March 7, 2025 • 42 mins
Ross Tucker fills in for DP today and talks to FOX Sports betting guru Jordan Schultz breaks down the growing trend of trade permissions and why the Browns' refusal to meet with Myles Garrett could spell trouble. College hoops insider Jon Rothstein explains why college basketball seeding has never meant less and how Rick Pitino has revived St. John's. And NFL insider Greg Cosell breaks down why Cam Ward is the most physically gifted QB in the draft and dives into the challenges of evaluating QBs in today's NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
If you haven't been paying attention, this guy has established
himself as one of the premier NFL insiders for Fox Sports.
He's the host of the Weekly Football show on Instagram.
Why is Draymond Green talking about football with Jordan Schultz?
I love that name every Thursday at seven thirty pm
Eastern Time. Jordan. Always great to see you. Appreciate you
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coming on the show greatly. I gotta start with this man.
This trade permission stuff. I don't really remember this being
that big of a deal. It feels like this offseason
the Rams started with Matthew Stafford. I've honestly lost track
at this point of how many guys have been given
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permission to seek a trade? What is going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, it's out of control.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It's not just given permission ross it's to seek a trade.
It's given permission to explore a trade or are there
other teams interested in?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What it become is the new in vogue thing to do.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
And what you'll notice is a lot of the players
that would otherwise be released are now being given permission
to seek a trade or talk to other teams. And
it's funny because just getting back from Indy last week,
that was one of the topics that continue to come
up with clubs, not something that they like. Very annoyed
that they can't just flat out release a guy when
they know very honestly and openly that the best they're
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gonna get for someone might be a seventh round pick.
They would rather just flat out release the dude, give
him the opportunity to go sign elsewhere and then be
done with them. But given the circumstances of the cap,
the fact that free agency is upon us, guys want
as many options as possible, and as a result of it,
you're seeing this permission to seek a trade, and it's
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really become out of control.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All Right, So Stafford ended up going back to the RAMS,
and it never really seem like he was gonna leave.
I never really thought he was gonna leave. I know,
maybe you'll tell me and other people will say it
was close to happening, but I just didn't for a
lot of reasons. I didn't think it made sense for
the RAM, and I think it made sense for Stafford.
What about some of these more well known guys like
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DK Metcalf Trey Hendrickson. It sounds like people think those
guys are are much more likely to be on new teams.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Okay, so in terms of Metcalf, there are I would
say I would put him being traded a higher percentage
than Trey Henderson and I'll start, and the reason is
because I think both Seattle and Metcalf know that this
has been brewing for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It actually goes back to last year.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And it's not that Metcalf isn't happy, but I think
both sides are looking for a fresh start, and you know,
DK is gonna fetch a significant price. I don't know
if it's gonna be a one. I don't know if
it's gonna be a two and a four. I don't
believe it's gonna be a one and a three. But
the problem is for both him Hendrickson, is that because
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these guys are bringing in players, the team trading for
them not only has to give up the asset or
assets draft capital to get the player, they then have
to pay the player. And both of these guys are
seeking significant contract extensions. In Metcalf's case, just turned twenty eight.
Hendrickson is thirty. Obviously in all Pro I think Metcalf
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gets traded first. I'm not sure if Hendrickson gets traded.
I talked about the Chargers being in on DK. I've
heard the Raiders Packers among many other clubs, and Hendrickson's case, Ross,
I would say that you have to get owner Mike
Brown on board. These organizations are run significantly differently. In
Seattle you have John Schneider, who really has full autonomy
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from the owner Jody Allen. In Cincinnati you have Mike Brown,
who he in essence, is running the show. Duke Tobin's
the GM, but he has nowhere near the type of
autonomy at Schneider has in Seattle. So if you're asking
me about both of those guys, I'd say there's a
better chance of seeing DK get traded, and I would
imagine even if both of them ultimately get dealt that
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Metcalf happens first.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Talking with NFL insider Jordan Schultz does a terrific job
for Fox Sports. The Hendrick Singh thing is very interesting, yeah, Jordan,
because it felt like after the Max Crosby contract came out,
it kind of felt like the Bengals were throwing in
the towel. I do not envision them giving him that
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type of contract. So when you say you think there's
a better chance DK gets traded, do you think that
the Bengals might try to play hardball with Hendrickson and
making out this last year.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, they have been.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
In fact, if you actually trace Hendrickson back the last
year he was he already requested a trade and went nowhere.
And so they have been meeting and delegating over the
past few weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And he was in Cincinnati yesterday.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
He went to the facility, met with the entire organization,
met with the Bengals brass and basically talked through it
because he got an offer that was significantly below market
value two weeks ago. And I think what happened was
Cincinnati really had to talk Hendrickson off a ledge, hoping
that he wouldn't request the trade, and then they met
yesterday seeing if they could find Tomin Brown. They ultimately didn't.
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You know, he's been a staple within that organization. You know,
he's a first team All Pro. But they also have
Jamar Chase and t Higgins to deal with, and they
still want to extend Mike Caseki to tiede end and
obviously Burrow wants all these guys back, but you can't
pay everyone. And if you're the Bengals, this is not
an organization flus with with gas Ross, So Hendrickson I
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believe would sign somewhere in the midst and somewhere in
the middle of three years eighty five to ninety. I
know he would love one hundred. It's not realistic. Cincinnati,
I'll'll say, without giving you specific numbers, is nowhere near
that number. In fact, I'll give you this, I don't
believe Cincinnati has come over this seventy million dollar threshold.
So that tells you how far away they are. And
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as a result, you have to make a decision. If
you're the Bengals, Ross, do you Trey Trey Hendrickson or
do you simply try to find a number and go
up where Really you don't want to do that, knowing
again that you had the receivers to deal with.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Right, as I said earlier in the show, Jordan, I
have no sympathy. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
They really worked on any of these deals over the
last couple of years and gotten ahead of this thing,
totally gotten them done. It's interesting, though, that you mentioned
Hendrickson meeting with the entire Bengals organization because there was
news out this morning that Miles Garrett requested a meeting
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with Brown's owner Jimmy Haslam and he declined to meet
with Garrett. What if anything, do you know about that
or even just the Miles Garrett situation, Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Well, you talked about the Bengals putting themselves in a
bad position. They should have taken care of Jamar Chase
when they had the chance. They should have addressed Pray
Henderson last year. The Browns are in a similar book
with owner Jimmy has them and in all their respect
to him, I don't know how you look at Miles
Garrett and you treat him this way. This is, without question,
the face of the franchise, and he has been for
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the better part of the last decade. He's arguably the
best defensive player in football the year in and year out,
and for you to refuse to meet with the guy
is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It really is. I have no understanding of it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I have no sympathy for the Browns because, like the Bengals,
they have put themselves in this position. If you're Miles Garrett,
you obviously have made a lot of money, and you
want to win, and he has made it abundantly clear
to us Ross that he does not believe that can
happen with the Browns. So if you're the Browns, if
you fast forward the situation, what are you going to
accomplish by not meeting.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
With the guy?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
We're going into free agency next week, we're in March.
It's gonna get worse and worse and worse if you
don't handle this now. And it's a problem that's been
festering for quite some time. So I don't get it
at all. And if Miles Garrett wants a meeting, you
take the meeting.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, speaking of things I don't get, can you explain
to me why the NFL still has this quote unquote.
I guess they call it now the negotiating period. For
a while there, we were calling it the legal tamp
tamp period. It starts Monday, but then the official league
year doesn't start till Wednesday at four pm. Do you
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understand the logic or reasoning there?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Jordan, not particularly Ross's. But I was not ever the
greatest student. You know, I always give you problems. You know,
you're the Ivy League guy. I went to the fake
Ivory League school Occidental. I was not the best student.
I don't understand it, but I'll tell you this, A
lot of the deals that you're going to see come
together on Wednesday and Thursday have already been set by
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the time we're there. In other words, Monday and Tuesday
and really this week, over the weekend and going back
to the combine is when a lot of the deals
get set in place.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And then basically what happens is.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
A lot of players will try and shop around, they'll
try to make sure this is the best team number
they can get, but essentially those deals in many ways
are done by Wednesday. So no, I don't understand it,
but I'm not the right I'm not the right guy,
asked the.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well so, and I've also seen you know, reports out there, Jordan,
and you might have had a similar article about guys
that are going to make more money than people expect,
and you'll be surprised. That just tells me that they
already know how much they're going to be getting me.
How many of these deals are more or less already done.
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How many deals do you think there's a pretty good
idea people know who's going where, for what money, But
they're just they can't obviously say anything about it yet.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Right now or come Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Right now, and then eat it over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Monday, I'd say probably a quarter of the deals somewhere
over the weekend, and by Monday, I'd say a third
to half of the deals. Now, obviously there's a second
and third waves of free agency, the one year deals
that are much smaller, but in terms of the you know,
big contracts, the multi year extensions, all of that will
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will will be set in stone or many months of
that will be set in stone by Monday and Tuesday.
Because what happens is a lot of the players and
agents by this time have already met with everybody in Indianapolis,
the Asians half, so they have a really good understanding
of the market, not only with the teams, but.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
The type of money.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And then you have a lot of players that are
entering that first contract, right so they're twenty five or
twenty six or second contract. I could say, they want
that three year deal so that they can hit it
again by the time they're twenty eight or twenty nine.
And so what you're gonna see is a lot of
those three year deals the teams want the four year
deal so they can get the control. And I just
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we talked about Trey Henderson. He wants the three year deal. Right,
That's that's what's in vogue for many players at agents.
So to answer your question again, I would say, right
now you probably have a quarter of them.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Fast forward to the weekend Monday, probably over a third.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What about Sam Darnold, what do you hearing thinking in
terms of.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He's gonna do well? Okay, yeah, I think he's gonna
do well.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I think he's gonna We just said, would some guy
surprise some people? I think Donald's gonna surprise some people.
Because ross, if you're Sam Donald, you have to make
the decision. Do I go back to Minnesota and stay
with Kevin O'Connell, who's resurrected my career, or do I
look elsewhere and maybe fetch a little bit more money,
knowing that it might not be as good a situation.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Let's say, for example, the Raiders, right, the Raiders need
a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
They do not have a very good roster, but they
do have a new head coach, and you do have
the USC connection. I know Pete Carroll likes Sam Donald.
Does that mean he's gonna sign there, of course not,
but I think he's gonna make a significant amount of money.
And I don't know if that's in the mid to
high thirties or low forties, but he will do very
well in surprise some people there are you have the
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cap that's gone up again that will help him. And
then you have the fact that A this is not
a particularly strong quarterback market and b this is not
a quarterback class coming out, so that will help Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Most likely teams there two or three teams that maybe
jump out for Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I would say with Donald, I mean, the Vikings will
love him back. They're not gonna be able to pay
him maybe exactly what he wanted. I know he loves
it there. I know his wife loves it there, and
they'd had a great experience. Look at the Raiders, yep.
I would say those two to me make the most sense.
And then you have to wonder if a team like
Pittsburgh gets frisky. You know, Pittsburgh could easily bring back
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Justin Fields on a one year, ten million dollar deal,
or do they decide, you know what, we want to
go a little bit more and pursue someone like a
Sam Darnold or maybe in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm not reporting that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm just saying the Steelers clearly believe they're a quarterback away.
How do I know that they were very much in
on Matthew Stafford. And you don't go after a guy
like Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold for that matter, Ross
unless you believe your roster is good enough to win.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right now, we still don't know. Oh, by the way,
what Stafford's new contract is, do we That still hasn't
been reported. I'm dying to know how much less he
took to stay in LA because I know people would
have given him a lot of money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, so we don't know the exact numbers. What we
do know, and I reported this was he took a
lot less to stay. You know, there was there were
talks that he would have commanded a hundred over two
he's made he'll have made by this come by the
time this contract's out, or or by the time this
contract is over, he'll have made well over three hundred
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or around three hundred million dollars in his career. So
clearly it wasn't just about the money. And I had
thought for about a day and a half that there
was a real chance that the Raiders were going to
land him.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
They desperately wanted him. Tom Brady loved him.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But what it came down to was Stafford met with
Sean McVay for quite some time six thirty seven in
the morning, and they were able to find that common ground.
And you you kind of knew once they met and
were face to face those two that it was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So yes, he took less, but he knows.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That they were a play away from beating the Eagles
and going on in the playoffs. That roster is really good.
It's a terrific young defense, and I big Stafford ultimately
decided that his best bet was staying in LA with
arguably the best offensive coaching football.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Check him out on social media. He's at Schultz Underscore
Report on Twitter. That's where I follow him, and certainly
check out his show, Why is Draymond Green Talking about football?
With Jordan Schultz? I would like to have seen Draymond
play tight end or d end Actually, can.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I give you a funny story about that he.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Did right for a game or something?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Or he did you a game?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
He did a spring game of Michigan State his freshman year,
and I said to him, you know, you could have
easily been a tight end.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm picking maybe an edge rusher. You got good Ben,
good dip.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And he said to me, you know what, the second
someone plus me with the two hands, I was out
and Ross I think as an off alive and you
can respect that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh, I love it. Hey, I would love to have
played football against Draymond Green and try to light them up.
That's what makes it fun. Jordan, thanks so much for
the time. Man, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Thanks, guys, think youre outstanding.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Outstanding job by Jordan Schultz there in the final hour,
we've got John Rothstein, who's as good as there is
when it comes to college hoops. Gonna kind of be
a primer for us to get us all ready for
college basketball. Here in March. We'll have who I called
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Best week in sports for us? Who had the best
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What team? Concept?
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
Let's get to John Rothstein. He's a CBS Sports college
basketball insider. By the way, when I first got in
the media two thousand and seven, okay, I was still
on injured reserve with the Washington football team. The had
a different name back then. I did a TV show
with John Rothstein. At times, I don't even remember the
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name of the show. John, do you remember this name
of the show? Seth was the producer. It was like
we would go around the horn kind of you were
in New York. I was indifferent. Do you remember that show?
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I think it was out of line on CNA or
out of boundary.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Out of bounds, out of bounds.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Yes, I remember it vividly. Ross. Great to be with
you this morning.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, man, you are killing it. It's been fun to
follow your career. It's funny. You probably hear this a lot, John,
I know you're fully invested in it. I don't follow
college hoops hardly at all until right now and now
this weekend and this week I will root for like
my wife and sister in law went to Bucknell, right
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I went to Princeton. I will root for them like
you wouldn't believe. I think it's the coolest part of
maybe any sport is rooting for your alma mater or
for smaller schools to have their chance at the dance. Well.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And that's the thing ross that's become so interesting because
of the changing landscape in college basketball. There's less player retention,
especially at the mid major level. So we are going
to enter all of these conference tournaments here over the
next week, and we are going to see different teams
seeded a certain way entering these conference tournaments. Seeds had
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never been more meaningless in these obvious conference tournaments than
they are right now because of the lack of player attention.
And another thing you have to remember last year, only
twelve teams out of the thirty two conferences that won
their respective regular seasons went on automatic qualifiers to the
NCAA Tournament by winning their conference tournament. Russ Ducker, this
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is March.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Wow. One third actually won their conference tournament. So this
is self serving, okay, but I got to ask you
about Princeton quick all right. My understanding is that they
have like the two best players in the IVY League.
They have Alec Pierce, the colt receiver, his younger brother Kayden,
and they have the point guard from Toronto that put
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his name into the NBA draft last year. I think
his name Xavian Lee. I just looked John. We're in
fourth place in the IVY League. We're like seven and six.
I've been working, I've been practicing every day for this.
Why are we not good?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well? Princeton in a lot of ways is kind of
the polar opposite of what Princeton went through last year.
Last year, Princeton was a heavy favor going to the
Ivy League tournament and was upset in that tournament as
the team that everybody thought was going to be one
of the best mid majors in the country. And now
you look at what's happened to Princeton. Yes, there's Zaving Lee,
lest there's Caden Pierce, but look at some of the
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ancillary players. Zach Martini no longer on Princeton from a
year ago. He's on Rutgers. Because we have to remember
right now that these players still have the ability to
move and go to other places. Matt Aloco, another player
who was on that Princeton team from a year ago
that was upset in the Ivy League tournament, went and
played for Notre Dame. So maybe we'll see if Princeton
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can reverse course. But here's one thing I want to
point out, and I know that people, especially at the
mid major level, one who celebrate regular season titles, nobody
remembers in college basketball what people do during the regular season.
You are judged by what you do in the NCAA tournament.
And this is why what we're going to embark on
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right now over the next three and a half four
weeks is the greatest postseason that we have in sports.
We spend days, we spend weeks. We spent months talking
about the bubble from February first until now. We have
to remember ross that last year there were five different
teams that stole bids during their respective conference tournaments. Now,
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what is a bid stealer. A bid stealer is a
team that was not projected to make the NCAA tournament
who then wins its conference tournament and then earns a
bid to March Madness. Last year, we had Duquane out
of the Atlantic ten. We obviously had UAB out of
the AAC NC state out of the ACC won the
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ACC Tournament five games in five days and then went
on to go to the Final four under Kevin Keats.
New Mexico stole a bid out of the Mountain West,
and then Oregon did the same out of the PAC twelve.
That was five teams that were not projected to be
into the NCAA tournament who then found a way to
get to March Madness.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It is awesome talking with John Rothstein. As you can tell,
he is the best college basketball insidary. Does it for
CBS Sports company I work for as well. You know
you kind of hit on this, John, but I want
to expound upon it a little bit. What I know,
it's all the above, But what aspect of it do
you think makes it so popular? Is it the fact
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that it's brackets, like people just I don't know what
is about humans we love like my like beer punk
tournament bracket like whatever it is, Like I love brackets, okay.
And also the betting. I mean people bet a lot
on March mad and the and then it's the underdog.
It's the whole thing. If you kind of had to
rank the reasons for March Madness popularity. Where would you
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stack them up.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
It's a one game tournament. It is not obviously a
best of seven series. So the fact that we have
this game that obviously is decided by a sixty eighteen
bracket with sixty seven games, if you have one bad half,
if you have one bad game, every single thing can changed.
And then there is still the opportunity for, with everything
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that's going on in college sports, to have the most
unexpected and unpredictable results. And you know, I remember two
years ago. You know, I've been fortunate enough to work
the first four for US in Dayton. I had the
pleasure of, you know, covering Fairley Dickinson two years ago.
In twenty twenty three. Fairley Dickinson two years ago was
not good enough to win the Northeast Conference tournament. Merrimack
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won the Northeast Conference tournament, but because of transitional rule
to Division one, Merrimack was not eligible for the NCAA tournament.
So Fairly Dickinson lost in the finals of its conference tournament,
but it got the automatic qualifier because Merrimack was ineligible.
Fairly Dickinson then goes on to the first four, beats
Texas Southern in the first four, and then gets a
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matchup with Duke who had the National Player of the
Year in Zach Edy and won the Big Ten regular
season and tournament titles, and still Fairleigh Dickinson was able
then to pull off the biggest upset in the history
of the NCAA Tournament by beating Purdue. This is the
stuff that is in store. And again, if you're not
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in a situation where you're following college basketball from November
first until now, you're pretty much admitting that you hate fun.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
All right, So I want to ask you about Saint
John's because they've won the Big East for the first
time in forty years. I know you've talked about him
a lot. I'm sure. Yeah. So is this obviously Patino's
their coach? Is this a great coaching job? Or is
this John? Have we got to a point where some
Saint John's alums made a decision and they bought a
really good team. I don't follow it, right, So you
(24:42):
explain to me how Saint John's seemingly came out of
nowhere to get this good.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Saint John's has been a barren program for twenty five years.
Saint John's has not won an ncublea tournament game since
two thousand. How long ago is that Jay Wright was
the head coach in Halstra. But with all that said,
Saint John's this year was able to be in a
situation because it hired a Hall of fame coach, a
can't miss coach, and Rick Patino, and it put together
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a roster now that is, you know, twenty six and
four heading into tomorrow's game against Marquette, that's the best
in the Big East. It's the first regular season title
outright for Saint John's in the Big East that's been
won by the Red Storm since the eighty four to
eighty five season, which was the year that Saint John's
went to the Final Four with Luke carnasecond Chris Malwand. Look,
one of the things that we've seen right now in
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this new landscape of college sports is the playing field
is very level. So a program like Saint Johns that
has the infrastructure in place to put together a strong
roster can now compete with the Dukes, the Kansases, and
the Kentucky's. And then conversely, some of the blue blood
programs now might be falling back to the pack a
little bit. Kansas will enter it's Big Twelve finale in
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the regular season tomorrow against Arizona, and in the last
two years, Kansas is only a combined twenty and seventeen
in Big twelve regular season games. Remember, this was a
program that from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen, under Bill's
self want at least to share excuse me, from twenty
three or so to twenty eighteen, under Bill self want
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at least to share almost every Big twelve regular season title. Remember, Ross,
it's not anarchy, it's just college basketball.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I love his closing line of every of every answer.
All right, tell me about Cooper Flag. Like, for people
that haven't watched him a lot, he's I think a
lot of people would probably say he's the name in
college basketball that they recognize, that they know, but a
lot of people still haven't really watched him that much.
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Is there any weakness to his game? Is there an
NBA guy that you compare him to that people can
kind of get that visual on their head.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
You know, Cooper Flag's like a cheet code. He's like
playing Madden when you're a kid and putting it on
the easiest possible level, because that's how effortless he makes
the game look. He's been ever been as good as advertised.
I think there's a little bit of Andre Carolenko in
his game, but he's got so much polish on the
offensive side of the floor. But Duke, without question has
the best roster in the sport. I think one of
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the things that we've all been disappointed about, and it's
not Duke's fault, is this is the worst acc that
we have seen in our lifetime. Unless there is a
big stealer at the ACC tournament, this league is likely
to get only three of its eighteen teams in the
NCAA tournament. That is just one sixth of the conference.
The ac SEA since twenty seventeen has lost the following coaches,
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Rick Bettino, Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Tony Bennett, Jim Laernega,
Buzz Williams, Mike Bray and Leonard Hamilton will lead after
this year. So it has been a major, major transition
for a conference that was the sport's most fable for
a very long time.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Wow, that is absolutely wild. You gotta check John out.
He does a terrific job throughout the tournament. If you
want to know what's going on with college basketball, follow
John Rothstein on every platform. Does a terrific job as
the college basketball insider for CBS Sports. That was perfect.
Thank you so much, John.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Thanks, Ross were sleeping.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
May be sure to catch the live edition of The
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Speaker 2 (28:23):
I absolutely love talking with this guy every week on
the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. I call him this civilian
goat because I think he is the best film watcher
and film breakdowner, if that's a word of anybody that
did not play or coach in the NFL. He's been doing,
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He's doing a lot longer than a lot of people
have been doing. What they've been doing forty five plus years.
He is the great. Greg Coasel joins me typically Thursdays
on the Ross Tucker Podcast. But we got to talk
quarterbacks because there's a bunch of teams that need them. Greg,
always great to talk with you. We're doing it twice
this week, not just once. Appreciate the time. I guess
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let's start with the college guys, because there's gonna be
at least one, maybe more NFL teams that find their
starting quarterback via the draft. And so, is there a
guy that was a clear number one when you broke
down shardor Sanders and war and all these guys who
kind of jumped out to you.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah, And I think just before I give you that person,
and people who maybe listen to us and to listen
to me know that I believe it's cam Ward. But
I think the important point to remember is quarterbacks have
different traits and different attributes and different characteristics. That doesn't
mean that they can't play in the league. It just
means that the variables that come into play, the different
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variables that come into play ross And you know this
having played in the league. Now you start getting into
things like team scheme around them, coaching. You know, there's
so many factors involved that just because a quarterback might
not be high on my list or might not be
number one, doesn't mean he can't play in the league.
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It's just you have to understand what their traits and
attributes are and what that means when you project them.
So I thought when I watched cam Ward, I thought
that he was the most physically gifted of the quarterbacks
in this draft, that he had high level traits in
order to, you know, ideally become a good player in
the league. He's got a live arm, he's got a
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playmaking dimension to his game. Obviously he's got some things
he has to clean up. I actually watched him speak
at the podium at the combine and he said, quite clearly,
which is true, that there were times he held the
ball too long and that's some sacks are on him,
and that's something he has to clean up. And I
think that's another thing that people have to realize is
that none of these quarterbacks enter the league as a
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finished product, and there's things that have to be coached
and develop and that takes time, and those things can
show up in the NFL and it doesn't mean that
they're going to be bad players. So there's so many
factors involved. But I thought clearly him war to me,
was a defined number one quarterback prospect in this draft class.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
And so, okay, and we know he's gonna get drafted.
Whar he's gonna get drafted. But when you look at him, Greg,
did you think like number one pick that quarterba.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I started to feel that way the more I watched
him yes, and again it may or may not happen.
You know, when you hear the Tennessee Titans brass talk,
you kind of get this sense they hold a number
one pick that they'd like to get more players because
their roster is kind of depleted. So I don't know. Again,
you never know if teams want want to trade up.
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We won't know that, you know, probably for a while.
But I started to feel the more I watched Ward,
and I just want people to understand that I watched
him last summer seven eight games at Washington State. I
think I watched nine games this year at the University
of Miami. And the more I watched him, you know,
as I said, there are definitely things that need to
be cleaned up. There's no question. There's a little bit
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of a looseness and lack of discipline at times to
his game that must be coached hard. But he can
work the pocket, he can make progression throws, he can
make outstanding outside of structured throws, which were prevalent throughout
his tape. So I came to believe that, yes, he
could be that kind of prospect.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
All right, some of these other guys, Greg, you know,
shardor Sanders and Jackson Dart. Just watching the video, which
is what you do, was there, who would you say
was the next most impressive guy on video?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
I mean, if you're just going by tape, and again
I'm not going to sit here and say this is
where guys are going to get drafted, but I would say,
just watching tape, I came away really impressed with Tyler
Shuck out of He played for three teams in his
college career, but he ended up this year at Louisville.
It was the first year that he truly played as
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a full time starter and played pretty much all the games.
I mean he was in. He came out of Arizona.
It seems like he came out twenty years ago as
one of the top rated quarterbacks in the country. But again,
he's a very intriguing player because of his age, which
by the way, most gms don't view that as a problem.
It's more the injury history. But you know, I thought
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that he did a lot of the little things really well.
Ball security. Always kept both hands on the ball when
forced to move out of the pocket, whether climbing or escaping. Laterally,
he has a very easy delivery. He worked from a
firm base. He could sit on his back foot with
bodies around him and drive the football. Yet he could
throw with pace and touch, he could layer throws. He
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had enough movement that he's not a playmaker, but he
had enough movement where he's not a statue. I thought
his traits were strong, and I thought his tape was
really really good. Now, again, I don't know where he's
going to get drafted. I'm sure he's going to be
polarizing in draft rooms. I'm sure there's some people listening
right now that probably think, oh, he's you know, he's
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a third round player and he's not gonna make it.
You know, we don't know the answer to these questions.
But the tape was very good. And you know what,
he's six' five and he's two twenty five and as
you Know ross having played in this, league that's a.
Trait there's a big difference between being six' one and
six five when you're. A quarterback talking.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
With The great Greg co CELL From nfl, films here
you can check him out on social Media at Greg
CO cell's i think a lot of People listening greg
On The fox sports radio affiliates are Watching on peacock
are probably surprised that the second most impressive quarterback to
you Was Not. Shador sanders so what did you see
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when you Broke down shador, Sanders tape since there's obviously
the subject of a lot, of conversation.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
And again his tape. Not bad, you know that's the issue,
You face ross as you, know this you talk every,
single day and you know the way People Respond what
i'm about to say is not a knock at All In.
SHADOR sanders i just think you need to understand what
kind of quarterback, he is and by, the way you can,
be very very good in. The league he's, an easy
natural thrower to. The football he does not have higher
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level arm strength and You can that's a discussion that
people have all the time about the relative merits of
arm strength IN. The nfl some believe, it's important some
believe it's it's not one of the most. Important traits
that's a discussion people have all the time when they.
Evaluate quarterbacks, you know just as a, quick ASIDE when
i hear the phrase he can make all, the throws
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that tells me he can't make all. The Throws and
i'm Talking. About shador i'm talking ABOUT when i hear
that about quarterbacks, in general because why are we. Saying that,
you know so you know a quarterback could make all,
the throws then why are we, even having, you know.
Saying that, but anyway getting Back, TO shador I think
chador is much more of a ball distributor and executor of.
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An offense that's the style of quarter. He is and by,
the way you can be a really good quarterback IN
the nfl playing. THAT way, i think As with WARD
that i mentioned a few things that need to be,
cleaned up there's a few Things with shador that need
to be. Cleaned up, number one he has a tendency
to hold the ball with one hand when he. Feels
pressure you know as WELL as. I do that has
to be cleaned up IN, the nfl and that'll be
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one of the first things that's, cleaned up because you
cannot give the ball away IN. The nfl and second,
of all he has a tendency to. Retreat backwards you
cannot retreat backwards IN. The nfl but you're dealing with
a guy that at his best. Is rhythmic he's, a
distributor he's an easy thrower for the. Most part his
ball placement is. Pretty precise there's a lot, to LIKE
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but i think he's a, ball distributor, YOU know i
think in, some ways, YOU know i THOUGHT.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
OF.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
C j stroud when he came Out Of. OHIO state
I thought stroud was a better prospect in a number.
Of ways but they're both sort of at their core.
Pocket quarterbacks and, YOU know I think sam not at
the Level of Stroud when stroud, came out but he's
that kind of player.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Stylistically interesting Talking With, GREG cosa i want To transition
greg to the veteran quarterbacks because we've got free agency. Next,
week yeah and there are GUYS that i think you're gonna,
Find Jobs, Sam Donald, daniel Jones, Justin Fields. Aaron rodgers
let's Start with donald because there still seems to be
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some debate as to whether or not he's the guy
he was in the first sixteen games, last year or
he's the guy that he was in the last. Two
games what do you think any team that Would sign
donald will be getting?
Speaker 7 (37:44):
With, HIM well i think the discussion probably revolves around
whether he's a scheme specific player or whether you can
put him in any scheme and, be effective because don't forget,
you know the year Prior, to minnesota he was a
backup quarterback For, the niners and then he Went to
Minnesota with, kevin O'Connell who pretty much everybody understands is
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a really good pass. Game schemer the schematics of that
offense really, present clean defined throws for the quarterback at
the intermediate and. Deeper levels and that's a rarity IN
the nfl, these days with so many short balls, being
Thrown and donald was phenomenal. At that here's the statistic
that blew. Me away and he led the league in
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passes that went more than twenty yards in the air
ross from the line. Of scrimmage think, about that more
than twenty yards in the air from the line. Of
scrimmage donald completed fifty seven percent of his passes that led.
The league, By contrast mahomes completed twenty six percent of.
His Passes and i'm Not suggesting donald's a better Quarterback.
Than mahomes That's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Not he already. Said it it's on. Social, media, yeah
yeah there.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
You, go so, YOU know, i MEAN so i think
that that's the Discussion with donald as to whether you could,
sign him plug him into any system and he would,
be successful or whether what he did a year ago
was very foundationally a product of Working with. Kevin O'Connell
and that's probably one of those things that there's no
it's not a. Mathematical equation no one knows the answer to,
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that specifically AND that i don't get into, the money
but that will probably dictate what teams. Offer him if
people felt you could put him in any system ross
and he'd, be great he'd probably be in the forty
five to fifty. Million range if people feel that that's not,
the case he'll probably be closer to the thirty thirty five,
million range and we'll see where it goes. From there
but we're dealing with a six four to two hundred
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and twenty five pound guy with a, big arm AND
need i say he can make every THROWER ofs, i, Love,
Sorry greg and of course, he's mobile he can move.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
As, well yeah. Absolutely Love greg cosell comes On The
Dan patrick show and drops a stat of the Day
On sam darnold throwing it over twenty. Yards, downfield greg
What About? Daniel jones You know i'm curious. About him
is there Any Chance daniel jones could be This Year's
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sam darnold or two Years AGO's, baker mayfield that he
could be sort of the reclamation Project in cleveland or
somewhere and play at a.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
HIGH level a true enigma, For me ross because, you
know up to, this point i'd have to SAY that
i was wrong. ABOUT him i liked him. Coming OUT
now i didn't like him THE way i thought He'd Be,
josh ALLEN but i liked him, coming out and as
we probably, ALL remember i know, you do his, rookie
year he was. Very good there was a sense coming
off his rookie season that he, could be, you know
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A quality nfl. Starting quarterback now we can start looking
at any number of reasons why it, didn't happen, o
line lack, of weapons but you have to also look at,
the player. You know and one of the Things About
daniel JONES that i thought started to really show itself
and again now you get, into teams scheme and, other
factors is even though he is mobile as a straight,
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line runner he's fairly robotic in. The pocket and one
thing that, he LACKS and i think this is a really,
important trait one thing that he lacks is, pocket movement
and that's a difference between running out of. The pocket
that's there are two totally. Different traits pocket movement is
the ability to move within. The pocket think of an
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area that's, you know SMALLER than i let's say the
size of a, boxing ring but, you know just to
give you a sense of sort of confined space to
be able to move in, the pocket within, the pocket to,
avoid pressure keep your, eyes downfield maintain, your focus not
lose your focus of the routes and, the coverage and
still then reset your platform to deliver. THE ball i
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think that that's a trait that he needs that he hasn't,
really SHOWN and i think that's really imperative for the
style of quarterback that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
He is check him out on social Media At greg
cosel so you know wherever, he's at especially when he
joins Me, on thursdays typically On The Ross Tucker. Football
podcast obviously forty FIVE years. Nfl films, Just, Incredible greg
thank you. So much, As, always ross.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
Really appreciate being on with. You today thanks for having
me
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
If you haven't been paying attention, this guy has established
himself as one of the premier NFL insiders for Fox Sports.
He's the host of the Weekly Football show on Instagram.
Why is Draymond Green talking about football with Jordan Schultz?
I love that name every Thursday at seven thirty pm
Eastern Time. Jordan. Always great to see you. Appreciate you
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coming on the show greatly. I gotta start with this man.
This trade permission stuff. I don't really remember this being
that big of a deal. It feels like this offseason
the Rams started with Matthew Stafford. I've honestly lost track
at this point of how many guys have been given
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permission to seek a trade? What is going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, it's out of control.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It's not just given permission ross it's to seek a trade.
It's given permission to explore a trade or are there
other teams interested in?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What it become is the new in vogue thing to do.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
And what you'll notice is a lot of the players
that would otherwise be released are now being given permission
to seek a trade or talk to other teams. And
it's funny because just getting back from Indy last week,
that was one of the topics that continue to come
up with clubs, not something that they like. Very annoyed
that they can't just flat out release a guy when
they know very honestly and openly that the best they're
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gonna get for someone might be a seventh round pick.
They would rather just flat out release the dude, give
him the opportunity to go sign elsewhere and then be
done with them. But given the circumstances of the cap,
the fact that free agency is upon us, guys want
as many options as possible, and as a result of it,
you're seeing this permission to seek a trade, and it's
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really become out of control.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All Right, So Stafford ended up going back to the RAMS,
and it never really seem like he was gonna leave.
I never really thought he was gonna leave. I know,
maybe you'll tell me and other people will say it
was close to happening, but I just didn't for a
lot of reasons. I didn't think it made sense for
the RAM, and I think it made sense for Stafford.
What about some of these more well known guys like
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DK Metcalf Trey Hendrickson. It sounds like people think those
guys are are much more likely to be on new teams.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Okay, so in terms of Metcalf, there are I would
say I would put him being traded a higher percentage
than Trey Henderson and I'll start, and the reason is
because I think both Seattle and Metcalf know that this
has been brewing for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It actually goes back to last year.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And it's not that Metcalf isn't happy, but I think
both sides are looking for a fresh start, and you know,
DK is gonna fetch a significant price. I don't know
if it's gonna be a one. I don't know if
it's gonna be a two and a four. I don't
believe it's gonna be a one and a three. But
the problem is for both him Hendrickson, is that because
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these guys are bringing in players, the team trading for
them not only has to give up the asset or
assets draft capital to get the player, they then have
to pay the player. And both of these guys are
seeking significant contract extensions. In Metcalf's case, just turned twenty eight.
Hendrickson is thirty. Obviously in all Pro I think Metcalf
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gets traded first. I'm not sure if Hendrickson gets traded.
I talked about the Chargers being in on DK. I've
heard the Raiders Packers among many other clubs, and Hendrickson's case, Ross,
I would say that you have to get owner Mike
Brown on board. These organizations are run significantly differently. In
Seattle you have John Schneider, who really has full autonomy
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from the owner Jody Allen. In Cincinnati you have Mike Brown,
who he in essence, is running the show. Duke Tobin's
the GM, but he has nowhere near the type of
autonomy at Schneider has in Seattle. So if you're asking
me about both of those guys, I'd say there's a
better chance of seeing DK get traded, and I would
imagine even if both of them ultimately get dealt that
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Metcalf happens first.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Talking with NFL insider Jordan Schultz does a terrific job
for Fox Sports. The Hendrick Singh thing is very interesting, yeah, Jordan,
because it felt like after the Max Crosby contract came out,
it kind of felt like the Bengals were throwing in
the towel. I do not envision them giving him that
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type of contract. So when you say you think there's
a better chance DK gets traded, do you think that
the Bengals might try to play hardball with Hendrickson and
making out this last year.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, they have been.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
In fact, if you actually trace Hendrickson back the last
year he was he already requested a trade and went nowhere.
And so they have been meeting and delegating over the
past few weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And he was in Cincinnati yesterday.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
He went to the facility, met with the entire organization,
met with the Bengals brass and basically talked through it
because he got an offer that was significantly below market
value two weeks ago. And I think what happened was
Cincinnati really had to talk Hendrickson off a ledge, hoping
that he wouldn't request the trade, and then they met
yesterday seeing if they could find Tomin Brown. They ultimately didn't.
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You know, he's been a staple within that organization. You know,
he's a first team All Pro. But they also have
Jamar Chase and t Higgins to deal with, and they
still want to extend Mike Caseki to tiede end and
obviously Burrow wants all these guys back, but you can't
pay everyone. And if you're the Bengals, this is not
an organization flus with with gas Ross, So Hendrickson I
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believe would sign somewhere in the midst and somewhere in
the middle of three years eighty five to ninety. I
know he would love one hundred. It's not realistic. Cincinnati,
I'll'll say, without giving you specific numbers, is nowhere near
that number. In fact, I'll give you this, I don't
believe Cincinnati has come over this seventy million dollar threshold.
So that tells you how far away they are. And
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as a result, you have to make a decision. If
you're the Bengals, Ross, do you Trey Trey Hendrickson or
do you simply try to find a number and go
up where Really you don't want to do that, knowing
again that you had the receivers to deal with.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Right, as I said earlier in the show, Jordan, I
have no sympathy. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
They really worked on any of these deals over the
last couple of years and gotten ahead of this thing,
totally gotten them done. It's interesting, though, that you mentioned
Hendrickson meeting with the entire Bengals organization because there was
news out this morning that Miles Garrett requested a meeting
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with Brown's owner Jimmy Haslam and he declined to meet
with Garrett. What if anything, do you know about that
or even just the Miles Garrett situation, Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Well, you talked about the Bengals putting themselves in a
bad position. They should have taken care of Jamar Chase
when they had the chance. They should have addressed Pray
Henderson last year. The Browns are in a similar book
with owner Jimmy has them and in all their respect
to him, I don't know how you look at Miles
Garrett and you treat him this way. This is, without question,
the face of the franchise, and he has been for
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the better part of the last decade. He's arguably the
best defensive player in football the year in and year out,
and for you to refuse to meet with the guy
is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It really is. I have no understanding of it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I have no sympathy for the Browns because, like the Bengals,
they have put themselves in this position. If you're Miles Garrett,
you obviously have made a lot of money, and you
want to win, and he has made it abundantly clear
to us Ross that he does not believe that can
happen with the Browns. So if you're the Browns, if
you fast forward the situation, what are you going to
accomplish by not meeting.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
With the guy?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
We're going into free agency next week, we're in March.
It's gonna get worse and worse and worse if you
don't handle this now. And it's a problem that's been
festering for quite some time. So I don't get it
at all. And if Miles Garrett wants a meeting, you
take the meeting.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, speaking of things I don't get, can you explain
to me why the NFL still has this quote unquote.
I guess they call it now the negotiating period. For
a while there, we were calling it the legal tamp
tamp period. It starts Monday, but then the official league
year doesn't start till Wednesday at four pm. Do you
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understand the logic or reasoning there?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Jordan, not particularly Ross's. But I was not ever the
greatest student. You know, I always give you problems. You know,
you're the Ivy League guy. I went to the fake
Ivory League school Occidental. I was not the best student.
I don't understand it, but I'll tell you this, A
lot of the deals that you're going to see come
together on Wednesday and Thursday have already been set by
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the time we're there. In other words, Monday and Tuesday
and really this week, over the weekend and going back
to the combine is when a lot of the deals
get set in place.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And then basically what happens is.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
A lot of players will try and shop around, they'll
try to make sure this is the best team number
they can get, but essentially those deals in many ways
are done by Wednesday. So no, I don't understand it,
but I'm not the right I'm not the right guy,
asked the.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well so, and I've also seen you know, reports out there, Jordan,
and you might have had a similar article about guys
that are going to make more money than people expect,
and you'll be surprised. That just tells me that they
already know how much they're going to be getting me.
How many of these deals are more or less already done.
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How many deals do you think there's a pretty good
idea people know who's going where, for what money, But
they're just they can't obviously say anything about it yet.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Right now or come Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Right now, and then eat it over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Monday, I'd say probably a quarter of the deals somewhere
over the weekend, and by Monday, I'd say a third
to half of the deals. Now, obviously there's a second
and third waves of free agency, the one year deals
that are much smaller, but in terms of the you know,
big contracts, the multi year extensions, all of that will
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will will be set in stone or many months of
that will be set in stone by Monday and Tuesday.
Because what happens is a lot of the players and
agents by this time have already met with everybody in Indianapolis,
the Asians half, so they have a really good understanding
of the market, not only with the teams, but.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
The type of money.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And then you have a lot of players that are
entering that first contract, right so they're twenty five or
twenty six or second contract. I could say, they want
that three year deal so that they can hit it
again by the time they're twenty eight or twenty nine.
And so what you're gonna see is a lot of
those three year deals the teams want the four year
deal so they can get the control. And I just
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we talked about Trey Henderson. He wants the three year deal. Right,
That's that's what's in vogue for many players at agents.
So to answer your question again, I would say, right
now you probably have a quarter of them.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Fast forward to the weekend Monday, probably over a third.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What about Sam Darnold, what do you hearing thinking in
terms of.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He's gonna do well? Okay, yeah, I think he's gonna
do well.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I think he's gonna We just said, would some guy
surprise some people? I think Donald's gonna surprise some people.
Because ross, if you're Sam Donald, you have to make
the decision. Do I go back to Minnesota and stay
with Kevin O'Connell, who's resurrected my career, or do I
look elsewhere and maybe fetch a little bit more money,
knowing that it might not be as good a situation.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Let's say, for example, the Raiders, right, the Raiders need
a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
They do not have a very good roster, but they
do have a new head coach, and you do have
the USC connection. I know Pete Carroll likes Sam Donald.
Does that mean he's gonna sign there, of course not,
but I think he's gonna make a significant amount of money.
And I don't know if that's in the mid to
high thirties or low forties, but he will do very
well in surprise some people there are you have the
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cap that's gone up again that will help him. And
then you have the fact that A this is not
a particularly strong quarterback market and b this is not
a quarterback class coming out, so that will help Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Most likely teams there two or three teams that maybe
jump out for Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I would say with Donald, I mean, the Vikings will
love him back. They're not gonna be able to pay
him maybe exactly what he wanted. I know he loves
it there. I know his wife loves it there, and
they'd had a great experience. Look at the Raiders, yep.
I would say those two to me make the most sense.
And then you have to wonder if a team like
Pittsburgh gets frisky. You know, Pittsburgh could easily bring back
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Justin Fields on a one year, ten million dollar deal,
or do they decide, you know what, we want to
go a little bit more and pursue someone like a
Sam Darnold or maybe in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm not reporting that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm just saying the Steelers clearly believe they're a quarterback away.
How do I know that they were very much in
on Matthew Stafford. And you don't go after a guy
like Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold for that matter, Ross
unless you believe your roster is good enough to win.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right now, we still don't know. Oh, by the way,
what Stafford's new contract is, do we That still hasn't
been reported. I'm dying to know how much less he
took to stay in LA because I know people would
have given him a lot of money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, so we don't know the exact numbers. What we
do know, and I reported this was he took a
lot less to stay. You know, there was there were
talks that he would have commanded a hundred over two
he's made he'll have made by this come by the
time this contract's out, or or by the time this
contract is over, he'll have made well over three hundred
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or around three hundred million dollars in his career. So
clearly it wasn't just about the money. And I had
thought for about a day and a half that there
was a real chance that the Raiders were going to
land him.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
They desperately wanted him. Tom Brady loved him.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But what it came down to was Stafford met with
Sean McVay for quite some time six thirty seven in
the morning, and they were able to find that common ground.
And you you kind of knew once they met and
were face to face those two that it was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So yes, he took less, but he knows.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That they were a play away from beating the Eagles
and going on in the playoffs. That roster is really good.
It's a terrific young defense, and I big Stafford ultimately
decided that his best bet was staying in LA with
arguably the best offensive coaching football.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Check him out on social media. He's at Schultz Underscore
Report on Twitter. That's where I follow him, and certainly
check out his show, Why is Draymond Green Talking about football?
With Jordan Schultz? I would like to have seen Draymond
play tight end or d end Actually, can.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I give you a funny story about that he.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Did right for a game or something?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Or he did you a game?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
He did a spring game of Michigan State his freshman year,
and I said to him, you know, you could have
easily been a tight end.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm picking maybe an edge rusher. You got good Ben,
good dip.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And he said to me, you know what, the second
someone plus me with the two hands, I was out
and Ross I think as an off alive and you
can respect that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh, I love it. Hey, I would love to have
played football against Draymond Green and try to light them up.
That's what makes it fun. Jordan, thanks so much for
the time. Man, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Thanks, guys, think youre outstanding.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Outstanding job by Jordan Schultz there in the final hour,
we've got John Rothstein, who's as good as there is
when it comes to college hoops. Gonna kind of be
a primer for us to get us all ready for
college basketball. Here in March. We'll have who I called
this civilian goat greatest of all time, Greg Cosel from
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
Let's get to John Rothstein. He's a CBS Sports college
basketball insider. By the way, when I first got in
the media two thousand and seven, okay, I was still
on injured reserve with the Washington football team. The had
a different name back then. I did a TV show
with John Rothstein. At times, I don't even remember the
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name of the show. John, do you remember this name
of the show? Seth was the producer. It was like
we would go around the horn kind of you were
in New York. I was indifferent. Do you remember that show?
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I think it was out of line on CNA or
out of boundary.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Out of bounds, out of bounds.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Yes, I remember it vividly. Ross. Great to be with
you this morning.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, man, you are killing it. It's been fun to
follow your career. It's funny. You probably hear this a lot, John,
I know you're fully invested in it. I don't follow
college hoops hardly at all until right now and now
this weekend and this week I will root for like
my wife and sister in law went to Bucknell, right
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I went to Princeton. I will root for them like
you wouldn't believe. I think it's the coolest part of
maybe any sport is rooting for your alma mater or
for smaller schools to have their chance at the dance. Well.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And that's the thing ross that's become so interesting because
of the changing landscape in college basketball. There's less player retention,
especially at the mid major level. So we are going
to enter all of these conference tournaments here over the
next week, and we are going to see different teams
seeded a certain way entering these conference tournaments. Seeds had
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never been more meaningless in these obvious conference tournaments than
they are right now because of the lack of player attention.
And another thing you have to remember last year, only
twelve teams out of the thirty two conferences that won
their respective regular seasons went on automatic qualifiers to the
NCAA Tournament by winning their conference tournament. Russ Ducker, this
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is March.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Wow. One third actually won their conference tournament. So this
is self serving, okay, but I got to ask you
about Princeton quick all right. My understanding is that they
have like the two best players in the IVY League.
They have Alec Pierce, the colt receiver, his younger brother Kayden,
and they have the point guard from Toronto that put
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his name into the NBA draft last year. I think
his name Xavian Lee. I just looked John. We're in
fourth place in the IVY League. We're like seven and six.
I've been working, I've been practicing every day for this.
Why are we not good?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well? Princeton in a lot of ways is kind of
the polar opposite of what Princeton went through last year.
Last year, Princeton was a heavy favor going to the
Ivy League tournament and was upset in that tournament as
the team that everybody thought was going to be one
of the best mid majors in the country. And now
you look at what's happened to Princeton. Yes, there's Zaving Lee,
lest there's Caden Pierce, but look at some of the
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ancillary players. Zach Martini no longer on Princeton from a
year ago. He's on Rutgers. Because we have to remember
right now that these players still have the ability to
move and go to other places. Matt Aloco, another player
who was on that Princeton team from a year ago
that was upset in the Ivy League tournament, went and
played for Notre Dame. So maybe we'll see if Princeton
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can reverse course. But here's one thing I want to
point out, and I know that people, especially at the
mid major level, one who celebrate regular season titles, nobody
remembers in college basketball what people do during the regular season.
You are judged by what you do in the NCAA tournament.
And this is why what we're going to embark on
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right now over the next three and a half four
weeks is the greatest postseason that we have in sports.
We spend days, we spend weeks. We spent months talking
about the bubble from February first until now. We have
to remember ross that last year there were five different
teams that stole bids during their respective conference tournaments. Now,
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what is a bid stealer. A bid stealer is a
team that was not projected to make the NCAA tournament
who then wins its conference tournament and then earns a
bid to March Madness. Last year, we had Duquane out
of the Atlantic ten. We obviously had UAB out of
the AAC NC state out of the ACC won the
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ACC Tournament five games in five days and then went
on to go to the Final four under Kevin Keats.
New Mexico stole a bid out of the Mountain West,
and then Oregon did the same out of the PAC twelve.
That was five teams that were not projected to be
into the NCAA tournament who then found a way to
get to March Madness.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It is awesome talking with John Rothstein. As you can tell,
he is the best college basketball insidary. Does it for
CBS Sports company I work for as well. You know
you kind of hit on this, John, but I want
to expound upon it a little bit. What I know,
it's all the above, But what aspect of it do
you think makes it so popular? Is it the fact
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that it's brackets, like people just I don't know what
is about humans we love like my like beer punk
tournament bracket like whatever it is, Like I love brackets, okay.
And also the betting. I mean people bet a lot
on March mad and the and then it's the underdog.
It's the whole thing. If you kind of had to
rank the reasons for March Madness popularity. Where would you
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stack them up.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
It's a one game tournament. It is not obviously a
best of seven series. So the fact that we have
this game that obviously is decided by a sixty eighteen
bracket with sixty seven games, if you have one bad half,
if you have one bad game, every single thing can changed.
And then there is still the opportunity for, with everything
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that's going on in college sports, to have the most
unexpected and unpredictable results. And you know, I remember two
years ago. You know, I've been fortunate enough to work
the first four for US in Dayton. I had the
pleasure of, you know, covering Fairley Dickinson two years ago.
In twenty twenty three. Fairley Dickinson two years ago was
not good enough to win the Northeast Conference tournament. Merrimack
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won the Northeast Conference tournament, but because of transitional rule
to Division one, Merrimack was not eligible for the NCAA tournament.
So Fairly Dickinson lost in the finals of its conference tournament,
but it got the automatic qualifier because Merrimack was ineligible.
Fairly Dickinson then goes on to the first four, beats
Texas Southern in the first four, and then gets a
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matchup with Duke who had the National Player of the
Year in Zach Edy and won the Big Ten regular
season and tournament titles, and still Fairleigh Dickinson was able
then to pull off the biggest upset in the history
of the NCAA Tournament by beating Purdue. This is the
stuff that is in store. And again, if you're not
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in a situation where you're following college basketball from November
first until now, you're pretty much admitting that you hate fun.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
All right, So I want to ask you about Saint
John's because they've won the Big East for the first
time in forty years. I know you've talked about him
a lot. I'm sure. Yeah. So is this obviously Patino's
their coach? Is this a great coaching job? Or is
this John? Have we got to a point where some
Saint John's alums made a decision and they bought a
really good team. I don't follow it, right, So you
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explain to me how Saint John's seemingly came out of
nowhere to get this good.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Saint John's has been a barren program for twenty five years.
Saint John's has not won an ncublea tournament game since
two thousand. How long ago is that Jay Wright was
the head coach in Halstra. But with all that said,
Saint John's this year was able to be in a
situation because it hired a Hall of fame coach, a
can't miss coach, and Rick Patino, and it put together
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a roster now that is, you know, twenty six and
four heading into tomorrow's game against Marquette, that's the best
in the Big East. It's the first regular season title
outright for Saint John's in the Big East that's been
won by the Red Storm since the eighty four to
eighty five season, which was the year that Saint John's
went to the Final Four with Luke carnasecond Chris Malwand. Look,
one of the things that we've seen right now in
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this new landscape of college sports is the playing field
is very level. So a program like Saint Johns that
has the infrastructure in place to put together a strong
roster can now compete with the Dukes, the Kansases, and
the Kentucky's. And then conversely, some of the blue blood
programs now might be falling back to the pack a
little bit. Kansas will enter it's Big Twelve finale in
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the regular season tomorrow against Arizona, and in the last
two years, Kansas is only a combined twenty and seventeen
in Big twelve regular season games. Remember, this was a
program that from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen, under Bill's
self want at least to share excuse me, from twenty
three or so to twenty eighteen, under Bill self want
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at least to share almost every Big twelve regular season title. Remember, Ross,
it's not anarchy, it's just college basketball.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I love his closing line of every of every answer.
All right, tell me about Cooper Flag. Like, for people
that haven't watched him a lot, he's I think a
lot of people would probably say he's the name in
college basketball that they recognize, that they know, but a
lot of people still haven't really watched him that much.
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Is there any weakness to his game? Is there an
NBA guy that you compare him to that people can
kind of get that visual on their head.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
You know, Cooper Flag's like a cheet code. He's like
playing Madden when you're a kid and putting it on
the easiest possible level, because that's how effortless he makes
the game look. He's been ever been as good as advertised.
I think there's a little bit of Andre Carolenko in
his game, but he's got so much polish on the
offensive side of the floor. But Duke, without question has
the best roster in the sport. I think one of
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the things that we've all been disappointed about, and it's
not Duke's fault, is this is the worst acc that
we have seen in our lifetime. Unless there is a
big stealer at the ACC tournament, this league is likely
to get only three of its eighteen teams in the
NCAA tournament. That is just one sixth of the conference.
The ac SEA since twenty seventeen has lost the following coaches,
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Rick Bettino, Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Tony Bennett, Jim Laernega,
Buzz Williams, Mike Bray and Leonard Hamilton will lead after
this year. So it has been a major, major transition
for a conference that was the sport's most fable for
a very long time.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Wow, that is absolutely wild. You gotta check John out.
He does a terrific job throughout the tournament. If you
want to know what's going on with college basketball, follow
John Rothstein on every platform. Does a terrific job as
the college basketball insider for CBS Sports. That was perfect.
Thank you so much, John.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Thanks, Ross were sleeping.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
May be sure to catch the live edition of The
Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I absolutely love talking with this guy every week on
the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. I call him this civilian
goat because I think he is the best film watcher
and film breakdowner, if that's a word of anybody that
did not play or coach in the NFL. He's been doing,
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He's doing a lot longer than a lot of people
have been doing. What they've been doing forty five plus years.
He is the great. Greg Coasel joins me typically Thursdays
on the Ross Tucker Podcast. But we got to talk
quarterbacks because there's a bunch of teams that need them. Greg,
always great to talk with you. We're doing it twice
this week, not just once. Appreciate the time. I guess
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let's start with the college guys, because there's gonna be
at least one, maybe more NFL teams that find their
starting quarterback via the draft. And so, is there a
guy that was a clear number one when you broke
down shardor Sanders and war and all these guys who
kind of jumped out to you.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah, And I think just before I give you that person,
and people who maybe listen to us and to listen
to me know that I believe it's cam Ward. But
I think the important point to remember is quarterbacks have
different traits and different attributes and different characteristics. That doesn't
mean that they can't play in the league. It just
means that the variables that come into play, the different
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variables that come into play ross And you know this
having played in the league. Now you start getting into
things like team scheme around them, coaching. You know, there's
so many factors involved that just because a quarterback might
not be high on my list or might not be
number one, doesn't mean he can't play in the league.
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It's just you have to understand what their traits and
attributes are and what that means when you project them.
So I thought when I watched cam Ward, I thought
that he was the most physically gifted of the quarterbacks
in this draft, that he had high level traits in
order to, you know, ideally become a good player in
the league. He's got a live arm, he's got a
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playmaking dimension to his game. Obviously he's got some things
he has to clean up. I actually watched him speak
at the podium at the combine and he said, quite clearly,
which is true, that there were times he held the
ball too long and that's some sacks are on him,
and that's something he has to clean up. And I
think that's another thing that people have to realize is
that none of these quarterbacks enter the league as a
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finished product, and there's things that have to be coached
and develop and that takes time, and those things can
show up in the NFL and it doesn't mean that
they're going to be bad players. So there's so many
factors involved. But I thought clearly him war to me,
was a defined number one quarterback prospect in this draft class.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
And so, okay, and we know he's gonna get drafted.
Whar he's gonna get drafted. But when you look at him, Greg,
did you think like number one pick that quarterba.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I started to feel that way the more I watched
him yes, and again it may or may not happen.
You know, when you hear the Tennessee Titans brass talk,
you kind of get this sense they hold a number
one pick that they'd like to get more players because
their roster is kind of depleted. So I don't know. Again,
you never know if teams want want to trade up.
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We won't know that, you know, probably for a while.
But I started to feel the more I watched Ward,
and I just want people to understand that I watched
him last summer seven eight games at Washington State. I
think I watched nine games this year at the University
of Miami. And the more I watched him, you know,
as I said, there are definitely things that need to
be cleaned up. There's no question. There's a little bit
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of a looseness and lack of discipline at times to
his game that must be coached hard. But he can
work the pocket, he can make progression throws, he can
make outstanding outside of structured throws, which were prevalent throughout
his tape. So I came to believe that, yes, he
could be that kind of prospect.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
All right, some of these other guys, Greg, you know,
shardor Sanders and Jackson Dart. Just watching the video, which
is what you do, was there, who would you say
was the next most impressive guy on video?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
I mean, if you're just going by tape, and again
I'm not going to sit here and say this is
where guys are going to get drafted, but I would say,
just watching tape, I came away really impressed with Tyler
Shuck out of He played for three teams in his
college career, but he ended up this year at Louisville.
It was the first year that he truly played as
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a full time starter and played pretty much all the games.
I mean he was in. He came out of Arizona.
It seems like he came out twenty years ago as
one of the top rated quarterbacks in the country. But again,
he's a very intriguing player because of his age, which
by the way, most gms don't view that as a problem.
It's more the injury history. But you know, I thought
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that he did a lot of the little things really well.
Ball security. Always kept both hands on the ball when
forced to move out of the pocket, whether climbing or escaping. Laterally,
he has a very easy delivery. He worked from a
firm base. He could sit on his back foot with
bodies around him and drive the football. Yet he could
throw with pace and touch, he could layer throws. He
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had enough movement that he's not a playmaker, but he
had enough movement where he's not a statue. I thought
his traits were strong, and I thought his tape was
really really good. Now, again, I don't know where he's
going to get drafted. I'm sure he's going to be
polarizing in draft rooms. I'm sure there's some people listening
right now that probably think, oh, he's you know, he's
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a third round player and he's not gonna make it.
You know, we don't know the answer to these questions.
But the tape was very good. And you know what,
he's six' five and he's two twenty five and as
you Know ross having played in this, league that's a.
Trait there's a big difference between being six' one and
six five when you're. A quarterback talking.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
With The great Greg co CELL From nfl, films here
you can check him out on social Media at Greg
CO cell's i think a lot of People listening greg
On The fox sports radio affiliates are Watching on peacock
are probably surprised that the second most impressive quarterback to
you Was Not. Shador sanders so what did you see
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when you Broke down shador, Sanders tape since there's obviously
the subject of a lot, of conversation.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
And again his tape. Not bad, you know that's the issue,
You face ross as you, know this you talk every,
single day and you know the way People Respond what
i'm about to say is not a knock at All In.
SHADOR sanders i just think you need to understand what
kind of quarterback, he is and by, the way you can,
be very very good in. The league he's, an easy
natural thrower to. The football he does not have higher
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level arm strength and You can that's a discussion that
people have all the time about the relative merits of
arm strength IN. The nfl some believe, it's important some
believe it's it's not one of the most. Important traits
that's a discussion people have all the time when they.
Evaluate quarterbacks, you know just as a, quick ASIDE when
i hear the phrase he can make all, the throws
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that tells me he can't make all. The Throws and
i'm Talking. About shador i'm talking ABOUT when i hear
that about quarterbacks, in general because why are we. Saying that,
you know so you know a quarterback could make all,
the throws then why are we, even having, you know.
Saying that, but anyway getting Back, TO shador I think
chador is much more of a ball distributor and executor of.
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An offense that's the style of quarter. He is and by,
the way you can be a really good quarterback IN
the nfl playing. THAT way, i think As with WARD
that i mentioned a few things that need to be,
cleaned up there's a few Things with shador that need
to be. Cleaned up, number one he has a tendency
to hold the ball with one hand when he. Feels
pressure you know as WELL as. I do that has
to be cleaned up IN, the nfl and that'll be
(36:19):
one of the first things that's, cleaned up because you
cannot give the ball away IN. The nfl and second,
of all he has a tendency to. Retreat backwards you
cannot retreat backwards IN. The nfl but you're dealing with
a guy that at his best. Is rhythmic he's, a
distributor he's an easy thrower for the. Most part his
ball placement is. Pretty precise there's a lot, to LIKE
(36:41):
but i think he's a, ball distributor, YOU know i
think in, some ways, YOU know i THOUGHT.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
OF.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
C j stroud when he came Out Of. OHIO state
I thought stroud was a better prospect in a number.
Of ways but they're both sort of at their core.
Pocket quarterbacks and, YOU know I think sam not at
the Level of Stroud when stroud, came out but he's
that kind of player.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Stylistically interesting Talking With, GREG cosa i want To transition
greg to the veteran quarterbacks because we've got free agency. Next,
week yeah and there are GUYS that i think you're gonna,
Find Jobs, Sam Donald, daniel Jones, Justin Fields. Aaron rodgers
let's Start with donald because there still seems to be
(37:28):
some debate as to whether or not he's the guy
he was in the first sixteen games, last year or
he's the guy that he was in the last. Two
games what do you think any team that Would sign
donald will be getting?
Speaker 7 (37:44):
With, HIM well i think the discussion probably revolves around
whether he's a scheme specific player or whether you can
put him in any scheme and, be effective because don't forget,
you know the year Prior, to minnesota he was a
backup quarterback For, the niners and then he Went to
Minnesota with, kevin O'Connell who pretty much everybody understands is
(38:04):
a really good pass. Game schemer the schematics of that
offense really, present clean defined throws for the quarterback at
the intermediate and. Deeper levels and that's a rarity IN
the nfl, these days with so many short balls, being
Thrown and donald was phenomenal. At that here's the statistic
that blew. Me away and he led the league in
(38:26):
passes that went more than twenty yards in the air
ross from the line. Of scrimmage think, about that more
than twenty yards in the air from the line. Of
scrimmage donald completed fifty seven percent of his passes that led.
The league, By contrast mahomes completed twenty six percent of.
His Passes and i'm Not suggesting donald's a better Quarterback.
Than mahomes That's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Not he already. Said it it's on. Social, media, yeah
yeah there.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
You, go so, YOU know, i MEAN so i think
that that's the Discussion with donald as to whether you could,
sign him plug him into any system and he would,
be successful or whether what he did a year ago
was very foundationally a product of Working with. Kevin O'Connell
and that's probably one of those things that there's no
it's not a. Mathematical equation no one knows the answer to,
(39:14):
that specifically AND that i don't get into, the money
but that will probably dictate what teams. Offer him if
people felt you could put him in any system ross
and he'd, be great he'd probably be in the forty
five to fifty. Million range if people feel that that's not,
the case he'll probably be closer to the thirty thirty five,
million range and we'll see where it goes. From there
but we're dealing with a six four to two hundred
(39:35):
and twenty five pound guy with a, big arm AND
need i say he can make every THROWER ofs, i, Love,
Sorry greg and of course, he's mobile he can move.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
As, well yeah. Absolutely Love greg cosell comes On The
Dan patrick show and drops a stat of the Day
On sam darnold throwing it over twenty. Yards, downfield greg
What About? Daniel jones You know i'm curious. About him
is there Any Chance daniel jones could be This Year's
(40:06):
sam darnold or two Years AGO's, baker mayfield that he
could be sort of the reclamation Project in cleveland or
somewhere and play at a.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
HIGH level a true enigma, For me ross because, you
know up to, this point i'd have to SAY that
i was wrong. ABOUT him i liked him. Coming OUT
now i didn't like him THE way i thought He'd Be,
josh ALLEN but i liked him, coming out and as
we probably, ALL remember i know, you do his, rookie
year he was. Very good there was a sense coming
off his rookie season that he, could be, you know
(40:38):
A quality nfl. Starting quarterback now we can start looking
at any number of reasons why it, didn't happen, o
line lack, of weapons but you have to also look at,
the player. You know and one of the Things About
daniel JONES that i thought started to really show itself
and again now you get, into teams scheme and, other
factors is even though he is mobile as a straight,
(41:02):
line runner he's fairly robotic in. The pocket and one
thing that, he LACKS and i think this is a really,
important trait one thing that he lacks is, pocket movement
and that's a difference between running out of. The pocket
that's there are two totally. Different traits pocket movement is
the ability to move within. The pocket think of an
(41:23):
area that's, you know SMALLER than i let's say the
size of a, boxing ring but, you know just to
give you a sense of sort of confined space to
be able to move in, the pocket within, the pocket to,
avoid pressure keep your, eyes downfield maintain, your focus not
lose your focus of the routes and, the coverage and
still then reset your platform to deliver. THE ball i
(41:44):
think that that's a trait that he needs that he hasn't,
really SHOWN and i think that's really imperative for the
style of quarterback that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
He is check him out on social Media At greg
cosel so you know wherever, he's at especially when he
joins Me, on thursdays typically On The Ross Tucker. Football
podcast obviously forty FIVE years. Nfl films, Just, Incredible greg
thank you. So much, As, always ross.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
Really appreciate being on with. You today thanks for having
me
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