The Draymond Green Show - DeMar DeRozan

DeMar DeRozan joins ‘The Draymond Green Show’ to discuss the impact of himself and LeBron James playing at The Drew League, how he overcame his doubters after his San Antonio Spurs seasons, how his mental health played was affected in free agency before joining the Bulls, what the next steps are for himself, Zach LaVine, and the Bulls, and what it’s like playing in the same building and on the same team as Michael Jordan did. #Herd

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(00:52):
Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. We have here today,
brother of my UM, someone who I want to go
medal with and that you may have seen me speak
with before UM, and I hope you enjoyed that, and
I hope you enjoy this, and I think this would

(01:13):
be a little bit different. Honestly, I have all of
these notes here to talk about and go off. But
the reality is is I think what you're gonna enjoy
most about this is this is gonna be a dope
conversation with me and my brother. Five time All Star,
three time All NBA Chicago Bulls star DeMar de Rosan.

(01:36):
What's something I appreciate you? Man? You know, have you
on me on the show I'm coming. I don't care
what it's about. You can start a cooking show tomorrow,
I'll be on it. So I appreciate that, brother, UM
Number one, I want to say thank you because I
don't never take this for granted. Although we will chop
it up any day, talk on the phone any day.

(01:57):
I think the thing that most people don't realize is
like how much fun I have doing this, But when
you're with someone like I talked to this dude probably
three or four times a week all year, and you know,
when you're when you're allowed to do something that you
love with the people you love, enshare that with you.

(02:21):
I don't take that for granted. So getting into this,
um number one, like, let's let's go right into this. What.
I had a chance last weekend to watch you and
Braun play in the Drew League, and for me, I

(02:42):
enjoyed the hell out of it. And the reason I
enjoyed it was because you missed that atmosphere like I
missed the atmosphere of going into a high school gym
and playing basketball or watching a back sketball game. Now
you take that to to another level and I'm going

(03:05):
into a high school gym watching you and Lebron James
play a basketball game. What what was that like? And
I know you playing the Drew often, but I can't
imagine the energy that I felt that day. I can't
imagine that it's always like that, nah. I mean I
made it a conscious effort to come back this all season,

(03:28):
said I was gonna try to play in the Drew
every weekend, you know. The last couple of years, you know,
especially with the pandemic, it was a summer it wasn't
no Drew. Um. The following summer was kind of sporadic
all over the place. Um. You know, so that basketball element,
you know, for the community hasn't been there, you know.
I think for me, I was just trying to get
back on top of working on my game. But just

(03:49):
give those the kids that hasn't had the opportunity to see,
you know, basketball up close and personal, you know. And
for me, it was just a conscious effort of being there.
And it was one day, uh one the previous weekend,
Brian had hit me after I played in it, and
it was like I'm trying to come down there and
play with you. So I'm like, you know, in the moment,

(04:10):
I'm like, hell, yeah, that's dope, you know, not just
for me, just for the community, you know. And he
was with it, you know. I told him, Man, come on,
let's do it. You know. Um he gave me the
night before I put out a little tweak, you know,
and woke up the next day and it was it
was one of those moments that you can't duplicate. Like
I remember when Cold came and played in the drew.
That was kind of one of the most epic moments

(04:32):
of how he did that. But it wasn't even supposed
to have been a game played that day. So this
time around where brin coming, it was a game supposed
to be played. I've been playing in it. Um in
the wake up that that morning and see the line
around the drew Lee stretched around the corner. It just
took it back to that old school early two thousands,

(04:52):
feel like you said, being in the high school gym
and just to see the kids out there, being able
to see Lebron James come in Compton, like you cannot
beat that, you know. In the atmosphere was was one
of the kind of was special. Um. I'm I was
honored to be a part of it. And you know,
I gotta give credit to bron for even you know,
you're talking about a guy that's the goat in our

(05:15):
league going into his twentieth season, you know, going out
there playing like what we grew up watching, you know
what I mean, it was, it was. It was amazing feeling.
You know, I had a great time just being out there,
you know, um playing with him obviously, and you know,
you just look around. It was a couple of moments
when I just look around you see kids, you know,

(05:35):
just the smile and excitement on their face, like that's
something that's going that they're gonna remember forever, you know,
And that's what it's all about. I spoke about this
on UM maybe two episodes ago UM on the podcast,
and and I was speaking about number one, some some

(06:00):
of the talking heads come out and and want to
dissect the game. Number one, We're not dissecting the summer
a Drew League game. Now, We're not even gonna go
Summer league. That's NBA summer. We're not dissecting a Drew
League game. But what I said on that episode was
what what it was for me. And again, I'm not

(06:20):
from Compton. I'm not from l A. I don't play
in l A. I live here, but and so this
isn't my community. Now in saying that you from here,
I got other folks from here. I embraced the community
because this community has been great to me. Although I
haven't played here, I'm not from here, so I embraced

(06:41):
this community. But as someone who's not a local here,
what I saw was, like you just said, kids that
will never in their life have the opportunity to watch
you play, have the opportunity of the to watch Lebron

(07:02):
James play, and and like I could feel that, like
you could see that, you could see the reactions on
their faces and to allow the city to touch him
growing up for me, and I'm sure it's the same
way for you. Maybe possibly a little different for you

(07:23):
because it's bigger around you as opposed to me growing
up and sagging off. NBA players were like surreal to me, Yeah,
no question, they weren't real people, like somebody you watched
play basketball on TV and like, wow, that's incredible, Like
I want to do that one day, But no clue
how to get there. What I saw from those kids

(07:44):
was like they got to touch you, They got to
touch Lebron James. How big is that for the community
and continuing to move Compton forward and continuing to make
Compton a better place than it was when you arrived.
And Gus, that's what it's all about. And that was

(08:05):
even a conversation I had with Brian was saying, you know,
this was for the city. You know, the last couple
of years, no passing of Kobe, you know, we lost
Nipsey Hustle, Um, it's been you know, the city has
kind of been extremely heavy with losing a lot of
legends that the community look up to, and guys just
outside of sports that moved this whole community and give

(08:27):
you imagination and give you that inspiration. I want to
keep pushing forward, you know, So that moment there was
an opportunity for us to capitalized on and like you said,
you've seen it in these kids face that that's gonna
do something for them. That's the way beyond just basketball.
Give you a sense of motivation, confidence, um, inspiration and

(08:49):
want to be something bigger and better than what you
see in that moment. I remember when I was a kid.
You know, no, no disrespect, But to me, my first
NBA player that I've seen that I thought was everything
that I could touch with Derrick Martin. Most people don't
even know who Derrick Martin is, but I remember seeing
him at my grandfather's house when I was a kid,
and just knowing he was in the NBA was the

(09:09):
only motivation I needed to keep pushing forward. You know
what I mean, You're telling me, Lebron James just came
down here to play in right across the street is
the projects right down the street, Like is the neighborhood
I grew up in. Like I could go on and
own what's around that community. So to see this this

(09:30):
man come up there and play, damn, it's about, you know,
critiquing it. Like you said, It's bigger than that. It's
bigger than basketball. It's being an inspiration and motivation to
that community to have light and to keep pushing forward.
And that was a positive day. That's that's gonna be
remembered forever. I'll be one percent honest. After I watched that,
I'm like, yo, I think I need to play in

(09:51):
the drew, but I haven't. I haven't played at a
pro am game and probably six or seven years. And
I think for me when I did used to play,
I used to play back in Michigan. And the reason
I played in the Shy League before, and the reason
I don't play in some really he or like pro

(10:14):
am games or whatever it is in the summer, it's
because I get too serious, like I don't. It's either
it's either I'm gonna be like dialed in and serious
as hell, or I can't take the game serious. And
if I can't take the game serious, then I don't
like being out there. But I then watched you get
into it with do with with the taxi Kobe is on.

(10:37):
That's the only that's the only way I remember him
that he had on the taxi Kobe's and by the way,
kind of pissed me off a little bit. You was
over there on the sideline talking and he just sitting
there mug and when he didn't get back in the game.
I don't know, bro, but I ain't appreciated that ship.
Kind of pissed me off a little bit. But in
saying that, it feels like to me and once I

(10:58):
saw that get serious out there, yeah, I mean, that's
that's the game we grew up on. You know what
I mean, Like that's how I looked at the game.
Where when you go to the park or you're going
to the gym, like it's not playtime, you know what
I mean. And no matter if I'm playing in NBA
or if I'm playing Drew League, or if there's nobody watching,

(11:21):
that's that's you know, the passion I have towards the game.
And that's how if you that way, that's that's that's
what it's called for. I don't care who you playing again,
you know what I mean. But that's the beauty of
the game in itself. To be able to bring that
side out of you, to be a complete competitor. I
don't know nobody who isn't a competitor that don't show
that fire of that passion, you know what I mean.

(11:41):
That's just the beauty of the game. Absolutely. Um, do
you think there's something that I can do other players
can do? But do you think that there is something
to where these leagues can be used? Um, shy Ley
Drew League. I think Baltimore has a league, Seattle Jamal's League.

(12:07):
They just restarted the Moneyball League back in Michigan. What
can be done with the NBA and partnering with these leagues.
Because you get Seattle, you get Jamal, you get de
jont Jordan Pool went up there and play once, Tony
Roden who was an NBA player, You get Zach Lavine,
Paolo and now you get you get all of these

(12:28):
pros to Miami rug you get all these pros. What
can the NBA do with these leagues that can help
these communities that they're man because all of these communities like, yeah,
Seattle is nice, but Seattle got uh the slums too.
It's nice city. We all know, l A got slums,
Miami's nice, they got slums, Baltimore cool city slums. What

(12:50):
can the NBA do with these leagues and helping reach
these communities, Because I think there's something could be done,
but I don't know exactly what that thing. I think
even before you even include the NBA, I think it's
on us. Just like last week, it was just a
text message from I got from bron about playing in
the Drulie, and look what we did in a matter

(13:11):
of a couple of days. You know, it's it's it's nothing.
But even I think even that night, I think I've
seen Trey Young put something up on the story saying,
you know, to to Hooper's just going out there playing
for the love of the game and bringing out, you know,
the fans. That's all it takes, you know what I mean.
It's just one call, one text message of the way
to be able to start this, you know code following

(13:34):
that we had thinking about when the NBA didn't setting
it up during the lockout, that was all on us,
you know what I mean. That was just players coming
together saying, hey, let's do this this weekend. Hey let's
do this. And I think the more we do that
and the more attention we put towards that, again, there's
so much that could be done in those communities, bro.
Because I'm I get home that day after playing in

(13:56):
Julie and I'm like, this is on ESPN, NBA TV,
popping up on my app on ESPN, on the phone,
it was even on the NBA app. It's crazy, you
know what I mean. Just I had people texting me
at the game about the game, and I'm sitting there like,
but how are you in this gym somewhere like, how

(14:16):
are you talking about I didn't realize it was on
the NBA app until I left I started seeing like
screenshots and stuff and then Stelli who you know, It's like, bro,
this is on the NBA app. This is crazy the
NBA app. Bro, Like it's amazing. So think about the
power we have to be able to help these communities.

(14:38):
So it's on us. It's it's just helping out one another.
Even even if we set up here and saying, all right,
let's get five guys from l A to play against
five guys from Seattle, you know what I mean, Like
just making an annual thing. You know, once a year.
Ain't gonna be something every week. You just do something
once once the summer, you know what I mean. We
go to Seattle, play against Jamal and x amount of

(15:01):
people and bring out somebody a special, a special other
player that's from somewhere else, you know what I mean,
and and compete like it's all on us, you know.
And then you know how things work. When you start
to do like that, other opportunities and bigger opportunities come
that want to be a part of that to be
able to help. So I think you just start with us.
That's a beautiful thing. By the way, Adam, I hope

(15:21):
you're listening to this, I think the NBA has found
a way. And I gotta give Adam a lot of
credit and what he's done since he's taken over as
commissioner to dominate every month of the year except August.

(15:41):
There's your there's your August, Adam. Get some guys. Guys
can play these games in these cities. It's charity, it's
for these communities. It's giving back. It's what the NBA
stands for. That's what the NBA is all about. There's
your August, Adam. That's how we take over all. That's
an amazing pitch right there, for sure. But I think,

(16:04):
I think, I think that will be great. But I'm
watching this game and people are hitting me, like, yo,
are they gonna lose. I'm like, it's no chance they're
losing this game. At any point of during that game,
did you feel like that at all? At all? Not
at all. I didn't think so. And you know what,

(16:26):
when they hit me, I said, it's no chance because
my team, please has this saying. He always say a
pro is a pro and a joe is a joe
at the end of the day, no disrespecting nobody, but
the pro is a pro. For a reason. So I'm
watching the game and they're like, Yo, they're gonna win
and gonna win. I said, now, I'm gonna tell you
how this is gonna go. They're gonna shut their water off,

(16:50):
They're not gonna be able to get a stop down
the stretch, and them boys gonna fold down the stretch
because that pressure gonna grow. And sure enough, y'all a
stretched where y'alls put like ten eleven stops in the
road together. You saw the intensity to pick up. What
it reminded me of was like an All Star game,

(17:10):
where like the first half guys going through it and
then the third quarter it picks up in the fourth
quarter of intensity through the route. And that's what it
reminded me of. But so y'all pick up the intensity.
You and Brian take over on the offensive end. But
I'm gonna tell you one sign when I knew, like, yeah,
they ain't ready for the moment. The big white kid

(17:33):
not show what his name was, Um he had he
played great game, busting y'all did not miss the free
throw the whole game. He missed six straight free throws
in the fourth quarter. I'm like, ah, this pressure getting
to these boys. Now, and I don't think people understand, like,

(17:59):
there's pressure on you going into that game, there's pressure
on bron going into that game. I don't think people
understand that, not at all. They don't. They don't understand
the magnitude of that, you know what I mean. Think
about it. If we lost, we gotta live with that
in here, that whole narrative, you know what I mean.
And you know the amount of games I've been in

(18:21):
obviously stuff with him, it's like, you know, the moment
we understand the time on the clock, you know how
it going a game where you know, a four minutes
come on? Yeah, we know. It's kind of like the
two minute ruling football. Tom Brady know exactly what he's
gonna you know what I mean. So it came down
to that moment, and at the same time, I'm glad
it went that way because it made it more exciting
for the people, you know what I mean, Like that's

(18:43):
what what was dope? Yeah, we could have went out
there and one by forty, but it's just gonna turn
into you know, people just trying to dunk throw lives.
Whatever it was. I loved that it turned out that way.
It was it was. It was very theatrical, and you know,
an action movie ain't good if it ain't got no
Olans in it. So hey, that's just what it is
that far. Yeah, I like that now and moving forward,

(19:06):
I wanted to speak about that at length. It's like
I said, I thought, I thought that was such a
huge moment for basketball. I thought that was a huge
moment for the city. I thought that was a huge
moment for the culture. And I appreciated that. And I
want people to understand that wasn't there, what that was,

(19:29):
what it looked like, and hear it from you, because
I can say all I want, I didn't play you
know what I'm saying, So to hear that from you,
I want people to understand. And and I also want
to say thank you, um because what it what it
to both of you, all you and Bronze. What it
did for me was it woke up something in me

(19:52):
and like that thing has not been awakening me in years.
So I appreciate that because that is a part of
the game that I think we all start to get
older and we're like, I'm not playing it no more
Summer League, I'm not playing it no more pick up.
I'm not like I'm gonna just work out and get
my body ready and rest. And it woke up something

(20:14):
in me that I needed. And think about you saying that,
and how many other our colleagues where he felt the
same way, you know what I mean, Like it was
no way in hell I would have missed that game,
you know what I mean, just for the motivation to
get Like, come on, man, we none of us too
good to not be able to go who you know
what I mean. It's like, this is what we do

(20:35):
think about it. Man. I remember going playing outside when
it was it was pouring down raining with nobody out there,
you know what I mean, just to play basketball. And
it's like, as long as we got this opportunity to
be able to play, we should just have fun and
get back to that element of enjoying the game, you
know what I mean. I think he got so caught
up in it being such a business aspect of something,

(20:57):
and it's like, Yo, it was a time where we
played this thing every single day with no complaint and
didn't get a dollar from it, you know what I mean.
We didn't have a highlight to go back and watch
from it, you know what I mean. But we did
it every single day. So that was what was the
cool part of just you know, showing that Brian and
his twenty of year still coming out here playing like

(21:17):
he's sixteen, you know, not worried about a misshot or
somebody picking him up or getting cross over the same
with me, you know what I mean. It's like, that's
the beauty of it. Even the guys we played against,
you don't think they went home total a girlfriend or
did whatever, and and it felt great about themselves being
able to compete against two great players. That's what it's

(21:38):
all about. Man, no doubt. So you headed into your
four team, which is absolutely the same. Congratulations, that's an
incredible compliment. Bank after your after your twelve, A lot
of doubt, a lot of oh man, he don't shoot
the three, the mid range is is a losing shot,

(22:02):
blah blah blah. Now and saying that everybody said the
mid range was are losing shot. And then that's the
only shot you shot you see taking in the playoffs,
but they say all regular season and is losing shot.
But a lot of doubt, um, which I don't understand
for someone that's accomplished so much, that's proven so much
over and over and over again, but you faced a

(22:24):
ton of doubt. Um, free agency to me didn't go
for you how I think it should have went. Um,
the interests around the league for a superstar on the market,
it wasn't what it should have been. I feel like
you you channel that and you and you go into

(22:45):
Chicago your first year, second team All NBA All Star Again,
what what was what was last year like for you?
Re establishing the mar de rosen See this is this
is a dope thing that you know, people out there
don't know. We We've had these conversations. We know it's
been plenty of times you you called me throughout this season,
was like hell, yeah, fuck you. You know what I mean.

(23:07):
It was never surprising to you. Um. So it's this
obviously my first time speaking up on the topic, which
is I think it's would be very insightful. I think,
you know, for me, my three years in San Antonio
was such a you know, it was it was such
a question mark for me of trying to figure out
the next phase of myself, you know, being in the

(23:30):
place for so long, obviously Toronto and feeling like, you know,
the franchise all of a sudden you get knocked down
back to humble beginnings and have to figure yourself out
as a player. You know, doubt, doubt come in, Questions
come in, especially when all you see is a certain
type of narrative that followed you can't do this, this, this, this, this,

(23:51):
this on down the line, you know, and it and
it it takes a toll on you. You know, because
you know me, I'm not the most out spoken person
to go back and forth on debating myself with somebody else.
So it put me in the mindset of, you know,
how can I figure this thing out within me and
change the narrative in time? You know, it used to

(24:14):
be moments where overnight I wish I could do something
right now to change this whole night narrative. But I
told myself my whole time in San Antonio, whenever I
get my next opportunity, I'm gonna make it makes sense.
While I was in this position for three years being
in San Antonio, and that summer come up going into
free agency, like you said, it didn't go as playing.

(24:37):
You know, it was that kind of brought so much
doubt in for me and put me in a dark
place because I started the question like you know, all right,
where where am I going? Now? What player am I
going to be? You know what I mean? Like, so
many of these questions started to creep in, and you
know a lot of people don't didn't realize, you know,

(24:58):
I know big names always kind of signed in the
first day or two. You know, I think I would
A couple of days into free agency was still such
a question mark. You know, I was I gonna go
somewhere for the one year deal? Was this? Was I
gonna take the minimum? This? This and the narrative of
it was was such a It put me in a place, honestly,

(25:21):
like and I remember through that whole time. It was
three four days in a row. I didn't leave out
the room. I didn't see the sunset. I didn't see
the sun come up set in the room. And just
being like it put I was. I was depressed. It
put me in a depressed mindset because I didn't know
what the funk was gonna happen. You know, was I
gonna come to l a that that fell through, that

(25:41):
that didn't happen? Was this was this? You see You've
seeing guys signed other places. Everybody hitting me, like, man,
what you're gonna do what you're gonna do. And it
was certain moments where I had no clue what I
was gonna do, you know. And um, when the Chicago
thing came around and I made that happen, it was
such a relief at the same time, and it angered

(26:02):
me and put me in a in a in a
very frustrating mentor of like fund this, I'm about to
I'm about to I'm about to demolish anything you gotta
say about me. I'm not gonna say nothing. I'm just
work my ass off and I'm approved, not just for myself,
for anybody who feels like they get counted out, they

(26:22):
get doubted or get told that they can't do something.
My whole career is kind of being based off that.
But I never let it, you know, bring me completely down.
It knocked me down, but I got back up. And
for me that moment of going to Chicago, I just
told myself, this is a new opportunity. I'm gonna make
the most out of it, and every every type of

(26:43):
every way, you know, And I remember ship every time
I did something, You'll call me every time it's like
keep going, keep going, you know what I mean? It
was it was those conversations of like, you know, my
peers see it and they understand in it, you know
what I mean going I remember when I signed with
Chicago is the worst free agent signing. It was like

(27:06):
that's what you feel, like, that's what you feel about me.
So it was like it was it was it was
a vengeance out not just for myself, but just for
anybody that get put in that situation because it's so
easy to fall victim to the bullshit that they put
on you. Absolutely that that that is so false. You know,
you can lose confidence, you can you can doubt yourself,

(27:26):
you can feel like maybe they're right when it's like, no,
I don't care how much older I'm getting. It's all
about how much you put in, how much you love,
and how much you're willing to sacrifice to keep getting better.
And that was my whole approach my mentality going into
last season. Such a beautiful thing to watch and you
you spoken a couple of things, uh depression, your mental

(27:48):
that I want to get into. But it's very interesting
to me because, like you said, I feel like I've
lived this with you all years, from from last year
free agency and talking to you every day like, Yo,
you're good. Yo, what about this? What about that? To
then the conversation turning like yo, come to the Warriors,
and you're like, fuck, no, I'm not coming there. I'm

(28:11):
not coming to play with like bro, but you come
to the Warriors. We can win the championship if you
come to the Warriors. He didn't come. We still want
the championship, but he didn't come. However, I had to
throw that one out there. Um, like you said. The

(28:32):
thing that really pissed me off most and aside from
our relationship, that made me call every day every time
you did something was like and you just hit on it,
are you gonna take a minimum? People were like are
you going to take a minimum? I mean even when

(28:54):
I called talking about you should come to the Warriors,
and I was talking about no minimum. A minimum that's
baffling to me for someone who's still athletic, still score
the basketball, don't get in no trouble, true professional, in
a bucket a minimum. The disrespect for me just didn't

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sit well. And the disrespect was coming from people who
never done it, ain't gonna do it, can't do it,
won't do it, and and most importantly don't know it.
I'm so sick of people that don't know basketball that

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pick up a stat sheet and look at the stat
sheet and say, oh, man, right. They don't look at
the stat sheet for you and say, oh, he had
twenty seven points, but he didn't shoot no threes. He's
a bad player. That's what was spirited for me, like, oh, no,
you gotta destroy everybody until then, watch you come out

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and do that. To watch you spend more than half
of the season top three in m v P race,
that's a different thing. And and to get the Bulls
back to the playoffs regardless of the injury. See, the

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thing that made your season so great to me was
Zach was in and out of the line up due
to injury. Boots was in or COVID stuff. Everybody dealt
with that. Boots was in and out of the lineup, injury,
COVID stuff. Caruso missed a bunch of the season, Alonzo
missed majority of the season, and the one constant were you,

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And I thought that that was very special. I thought
you looked like the Mark de Rosen again. And what
most people don't know that's coming off the hills of
your father passed away. It's a different thing to deal with.

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How could you channel that right? And especially with the
l A thing right, like you if you get to
stay home in l A moms is here everything just
a little better. That seems like it's gonna happen, and
it don't another thing? Right? How do How were you
able to channel all of that into being in the

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Mark de rosen Man, You know I'd be lying to
you to tell you that and have days where you
know it just got extremely heavy. You know you kind
of just shut down and take a moment to yourself
to kind of regroup. But I always just told myself
my my favorite saying to myself was always make something
bad that happened makes sense down the line, whatever that

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may be. That's all all I used to tell myself,
let me make this this negative makes sense down the line.
And I always told myself whenever body got down, whenever
I felt a certain type of way, So everything I
rather if it was being a trying to be a
better son, to be a better father, be a better friend,
be a better basketball player, it was always trying to

(32:17):
find different elements of just trying to be better to
make sense of the negative that I'm going through. You know,
and um, I just stuck to it. Bro I ain't
gonna lie. I just stuck to it. I had days
here and there, but I just stuck to it. And
every time I got that opportunity, and I trust everything
I put, I put into it, and I and I

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knew nobody suffered like I did. You know what I mean,
because when I never screamed out, I never lashed out,
you know, I never wanted nobody to feel sorry for me.
I never throw a pity party nothing, you know what
I mean. Nothing. So it was always me telling myself,
no one suffered like I suffered, so everything else is

(32:59):
gonna be easy in That's just how I took the approach,
you know what I mean. That's and that goes for
anybody that feels like they're going through something. You're not alone,
but it's always a way you can channel that that emotion,
that that that negative feeling that you may carry into
something positive as long as you make it make sense,

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you know what I mean. That's that was just my
mentor that was just my approaching. To this day, I
still take the same approach. It's beautiful and it's inspiring.
Your father passed away and you continue on, and I think,
you know, we've all seen death around us. I've seen
death around me as long as I can remember. And

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to me, I always say, people hit you up for
a week, you know, people around for a week or
two like how are you doing? Then they just go away,
as if the problem don't go away. How are you
like that that don't go away? You don't get another father,
how are you like how are you dealing with that?

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Because you're still dealing with that, that don't change. I
think I think when I lost my dad, it opened
me up the except being, you know, in a sense, vulnerable, vulnerable, accepting,
accepting life in a different, you know light, because you know,

(34:23):
you start to realize, you know, not the same everybody
saying nothing is promise, but you get a different sense
of it, you know, when something of that magnitude hit you,
you know, and you know, my dad told me everything.
My dad was, you know everything. He was the only
man I feared, you know what I mean. That's that's deep.

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He was the only man I feared. And when I
say fear, it was never nothing in a negative light,
but it was always I don't want to let you down,
you know what I mean? Like, damn, I don't want
to let my dad down. Are damn I I don't
want him to you know, no, I did this. I
don't want I don't I don't want him to be
mad at me. I want this. I want this. So
it pushed me to a level of, you know, always

(35:08):
consistently being focused as much as I can so I
can make my dad proud, you know what I mean,
just because you know, he looked at me in a
certain light as being his you know, his youngest son,
you know, and I always wanted to honor that as
much as I could. So losing him it kind of,
you know, gave me a different sense of empathy um

(35:33):
towards life and start the value and look at things
with more of a acceptance of understanding that you know,
this thing is short, you know. And and you don't
give your all or put your all into being a
good friend, a good person, whatever it may be, what
you're doing it for, you know. And and that's one

(35:53):
thing that he helped me with now. And and let
me know, when you go through something, it's okay. It's
okay to go through something or have a bad stretch
of something, or or be be in a stuck place,
because that's not gonna last forever. What's gonna last forever, Well,
for the lifetime, it's me not being able to see
my father, you know what I mean. So a bad

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week ain't gonna last, a bad month ain't gonna last.
It's just as long as you're working on yourself and
you're trying to better yourself. In those moments, it's okay
to not be okay, to be okay. But you know
what I mean. Now, that's one thing that opened me
up and helped me kinda thrive to be a better
you know, individual for real, no doubt. You just said

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something that I and I responded. I said, that's deep,
and I want to touch on that that's the only
man that I feared and that his that his home
with me for a very specific reason. Number one, my
grandfather when he passed away, Like that's who I that.

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That was the man that I feared, and it's I
never found that again in my life, right, And so
I felt like, because I never found that again in
my life, there's some issues that arose in my life
that could have been prevented and would have been prevented

(37:21):
had I had that man still in my life that
I feared my mom to this day, I still feel
my mom like I sometimes get nervous when she called,
like when she would call when I was younger, and
I'll be like, oh man, I'm in trouble. I still
sometimes get that feeling like, oh man, she's about to
get at me. There are things that I may would

(37:44):
have done in this life right now currently today, like
my daily life, that I don't do because I know
how upset she would be. She would never let me
live it down. She disowned me as a son. And
it's not that I would do something that then that

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I won't do now because I'm afraid of her, but
also from the standpoint of letting her down. And and
it keeps that sense of what's acceptable and what's not
because we in this world we live in, some things
that are accepted accepted aren't really acceptable. And my mom
don't play that and and it it holds me in

(38:27):
a certain area. How like, how can you find that again?
Because I think for me, it took me a long
time to find it and I never found it again, like,
oh I'm afraid of this man. You just find I
found different people that I could trust that will hold
me accountable in certain areas, my wife being one of

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them that has helped elevate me. How have you found
yourself adjusting that? Like, bro, exactly what you said. When
I lost my dad, I lost myself for a while.
That's crazy you said that because I haven't had a
conversation with somebody who put it in the same terms
that you just put it in. You hit it on

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the head because when I lost my dad, I lost
myself for a long time. Like you know, I put
myself in a in a in a lot of ship
where if he was here, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I
never want to put myself in you know what I mean.
And you know, we we've had conversations to where you
had to tell me something from a brother, from a

(39:32):
brother's standpoint that I sat there and listen. I've never
been in that situation, you know what I mean. I've
never had to deal with another person or me being
acceptance of another man telling me about myself. And we
we had conversations where we had brother brother conversation. I
heard you out, you know what I mean, losing my dad.

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That's kind of what going back to what I was
saying before, it. That's what kind of open you up
to be able to be accepting of a real friend.
You know what I mean, be accepting of of someone
who close to you, allowing them to help you. You
know what I mean, because I always felt like I
didn't need help because this, this is the only person
I I need to hear something from. My dad came

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the other man tell me nothing. It's my dad many
you know what I mean, from from top to bottom,
so nobody else could tell me nothing. So when I
lost them, you know you you you, you began to
be in search of those elements that can help replace
which you feel like you lost. You know what I mean.
That started and I think that's why our bond is

(40:39):
so close how it is, because we was able to
do that. That's something I probably never even told you,
but now you know. You know what I mean. It
just be dope ship like that. So where's it really
becomes a blessing? When you lose somebody something else replace
it in whatever way you may need it, you know
what I mean. But you hit it on the head, bro.
When you lose something that stop that stops so much

(41:02):
other stuff from happening because you care about that one
person thought or what they may say to you. You know,
I lost that and I lost myself for a long
time after that, for a long time. So um, at
the same time, you know, that's the beauty of life.
You know, you you constantly growing. You know, nobody was
never nobody ever hit The selling is a forever thing

(41:26):
that you have to figure out, you know what I mean.
Nobody got the complete answer. So yeah, that's crazy you
said that. Bro, that's that's a beautiful thing. And I
think it's a good segue. You've been very outspoken about
mental health for years. Um, before, for lack of a
better term, before it was cool to speak on mental

(41:48):
health like it's cool now, not that it's a cool thing,
it's cool, it's accepted. Um. You spoke out about it
when it wasn't accepted, when it was like, oh man, yeah,
you're just using that, uh you know to get by
or you know that's an excuse or this that another. Um.

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How has your journey been with your mental health and
going through the things you spoke about, and specifically you
spoke about being depressed and already having mental health struggles.
Did that help you with the current thing that sent
you into that depression for sure, because before you accept

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and understand what depression really is, you you hide from
it and you're kind of worse than yourself unnoyingly, you know,
and you you you find certain ways you know you
can't understand, like why I'm so mad, why I'm so frustrated,
why I'm taking this while I'm lashing out on this,
while I'm taking something that happened out happened yesterday out

(42:58):
on this person that have nothing to do with yes
to day's issue. You know what I mean? Before I
was that person to where I used to push everybody away,
I didn't want to talk. But once you identify it,
you start to understand why you're feeling that way. You
will catch onto it and you kind of write down
your thoughts and your feelings. Or while you're feeling like
that or we're triggered it, um get a better understanding

(43:20):
on that so you don't worsen the feeling, you know
what I mean. Or you may just call up somebody
you're close to and have a conversation about it and
get it off your chest. Now you would go on
about your day and not feel so down as you
usually be, you know, So for me, It just helped
me identify and find inspiration to other people's story as well.

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When you look at somebody that could be going through
something that way worse then what I just thought my
problem was, you know what I mean. And it's like
I'm tripping on having a flat tire when this person,
you know, just lost somebody close to UM to a
sickness or something, you know what I mean. So you

(44:04):
kind of balancing out, and it's all about understanding, under
understanding the feeling, understanding yourself, and understanding what triggers what
triggers you, you know, And I didn't have nothing that
understanding before, where you just hide and run from your
problems and you just stacking, You just stacked, calling them
annoyingly until you just lash out and explode. How did

(44:25):
you get to the point to where you were able
to identify depression, to where you were able to UM
identify mental health struggles? Did you see someone? Was it
something you study? How did you get to that point? Um?
I think I just I end up crashing. I just
end up crashing, like I just hit a wall. And
when I hit that wall, I think I was just

(44:45):
so down and out and I just wanted to understand
where this feeling coming from. You know, you start the
backtrack and understand you know why I find, you know,
comfort and darkness sometimes. And this, this is one thing
I learned learned the therapy. We was talking about my

(45:07):
dad one one moment and um, I gotta I got
a tattoo. I got a tattoo on me from from Batman.
What Ban said basically, you know I was born in darkness.
You know that quote, right, And it was something I
found out about me being having such a comfort what

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darkness was. When I was young, my dad always used
to lock me in the closet and I used to
kick the door like screaming, panicking everything to one day
he threw me in the closet was dark and I
didn't kick, I didn't knock on the door, I didn't
tell him let me out anything, to where in that

(45:49):
moment he never put me in the closet again, because
in that moment, I realized darkness ain't nothing to me.
So it became such a comfort to where it becomes
such a systematic I forgot what they called it, uh
systematic disssitation of a feeling, and it's systematic, the system

(46:13):
what was it I gotta, I gotta find a word.
It's systematic dissisitation. Basically, when you put yourself through something
so much to where it don't even affect you anymore.
And him putting me in a dark closet so many
times it was nothing to me, So I became so
comfortable comfortable with darkness that I I I put that

(46:35):
with chaos to where I'm carrying chaos like it's nothing.
But that's not good for your mind as a kid
growing up, you know what I mean, thinking about where
we come from. You see so much violence, so much,
it becomes such a norm. When this ship ain't normal,
This ship shouldn't be normal, you know what I mean.
We wouldn't we wouldn't let our kids watch a certain

(46:56):
movie because it's have a certain amount of you know
what I mean. When you live through that, it becomes
such a norm that that isn't right. So when I
finally crashed and hit the wall, you know, you backtrack
on all these things that you thought was nothing, that
you carried into your adulthood. Think about it. We come

(47:16):
from nothing. All of a sudden, you're giving this money.
Now we have a lot of money. Now we don't
know what to do with the money. Now we gotta
now we think now it's everybody got a hand out. Now,
everybody get mad when you want to give him something. Everybody,
everybody you inherit everyone problems before you even deal or
understand what your own problems is or that you've been carrying.

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So for me, it was one of those things that
I crashed and burned and I kind of just took
a a layout on everything that I've been through. Then
I just got to a point where like why should
I feel away expressing myself knowing I went through all
this ship before I even got here, I would never
feel less of a man. I made it out of Compton, California.

(47:57):
Like why nobody could make me feel soft or anything?
And I was just that moment where where it hit
me to where I gotta say something because I'm carrying
so much on my emotions on my shoulders that I
know so many other people carry thinking about how many
people we know high behind the money, the glamour, the

(48:18):
false persona of this whole ship and don't even know
themselves until it's too late. And for me, I never
wanted to be that person. I always told myself when
I retired. I don't want to be that old, grumpy
ex basketball player with a lot of money. I always
told myself that I don't want to be that old
motherfucker that just sits up mad at everybody but got
a bunch of money because I didn't figure out or

(48:41):
indulge in and be vulnerable and understand myself to help
other people. I always told myself that once I came
up with being being oppressed, was I just want to
when I retire, I want to be happy, like I
just want to sit back and be happy and enjoy
everything that I went through and start a new chapter
of my life and and and and joy that next journey,

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you know. And that's just my perception of of you know,
me coming out of being depressed. You're currently working on
a project around mental health. Can you share what that
project is, why you wanted to do it, and what
you hope to get out of it. Yeah, came up

(49:22):
with a project and basically having one on one conversations
such as this, but more with an intimate said um
more so, you know, imagine if the cameras wasn't here,
nobody was here, just a blunt, in depth conversation that
we may have think about thinking about the conversations we
had on the phone, if those are recorded, how how

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that could inspire or help someone else that's going through
something similar, you know what I mean. And it's basically
one of those you know, blunt conversation that you would
have when nobody else around, but you know, and and
and being open and obviously you know our relationship and
the conversations that the phone conversation we had putting that

(50:02):
you know, on Front Street to be able to show
our vulnerability and the things that we go through and
show how imperfect we are. But at the same time,
we're striving to be better every single day. And that's
what it's about because people look at us in such
a light of superheroes, and sometimes we gotta break ourselves
down and show that we're the saying as you you know,

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and and that goes a long way. When you could
see us in that light and have conversation with you know,
you got a hell of a story and fun basketball
before he even got there, the story of the trials,
of ups and downs, of the things you've been through
that made you who you are, give a better understanding
of you know, when when I you know It tripped
me out when I watch you play and people look

(50:45):
at why dream acting like that it's something in him
with If he didn't have that, he wouldn't be where
he asked today. You see what I'm saying, And you
should be more intrigued and want to understand what's that
that brains that fire out of out of out of
him because maybe you have it too, but you just
don't know how to unlock it. Are you so ashamed
because you care what somebody else think? You don't want

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to unlock that passion that you have towards something, you
know what I mean? You limiting yourself like that's how
I look at people. And being able to have and
sit down over at dinner table and in in you know,
dissect one another. You know, goes a long way, you know,
because I know when I look think about when we

(51:27):
grew up, you you couldn't see interviews of your favorite players,
you know what I mean, the only time you've seen
them as on TV or if they speak after the
game or some but imagine we we've seen our favorite
players say yo, I went through this, not this this
how I got through it? You know, really break themselves
down to be vulnerable, you know what I mean. Like,

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I remember I used to I used to see like
certain players. I mean when I first heard Nick van
ex To talk, right, I just he sounds like that
because you're watched it for years, but you don't know
how you talk. I'm like, damn, he talked like that. Man,
He's not from l A, you know what I mean.
So I look at it from the standpoint of when
we break ourselves down and have real life conversation, bro,

(52:10):
that goes so far because they just see us hoop
every single day throughout the season, talk about basketball throughout
the season, where it's like, you know, we were human beings.
We all have a fucking incredible story that we could share,
and I just want to put that on the front street.
To be able to do that with some of my
favorite players that not even players, people that I find

(52:31):
inspiration from, you know, in in all angles. So that's
what the show is gonna be all about. And I
think it's gonna be dope, you know, especially with the
Obviously You're gonna be one, but you know the other
people that I have in mind sitting down talking with,
it's gonna be special. I'm excited to do it um.
Like I said number one, I just never take these
opportunities for granted, just to shit and chop it up, um,

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but also to like you said, to indulge in those conversations,
and more important league for people to see you, like
to see you in a light that they haven't seen
because like to them, you're super quiet what you are,
but when you have a relationship with somebody, you're not um.

(53:17):
And so it's almost like coming out of your shell.
And I think it's so on point, like you're going
into your fourteenth year but you're only thirty two years old,
and he's saying, ay, just me, I'm going into your eleven.
I did my bid. It's cool, but I felt like this,

(53:37):
you know, and and it's all I'm literally sitting here
talking to you right now, and it's all tying together
for me because I feel like this year has been
such a year of growth for you, and so I'm
sitting here looking at it now and it's time tying
together from me. It's like Pops free agency go crazy.

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And I I felt like and watching you this year
on the court, you were coming out of a shell,
like you stepped into I'm really one of them guys.
Now I'm really good in this league. That's a different thing.
Like you've been really good for a long time. You
stepped into this year like no, I'm one of them.

(54:21):
And I don't think people have been trying to put
you there. People have been trying to put you in
like this this subcategory of like good players. And we know,
like there's that category in the league of like guys
that's really good but not quite And I feel like
you you finally, like I know I'm gonna show y'all
that I am here and now you're coming with the project,

(54:42):
and like I feel like it's all time together for
you in the and and like you're coming out of
your shell. And I think it's a beautiful thing to see. Yeah, yeah,
it's dope. I mean, I'm just a firm believer in
just time into you know what I mean. Like I
know a lot of people say I don't do this,
I don't do this, but I'm just I just always
believe in just like the universe putting what's necessary in

(55:05):
front of you to accomplish something, you know what I mean.
I've never I've never been the one to force anything,
you know what I mean? The same way. If you
look at how I play, I treat my life the
same way. You ain't gonna force me do anything I
don't want to do. You know what I mean. I'm
gonna take my time. I'm gonna get to my spot.
I'm gonna make it happen when they need to happen,
how I need to happen. Uh facts Before we get
out of here, Um, I want to end us on

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a couple of basketball questions. I know that conversation got
a little heavy, hope everyone enjoyed it, but spoke on
you Zach. Congratulations. Is that incredible contract? Caruso voots Alonzo,

(55:51):
that's who I view as the core file and y'all
to be healthy and hold this year? What is that next? What?
What needs to happen outside of health for y'all to
take that next step now getting in the playoff, like
I think everybody thought y'all was really serious contender in

(56:12):
the Eastern Conference and then all the injuries and stuff
started happening. What needs to happen for y'all to take
that next step to get the Chicago Bulls franchise back
to where we know that franchise once was. I think
for us you know, um as a group, as a core,
you know, um, many of us wasn't together much. But

(56:34):
at the same time, the experience and you know, the
second half of the season, we gotta know what that
feel like going in and training camp. You know, we
we we kind of fell apart. We lost ourselves obviously
through health but regardless, you know it. You know, I
think I told when the young guys have to All

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Star break, I said, this is the moment when you
you see what teams are serious. Um And he didn't
know what I meant by that. And for us to
you know, hit the wall that we hit, you know,
show that, No, we wasn't ready for adversity. You know,
we had so much success so early to where you

(57:17):
can lose sight of how hard the ship really is
to really compete, you know, in a couple of guys,
you know, even Zack, you know, he messed the game
in the playoffs, but that was his first playoff run
and him not being healthy. I know that frustrated him.
UM So him having that extra fire in him understanding
how hard it was just to get to the playoffs. UM.

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Thank for us, it's just the understanding and knowing that
this ship is completely hard. Like that is hard, like
nothing is gonna come easy. This ship is a grind
every single day, and that that that mindset you gotta carry.
You can't be satisfied with a two game win, street,
five game, whatever it may be. Ship is a long

(58:01):
journey and it's hard, and we gotta treat it like
that every single day. Think about y'all. I look at
you all, and I that your team this year maybe
one of my favorite teams of in history simply because
which I was faced up against. Nobody. Everybody doubted y'all.
Clay came back for being out the amount of time

(58:22):
he was out, but every time y'all were out there
and play that ship was extremely hard. And for me
as a basketball like junkie, that's how I look at it.
Like these motherfucker's knew this ship was gonna be hard,
and they embraced it and accepted every single day. And
that's the beauty of this game, because everybody gets to

(58:43):
a point where, damn the ship hard. A game or
two they fold. Every single one of your game was
extremely hard and to that ship was over and a
lot of teams lose sight of that. You know, you
play fifty six games like this Ship hard and fucking
you know what I mean, you Series Tide three three,

(59:04):
This Ship hard man, fucking they got it, you know
what I mean. It's like, that's the beauty of this
game is those who accept it being hard and wanted
to be be tough because I want to I want
to prove to myself I could get over this ship.
And that's what it was. And I think y'all was
very indicative of that. And I think when you get

(59:24):
a group of guys to buy in that way, get
outcomes like that, no matter what what somebody say, y'all,
the favorites are not, you know what I mean, It's
just those teams that win it for sure, I think. Um,
I think honestly, that's why I have so much gratitude,
or half so much gratitude. Um, it's because it was

(59:49):
hard and like the things you just said, it wasn't
supposed to happen. And as hard as it was, you
could see teams get to that point and break. Yeah.
Like and although it was still very hard for us,

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and like I feel like I feel like this playoff run,
I went through everything I could possibly go through. I
went through great times. I went through awful times I
went through in the middle, but it was something different
about this one and the challenge that it was. Like,

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so if you put it in context, like the first
championship we won, after that regular season, I knew like, yeo,
we got the best team, but you didn't know how
to win a championship then, you know. So that's that one.
Two thousand and seventeen and two thousand and eighteen, it
was literally just a matter of getting to the day

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that we can win. Once we got to that date,
I knew we went. This year was different with all
the doubt, like you said, with Clay coming back, he
comes back, to day he come back, I go down,
the day I come back, Stepp go down. It's like,
this ain't supposed I started to think this ain't supposed

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to happen for us, you know, like, this ain't it's
not the year. I even told one of my homeboys,
like I'm gonna probably see you right after the first
round because I just don't see it happening. And so
it was. It was. It was a very special year,
and hard as it was, it made it the most
special because it was the hardest one we had to

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go through. Chicago. Every time I played there, I hear
that music and that starting line up, and it does
something to me. I feel like Michael Jordan about to
run out of the tunnel. Do y'all get that sense?
And playing there and getting that every single day? Or
is it not? Like yeah, no question that it trips

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me out even just driving there, Bro, Like parking outside,
I remember just seeing all of highlights Jordan's back in
the day parking outside, you know. Like so for me,
every time I go there, Bro, I feel it like
I'm not even gonna lie like you just you just
feel like you gotta you gotta bring it every single night,

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especially for those fans. Man, And it's it's crazy. I
was telling somebody. I think I was telling my Um.
I forgot who was telling my partners this The other day,
I said, UM, the moment where I really realized, like,
you gotta bring it every single night in that arena.
I've never spoken this like on nothing media. And then

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I think it was four or five games into the season. Um,
We're playing the Knicks and I took the game winner
air balled and I just felt like I just felt
the whole vibe of everything, like what the fuck, Like
what what was that? Like? You know what I mean?

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Like I felt like I felt like I disrespected the
area of what what these fans is used to seeing
from obviously m j Hen game winners, and you know,
you live for those moments and being that moment for
the first time my fourth fifth season in the game
and I take that shot, it was like I told
myself I would never be in that situation again to

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let that same feeling happened for these fans. I swear
to god, bro, I never told that. It was that
game to where it was like every shot I've taken
a clutch, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make it
count every single time. So you look back at all
the moments that I had and that arena, it was
more so like, Yo, this is the ghost of like
I'm trying to inherit, the ghost of Michael shooting his

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fate away with the clock running down like that. I
carried that to heart after that moment because you felt
it from the fans. You felt it on social media
when it was like yeah, you're taking that, you know
what I mean? You just it was like nah, like nah.
So That's how I carried it every time I'm walking there.
You see you know, you see Scotti, Michael, you see

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Bob Love, you see you see these jerseys up there,
and it's like and you hear his music when you
come out. It's the same. You know what I mean,
it's the same thing. You got to live up to it.
You got to, you got to. So there you have it.
You were wondering where those game winners still from my man?
By the way, don't get so cocky and give us
the one lad game winner again. Man, put that back

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in your bag. Man. But in speaking of game winners,
and I think this is a great way for us
to end. I'm in this with a trivia question actually
on clutch shot making. I'm gonna give you the first one.
You have the most clutch shots made since two thousand
twelve with sixty four. Who are the next four since

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two thousand and twelve? So that's my rookie year, Yeah, Steph,
actually number two with sixty two. By the way, how
many I got sixty four, Steph? For those of you
that don't know, By the way, clutch shots is in

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the last five minutes of a game. I've I've seen it, Steph,
Steph Dame Dame has sixty one. How many of you
said it is? There's there's four more after you just
the next four. There's two more. Give you a hint.

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They play on the same team, Katie carry and wait,
hold on, Hulda hunt on. Oh it gotta be Brian
and Rust. Russ got sixty one as well. Brian got
fifty five. Yeah, I think this is a very interesting
thing because two of these guys on this list, one

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sitting right here and Rust. The disrespect is unbelievable. And
all you gotta do you can check stats like this,
like this is a real stat, like guys hitting in
the fourth quarter. Guys don't do that. Then you can
check the tape to which most of area. That's another

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topic everybody can't check to take We know that, but
this is a very interesting stat for y'all learn, like,
stop chasing these disrespectful hits. Man. You got real people,
real hoopers, real legends, real Hall of famers doing this.
Appreciate it because it don't last. Don't last, and it's

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not an accident. It's not it's not a coincidence, and
it's not an accident. This man wake up every day
four o'clock and the more working out. I ain't doing that.
I'm gonna workout that now. But I honestly and I
want to say thank you for coming on, Bro. It
is an honor and a pleasure to sit here and

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talk with you because I, like I said, I know
not many people can say they get a conversation like
this from you, and I don't take that for granted.
To everybody out there listening, I hope you enjoyed it.
We thank you, brother, from the bottom of my heart.
Jackson producer. We've been at this thing for almost a
year and it's been great, and it's been great because

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of guys like yourself coming on and and opening up
and and and sharing your story beca ultimately that's what
the fans want to hear. So thank you, Bro Man,
Thank you Bro. Absolutely that's a rot. Peace would have

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a privy. Levi B.