April 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan thinks winning an NBA Championship this season would benefit Jimmy Butler more than any other player with the possible exception of LeBron James. And NFL Draft expert Mel Kiper stops by with an update on his latest draft board.
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That is TBA.
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We had the thunder one which was I think the
thunder will win the NBA title. Sure twenty three percent,
way too early, seventy seven percent. And we'll say we
could come up with for a clever final hour poll.
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It's kind of listening to you.
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couple of NBA notes here. The Pistons have dropped fifteen
consecutive playoff games. That's the longest postseason losing streak in
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NBA history. The last time Detroit won a playoff game
May twenty six of eight against the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
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This is the style of the day.
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fifty one point win, the largest in a playoff game
since twenty fifteen. But John Morant vows that it'll be
different Game two, which is you know comforting to hear.
If I'm a Memphis fan. You imagine if he said
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I don't know, it might be the same coming up
game two. You know, it's weird to say somebody is
in a must win situation, and we talk about this
a lot must win situation. Now, I feel like every
year is a must win situation for Lebron because Lebron
is chasing the ultimate goal, and that is to be
the greatest player in NBA history, and the only way
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he accomplishes that is to win at least one more championship. Now,
another player, and I think he's in a must win
situation is Jimmy Butler. Because Jimmy Butler wanted out of Miami,
goes to Golden State. He's playoff Jimmy. You can wipe
away of the mess that you know he left in Miami.
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And you imagine if he helps lead Golden State to
another championship, which means Steph Curry gets another championship, which
means he moves up the totem pole. But I think
the must win and I would put that in parentheses
but not capital letters, but must have a great end
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result here, maybe you get to the the NBA Finals,
maybe you get to the Western Conference finals, but this
is why they bring you in. You're different in the postseason.
But I would think that those two if Boston doesn't
win it this year, I don't think Jalen Brown and
Jason Tatum are in a must win situation. I don't
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think Donovan Mitchell's in it must win. Now you can
say Shay gilgis because he's going to be the MVP
and we've seen you know that in previous years. Hey,
what did you do in your MVP season? Because if
Shay Gilges just doesn't go to the NBA Finals, I
think the voters will go, we gave it to you.
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We want to see you prove it. You've got to
do it again, but we want you to do that,
then we'll reward you the following season. I mean, they
did this to Joker Jannis. I don't think anybody is
expecting anything out of Giannis. But if you're looking at
must win situations, I would say probably Lebron because he's
chasing Mike and Jimmy Butler because he has a history
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of you know, wearing out his welcome. Steph, you know,
how many more years do you get this opportunity Draymond.
How many more years do you get this opportunity of
maybe playing for a championship And the key is Jimmy,
because Steph's going to be great. I mean, Draymond will
still do what he does, good and bad. You got
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to get the you know, younger players to contribute, but
you got a chance to maybe play for another champ
And I would say that Jimmy is in a must
winnish situation along with Lebron chasing Mike.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna take Lebron off that list only
because I don't think he can get to where Mike is.
But Jimmy Butler to me is the one seed only
because of how it ended in Miami and the go
to Golden State with Stephen. With Draymond, I think they've
got to do it, and I think it's got to
be this year because since he's gotten there, they've played great.
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Their seating is misleading. I don't mean for that, Ryan, Okay,
Their seating is misleading only because before he got there,
they were uh like on the cusp of you know,
the seventh seed. But since he's gotten there, I think
they're like twenty four and seven.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Wait, you don't think that there If Lebron wins another title, no,
like he can't, he can't surpass Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, I don't know, only only.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
If he let Okay, let's just say he wins another title.
At that age, now he's one less than Mike. I
know Mike never lost the NBA Finals, but Mike didn't
play in as many finals as Lebron did. Who did
lose NBA finals, You'd have a hard time convincing me
greatest basketball career of all time. And maybe that's not
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fair to say it that way, because I would put
Kareem in there as having the greatest basketball career of
all time. I think he lost one or two games
in high school. How many games he lose in college?
He didn't get to play his freshman year they won
all three national championships when he lose two games. And
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then you go into the NBA and yes, did he
get to a point where he's overshadowed by Oscar as
his point guard and then Magic as his point gude, Yes,
that happens to the big man because they need, you know, facilitator.
You'd be hard pressed to convince me that Mike is
a better basketball player than Lebron. If Lebron wins a
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title at this age, I just have a hard time.
I think you gotta be fair as much as we
hold on to our memories, and that's what this is.
Nobody talks that Mike didn't go to the playoffs there,
you know, one and done in the playoffs there. Oh,
we didn't have a good team. Look at Lebron's team
that went to the finals against the Spurs. Did Michael
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Jordan ever have a team that was that bad? And
you would, once again, you'd be hard pressed. But I
think that Lebron what he's done, like you know, everything
start to finish, and he lived up to the hype.
Mike didn't have hype. Mike was He wont even the
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best player at Carolina. James Worthy was considered the best
player Lebron from fifteen to forty as much as I
loved and I was there with Jordan when he won
those titles. Now this is what you're going to get. Well,
who would you want game on the line? Okay, does
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that make you the best player? Because we totally blew
past Bill Russell? He never lost in the finals, did
he He won eleven titles? He won two titles in college.
Wait wait, wait, well no, it doesn't work that way.
Why not Russell's the greatest winner of all time. He
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just you know, wasn't a brand. He didn't have shoes,
he didn't appear in movie. You know, he was just
Bill Russell. He was going to a press conference for
civil rights, you know, like all right, yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
With the Michael Lebron argument, see, I would get real
like geekish and start talking about there was no wasted
movements and when Michael Jordan had the ball, as soon
as he got the ball, he went right to work.
He had great footwork, great fundamentals on top of extreme athleticism.
So maybe I'm just going a little bit too deep
because people a going to say, oh six and oho.
So there's a lot of people with not a lot
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of people, but there's people with six championship Robert or
you got seven.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, But we all know that Mike was great. We
all know what he could do with the besketball. I
just don't think we're fair to Lebron because people you know,
you got Skip Bayless, who has criticized Lebron forever, and
you know, therefore it's like opens no one was criticizing Mike.
No one even now, no one criticizes Mike. You got
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guys who played against him who're afraid to criticize him.
Now I get the ultimate respect. I just what Lebron
has done, as I mean, it's remarkable, and I don't
think that we give him enough credit. I don't. It
might be after the fact, it might be ten years
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after the fact when people look back and go, cow
dude scored forty thousand. He plays the fact that he
hadn't won an MVP since won twenty twelve. I mean, yam,
I just I think he's been taken for granted. Now
can we nitpick? Yes, Russell wasn't a good offensive player,
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will you know? It was a malcontent who took himself
out of I mean, we go down the list there,
but that's Larry Bird's career wasn't long enough, you know,
That's the thing. I you know, we tend to do
this and then all of a sudden you bring somebody down.
Oh they couldn't do he didn't do he clutch, he
was he free throws he you know, And yes, if
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I had one game to win, do I want Mike
or Lebron I want Mike, but that doesn't mean that
he's a better player or certainly had a better career
than Lebron because Joe Montana won four, didn't lose, but
he's not considered the best quarterback of all time. Mahomes
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has already passed him, and he's lost in the Super
Bowl a couple of times. I just we pick and
choose with our arguments and I and you know, I
understand that it's a hot take world here. I just
think we won't be as we're not going to be
fair to Lebron until after the fact.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yeah point, Unlike you, most Jordanists are unflexible or they
have no flexibility about Michael Jordan. They don't even like
to have the topic and discuss Lebron because it's like
resume versus playing ability. Those are two different things. The
best resume in quarterback history is Tom Brady, and it's
really not that close.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
If you said who is the best ever.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
At playing the position, you could I think people can
make the case for Damn ma Reno, but his resume
is nowhere close to some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, we just we get caught up in you know,
that's my childhood or you know that that I followed
the NBA then, and you know everybody rooted for the
Bulls even when they came to your hometown. I mean,
that's rare that that happens in a team game that
you were okay if your team lost to the Bulls.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
And the thing is, I'm not anti Lebron. I think
he's gonna have behind Kareem the second greatest career ever,
as far as in the NBA's second gradest career ever,
because look, I saw Lebron at the end of his
sophomore year. There's an article in Slam magazine is that
the best player in high school basketball just finished the
tenth grade. So I saw it from the beginning. And
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in his junior year he was on the cover Sports Illustrated.
And to d what he's done is unbelievable because you
see all these guys outside of Tiger Woods that had
this type of hype going in and they didn't live
up to it, and Lebron has.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, but imagine if Lebron had passed the ball to
Steve Kerr, if Lebron had passed the ball to John Paxson,
that happened Lebron. I mean Mike didn't take those shots
they did. Imagine if Lebron doesn't even get credit for
the bubble, everybody there was no advantage playing in the bubble. Yeah,
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but he won in the bubble. It's a neutral sight.
It would have had Home courted Vin. It's actually more impressive,
Like what are we doing? It wasn't like some.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
NBA players are in the bubble and others just weren't there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
See, that's where it gets silly. Mike didn't take those
last shots. Steve Kerr did. John Paxson did.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
Killed him out.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Now you said, man, Michael, what a genius. You know
it took the double game and threw it to Steep
Like we can create whatever we want to create. Nobody
brings up when Mike didn't make the finals. What happened
in those seasons? Would you rather have somebody who got
you to the postseason, to the finals? Yeah, but Mike
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didn't lose. No, he lost earlier.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yes, mar And people always say because they don't like Lebron, Oh,
goats don't get swept. I said, Cream got swept and
Magic got swept. Berg got swept. But because it wasn't
in the finals, it doesn't mean that much. So would
you rather lose in the second round where people really
don't care that much, or the finals people pick and choose.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
There's breaking news. I don't think anybody saw this coming.
Cooper Flag is going pro?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
What? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Easy, I'll say it slower. Cooper Flag is going pro.
I'm gonna probably need another source on this, but sources
close to me tell me that Cooper Flag is going pro. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
Remember a month ago we had coach Cyron from Duke
and you asked him have you had a conversation about
him staying or going? And he said no, No, like
the conversation happened when he chose to attend Duke.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I ask him, are you going to have a conversation
with him? No? All right? I think didn't con Canipple
announce that he was going pro before Cooper Flag did?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Uh, okay, yeah, I know, I know. Let me take
a break. Mel Kiper Draft Expert's going to join us
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the program. Why do so many opinions seem to shift
based on stuff that's not from actual games that these
players play.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It's college to prod and that's what makes it so
so difficult.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
You're seeing guys play in college against players who will
not be in the National Football League, so you're not
getting apples to apples. In some games, you want to
watch an offensive tackle, but the defensive ends going on
the right side or left side, opposite where the player
you want the one on one to be, So you
get little snippets, okay, snapshots here and there of a
player against another great player. That's why senior bowl practices
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are so important, because you're getting good on good. You
don't get that in college on a regular basis, so
a lot of times the stats.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Can be skewed.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
One way, you can have great numbers against I call
am aog sdan another occupation. Guys, that's what they are,
you know, they're aogs. That's what you go up against
in college. I can win that phrase years ago. That's
what it is because that's college football. That's the same
thing when you talk about high school. It's tough to
go from one level to the next and be accurate
with you evaluation. So when you end end today, it's
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over evaluation too, because you're talking about so much time
between the end of the season until late April that
you do kind of overthink it and you do factor
in things that maybe shouldn't be as heavily weighed because
it's so much time and it is level to a
different level, and you have to look at everything possible
to try to make a good, good evaluation. And certainly, Dan,
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a lot of scouts believe in general managers. Later in
the draft, take the talented kids, Bill Polly and Hall
of Fame. We're always told him, no, take the talented
guys later in the draft. The guys are call him
under achievers, Dan, but they have a big time skill set.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
And for one reason or another they got dinged in
the process a bit.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Take those kind of guys in the fifth, sixth, seventh
round or bring him in his undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
How do you grade Travis Hunter considering there's two positions.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
He's a hard It's a hard decision on wide receiver
and corner when you have other players.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
That are fully invested in that one spot.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
So you say, Okay, Travis didn't play just reiver, he
didn't play just corner.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
He was out there every play, every snap.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
That to me prevents him from being as good at
one or the other that he could be. So even
with that said, Dan, he's my number one wide receiver
and he's my number one corner, and it's amazing that
he would just focus on one position how great he
could be.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So to me, Travis is as.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Unique as any player in the history of the draft
because he is going to play both ways.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Right away, Dion said it perfectly.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You're not going to have a drive at the end
of the first half, or a drive in the fourth quarter,
or two drives in the fourth quarter, settling that game
that outcome and have Travis Hunter standing on the sidelines
when our cornerbacks are getting beaten in the quarterbacks, driving
his team right down the field against my defense. You
can't have that. So Diana is perfectly correct. He's a
thousand percent correct on that. This kid's got to play
both ways.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Do you love or love love Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like really loved Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I tried to be loyal to what like I said
August and what I thought throughout their careers. And I
understand if you want Dan somebody who looks the part,
I call them ltpeers.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's what they are.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
There are ltpers.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
There's a couple other guys that that's positioned that are
more physically gifted. Okay, when I talk about arm strength,
when I talk about just imposing size, the rocket arm,
the four to six speed, there are other quarterbacks that
have that. Dan, if you want that, take those guys.
If you want a kid who can just surgically take
a team down the field, pick you apart, see things,
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recognize things, diagnose, make decisions that are sound. Also, get
the ball to accurate points and precise points to a receiver,
and hang in tough in that pocket, take hits and
keep getting up. Don't point fingers, don't assign blame. Win
football games. He didn't have a running game for two
years of Colorado. Dan his leading rusher, upset it for
the last month. His leading rusher the last two years,
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the two top running backs in this draft, Jent and Hampton,
would have had more yards in a game and.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
A half then they had the whole year.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Think about that and an offensive line, Dan, you saw
that offensive line that was a bad group in twenty
twenty three, a little bit better in twenty four. But
bottom line is he had no chance, and a lot
of those snaps he had no shot. So I give
him a lot of credit, Dan, But if he's not
the guy that you want physically, and you can't reconcile
taking a guy that high, I get it. But does
that not mean that, hey, in the mid late first round,
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he can't be a heck of a pick.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And all this notion too, Dan, Well, if.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You love them, or you'll like them, whatever, if you'll
just like them, you can't take them.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Well, I give you an example.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
In nineteen eighty four, Dan, my first year at ESPN,
I had Boomer Assias and the third highest rated player
on my board right now.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Schador is at five. By the way. Okay, So say
Shaudor goes in the late first.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Think it was in a second what an idiot Kuiper
is right, he had Well, guess what Boomer was. Three
Bengals had three picks in the first round. Dan, I'm
sitting there, first year at ESPN. You know what's going
through my head.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I'm one and done. I'm sitting there with Boom. I'm
sitting there with Chris Berman, Boomer and Bob Lee. I'm
thinking now, I'm not gonna be back for the nineteen eighty.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Five d My third highest rated players there, and the
Bengals passed them three times, Dan, and two of those
three were bus They took him in the second round.
Now to that philosophy, if you didn't like him enough
to take him with your first three picks in there,
why are you taking him in the second round. He's
gonna be your quarterback. He's gonna be the guy, whether
he was the first second round or he's your guy
moving forward. You didn't even like him enough to take
ahead of Rickey Hunley, Pete Kotch and Brian Blados. Okay,
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so again, I don't buy into any of that nonsense.
Brett Fahr was like highly rated player went in the
second round, right, Look what happened with him.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Aaron Rodgers was supposed to go number one. Three.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
We will full of draft that slid to twenty four,
the six of the eight sliding picks on terms of
my rankings over the last yeah, since nineteen seventy Dan
I went all the way back to nineteen seventy sixty
eight hit six of the eight sliding quarterbacks hit. So
maybe Schador will be one of the six that does
really well.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
We're talking to Mel Kuiper, Draft Expert forty second NFL
Draft and you can see ESPN with every pick there
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Field Ags Mike Greenberg the First Draft podcast as well
with mel Kiper. Help me understand this then, I know
we get it. We fall in love with quarterbacks. But
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if I say to a team that guy right there
that you're going to take, it's not a quarterback, but
he's going to be a future Hall of famer. But
instead you'll roll the dice on cam Ward and cam
can be maybe he's a Hall of famer. But if
you said Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, you know there's a
couple of guys in here that you go. Chances are
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they could be the safest pick and be a future
Hall of Famer. But we're gonna roll the dice on
cam Ward. He explain the logic there at the top
of the draft. It's a arm talent, Dan, it's the trades.
It's that skill set that Brian Callahan.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I listened to an interview with Brian Callahan and he said,
I want a quarterback and everybody in the stadium those
we're throwing a ball and throw the ball and deliver
a pass and complete it.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I want a guy that's wired, right.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
I want a guy that, certainly you know, can be
not just good, because he said he said just good,
just good.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's not good enough.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Dan, it's been told to us. Listen to what they're saying.
I don't want to go that's just good. They want
Joe Burrow, they want Jaydon Dan. He mentioned Joe Burrow
and Jadan Daniels in an interview. That's what he's shooting for.
He's not shooting I said this for the last couple
of years, Dan, the singles in double days for quarterbacks
are over. This is and even maybe even a triple.
You want a Grand Slam or a home runner. You
don't want that guy, Dan. So what they're doing now
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is they're just keeping taking shots. They're taking shots. If
my guy's not a triple, triple double or a triple
home run or Grand Slam, he's just a double or single,
just good, then I gotta get better.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I gotta get better.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
And the one phrase that came out of everybody's mouth
this last couple of years is I want a quarterback,
my quarterback to play at consistently high level.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Well, they're looking at great then, right, Yeah, consistently high level?
Who does that? Dan?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Patrick does it every day because he's a Hall of Famer,
bottom line knows does these quarterbacks do it every day?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Consistently high level?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
And that's where again, you look at what we're doing here.
If we got a quarterback and we think he could
be good, but we got to get better.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
This kid has the arm talent.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Shador Sanders doesn't have the rocket arm, doesn't have the
four to six beeding. This is the six three two thirty.
Cam Ward has the rocket arm, has maneuver ability and creativity.
The GM was with Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has a
lot of creativity and a live arm. They all see
a little bit elements of the quarterback. They were with
with a quarterback, they're going to select and I think
they see some elements there of what Mahomes does to
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the way cam Ward does or doesn't do it that way.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
That's why cam Ward goes.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm sure, Like, are you sure that cam Ward is
going to be more successful or as successful as Travis Hunter?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
No? No, I don't think anybody can be sure of.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So mightn't take that guy. That's a generational talent there.
This is what I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Well, you can't do.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
You have to have It's the most important position in
all sports, this quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Okay, so you got to keep taking chances.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
I always say, if you don't have that quarterback, then
you're spinning your wheels.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
They got Joe Burrow in Cincinnati didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Okay, so you are. You can have all these pieces.
That's what they said. And I was a big Trent
Dilford supporter. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Ironically, you're
in Baltimore, right, My homes have worn and raised in Baltimore.
I right, how it all came full circle for me.
But people say, well, you needed everything around. They'd let
Trent do't for go. They cut him loose the next
year for Elvis Kirback. They wanted to get better. Okay,
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they felt like, okay, we need everything around Trent. But
he galvanized that team. He was the true leader. He
was the difference maker on a team. They were one
nowhere t Trent took over that year. Okay, and he
let him all those wins, but it wasn't good enough
even then. Think about that, Dan, it was a long
time ago. It wasn't even good enough. Then they had
a Super Bowl winning quarterback. They kicked them to the
curb to try to get better. This has been going,
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this thought process, Dan has been going on a long time.
The good isn't good enough at the quarterback position in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I need you to you gotta pace yourself because you
got to get ready for a Thursday. Here, mel I mean,
you're you're in first round mode right now.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
I don't know about that, Dan, the voice that always
goes by, You're right by Thursday. I get all fired
up this week and he start yelling and screaming, and
by Thursday, Friday and Saturday, you got nothing left. So
I'm with you. But hey, Dan, I could listen to
you say pace it. I've been listening to you say
pace it for about hell of may years and we've
been together.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Do I ever, Dan, listen to Dan Patrick?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I know, I know, I know. I think it's interesting though,
that your mock draft is saying this is your potential.
This is how you grade them, not what the philosophy
is of the teams. Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Philosophy?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
You want positions like I say, don't take a running
back in the first But I'm not going to grade
a kid like Ashton Genty or Amari and Hampton from
North Carolina and put him as my sixty fifth player
because I don't agree with taking your running back in
the first You great them based on their ability, and
that's why all those running backs were rated high. I
have a philosophy that people said was idiotic, Dan, and
now they're all agreeing with it. They all agree with it.
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Now you notice that how that's come full circle too.
They all said I was a nut. Now they say, oh,
you know, you shouldn't really draft a running back in
the first round unless you're one of those great teams
that just is missing the running back or that team
won the CUSP that's just missing a running back. Tell
me a team Dan in the top ten right now
doesn't think they're going to be a pretty good team
this coming year. Tell me a team that they are
going to be picking first next year. Tell me a
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team going into next year's this coming season it thinks, oh,
we're going to be the worst team in the league
next year. Tell me a coach in that building or
a player in that building they were a GM or
an older that believes that.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Okay, so to me, look at Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
They were within a whisker last year of beating Chicago
opening week of being the Jets. The second week they
ended up beating Houston. They had a lot of games
where they're just a mistake here or or a block
that wasn't made, or a drop pass whatever it may,
or penalty or whatever, or an interception to turnover.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
So again, this is a fine line.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Washington went from being a team that was nothing to
be because they had to hit with Jayden and Daniels,
And that tells you what we talk about a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
They hit with Jade Daniels and now look where they
are now. Look at the future of the Washington Commanders,
right I give Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Hey, you get a mulligan with Joe Burrow. You're not
getting two years with Joe Burrow where you don't make
the playoffs. You got an MVP quarterback, you better get
in the playoffs. I'll give you one year. I'm not
going to give you two. So once you get that guy,
you better win consistently.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Do you regret not being a GM in the NFL?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Not at all, Dan, though I had that chance to
get into the league when a great probably the best
I've never had in the NFL where we're all you
think about Ernie a Corsi general manager who was going
to bring me in at age twenty three before I
came to ESPN, Dan, he offered me the position to
come work for him, just do whatever, not as an
assistant GM like some have you know, erroneously said it
was just to be his assistant as a young kid
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coming in. If I need Kuiper to go wherever, I'll
send them if I need him to find out something else.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And I said great. He said, what do you want
to do?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
He said, just keep going through the eighty three draft,
will announce you. In July, I had the NFL security
come down and interview and go through all the process
to be accepted in and all that. So I was
gonna it was all going to happen. In July, Ernie
had drafted John Elway. Without his knowledge, er John Elway
was traded to Denver. There was talking about the Colts
leaving town. Ernie would obviously be leaving as well. He
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wasn't going to bring me in as his guy, knowing
the future is so uncertain for him with this organization.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
He called me in June, Dan and he said, no.
Speaker 10 (29:51):
I can't bring you in. I said, I said, okay,
what do you want me to do? He said, Hey,
nobody knows that I was going to do this. It
has n't go an announced to anybody. You've got a
great business going. Keep doing what you're doing. Everybody craves
that type of information.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
I did, and guess what, five months later, got a
call from ESPN to come up an interview for the job.
Got that started in nineteen eighty four. So without Ernie
caring about a twenty three year old kid, and he
would have just brought me in, I'd have been with
a cult hit a laugh. I'd have been gone at
some point espa able to have had another draft analyst,
and I don't know what the heck gotta be doing
right now, Dan, But that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Leads me to what happened with Brent Musberger. I campaigned
for him. I reached out to the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, the Pete Roseld Award. I'd like to do
the same with you. I think you should be in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I appreciate that, Dan, but I don't I really, I never.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I just believe there's so many people that just you
get your fortunate, you get a little lucky on your side.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
You're around great people. I was, Dan, work with.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You, all those you you changed, You changed an industry.
What you have meant to the NFL. Can it's a
different version of John Facenda, Like he was the voice
and you were the draft guy. Like, look at what
it's a cottage industry that you created that is contributions
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to the game. I know you're modest, I don't care.
I'm going forward with it. You you deserve to be
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
You do, Dan, your a great friend. Andy Poland has
been saying the same thing. I tell you, Andy, the
same thing you know, Andy, and he said he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I said, you know to me.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
You get into this and you see so many people
that were responsible with ESPN for what's happened.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
So you say I did this.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
ESPN really did it, Dan, because they televised this thing
when the NFL didn't want it to be televised.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Think about that.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Think about all the great producers that were from Bill
Fitz who offered me that position in eighty four, all
the way up John Wildhat.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
You think about what he did, Freddy Gadelli. Freddy Goadelli was.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Able to coach me along and teach me so many
things about this business. Jay Rothman, Brian Ryder, now, Robert Dampsky,
all the great producers.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Way you're giving your Hall of Fame speech. Waye.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Markman is believing in me all these years. Seth has
been a great friend. So all the ESPN guys, Dan,
they were responsible. And all the people that cut those
highlight packs, that all that worked behind they were responsible
for the draft sixce.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
That's keep in mind, Dan, ESPN televised draft before I
got here.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Okay, so the draft was on a ESPN because before
I became a part of the telecast, that changed.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You changed, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
But for John Fis said to what you just said,
the voice, that voice Dan pulled people into the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You're the hair, he's the voicemail.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
My great friend, you'll be great friends. George Jung right,
late great George Young, Calvert Hall's owned George Young, famous,
famous graduate of Calvert Hall history, great friend of mine.
Used write me handwritten notes after he got the book,
when suggestions and just thoughts. He'd called me during the
draft even and give me, get me to tell him
his opinion of what went on.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
George Young always said one couple of things. He said.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
First of all, when you draft a player is just
as important as who you select. So value is important.
He said to me, yours when I basically when I
started ESPN, you got it. You gotta get a voice,
coach mail, you gotta get that ball, you gotta get
that Baltimore accent out of that. You gotta lose that
Baltimore accent. George, I said, Charles, I'm not going I
gotta change it. Whatever I am, I am, and it's
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not it doesn't resonate, and his voice isn't getting done.
I'm not I can't change my voice. George, you got
to get that Baltimore accent and lose it. You're never
gonna have any chance. So it was funny all the
conversations I look back to with George and like Earady
of course, and my great friend Jack Faultner with the
rams was phenomenal back in the day.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Today, I mean, all the way, all the way through
my career between Jack.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Ernie George, save it for your Hall of Fame speech,
I would say, they give that up. You know, I
got a lot of people in the lake that hate me.
You know, I got a lot of a lot of people.
They have hated me for a long time.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
I do not think anything NFL related to the Hall
of Fame whatever, that will never work hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Dan No, Uh, I'd say, pace yourself, but you're not capable.
And uh, good to talk to you. As always.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We'll see you.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Thank you, appreciate it. Path take Everyboddy mel kiper draft expert.
That's that's full mel that's mel unplugged, forty second draft
and I think I've known him thirty five thirty six years.
He's been that way, He'll be that way wire to wire.
Before the draft you can listen to the final episodes
(34:19):
of the First Draft podcast with Melfield, Yates and my Greenberg,
available wherever you get your podcast well, close up Shop,
Last Call for Phone Calls, What we learn, What's in
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Speaker 1 (34:31):
Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition
of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern
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Speaker 2 (34:42):
Last Call for Phone Calls? What we learn? What's in
store tomorrow? This day in sports History, I have some
over unders here with DraftKings Draft picks, Shardoor Sanders. The
over under is eight and a half. I think it's
been that way for a while. But you have Jack
Dark twenty four and a half, Ashton genty six and
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a half, Mason Graham out of Michigan five and a half,
and Tyler Warren the tight end out of Penn State
over under nine and a half. For entertainment purposes only
this day in sports history, Paul, what do you.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Have for us soaking into that Ashton genty over under
for a little bit. That's wild Our all time favorite, Dan,
one of our all time favorites. This Day in Sports History.
Nineteen eighty runner Rosie Luiz won the Boston Marathon when
she crossed the finish line in a record time of
two hours and thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds.
After investigation, she was stripped to the honor with evidence
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showed that she didn't run the entire race. She slipped
in with about four miles to go.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It happens.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Why break the record?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, but you get greedy. You know, Bonds didn't need
to hit seventy three, Like if he hit sixty three,
then we might go, okay, seventy three. Uh uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
There's a great video of her after the race, I mean,
within a minute after the race, doing an interview, and
she is not very winded.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, let's see what happened on this date. M Joe Scarborough,
not that Joe Scarborough, Morning Joe or cup of Joe.
A fifty year old self employed electrical contractor. In twenty thirteen,
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he rolled the first nine hundred series in the history
of the Professional Bowlers Association. He opened up with three
straight perfect games thirty six consecutive strikes. Congratulations, Joe Scarborough.
That was twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
That's pretty impressct if you think about it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Well, hold on, let me think about it. Oh that
is impression thirty six straight. Yeah, good thing. I had
to think about it, or I wouldn't have thought it
was that always that.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
One pin that's wiggling and it doesn't fall for you.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Thank you to So we're heading to Green Bay, will
be there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and final results of the
poll question during the final hour of the program, Ton.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
We've got a couple.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
One of them was if I bought an expensive piece
of sports memorabilia like a jersey, I would eighty four
percent say frame it's a display in my Homer office,
twelve say sell it on eBay or something to make
a profit, three percent wear it in public from time
to time, one percent gifted to someone I know we'd
really love it. And the other one is who are
you rooting for to win the West? Thirty four percent
(37:34):
say Oklahoma City twenty five, Golden State twenty one, Lakers,
poud right behind twenty Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Thank you Todd doing the duties, I said, duties filling
in for Seaton Kevin in Austin, Hi, Kevin, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 11 (37:49):
Hey Dpe, thanks for fitting me in.
Speaker 12 (37:51):
I just I have a hard hitting question as known
to be used on your show. Of all the aerial
displays you've put on it and practice arenas, I believe
there was one in Prehoenix, the Dallas one you spoke of.
I didn't believe there was one at Indiana. And then
my one seed has to be the infamous U Mass.
Speaker 11 (38:13):
Shoot off that you had when Coach Kal was there.
What what would you what would you say?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Your number one?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Well, that one had to do with dunking. So there
was one in UMass. There was one at Marquette when
Kevin O'Neill was there and I was putting on an
aerial display. There was the one at Hinkle Field House
where George McGinnis, the great Indiana pacer, was going to
be my color analyst on a broadcast where we did
(38:42):
Wisconsin Green Bay believe or not. Tony Bennett was playing
in that game and he said, oh, you can dunk.
I said, well, I can do more than that, Georgia,
and then I said I cannot shoot you, and he's
like what I said, yes, but I'm not going to
do that because we're in Indiana and other place, George,
I'd probably try to embarrass you, but now I didn't
(39:04):
it would have been bad for his brand and Georgia
Hall of Fame Basketball very thoughtful. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, there
have been some moments and looks. I have nothing to
lose when I shoot against these guys, nothing and they
have everything to lose, and some of them lost some
credibility along the way. Jeremiah in Indiana, Hi, Jeremiah, how
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were you dp?
Speaker 11 (39:28):
Thanks for taking my call five to five and one
to ninety five. The best and worst of the weekend
is in the same event. Best was the Indiana Pacers
winning at home playoff game, first time at home in
over ten years. The worst and Adam Silver Commissioner Silver
(39:48):
was attendance for of it was the ten to eleven
to thirteen seconds it took for Joannis to shoot a
free throw. Can the NBA utilize the shot clock during
free throw shooting the game?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well, they're supposed to. It gets there. There's been a
pitch clock for a long long time in baseball. They
didn't institute it, they didn't enforce it, but you're supposed
to have ten seconds there. Matt in Wisconsin, Hi, Matt.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
Hey, Dan, this is Coach Hocket from UW Stevens Point
our passion buckets are full here with you coming into Wisconsin.
We're excited to come over and see I actually got
both of my kids with me. They wanted to say hello,
and we're driving over the Green Bay. Our best of
the weekend was we had a women's basketball bank with
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this past weekend. We made the NCAA tournament this past year.
But I joked with a local reporter, none of that
would happen without your commitment back in the fall. And
we're just so excited. We got some shirts for you
and the day nuts. We got a sweatshirt cooking for you,
and we actually my wife credit her. We have an
NCAA tournament participant, Dalli. And then the NCAA rep asked
(41:03):
me how many players do we have. I go seventeen.
She's kind of my director of operations. She hits me
and she goes, no, you have eighteen. You got to
get one for Dan. So we're gonna bring all that
over to you guys on Wednesday at the bar, and
we're just so excited to have you in Stevens Point,
in Green Bay and in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Thank you, coach. Look forward to seeing you and the family.
He's got to understand it's Doug Gottlieb's territory Wisconsin, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Stevens Point, What did I learn today?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
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Green Bay. He's there with the big German getting ready
for the broadcast Wednesday, Thursday and Friday from the bar
on Home grind Way. We hope that we have the
opportunity to say lo. We will have a new poll
question for the final hour of the program. Fitzi Fritzi
is doing the honors. We have results.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
If you're looking for those right now, you want to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Wait, all right? Thank you Fitzi for gone conclusion.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
The Celtics will represent the East in the NBA finals.
True Dad forty seven, Slow your role fifty three?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, what's the poll question for the final hour of
the program.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
That is TBA.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
We had the thunder one which was I think the
thunder will win the NBA title. Sure twenty three percent,
way too early, seventy seven percent. And we'll say we
could come up with for a clever final hour poll.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, you know how this works. There's a new poll
question each ower, t like, what else have you been doing?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It's kind of listening to you.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Follow up?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You're taking over for Seaton and he has a new
poll question each hour. Yeah, how about that. Yeah, we'll
come up with some eighty seven seven three DP show
email Addressdpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show a
couple of NBA notes here. The Pistons have dropped fifteen
consecutive playoff games. That's the longest postseason losing streak in
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NBA history. The last time Detroit won a playoff game
May twenty six of eight against the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Stand a Day, Stanaday, Stanaday, stand to day.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
This is the style of the day.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Stat of the Day brought to you by in Any America,
the official trading cards of the program and Oklahoma City
fifty one point win, the largest in a playoff game
since twenty fifteen. But John Morant vows that it'll be
different Game two, which is you know comforting to hear.
If I'm a Memphis fan. You imagine if he said
(02:25):
I don't know, it might be the same coming up
game two. You know, it's weird to say somebody is
in a must win situation, and we talk about this
a lot must win situation. Now, I feel like every
year is a must win situation for Lebron because Lebron
is chasing the ultimate goal, and that is to be
the greatest player in NBA history, and the only way
(02:46):
he accomplishes that is to win at least one more championship. Now,
another player, and I think he's in a must win
situation is Jimmy Butler. Because Jimmy Butler wanted out of Miami,
goes to Golden State. He's playoff Jimmy. You can wipe
away of the mess that you know he left in Miami.
(03:07):
And you imagine if he helps lead Golden State to
another championship, which means Steph Curry gets another championship, which
means he moves up the totem pole. But I think
the must win and I would put that in parentheses
but not capital letters, but must have a great end
(03:27):
result here, maybe you get to the the NBA Finals,
maybe you get to the Western Conference finals, but this
is why they bring you in. You're different in the postseason.
But I would think that those two if Boston doesn't
win it this year, I don't think Jalen Brown and
Jason Tatum are in a must win situation. I don't
(03:48):
think Donovan Mitchell's in it must win. Now you can
say Shay gilgis because he's going to be the MVP
and we've seen you know that in previous years. Hey,
what did you do in your MVP season? Because if
Shay Gilges just doesn't go to the NBA Finals, I
think the voters will go, we gave it to you.
(04:09):
We want to see you prove it. You've got to
do it again, but we want you to do that,
then we'll reward you the following season. I mean, they
did this to Joker Jannis. I don't think anybody is
expecting anything out of Giannis. But if you're looking at
must win situations, I would say probably Lebron because he's
chasing Mike and Jimmy Butler because he has a history
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of you know, wearing out his welcome. Steph, you know,
how many more years do you get this opportunity Draymond.
How many more years do you get this opportunity of
maybe playing for a championship And the key is Jimmy,
because Steph's going to be great. I mean, Draymond will
still do what he does, good and bad. You got
(04:53):
to get the you know, younger players to contribute, but
you got a chance to maybe play for another champ
And I would say that Jimmy is in a must
winnish situation along with Lebron chasing Mike.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna take Lebron off that list only
because I don't think he can get to where Mike is.
But Jimmy Butler to me is the one seed only
because of how it ended in Miami and the go
to Golden State with Stephen. With Draymond, I think they've
got to do it, and I think it's got to
be this year because since he's gotten there, they've played great.
(05:28):
Their seating is misleading. I don't mean for that, Ryan, Okay,
Their seating is misleading only because before he got there,
they were uh like on the cusp of you know,
the seventh seed. But since he's gotten there, I think
they're like twenty four and seven.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Wait, you don't think that there If Lebron wins another title, no,
like he can't, he can't surpass Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
No, I don't know, only only.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
If he let Okay, let's just say he wins another title.
At that age, now he's one less than Mike. I
know Mike never lost the NBA Finals, but Mike didn't
play in as many finals as Lebron did. Who did
lose NBA finals, You'd have a hard time convincing me
greatest basketball career of all time. And maybe that's not
(06:16):
fair to say it that way, because I would put
Kareem in there as having the greatest basketball career of
all time. I think he lost one or two games
in high school. How many games he lose in college?
He didn't get to play his freshman year they won
all three national championships when he lose two games. And
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then you go into the NBA and yes, did he
get to a point where he's overshadowed by Oscar as
his point guard and then Magic as his point gude, Yes,
that happens to the big man because they need, you know, facilitator.
You'd be hard pressed to convince me that Mike is
a better basketball player than Lebron. If Lebron wins a
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title at this age, I just have a hard time.
I think you gotta be fair as much as we
hold on to our memories, and that's what this is.
Nobody talks that Mike didn't go to the playoffs there,
you know, one and done in the playoffs there. Oh,
we didn't have a good team. Look at Lebron's team
that went to the finals against the Spurs. Did Michael
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Jordan ever have a team that was that bad? And
you would, once again, you'd be hard pressed. But I
think that Lebron what he's done, like you know, everything
start to finish, and he lived up to the hype.
Mike didn't have hype. Mike was He wont even the
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best player at Carolina. James Worthy was considered the best
player Lebron from fifteen to forty as much as I
loved and I was there with Jordan when he won
those titles. Now this is what you're going to get. Well,
who would you want game on the line? Okay, does
(08:00):
that make you the best player? Because we totally blew
past Bill Russell? He never lost in the finals, did
he He won eleven titles? He won two titles in college.
Wait wait, wait, well no, it doesn't work that way.
Why not Russell's the greatest winner of all time. He
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just you know, wasn't a brand. He didn't have shoes,
he didn't appear in movie. You know, he was just
Bill Russell. He was going to a press conference for
civil rights, you know, like all right, yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
With the Michael Lebron argument, see, I would get real
like geekish and start talking about there was no wasted
movements and when Michael Jordan had the ball, as soon
as he got the ball, he went right to work.
He had great footwork, great fundamentals on top of extreme athleticism.
So maybe I'm just going a little bit too deep
because people a going to say, oh six and oho.
So there's a lot of people with not a lot
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of people, but there's people with six championship Robert or
you got seven.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay, But we all know that Mike was great. We
all know what he could do with the besketball. I
just don't think we're fair to Lebron because people you know,
you got Skip Bayless, who has criticized Lebron forever, and
you know, therefore it's like opens no one was criticizing Mike.
No one even now, no one criticizes Mike. You got
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guys who played against him who're afraid to criticize him.
Now I get the ultimate respect. I just what Lebron
has done, as I mean, it's remarkable, and I don't
think that we give him enough credit. I don't. It
might be after the fact, it might be ten years
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after the fact when people look back and go, cow
dude scored forty thousand. He plays the fact that he
hadn't won an MVP since won twenty twelve. I mean, yam,
I just I think he's been taken for granted. Now
can we nitpick? Yes, Russell wasn't a good offensive player,
(10:16):
will you know? It was a malcontent who took himself
out of I mean, we go down the list there,
but that's Larry Bird's career wasn't long enough, you know,
That's the thing. I you know, we tend to do
this and then all of a sudden you bring somebody down.
Oh they couldn't do he didn't do he clutch, he
was he free throws he you know, And yes, if
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I had one game to win, do I want Mike
or Lebron I want Mike, but that doesn't mean that
he's a better player or certainly had a better career
than Lebron because Joe Montana won four, didn't lose, but
he's not considered the best quarterback of all time. Mahomes
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has already passed him, and he's lost in the Super
Bowl a couple of times. I just we pick and
choose with our arguments and I and you know, I
understand that it's a hot take world here. I just
think we won't be as we're not going to be
fair to Lebron until after the fact.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yeah point, Unlike you, most Jordanists are unflexible or they
have no flexibility about Michael Jordan. They don't even like
to have the topic and discuss Lebron because it's like
resume versus playing ability. Those are two different things. The
best resume in quarterback history is Tom Brady, and it's
really not that close.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
If you said who is the best ever.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
At playing the position, you could I think people can
make the case for Damn ma Reno, but his resume
is nowhere close to some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, we just we get caught up in you know,
that's my childhood or you know that that I followed
the NBA then, and you know everybody rooted for the
Bulls even when they came to your hometown. I mean,
that's rare that that happens in a team game that
you were okay if your team lost to the Bulls.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
And the thing is, I'm not anti Lebron. I think
he's gonna have behind Kareem the second greatest career ever,
as far as in the NBA's second gradest career ever,
because look, I saw Lebron at the end of his
sophomore year. There's an article in Slam magazine is that
the best player in high school basketball just finished the
tenth grade. So I saw it from the beginning. And
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in his junior year he was on the cover Sports Illustrated.
And to d what he's done is unbelievable because you
see all these guys outside of Tiger Woods that had
this type of hype going in and they didn't live
up to it, and Lebron has.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, but imagine if Lebron had passed the ball to
Steve Kerr, if Lebron had passed the ball to John Paxson,
that happened Lebron. I mean Mike didn't take those shots
they did. Imagine if Lebron doesn't even get credit for
the bubble, everybody there was no advantage playing in the bubble. Yeah,
(13:05):
but he won in the bubble. It's a neutral sight.
It would have had Home courted Vin. It's actually more impressive,
Like what are we doing? It wasn't like some.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
NBA players are in the bubble and others just weren't there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
See, that's where it gets silly. Mike didn't take those
last shots. Steve Kerr did. John Paxson did.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
Killed him out.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Now you said, man, Michael, what a genius. You know
it took the double game and threw it to Steep
Like we can create whatever we want to create. Nobody
brings up when Mike didn't make the finals. What happened
in those seasons? Would you rather have somebody who got
you to the postseason, to the finals? Yeah, but Mike
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didn't lose. No, he lost earlier.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yes, mar And people always say because they don't like Lebron, Oh,
goats don't get swept. I said, Cream got swept and
Magic got swept. Berg got swept. But because it wasn't
in the finals, it doesn't mean that much. So would
you rather lose in the second round where people really
don't care that much, or the finals people pick and choose.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
There's breaking news. I don't think anybody saw this coming.
Cooper Flag is going pro?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
What? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Easy, I'll say it slower. Cooper Flag is going pro.
I'm gonna probably need another source on this, but sources
close to me tell me that Cooper Flag is going pro. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
Remember a month ago we had coach Cyron from Duke
and you asked him have you had a conversation about
him staying or going? And he said no, No, like
the conversation happened when he chose to attend Duke.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I ask him, are you going to have a conversation
with him? No? All right? I think didn't con Canipple
announce that he was going pro before Cooper Flag did?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Uh, okay, yeah, I know, I know. Let me take
a break. Mel Kiper Draft Expert's going to join us
coming up next year, Dan Patrick Show.
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the program. Why do so many opinions seem to shift
based on stuff that's not from actual games that these
players play.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It's college to prod and that's what makes it so
so difficult.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
You're seeing guys play in college against players who will
not be in the National Football League, so you're not
getting apples to apples. In some games, you want to
watch an offensive tackle, but the defensive ends going on
the right side or left side, opposite where the player
you want the one on one to be, So you
get little snippets, okay, snapshots here and there of a
player against another great player. That's why senior bowl practices
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are so important, because you're getting good on good. You
don't get that in college on a regular basis, so
a lot of times the stats.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Can be skewed.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
One way, you can have great numbers against I call
am aog sdan another occupation. Guys, that's what they are,
you know, they're aogs. That's what you go up against
in college. I can win that phrase years ago. That's
what it is because that's college football. That's the same
thing when you talk about high school. It's tough to
go from one level to the next and be accurate
with you evaluation. So when you end end today, it's
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over evaluation too, because you're talking about so much time
between the end of the season until late April that
you do kind of overthink it and you do factor
in things that maybe shouldn't be as heavily weighed because
it's so much time and it is level to a
different level, and you have to look at everything possible
to try to make a good, good evaluation. And certainly, Dan,
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a lot of scouts believe in general managers. Later in
the draft, take the talented kids, Bill Polly and Hall
of Fame. We're always told him, no, take the talented
guys later in the draft. The guys are call him
under achievers, Dan, but they have a big time skill set.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
And for one reason or another they got dinged in
the process a bit.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Take those kind of guys in the fifth, sixth, seventh
round or bring him in his undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
How do you grade Travis Hunter considering there's two positions.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
He's a hard It's a hard decision on wide receiver
and corner when you have other players.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
That are fully invested in that one spot.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
So you say, Okay, Travis didn't play just reiver, he
didn't play just corner.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
He was out there every play, every snap.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
That to me prevents him from being as good at
one or the other that he could be. So even
with that said, Dan, he's my number one wide receiver
and he's my number one corner, and it's amazing that
he would just focus on one position how great he
could be.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So to me, Travis is as.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Unique as any player in the history of the draft
because he is going to play both ways.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Right away, Dion said it perfectly.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You're not going to have a drive at the end
of the first half, or a drive in the fourth quarter,
or two drives in the fourth quarter, settling that game
that outcome and have Travis Hunter standing on the sidelines
when our cornerbacks are getting beaten in the quarterbacks, driving
his team right down the field against my defense. You
can't have that. So Diana is perfectly correct. He's a
thousand percent correct on that. This kid's got to play
both ways.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Do you love or love love Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like really loved Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I tried to be loyal to what like I said
August and what I thought throughout their careers. And I
understand if you want Dan somebody who looks the part,
I call them ltpeers.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's what they are.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
There are ltpers.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
There's a couple other guys that that's positioned that are
more physically gifted. Okay, when I talk about arm strength,
when I talk about just imposing size, the rocket arm,
the four to six speed, there are other quarterbacks that
have that. Dan, if you want that, take those guys.
If you want a kid who can just surgically take
a team down the field, pick you apart, see things,
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recognize things, diagnose, make decisions that are sound. Also, get
the ball to accurate points and precise points to a receiver,
and hang in tough in that pocket, take hits and
keep getting up. Don't point fingers, don't assign blame. Win
football games. He didn't have a running game for two
years of Colorado. Dan his leading rusher, upset it for
the last month. His leading rusher the last two years,
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the two top running backs in this draft, Jent and Hampton,
would have had more yards in a game and.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
A half then they had the whole year.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Think about that and an offensive line, Dan, you saw
that offensive line that was a bad group in twenty
twenty three, a little bit better in twenty four. But
bottom line is he had no chance, and a lot
of those snaps he had no shot. So I give
him a lot of credit, Dan, But if he's not
the guy that you want physically, and you can't reconcile
taking a guy that high, I get it. But does
that not mean that, hey, in the mid late first round,
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he can't be a heck of a pick.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And all this notion too, Dan, Well, if.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You love them, or you'll like them, whatever, if you'll
just like them, you can't take them.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Well, I give you an example.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
In nineteen eighty four, Dan, my first year at ESPN,
I had Boomer Assias and the third highest rated player
on my board right now.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Schador is at five. By the way. Okay, So say
Shaudor goes in the late first.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Think it was in a second what an idiot Kuiper
is right, he had Well, guess what Boomer was. Three
Bengals had three picks in the first round. Dan, I'm
sitting there, first year at ESPN. You know what's going
through my head.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I'm one and done. I'm sitting there with Boom. I'm
sitting there with Chris Berman, Boomer and Bob Lee. I'm
thinking now, I'm not gonna be back for the nineteen eighty.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Five d My third highest rated players there, and the
Bengals passed them three times, Dan, and two of those
three were bus They took him in the second round.
Now to that philosophy, if you didn't like him enough
to take him with your first three picks in there,
why are you taking him in the second round. He's
gonna be your quarterback. He's gonna be the guy, whether
he was the first second round or he's your guy
moving forward. You didn't even like him enough to take
ahead of Rickey Hunley, Pete Kotch and Brian Blados. Okay,
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so again, I don't buy into any of that nonsense.
Brett Fahr was like highly rated player went in the
second round, right, Look what happened with him.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Aaron Rodgers was supposed to go number one. Three.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
We will full of draft that slid to twenty four,
the six of the eight sliding picks on terms of
my rankings over the last yeah, since nineteen seventy Dan
I went all the way back to nineteen seventy sixty
eight hit six of the eight sliding quarterbacks hit. So
maybe Schador will be one of the six that does
really well.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
We're talking to Mel Kuiper, Draft Expert forty second NFL
Draft and you can see ESPN with every pick there
that'll be Thursday through Saturday. It'll be a mel and
Field Ags Mike Greenberg the First Draft podcast as well
with mel Kiper. Help me understand this then, I know
we get it. We fall in love with quarterbacks. But
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if I say to a team that guy right there
that you're going to take, it's not a quarterback, but
he's going to be a future Hall of famer. But
instead you'll roll the dice on cam Ward and cam
can be maybe he's a Hall of famer. But if
you said Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, you know there's a
couple of guys in here that you go. Chances are
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they could be the safest pick and be a future
Hall of Famer. But we're gonna roll the dice on
cam Ward. He explain the logic there at the top
of the draft. It's a arm talent, Dan, it's the trades.
It's that skill set that Brian Callahan.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I listened to an interview with Brian Callahan and he said,
I want a quarterback and everybody in the stadium those
we're throwing a ball and throw the ball and deliver
a pass and complete it.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I want a guy that's wired, right.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
I want a guy that, certainly you know, can be
not just good, because he said he said just good,
just good.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's not good enough.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Dan, it's been told to us. Listen to what they're saying.
I don't want to go that's just good. They want
Joe Burrow, they want Jaydon Dan. He mentioned Joe Burrow
and Jadan Daniels in an interview. That's what he's shooting for.
He's not shooting I said this for the last couple
of years, Dan, the singles in double days for quarterbacks
are over. This is and even maybe even a triple.
You want a Grand Slam or a home runner. You
don't want that guy, Dan. So what they're doing now
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is they're just keeping taking shots. They're taking shots. If
my guy's not a triple, triple double or a triple
home run or Grand Slam, he's just a double or single,
just good, then I gotta get better.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I gotta get better.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
And the one phrase that came out of everybody's mouth
this last couple of years is I want a quarterback,
my quarterback to play at consistently high level.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Well, they're looking at great then, right, Yeah, consistently high level?
Who does that? Dan?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Patrick does it every day because he's a Hall of Famer,
bottom line knows does these quarterbacks do it every day?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Consistently high level?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
And that's where again, you look at what we're doing here.
If we got a quarterback and we think he could
be good, but we got to get better.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
This kid has the arm talent.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Shador Sanders doesn't have the rocket arm, doesn't have the
four to six beeding. This is the six three two thirty.
Cam Ward has the rocket arm, has maneuver ability and creativity.
The GM was with Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has a
lot of creativity and a live arm. They all see
a little bit elements of the quarterback. They were with
with a quarterback, they're going to select and I think
they see some elements there of what Mahomes does to
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the way cam Ward does or doesn't do it that way.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
That's why cam Ward goes.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm sure, Like, are you sure that cam Ward is
going to be more successful or as successful as Travis Hunter?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
No? No, I don't think anybody can be sure of.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So mightn't take that guy. That's a generational talent there.
This is what I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Well, you can't do.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
You have to have It's the most important position in
all sports, this quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Okay, so you got to keep taking chances.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
I always say, if you don't have that quarterback, then
you're spinning your wheels.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
They got Joe Burrow in Cincinnati didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Okay, so you are. You can have all these pieces.
That's what they said. And I was a big Trent
Dilford supporter. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Ironically, you're
in Baltimore, right, My homes have worn and raised in Baltimore.
I right, how it all came full circle for me.
But people say, well, you needed everything around. They'd let
Trent do't for go. They cut him loose the next
year for Elvis Kirback. They wanted to get better. Okay,
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they felt like, okay, we need everything around Trent. But
he galvanized that team. He was the true leader. He
was the difference maker on a team. They were one
nowhere t Trent took over that year. Okay, and he
let him all those wins, but it wasn't good enough
even then. Think about that, Dan, it was a long
time ago. It wasn't even good enough. Then they had
a Super Bowl winning quarterback. They kicked them to the
curb to try to get better. This has been going,
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this thought process, Dan has been going on a long time.
The good isn't good enough at the quarterback position in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I need you to you gotta pace yourself because you
got to get ready for a Thursday. Here, mel I mean,
you're you're in first round mode right now.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
I don't know about that, Dan, the voice that always
goes by, You're right by Thursday. I get all fired
up this week and he start yelling and screaming, and
by Thursday, Friday and Saturday, you got nothing left. So
I'm with you. But hey, Dan, I could listen to
you say pace it. I've been listening to you say
pace it for about hell of may years and we've
been together.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Do I ever, Dan, listen to Dan Patrick?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I know, I know, I know. I think it's interesting though,
that your mock draft is saying this is your potential.
This is how you grade them, not what the philosophy
is of the teams. Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Philosophy?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
You want positions like I say, don't take a running
back in the first But I'm not going to grade
a kid like Ashton Genty or Amari and Hampton from
North Carolina and put him as my sixty fifth player
because I don't agree with taking your running back in
the first You great them based on their ability, and
that's why all those running backs were rated high. I
have a philosophy that people said was idiotic, Dan, and
now they're all agreeing with it. They all agree with it.
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Now you notice that how that's come full circle too.
They all said I was a nut. Now they say, oh,
you know, you shouldn't really draft a running back in
the first round unless you're one of those great teams
that just is missing the running back or that team
won the CUSP that's just missing a running back. Tell
me a team Dan in the top ten right now
doesn't think they're going to be a pretty good team
this coming year. Tell me a team that they are
going to be picking first next year. Tell me a
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team going into next year's this coming season it thinks, oh,
we're going to be the worst team in the league
next year. Tell me a coach in that building or
a player in that building they were a GM or
an older that believes that.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Okay, so to me, look at Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
They were within a whisker last year of beating Chicago
opening week of being the Jets. The second week they
ended up beating Houston. They had a lot of games
where they're just a mistake here or or a block
that wasn't made, or a drop pass whatever it may,
or penalty or whatever, or an interception to turnover.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
So again, this is a fine line.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Washington went from being a team that was nothing to
be because they had to hit with Jayden and Daniels,
And that tells you what we talk about a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
They hit with Jade Daniels and now look where they
are now. Look at the future of the Washington Commanders,
right I give Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Hey, you get a mulligan with Joe Burrow. You're not
getting two years with Joe Burrow where you don't make
the playoffs. You got an MVP quarterback, you better get
in the playoffs. I'll give you one year. I'm not
going to give you two. So once you get that guy,
you better win consistently.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Do you regret not being a GM in the NFL?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Not at all, Dan, though I had that chance to
get into the league when a great probably the best
I've never had in the NFL where we're all you
think about Ernie a Corsi general manager who was going
to bring me in at age twenty three before I
came to ESPN, Dan, he offered me the position to
come work for him, just do whatever, not as an
assistant GM like some have you know, erroneously said it
was just to be his assistant as a young kid
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coming in. If I need Kuiper to go wherever, I'll
send them if I need him to find out something else.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And I said great. He said, what do you want
to do?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
He said, just keep going through the eighty three draft,
will announce you. In July, I had the NFL security
come down and interview and go through all the process
to be accepted in and all that. So I was
gonna it was all going to happen. In July, Ernie
had drafted John Elway. Without his knowledge, er John Elway
was traded to Denver. There was talking about the Colts
leaving town. Ernie would obviously be leaving as well. He
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wasn't going to bring me in as his guy, knowing
the future is so uncertain for him with this organization.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
He called me in June, Dan and he said, no.
Speaker 10 (29:51):
I can't bring you in. I said, I said, okay,
what do you want me to do? He said, Hey,
nobody knows that I was going to do this. It
has n't go an announced to anybody. You've got a
great business going. Keep doing what you're doing. Everybody craves
that type of information.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
I did, and guess what, five months later, got a
call from ESPN to come up an interview for the job.
Got that started in nineteen eighty four. So without Ernie
caring about a twenty three year old kid, and he
would have just brought me in, I'd have been with
a cult hit a laugh. I'd have been gone at
some point espa able to have had another draft analyst,
and I don't know what the heck gotta be doing
right now, Dan, But that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Leads me to what happened with Brent Musberger. I campaigned
for him. I reached out to the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, the Pete Roseld Award. I'd like to do
the same with you. I think you should be in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I appreciate that, Dan, but I don't I really, I never.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I just believe there's so many people that just you
get your fortunate, you get a little lucky on your side.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
You're around great people. I was, Dan, work with.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You, all those you you changed, You changed an industry.
What you have meant to the NFL. Can it's a
different version of John Facenda, Like he was the voice
and you were the draft guy. Like, look at what
it's a cottage industry that you created that is contributions
(31:08):
to the game. I know you're modest, I don't care.
I'm going forward with it. You you deserve to be
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
You do, Dan, your a great friend. Andy Poland has
been saying the same thing. I tell you, Andy, the
same thing you know, Andy, and he said he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I said, you know to me.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
You get into this and you see so many people
that were responsible with ESPN for what's happened.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
So you say I did this.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
ESPN really did it, Dan, because they televised this thing
when the NFL didn't want it to be televised.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Think about that.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Think about all the great producers that were from Bill
Fitz who offered me that position in eighty four, all
the way up John Wildhat.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
You think about what he did, Freddy Gadelli. Freddy Goadelli was.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Able to coach me along and teach me so many
things about this business. Jay Rothman, Brian Ryder, now, Robert Dampsky,
all the great producers.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Way you're giving your Hall of Fame speech. Waye.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Markman is believing in me all these years. Seth has
been a great friend. So all the ESPN guys, Dan,
they were responsible. And all the people that cut those
highlight packs, that all that worked behind they were responsible
for the draft sixce.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
That's keep in mind, Dan, ESPN televised draft before I
got here.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Okay, so the draft was on a ESPN because before
I became a part of the telecast, that changed.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You changed, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
But for John Fis said to what you just said,
the voice, that voice Dan pulled people into the NFL.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You're the hair, he's the voicemail.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
My great friend, you'll be great friends. George Jung right,
late great George Young, Calvert Hall's owned George Young, famous,
famous graduate of Calvert Hall history, great friend of mine.
Used write me handwritten notes after he got the book,
when suggestions and just thoughts. He'd called me during the
draft even and give me, get me to tell him
his opinion of what went on.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
George Young always said one couple of things. He said.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
First of all, when you draft a player is just
as important as who you select. So value is important.
He said to me, yours when I basically when I
started ESPN, you got it. You gotta get a voice,
coach mail, you gotta get that ball, you gotta get
that Baltimore accent out of that. You gotta lose that
Baltimore accent. George, I said, Charles, I'm not going I
gotta change it. Whatever I am, I am, and it's
(33:09):
not it doesn't resonate, and his voice isn't getting done.
I'm not I can't change my voice. George, you got
to get that Baltimore accent and lose it. You're never
gonna have any chance. So it was funny all the
conversations I look back to with George and like Earady
of course, and my great friend Jack Faultner with the
rams was phenomenal back in the day.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Today, I mean, all the way, all the way through
my career between Jack.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Ernie George, save it for your Hall of Fame speech,
I would say, they give that up. You know, I
got a lot of people in the lake that hate me.
You know, I got a lot of a lot of people.
They have hated me for a long time.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
I do not think anything NFL related to the Hall
of Fame whatever, that will never work hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Dan No, Uh, I'd say, pace yourself, but you're not capable.
And uh, good to talk to you. As always.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We'll see you.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Thank you, appreciate it. Path take Everyboddy mel kiper draft expert.
That's that's full mel that's mel unplugged, forty second draft
and I think I've known him thirty five thirty six years.
He's been that way, He'll be that way wire to wire.
Before the draft you can listen to the final episodes
(34:19):
of the First Draft podcast with Melfield, Yates and my Greenberg,
available wherever you get your podcast well, close up Shop,
Last Call for Phone Calls, What we learn, What's in
store tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition
of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern
six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Last Call for Phone Calls? What we learn? What's in
store tomorrow? This day in sports History, I have some
over unders here with DraftKings Draft picks, Shardoor Sanders. The
over under is eight and a half. I think it's
been that way for a while. But you have Jack
Dark twenty four and a half, Ashton genty six and
(35:04):
a half, Mason Graham out of Michigan five and a half,
and Tyler Warren the tight end out of Penn State
over under nine and a half. For entertainment purposes only
this day in sports history, Paul, what do you.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Have for us soaking into that Ashton genty over under
for a little bit. That's wild Our all time favorite, Dan,
one of our all time favorites. This Day in Sports History.
Nineteen eighty runner Rosie Luiz won the Boston Marathon when
she crossed the finish line in a record time of
two hours and thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds.
After investigation, she was stripped to the honor with evidence
(35:39):
showed that she didn't run the entire race. She slipped
in with about four miles to go.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It happens.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Why break the record?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, but you get greedy. You know, Bonds didn't need
to hit seventy three, Like if he hit sixty three,
then we might go, okay, seventy three. Uh uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
There's a great video of her after the race, I mean,
within a minute after the race, doing an interview, and
she is not very winded.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, let's see what happened on this date. M Joe Scarborough,
not that Joe Scarborough, Morning Joe or cup of Joe.
A fifty year old self employed electrical contractor. In twenty thirteen,
(36:27):
he rolled the first nine hundred series in the history
of the Professional Bowlers Association. He opened up with three
straight perfect games thirty six consecutive strikes. Congratulations, Joe Scarborough.
That was twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
That's pretty impressct if you think about it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Well, hold on, let me think about it. Oh that
is impression thirty six straight. Yeah, good thing. I had
to think about it, or I wouldn't have thought it
was that always that.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
One pin that's wiggling and it doesn't fall for you.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Thank you to So we're heading to Green Bay, will
be there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and final results of the
poll question during the final hour of the program, Ton.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
We've got a couple.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
One of them was if I bought an expensive piece
of sports memorabilia like a jersey, I would eighty four
percent say frame it's a display in my Homer office,
twelve say sell it on eBay or something to make
a profit, three percent wear it in public from time
to time, one percent gifted to someone I know we'd
really love it. And the other one is who are
you rooting for to win the West? Thirty four percent
(37:34):
say Oklahoma City twenty five, Golden State twenty one, Lakers,
poud right behind twenty Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Thank you Todd doing the duties, I said, duties filling
in for Seaton Kevin in Austin, Hi, Kevin, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 11 (37:49):
Hey Dpe, thanks for fitting me in.
Speaker 12 (37:51):
I just I have a hard hitting question as known
to be used on your show. Of all the aerial
displays you've put on it and practice arenas, I believe
there was one in Prehoenix, the Dallas one you spoke of.
I didn't believe there was one at Indiana. And then
my one seed has to be the infamous U Mass.
Speaker 11 (38:13):
Shoot off that you had when Coach Kal was there.
What what would you what would you say?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Your number one?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Well, that one had to do with dunking. So there
was one in UMass. There was one at Marquette when
Kevin O'Neill was there and I was putting on an
aerial display. There was the one at Hinkle Field House
where George McGinnis, the great Indiana pacer, was going to
be my color analyst on a broadcast where we did
(38:42):
Wisconsin Green Bay believe or not. Tony Bennett was playing
in that game and he said, oh, you can dunk.
I said, well, I can do more than that, Georgia,
and then I said I cannot shoot you, and he's
like what I said, yes, but I'm not going to
do that because we're in Indiana and other place, George,
I'd probably try to embarrass you, but now I didn't
(39:04):
it would have been bad for his brand and Georgia
Hall of Fame Basketball very thoughtful. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, there
have been some moments and looks. I have nothing to
lose when I shoot against these guys, nothing and they
have everything to lose, and some of them lost some
credibility along the way. Jeremiah in Indiana, Hi, Jeremiah, how
(39:26):
were you dp?
Speaker 11 (39:28):
Thanks for taking my call five to five and one
to ninety five. The best and worst of the weekend
is in the same event. Best was the Indiana Pacers
winning at home playoff game, first time at home in
over ten years. The worst and Adam Silver Commissioner Silver
(39:48):
was attendance for of it was the ten to eleven
to thirteen seconds it took for Joannis to shoot a
free throw. Can the NBA utilize the shot clock during
free throw shooting the game?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well, they're supposed to. It gets there. There's been a
pitch clock for a long long time in baseball. They
didn't institute it, they didn't enforce it, but you're supposed
to have ten seconds there. Matt in Wisconsin, Hi, Matt.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
Hey, Dan, this is Coach Hocket from UW Stevens Point
our passion buckets are full here with you coming into Wisconsin.
We're excited to come over and see I actually got
both of my kids with me. They wanted to say hello,
and we're driving over the Green Bay. Our best of
the weekend was we had a women's basketball bank with
(40:39):
this past weekend. We made the NCAA tournament this past year.
But I joked with a local reporter, none of that
would happen without your commitment back in the fall. And
we're just so excited. We got some shirts for you
and the day nuts. We got a sweatshirt cooking for you,
and we actually my wife credit her. We have an
NCAA tournament participant, Dalli. And then the NCAA rep asked
(41:03):
me how many players do we have. I go seventeen.
She's kind of my director of operations. She hits me
and she goes, no, you have eighteen. You got to
get one for Dan. So we're gonna bring all that
over to you guys on Wednesday at the bar, and
we're just so excited to have you in Stevens Point,
in Green Bay and in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Thank you, coach. Look forward to seeing you and the family.
He's got to understand it's Doug Gottlieb's territory Wisconsin, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Stevens Point, What did I learn today?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Todd mel Kiper Junior loves your door, has him five
in his big board, saysys An LTP.
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