I don't want to say it was taken out of
context or anything like that. It was what I said,
but people chose to look at it differently than what
I was saying. It was about Cooper Flag and the
expectations that Kevin Love has not had a disappointing career.
He's probably close to a Hall of Fame career. Yes, boom, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
We did the post of that clip from Friday's show,
and on the post it says, quote, if you said
his career was going to be like Kevin Love's, would
that be a disappointment question mark? And probably it would be.
What was not included there is the previous sixty seconds
where you were talking about comparing Cooper Flag to Larry
Bird and how that's overreaching at this point for an
eighteen year old. So that kind of took the next
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quote that people didn't see the ramp up of where
you mentioned Larry Bird and Flag and kind of pushed
it out of context a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, but once again, if people it's a far better headline,
and it got a little bit of traction. I didn't
realize it was a thing until Marvin sent it to me.
I'm like, oh, they totally misread what I was saying
about Cooper Flag and Kevin Love. But we did reach
out to Kevin, as we always do. We'll reach out
if we said something or somebody wants to respond. But
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if he wanted to come on and talk about it, great,
But you know, wisely he chose not to because let's
not inflame it any more than maybe what people were
already doing.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, you know, really, the real lesson from this is
that we need our social media people to start taking
your words out of context so that then we get
all of.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That engagement about your words.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Right because posts a lot of accounts on all these
different social media they are all getting a ton of
engagement off of taking your words out of context. We
should just start doing that on your behalf and then
you can defend what we posted. Thank you, Yeah, yeah,
thank you. That's where we really missed.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I didn't give the starting lineup. It's our Fab five,
Flab five, the King of Comedy, Fritzi, you got seat
in here, you got Marvin Paul ye yours truly, and hey,
I'm part of the Flab five.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, Seaton's the one, him and Paul. It looks
you know, sinewy. It's still kind of skinny fat.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I know. That's the bummer. That is the bummer
when you're like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm looking I'm looking good, I'm losing weight, and then
all of a sudden you go, yeah, except for the belly,
but other than that.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'm down almost thirty pounds and still look terrible. How
did that work? Yeah? How did that work?
Speaker 6 (10:21):
How?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
How about a poll question today? Setan yeah, would you
rather be Well, we could go with an easy one
your favorite right now? To win the tournament, We'll just
go with the four left. How about are you disappointed
with this year's tournament? Well? Here, here's why I think
a lot of people are going to say that they are.
And then the reason that they say they're going to
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be disappointed is going to directly contradict the way that
the tournament's actually played out. Okay, people's big complaint about
basketball right now is you don't know any of the players.
You don't know where anybody went. Everybody's moving all over
the place. What the hell I thought?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
What?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And then their big complaint about this year is where's
all the Cinderellas, where's all the teams that came out
of nowhere?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
All the players?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I don't know where's all this stuff, so like it
directly conflicts with the line of thinking.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah I do.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I love the chaos and the madness. I do, but
I also just want I want to watch good basketball,
that's all. And if there's there's no upsets, no buzzer beaters.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Do I think this is going to be the tradition?
Is this going to be a pattern or is it
a one off for maybe back to back years where
Shawk is going to be up there at the top.
I'll go back to what I said initially, the you know,
the big schools are just picking off these players from
the mid majors, preventing the mid majors from making a
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run like this and being a part of the madness
and the chaos.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yes, Pauline, I.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Do miss which watching a team get a week of notoriety.
Was it Saint Peter's in twenty twenty two and everyone
talked about their coach and these different players or Porter
Moser and Loyal of five years ago? They got all
that in the Sister, it feels like that is missing.
It's not a complaint, but just it's a storyline you're
used to.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, but I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
When you have those stories early in the tournament, you go, okay,
let's have this guy on. Yeah, that's a cute story here.
Let's had the kid from NC State on. You know,
so you're gonna play football. You know, that's all great,
but you can't manufacture this to say, how do we
come up with more buzzer beater choon upsets. These are
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the best teams in college basketball. From start to finish,
it felt like these were the four best teams in
college basketball. I'm okay with it, yes, Tom.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
The Cinderellas did balout way too early.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
After a couple of rounds.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
We held onto Colorado State very tightly, very briefly. That
was like the last one standing, and even they kind
of left early. And it's great to have the best
teams at the end, but would have been fun a
few more rounds of a couple of Cinderemes.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Thank you to Florida survived Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Men.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Did I have some problems with the coaching with Texas Tech?
Down the stretch. There's one guy on the floor who
can beat you for Florida, Walter Clayton Junior, the third
that's it. Now, you got some contributions from the other kid.
How Walter Clayton Junior, the third's the only guy take
the ball out of his hands. Let somebody else beat you.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
That's all this is. This is simple coaching.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
One oh one.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yes, Hey, we got beat by some guy who's not
normally in this position. Okay, I'm not gonna let that
guy who I know is the guy who can beat me.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yes, Marvin, this is.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
One of those times where you know what, I'm not
too proud to play box.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
And one absolutely face guard him. Do what Duke did
against Seers at Alabama. You know, when you put a
little pressure on the perimeter, it's amazing how poorly you
can shoot. B Yu' is like, okay, go ahead, go ahead,
we're in his own We got our hands up. Duke's like,
uh no, and we're gonna force you off the dribble.
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Go ahead, see if you can go inside. Speaking of Duke,
their head coach joins us next year on the Day
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always do her on Monday. Best and worst of the weekend.
What you saw that you liked, you didn't like? I
know what he liked. John Shier, the third season dukead
basketball coach, moving into the Final four. You've been there
as a player, You've been there as an assistant coach.
What's it like to be there as a head coach?
Speaker 10 (15:31):
Dan, Well, it's great to be with you, you know
it couldn't be more excited about this opportunity.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
I'll feel it, you know, I'll feel.
Speaker 10 (15:37):
It in person in San Antonio, But to be honest
with you, it feels surreal, you know, like it's the
Promised Land. Obviously we're hungry for more, but couldn't be
more excited by this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You always want to be the guy who follows, the
guy who follows the legend. I'll go back to John Wooden,
and you know you didn't get that. You've got the
opportunity to coach, but you're following the leg And Mike Krychevsky,
I don't know if you did research or talk to
people who were the ones following the legend as opposed
to following the person following the legend.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
Well, you know what, Dan, I did more research on
successions than uh, I think you can imagine, you know,
especially in sport, right, but even in business. Uh and
I tried to find connections about you know, really why
you know, others weren't as successful and what went wrong
and because in most cases it wasn't about what went right.
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You know, it's it's been, it's been very difficult, and
I think the first and most important thing I found
was to be really connected with you know, the former
coach or the transition and for me, you know the
fact that Coach K and I are still as close
as could be and the succession, me and him were
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so connected about what had to change and what had
to improve and what I had to do. But then
obviously you're not going to win it if you try
to be somebody else. And so I had to come
to terms very quickly with I'm not coach K. I
gonna try to be him. I'm not gonna try to
coach like him. I'm gonna I'm gonna be myself and
wherever that takes us, you know, I can live with
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the at the end of the day, because that's the
only way I'm going to succeed.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Is there a new philosophy in how to build a
team in college basketball? You guys might be the anomaly.
You got three freshmen who are going to be lottery picks.
But you're seeing a lot of these teams that a
couple of freshmen, but it's really about getting these you know,
transfer guys or guys who are going to stay for
three or four years.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Yeah, I think it has changed a lot. I think
the biggest difference is now you have to build your
team based on year to year. You know, it's and
look it's when I played. This is only fifteen years ago.
When I played the starting lineup in my group, we
had over one hundred starting game, over one hundred games together.
And look the team we're playing in Houston. Houston has
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great experience together. But for the most part, it is
year to year. I think for me, the challenge is
trying to find some level of continuity, which I think
still can be done in a different way. We're still
bringing in really talented, ready made players that we develop
over the course of the year and have big expectations
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like the guys you know you had mentioned as freshman now,
but I think we do it our own way, and
that's what I'm proud of. You know, I think it's
not going to be cookie cutter. We need this amount
of transfers, returners, freshmen. I think it's based on the
level of readiness that the freshmen we recruit have and
then also the returners we can possibly bring back. And
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I think as you look at our roster, Dan, the
combination of the Seon James, the Malik Browns, the Mason Gillis,
with the Tyrees Proctor and Caleb Foster, well that helps
the freshmen having some level of experience with them.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
How would you do against Procter and a shooting contest?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
I would beat them, beat me in the game, but
I'm gonna beat any of our guys still, I think, Dan.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
How do you coach a freshman as opposed to a
junior senior.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
I just think for these guys there's a level of
that they need to always hear the truth. You have
to hit them right between the eyes. But also at
the same time, you have to give them a really
good confidence because they're going through something.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
They've never experienced before.
Speaker 10 (19:29):
You know, even I'm like, I'm so impressed with the
maturity these guys have playing in my first n CUAA
tournament game, and I remember how I felt, and these
guys haven't acted like it's.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
How did you feel?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I felt, you know, jittery? You know, I felt, you know, pressure.
You know.
Speaker 10 (19:47):
We are six seed playing vcus an eleven seed, and
you just I think there's a tendency Dan to when
you're the higher seed, to play not to lose instead
of playing to win. And so I've tried to just
ingrain in them from day one in the preseason of
being the hunters, you know, not the hunted, and just
going after this thing. And they've embraced then, they've done that,
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but I think with the freshman, just to continue to
give him confidence at the same time of trying to
prepare them for things that they hadn't seen before.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
And that's what I've tried to do.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
He's Duke's head coach John Shier joining us on the program.
Take me back to the Butler National title game when
you want Gordon Hayward wasn't your guy?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Was he you were?
Speaker 8 (20:32):
He wasn't my guy? In terms of me guarding him?
Speaker 10 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, I was ahead on the play that he
got the left. So I think people always think about
the last half court shot, which is right.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
There, the one before that he had.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
We were under out of bounds, we were up by one,
and he had an isolation play at the top of
the key and he ended up shooting about like a
fifteen footer from the baseline. I thought it was going in, Dan,
I was right under the basket. Had just probably if
it's inch shorter or it goes in, it goes long.
So that shot, to me, was was the one that
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scared me. I was already thinking about the how we
were gonna win with the timeout or what we were
gonna do, but the half court shot was something I'll
never forget. And I just I felt to his off
of the last second, I was ahead on the play,
but but thank god he missed it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
If he hit that shot, he becomes Latner.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Yeah, you know what, And probably I don't know if
I'm the head coach to Duke, I don't know if
I'm I think the whole I think my.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Whole life is.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
I think there's a lot of things that could be
different from from from that shot.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But do you explain to your kids?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And I don't know if you feel this, but the
Latner years, even JJ Reddick people hated Duke.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, it doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
This is this is a team that people may root for,
maybe not root against, but they're not you know, they're
they're like, hey, Cooper Flag looks great. I mean, you
got it seems like a fun team. They play, you know,
great offense and defense. Are you guys embraceable?
Speaker 8 (22:09):
I share, hope so.
Speaker 10 (22:10):
And look it's funny because I think we are always embraceable.
But like you said, I think it's a different feeling,
and I can't explain why that is.
Speaker 8 (22:20):
I hope it's the fact that you have.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
A group of really talented players that really embrace playing
in the right way.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You know.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
It's led to some beautiful offense and they're tough, you know,
like they're not afraid of anything. So I think that
combination maybe has been received well. But again not JJ
Reddick was the same.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I don't know. I don't know what it is. I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Have you had the conversation with Cooper Flag about coming back? No, okay,
just is there going to be a conversation?
Speaker 8 (22:54):
No?
Speaker 10 (22:54):
Okay, Although I can dream about that, yes you can,
I know.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I think that's all it is.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
In this case, I think it's a dream, and I
think he's got to take the next dream in his
life and be the topic in the NBA Draft and
start his professional career.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Before I let you go.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Remember talking to Steve Nash and he said during his
career with Phoenix, coaches told him he was too unselfish.
There are times where I see Cooper Flag maybe too unselfish.
The Phoenix Suns had to tell Steve Nash to shoot more.
Is Cooper Flagg sort of in that it seems like
he's really really engaged to get everybody involved. And maybe
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I'm not going to say the detriment you're hit the
Final four, but are there times when you want him
to be a little more selfish.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
I think you hit the nail on the head with him, Dan,
because he's part of is what makes him so special
is him bringing along as teammates and his feel for
his passing.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
It is an incredible weapon for our team.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
But also he can want to defer at times to
get them going and word our best. He's at our
best when he's in complete attack mode. Teammates will get
shots from that. But that's something I have to It's
probably the biggest thing we have to get on him
about and just making sure he's not deferring and continually
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just looking to dominate, which he can.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Good luck in the final four. John, great to connect
with you again. Thank you, thanks for having me appreciate you.
That's John Shire. So Bob Knight played in a final four,
coached in final four, he played in I think three
final fours, coached in five or six final fours. Dean
Smith he played in a couple of final fours, and
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then with North Carolina I think he was in eight
or nine final fours. Billy Donovan at Providence played in
a Final four, and then at Florida he won a
couple of national titles as well. Hubert Davis at North Carol.
I'm talking about modern era. So John Shire is part
of that modern era with Hubert Davis and Billy Donovan
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to a degree. Then you have Bob Knight and Dean
Smith part of the eight men who have played in
the final four, coached in the final four.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yes, PAULI.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
After that interview, if anyone in the media US included
wants to discuss Cooper Flag coming back for another year.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
It's a waste of your time.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, but I had to ask.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
It was a great question I had to ask because
you know, that's one of those where you know, the
story comes out later this week. You know, I got
to sit down. Cooper and I are going to sit
down and talk about his future. No, No, need to
have that conversation.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
No, I have not.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
No, you know, Dan, that's something that we're waiting to see.
We need to get through the tournament here for No,
I have not.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But what he did, what he said was what he
said earlier is you got to be honest with these kids,
and that's his approach. I'm just honest with them, whether
it's a freshman or a senior. Chris and Syracuse leads
us off today. Hey guys, Hey Chris, Hey, thanks man.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I thought that was.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Good.
Speaker 11 (26:01):
Dad. I got a best and worst to throw at
you in a mock headline. My best to the Blue
Devil's defense shutting down the Alabama three point machine. I
think they held them to eight and only gave up
sixty five points. And my worst. Here are some Yankee
haters complaining about the Yankees new bats that have never
been used, the torpedo bat and Aaron Judges and even
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using it and off of that, I got a fritzy
mock headline for the Yankee haters. Okay, in Cortesa's return
to Yankee Stadium, he gets hit hard with a corkish
fee as Yankees go for a Ferris Bueller nine nine
nine home runs.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Thank you, Chris, Chris and Syracuse legend legend. Yeah, I
was going to talk about the Yankee bats, and you
know that baseball's improved.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
It if this was.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
The Marlins doing this and be like that's a cute story. Oh,
good for them, But there is that moment of have
they been hiding these bats?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
They had to get approval by Major League Baseball. It's
not like a court to bat where you're trying to
hide the bat. They went up there and there's only
a couple of players on the Yankees who are using them.
But it certainly did help them over the weekend. Hey,
here's my first pitch home run. Here's my next pitch
home run. Here's my third pitch of the game home run.
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And then you got Aaron judgsaying I don't need those bats.
Everybody can use these bats if they want to. It's
not like the Brotherly Shove or something where we feel like, hey,
they're getting away with something. By the way, I think
the push tush tush push is in trouble. I think
that's in trouble. I think it's on the chopping block.
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With the competition committee and the owners getting together, they'll
vote on it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Mark my words.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You can take away the brotherly shove, you still are
not going to be able to stop the Eagles when
it comes to the quarterback sneak. Okay, the offensive line
can still do what they've always done, and you have
a quarterback who has more leg strength than probably any
other player in the NFL except for his running back,
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Saquon Barkley. That power and that great offensive line, they'll
still be successful. But I think that we're going to
go into next season without that.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Push tush tush push is gone, but they'll be voting
on it tomorrow morning. Yeah, seton.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
That actually brings us to another poll question suggestion. Oh um,
If I said the topics are the tush push and nosewiping,
what are we talking about a kindergarten class or the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's where the teacher says, hey, hey, boys, knock it off.
Stop with that and don't wipe your nose.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I'm like brushing my teeth, going over things like, all right,
what do we want to make sure that we talk
about today? I'm like football, I think I have a football. Well,
you got the nosewipe, stay the tou push, Like, what
the hell is this? What the hell am I talking about?
Is this football? Or is this like pre k Like okay, kids.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Hey, Jimmy, stop pushing Tommy.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No more with the toush push okay. And if we're
wiping our nose, we do it in a tissue, not
with our fingers.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Come on, come on, skippy, you're better than that. But
this has to do with a CD LAMB celebration that
I guess is some kind of acknowledgment to the bloods
some type.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Of bloods slash trip situation, her situation. Yeah, and I'm going.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Okay, sure, but it does sound like something that a
you know, a first grade teacher would be saying, you know,
tour kids, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Tommy, stop wiping your nose.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Hey, you two guys stop with pushing each other push tushes.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, we don't wipe our nose.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Gus in la hi Gus best and worst of the weekend.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
We're more than mister Patrick Hope you're the boys at
a great weekend. Ben to the weekend. Even though we're
shorthand my Lady Trojans surviving to go on to the
Elite eight. I know it's going to be a tall
test to get rid of Page Beckers and Yukona and
I I was looking forward to that rematch between her
and Juju. But I guess we'll never get it.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
But this is why they scheduled this. This was going
to be the matchup that we were pretty much guaranteed
of Connecticut USC Juju Watkins versus Page Beckers. That's why
people go, well, why would you do it that way?
They wanted to ensure that these two teams met. It's
just like LSU against Caitlin Clark. They wanted to make
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sure they met. And if Juju doesn't get hurt, imagine
the build up to this game, Page coming off forty
points and you're going against the next.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Great player in college basketball.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Interrupted you, Gus, but it's TCU, Texas, Yukon, USC, South
Carolina UCLA already in what else?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Do you have.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
No worries about that? Sir? And then you guys kind
of already took it, you know, took the wind out
of my sales with the whole thing. Because we're seeing
two interesting parallels happening right now with the toast push
that may or may not be banned, and then the
Yankee bats. Will we see the same type of like,
you know, we already see the Brewers kind of like
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raise their arms up in like objection, like whoaha, whoa
these bets, these bets, what the hell is going on?
Will we see the same type of you know, reaction
with it. Will Will the Minnesota Twins or the Red
Sox come out and be like, we got to protest this.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
This has got to be illegal.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, but everybody can do the toushbush, and everybody apparently
can get these torpedo bats. Great to hear from you, guys.
So the bat rules aren't really complicated. The bat shall
be a smooth, round stick, not more than two point
six y one inches in diameter at the thickest part,
and not more than forty two inches in length. The
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bat shall be one piece of solid wood. Goes on
to say that there may be a cupped indentation up
to one and a quarter inches in depth. Two inches
wide and at least one inch diameter. So that's it.
And it's a former Yankee who posted online that it
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was a former Yankee front office staffer who now works
for the Marlins who developed this torpedo barrel bat. So
it adds more mass to the bat. Sweet spot. Okay,
everybody can use this. It might be one of those
of Hey, everybody can do the tush push, but not
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everybody has that quarterback in that offensive line. Everybody can
use the torpedo bats, but you might not have the
players who were able to do what the Yankees did.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yes, Ton, so you can reshape the bat.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Obviously a pitcher can't reshape the ball, but at the
very least they should be able to go back to
putting stuff on it, put fast leni at, whatever you
want to do. If they're able to reshape a bat,
the picture needs to be able to have an extra
advantage too.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
No no, no, no no. You don't compound this by
adding to it. They're altering. You can't alter the look
of a baseball. You can't change the shape in the hand.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Illegal todd to do that.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I think you're about to put stuff on the ball.
Speaker 12 (33:20):
They're playing with the bat.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
The picture should play with the.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Ball, and they kind of already can do certain things
to the ball. They do scuff it up a little
bit there. Yeah, And I mean there's like, I know,
there's rules about when you go to your hat and
you go to this and whatever and rosinba all that,
but there is some stuff that you can do to it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, they are getting spin rate.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I'm not going to get as upset as Fritzy, but
when I saw the bat, it looked illegal. It looks wrong.
The look of it doesn't match baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
But you're not hiding a corked bat.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
No, No, it's clearly approved by the league.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Hey do you think baseball went.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Hey, hey, commissioner, look at this Yankees. Imagine if the
Astros did this. It's the only way to make it
more of a story. There's like two franchises that if
they did this, it would be a story and it's
the Yankees and the Estros. Or if the Dodgers did it,
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they'd go, oh, they're spending more money on you know,
mit scientists who were see.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That's how smart they are. That's how smart they to everybody. Look,
they're looking to the future. Okay, they got a lot
of money invested in the future. Look at what they're's great.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
More phone calls coming up, Best and worst of the
week on our Play of the Day is next.
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Speaker 12 (35:58):
Now you see the shape Chisholm's bat.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
It's got a big barrel on it.
Speaker 12 (36:02):
Well, it's actually a little bit lower than the barrel.
The Yankee front office, the analytics department, did a study
on Anthony Valpy and every single ball it seemed like
he hit on the label. He did hit any on
the barrel. So they had bats made up where they
moved a lot of the wood into the label. So
the harder part of the bat is going to actually
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strike the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
That'd be a weird way to hit.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's going up there expecting to get jammed and putting
the meat of the bat towards the label.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
They allow you to wait a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah you're wait all right, okay, But anybody could do this.
And the person who did come up with this is
with the Miami Marlins. Now, I don't know if baseball,
I don't know if they have to have a press conference.
I don't know if the commissioner comes on a show
and says, hey, you know, we knew about this, we
had to approve this, We're fine with this. I don't
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know if this is one of hey, they're getting an
unfair advantage. Okay, but if everybody can do it, goes
back to the tush push. Everybody can do it. Nobody
could do it as well as the Eagles. Now, as
I've said before, this is really simple. Just don't let
somebody stand behind the quarterback and block the quarterback into
the line, into.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
The defense, into the inzi.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
They're trying to use data that talks about safety. You know,
the NFL is in the entertainment business. The play itself
is not entertaining and it's predictable, and they don't like this.
It's like the extra point. Nobody's watching. Touchdown, you go
get a beer, then all of a sudden you move
it back, and all of a sudden, it's like, hey,
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like this is now musty TV.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The kickoff.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
They're trying to figure out how we can do this
where we don't have data that talks about all the injuries.
Because they don't have that, they don't have the injury
data for the tush push. They're trying to do that,
but they don't have it because if they would cite that,
then this goes away.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But they don't have that. It's like the onside kick.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
They're trying to bring it back, but you can only
use it if you're trailing, and normally when you're using it,
you're trailing.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Just here's a heads up.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Only in a Super Bowl maybe, but you know, if
you want to have a full announcement, Okay, we're going
to have an on side kick. But it's one of
the great plays in the NFL. It doesn't work very often,
but when it does, it's spectacular. And how many players
are involved in the onside kick, like the actual collision,
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six maybe eight? Okay, it's one side of the field.
You can only have a certain number of players on
each side of the kicker. And now I think they're
trying to bring that back. They're trying to bring the
kickoff back as well, because they're in the entertainment business.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Yeah, Pauline, going back to the tours, I'm on MLB
dot com and they said they were designed to put
more wood, more masks concentrated in the area of the
bat where a hitter is most likely to hit the ball.
So basically they reshaped it to put more wood in
the barrel area and have more chances for hard hits.
Maybe this isn't unfair to other teams. It's unfair to
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history because if a generation ago you didn't have access
to these bats. Bats were traditional for really one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, but there's a lot of things that weren't available
one hundred years ago, fifty years ago.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
But if you make a bat that drastically increases either
power or connection, that seems unfair.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
But it can only be a certain width, it can
only be a certain size.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
You can't go up there with a two by four.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
It basically increases your sweet spot, almost like a driver,
you know, when you want to hit a driver and
they have the you know, the terminology the sweet spot.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
It's like that.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
The bat cannot be more than two point six one
inches in diameter. So no matter what you're doing, you
can take away some of the mass at the top
of the bat and the bottom of the bat and
put it in the middle, it still has to measure
two point sixty one inches at most in diameter, So
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it's not like I'm putting a piece of luggage there.
I mean, it's it just looks weird because now if
the bat stayed that way the entire length of it,
so the sweet spot, but it extended to the end
of the bat, then nobody would have a problem with
it because it would look like a normal bat.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yes, and I think over the course of baseball, bats
have changed many times, right, like even didn't say Barry Bonds.
They started using a different type of wood. Yes, that
was used previously before. That's why you saw so many
broken bats. But they could swing it faster and get
you know, a certain amount of connection. That's reinventing the
bat isn't necessarily something that just happened. It's happened many times.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, and I think it's now they seem to settle
on every once in a while to be like, you know,
the new wood that they're using, and then it'll be
I think birch is the new one, yes time.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
I think the problem is also because it's such a
visual thing. If you change the type of wood, you're
not really necessarily looking at what's inside or what it's
made of. But once you see a weird shape that
you're not used to after so many years, Like why
now all of a sudden, we reshaping the bat.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
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