June 3, 2024 • 50 mins
Shaquille O’Neal joins ‘The Draymond Green Show’ to discuss criticizing NBA players like Dwight Howard, why he decided to make his apparel line affordable, Kobe Bryant telling him to relax in the NBA Finals when the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Indiana Pacers, why Shaq demanded the Orlando Magic draft Penny Hardaway, his first big fight with Dwyane Wade on the Miami Heat, how Jerry West broke the news to him about his Lakers contract, Shaq’s jealousy of modern bigs like Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic, and Victor Wembanyama, stories from ‘Inside the NBA’ and thoughts on the new NBA broadcast rights deal.
00:00 - Start
03:50 - Criticizing players
14:00 - Making shoes affordable
23:00 - How Shaq handles money with his kids
25:00 - Kobe Bryant’s mentality
28:00 - Drafting Penny Hardaway
30:00 - Fighting with Dwyane Wade
39:00 - Jealousy of modern bigs
42:00 - Inside the NBA
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Speaker 1 (02:03):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
I asked you all I know the inner child in
me is at Disney World right now, excited as hell
to be doing this interview. I like to do intros
and name off accolades. I'll be sitting here forever trying
to name these accolades. So not going to do that,
but would like to welcome none other than the one
(02:25):
and only Shack Diesel shackstra dumbis the big Cactus. And
the list goes on and on. My man, Shack, what's up, brother,
I'm not talking to you and to you and dress
me as my correct name. The Black Steph Curry, the
Black Steph Curry. There it is. We got another one.
Just like that, We got another one now, man number one.
I want to say thank you, like I said, just
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what you've meant to me and my life from Afar.
I was just telling Travis when we was on the
way over here, like I still remember the first time
I ever met you in the picture we took at
Staples Center and he was looking the other way, and shit.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I was, yeah, you know, looking the other way. Hey.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I did not think anything of it. I was happy
as hell to get the picture. But before we get started,
and I want to say, I've always appreciated the way
you play.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know, we always get in this conversation about us,
and then you play like us big dog. I know
he wasn't six eight six nine. I told you six okay, yeah,
I know you wasn't six eighty six nine, but you
always played really big for your size. I appreciate the
way you play all the text and files and all
that bullshit. That's what you gotta do to win. And
at the end of the day, you got four of
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them things and that's all that matter. So I want
to say I appreciate you, no doubt, and the way
that you play. Thank you, Thank you man. That means
a lot to me. So just and getting into it.
Number one, I want to ask you about your approach
in TV because what I've seen is so many guys
get up there and I try to be sure that
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I'm not doing it myself, but so many times you
see guys get up there and they want to throw stones,
you know, and it's specific. You get former players getting
up there throwing stones at guys, acting acting as if
they weren't players. But we always say, once you're a player,
you're always a player, and you get so many guys
that just go up there throwing stones, not standing up
(04:17):
for guys acting like they were perfect when they played
as if they ain't ever do, and you always take
the opposite approach.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Can you talk to me first off, just about that.
We all get criticized. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was told one day, if there's some truth in
the criticism, you have to look at it different. Like
Shaq could have been a great player ever, but he
wasn't a great free throw shitter. Can't get mad at that.
It's truth in that, right. So when I criticize players,
I try to put some truth in it. Like for
ten to fifty years, people think that I hate d way,
(04:52):
I actually really love the way. A little bit of
me probably a little bit more athletic and jump higher.
I would always say you got an average twenty eight ten.
I would always say you're not dominating. So hopefully he
would get the message and say, fuck you, Shaq, this
is what I gotta do. It's what Kareem abdu Jabard
did to me. When I first got to LA I
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was putting up historical numbers and we was getting swept
and Kareem's that one day they said, shack Man, Shacks
are gonna be a great player like you. He said,
is he really that great? They're not winning and he
has G fourteen classification to say that, And you know,
I could have took it as a jab, like Kareem,
you're just hating because I'm averaging more points to you
and I make moment, But I was like, you know what,
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he gave me the lesson inside the criticism. So when
I criticize, I just try to give the lesson. And
you know, sometimes people take it the right way and
sometimes people don't. But people like me and you, we
have G fourteen classification. We know what it takes to
play at a certain level, and we know what it
takes to win the championship four times. So a lot
of times when we say something like I know what
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the fuck I'm talking about. So and then a lot
of times I test people out, I'm motherfuckers off to
see what I'm dealing with. Same thing I did the Cope,
same thing I did the Penny, same thing I did
to d Wade. And if you respond and turn it
into greatness, I know I'm dealing with a fucking dog.
Like I jumped on Donovan one time and he kind
of he kind of went, so I knew I had
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to handle him with with you know, kitting gloves. But
so a lot of times I try to criticize and
give you the answers, and a lot of times I
just try to just say something hateful just to see
who you are, because again, I wouldn't want to listen
to a guy like me, because you know what, the
best thing I did was listen to Kareem Abdul Jabbar
and he said, I'm motherfucker, he great, but he ain't
that great and he ain't winning, and I'm looking up
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at the fucking Jerseys. I'm like, fuck, he right, I
gotta start winning, you know. So you know, I try
to protect the guys as you know, much as possible,
but people like us don't. We don't have to hate
like we actually know what we're talking about. And you know,
sometimes guys understand it and sometimes they don't. Like the
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other day and it went viral. I don't know why
I went went went viral. Joker is my guy. I'll
always talked great about Joker, right absolutely, And I said
to him, I said, Joker, I want you to hear
this from me. Other people like Shannon Sharp don't get
on they fucking podcast and twist and trying to make
it look like I'm hating and I said, Yo, you're
the best big man in the league. You're my favorite player.
(07:19):
You're the vice president of the Big Man Alliance. However,
I think SGA should have got MVP. Like when you're
a man and you know you're dealing with another man,
respect is a must. Like Draymond, you shouldn't have kicked
them in the balls. I'm not hating. I'm just saying, bro,
they need you for the next game. You should ain't
like I'm hating. So you know, so for people who
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don't try to understand the clarity that we have and
they try to make it something different.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So I'm glad you asked that question.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So again to your answer, I try to criticize, but
give you the answers to the test, like, hey, you
want to be dominant average twenty eight ten and you know, hey, Donovan,
you ain't no superstar yet. I want you to sometimes
say fuck shock and just go do what you do
because if we protect this thing of ours, guy's gonna
be making eighty or anything. They say that when this
(08:10):
next deal come around, Luker gonna be making eighty. Man.
That ain't because of me, that's because of doctor j.
He gave it to Mike Man gave it to me.
I gave it to Bron. Bron gave it to y'all.
Y'all about to give it to Luca Luke, about to
give it to wom Beyona. So we have to make
sure that you know, all these guys play at a
high level and the ones that that really take it
(08:31):
as hate, the ones that don't, that don't understand. I
don't really care. You just mentioned Donovan when you said
when you said he wasn't a superstar yet? Is he
a superstar now? Has he crossed that now? Because that
was like two three years ago when you said that
he's close and you know, as you know, there's a
fine luverer between fine line between a star and a
superstar close. I would like to see him dominate more.
(08:55):
Any guy that can put up numbers anytime he wants
shows me that you're a puppy, but you can be
trained to be a mean dog. You ever see a
bunch of puppies and you're looking at that one puppies,
that's the one you always pick because you be like,
if he's aggressive right now, I could train him to
be more aggressive. So like when I went at him,
I made it seem like a disc but I wanted
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him to respond be like, Okay, watch this, because that's
what all the Gretes do. I sit back and I
still watch you today like I watched you when I
was a kid. Only difference is then you were playing
the game of basketball and now we're all watching you
crush the game of life from a business perspective, just
(09:39):
from a legend. And everything that you do, we're watching
you do it at the highest level, and I admire that.
And one question that I have for you is how
is it that you have stayed human?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And when I say stayed human, here's what I'm saying.
You are.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Seven to one, three hundred plus pounds African American man,
so you're already bigger than everyone. That's a strike against
you in height and mass. You're a black man in America,
that's a strike against you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You are a legend.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Most people won't believe it, but that's actually a strike
against you. Because people put you on a pedestal. They
want to tear you off the pedestal. Everything that you
do is going to be criticized. How is it that
you have stayed human to people like approachable? You know,
no one's like people see you and they're like, oh
(10:40):
my god. And like when I see you with people,
you're immediately able to break that ice, Like how have
you stayed that through the success and through all the
things that are up against you, just naturally because of
who you are in the way that you look. You know,
when I first got drafts, I was making a lot
of money and I took my mom to a restaurant.
Was acting big Willie. I was acting like I was
(11:02):
a shit and my mother was disappointed, and she said, son,
it cost you nothing to be nice. So I dropped
the arrogant thing now because you know, coming from where
we come from, we didn't have anything, and now I
got it. So that's my world. You're gonna do what
the fuck out? You know, all that attitude. She's like,
it cost you nothing to be nice. And then one
time I was in LA and I was at a
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restaurant and I saw a superstar. I'm gonna say his name,
but a kid came and asked for autograph. He fucking
made the kid cry. And I always said to myself,
I ever get the superstar status, I'm I always take
care of the kids. My mama said, be nice, I'm
going to take care of my family. Everything I do
is for my family, especially my mother. You know where
we played the game of basketball and they paid pay
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us a lot of money from two to seventeen. It
hit me when I first got drafted. My mom never
had her own house, and she never really had her
own house. And like you know, they, you know, our parents,
they give us the basics. Be respectful, go to school,
get this education, and make sure you always work hard.
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That was, you know, the basis for a family. So
when I said to myself, you know what, I'm about
to buy my mama house, right, I'm about to buy
my dad the same six hundred mestadies I got. I'm
about to take care of my brother. I'm about to
take care of my family. Now, there's many ways to
lose that, you know, the ways to lose that. So
you stay away from that and you lean towards the
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stuff that keeps it, you know, start businesses, you know,
educate yourself on you know, financial stability or you know,
financial wealth. Everything I do is for my family. And
now that I have seven children, now I have to
do and I have to say the right thing, good
thing about me and my crew, is if I happen
to get offline, they can check me. Like I did
(12:49):
a little AI disc record. My mom wasn't happy with that,
so I'm done with it. I ain't gonna say nothing
else about it. So you know, that's you know, another
attribute I have as I always listen. You know, the
world famous Uncle Jerome absolutely the only one that could
turn my motoro like he tell you bullshiting like I
used to. You know, I got tired of duncan and
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go to my jump hook. So every now and then
I like to shoot the fade away and I may miss,
for as soon as I fucking hit one, I look
at him and be like, don't nobody want to see
that shit?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Fuck that, don't shoot that dumbas shit.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
So you know, you have to listen sometimes and you
have to, you know, follow your goals and you have
to stick to your principles. You know, my mother is
an avid TV watcher. I would never want to want
to her sitting down seeing me do something crazy and
then FOTM, don't fuck off the money, do not fuck
off the money. So I try to do the right thing.
I try to say the right thing, and just being nice.
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I'm fifty years old. No, no need for me to
be arrogant towards anybody that looks up to me, looks
up to me. No need for me to be arrogant
towards anybody. You know, if you approach me the wrong way,
I know how to reapproach you with that same energy.
But listen, I'm a nice guy. I've fulfilled all my dreams.
You know, all my children hate using this word, but
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I have seven perfect children, like they don't give me
no problems. A couple in college, a couple of graduated.
Shout out to my nephew, Miles Bailey. You just graduated.
I'm gonna help him get in law school. So you know,
the family is very important to me. So again, I
just try to do and just try to say the
right thing. You know, keep my mouth shut. I don't
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get into the gossip mats and all that, and I
just try to make people's mouth You did the unthinkable.
We've seen a couple guys attempt to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Then.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think the latest and most popular was Big Baller
brand with the with the ball family, you start a
shock the Parlin sneakers clothes and starting that as a
household name as the Shaquille O'Neill most dominant player we've
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ever seen play. I remember sixth grade a pair of
shoes that my grandfather bought me from Kmart, I want
to say shacks. They were kind of all white with
the black down the middle, like through the soul, through
the tongue, kind of had like a and.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Thirty bucks as a household name.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
As when people say premium, like you want to do
premium things. You said, no, I'm gonna have these thirty
dollars sneakers number one. How did you accomplish that? Because
you're going up against Nike, you're now the president, Reebok.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Owner and president and Rebok Adidas.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You're going up against all these brands and you say, no,
I'm gonna go do my own number I help me
understand how did you go about that process? Who did
you do it with? To help you understand the marketing
and the distribution and all of those things. Initially to
start it. So one day me and my cousin Kenny,
we're leaving practice in Orlando Magic and Orlando Magic was
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the first marine I had was in the hood. So
they used to come out shack shack uh. Matter of fact,
Marquise Daniels when I was playing with him with Boston
one time. He said, Yo, man, you don't remember me,
and I said no, and he showed me a picture.
He was one of those kids I used to always
come and get all the graph jersey and get tickets
and all that.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So one day me and my cousin Kenny, we walking
out the back of this lady. She's coming, she's, you know,
dragging us on, and she's not smiling. The boy's shack shacks.
She's not smiling, and she's like, you motherfucking I was like,
what did I do?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't know you.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You motherfuckers got these high ass motherfuckers niggers my baby.
You know he want these fucking high ass reboxing. I
can't afford him, so, you know, me, I had a
couple of stacks. I was like, man, I don't do
the price point. Here's the money, and she smacked the
money out of my hand. I want that, won't you
motherfuckers make an affordable shoe. And I'm riding in the
car and I'm thinking, I was like, that was my
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mom and me. I asked my dad for some jorings.
Tell that motherfucker looked at me like, man, you back,
get the fuck out my face. He looked at me
like that. I had to cut grass and fucking wash
car and sell lemonade and all that bullshit. And then
by the time I got my one hundred and ten dollars,
I was scade fifteen. I bought some thirteen. That's why
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my toes all fucked. I ain't gonna show my toes
on you, but that's something like I tried to squeeze
those Jordan, So all that shit was going back to me,
and I said, you know what, call Reebo can tell
him after this, I'm gonna do my own thing. So
if you look at this brand right here, and we're
all creatures, creatures of our environment, Jordan has to what
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jump man And this is the dunk Man. So when
I was in college one time the professor said, create
something that you can see being sold in the future.
And you know me, shack shirt, shack draws sign suck.
So I you know, I was in the marketing class,
I was in business class. So I patting it the
dunk make be cause that's how I dunk. I tried
to put my nuts in your face. So that right
here dunk Man was created in eighty nine ninety and
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I was going and then I was talking to my
dad about it. I was like, this shit might not work.
I'm going up against these powerhouses. And he said something,
He said, there's more poor people than there are rich people.
I was like, shit, So, you know, I think it
only worked because I was a household name.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You know that. Of course you had Jordan and all
those guys.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But I was saying, I'm shock and the only thing
that took me a while to get is even though
they're thirty dollars, you can't make them look like they're
thirty dollars because you know how we get fucking criticized
in the hood, and like people always hear stories how
people used to get bullied for wearing my shoes. That's
because their mindset what wasn't right. I never made shoes
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that looked like thirty dollars. I ever went over the
china and be like, mother fuck, I want the same leather,
I want the same everything. So I just tried to
keep the price pointing down. And that's why I did that,
because you know, it was the right thing to do,
and you know, when it was it was Rebuck another
person than me. Now it's just me and the shoe
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manufactured guy. So you know, if you could go with Walmart,
who has fifty thousand doors, k Mart got that and
then it was a it was a no brainer. And
then you get with all these companies and they say, okay,
we don't want to shut brand. Let's say okay, so
I'll just create the dunk Man brand. So dunk Man
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was at k Mart and Shaq was at Walmart, and
I was just and I just sat back. It wasn't
like you know because listen, back then when I first
came in, brother, I had so much money.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I didn't need no more money.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So I was like, if I don't make money, cool,
But you know, I got a report one day they said, bro,
you don't sold since you started this, you know, sold
two fifty it's up to about four hundred million pair now.
But now where I got this new company, and we're
coming with that funk now were about to so we
were downstairs, so we're about to come mid level. And
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then you know, even even you know upstairs, because Magic
Johnson said something to me very important. He says, its
okay to be the man. But at some point you
want to start owning things.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
So this is what I own.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
This is mine, and you know a lot of people
liking and respect it, and I'm gonna keep giving them
stuff that looks good, but at a price they can afford.
In twenty sixteen, a friend of mine introduced me to
authentic brand groups. I had no clue what the fuck
it was, what they did, what it meant, how you
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go about it. As I've gained more business knowledge and contacts,
I've learned more about what it is. And when I
was introduced to authentic Brands Group, I was actually introduced
to it by this is who Shack just partnered with.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And I thought it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Was a very interesting lesson for me because it was
this is who Shacks just partnered with, not this is
who Shacks just sold his company to.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Can you walk me through that process?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Off, you partner with authentic brand groups but necessarily didn't
take all cash.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So Ever, since a youngster, jealousy motivates me. Jealous of
Steph Curry, I wish I could fucking shoot like that.
I'm jealous of Clay. I wish my jump shot was
that motherfucking pretty like I'm jealous of Brown he's almost
a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Instead of taking that jealousy and turning the hate, it
turns into motivation. So I'm walking down Hollywood Boulevard and
I'm like, how the fuck is Elvis who's been dead
for six years still make money? So now I start
studying because Bro, I'm walking down Holly every fucking store,
bro Elvis shirts, hats, And this is towards the end
of shack and you know how that is towards the ending.
Motherfuckers act like they forget who you are. I'm like,
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you know what fuck that? I want to left forever.
So I'm I'm seeing all this Elvis and Marilyn Monroe shit.
So I did my research and I met with two
companies and I was like, hey, I want to you know,
this is who I am, and this is what I built,
you know, me Mike and Perry and Colin and leonnond Romanlo,
this is what we built to be interested, you know,
doing a partnership with it. And the first companies say, yeah,
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we want to buy, we want to own it. I said, oh,
how much you talking?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And then you know I've met with you know, authentic brands.
They said, hey, yeah, we want to buy. I want
to be your partners. I said, well, can I invest
in your company? So they wrote me a big check
and I wrote them a big check. And now I'm
the number two. And basically what this does is just
make sure my name lists forever. And if it doesn't
lift forever, all the brands that we own my business
still lift together. And again, it's all about family. I
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have seven kids. You know, my kids got mad at
me because I you know, I did a little speech
and I was trying to be funny, but I was serious.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
We're not rich.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm rich, so I want them to be able to
work and understand, and you know, because like I always
show them what respectable nepotism is. I took my second son, Charief,
with me to a business conference and he was amazed
at the Walmart family will make every member that wants
to be where I work with the family, make them
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take an aptitude test. And however you score on the test,
that's where you're gonna start at. So one guy who
was part of the Walmart family was very wealthy. He's like,
I didn't take the test seriously. So my uncle made
me shuffle shit for two years at the horse farm,
but teaching them the business of horse manure business. And
I was so like he learned that, so charife was
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a made. I was like, this is how it works,
my brother. I'm here, but only the kids can take it.
Boom boom boom boom man. And that's what I'm you know,
trying to, you know, show my kids. A lot of
people in your position, with the amount of wealth that
you accumulated, they most people do one of two things.
They passed their money only their hairs. And some people
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do what called ruling it from the grave, where if
you die, they got for ravens that they can't get
out of to protect people. Others give it away like
you got these different given pleasures and different things nowadays,
and they.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Give it all the charity.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What is your mindset around your children and how you
either give them money as they become adults or when
you die, or like, nah, I works for this and
you need to learn to go work on your own
and I'm giving it all the way.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
What's your approach to.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Those I told my kids all the time, we don't
need another basketball player in the family. Give me a lawyer,
give me a veterinarian, give me a hedgphune operator. So
they get something. But the higher they go in education,
the more they get. And you know, I tell them
all the time, I said, school is important. Education is
important to me. You know, I wasn't the smartest guy
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in the book, but you know I took things that
were very hard and broke it down to a simple
as form. Like you know, when I was learning business
and school, I really didn't understand it until I got
with a businessman and he showed me what a joint
venture was. He showed me what a you know, sub
chapter S corporation is. So I was like, oh, this
is what it means to get education. So I just
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tell them, whatever it is you want to do, let
me know. I'll hook you up and I'll start you off,
and once you master that, we'll be on our way.
And again, I hate you nothing that that pe word,
but I got I don't have no problem to none
of my babies, none at all.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Man, that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Getting into the basketball you had the opportunity to play
with and in a major way, d Wade, Kobe, and Penny.
You played with Brin. To me, that was kind of
the tell end of your career. Like it wasn't your
as shocked dominant as you were with those guys. When
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you look at those three guys, though, rate them. It's
tough to rate them because we speak a language. Right
if I say in our language, but it gets out
not saying that you show would do that. But even
if you put out a clip, the ones that don't
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comprehend our language, that try to make it look like
I'm rating them, But I'm gonna rate him because you're
a good friend of nobody, and he asked me to
do it. Kobe number one, he had the Master kill
him in Dellity, and I like to say I help
him get that because when he first came in, I
put the Donovan tests on. I fuck you ain't shit,
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I don't shoot fuck that, and it would drive him crazy.
You know you talk about the six five six hours
a day in the gym. Yeah, he did that just
so he could shut me the fuck up. And I
loved it because I already knew what I was gonna do.
I already knew I was gonna get you twenty eight
ten in the playoffs, thirty five whatever, but I needed
another guy, and I always used to piss him off.
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You know you know this very well. I don't know
how your team was, but you know for a fact,
you don't have to be like this to win the championship.
You do not on the court you have to be
like this, but attitudes and minute you don't have to
be like that. So, you know, we used to always
go at it and it was I don't want to
say my fault, but I knew what the fuck I
was doing because when he came in, he showed me
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that he wanted to be a dog. He was that
puppy that was nibbling on a chair and I was like, okay,
watch this, motherfuck. He ain't nah fuck, don't shoot shoot
it again, motherfucker want so like he just shoot to
piss mother. And then by the time he got into
itself and I kind of had to make a decision like,
you know, feels like listen, let him do what he
doing the fourth quarter. And once I made that decision,
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I was like, you know, and then we was because like,
first three quarter, give me the fucking ball, let me
do what I'm gonna do, let me get us in
the penalty. And then because I'm not a great free
throw shooter, fourth quarter, I'll step back and you do
what you do. And we did that, and you know
he sacrificed. He did because he all those finals where
he helped me win the championship. He damn sure could
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have easily got found with the MVP. But that was
our plan, big dog E for the first three and
the fourth I takeover And my favorite game in Indiana
was our first championship where I filed out and I
looked at him. I was like this, if we lose,
it's all my fucking fuck, shacky, motherfucker. You want to
be a rapper, you're doing movies and you ain't contentrating
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on your free throws. I don't know what my percentage was,
but it wasn't black Steph Curry like, so I already
know if we fucking lose this series gonna be my fuck.
I'm looking at Kobe, motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Do me like that.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'm like, and that mo fucker he had an incredible
four or five like in it, And then I knew
then we was gonna win out win our first championship.
So him for that Penny ultimate team player and mofucker.
And I don't know if you know the story, but
at my second my first movie no second movie, Blue Chips.
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So you know, it was already a problem for me
to go fucking shooting movies. You're not gonna be able
to work out. So it was in my contract I
got to work out from eight to twelve. So they
built a little fucking gym and I got all the
NBA players that run down and this motherfucker is diaming
me up like crazy six seven.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
My fuck's smooth and I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Running and as soon as I go like that, the
fucking balls there, I'm spending. He throwing the libs. I
was like, yo, man, who the fuck is this actor?
Cause you know, you know we on the movie. They said,
that's Penny Hardaway. And I don't know about you, but
I don't be looking at college players seeing who the
fuck coming. I got ship to do, so I don't
know who the fuck is this dude. He's like, man,
that's fucking Penny Hardaway. And I can remember before I left,
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you know, us losing and getting swept. These scott come
to me and say, Yo, man, you gotta fucking takeover
because I'm the I'm the military kid, I'm the discipline kid. Yes, sir, no, sir,
whatever you say sir these Scott was like, man, fuck that,
you gotta take over. So I was like, you know what,
Now I'm gonna try it. Hey, man, you know who
Penny Hardaway is. Yeah, we might not get him. We
want the first pig we want to go with Seawe.
(29:45):
Nowh fuck that, You're gonna have to get Penny. Yeah,
I don't know if we can get Penny. Listen, what
the fuck I'm telling you right now? My dealer is
up in two years. If you don't give me what
I wanted to help me win this championship, I'm gonna
have to look elsewhere. So me and Kenny and Uncle
Jerome we have the house. We watching the draft, they
draft Chris Webber. I'm fucking picking up lamps. I'm just
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tearing the motherfucking house upart because I'm like, these motherfuckers
didn't listen to me. They tested me. You know, because
now that I put myself in charge, motherfucker, I'm in charge,
you're gonna have to do the fuck I say, or
else I'm gonna have to go thwirl where they're gonna
let me be in charge. So I'm tearing the fucking
house up and going crazy. Kenny and I'm trying to
wrest me to the floor and then they say, wait, wait,
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the Onlando Magic make a trade with the Golden State
Warriors for Penny for Chris, and I was like, oh shit,
they did it.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
They listened to me.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So now de Scott them don't know what I got
because I don't know if they know Penny, but I
know this motherfucker is nice. So him and d Wade
our first argument was in the finals, we go down,
Oh two, I'm declining the shack. I'm going through divorce.
I'm not shocked. I have my first two games fucking
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terrible offer. So I'll pull d Wade in the room.
The fuck you gonna do? Man, motherfucker you want to
be the man? What the fuck are you gonna do?
And he was he's he had a looker. It wasn't
I wasn't trying to fight. I was just asking the question.
He had a look at relief like, oh, I can't say, yeah, mofuck,
I got four people on me. I just took well.
In the future, I'm gonna talk to my good friend Draymond.
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He he gonna tell me they're gonna put a motherfucker
in front of me behind me. That's the fuck they're
doing to me right now. What the fuck are you
gonna do? Though, and he he said, okay, shack and
he went off. So it's not that I'm rating them,
even though I answer you a question. I was fortunate
enough to play with three of the greatest guards and Bron.
Bron had so much power, Like when I got there,
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I've never seen a young kid with that much power
and deserbingly so like he had everything in order, and
it was just so and I think we could have
we could have possibly went further. I don't know if
you remember we were when first the whole year, Big
Baby broke my thumb and I was out.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I came back. I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I wasn't you know at that time was already declined
to shack and you break my thumb and then I
got to sit out five weeks and then try to
come back and beat a Boston team. It wasn't gonna happen,
because you know, at that point, I was like, I
gotta get fucking five before he did. I already got four,
and this motherfucker I got so I was I was
marine chasing, but you know, I was just you know,
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like you said, I want to just try to step
in and you know, help people. And then when I
went to Boston, same thing. I thought we could have
made it pretty far. But I told my Achilles, But
you know, I hate rating those guys because I don't
want ignorant people don't understand our language, that try to
twist it up. And oh he said Coolby was better.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying all those
guys had different attributes and they were great players. Do
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you regret and so you went so hard for Penny,
for Orlando to get Penny, do you regret leaving Orlando
as soon as you did, you know, not seeing it
through with Penny the whole way.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And the reason is I am programmed to Once you
make a decision, you live with that decision, right or wrong.
And you know one thing about my agent at the time,
who Lennon ar Model was. He informed me about business.
I knew where the money was going, you know when
I came in, you know, because I think what even
got me interested in playing basketball, John Concak was making
(33:17):
fifteen for three. I was at home one day my
father smacked me in the back of the head with
a paper because I was a medium level juvenile the linker.
I was like you, I was a fucking football guy,
so I used to like to bring that pain. So
I was like, you know, and then my high school
coach said, you ain't gonna make it. I ain't had
no scholarships. I already had a plan to join the
fucking army. I already knew the army life was a
good life. On a join the army. My father smacked
(33:38):
the shit on me one day with a paper. Look
at this and it was John Conckak. No disrespect to John,
because you know I ended up playing with Johnny. He's
a great fellow. And he said, hey, look at this, dude.
So we got the fifteen for three. I ain't the
smartest guy to where I know that's five in a year.
So I'm watching John Concack play and San Antonio himis
fer Arena, and I'm like, damn, I'm like this now.
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So now I really started taking basketball serious. And I
had a guy that I met in Germany and the
name of Dale Brown. He already offered me the scholarships.
Already know I'm going to LSU. So you know, my
agent kept telling me how the money's gonna be a lot.
So when he said, when I first got dryed how
much you want? I was like, I don't know. Six
melli a year. He's like, nah, man, we're gonna ask
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for fifty. And I was like, what he said, We're
going to ask for fifty. I ended up getting forty
for seven. I think I was the first to do this.
He's like, but I'm gonna put the clause in there
you can do something after three after four, and I
was like, okay, sounds good. So when it came back
around to Orlando, now everybody was talking about one hundred million.
I want to be the first hundred million. You got
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a guy, it was mine, So I started high, I said,
and they said no. And then here during the Olympics
ninety six, me and uncle Jerome we had Magic City
doing what we do a Magic City, and my agent
call it's like two thirty am, said I got a
call and need you to come to this hotel except
(35:02):
for he said come. So I get there and it's
the Great Jerry West and I just always saying we
play leers. Never really met him, but of course I
know it is. I shake his hand, he said he
want the good news to the bad news. I said,
I don't want the bad news. He said, I couldn't
get you to one fifty. I said, what's the good news.
We can get you one twenty. But he's like, you
got to sign right now. So I was like, And
(35:25):
then I told Leonard, I said Carl Orlando. He said
they they weren't even close. So hey, my mom, my
mom needs a new house. Even though she didn't, that's
all I'm thinking about. So I went that. So even
though I always think about what me and Penny could
have done, it's not a decision I regret because when
it comes to family and it comes to making decisions,
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I make the decision as a leader, as a general,
and if it happened to be the wrong decision, that's
something that I can live with. You said something when
you were just discussing Kobe, Uh, you were discussing Kobe,
what y'all did in the fourth quarter? You said, quarters
one through three, I dominate, and then we let Kobe
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take over in the fourth. And I recently was just
on Instagram, maybe a week ago and not even a
week ago, and Gilbert Arenez on his podcast was talking
about Joker and saying, you know, when it's time to
get a bucket, the ball always go to Jamal Murray
towards the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
So how can you say he's the best player?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Uh talking about Joker because Jamal Murray get those last
shots and you pretty much just said that's what me
and Kobe did, like I did this and then we
let him go. Then, So what do you make of
Gilbert Arenas statement about Joker saying he's not as good
because Jamal Murray gets the ball down the stretch, he
takes all the big shots, being that he was a
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part of us, he has that G fourteen classification. But
Joker is really good and Jamal is really good. That's
just the way that their team is set up up.
When it comes to the most Valuable Player, I always
thought it meant the baddest mother fucking the league, like
your guy who made history which should have been my history,
the most dominant, I mean, the unanimous MVP. He's the
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baddest motherfucker in the league. I don't give a fuck
what your record is, what where you all at one
through eight? He's the badest mother fucking league. That's the
most viable player. To me, I don't understand what the
classifications are best player on the best team. We as players,
we know who the baddest motherfucker is. We know who
the strongest is, we know who the better we know
you know, all these voters sometimes they just sometimes they
(37:35):
just get with their favorites and they stick with their favorites.
I don't know what the fucking criteria is. So you
know what, I think the point that you know giber
was trying to make is, Okay, if he's the baddest guy,
why is he getting the ball? Sometimes you got to
do that. Like, you know, Shannon Sharp said something the
other day, Oh, Shaq wasn't the best player on the team.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I'm not better than fucking Penny all the way, not
better than Kobe Browann, not better than d Way. But
I'm the baddest motherfucker on them. That's what I always
try to be. I always try to be the biggest, baddest,
my fuck all that bad bro. I wasn't better than
the lines of Morning Christian Laightner coming out of college,
but I was the baddest motherfucker. That's why I got
picked number one. So you know, a lot of times,
like if you got G fourteen classification, I'll let you
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say what you want. If you don't, I ain't gonna
let you like I'm I'm you know, sometimes people take
our niceness for granted. And I'm big on G fourteen classification.
So I don't have a problem with what Gilbert said.
He's been there, he's done that, he was with us.
I understand that. But you know, all opinions are subjective.
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You either agree or you disagree. Ronald, we have now
in this world. As somebody say something you don't like it,
you want to take it and put it in anything.
Just that's cool too, but just make you sure you
have that G fourteen classification. And G fourteen classification gets
you in the building. We have ranks me and you
have the highest fucking ranks me, you, Steph Cole Magic
(38:59):
were on the top on the fucking floor. A lot
of guys are in the building, but they don't have
the same you know, right to say certain things as
we do. But again I'll have a problem with I
do even have a problem with he said where I
hate all centers, I don't hate all senters. I never
said anything bad about Joker. I just think they they
thought I was trying to be funny when I told him,
I said, no, I want you to hear from me first, joker,
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and I'm telling you like a man, You my guy,
I love you. But as she ay, she got an
MVP that I ain't know this. But again I did it,
and I slowed it down so people can understand that.
And I even add, hey, this is no disrespect to you,
and they still take it and twist it. And all
shack hates all big men. Don't hate all big men.
I hate all big men that don't play like fucking
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big man. That's what I hate. A couple more questions
before we get out of here. The modern day big joker. Uh,
you know those guys Joel Wimby, I'm jealous of them.
Why wish I could step out and shoot the three brother?
You know why I call myself black Stuff Curry Because
if I go to the gym and miss one hundred
and ninety fucking threes and make one on the black
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Stuff Curry, that shit fucking feel good to step out
and shoot that three bro. But again, you gotta understand
about me jealous. When I'm jealous, I'm not envious. I'm
jealous to fucking motivate me. So every now and then
I go out there and try to Clay Thompson my shit,
and just you know, I built the corporate I just
go out there and try to shoot. I'm jealous of
them because I wish I was allowed to do that.
(40:25):
You know, back then I would every now and then
take and go coast to coach, the coach and looking
at me crazy. So they're they're allowed to do it. Indeed,
is a mixture of me in the post and a
chemo ije run outside and joker he's man. I was
trying to figure who he reminded me of. I was
thinking a little brad Daughtery, a little Sabonis in the
eighty four land, Like his game is just nice, and
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I like people that play at that pace. I asked
you about Luca one time. I was like, he's really
that nice, and he was like, yeah, the motherfucker's strong
and he played at his pace. So I really like
those guys. Any other big wom Bigianna's is different. He's
he's he's he's thin, but like he he does some stuff.
He's he's he's really different. As the president of the
Big man alliance. I really like those three guys. Any
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other big guys, I'm not really feeling so when he
say I hate all big men, I don't hate all
big men. Just don't like the big men that don't
play like big men. Do you think there would be
any benefit to Joel at times saying oh, you know
what I'm and I'm channeling my inner shock right now
for fuck shack, just play, just play the odds. If
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I got a guy six seven on me, I'm not
shooting no jumper, even if I know how to shoot
the jumper one, I'm gonna try to get him in
foul trouble, get my team in a penalty, and the
percentages go up when you move closer to the basket.
It's just so you know why you want to drive
between your legs and shoot jumpers, like when listen, when
it goes in, looks pretty, but when it doesn't go
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off and playoff situations, you're going to have to live
with that. Oh you're the only MVP who never made
out the first round, and I know guys don't want
to live with that. So I just want him to
just you know, play, play, play to his ability, Like
if you got another agile, big guy. You take him
out and you go around them. But anybody that's smaller
than you, you got to go on the post and
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then go to work. And then once they w you
make it easier for Maxie actually a good player. But
if he don't have to work as hard, I think
he can. I think he can be a lot better
like Maxie was doing it. And he's younger than that.
But I wanted to make the game easy for Penny,
Kobe and d Way.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Let me, let me go down here and jump with
these motherfuckers to death, and then when they start filing
and doing stuffing, I'm gonna kick to you.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Then y'all go to work. So that's what I think
about Joe.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Last couple questions, Uh, you shit has been what thirteen
years now?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah? Thirteen. You took you and you took.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
On another role in what you've been doing at TNT
with the sid NBA crew. What did you first think
you was getting yourself into as opposed to what it's
turned into. I wanted to be the black Brian Gumble
and use big words and do all that, and TNT said, motherfucker,
we'll fire your ass tomorrow. Be you, and I think
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that's what makes our show the best show out there.
G fourteen Classification, Barkley All the Famous Shack, All of
the Fam, McKinney, two time champion, Ernie, best analysts in
the world. Yes, but you guys can be yourself and
we make fun of people. We crack jokes, We do
a lot of stuff. Because you also have to realize
(43:36):
I have to watching two games. Good games are bad games.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
The fans that.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Are real people don't have to work in the morning.
If we're going to keep you up ast your bedtime,
at least we want to do is entertain you. And
I think the reason why they hired you. You're very
intelligent and you're definitely one of us. You know how
to crack jokes. You and Charles are also y'all have
me roller so welcome to the team, and I'm glad
you're here. But I didn't really know what I was
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getting myself into. But I t k he was a
producer there. He's like, we don't want you follow that shit.
Just talk about your experiences, talk about what you know.
And he said, he said, people know you know what
you're talking about because you did it. Because you did it.
And uh so they just you know told me to
just you know, be myself. I wish I could talk more.
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Charles is good at fucking talking, and then when you
supposed to fucking rotate, he'll say something. And that's why
I snapped on his I said, Yo, motherfucker one two
three and not one two and back to the motherfucking one.
He like cutting motherfuckers off, repeating hisself like, like, bro,
you said that ship. I've been here twelve years. You
say the same shit every year, Chris Paul the grizzly motherfucker,
we heard that say something different.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
We had we had Chuck on the show a couple
of years agoing I asked them, y'all get into these
he arguments. Do you ever really get pissed off? No,
because it's a perfect story. I'm like you, I'm up,
I will fight you and do whatever. So one time
this motherfucker and like, I never had no problem with Charles.
I it's the same way you looked up to me.
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I looked up to Charles. Charles let me know it
was okay to elbow motherfucking the mouth. My father used
to said, well, you need to be like Barkley and
knock him up. So in college and even in the league.
So we're playing in Houston one day, Charles is older.
The motherfucker hit me in the head with the ball.
I can't let that shake slide. I can't go back
to any barbershop, any motherfucking crib.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Nothing. Now.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I gotta knock this motherfucker out. But the mistake was
I made was I leaned too far to the left
and he went that way. I wanted to throw the
left because I wanted him to come inside. I was
gonna try to knock that motherfucker's head off to let
him know, like, hey, I ain't want these motherfuckers. You
can throw the ball at so Bro. By the time
I got to the motherfucking tunnel, Uncle Jerome had to
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meet the phone and I'm like hello, and it was
my mom and Charles mom on the phone. They's like, y'all,
shit be doing. I was like, who's this. She's like,
my mom, check, this is Charles mom. So you know
when it's mom. Even though I'm mad at him, I
ain't gonna be like fucking yes, ma'am, y'all stop that ship.
I don't already talk to Charles, y'all, y'all that shit out.
And you know she she was not ghetto, but she was.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
She was hard.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
She was like, y'all, cut that shit out, y'all don't
need to be fighting. So mama dropped that final order.
I'm not gonna go against my mama ever. So I'm
walking down the hall. He walking down the hall. I'm
looking at him like mofucker, even though my mama said
that you make a move a woman knock there. So
he started laughing and I started laughing, and then I
finally see my mom sayd what was that about? She said,
me and me and Charles MoMA been best friend for
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thirty years. Crazy. Yeah, So one time I seen them
playing cards. It's the same shit, me and Charles. Do
you know know I'm playing no motherfucking state like they.
But it's respectful. So even though we argue, I know,
as a man you can't disrespect another man. I think
like men that have the same principles, you can talk
to each other same way. Like my little guy over there,
that's my cousin. We grow up together. We fight every
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fucking day, but we don't disrespect each other. And the
fact that we don't disrespect each other. You can say
that you got to say. I'll say what I gotta say.
So you know, I'm never mad at him to the
point where I wanted to beat him up, because one
my mom would be upset. His mom passed away. She
was so nice my mom, she would be upset. So
even if he said something crazy, I know you not
disrespect me. I know it's just Charles. I'll just let
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it go before we get out of here. Obviously, Yes,
you know, I think you know, being one of the
most successful businessmen to come through the NBA. You know,
we see Junior Bridgeman magic, you know, and you have
put yourself in that category, you guys, So you understand
business you guys have had and I'm honored to grace
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the stage with you all whenever I get the opportunity.
But what you guys have built at inside the NBA,
it has been special. Business is business. And there's a
TV deal coming up with the possibility of turn or not,
you know, having broadcasting rights. That is a possibility if
that's to happen. Everybody wants to know what happens with
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this crew. You know, you guys, you four guys like
it's the Premier show. When it comes to NBA basketball,
what happens with this group from your perspective of how
do you see that. I don't like to think left,
which is negative. I don't like to think right. I
do like to think what it is. So until we
hear what it is, I don't know. I'm glad. I
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have different options to fall back home. But you know,
when I go left, it's just it starts to get sad,
like damn oh, Ernie, no Chuck, no Kenny. Then when
I think right, it's a lot of other possibilities. So
great possibilities, but right now I'm gonna just stay in
the middle. And you brought up a name. Junior Bridgeman
was another guy who I'm jealous of. I remember one
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time I'm walking through the airport and I saw the
ten richest athletes. It was a time article. I was like, mo, fuck,
I'm number two. I ain't fucking with Mike, but shit,
I'm number mother fucking too magic maybe number two, so
fucking I'm number three.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
So I look at the list.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Like Mike fuck man fuck, and then Junior Bridgeman chicks,
I'm like, what the fuck is Junior Bridge And so
I'm like eight hundred million. So now instead of being
envistment like it, just like jealousy motivates me. Brother been
like that since I'm a kid, like you see a
kid like, always tell my son when you go to
(49:23):
these AU tournaments, find out who's who, make sure you
go at them. So like for me, I was always
behind Kenny Anderson. So I went to the motherfucker McDonald's
Auto American game. I met Dick Vatael was like, hello, missus,
Dick Vytail. He's like, and you are so this motherfucker.
I don't know who I am. Oh shit, and everybody's
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So I told misterout, I said, you don't know me yet,
but tomorrow at twelve thirty, the whole world on my guy.
So that that shit motivated me. So I'm looking at
Junior Berid, I'm like, fuck, it's my fucker on all
this shit, and I just I just it just makes
me makes me work harder because we like stories. I
like to open that Time magazine and see Shack two
three big like, so I'm not there yet, but I
(50:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:03):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
I asked you all I know the inner child in
me is at Disney World right now, excited as hell
to be doing this interview. I like to do intros
and name off accolades. I'll be sitting here forever trying
to name these accolades. So not going to do that,
but would like to welcome none other than the one
(02:25):
and only Shack Diesel shackstra dumbis the big Cactus. And
the list goes on and on. My man, Shack, what's up, brother,
I'm not talking to you and to you and dress
me as my correct name. The Black Steph Curry, the
Black Steph Curry. There it is. We got another one.
Just like that, We got another one now, man number one.
I want to say thank you, like I said, just
(02:46):
what you've meant to me and my life from Afar.
I was just telling Travis when we was on the
way over here, like I still remember the first time
I ever met you in the picture we took at
Staples Center and he was looking the other way, and shit.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I was, yeah, you know, looking the other way. Hey.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I did not think anything of it. I was happy
as hell to get the picture. But before we get started,
and I want to say, I've always appreciated the way
you play.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know, we always get in this conversation about us,
and then you play like us big dog. I know
he wasn't six eight six nine. I told you six okay, yeah,
I know you wasn't six eighty six nine, but you
always played really big for your size. I appreciate the
way you play all the text and files and all
that bullshit. That's what you gotta do to win. And
at the end of the day, you got four of
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them things and that's all that matter. So I want
to say I appreciate you, no doubt, and the way
that you play. Thank you, Thank you man. That means
a lot to me. So just and getting into it.
Number one, I want to ask you about your approach
in TV because what I've seen is so many guys
get up there and I try to be sure that
(03:55):
I'm not doing it myself, but so many times you
see guys get up there and they want to throw stones,
you know, and it's specific. You get former players getting
up there throwing stones at guys, acting acting as if
they weren't players. But we always say, once you're a player,
you're always a player, and you get so many guys
that just go up there throwing stones, not standing up
(04:17):
for guys acting like they were perfect when they played
as if they ain't ever do, and you always take
the opposite approach.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Can you talk to me first off, just about that.
We all get criticized. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was told one day, if there's some truth in
the criticism, you have to look at it different. Like
Shaq could have been a great player ever, but he
wasn't a great free throw shitter. Can't get mad at that.
It's truth in that, right. So when I criticize players,
I try to put some truth in it. Like for
ten to fifty years, people think that I hate d way,
(04:52):
I actually really love the way. A little bit of
me probably a little bit more athletic and jump higher.
I would always say you got an average twenty eight ten.
I would always say you're not dominating. So hopefully he
would get the message and say, fuck you, Shaq, this
is what I gotta do. It's what Kareem abdu Jabard
did to me. When I first got to LA I
(05:12):
was putting up historical numbers and we was getting swept
and Kareem's that one day they said, shack Man, Shacks
are gonna be a great player like you. He said,
is he really that great? They're not winning and he
has G fourteen classification to say that, And you know,
I could have took it as a jab, like Kareem,
you're just hating because I'm averaging more points to you
and I make moment, But I was like, you know what,
(05:32):
he gave me the lesson inside the criticism. So when
I criticize, I just try to give the lesson. And
you know, sometimes people take it the right way and
sometimes people don't. But people like me and you, we
have G fourteen classification. We know what it takes to
play at a certain level, and we know what it
takes to win the championship four times. So a lot
of times when we say something like I know what
(05:54):
the fuck I'm talking about. So and then a lot
of times I test people out, I'm motherfuckers off to
see what I'm dealing with. Same thing I did the Cope,
same thing I did the Penny, same thing I did
to d Wade. And if you respond and turn it
into greatness, I know I'm dealing with a fucking dog.
Like I jumped on Donovan one time and he kind
of he kind of went, so I knew I had
(06:16):
to handle him with with you know, kitting gloves. But
so a lot of times I try to criticize and
give you the answers, and a lot of times I
just try to just say something hateful just to see
who you are, because again, I wouldn't want to listen
to a guy like me, because you know what, the
best thing I did was listen to Kareem Abdul Jabbar
and he said, I'm motherfucker, he great, but he ain't
that great and he ain't winning, and I'm looking up
(06:38):
at the fucking Jerseys. I'm like, fuck, he right, I
gotta start winning, you know. So you know, I try
to protect the guys as you know, much as possible,
but people like us don't. We don't have to hate
like we actually know what we're talking about. And you know,
sometimes guys understand it and sometimes they don't. Like the
(06:59):
other day and it went viral. I don't know why
I went went went viral. Joker is my guy. I'll
always talked great about Joker, right absolutely, And I said
to him, I said, Joker, I want you to hear
this from me. Other people like Shannon Sharp don't get
on they fucking podcast and twist and trying to make
it look like I'm hating and I said, Yo, you're
the best big man in the league. You're my favorite player.
(07:19):
You're the vice president of the Big Man Alliance. However,
I think SGA should have got MVP. Like when you're
a man and you know you're dealing with another man,
respect is a must. Like Draymond, you shouldn't have kicked
them in the balls. I'm not hating. I'm just saying, bro,
they need you for the next game. You should ain't
like I'm hating. So you know, so for people who
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don't try to understand the clarity that we have and
they try to make it something different.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So I'm glad you asked that question.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So again to your answer, I try to criticize, but
give you the answers to the test, like, hey, you
want to be dominant average twenty eight ten and you know, hey, Donovan,
you ain't no superstar yet. I want you to sometimes
say fuck shock and just go do what you do
because if we protect this thing of ours, guy's gonna
be making eighty or anything. They say that when this
(08:10):
next deal come around, Luker gonna be making eighty. Man.
That ain't because of me, that's because of doctor j.
He gave it to Mike Man gave it to me.
I gave it to Bron. Bron gave it to y'all.
Y'all about to give it to Luca Luke, about to
give it to wom Beyona. So we have to make
sure that you know, all these guys play at a
high level and the ones that that really take it
(08:31):
as hate, the ones that don't, that don't understand. I
don't really care. You just mentioned Donovan when you said
when you said he wasn't a superstar yet? Is he
a superstar now? Has he crossed that now? Because that
was like two three years ago when you said that
he's close and you know, as you know, there's a
fine luverer between fine line between a star and a
superstar close. I would like to see him dominate more.
(08:55):
Any guy that can put up numbers anytime he wants
shows me that you're a puppy, but you can be
trained to be a mean dog. You ever see a
bunch of puppies and you're looking at that one puppies,
that's the one you always pick because you be like,
if he's aggressive right now, I could train him to
be more aggressive. So like when I went at him,
I made it seem like a disc but I wanted
(09:16):
him to respond be like, Okay, watch this, because that's
what all the Gretes do. I sit back and I
still watch you today like I watched you when I
was a kid. Only difference is then you were playing
the game of basketball and now we're all watching you
crush the game of life from a business perspective, just
(09:39):
from a legend. And everything that you do, we're watching
you do it at the highest level, and I admire that.
And one question that I have for you is how
is it that you have stayed human?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And when I say stayed human, here's what I'm saying.
You are.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Seven to one, three hundred plus pounds African American man,
so you're already bigger than everyone. That's a strike against
you in height and mass. You're a black man in America,
that's a strike against you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You are a legend.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Most people won't believe it, but that's actually a strike
against you. Because people put you on a pedestal. They
want to tear you off the pedestal. Everything that you
do is going to be criticized. How is it that
you have stayed human to people like approachable? You know,
no one's like people see you and they're like, oh
(10:40):
my god. And like when I see you with people,
you're immediately able to break that ice, Like how have
you stayed that through the success and through all the
things that are up against you, just naturally because of
who you are in the way that you look. You know,
when I first got drafts, I was making a lot
of money and I took my mom to a restaurant.
Was acting big Willie. I was acting like I was
(11:02):
a shit and my mother was disappointed, and she said, son,
it cost you nothing to be nice. So I dropped
the arrogant thing now because you know, coming from where
we come from, we didn't have anything, and now I
got it. So that's my world. You're gonna do what
the fuck out? You know, all that attitude. She's like,
it cost you nothing to be nice. And then one
time I was in LA and I was at a
(11:22):
restaurant and I saw a superstar. I'm gonna say his name,
but a kid came and asked for autograph. He fucking
made the kid cry. And I always said to myself,
I ever get the superstar status, I'm I always take
care of the kids. My mama said, be nice, I'm
going to take care of my family. Everything I do
is for my family, especially my mother. You know where
we played the game of basketball and they paid pay
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us a lot of money from two to seventeen. It
hit me when I first got drafted. My mom never
had her own house, and she never really had her
own house. And like you know, they, you know, our parents,
they give us the basics. Be respectful, go to school,
get this education, and make sure you always work hard.
(12:04):
That was, you know, the basis for a family. So
when I said to myself, you know what, I'm about
to buy my mama house, right, I'm about to buy
my dad the same six hundred mestadies I got. I'm
about to take care of my brother. I'm about to
take care of my family. Now, there's many ways to
lose that, you know, the ways to lose that. So
you stay away from that and you lean towards the
(12:26):
stuff that keeps it, you know, start businesses, you know,
educate yourself on you know, financial stability or you know,
financial wealth. Everything I do is for my family. And
now that I have seven children, now I have to
do and I have to say the right thing, good
thing about me and my crew, is if I happen
to get offline, they can check me. Like I did
(12:49):
a little AI disc record. My mom wasn't happy with that,
so I'm done with it. I ain't gonna say nothing
else about it. So you know, that's you know, another
attribute I have as I always listen. You know, the
world famous Uncle Jerome absolutely the only one that could
turn my motoro like he tell you bullshiting like I
used to. You know, I got tired of duncan and
(13:10):
go to my jump hook. So every now and then
I like to shoot the fade away and I may miss,
for as soon as I fucking hit one, I look
at him and be like, don't nobody want to see
that shit?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Fuck that, don't shoot that dumbas shit.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
So you know, you have to listen sometimes and you
have to, you know, follow your goals and you have
to stick to your principles. You know, my mother is
an avid TV watcher. I would never want to want
to her sitting down seeing me do something crazy and
then FOTM, don't fuck off the money, do not fuck
off the money. So I try to do the right thing.
I try to say the right thing, and just being nice.
(13:42):
I'm fifty years old. No, no need for me to
be arrogant towards anybody that looks up to me, looks
up to me. No need for me to be arrogant
towards anybody. You know, if you approach me the wrong way,
I know how to reapproach you with that same energy.
But listen, I'm a nice guy. I've fulfilled all my dreams.
You know, all my children hate using this word, but
(14:02):
I have seven perfect children, like they don't give me
no problems. A couple in college, a couple of graduated.
Shout out to my nephew, Miles Bailey. You just graduated.
I'm gonna help him get in law school. So you know,
the family is very important to me. So again, I
just try to do and just try to say the
right thing. You know, keep my mouth shut. I don't
(14:23):
get into the gossip mats and all that, and I
just try to make people's mouth You did the unthinkable.
We've seen a couple guys attempt to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Then.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think the latest and most popular was Big Baller
brand with the with the ball family, you start a
shock the Parlin sneakers clothes and starting that as a
household name as the Shaquille O'Neill most dominant player we've
(14:55):
ever seen play. I remember sixth grade a pair of
shoes that my grandfather bought me from Kmart, I want
to say shacks. They were kind of all white with
the black down the middle, like through the soul, through
the tongue, kind of had like a and.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Thirty bucks as a household name.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
As when people say premium, like you want to do
premium things. You said, no, I'm gonna have these thirty
dollars sneakers number one. How did you accomplish that? Because
you're going up against Nike, you're now the president, Reebok.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Owner and president and Rebok Adidas.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You're going up against all these brands and you say, no,
I'm gonna go do my own number I help me
understand how did you go about that process? Who did
you do it with? To help you understand the marketing
and the distribution and all of those things. Initially to
start it. So one day me and my cousin Kenny,
we're leaving practice in Orlando Magic and Orlando Magic was
(16:04):
the first marine I had was in the hood. So
they used to come out shack shack uh. Matter of fact,
Marquise Daniels when I was playing with him with Boston
one time. He said, Yo, man, you don't remember me,
and I said no, and he showed me a picture.
He was one of those kids I used to always
come and get all the graph jersey and get tickets
and all that.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So one day me and my cousin Kenny, we walking
out the back of this lady. She's coming, she's, you know,
dragging us on, and she's not smiling. The boy's shack shacks.
She's not smiling, and she's like, you motherfucking I was like,
what did I do?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't know you.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You motherfuckers got these high ass motherfuckers niggers my baby.
You know he want these fucking high ass reboxing. I
can't afford him, so, you know, me, I had a
couple of stacks. I was like, man, I don't do
the price point. Here's the money, and she smacked the
money out of my hand. I want that, won't you
motherfuckers make an affordable shoe. And I'm riding in the
car and I'm thinking, I was like, that was my
(16:55):
mom and me. I asked my dad for some jorings.
Tell that motherfucker looked at me like, man, you back,
get the fuck out my face. He looked at me
like that. I had to cut grass and fucking wash
car and sell lemonade and all that bullshit. And then
by the time I got my one hundred and ten dollars,
I was scade fifteen. I bought some thirteen. That's why
(17:16):
my toes all fucked. I ain't gonna show my toes
on you, but that's something like I tried to squeeze
those Jordan, So all that shit was going back to me,
and I said, you know what, call Reebo can tell
him after this, I'm gonna do my own thing. So
if you look at this brand right here, and we're
all creatures, creatures of our environment, Jordan has to what
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jump man And this is the dunk Man. So when
I was in college one time the professor said, create
something that you can see being sold in the future.
And you know me, shack shirt, shack draws sign suck.
So I you know, I was in the marketing class,
I was in business class. So I patting it the
dunk make be cause that's how I dunk. I tried
to put my nuts in your face. So that right
here dunk Man was created in eighty nine ninety and
(18:00):
I was going and then I was talking to my
dad about it. I was like, this shit might not work.
I'm going up against these powerhouses. And he said something,
He said, there's more poor people than there are rich people.
I was like, shit, So, you know, I think it
only worked because I was a household name.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You know that. Of course you had Jordan and all
those guys.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But I was saying, I'm shock and the only thing
that took me a while to get is even though
they're thirty dollars, you can't make them look like they're
thirty dollars because you know how we get fucking criticized
in the hood, and like people always hear stories how
people used to get bullied for wearing my shoes. That's
because their mindset what wasn't right. I never made shoes
(18:40):
that looked like thirty dollars. I ever went over the
china and be like, mother fuck, I want the same leather,
I want the same everything. So I just tried to
keep the price pointing down. And that's why I did that,
because you know, it was the right thing to do,
and you know, when it was it was Rebuck another
person than me. Now it's just me and the shoe
(19:01):
manufactured guy. So you know, if you could go with Walmart,
who has fifty thousand doors, k Mart got that and
then it was a it was a no brainer. And
then you get with all these companies and they say, okay,
we don't want to shut brand. Let's say okay, so
I'll just create the dunk Man brand. So dunk Man
(19:21):
was at k Mart and Shaq was at Walmart, and
I was just and I just sat back. It wasn't
like you know because listen, back then when I first
came in, brother, I had so much money.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I didn't need no more money.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So I was like, if I don't make money, cool,
But you know, I got a report one day they said, bro,
you don't sold since you started this, you know, sold
two fifty it's up to about four hundred million pair now.
But now where I got this new company, and we're
coming with that funk now were about to so we
were downstairs, so we're about to come mid level. And
(19:52):
then you know, even even you know upstairs, because Magic
Johnson said something to me very important. He says, its
okay to be the man. But at some point you
want to start owning things.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
So this is what I own.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
This is mine, and you know a lot of people
liking and respect it, and I'm gonna keep giving them
stuff that looks good, but at a price they can afford.
In twenty sixteen, a friend of mine introduced me to
authentic brand groups. I had no clue what the fuck
it was, what they did, what it meant, how you
(20:26):
go about it. As I've gained more business knowledge and contacts,
I've learned more about what it is. And when I
was introduced to authentic Brands Group, I was actually introduced
to it by this is who Shack just partnered with.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And I thought it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Was a very interesting lesson for me because it was
this is who Shacks just partnered with, not this is
who Shacks just sold his company to.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Can you walk me through that process?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Off, you partner with authentic brand groups but necessarily didn't
take all cash.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So Ever, since a youngster, jealousy motivates me. Jealous of
Steph Curry, I wish I could fucking shoot like that.
I'm jealous of Clay. I wish my jump shot was
that motherfucking pretty like I'm jealous of Brown he's almost
a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Instead of taking that jealousy and turning the hate, it
turns into motivation. So I'm walking down Hollywood Boulevard and
I'm like, how the fuck is Elvis who's been dead
for six years still make money? So now I start
studying because Bro, I'm walking down Holly every fucking store,
bro Elvis shirts, hats, And this is towards the end
of shack and you know how that is towards the ending.
Motherfuckers act like they forget who you are. I'm like,
(21:41):
you know what fuck that? I want to left forever.
So I'm I'm seeing all this Elvis and Marilyn Monroe shit.
So I did my research and I met with two
companies and I was like, hey, I want to you know,
this is who I am, and this is what I built,
you know, me Mike and Perry and Colin and leonnond Romanlo,
this is what we built to be interested, you know,
doing a partnership with it. And the first companies say, yeah,
(22:01):
we want to buy, we want to own it. I said, oh,
how much you talking?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And then you know I've met with you know, authentic brands.
They said, hey, yeah, we want to buy. I want
to be your partners. I said, well, can I invest
in your company? So they wrote me a big check
and I wrote them a big check. And now I'm
the number two. And basically what this does is just
make sure my name lists forever. And if it doesn't
lift forever, all the brands that we own my business
still lift together. And again, it's all about family. I
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have seven kids. You know, my kids got mad at
me because I you know, I did a little speech
and I was trying to be funny, but I was serious.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
We're not rich.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm rich, so I want them to be able to
work and understand, and you know, because like I always
show them what respectable nepotism is. I took my second son, Charief,
with me to a business conference and he was amazed
at the Walmart family will make every member that wants
to be where I work with the family, make them
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take an aptitude test. And however you score on the test,
that's where you're gonna start at. So one guy who
was part of the Walmart family was very wealthy. He's like,
I didn't take the test seriously. So my uncle made
me shuffle shit for two years at the horse farm,
but teaching them the business of horse manure business. And
I was so like he learned that, so charife was
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a made. I was like, this is how it works,
my brother. I'm here, but only the kids can take it.
Boom boom boom boom man. And that's what I'm you know,
trying to, you know, show my kids. A lot of
people in your position, with the amount of wealth that
you accumulated, they most people do one of two things.
They passed their money only their hairs. And some people
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do what called ruling it from the grave, where if
you die, they got for ravens that they can't get
out of to protect people. Others give it away like
you got these different given pleasures and different things nowadays,
and they.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Give it all the charity.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What is your mindset around your children and how you
either give them money as they become adults or when
you die, or like, nah, I works for this and
you need to learn to go work on your own
and I'm giving it all the way.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
What's your approach to.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Those I told my kids all the time, we don't
need another basketball player in the family. Give me a lawyer,
give me a veterinarian, give me a hedgphune operator. So
they get something. But the higher they go in education,
the more they get. And you know, I tell them
all the time, I said, school is important. Education is
important to me. You know, I wasn't the smartest guy
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in the book, but you know I took things that
were very hard and broke it down to a simple
as form. Like you know, when I was learning business
and school, I really didn't understand it until I got
with a businessman and he showed me what a joint
venture was. He showed me what a you know, sub
chapter S corporation is. So I was like, oh, this
is what it means to get education. So I just
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tell them, whatever it is you want to do, let
me know. I'll hook you up and I'll start you off,
and once you master that, we'll be on our way.
And again, I hate you nothing that that pe word,
but I got I don't have no problem to none
of my babies, none at all.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Man, that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Getting into the basketball you had the opportunity to play
with and in a major way, d Wade, Kobe, and Penny.
You played with Brin. To me, that was kind of
the tell end of your career. Like it wasn't your
as shocked dominant as you were with those guys. When
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you look at those three guys, though, rate them. It's
tough to rate them because we speak a language. Right
if I say in our language, but it gets out
not saying that you show would do that. But even
if you put out a clip, the ones that don't
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comprehend our language, that try to make it look like
I'm rating them, But I'm gonna rate him because you're
a good friend of nobody, and he asked me to
do it. Kobe number one, he had the Master kill
him in Dellity, and I like to say I help
him get that because when he first came in, I
put the Donovan tests on. I fuck you ain't shit,
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I don't shoot fuck that, and it would drive him crazy.
You know you talk about the six five six hours
a day in the gym. Yeah, he did that just
so he could shut me the fuck up. And I
loved it because I already knew what I was gonna do.
I already knew I was gonna get you twenty eight
ten in the playoffs, thirty five whatever, but I needed
another guy, and I always used to piss him off.
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You know you know this very well. I don't know
how your team was, but you know for a fact,
you don't have to be like this to win the championship.
You do not on the court you have to be
like this, but attitudes and minute you don't have to
be like that. So, you know, we used to always
go at it and it was I don't want to
say my fault, but I knew what the fuck I
was doing because when he came in, he showed me
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that he wanted to be a dog. He was that
puppy that was nibbling on a chair and I was like, okay,
watch this, motherfuck. He ain't nah fuck, don't shoot shoot
it again, motherfucker want so like he just shoot to
piss mother. And then by the time he got into
itself and I kind of had to make a decision like,
you know, feels like listen, let him do what he
doing the fourth quarter. And once I made that decision,
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I was like, you know, and then we was because like,
first three quarter, give me the fucking ball, let me
do what I'm gonna do, let me get us in
the penalty. And then because I'm not a great free
throw shooter, fourth quarter, I'll step back and you do
what you do. And we did that, and you know
he sacrificed. He did because he all those finals where
he helped me win the championship. He damn sure could
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have easily got found with the MVP. But that was
our plan, big dog E for the first three and
the fourth I takeover And my favorite game in Indiana
was our first championship where I filed out and I
looked at him. I was like this, if we lose,
it's all my fucking fuck, shacky, motherfucker. You want to
be a rapper, you're doing movies and you ain't contentrating
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on your free throws. I don't know what my percentage was,
but it wasn't black Steph Curry like, so I already
know if we fucking lose this series gonna be my fuck.
I'm looking at Kobe, motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Do me like that.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'm like, and that mo fucker he had an incredible
four or five like in it, And then I knew
then we was gonna win out win our first championship.
So him for that Penny ultimate team player and mofucker.
And I don't know if you know the story, but
at my second my first movie no second movie, Blue Chips.
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So you know, it was already a problem for me
to go fucking shooting movies. You're not gonna be able
to work out. So it was in my contract I
got to work out from eight to twelve. So they
built a little fucking gym and I got all the
NBA players that run down and this motherfucker is diaming
me up like crazy six seven.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
My fuck's smooth and I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Running and as soon as I go like that, the
fucking balls there, I'm spending. He throwing the libs. I
was like, yo, man, who the fuck is this actor?
Cause you know, you know we on the movie. They said,
that's Penny Hardaway. And I don't know about you, but
I don't be looking at college players seeing who the
fuck coming. I got ship to do, so I don't
know who the fuck is this dude. He's like, man,
that's fucking Penny Hardaway. And I can remember before I left,
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you know, us losing and getting swept. These scott come
to me and say, Yo, man, you gotta fucking takeover
because I'm the I'm the military kid, I'm the discipline kid. Yes, sir, no, sir,
whatever you say sir these Scott was like, man, fuck that,
you gotta take over. So I was like, you know what,
Now I'm gonna try it. Hey, man, you know who
Penny Hardaway is. Yeah, we might not get him. We
want the first pig we want to go with Seawe.
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Nowh fuck that, You're gonna have to get Penny. Yeah,
I don't know if we can get Penny. Listen, what
the fuck I'm telling you right now? My dealer is
up in two years. If you don't give me what
I wanted to help me win this championship, I'm gonna
have to look elsewhere. So me and Kenny and Uncle
Jerome we have the house. We watching the draft, they
draft Chris Webber. I'm fucking picking up lamps. I'm just
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tearing the motherfucking house upart because I'm like, these motherfuckers
didn't listen to me. They tested me. You know, because
now that I put myself in charge, motherfucker, I'm in charge,
you're gonna have to do the fuck I say, or
else I'm gonna have to go thwirl where they're gonna
let me be in charge. So I'm tearing the fucking
house up and going crazy. Kenny and I'm trying to
wrest me to the floor and then they say, wait, wait,
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the Onlando Magic make a trade with the Golden State
Warriors for Penny for Chris, and I was like, oh shit,
they did it.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
They listened to me.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So now de Scott them don't know what I got
because I don't know if they know Penny, but I
know this motherfucker is nice. So him and d Wade
our first argument was in the finals, we go down,
Oh two, I'm declining the shack. I'm going through divorce.
I'm not shocked. I have my first two games fucking
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terrible offer. So I'll pull d Wade in the room.
The fuck you gonna do? Man, motherfucker you want to
be the man? What the fuck are you gonna do?
And he was he's he had a looker. It wasn't
I wasn't trying to fight. I was just asking the question.
He had a look at relief like, oh, I can't say, yeah, mofuck,
I got four people on me. I just took well.
In the future, I'm gonna talk to my good friend Draymond.
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He he gonna tell me they're gonna put a motherfucker
in front of me behind me. That's the fuck they're
doing to me right now. What the fuck are you
gonna do? Though, and he he said, okay, shack and
he went off. So it's not that I'm rating them,
even though I answer you a question. I was fortunate
enough to play with three of the greatest guards and Bron.
Bron had so much power, Like when I got there,
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I've never seen a young kid with that much power
and deserbingly so like he had everything in order, and
it was just so and I think we could have
we could have possibly went further. I don't know if
you remember we were when first the whole year, Big
Baby broke my thumb and I was out.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I came back. I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I wasn't you know at that time was already declined
to shack and you break my thumb and then I
got to sit out five weeks and then try to
come back and beat a Boston team. It wasn't gonna happen,
because you know, at that point, I was like, I
gotta get fucking five before he did. I already got four,
and this motherfucker I got so I was I was
marine chasing, but you know, I was just you know,
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like you said, I want to just try to step
in and you know, help people. And then when I
went to Boston, same thing. I thought we could have
made it pretty far. But I told my Achilles, But
you know, I hate rating those guys because I don't
want ignorant people don't understand our language, that try to
twist it up. And oh he said Coolby was better.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying all those
guys had different attributes and they were great players. Do
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you regret and so you went so hard for Penny,
for Orlando to get Penny, do you regret leaving Orlando
as soon as you did, you know, not seeing it
through with Penny the whole way.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And the reason is I am programmed to Once you
make a decision, you live with that decision, right or wrong.
And you know one thing about my agent at the time,
who Lennon ar Model was. He informed me about business.
I knew where the money was going, you know when
I came in, you know, because I think what even
got me interested in playing basketball, John Concak was making
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fifteen for three. I was at home one day my
father smacked me in the back of the head with
a paper because I was a medium level juvenile the linker.
I was like you, I was a fucking football guy,
so I used to like to bring that pain. So
I was like, you know, and then my high school
coach said, you ain't gonna make it. I ain't had
no scholarships. I already had a plan to join the
fucking army. I already knew the army life was a
good life. On a join the army. My father smacked
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the shit on me one day with a paper. Look
at this and it was John Conckak. No disrespect to John,
because you know I ended up playing with Johnny. He's
a great fellow. And he said, hey, look at this, dude.
So we got the fifteen for three. I ain't the
smartest guy to where I know that's five in a year.
So I'm watching John Concack play and San Antonio himis
fer Arena, and I'm like, damn, I'm like this now.
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So now I really started taking basketball serious. And I
had a guy that I met in Germany and the
name of Dale Brown. He already offered me the scholarships.
Already know I'm going to LSU. So you know, my
agent kept telling me how the money's gonna be a lot.
So when he said, when I first got dryed how
much you want? I was like, I don't know. Six
melli a year. He's like, nah, man, we're gonna ask
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for fifty. And I was like, what he said, We're
going to ask for fifty. I ended up getting forty
for seven. I think I was the first to do this.
He's like, but I'm gonna put the clause in there
you can do something after three after four, and I
was like, okay, sounds good. So when it came back
around to Orlando, now everybody was talking about one hundred million.
I want to be the first hundred million. You got
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a guy, it was mine, So I started high, I said,
and they said no. And then here during the Olympics
ninety six, me and uncle Jerome we had Magic City
doing what we do a Magic City, and my agent
call it's like two thirty am, said I got a
call and need you to come to this hotel except
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for he said come. So I get there and it's
the Great Jerry West and I just always saying we
play leers. Never really met him, but of course I
know it is. I shake his hand, he said he
want the good news to the bad news. I said,
I don't want the bad news. He said, I couldn't
get you to one fifty. I said, what's the good news.
We can get you one twenty. But he's like, you
got to sign right now. So I was like, And
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then I told Leonard, I said Carl Orlando. He said
they they weren't even close. So hey, my mom, my
mom needs a new house. Even though she didn't, that's
all I'm thinking about. So I went that. So even
though I always think about what me and Penny could
have done, it's not a decision I regret because when
it comes to family and it comes to making decisions,
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I make the decision as a leader, as a general,
and if it happened to be the wrong decision, that's
something that I can live with. You said something when
you were just discussing Kobe, Uh, you were discussing Kobe,
what y'all did in the fourth quarter? You said, quarters
one through three, I dominate, and then we let Kobe
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take over in the fourth. And I recently was just
on Instagram, maybe a week ago and not even a
week ago, and Gilbert Arenez on his podcast was talking
about Joker and saying, you know, when it's time to
get a bucket, the ball always go to Jamal Murray
towards the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
So how can you say he's the best player?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Uh talking about Joker because Jamal Murray get those last
shots and you pretty much just said that's what me
and Kobe did, like I did this and then we
let him go. Then, So what do you make of
Gilbert Arenas statement about Joker saying he's not as good
because Jamal Murray gets the ball down the stretch, he
takes all the big shots, being that he was a
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part of us, he has that G fourteen classification. But
Joker is really good and Jamal is really good. That's
just the way that their team is set up up.
When it comes to the most Valuable Player, I always
thought it meant the baddest mother fucking the league, like
your guy who made history which should have been my history,
the most dominant, I mean, the unanimous MVP. He's the
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baddest motherfucker in the league. I don't give a fuck
what your record is, what where you all at one
through eight? He's the badest mother fucking league. That's the
most viable player. To me, I don't understand what the
classifications are best player on the best team. We as players,
we know who the baddest motherfucker is. We know who
the strongest is, we know who the better we know
you know, all these voters sometimes they just sometimes they
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just get with their favorites and they stick with their favorites.
I don't know what the fucking criteria is. So you
know what, I think the point that you know giber
was trying to make is, Okay, if he's the baddest guy,
why is he getting the ball? Sometimes you got to
do that. Like, you know, Shannon Sharp said something the
other day, Oh, Shaq wasn't the best player on the team.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I'm not better than fucking Penny all the way, not
better than Kobe Browann, not better than d Way. But
I'm the baddest motherfucker on them. That's what I always
try to be. I always try to be the biggest, baddest,
my fuck all that bad bro. I wasn't better than
the lines of Morning Christian Laightner coming out of college,
but I was the baddest motherfucker. That's why I got
picked number one. So you know, a lot of times,
like if you got G fourteen classification, I'll let you
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say what you want. If you don't, I ain't gonna
let you like I'm I'm you know, sometimes people take
our niceness for granted. And I'm big on G fourteen classification.
So I don't have a problem with what Gilbert said.
He's been there, he's done that, he was with us.
I understand that. But you know, all opinions are subjective.
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You either agree or you disagree. Ronald, we have now
in this world. As somebody say something you don't like it,
you want to take it and put it in anything.
Just that's cool too, but just make you sure you
have that G fourteen classification. And G fourteen classification gets
you in the building. We have ranks me and you
have the highest fucking ranks me, you, Steph Cole Magic
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were on the top on the fucking floor. A lot
of guys are in the building, but they don't have
the same you know, right to say certain things as
we do. But again I'll have a problem with I
do even have a problem with he said where I
hate all centers, I don't hate all senters. I never
said anything bad about Joker. I just think they they
thought I was trying to be funny when I told him,
I said, no, I want you to hear from me first, joker,
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and I'm telling you like a man, You my guy,
I love you. But as she ay, she got an
MVP that I ain't know this. But again I did it,
and I slowed it down so people can understand that.
And I even add, hey, this is no disrespect to you,
and they still take it and twist it. And all
shack hates all big men. Don't hate all big men.
I hate all big men that don't play like fucking
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big man. That's what I hate. A couple more questions
before we get out of here. The modern day big joker. Uh,
you know those guys Joel Wimby, I'm jealous of them.
Why wish I could step out and shoot the three brother?
You know why I call myself black Stuff Curry Because
if I go to the gym and miss one hundred
and ninety fucking threes and make one on the black
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Stuff Curry, that shit fucking feel good to step out
and shoot that three bro. But again, you gotta understand
about me jealous. When I'm jealous, I'm not envious. I'm
jealous to fucking motivate me. So every now and then
I go out there and try to Clay Thompson my shit,
and just you know, I built the corporate I just
go out there and try to shoot. I'm jealous of
them because I wish I was allowed to do that.
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You know, back then I would every now and then
take and go coast to coach, the coach and looking
at me crazy. So they're they're allowed to do it. Indeed,
is a mixture of me in the post and a
chemo ije run outside and joker he's man. I was
trying to figure who he reminded me of. I was
thinking a little brad Daughtery, a little Sabonis in the
eighty four land, Like his game is just nice, and
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I like people that play at that pace. I asked
you about Luca one time. I was like, he's really
that nice, and he was like, yeah, the motherfucker's strong
and he played at his pace. So I really like
those guys. Any other big wom Bigianna's is different. He's
he's he's he's thin, but like he he does some stuff.
He's he's he's really different. As the president of the
Big man alliance. I really like those three guys. Any
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other big guys, I'm not really feeling so when he
say I hate all big men, I don't hate all
big men. Just don't like the big men that don't
play like big men. Do you think there would be
any benefit to Joel at times saying oh, you know
what I'm and I'm channeling my inner shock right now
for fuck shack, just play, just play the odds. If
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I got a guy six seven on me, I'm not
shooting no jumper, even if I know how to shoot
the jumper one, I'm gonna try to get him in
foul trouble, get my team in a penalty, and the
percentages go up when you move closer to the basket.
It's just so you know why you want to drive
between your legs and shoot jumpers, like when listen, when
it goes in, looks pretty, but when it doesn't go
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off and playoff situations, you're going to have to live
with that. Oh you're the only MVP who never made
out the first round, and I know guys don't want
to live with that. So I just want him to
just you know, play, play, play to his ability, Like
if you got another agile, big guy. You take him
out and you go around them. But anybody that's smaller
than you, you got to go on the post and
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then go to work. And then once they w you
make it easier for Maxie actually a good player. But
if he don't have to work as hard, I think
he can. I think he can be a lot better
like Maxie was doing it. And he's younger than that.
But I wanted to make the game easy for Penny,
Kobe and d Way.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Let me.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Let me, let me go down here and jump with
these motherfuckers to death, and then when they start filing
and doing stuffing, I'm gonna kick to you.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Then y'all go to work. So that's what I think
about Joe.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Last couple questions, Uh, you shit has been what thirteen
years now?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah? Thirteen. You took you and you took.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
On another role in what you've been doing at TNT
with the sid NBA crew. What did you first think
you was getting yourself into as opposed to what it's
turned into. I wanted to be the black Brian Gumble
and use big words and do all that, and TNT said, motherfucker,
we'll fire your ass tomorrow. Be you, and I think
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that's what makes our show the best show out there.
G fourteen Classification, Barkley All the Famous Shack, All of
the Fam, McKinney, two time champion, Ernie, best analysts in
the world. Yes, but you guys can be yourself and
we make fun of people. We crack jokes, We do
a lot of stuff. Because you also have to realize
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I have to watching two games. Good games are bad games.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
The fans that.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Are real people don't have to work in the morning.
If we're going to keep you up ast your bedtime,
at least we want to do is entertain you. And
I think the reason why they hired you. You're very
intelligent and you're definitely one of us. You know how
to crack jokes. You and Charles are also y'all have
me roller so welcome to the team, and I'm glad
you're here. But I didn't really know what I was
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getting myself into. But I t k he was a
producer there. He's like, we don't want you follow that shit.
Just talk about your experiences, talk about what you know.
And he said, he said, people know you know what
you're talking about because you did it. Because you did it.
And uh so they just you know told me to
just you know, be myself. I wish I could talk more.
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Charles is good at fucking talking, and then when you
supposed to fucking rotate, he'll say something. And that's why
I snapped on his I said, Yo, motherfucker one two
three and not one two and back to the motherfucking one.
He like cutting motherfuckers off, repeating hisself like, like, bro,
you said that ship. I've been here twelve years. You
say the same shit every year, Chris Paul the grizzly motherfucker,
we heard that say something different.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
We had we had Chuck on the show a couple
of years agoing I asked them, y'all get into these
he arguments. Do you ever really get pissed off? No,
because it's a perfect story. I'm like you, I'm up,
I will fight you and do whatever. So one time
this motherfucker and like, I never had no problem with Charles.
I it's the same way you looked up to me.
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I looked up to Charles. Charles let me know it
was okay to elbow motherfucking the mouth. My father used
to said, well, you need to be like Barkley and
knock him up. So in college and even in the league.
So we're playing in Houston one day, Charles is older.
The motherfucker hit me in the head with the ball.
I can't let that shake slide. I can't go back
to any barbershop, any motherfucking crib.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Nothing. Now.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I gotta knock this motherfucker out. But the mistake was
I made was I leaned too far to the left
and he went that way. I wanted to throw the
left because I wanted him to come inside. I was
gonna try to knock that motherfucker's head off to let
him know, like, hey, I ain't want these motherfuckers. You
can throw the ball at so Bro. By the time
I got to the motherfucking tunnel, Uncle Jerome had to
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meet the phone and I'm like hello, and it was
my mom and Charles mom on the phone. They's like, y'all,
shit be doing. I was like, who's this. She's like,
my mom, check, this is Charles mom. So you know
when it's mom. Even though I'm mad at him, I
ain't gonna be like fucking yes, ma'am, y'all stop that ship.
I don't already talk to Charles, y'all, y'all that shit out.
And you know she she was not ghetto, but she was.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
She was hard.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
She was like, y'all, cut that shit out, y'all don't
need to be fighting. So mama dropped that final order.
I'm not gonna go against my mama ever. So I'm
walking down the hall. He walking down the hall. I'm
looking at him like mofucker, even though my mama said
that you make a move a woman knock there. So
he started laughing and I started laughing, and then I
finally see my mom sayd what was that about? She said,
me and me and Charles MoMA been best friend for
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thirty years. Crazy. Yeah, So one time I seen them
playing cards. It's the same shit, me and Charles. Do
you know know I'm playing no motherfucking state like they.
But it's respectful. So even though we argue, I know,
as a man you can't disrespect another man. I think
like men that have the same principles, you can talk
to each other same way. Like my little guy over there,
that's my cousin. We grow up together. We fight every
(46:56):
fucking day, but we don't disrespect each other. And the
fact that we don't disrespect each other. You can say
that you got to say. I'll say what I gotta say.
So you know, I'm never mad at him to the
point where I wanted to beat him up, because one
my mom would be upset. His mom passed away. She
was so nice my mom, she would be upset. So
even if he said something crazy, I know you not
disrespect me. I know it's just Charles. I'll just let
(47:18):
it go before we get out of here. Obviously, Yes,
you know, I think you know, being one of the
most successful businessmen to come through the NBA. You know,
we see Junior Bridgeman magic, you know, and you have
put yourself in that category, you guys, So you understand
business you guys have had and I'm honored to grace
(47:41):
the stage with you all whenever I get the opportunity.
But what you guys have built at inside the NBA,
it has been special. Business is business. And there's a
TV deal coming up with the possibility of turn or not,
you know, having broadcasting rights. That is a possibility if
that's to happen. Everybody wants to know what happens with
(48:01):
this crew. You know, you guys, you four guys like
it's the Premier show. When it comes to NBA basketball,
what happens with this group from your perspective of how
do you see that. I don't like to think left,
which is negative. I don't like to think right. I
do like to think what it is. So until we
hear what it is, I don't know. I'm glad. I
(48:24):
have different options to fall back home. But you know,
when I go left, it's just it starts to get sad,
like damn oh, Ernie, no Chuck, no Kenny. Then when
I think right, it's a lot of other possibilities. So
great possibilities, but right now I'm gonna just stay in
the middle. And you brought up a name. Junior Bridgeman
was another guy who I'm jealous of. I remember one
(48:47):
time I'm walking through the airport and I saw the
ten richest athletes. It was a time article. I was like, mo, fuck,
I'm number two. I ain't fucking with Mike, but shit,
I'm number mother fucking too magic maybe number two, so
fucking I'm number three.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
So I look at the list.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Like Mike fuck man fuck, and then Junior Bridgeman chicks,
I'm like, what the fuck is Junior Bridge And so
I'm like eight hundred million. So now instead of being
envistment like it, just like jealousy motivates me. Brother been
like that since I'm a kid, like you see a
kid like, always tell my son when you go to
(49:23):
these AU tournaments, find out who's who, make sure you
go at them. So like for me, I was always
behind Kenny Anderson. So I went to the motherfucker McDonald's
Auto American game. I met Dick Vatael was like, hello, missus,
Dick Vytail. He's like, and you are so this motherfucker.
I don't know who I am. Oh shit, and everybody's
sucking off Kenny and Jimmy Jackson, all these motherfuckers. I said, okay, motherfucker.
(49:45):
So I told misterout, I said, you don't know me yet,
but tomorrow at twelve thirty, the whole world on my guy.
So that that shit motivated me. So I'm looking at
Junior Berid, I'm like, fuck, it's my fucker on all
this shit, and I just I just it just makes
me makes me work harder because we like stories. I
like to open that Time magazine and see Shack two
three big like, so I'm not there yet, but I
(50:07):
think I'm working, you know, to a way to get there.
So I just want to tell athletes it's okay to
be jealous at the time, but just make sure you
use that as motivation and not hate. Big fellow, I
appreciate you man, see about seeing about thirty minutes. Yes, Sir,
Draymond Green Show and y'all wouldn't have beat us in
the finals.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Easy, easy money.
Host
Draymond Green
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