April 15, 2025 • 36 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay hits the track with Marion Jones, considered the fastest woman in the world and a household name during the 2000 Summer Olympics. However, in 2008, Jones was sentenced to six months in prison after pleading guilty to charges of lying to federal investigators in 2003 overusing performance-enhancing drugs. 49 days of solitary confinement helped Marion realize her full potential leaving her focused on helping others. This is the ultimate redemption story! Marion’s Pod Second Wind is available wherever you get your podcasts. https://www.youtube.com/@SecondWindPod
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazer and joining me now is somebody who
you know everybody loves a redemption story and redemptions on us.
I always have a saying, you never know what lies
around next Tuesday. The next Tuesday, your life can change.
You can go for the bed or can you can
make a choice and make your life get back on
a track you never even knew it would lead to.
(00:36):
That's a pretty good way to intro our. Next guest
Marion Jones, who has one time labeled the fastest woman alive,
had five medals you have to correct me, five Olympic
medals and life Firal.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Had some drug issues. I was involved in Balco, did some.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Prison time, but before he hit that because I always
want to do the redemptions first and then go back
to it. You have used all your experiences to now
come up with a new podcast. It's just launched called
Second Wind, which I love obviously with who you are,
but kind of dive into how this all came about.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, Jay well, thank you for having me on. It's
nice to meet you. It has been an incredible ride,
to say the least. And there's not many people in
this world, I think that can truly say that they
have hit one of the one of the peaks of
their career, right, and I certainly did. At least I
(01:30):
thought that was the peak of my career because I
am of course on my second wind. And then, you know,
choices and life and things happen and you kind of
lose it all and you wonder for a short period
of time, Jay, like like what's next? Like where am
I going after all of this? You know, what does
redemption look like for me? And then you just grind
(01:53):
and you bounce back and you pick yourself up and
you figure it out and you learn tools on not
only how to cope, but how to push through even further.
And so that's where we're at now. Yes, So you know,
alongside my friend and business partner Susanne Evans, we've launched
Second Wind, which launched on March the eighteenth. Again, really,
(02:16):
what it is is a podcast for everybody, Jay, It's
for people whom again have caught a bad break. I've
made a poor choice, which I think encompasses most people
on this earth, right, and you're right, and then you
come back and your second win, and so we chat
with entrepreneurs and celebrities and athletes and people whom I
(02:39):
feel like are on their second win and have just
a really inspiring story to share. And it's been something
that has been in my wheelhouse for many years and
it's come to fruition this year and I'm so excited
about it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Mart I like to say I'm fucked up, and I'm
good with my fucked upness.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You know, I'm very open about everything I've ever done
or issues, and I think it was really trying to
I wrote a mental health a few years ago, called
them breakable because I'm like, the center of dude is mom, football, fighting, ballers.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No one's question my manhood. So I could the more
I talk about things, the more I fell. I think
I'm being in service and it's helping in between my ears.
So I appreciate somebody coming on and saying, hey, this
is what this is what I did. So I got
a bunch of different questions for you. So let's go back,
obviously to when you're the fastest woman in the world.
Were you the fastest woman in the world without the
(03:29):
use of drugs, and if you were, what got you
to use them?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, the answer is I certainly believe that, you know,
without making the choices to without making the choices to
do certain things, that I would have been considered the
fastest woman in the world. And that's simply just based
off of facts. This is not me guessing, This is
not my opinion. This is the fact that from the
(03:58):
time I was an age group tracked to the time
when I decided to step away from the sport, I
was dominating and there was a certain amount of time
in that were you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two
years old, right and right like the world is on
a silver platter to me, and I'm making choices in
(04:18):
regards to whom I'm surrounding myself with. And it's one
of the things I tell my clients and that I
share with young people and young aspiring athletes. Be very careful,
as you know, Jay, the company that you keep and
surround yourself with people who are going to lift you
up and not just try and take from you. And
it's very easy when you're that age and you're making
(04:40):
a lot of money, A lot.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Of crowd DUTs, Yeah, a lot of crowd duds.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, I like to say, you know, like just it's
very easy for people to take, take, take, and I
just made choices and didn't ask questions about supplements that
were given to me and all the like. I didn't
ask questions. I just trusted people. But again, to answer
your initial question, do I think right, like you know,
I could have won the gold medals and the bronze
(05:04):
medals and all the success that came my way without
having been given certain stuff. Yes, all right, And so
I always like to clear up though, j when we're
sharing the story, like the facts of it, and that
is that like in all of it, like, did I
sit down and take anything like knowingly thinking that that
was going to make me faster? The answer is no,
(05:25):
besides what I thought was all natural. Right now, My issue, right,
and I like to clear this up for people don't
know the story or don't remember the story or whatever.
My issue is that I made choices years later to
lie about what I was given once I found out
what it was, and I lied to federal investigators, which
is always a no no, right, And because of that, Jake, right,
(05:49):
I accepted my sentence of six months incarceration. But again,
like there's no excuses, like I messed up, paid the consequences.
But you know, I like to say, man, do I
wish I could go back and do things slightly different? Sure,
but I would be right as you Jay, You wouldn't
(06:10):
be the man that you are today without having gone
through some shit, and I would not be the woman
that I am today without the same. And so in
a way, in a really fed up, odd type of way,
I am grateful for the hiccups. I'm grateful for the
bumps because one you quickly realized who your true circle is,
right when you have nothing to provide for them, right
(06:33):
except who you are, Right Like there was a period
of time where there was no gifts being shared, right,
there's no success being had, and the people who were
through it with me through it all and are with
mouth like, those are the people you hang on to.
So just I always always like to give that little
bit of a bit of information, Jack, I love that
(06:54):
because people.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This podcast know I say all the time, I'm most
proud of my scores. Right, so look I'm in the
TV Hall of Fame. That was the second guy in
the NFL fight professionally in midst martial art Diana Emmy.
I never talked about them, but I just did right there.
But I never talked about it. I always talk about
the shit I've overcome, you know, the grind and the
grind and the grind and the grind in the hours
(07:17):
of work when people don't see your you know, training
guys with twelve ruptures on my back and you know,
breaking my nose seven times and my help. The scars
are that's our equity and we all have them, I mean,
so for you to embrace them, I think it's amazing
that you do it. What got you to because a
lot of people resentment, resentful of their scars and their experiences.
(07:38):
What was the pivot for you to go? You know what,
I can either be you know, just curious that this
all happened. Ark he used to be of service. What
was that pivot for you?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you there was a brief moment
and I think we all go through it when you
just sit in disbelief, you pissed off with yourself. You're
pissed off, yeah, and then once you get past that point,
you're like, okay, right, Like I also think let me
tell you, Jay, and I'll answer your question in a moment.
But I also think that you know, you realize that,
(08:09):
oh I do at least that I must have just
been because I'm a believer, right like, and I think
that you're not ever given more than what you can handle.
I also think that my background in sport at the
highest level has kind of given me certain tools to
handle stress and to handle hard times. And that's not
(08:29):
to say that everybody who wasn't an athlete can't, of course,
but I think that I have a leg up and
advantage when it comes to that. But right, like, that's
my life, right, Like I teach my clients now, you
need to embrace the discomfort, right because that's when the
true growth happens. Right if you're like, oh this hurts.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Or oh this is uncomfortable, okay, But like I get
to that, you get to that moment where you're like,
you know what, how can I use this for the
good and not just the good to make me better
or you know, like financially sound, but like how.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Can I use this mess? And we've heard the term
many times, how can I turn this mess into just
a message to help people? You're there, Jay, You've been there.
It's what you do, right, Like the hope, the goal
is that you know only I have to go through
stuff and not everybody right, people are gonna go right, right?
How can I turn this mess into just a message
(09:27):
for people not to have to go through it?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
We go through this pain to help others do theirs.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That is my fuel. I talk fuel now. I'll tell
you for a few reasons. Jay. One, I'm almost fifty.
I'm aa turn fifty this year. It's crazy, crazy to
think that, But I'm embarking on a new physical challenge
which I haven't had since I retired from sport over
many years ago. And then I'm starting to do some triathlons.
I'm starting to focus on an endurance sport which I
(09:54):
know nothing about, right, Like my sport of choice was
quick move here, and so the idea, at the age
of fifty, I'm going to tackle a sport that I've
had so much respect for for decades, and endurance fort
So I mentioned the word fuel because that's all that
triathletes talk about, making sure you fuel your workouts, making
sure you fuel your competition. But now like making sure
(10:16):
that I fuel my community, right, like I give them
the tools on how to not only hope with their
shits right, like base it head on and deal with it,
but like move forward. And when was that necessary moment
for me when I realized that either they are effed
over or they make choices to do it to themselves.
(10:37):
It's resonates with everybody. It's not just women, it's not
just people of color, like whatever, it's everybody. And so
like this idea that my story which is very personal,
and there's moments even when I sit and I'm like, man,
the amount of people that I think need to hear
it are hearing it, and they're like, yeasty, stuck in
(10:59):
our off failure is not forever. Our setbacks And it's
kind of my mantra now, Jay, like, our setbacks can
be the catalyst for our biggest comeback in life. Right,
you don't have to stay there. I hate it. I'll
tell you I hate it when I hear people say, oh,
I don't know way out, like I don't know a
way okay. First is for you to look in the mirror,
(11:24):
right and for you to say yes, like I made
a mess of this situation. I acknowledge it. You apologize
you do whatever you gotta do with your people, with
your family. Let's handle it, like, what are the tools
to get you out of your stuff?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And don't stay there? It's huge for me.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So I am the king of self sabotage, and like
my mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, my bipole or
everything always tell me I'm not worthy of things.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So I will.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Sabotage because the pain of living in question for when
it's going to end is worse than an ending. I'll
speed up the end so I know I've done it,
and I've done a ship ton of work on this.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I just got married last year.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I wouldn't have been able to get married to this amazing,
beautiful Rosie Tennis and had I not done this work
and be able to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I understood why I'm sabotaging.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Have you figured out the why you decided to do
what you did then, because obviously you said, we have
some some shit. Was it trusting people? Was it you
saying no, I don't Is it unworthiness thing? Kind of
die deep of beer?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, Jay, you know, it's a little bit of all
of that. It's a little bit of this idea. And
again I don't. I am cautious to like, excuse, excuse, excuse,
I don't. I don't see any of this as that
I see. These are just me identifying, like just speaking
(12:52):
flax along the way. You know, I am a product
of an incredible single parent household, right like my mom
is a is was it will always be a rock star.
She came to this country to create a better life
for herself and her two kids, my older brother and I.
(13:14):
So I didn't have a father figure in the house.
So when I decided right, I graduated from college, I
had a lot of success. And again success hit me
very fast. At the age of twenty one years old.
I was a young student athlete at the University of
North Carolina, and when I graduated, like success hit me
like that. In regards to money, in regards to fame,
(13:36):
in regards to man, I'm I'm physically gifted. I'm being
able to use this for all of this. And I
find that at that time, right when people are telling
you how great you are, how great you are marrying
and patting you on the back, and they become yes people,
you know what I mean? Those are people that are
gonna say yes to you, no matter what do you
(13:58):
call them jags? Right, and you start to be like,
oh this and you distance yourself from the people in
your life who're going to give it to you straight
and is probably, you know, success happening so fast me
was probably the worst thing that could happen as opposed
to it be a slow, hard climb right now, hit
(14:22):
me so fast? And so because of that, I can
identify like certain reasons why and and all of that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Weyler Maren also won the NC double A tournament for
a North Carolina which is what you has are crazy
back there? If people what's the difference in euphoria when
you win an NC double A tournament and win a
gold medal?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh, oh, that's a great question. They're both so incredibly satisfying.
The one the gold medal for an individual event is
special because it's you versus the clock, right, Like, yes,
you have the support of your family and your friends,
but literally it's a lonely, lonely journey to win an
individual event at the Games, right. I find that the
(15:04):
more success you get in the life, the lonelier your
journey has been. But with a team sport and a
national championship, it has created a a sisterhood, right, that
is unbreakable. We celebrated our thirty plus year anniversary, which
is crazy again to think Jay incredible, Like, if I
(15:25):
get those thirteen other women next to me right now,
it'll feel like I'm seventeen, eighteen years old. It is
an incredible moment. Anyways, Yeah, that's that's a special special
time for me before the chaos and crazy of life began.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So I always like to say that the secret of
grade this is really the amount of work you put
them when no one's watching you. I have a wrestling background.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Nobody watches us.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
We're usually cafeteria somewhere, you know, just filthy, grimy, cutting weights, disgusting,
But that it's maybe why I am.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And you're kind of saying the same a little bit
same thing about track and fuel.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Tell me about what as to be the best in
track and feel those hours and the rest of us
don't see.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, I'll start sharing this part of the story with
a little with a little story for you. An example.
So when I was training, I trained it back in
North Carolina. After I graduated, I stay there for a
bit and train, and I would get to the track
right Like again, it's a lonely, lonely at the top
is lonely, right, and and people who are like, you know,
(16:25):
how do you find success? I'm gonna tell you, a
are you prepared? Right to me?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
As if no one's willing to get up when you're
getting up and.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
All nobody knows the pain, nobody knows restless nights when
those legs can't like relax or your brain or your body. Anyways,
that's that's again a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But I like to hear this what we want to hear.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I would get to the track every single workout,
every single workout. I would get there early, always before
everybody else, Like I don't. I mean, there are millions
of elite athletes who tell you the same, like it's
just part of who we are. Because I need to
process it, right, I need to process the setting. I
need to process like who's gonna show up that day.
(17:05):
I know who's gonna show up, but hey, get in
that frame of mind. I always like to train early
so that there's no more distractions in the day. I'm
not opening mail and sing something. I'm not opening up
the paper back then and seeing something. Right, there was
no social media, thankfully, I'm a jeep lover. So I'd
sit in my jeep and I'd flip down my visor Jay,
(17:26):
and I'd look at myself in that mirror. I'm by myself,
and I'd say, marrying, who's gonna show up today? Is
anybody in the world going to train better than you?
Harder than you, faster than you, smarter than you? I
would flip it down. I'd make my way out to
the track. Two, three, four hours later, I get back
in the jeep, open up the visor, and I will
(17:47):
tell you in this, in the career span of over
a decade, right, and I'm being honest with you, I
open up that visor and a no more than a
handful of five times. Right. I looked at myself and
I was like, nobody today, right, nobody today. Now, I
don't know why those five times?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Like, I'm always kicked myself. It's one of a reason
I have many sleepless nights like why that one day?
Who showed up? But that's how I am, even with
what I do, right, Like, I'm always like, how to
make it bigger? How to impact more people's lives? And
it is a it is a it is a it's
a crusher situation. But again, I feel like not everybody
(18:28):
in this life, Jake has been given certain things to
impact the masses, right, And no I'm not a god.
I'm not here with God complex or any of that.
But we all have our strengths in life, right, and
it's our responsibility we've been once, we've been handed them
(18:49):
at birth, to research it, to work on it, to
make it better, to impact more people. And I'm always like, oh,
did you do it today? Did you did you put
in the hour today? Even now, No, it's not like
training at the level that I did before, although now
it is for a triathlete a little bit, but now
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it's other things. It's impacting the lives of the people
in my community. We have social media, which has been
a whole other beast and having to figure out now Jay,
Like we didn't grow up with that shit, right. I
wish we could go back in time, right and like.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We were around and uninvented.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But then again, for people, I speak with a lot
of entrepreneurs about like how to be successful in business
and how to come back from loss, whether it's financial
or whatever. And I have so many clients who are
like our age and a little bit older who are
so anti social media. Right, if you're wishing and hoping
(19:48):
that we're gonna like it's it's gonna be a fad, right,
it's gonna be a thing. Like you you must not
want your business to throw, right, you better figure that out.
I had to figure that out during COVID. I'm also
a trainer, like love health. I love fitness, you know,
I love wellness. And I was a trainer for a
lot number of years. And COVID hit and my background
(20:10):
and technology, I didn't grow up with the computer in
my house, right, like we used to have the little
uh I don't know, the cameras where you would take
to Walgreens and they you know those type and so yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, yeah, the suzzble ones. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I made a decision like this is my I love it,
it's my passion. I want to help people. And you
mean that something has happened in the world, and I'm
going to know because I always see things as an opportunity,
Like people can just look at things and be like
whoe is me? I'm like, nope, how can I make
this opportunity? Right? And so when COVID hit and I
couldn't be in person with clients, right, And I'm like,
(20:47):
you mean I have the idea and the ability now
to train people from around the world, right, like.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
What zoom.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And and so in the height of Zoom, I was
training too three hundred clients at one time. Wow, Jay,
I had like ten eleven pages that I would have
to scroll through. People are listening to me. I'm like, hey,
turn your camera on if you want, if you want
me to be able to help your form, right, and
we get through this workout, and so I'm having to
scroll through anyways. The whole point of that is that
(21:20):
you have to embrace we go back through. It's uncomfortable.
The difference. I was up at four forty five this
morning and I have my other thing, like I have
the podcast, and I have my business of training entrepreneurs,
but I still double in my fitness training. I was
up in four forty five because I love it. Find
your passion and don't let anybody like say you can't
(21:40):
do it. You know, all those type of things. Anyways,
you can hear them, like when we talk about certain
stuff that you can hear that I'm just passionate about
and it exudes from me and I tell my clients
that if if you don't have a passion, if you're
not selling something that you love, that you'd be okay
with not making any money making zooed from your pores
(22:02):
when you walk into the room, Do you have a
certain confidence about you before.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You even open your mouth?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yes? And and create what I call when I was
talking to a group earlier today, Jay, like, create a
sticky memory with people, right, Create something in your business,
in your world that people are going to think back
on and be like, oh, like this chip something about her,
like I want to know more about her, like I
want like like just like right, and you know, you
(22:34):
just get people to say, no, we don't got to
be stuck. You don't care who you are. You don't
care if you're on the cover of Vogue magazine and
lost it all right, there's still something incredible about you
that the world should hear and just make it happen.
So that's so when.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Did you when? What was the thing that got you
make that switch from I.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Don't know if you were resentful or bift or or
had a pitty party, whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
This second win, well, you know, I I'm proud of
you for this murder.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Thank you, Jay, well, I like to say, well, I
had a lot of downtime in my six month vacation.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I do want to ask you about that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
To reflect, and again, I'm gonna make the best of
every situation. I stepped out of most time to.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Go with the pity party route.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And again it keeps going that way or something usually
trips us to make to go the other way going
you know what, to use my pain to help others
do theirs.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And let me tell you what that moment was, Jay, Right,
like when I won, when I stepped out of the
facility in Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas. That was the
federal institution I was housed in. I one stepped out
of there the best shape in my life. Okay, really
because I had so much time like a movement and exercise.
That is my stress reliever. And I don't care if
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you keep me in solitary, which I was for forty
nine days, right, if you keep me stuck in a
small space, unless you put me in a sharp cage, right,
I'm gonna Jay. And I became friends with the guards
and they would slit me an extra peanut butter and
(24:18):
banana to make sure I had some fuel. Right anyway,
But in those quiet, dark, hard times, I like to say,
I and was able to reflect because things before I
was on this wave. Right, listen to this example. I'm
on this wave and it just takes you further and
further out sometimes where you can't touch the bottom and
(24:38):
you're just kind of treading and you're kind of existing
and surviving and you're moving away from like the reality
of the ground and the earth, right, and so you're
making decisions and it's quick and you're not right. But now,
like the wave that had brought me back, and I'm
on the shore and I'm like, you know what, how
did I get to be to this? How did I
(24:59):
get here? Right? But more important, like what was my mother?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Who sacrificed so much right and left this small third
world country and made the decision at whatever age I
don't know how old she was when she came here
with my older brother, and she's like, you know what,
Like I don't, I don't know, but I've heard, I've
read that it can give a better life for me
and my babies, right, Like, how does how do if
(25:28):
I'm here sulking about them stuck? I'm stuck, and my
mom right, it's a hard childhood just says you know what,
I don't care. I'm going to do it. I don't
know what the future holds, but I know it's got
to be better than where I'm at right now. And
that was my inspiration, right, that one right, like the
(25:48):
dream that my mom had, right for her babies, right
to be a success, to make a real impact in
this life was not going to go unheard, right, And
that was my fuel, really, And it was the first time.
And I give the story about the wave and the
treading water so you can get some context. I'm moving
(26:09):
fast and there's chaos and I needed I needed a
moment of stillness, right, And it was prison for me.
I hope. My hope is that it's not for others, right,
But that's for me. Sometimes you just need to be
like you need your you can slow your ass damp
and you need to get away from that world of
chaos and say, okay, who am I? But more importantly,
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who do I want to be? Who do I want
to be in this world? Right? Do I want to
just be remembered as the fast? To me, it's like
the idea of being remembered as the fastest woman in
the world. There was a time, Jay, when I was like, yeah,
that's what I want to be remembered at. Right when
when you're and you get to a certain age where
you're like, man, I want to be remembered for like
(26:53):
a human who sacrificed and like made real impact in
the lives of people. Like you get to a place
in your life when that is what you aspire to
do and to be and that is to me and
people will say it's so true. I mean it is.
It is the feeling that knowing that, like, Okay, I
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had to go through stuff and my time away and
from what I've had to deal with with the public
and like fighting for my name back and like all
that type of stuff and my reputation. It's been a
hard wood.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
When people hear the story and they're like, wait, if
she can do this and she can pull herself off
and she bounced back and she can be here and
there and everywhere, and now getting an opportunity and a
platform to share her story when there were so many doors, Jay,
that were shut when I came out of prison and
I was like, okay, y I'll shoo my story. No boom,
(27:48):
nobody wants to hear it. No boom, nobody wants to
hear it. And I'm patient. And I put into time right,
and I nurtured myself and I grew, and I nurtured
my family and they grow right and and and then
now all of a sudden, I get a call, Hey,
you want to be on Special Forces, which is just
an incredible show that I was on last this past year.
(28:09):
It's on Hulu now, the World's Toughest Task. Like that's
not just that's me putting in the work. That's God.
But like all those those type of things don't just happen.
And then from there it's a catalyst for something else.
And it's the podcast, and it's the triathlon, and it's
all these different things, and it just lines up because
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I put in the time and it was hard.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
If you're going forward, you ain't going backwards.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
But I had two more questions for you.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
One just a last I just want to hit on
telling you said you got put in the whole for
forty nine days.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Why ah, okay, let me give you a quick Let
me give me the quick story. So as some people
know that might be seeing and hearing this, you know,
when you're incarcerated, there's there's no money, right, so you
can purchase from commissary. I think goods, things that you
need and want. Usually your family will put money on
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your books and type of stuff. But also people make
money if they don't have family and friends that put
on the books. They're hustle, right, They they help with laundry, right,
they sew, they cook, they do all these little things
right to make money if they don't have a support
system to put money on their books. Also, in a
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lot of these institutions, right, there's theft, and so you
don't necessarily want to stand at the washer and dryer
for two hours, so you hire somebody with it who's
trying to make money, which I quickly realized like that
was the thing. I don't want I stealing my stuff,
So you hire somebody to do your lune. Well, I
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find and I worked out Jay while I was there,
and so I had a few different like sweatsuits, but
I call it that all right. And all of a sudden, Jay,
I'm realizing, like I don't have a s my sweat
sure they're coming up missing, and I'm still paying out
via commissary this individual and so like I'm trying to
(30:08):
navigate the prison system. I don't have any history of it.
Nobody in my family ever has. So I learned when
you get in there. And so I'm like, all right, well,
how am I going to like bring this up to
this person without offending anybody? Right? And so I decided
one you don't do it around a lot of people, right,
like anybody, you do it one on one. So one
(30:29):
day the young lady and I asked her gently. I
was like, you know, I didn't ask her. I was like,
you know what I think. I think I'm going to
start to do my own laundry, right like, just like that,
like you know, thank you, and I'll finish paying you. Well,
she took offense. Why because that's her last through your hood.
I also found out a little bit later she was
on some some meds and stuff. She hadn't been taking them.
(30:51):
So there was an altercation, right, and I ran out
of the room after there was some as we back
in the day used to say, fist the cuffs, fist
the cuffs, and I ran to the guard. She was
bleeding all kinds of stuff and because of that, we
got taken across the street to High security. I was
putting the shoe. If you know with you know a
federal institution that's lock up twenty three out of twenty
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four hours a day. And because it was her word
versus my word, they had to do an investigation. And
so forty nine days later I was able.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
To do forty nine days Because you want to fight,
that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Hey yeah, but again her word versus my word. But
not again, I tell you to be by myself like
I had. I needed that in my life. Even when
I was on the lower security side they call it
a camp. I was around a lot of people and
I was having to navigate life and how to figure
that out. Which, again, Jay, if I would have had
(31:45):
that time that I needed to figure out who I want,
who I am, I'm moving forward what I was going
to do. So I am grateful for those forty nine
days in the shoe. They were tough, but hey, yeah,
like it all right?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Question for you?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I asked all my guests, this, give me your real
breakable moment, the moment that sharebroken. You could have and didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tull stronger.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You may have already discussed it, but just frame it.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, I haven't discussed it yet. So my unbreakable moment,
Jay was standing on the courtroom steps after everything happened.
It was the day of my sentencing. I had already,
you know, made the decision that I was going to
share with the world that I had lied to federal investigators,
and we had the sentencing and going into that day,
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you know, I had my legal team and everything. Going
into that day, it was recommended that I would get probation.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Was prison time a possibility, of course, it always is,
But the court recommends stuff. They research the person's life
on what potentially good can come out of them being incarcerated,
and what good they weigh that, and what good the
person probation maybe help athletes, maybe help young people make
better choices. And so stepping in that courtroom, we me
(33:06):
and my legal team were fairly you know, fairly prepared
for a sentence of probation, fines, et cetera. And three
hours later, I looked to my left and right my
legal team, and I had to ask them, did he
did this guy just say six months locked up? Like
(33:28):
like I couldn't even fathom it, Jay, Right, Like, even
though you knew it was on the table, right, like
everybody's like marrying, don't even don't even like you're not
going to go to p like no other athlete like
this a whole other story, no nobody else who was
involved in any of this. Right, it's not going to happen.
And I had to look to my left and I
was like, I was just done. You're just donned. I
(33:49):
don't know. At that point, I had two little boys,
two kids. Now I have three beautiful kids who are
almost grown now. But man, I'm like what. So after that,
in that moment of just being in shock, I walk
out of the courtroom and I walked down the steps
and there are, however, maybe felt like a thousand cameras
(34:13):
waiting for a statement from me, and I could have
easily just kind of like been ushered to the car,
and I was like, no, right, like the world embraced me.
I'll tell you, the world embraced me. Right, they put
me on every cover of every magazine. Talk but right,
it is my responsibility to step up now and do
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the right thing right and share with the world what
happened that I'm sorry for it. And my unbreakable moment
is when I stood in front of that microphone and
I shared with the world that I had made poor choices.
But my unbreakable moment was not just that. It was
my mom's hand on my shoulder right like, giving me
comfort and support, whispering in my ear You've got this,
(34:58):
I'm here. We're going to get through this. And that
was the moments. As hard as it was Jay to
know that my rep everything at that moment would change forever,
but feeling her hand on my shoulder, knowing that she
loves me no matter what, and if my mama tells
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me that we're going to get through this, we're going
to get through this.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
And so that was my moment, Jay, Maren, I really
appreciate you joining me in vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Vulnerability is true track and I really appreciate it. Tell
everybody again about your podcast before we.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Let you go.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, So the podcast is called Second Win. It's on
anywhere that you hear and see your podcast. You know,
it's just it's just an interesting perspective. Everybody wants to
come back, want to see and hear a comeback story.
And these are people that you know, that you've heard of,
that you've been a fan of, that have been knocked down.
Similar to, maybe, whoever is hearing this and you want
(35:55):
to hear what their second win in life is all about?
Tune in. Yeah, it's something special.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Love it We ever want to guess? You got my peeps,
I'm in. Thanks Ran Jones, Thanks you for joining the
Unbreaable Mental Wealth podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah awesome
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazer and joining me now is somebody who
you know everybody loves a redemption story and redemptions on us.
I always have a saying, you never know what lies
around next Tuesday. The next Tuesday, your life can change.
You can go for the bed or can you can
make a choice and make your life get back on
a track you never even knew it would lead to.
(00:36):
That's a pretty good way to intro our. Next guest
Marion Jones, who has one time labeled the fastest woman alive,
had five medals you have to correct me, five Olympic
medals and life Firal.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Had some drug issues. I was involved in Balco, did some.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Prison time, but before he hit that because I always
want to do the redemptions first and then go back
to it. You have used all your experiences to now
come up with a new podcast. It's just launched called
Second Wind, which I love obviously with who you are,
but kind of dive into how this all came about.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, Jay well, thank you for having me on. It's
nice to meet you. It has been an incredible ride,
to say the least. And there's not many people in
this world, I think that can truly say that they
have hit one of the one of the peaks of
their career, right, and I certainly did. At least I
(01:30):
thought that was the peak of my career because I
am of course on my second wind. And then, you know,
choices and life and things happen and you kind of
lose it all and you wonder for a short period
of time, Jay, like like what's next? Like where am
I going after all of this? You know, what does
redemption look like for me? And then you just grind
(01:53):
and you bounce back and you pick yourself up and
you figure it out and you learn tools on not
only how to cope, but how to push through even further.
And so that's where we're at now. Yes, So you know,
alongside my friend and business partner Susanne Evans, we've launched
Second Wind, which launched on March the eighteenth. Again, really,
(02:16):
what it is is a podcast for everybody, Jay, It's
for people whom again have caught a bad break. I've
made a poor choice, which I think encompasses most people
on this earth, right, and you're right, and then you
come back and your second win, and so we chat
with entrepreneurs and celebrities and athletes and people whom I
(02:39):
feel like are on their second win and have just
a really inspiring story to share. And it's been something
that has been in my wheelhouse for many years and
it's come to fruition this year and I'm so excited
about it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Mart I like to say I'm fucked up, and I'm
good with my fucked upness.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You know, I'm very open about everything I've ever done
or issues, and I think it was really trying to
I wrote a mental health a few years ago, called
them breakable because I'm like, the center of dude is mom, football, fighting, ballers.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No one's question my manhood. So I could the more
I talk about things, the more I fell. I think
I'm being in service and it's helping in between my ears.
So I appreciate somebody coming on and saying, hey, this
is what this is what I did. So I got
a bunch of different questions for you. So let's go back,
obviously to when you're the fastest woman in the world.
Were you the fastest woman in the world without the
(03:29):
use of drugs, and if you were, what got you
to use them?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, the answer is I certainly believe that, you know,
without making the choices to without making the choices to
do certain things, that I would have been considered the
fastest woman in the world. And that's simply just based
off of facts. This is not me guessing, This is
not my opinion. This is the fact that from the
(03:58):
time I was an age group tracked to the time
when I decided to step away from the sport, I
was dominating and there was a certain amount of time
in that were you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two
years old, right and right like the world is on
a silver platter to me, and I'm making choices in
(04:18):
regards to whom I'm surrounding myself with. And it's one
of the things I tell my clients and that I
share with young people and young aspiring athletes. Be very careful,
as you know, Jay, the company that you keep and
surround yourself with people who are going to lift you
up and not just try and take from you. And
it's very easy when you're that age and you're making
(04:40):
a lot of money, A lot.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Of crowd DUTs, Yeah, a lot of crowd duds.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, I like to say, you know, like just it's
very easy for people to take, take, take, and I
just made choices and didn't ask questions about supplements that
were given to me and all the like. I didn't
ask questions. I just trusted people. But again, to answer
your initial question, do I think right, like you know,
I could have won the gold medals and the bronze
(05:04):
medals and all the success that came my way without
having been given certain stuff. Yes, all right, And so
I always like to clear up though, j when we're
sharing the story, like the facts of it, and that
is that like in all of it, like, did I
sit down and take anything like knowingly thinking that that
was going to make me faster? The answer is no,
(05:25):
besides what I thought was all natural. Right now, My issue, right,
and I like to clear this up for people don't
know the story or don't remember the story or whatever.
My issue is that I made choices years later to
lie about what I was given once I found out
what it was, and I lied to federal investigators, which
is always a no no, right, And because of that, Jake, right,
(05:49):
I accepted my sentence of six months incarceration. But again,
like there's no excuses, like I messed up, paid the consequences.
But you know, I like to say, man, do I
wish I could go back and do things slightly different? Sure,
but I would be right as you Jay, You wouldn't
(06:10):
be the man that you are today without having gone
through some shit, and I would not be the woman
that I am today without the same. And so in
a way, in a really fed up, odd type of way,
I am grateful for the hiccups. I'm grateful for the
bumps because one you quickly realized who your true circle is,
right when you have nothing to provide for them, right
(06:33):
except who you are, Right Like there was a period
of time where there was no gifts being shared, right,
there's no success being had, and the people who were
through it with me through it all and are with
mouth like, those are the people you hang on to.
So just I always always like to give that little
bit of a bit of information, Jack, I love that
(06:54):
because people.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This podcast know I say all the time, I'm most
proud of my scores. Right, so look I'm in the
TV Hall of Fame. That was the second guy in
the NFL fight professionally in midst martial art Diana Emmy.
I never talked about them, but I just did right there.
But I never talked about it. I always talk about
the shit I've overcome, you know, the grind and the
grind and the grind and the grind in the hours
(07:17):
of work when people don't see your you know, training
guys with twelve ruptures on my back and you know,
breaking my nose seven times and my help. The scars
are that's our equity and we all have them, I mean,
so for you to embrace them, I think it's amazing
that you do it. What got you to because a
lot of people resentment, resentful of their scars and their experiences.
(07:38):
What was the pivot for you to go? You know what,
I can either be you know, just curious that this
all happened. Ark he used to be of service. What
was that pivot for you?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you there was a brief moment
and I think we all go through it when you
just sit in disbelief, you pissed off with yourself. You're
pissed off, yeah, and then once you get past that point,
you're like, okay, right, Like I also think let me
tell you, Jay, and I'll answer your question in a moment.
But I also think that you know, you realize that,
(08:09):
oh I do at least that I must have just
been because I'm a believer, right like, and I think
that you're not ever given more than what you can handle.
I also think that my background in sport at the
highest level has kind of given me certain tools to
handle stress and to handle hard times. And that's not
(08:29):
to say that everybody who wasn't an athlete can't, of course,
but I think that I have a leg up and
advantage when it comes to that. But right, like, that's
my life, right, Like I teach my clients now, you
need to embrace the discomfort, right because that's when the
true growth happens. Right if you're like, oh this hurts.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Or oh this is uncomfortable, okay, But like I get
to that, you get to that moment where you're like,
you know what, how can I use this for the
good and not just the good to make me better
or you know, like financially sound, but like how.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Can I use this mess? And we've heard the term
many times, how can I turn this mess into just
a message to help people? You're there, Jay, You've been there.
It's what you do, right, Like the hope, the goal
is that you know only I have to go through
stuff and not everybody right, people are gonna go right, right?
How can I turn this mess into just a message
(09:27):
for people not to have to go through it?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
We go through this pain to help others do theirs.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That is my fuel. I talk fuel now. I'll tell
you for a few reasons. Jay. One, I'm almost fifty.
I'm aa turn fifty this year. It's crazy, crazy to
think that, But I'm embarking on a new physical challenge
which I haven't had since I retired from sport over
many years ago. And then I'm starting to do some triathlons.
I'm starting to focus on an endurance sport which I
(09:54):
know nothing about, right, Like my sport of choice was
quick move here, and so the idea, at the age
of fifty, I'm going to tackle a sport that I've
had so much respect for for decades, and endurance fort
So I mentioned the word fuel because that's all that
triathletes talk about, making sure you fuel your workouts, making
sure you fuel your competition. But now like making sure
(10:16):
that I fuel my community, right, like I give them
the tools on how to not only hope with their
shits right, like base it head on and deal with it,
but like move forward. And when was that necessary moment
for me when I realized that either they are effed
over or they make choices to do it to themselves.
(10:37):
It's resonates with everybody. It's not just women, it's not
just people of color, like whatever, it's everybody. And so
like this idea that my story which is very personal,
and there's moments even when I sit and I'm like, man,
the amount of people that I think need to hear
it are hearing it, and they're like, yeasty, stuck in
(10:59):
our off failure is not forever. Our setbacks And it's
kind of my mantra now, Jay, like, our setbacks can
be the catalyst for our biggest comeback in life. Right,
you don't have to stay there. I hate it. I'll
tell you I hate it when I hear people say, oh,
I don't know way out, like I don't know a
way okay. First is for you to look in the mirror,
(11:24):
right and for you to say yes, like I made
a mess of this situation. I acknowledge it. You apologize
you do whatever you gotta do with your people, with
your family. Let's handle it, like, what are the tools
to get you out of your stuff?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And don't stay there? It's huge for me.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So I am the king of self sabotage, and like
my mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, my bipole or
everything always tell me I'm not worthy of things.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So I will.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Sabotage because the pain of living in question for when
it's going to end is worse than an ending. I'll
speed up the end so I know I've done it,
and I've done a ship ton of work on this.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I just got married last year.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I wouldn't have been able to get married to this amazing,
beautiful Rosie Tennis and had I not done this work
and be able to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I understood why I'm sabotaging.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Have you figured out the why you decided to do
what you did then, because obviously you said, we have
some some shit. Was it trusting people? Was it you
saying no, I don't Is it unworthiness thing? Kind of
die deep of beer?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, Jay, you know, it's a little bit of all
of that. It's a little bit of this idea. And
again I don't. I am cautious to like, excuse, excuse, excuse,
I don't. I don't see any of this as that
I see. These are just me identifying, like just speaking
(12:52):
flax along the way. You know, I am a product
of an incredible single parent household, right like my mom
is a is was it will always be a rock star.
She came to this country to create a better life
for herself and her two kids, my older brother and I.
(13:14):
So I didn't have a father figure in the house.
So when I decided right, I graduated from college, I
had a lot of success. And again success hit me
very fast. At the age of twenty one years old.
I was a young student athlete at the University of
North Carolina, and when I graduated, like success hit me
like that. In regards to money, in regards to fame,
(13:36):
in regards to man, I'm I'm physically gifted. I'm being
able to use this for all of this. And I
find that at that time, right when people are telling
you how great you are, how great you are marrying
and patting you on the back, and they become yes people,
you know what I mean? Those are people that are
gonna say yes to you, no matter what do you
(13:58):
call them jags? Right, and you start to be like,
oh this and you distance yourself from the people in
your life who're going to give it to you straight
and is probably, you know, success happening so fast me
was probably the worst thing that could happen as opposed
to it be a slow, hard climb right now, hit
(14:22):
me so fast? And so because of that, I can
identify like certain reasons why and and all of that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Weyler Maren also won the NC double A tournament for
a North Carolina which is what you has are crazy
back there? If people what's the difference in euphoria when
you win an NC double A tournament and win a
gold medal?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh, oh, that's a great question. They're both so incredibly satisfying.
The one the gold medal for an individual event is
special because it's you versus the clock, right, Like, yes,
you have the support of your family and your friends,
but literally it's a lonely, lonely journey to win an
individual event at the Games, right. I find that the
(15:04):
more success you get in the life, the lonelier your
journey has been. But with a team sport and a
national championship, it has created a a sisterhood, right, that
is unbreakable. We celebrated our thirty plus year anniversary, which
is crazy again to think Jay incredible, Like, if I
(15:25):
get those thirteen other women next to me right now,
it'll feel like I'm seventeen, eighteen years old. It is
an incredible moment. Anyways, Yeah, that's that's a special special
time for me before the chaos and crazy of life began.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So I always like to say that the secret of
grade this is really the amount of work you put
them when no one's watching you. I have a wrestling background.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Nobody watches us.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
We're usually cafeteria somewhere, you know, just filthy, grimy, cutting weights, disgusting,
But that it's maybe why I am.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And you're kind of saying the same a little bit
same thing about track and fuel.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Tell me about what as to be the best in
track and feel those hours and the rest of us
don't see.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, I'll start sharing this part of the story with
a little with a little story for you. An example.
So when I was training, I trained it back in
North Carolina. After I graduated, I stay there for a
bit and train, and I would get to the track
right Like again, it's a lonely, lonely at the top
is lonely, right, and and people who are like, you know,
(16:25):
how do you find success? I'm gonna tell you, a
are you prepared? Right to me?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
As if no one's willing to get up when you're
getting up and.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
All nobody knows the pain, nobody knows restless nights when
those legs can't like relax or your brain or your body. Anyways,
that's that's again a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But I like to hear this what we want to hear.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I would get to the track every single workout,
every single workout. I would get there early, always before
everybody else, Like I don't. I mean, there are millions
of elite athletes who tell you the same, like it's
just part of who we are. Because I need to
process it, right, I need to process the setting. I
need to process like who's gonna show up that day.
(17:05):
I know who's gonna show up, but hey, get in
that frame of mind. I always like to train early
so that there's no more distractions in the day. I'm
not opening mail and sing something. I'm not opening up
the paper back then and seeing something. Right, there was
no social media, thankfully, I'm a jeep lover. So I'd
sit in my jeep and I'd flip down my visor Jay,
(17:26):
and I'd look at myself in that mirror. I'm by myself,
and I'd say, marrying, who's gonna show up today? Is
anybody in the world going to train better than you?
Harder than you, faster than you, smarter than you? I
would flip it down. I'd make my way out to
the track. Two, three, four hours later, I get back
in the jeep, open up the visor, and I will
(17:47):
tell you in this, in the career span of over
a decade, right, and I'm being honest with you, I
open up that visor and a no more than a
handful of five times. Right. I looked at myself and
I was like, nobody today, right, nobody today. Now, I
don't know why those five times?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Like, I'm always kicked myself. It's one of a reason
I have many sleepless nights like why that one day?
Who showed up? But that's how I am, even with
what I do, right, Like, I'm always like, how to
make it bigger? How to impact more people's lives? And
it is a it is a it is a it's
a crusher situation. But again, I feel like not everybody
(18:28):
in this life, Jake has been given certain things to
impact the masses, right, And no I'm not a god.
I'm not here with God complex or any of that.
But we all have our strengths in life, right, and
it's our responsibility we've been once, we've been handed them
(18:49):
at birth, to research it, to work on it, to
make it better, to impact more people. And I'm always like, oh,
did you do it today? Did you did you put
in the hour today? Even now, No, it's not like
training at the level that I did before, although now
it is for a triathlete a little bit, but now
(19:09):
it's other things. It's impacting the lives of the people
in my community. We have social media, which has been
a whole other beast and having to figure out now Jay,
Like we didn't grow up with that shit, right. I
wish we could go back in time, right and like.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
We were around and uninvented.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But then again, for people, I speak with a lot
of entrepreneurs about like how to be successful in business
and how to come back from loss, whether it's financial
or whatever. And I have so many clients who are
like our age and a little bit older who are
so anti social media. Right, if you're wishing and hoping
(19:48):
that we're gonna like it's it's gonna be a fad, right,
it's gonna be a thing. Like you you must not
want your business to throw, right, you better figure that out.
I had to figure that out during COVID. I'm also
a trainer, like love health. I love fitness, you know,
I love wellness. And I was a trainer for a
lot number of years. And COVID hit and my background
(20:10):
and technology, I didn't grow up with the computer in
my house, right, like we used to have the little
uh I don't know, the cameras where you would take
to Walgreens and they you know those type and so yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, yeah, the suzzble ones. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I made a decision like this is my I love it,
it's my passion. I want to help people. And you
mean that something has happened in the world, and I'm
going to know because I always see things as an opportunity,
Like people can just look at things and be like
whoe is me? I'm like, nope, how can I make
this opportunity? Right? And so when COVID hit and I
couldn't be in person with clients, right, And I'm like,
(20:47):
you mean I have the idea and the ability now
to train people from around the world, right, like.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
What zoom.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And and so in the height of Zoom, I was
training too three hundred clients at one time. Wow, Jay,
I had like ten eleven pages that I would have
to scroll through. People are listening to me. I'm like, hey,
turn your camera on if you want, if you want
me to be able to help your form, right, and
we get through this workout, and so I'm having to
scroll through anyways. The whole point of that is that
(21:20):
you have to embrace we go back through. It's uncomfortable.
The difference. I was up at four forty five this
morning and I have my other thing, like I have
the podcast, and I have my business of training entrepreneurs,
but I still double in my fitness training. I was
up in four forty five because I love it. Find
your passion and don't let anybody like say you can't
(21:40):
do it. You know, all those type of things. Anyways,
you can hear them, like when we talk about certain
stuff that you can hear that I'm just passionate about
and it exudes from me and I tell my clients
that if if you don't have a passion, if you're
not selling something that you love, that you'd be okay
with not making any money making zooed from your pores
(22:02):
when you walk into the room, Do you have a
certain confidence about you before.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You even open your mouth?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yes? And and create what I call when I was
talking to a group earlier today, Jay, like, create a
sticky memory with people, right, Create something in your business,
in your world that people are going to think back
on and be like, oh, like this chip something about her,
like I want to know more about her, like I
want like like just like right, and you know, you
(22:34):
just get people to say, no, we don't got to
be stuck. You don't care who you are. You don't
care if you're on the cover of Vogue magazine and
lost it all right, there's still something incredible about you
that the world should hear and just make it happen.
So that's so when.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Did you when? What was the thing that got you
make that switch from I.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Don't know if you were resentful or bift or or
had a pitty party, whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
This second win, well, you know, I I'm proud of
you for this murder.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Thank you, Jay, well, I like to say, well, I
had a lot of downtime in my six month vacation.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I do want to ask you about that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
To reflect, and again, I'm gonna make the best of
every situation. I stepped out of most time to.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Go with the pity party route.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And again it keeps going that way or something usually
trips us to make to go the other way going
you know what, to use my pain to help others
do theirs.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And let me tell you what that moment was, Jay, Right,
like when I won, when I stepped out of the
facility in Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas. That was the
federal institution I was housed in. I one stepped out
of there the best shape in my life. Okay, really
because I had so much time like a movement and exercise.
That is my stress reliever. And I don't care if
(23:56):
you keep me in solitary, which I was for forty
nine days, right, if you keep me stuck in a
small space, unless you put me in a sharp cage, right,
I'm gonna Jay. And I became friends with the guards
and they would slit me an extra peanut butter and
(24:18):
banana to make sure I had some fuel. Right anyway,
But in those quiet, dark, hard times, I like to say,
I and was able to reflect because things before I
was on this wave. Right, listen to this example. I'm
on this wave and it just takes you further and
further out sometimes where you can't touch the bottom and
(24:38):
you're just kind of treading and you're kind of existing
and surviving and you're moving away from like the reality
of the ground and the earth, right, and so you're
making decisions and it's quick and you're not right. But now,
like the wave that had brought me back, and I'm
on the shore and I'm like, you know what, how
did I get to be to this? How did I
(24:59):
get here? Right? But more important, like what was my mother?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Who sacrificed so much right and left this small third
world country and made the decision at whatever age I
don't know how old she was when she came here
with my older brother, and she's like, you know what,
Like I don't, I don't know, but I've heard, I've
read that it can give a better life for me
and my babies, right, Like, how does how do if
(25:28):
I'm here sulking about them stuck? I'm stuck, and my
mom right, it's a hard childhood just says you know what,
I don't care. I'm going to do it. I don't
know what the future holds, but I know it's got
to be better than where I'm at right now. And
that was my inspiration, right, that one right, like the
(25:48):
dream that my mom had, right for her babies, right
to be a success, to make a real impact in
this life was not going to go unheard, right, And
that was my fuel, really, And it was the first time.
And I give the story about the wave and the
treading water so you can get some context. I'm moving
(26:09):
fast and there's chaos and I needed I needed a
moment of stillness, right, And it was prison for me.
I hope. My hope is that it's not for others, right,
But that's for me. Sometimes you just need to be
like you need your you can slow your ass damp
and you need to get away from that world of
chaos and say, okay, who am I? But more importantly,
(26:33):
who do I want to be? Who do I want
to be in this world? Right? Do I want to
just be remembered as the fast? To me, it's like
the idea of being remembered as the fastest woman in
the world. There was a time, Jay, when I was like, yeah,
that's what I want to be remembered at. Right when
when you're and you get to a certain age where
you're like, man, I want to be remembered for like
(26:53):
a human who sacrificed and like made real impact in
the lives of people. Like you get to a place
in your life when that is what you aspire to
do and to be and that is to me and
people will say it's so true. I mean it is.
It is the feeling that knowing that, like, Okay, I
(27:14):
had to go through stuff and my time away and
from what I've had to deal with with the public
and like fighting for my name back and like all
that type of stuff and my reputation. It's been a
hard wood.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
When people hear the story and they're like, wait, if
she can do this and she can pull herself off
and she bounced back and she can be here and
there and everywhere, and now getting an opportunity and a
platform to share her story when there were so many doors, Jay,
that were shut when I came out of prison and
I was like, okay, y I'll shoo my story. No boom,
(27:48):
nobody wants to hear it. No boom, nobody wants to
hear it. And I'm patient. And I put into time right,
and I nurtured myself and I grew, and I nurtured
my family and they grow right and and and then
now all of a sudden, I get a call, Hey,
you want to be on Special Forces, which is just
an incredible show that I was on last this past year.
(28:09):
It's on Hulu now, the World's Toughest Task. Like that's
not just that's me putting in the work. That's God.
But like all those those type of things don't just happen.
And then from there it's a catalyst for something else.
And it's the podcast, and it's the triathlon, and it's
all these different things, and it just lines up because
(28:30):
I put in the time and it was hard.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
If you're going forward, you ain't going backwards.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
But I had two more questions for you.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
One just a last I just want to hit on
telling you said you got put in the whole for
forty nine days.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Why ah, okay, let me give you a quick Let
me give me the quick story. So as some people
know that might be seeing and hearing this, you know,
when you're incarcerated, there's there's no money, right, so you
can purchase from commissary. I think goods, things that you
need and want. Usually your family will put money on
(29:05):
your books and type of stuff. But also people make
money if they don't have family and friends that put
on the books. They're hustle, right, They they help with laundry, right,
they sew, they cook, they do all these little things
right to make money if they don't have a support
system to put money on their books. Also, in a
(29:26):
lot of these institutions, right, there's theft, and so you
don't necessarily want to stand at the washer and dryer
for two hours, so you hire somebody with it who's
trying to make money, which I quickly realized like that
was the thing. I don't want I stealing my stuff,
So you hire somebody to do your lune. Well, I
(29:46):
find and I worked out Jay while I was there,
and so I had a few different like sweatsuits, but
I call it that all right. And all of a sudden, Jay,
I'm realizing, like I don't have a s my sweat
sure they're coming up missing, and I'm still paying out
via commissary this individual and so like I'm trying to
(30:08):
navigate the prison system. I don't have any history of it.
Nobody in my family ever has. So I learned when
you get in there. And so I'm like, all right, well,
how am I going to like bring this up to
this person without offending anybody? Right? And so I decided
one you don't do it around a lot of people, right,
like anybody, you do it one on one. So one
(30:29):
day the young lady and I asked her gently. I
was like, you know, I didn't ask her. I was like,
you know what I think. I think I'm going to
start to do my own laundry, right like, just like that,
like you know, thank you, and I'll finish paying you. Well,
she took offense. Why because that's her last through your hood.
I also found out a little bit later she was
on some some meds and stuff. She hadn't been taking them.
(30:51):
So there was an altercation, right, and I ran out
of the room after there was some as we back
in the day used to say, fist the cuffs, fist
the cuffs, and I ran to the guard. She was
bleeding all kinds of stuff and because of that, we
got taken across the street to High security. I was
putting the shoe. If you know with you know a
federal institution that's lock up twenty three out of twenty
(31:13):
four hours a day. And because it was her word
versus my word, they had to do an investigation. And
so forty nine days later I was able.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
To do forty nine days Because you want to fight,
that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Hey yeah, but again her word versus my word. But
not again, I tell you to be by myself like
I had. I needed that in my life. Even when
I was on the lower security side they call it
a camp. I was around a lot of people and
I was having to navigate life and how to figure
that out. Which, again, Jay, if I would have had
(31:45):
that time that I needed to figure out who I want,
who I am, I'm moving forward what I was going
to do. So I am grateful for those forty nine
days in the shoe. They were tough, but hey, yeah,
like it all right?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Question for you?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I asked all my guests, this, give me your real
breakable moment, the moment that sharebroken. You could have and didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tull stronger.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You may have already discussed it, but just frame it.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, I haven't discussed it yet. So my unbreakable moment,
Jay was standing on the courtroom steps after everything happened.
It was the day of my sentencing. I had already,
you know, made the decision that I was going to
share with the world that I had lied to federal investigators,
and we had the sentencing and going into that day,
(32:36):
you know, I had my legal team and everything. Going
into that day, it was recommended that I would get probation.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Was prison time a possibility, of course, it always is,
But the court recommends stuff. They research the person's life
on what potentially good can come out of them being incarcerated,
and what good they weigh that, and what good the
person probation maybe help athletes, maybe help young people make
better choices. And so stepping in that courtroom, we me
(33:06):
and my legal team were fairly you know, fairly prepared
for a sentence of probation, fines, et cetera. And three
hours later, I looked to my left and right my
legal team, and I had to ask them, did he
did this guy just say six months locked up? Like
(33:28):
like I couldn't even fathom it, Jay, Right, Like, even
though you knew it was on the table, right, like
everybody's like marrying, don't even don't even like you're not
going to go to p like no other athlete like
this a whole other story, no nobody else who was
involved in any of this. Right, it's not going to happen.
And I had to look to my left and I
was like, I was just done. You're just donned. I
(33:49):
don't know. At that point, I had two little boys,
two kids. Now I have three beautiful kids who are
almost grown now. But man, I'm like what. So after that,
in that moment of just being in shock, I walk
out of the courtroom and I walked down the steps
and there are, however, maybe felt like a thousand cameras
(34:13):
waiting for a statement from me, and I could have
easily just kind of like been ushered to the car,
and I was like, no, right, like the world embraced me.
I'll tell you, the world embraced me. Right, they put
me on every cover of every magazine. Talk but right,
it is my responsibility to step up now and do
(34:35):
the right thing right and share with the world what
happened that I'm sorry for it. And my unbreakable moment
is when I stood in front of that microphone and
I shared with the world that I had made poor choices.
But my unbreakable moment was not just that. It was
my mom's hand on my shoulder right like, giving me
comfort and support, whispering in my ear You've got this,
(34:58):
I'm here. We're going to get through this. And that
was the moments. As hard as it was Jay to
know that my rep everything at that moment would change forever,
but feeling her hand on my shoulder, knowing that she
loves me no matter what, and if my mama tells
(35:19):
me that we're going to get through this, we're going
to get through this.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
And so that was my moment, Jay, Maren, I really
appreciate you joining me in vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Vulnerability is true track and I really appreciate it. Tell
everybody again about your podcast before we.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Let you go.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, So the podcast is called Second Win. It's on
anywhere that you hear and see your podcast. You know,
it's just it's just an interesting perspective. Everybody wants to
come back, want to see and hear a comeback story.
And these are people that you know, that you've heard of,
that you've been a fan of, that have been knocked down.
Similar to, maybe, whoever is hearing this and you want
(35:55):
to hear what their second win in life is all about?
Tune in. Yeah, it's something special.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Love it We ever want to guess? You got my peeps,
I'm in. Thanks Ran Jones, Thanks you for joining the
Unbreaable Mental Wealth podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah awesome
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