February 18, 2025 • 40 mins
It’s another edition of the Sloane Knows! Podcast, and Sloane chops it up with ESPN college basketball & NBA analyst Jay Williams. The Duke Basketball alum and second-overall pick in the 2002 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls discusses playing for Mike Krzyzewski, the freshman sensation Cooper Flagg, and much more. #Volume #Draymond
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm slum and I know basketball. Today's guest is
none other than Duke Legend. Depends on how you know him,
Jason or Jay Williams. His journey from winning a national
championship in college to being drafted second in an MBA
draft and watching his jersey get hung up in the
rafters at Cameron Indoor Stadium is a story you won't
(00:21):
want to miss, all right, Jay, So I'm seventeen, right,
and I want to go all the way back to
when you were seventeen, which I know was I know,
unfortunately was a really really long time ago.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I don't know if you're still First off, it
wasn't that really really long ago.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Let's say I'm not like in my sixties here.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
True, but it was BC, which is or BL before Lebron, before.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Labron, before Christ Did you go BC?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Every gonna say BC, But you know what, I ca'd
do BL before Lebron. That's the thing now, Oh it's
my thing, BL before Lebron. I mean, jesus, we got it. Okay,
So back then, when you were seventeen, so many years ago,
in high school, you played volleyball, soccer, and chess in
addition to basketball, I think so many high school kids,
you know, have to make this big decision what sport
are you going to play? How did you decide that
(01:05):
you wanted to focus on basketball?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I think it didn't really happen unto my junior year,
which is kind of like shocking because I played everything.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But also I see kids that specialize.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In like one individual sport, and I think how much
that sucks? Ye, right, because I think the amount of
pressure that you're putting yourself, Like, you know, I'm less
than point zero zero zero one percent of the world
that became a pro get alone a top ten pick,
which is point zero one of that point zero zero
zero one, Right, So like playing soccer really helped me
with my like my feet like coordination, right, Like playing
bolly ball helped me learn how to jump the right way?
(01:36):
Can I strategy and thinking ahead all the time, which
is a point guard?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I always see things ahead? Yeah, you know, like I'm able.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I even think situations like being like we had dinner
last night, I'm like, okay, cool, Like player A is
going to sit here, player C is going to walk in.
I'm going to position the conversation this way. I want
to see how she reacts to it. If she reacts
to it this way, I could play this move. If
she reacts that way, I need to play that move.
So I'm constantly it's just spinning and that's chess.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah. I think you're the smartest person I've ever met.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't know about that. Your dad's pretty smart.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, okay, like Albert, I'm frien smart too, But yeah,
you got something going there. Okay, So what was your
favorite team growing up?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What sport?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Basketball?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I was a New Jersey Nets fan that transitioned to
the Brooklyn Nets fan. Unfortunately, Katie's you know, shoe being
sized sixteen was just a little bit too big for
us to reach.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Gloria, My question is, because you are a New Jersey kid,
were you upset by the transition to Brooklyn or you
have stuck with them?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, okay, can I just so I literally when Katie
tore his achilles, I was on the plane with him,
flying back from literally Toronto back to New York with
him and Rich Climban, and just remember that moment because.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Everybody's like, what are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And how they had diagnosed him, you know, how they
told him that really that couldn't really happen, and then
that did happen, So like I watched him at this
inflection point, so like just watching Katie then go with
Kyrie and then nim Land James Harden. You know, actually
I got a good investment in because before Katie actually committed,
I bought court side seats out of great price, and
I inflated that price and I was able to sell
out tickets.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But it was just.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Really cool to actually experience like all those guys and
like Brooklyn being the thing, like jay Z was at games,
Joe and Clara Cy We're at games and then we
just suck, do you?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I mean, I see a lot of team owners that
don't go to their team game.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Bomb does.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
That's Steve though.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You have to give him credit for that. He's always
there for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
All right, So in who's your favorite team?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
By the way, I'm Warriors.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You're Warriors. Have you ever did an interview with Steph Nobody?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Do you want to?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
We need to make that come on?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That was my That's my last question. Jay. Here's the
thing with you being so smart is is that I
was going to ask you later, like who do you
want to help me get on my podcast?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Anybody you want. I mean I think might be better
than that would or.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like a couple's like the two of them with me,
I know, right, I mean slow nos. I just have
these thoughts and this is what happens, all right. So
when you played in the McDonald's All American Game and
night ninety nine, four other Duke commits played in that game,
which is pretty special, sort of showing the longevity of
how Duke has always just dominated high school recruits pretty much.
I want to know what your highlight from that game was?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Probably, uh, well, first off, like Carlos Boozer, who is
a printed All Star with the Utah Jazz play with
Darren Williams. Uh, you know, he turned him more into
a power forward, but I do was shooting three from
half court with me. He was more of a guard
like t Mac coming out of Juno Alaska, Like how.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Many players come out of Oska? Seriously?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And then we have Mike Dunleyvy who's now the GM
with the Golden State Wars, which is the plug for can.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You please tell him a trade for zachal Line. I'm
just bored. We're so bad right now, Zach?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Is that the answer?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Though? I think I mean, I think he's more of
the answer than Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No, I definitely don't want Jimmy on Golden State.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
We make a move, I think it's Zach. Otherwise I'd
rather just keep our young core and just really pray
that Jonathan Kaminga decides.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So you're going to get back to Chicago for Zach,
I mean, I think you can do.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It without him. I think it's loone Pods and then
I think you go Moses Moody and I guess you maybe, oh,
buddy Heel, and then I guess you maybe. I don't
think we need that. I mean, Zach Line hasn't been
that has been an All Star for years, Like he
doesn't need five players.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I just wonder how Zach fits into like the continuity
in which they were because they don't. There's yeah, but
it's not like Wiggs even turns like a catch and
shoot catch turn driving player Zach like in his hands.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It just depends upon how you build a schematically around stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Let's get Mike on here too, and we'll all have
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
That's what I'm saying. So him and case Sanders, I
think the thing. I I was up in the dunk
contest after the first round, but I ran out of
dunks and I literally faked an injury. I said that
I hurt my wrists so I couldn't dunk.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Learning experience for kids is it?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, I mean you got to get out while you're ahead. Okay,
That's how I look at Like, It's like I'm competing
against giants.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Let's be honest. I'm six to two.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I'm like Muggsy Bows compared to like Carlos and Mike
and all these guys. So like, what really do I
have left?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, gotcha. So what I'm curious about is like when you're.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like, that's not a great lesson for kids.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I got to defend my children up here, Like for
your kids, you're used to be listening. I'm a kid.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, what I'm saying, if you're leading and then you
run out of stuff, it doesn't means that you don't try.
Just me, it's like, hey, look I'm tapped out. Yeah,
you gotta know thself.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah. My parents used to get mad at me because,
like in my math test, if I didn't know a question,
I would just start sobbing and having a panic attack.
And I feel like you're basically encouraging me to continue
to do that on test.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Wow, that translation is not what I was.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's what I'm saying, Jay.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm glad we're talking this through.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Like when I hear you're like an idol to me.
So when I hear you say, oh, I faked an injury,
I'm like, I could do that.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well. The injury was for a slam dunk contest.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
The injury wasn't for like a game or a math test,
or it wasn't something like trivial.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was like a random.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Slam mogged me. But you just mogged me. Look it
up later, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I know you work on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So high school stars today are celebrities. Let's be real there.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So just tell me what mog means real quick though.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh yeah, okay, Well I actually try to explain to
the other. So MOG is like when you just okay,
let me. So MOG is like, like, I'm it's when
you're better than someone else's something. So let's say you
said or I say, for instance, oh I met Buddy
healed yesterday. I took a picture of him, and you're like, oh,
I met Michael Jordan, you just mogged me.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You want it? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So now let's go back to my question. It's really
getting me off. That's twins always. Okay, So high school
stars are celebrities, they're social media stars. Someone then get
a little carried away. Let's take Mike Williams as an example.
We thought that we were going to see him in
the NBA. Now he's still in college at now his
second school, because he was basically had the platform of
(07:38):
an MBA star since he was fifteen. I want to
know what your thoughts are about that sort of new
role that social media plays in high school basketball kids' lives,
and also what you think your high school experience would
have been like if you had had that start of them.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
As the question, when you get done with your podcast
and then you post the podcast, what's the first thing
you look at to measure whether that particular post was
successful in like, yeah, right, Fame is one hell of
a drug.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Is addictive.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, And the problem is the more fame and attention
you get, the more that kind of starts to fill
in things within your ego. And I wonder for a
guy like Mikey or for anybody like how young people
deal with that, right, Like you gotta imagine like my
motorcycle accident, Like you know how many times that people
who disagree with what I say about basketball. So I
could be like, hey, look, Steph Curry is the greater
shooter of all time, but I think Steph Curry is
(08:26):
better at penn down screens, kind off pen down screens
instead of flair screens, something as trivial or tiny as that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Right, if people disagree to me, like you're stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know in basketball, you probably hit your head too
hard in that motorcycle accident. Or sometimes when I said, hey,
look for North Carolina, they're fragmented right now, they're not
playing together. I think they lack leadership. Well do you
know about leadership? You should have died in your moscycle accident.
People say that kind of vicious stuff. So I think
there's a mental toughness that it takes for young people
to learn that all these people that have opinions on
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their lives really don't know who the hell they are, right,
I think that takes a lot of people around you
to make sure that you are, you know, barriered from
that stupidity. But also if you're going to the metrics
of likes to determine whether your things are successful or not.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You're gonna look at that. So I think it's a
challenge for any young person.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, totally. You just have to ignore it, put it aside,
and just grind.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
None of those people are actually the ones that come
up to you, right, the people that say, oh, Jay,
you should have killed yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
In most when I see them, like Jay, I love you,
I'm like, oh cool. Yeah, so you just don't want
to say it to my face totally, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So Also, when you were in high school, I know
that one of your nicknames was Jadab yep, and you
know there's Jadab now on the Thunder. I'm curious, do
you think that he's done a good job carrying on
your nickname.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I think he's exceeded my nickname. I don't think I've
ever been recognized as Jadub. I think people now more
so call me j will true. And then there was
that whole thing, like you know, when I'm here, they
still call me Jason because my name is Jason. But
when I leave these confines they call me ja because
one guy like shot his chauffeur.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
The other guy had.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Like, you know, white boy tattooing his knuckles, even though
I think honestly he was the real Jason Williams Sacramento.
He was probably the realest.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
One there was. Yeah, suppressing, but it's honest.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I love your honesty. That's a good lesson to teach kids.
You're honest.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I'm glad we're tying that background.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Look at that. I always do. So you would offers
from Florida State, San Diego State. What about Duke made
you choose the Blue Devils?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Actually I had offers too, from like a Notre Dame
Yale in Georgetown, and.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're an academic, so that means something new.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
This this dude got me here, Like it's I played
for the greatest coach of all time. Now, whether you
want to debate that between him and John Wooden.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It's fine. I don't want a debate.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Okay, let me tell you what he did.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think it's really interesting when you mean an adult,
does an adult call you slum slum?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay? So when I came in to meet coach K,
I said, I sit in his room.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
My mom and my dad and my parents are sitting
in these two small chairs next to me, and I'm
sitting like in a fold up chair like this, and
Coach k sitting like in a grandfather chair and he goes, hey, David, Hey, Althia,
my parents first name is nice to meet you, and
he goes to like, mister Williams. Like so automatically he
started a dress. I'm sixteen, He's addressing me as an adult.
It was the first time I felt automatically accountable with
(11:05):
just somebody addressing me totally. And he was like, I'm
calling you by like your surname because that's how I
need you to act here.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Wow, I need you to act like an adult. I'm
going to treat you like an adult.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So I think just the way he made me think
about the game, the way he made me see the game,
and the way he spoke to me, honestly was different
than any other person who's spoken to me in my life.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
No, I hear that. And especially as a kid who
I try to put myself in mature adult rooms, it
really is true. Like when an adult treats you like
you are mature, it really means so much.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
What's the first thing you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Do when you go into a room full of adults
who are powerful introduce myself?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I just watch and it's from coach. I watch mannerisms.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I see who's outgoing, who's not outgoing, who's a
little bit more reclusive. I always go more towards a
person who feels a little bit more reclusive. So I
think people who actually take a quick survey instead of.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Just hey i'm here. Yeah, it's always interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, first scan and then yeah, I'm going to take
that advice. So when you committed to Duke in nineteen ninety,
so did Carlos Boozer, like you said, you played with
him the McDonald's All American Game. Did him coming here
have anything to do with you choosing the school? Were
you excited to team up with him?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I mean, how about this?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So my sophomore year, my junior year, when I leave
because I graduate school year early, I was a second pick.
Mike Dunlevy was a third pick. Carlos Boozer was like
in the mid thirties, but he turned out to be
a Preennial All Star.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Crazy. He was the second rounder.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Chris Douhan played fifteen years in the NBA. Dante Jones
played ten years in the NBA. We just had a
crazy squad, like we were loaded with talents.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So yeah, it's like I wasn't trying to come to
a program like I'm going to be as a savior.
Everybody follow me.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I came to Duke thinking I wasn't going to start.
I thought William Avery was going to be here. So
I was like, how do I my home Intalit was like,
how do I take this starting spot from him?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And then he left and then it's like I was
given the ball and the rest of his history.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
If your Duke squad mashed up against today twenty five, really.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Smack them, Cooper's not many points, is Coop Cooper is
not going to do anything agase Shane Batty.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Shane Batty was six eight two time National Defensive Player
of the Year Swiss Arma n I can defend that.
I mean he was Shane Batty won a World championship
with Lebron and d Wade from Miami and made critical
plays down the stretch. So like, I think this Duke
team is super special, but I.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Think we had we were older too, though, you know
what I mean, we were more mature. Cooper's a child
like Cooper special, I think as a freshman, right, But
I also think our team like we were sophomores and seniors,
different than having you know, four freshmen and malawatching. These
guys are great, but they're not experienced, which is in
a different We're in a different level.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Huh totally. And also I mean in college. Well, now
one and done is the goal. Like I've interviewed so
many guys who I've I've learned now that because at
the beginning I always thought, oh, like, if you're good,
you're gonna go one and done. But now I'm starting
to understand that sometimes that extra year is the make
or break and that's what leads you to being successful
in the which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, I mean I think so.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean this is a basketball pole, which I love.
Kind of you're ready to geek out in basketball? Okay,
I'm gonna put you on game on this. So why
would it be beneficial for somebody to leave school early
with the way the league is actually organized right now?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh gosh, this is I didn't think this is going
to be like school.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, it's not school is see, you gotta stop it
with school. This is adults having a real conversation about
sport that we both love.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, I think the money I mean, there's.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
What what about the money? Are the are the contracts
that huge?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They can be? But it's also okay, well it's different
now because of nil I guess, but if we call
this five years ago, it wasn't just the money, it
was also the endorsements. I think it's the facilities. Not
every kid is going to a school like Duke that
has NBA level facilities. A lot of people need coaches
and facilities and gyms and doctors that are NBA level.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think that's a really good answer. I also will
say it's because of a salary cap. So the salary
cap is like an internship. Yeah, so like the NBA
game is so much different than the college game, So
why wouldn't you want to get out as soon as
possible at a younger age to get to your next contract.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Essentially, you're going to learn. They're going to pay you
to learn for three years.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Until you get your bigger contract, right, which is typically
like then it's like the rookie max if you're able
to get that. But before the salary cap, kids were
actually incentivized because when we have like big Dog Glenn Robinson,
they were signing five year seventy eighty.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Million dollar deals out of college.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, right, So it's just a different thing. So, like
my thing is, it's all about how quickly can you start?
Now with nil, you have a little bit more leeway
because if you can make two or three million dollars
in college, like, but still it stops you from getting
to your next contract sooner. Which how many contracts are
you trying to get in the lifespan of your playing career?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Not that many. So my next question is, let's say
we're just going to be a random person that we're
making up in our heads. But it's a four star recruit,
right okay, and he has an offer from a stacked
Kentucky team, or he can go play at Xavier that's
a decent like mid major team right now, right, which
team does he choose?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
What's my offer? Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, we're not talking about money. We're just talking about that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
We got to talk about money. I mean, that's the
only way I'm going to go to school now, that's
what school is going to be. Y, that's what I'm saying.
That's seven million a year.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So then you choose. If Xavier is giving you seven million,
then you go there.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, it's it depends upon your family and what
your family needs.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, Like, let's also be honest about.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It, Like you don't think it's playing time has to
do it that it's just money.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I mean, well, I'm sure playing time. It's a lot
of factors. It's just not money. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But Like, if I come from a broken home, or
if I come from a single parent home where my
mom is working three jobs to support me, my brother
and my sister, I'm probably going to go take the deal.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's going to give me. We need that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Whereas I come from a dual parenting home and I
stable background, I'm going to be able to look at
the marketplace and say, you know what, maybe I'll.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Take a couple of million dollars less.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
But also I can use that mark by BYU to
didn't leverage my situation currently and say, well, they're going
to pay me this, what other incentives.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Could you throw on to help me get closer to
my mark? Right? But at the end of the day,
I want to play with talent.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, so if nil existed when you were making your decision,
you would have chosen anywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
That would I did.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
But I'm gonna tell you right now, there's no way
in hell, I'm two time national player to year, I'm
not here my sophomore year. Yeah, my sophomore year I
went through so much stuff I got challenged by like
I call him the mental Jedi mind.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Trick master of the world. Oh God, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know, like if you talk about like Star Wars,
like the Force, like coach k has a fource home, like.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
There would be times he like, you were horrible today.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Here's a disc for you to go home and watch
of your thirty worst.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Possessions, And now I have to watch it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And he's like, I want you to come back in
tomorrow and tell me how you fix all thirty of
these possessions. And I'll be like, oh my goodness, Okay.
So like my freshman year, that learning curve. I don't
know if I would have the same patience in today's world.
Like I was fourteen right in six and a half,
but I was getting beat up. So if I you know,
in today's world, I'm like, hold on, if I'm getting
paid nine dred thousand dollars to be here and you're
(17:56):
beating me up, and I don't feel like we have
a really good report, which I don't feel like we
did as much freshman year, I would have taken two
x three x going somewhere else. Yeah, but I couldn't
do that. I was forced to fight through it with
this guy and then the rest of care of.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It is amazing. Also considering it's rare for coach k
to really start freshman. Knowing you started all thirty four
games your freshman year, that must have meant something.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I mean I also put on the freshman thirty five, like,
not freshman ten, freshman like thirty.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I put on thirty five pounds everything.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Oh, I mean it's the best food in Durham.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean it was. It was barbecue. Yeah, every night
it was bad. It was corn bread, it was grits.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It is amazing, but not when you're playing basketball. You're
running three NonStop.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I mean I also live a Carls boozer and he
put another freshman thirty five.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
But that's not really fair. I mean he's a giant.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean I think I'm a giant, but I'm
just like a tiny person. People.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I'm five four, so you're a giant to me. Thank you,
You're welcome. I wanted to give you that.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I can always kind of eat.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yes you can, so, Jason, you'll see why I did that. Jason,
how did you transition to Jay?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I never did.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Really, it wasn't your choice.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
No, it just happened.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, I was getting drafted, and there was an article
that broke in the New York Times that said I
was changing my name from Jason.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
To Jay because I read that you made the decision.
But no, it was just all of a sudden, you
were Jet.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, we tried to find who the mole was because
we were tinkering around with that idea. But somebody definitely
in my camp.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
What's wrong with Jason?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
There was nothing wrong with Jason.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But there was, like I said before, team right, Well, no,
there was Jason Williams who shot his chauffeur and had
to go to jail. But also not only that, he
got caught outside of a hotel.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And got tasered. There's a lot of things that were
going on. There's a lot of conflation in the market place.
It seems that way about Jason. So and then there,
like I said before, there was white chocolate. Who was
the real Jason? Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yes, okay, So in your rookie season, you had twenty
six points fourteen rebounds and thirteen assists in a game
against the Nets, which are your hometown team. Insane. Can
you take me back to that night and what was
going through your head?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, we used to run this offense called the triangle okay,
which have you ever heard of the triangle offense? Can't
say okay?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So the triangle was like the offense of Michael Jordan,
Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson. Those team won championships with right,
like Michael Jordan was getting scoring titles for his first
several years until they drafted Scotti, pipp and Jerry Krause.
But the offense actually created continuity. So also it's offense
that Kobe and Shaq won championships. Right, It's built for
incredible wings and biggs. It's not built for guards that
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play fast like Steph.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Curry or d Rose. I want to involve you in
a lot of picking rolls.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So literally, we were running that offense every possession, which
sucked for me because the ball was out of my hands.
So that game against the Nets was the first time
I kind of got a little bit rebellious and said
screw it, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm not going to run your offense. I'm just gonna play.
It worked and I had driple level. So it was
the best one win in my career really. Yeah, because
it was against Jason Kidd. Yes, and Jason Kidd is
just Jason Kidd a beast. Yeah, it was Jason Kidd.
It was Vince Carter. Richard Jefferson, who I just beat
a national championship the.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Year before, Sloan Nose alum Richard Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
There you go. Have you done the interview with r J?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, he was one of my first guests.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
He's spicy, spicy yeaheah.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know I can actually ask this. I told him.
I was like, thank you so much for doing it,
to pay you for being on my podcast. Do you
like some of my hair? I said that, damn, And
I feel like you may want some too because I
have a lot. No.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I feel very secure being oh you being I do. Yeah,
I've been bolved before I started losing hair a long time.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Do you think it benefits a basketball game being bald
because there's not as much to carry on your hand.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I just it benefits me. I can still do a
lot of things, like when I come out of pool,
I still throw it back. Really Okay, I still do
all the natural emotions as if I had.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
What happens then just water like slides off.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, it's a smooth effect.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I mean in my younger days, before I was married,
I had had an interesting effect.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I'm sure interesting. You can look and you can
use your head as like a mirror. Actually, I've been
sort of distracted while we were talking. Is I really
like looking at myself? And while we were talking, I
keep like looking.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm glad I can provide that for so much.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Just wow, that's great giving each other a lot. Okay,
so let's talk about the current NBA. I want to
hear who's your favorite current NBA player right now?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Shay same so much.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So much?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah I do. I am also starting to love Amen Thompson.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I believe it pronounce a men. I had to go
into the microphones. Everyone could hear that I was correcting
Jay Williams.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
No, that's right.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You can I call him say this is where you
should asked me a foo up question.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh yeah, Jay and I have spoken about this before
for everyone to hear. He's also going to be my
new mentor and teacher, so this is also going to
be a learning person.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
With no stop.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I call him amen, because I really think, like you know,
when you go to church and you're like, you're like
when something comes a car, like a man man, and
that's what you see with him. Like, I know, I've
known the twins since they're actually sit on the board
of you know, a high school basketball league called Overtime,
So I've seen I've seen them for a very long time, and.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I just think that his game is.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I love watching Houston, Like, I just think they're different,
they're young, they're fun. So of course you got like
Lebron and Janice and you know, like Steph and all these.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Other guys, and I love Shay, but like, I don't know, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I saw a quote today from Jalen Green that said
that once a man really gets his jump shot down,
like it's over and I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Problematic for people.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, and he's so young too. I think there was
a man in the Star War to the youngest from
their draft class, so they have so much more time
to grow into.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The start and something about like, you know, you're doing
an interview with a lot of incredibly powerful people that
do your job right.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, when you start feeling comfortable in the room. You're like, oh,
I belong in this room too.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And when he gets there, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
That's when it's scary.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's cool to see that with rookies. I feel like
sometimes you can see that switch when they really sort
of like you're talking about, when you decided to rebel
against your team's plan. You can see that sometimes with
a rookie where they're like, oh no, like I get
this now, like I'm I'm here, I belong here, and
that really changes their games.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You got to stress test things, right, You got to
see how far you can take it before you got
to keep edging and pushing boundaries.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, all right. Who is the most underrated player in
the NBA currently?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I would probably I would probably go for the person
that you work with in the podcast, and I've had
some pretty I would love to sit down and talk
with Dre because I really respect Dre. I think sometimes
Dre gets in his own way. I think Dre also,
if he were to be reflective, he would say that, yeah,
but he is a dog of a competitor and I'm
built the same way. Like there's sometimes I get lost
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in the emotion of things because I'm so in it. Yeah, right,
But like he is a floor leader.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
He is.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's really incredible to watch, and I think people always
get caught up in all the shenanigans, but they don't
see all the details at the level he's able to execute.
I think he's the most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, I like that you said that. I mean, because
that's who if someone were to ask me the question,
that's exactly what I would say. And this may be
a bold statement, but I don't believe that there would
be a Warrior's dynasty.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
People don't understand how Seph Curry is not Steph Curry
without Draymond Green. Katie's Warriors years are not Katie's Warriors
years without Draymond. Clay is not Clay without Draymond. He
is the heart of the team. He is the heart
and soul. And sure there's been instances where he hasn't,
but nine percent of the time he really lifts his
whole team up in a way that is rare.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But also like he's he's a savant, right, Like I
tell you, I geek out like on basketball terminology, like
watching him talk about from Okay, here comes to Iris
can cut, you can flaiscan cut like slip it. Like
he sees things before they.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Happen, and he makes reads and then he can actually
verbalize to people what they should be doing.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Like that does not happen like Lebron can do that.
Steph doesn't really do that, right, Dre does that for staff.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I mean he's low key a point guard, which is.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Why I think Dre loves Bron because there aren't people
that actually see the game that people can geek out to. Yeah,
like Russell Westbrook sees the game, but he's more of
a rereact.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And it happens, right, Dreymond sees it before, sees it
before it happens. Could you see Draymond becoming a coach easily?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I can see Draymond becoming the next head coach in
Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Wow, that was actually think he would be perfect for
something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, totally, no, I see that. Yeah, the grit, that's
definitely Dre's vibe. Okay, next up, who do you think
was the biggest twenty five All Star snub? LaMelo Tree, Young,
Devin Booker, just to list a few.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I mean, Trey is always going to be that person
for me to a degree because it's.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Just a situation.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, Like it's an unfortunate but it's like he always
gets discounted, even though I think he puts up numbers,
but it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Translate yeah as much.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I will tell you though, Like I would say,
that's my biggest nump.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I'm really happy that Tyler made it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Tyler Herro, Yeah, that's a cool one, like.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because he his game has always been that. But there's
all like the Jimmy Butler saga that just exactly overshadows
how good Tyler is. So those are probably I've seen.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Tyler play in person two games this season, and he
is a sniper, Like he is a catch and shoot demon,
Like I haven't seen someone catching and shoot like that
since Clay On, like Clay's prime. He's amazing, And I agree,
like there's you get caught up in that a lot
of the time. People don't realize that there's more to
a team than just their superstar. And I feel like
there's so many players like that that are now getting
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their shots. So that's cool to see.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And also I think Eric Sposer is probably one of
the best coaches, if not the best coach in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
So it's like the.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Combination of like how he's been able to like unleash. Yeah,
like that's a real thing. Like people like, oh, like Jay,
you're a top pick, you should just go into the
NBA and question I'm like, well, actually, my head coach
doesn't give me a vehicle for me to crush it
with their offense.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, because someone needs to give you that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, and player development and how people break you into
that is everything totally.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Okay, So Jay, can you give me your duke all
time starting five? I know you've answered this question so
many times, but I need to hear it now on
slow notes.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
All right, So who this is tough?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Also, feel free to name guys that you want to
come off the bench for. Very inclusive.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So this is like a top eight okay, Okay, So
like one file up question is this, like who I
want to go into battle with? Or like, who are
the all time greatest that I would.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Associating all time greats?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, where you gotta start off with Christian Layner? Of course,
I think lad is there. I would say, I would.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You can obviously put yourself.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Grant Hill Grant Hills there, mm hmm. I'm gonna put
me in there. I'm gonna go jj just because I
think we we talk a lot of tracks to each other.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But I would just love to be in the same backward.
This is a tough one. This is this is really
this is tough. I'd probably go maybe Jason Tatum. Wow
mm hmmm, go Jason Tatum, and I would have Paolo,
I would have Kyrie, and I would have Coop.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Come off the bench knowing that, I mean, he's as
Newton finished his rookie year and you're already putting him there.
That's saying something.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I think that's special. Now, let's talk about some of
the players I made it from right.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Zion.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I love Zion, but like you know, like his career,
that's my dude's durability.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I need that. Who else I leave off? Jabari Parker,
Danny Ferry. I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I'm comfortable with you as well.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I think we're I think we're.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's crazy too, because there's so many guys that if
there's so many times that we could have had this
conversation where we would have thought there was a like
take a Jalil Okafort like five years ago his college year,
we would be saying like, oh, we think he was
going to be in that conversation really doesn't happen. There's
a lot of people like that. I mean, Justice Windle.
There's people that you think when they're here, do I
think that you think that, oh, they're going to be
in that conversation and it just doesn't translate.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I don't think people recognize like like when you when
you're a freshman, right, like the one that had done arra
is interesting, Like I'll tell you that the biggest difference
in my freshman sophomore, Like my freshman year, nobody really
saw me coming. Yeah, right, So like I then became
the person on the skatal report. But like I game momentue,
like when you're come back as that player to then
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like exceed expectations when defenses are specifically outlining their scattering
report just to specifically stop you. There's another level to it, right,
So like when I'm able to watch Grant like build
on that, when I'm able to watch JJ build on that,
Like for me my sophomore year be a national playerer,
win a championship, come back and having a different junior
year like knowing that if you stop me, probability of
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you winning your game is higher, right, but still it
was hard for people to stop me because I play
with other studs.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So what factor that into it?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, no, that's interesting for sure. Okay, So who is
an underrated all time duke player that you don't think
it's a lot of love. People don't talk about a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I'll say Shane Mattier.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think it's just because I think Shane did all
the dirty things defensively that nobody ever really sees nor
do people care. Like, we're going to highlight driven society,
so like when you wake up in the morning you
want to watch hoops, Like you go to your phone,
You're going to all the different highlights of games that happen.
Like they don't show the strips, they don't show the
rotations in the week's ig. They know sort of communication
on the back end of the defense. They don't say, hey,
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slip on the screen or like echoing this Gotter report.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's so many That's.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
What I'm saying though, And that's why JJ and Lebron's
podcast was so dope. Right, Like when you're actually sitting
down and you're hearing all the specific terminology, all the
tactical maneuvers like and how that's being executed while you're
running five and a half miles, like in a twelve
minute quarter, maybe to become ten minute quarters.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
We'll see soon. Like that's not easy to.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Do, No, it is all right. So lastly, I want
to end with two fun sections. So first we're gonna
go with a rapid fire, and then we're gonna do
some j Williams trivia and we're gonna see how well
you know yourself. So starting off with the rapid fire.
Other than Cameron, what is your favorite college basketball arena?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Oh, Dean Smith Center. I used to light their asses up,
so you like it? Just because I feel like I
just went off into a different place.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I feel like I just cursed.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's like the Kobe Mama thing just happened. I'm sorry
if I curse, and I'm not allowed to curse.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'm sorry setting up except for the children. J gosh,
the children. Yeah, we'll believe it. We'll bleep it. Sorry,
we'll put like a nice little like unicorn, sound.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like put like like me and the Kobe is like
all right?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
In five years, who will be the face of the league?
And why.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Five years?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Who is the face of the league and why I
it's toughness.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Not I mean it's gonna be Wimby.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean I have a I have a media company
slash management company with Giannis, And like I watched them
battle the other night.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
That was crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like they're not too many people on this planet where
I'm like, ah, like their size, their length is gonna
give g A a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That dude gives g A a problem.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Did you see that one highlight where like Wemby is
sort of in the corner and he's like spitting around
and he just sort of like throws throws it up.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
And it's like what it's what?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And look like you got to imagine for me too,
Like I am specifically jaded by people like this, Like
my sophomo year, I could leave score earlier. Andone's like, hey,
you're gonna be the first pick in the draft. The
Washington Wizards are the first pick in the draft. Michael Jordan.
You and Jordan the same team. I'm like, I'm like,
this is so incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Coach k is like, look, I think you need to
come back to school, be the first player to graduate
Duke in three years, and you.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Need to learn how to lead a team.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm like, okay, I'll come back, and I come back.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'm like, I'm gonna be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
And all of a sudden, guy's like, here comes a
seven six Chinese person, you know, and it's gonna be
voted into All Star every year. I'm like, come on, really,
out of all the years, that's like the fact that
this dude is like seven six seven seven, but can shoot.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Threes and can move like that. Come on, come on, yeah,
it's over. He's gonna be the face.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, totally. What is the best sports city in the country,
overall sports city.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Overall sports cittery, I mean, football kind of rules for me,
so like if they three p it has to be
Kansas City. Yeah, just and this is football just drives
so many numbers. And I think if we're getting into
the conversation about like Tom Brady's the goat, and I
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know Tom and him I talk about, but if this
dude wins three in a row, he's just the greatest
ever and he's still so young, So like, I guess
you would you would be able to like delineate the
greatest sports city in the world, Like all sports but
knowing how much football dominates, I don't think you're gonna
find a better city for sports in Kansas City right now.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
And I mean, I hate to say it, but it's
now brought in so many different fandoms, Like take Taylor
switch On fandom. Now everyone is a Chiefs fan.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So you think Travis Kelsey will continue to be as
popular if they break up?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, well, if he goes into like a like a
little revenge area and she starts writing like breakup songs
and he starts like going off and like in the
end zone doing some like celebrations, I actually think that
would be cool.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It depends on how they It depends on how.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
They it was just like a mutual like, oh, we
love each other so much, we just are in different
places in life, like and then that's like a SOB story.
But if it's like they're both trying to like be
like vengeful, I think that that's sort of a vibe.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, okay, not the self yeah, vengeful vibe.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, Jay, what is your favorite podcast? There's a pretty
obvious answer here.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I mean it's slow, no, yeah, okay, I mean like
I mean I I kind of geek outs and be
like Malcolm Gladwell and other things so that sort.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
But like, let's just forget about.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Like basketball podcasts. It's only you.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
No, I didn't even know there was other basketball podcasts.
I know, I'd never heard of that. I didn't know
there was other podcasts. I thought it was the first ever.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well you're not only the first, your first and only?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, first and only. Okay, great, I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
We should be the name of the podcast, the.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
First and only ever an eternity podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
And then no, I wouldn't even call it a podcasts simulcast.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's time, yes, okay, but we should call it b
l before Lebron. I don't know this al this is
after Lebron.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Is after Lebron. Already he's still playing.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Well I know, but like he's forty now, it doesn't count.
Oh no, d during Lebron during Lebron.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
THEO has different meanings as well.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, okay, sorry, I let's let's.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Come back and readdress something like this post forty thing.
We gotta and we're gonna be brothers just so we
gotta we gotta work on this, okay, Like forty is
the new thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh cool? So wait, so then seventeen is the new
Does that mean sent to the new ten?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It doesn't work that way when you're below twenty and
you're just start getting a yeah. But you're entering like
the Taylor Swift full woman stage of life. You're you're
you're coming into that.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh, thank you. So when you like, you just become
Taylor Swift, I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
No, No, you will.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, when you become Taylor Swift of the podcast industry.
And see how I did that? How are you going
to continue to make the podcast happen when you're here
at Duke.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh gosh, love this foreshadowing, Jay, Thank you so much. Well,
I think that we can do. First off, we then
that means we can talk to each other even more.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I just want to I just want to be a
part owner of it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh, I can help you.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I can talk to team about that.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
You can talk to Draymond, you know. But no, I
think like what would be really cool and my goal
and my hope is is that Duke has such an
incredible sports culture and that I'm able to really continue
to show that to the world and interview athletes from
various incredible programs. I mean, there aren't many schools out
there that really excel in every single sport like Duke does.
And I want to show that. And I mean, you know,
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when the Boozer Twins are here, if Nick Komena, who
I've already interviewed, you know what I mean starting five
for Duke, Yes, we do. I mean that's going to.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Be a little bit more history and homework he does
due diligence.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But if you know, the recruiting classes keep looking like
this and John Shire keeps just killing it with the
five stars, I mean, this is going to be a
pretty fire podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm also thinking outside just to Duke Lane, I'm thinking
about like the national landscape, like if you're going to
become the Oprah for sports entertainment, like we need to
start focusing on a larger cast of a net.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Let's do it. I'm so excited. So that leads me
into my final question, Jay, if I want to nominate it, sorry,
if you could nominate a slow nose guest, who would
it be? And can you help me get the guest?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, I would say that needs to be Stepaniis.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh yeah, I mean that that would be like my goals.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, I think they would I also think it's really
cool to see when you hit a certain level of celebrity,
like the new celebrity will become anonymity, right, Like everybody
wants to showcase everything now, and the more you learn
how to start being discreet, it will give you more
power in the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Otherwise known as nonchalant.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, I mean, no, no, I think.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think, Okay, I don't mean to call you an
older person, but you're older than me, so I didn't
that as an older than me person. I feel like
older than me people don't fully get the meaning of
nonchalant because my definition of nonchalant is like how you're
explaining it, like I'm still like, you know what I mean,
Like you just have to be discreet, like not let
people know your every move, but still come out. And
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when you come out, you're powerful, you know what I'm saying.
I'm so glad I can do some charity working give
an older than me person some explanation. I taught you
mogging nonchalant.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I mean I kind of knew what a nonchalant meant. No, No,
I feel like mumb cavalarry is pretty extensive.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
It is actually like half the words you said, I
had no idea what you meant, But I just pretended
like I did. Oh that's the improm Do you think
I'm a good actor?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
That's what that's I do?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Thank you, because I was acting. I had no idea
half the words you were saying.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
You ready want to play a game? Oh, let's play
a level up game.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I say a word, you give me another word that
comes off that word, and we keep going into somebody
messes up?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You ready? Okay? Okay? Chair?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Table stand?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
How does chair work with table?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Well? You wait? Okay, can you re explain the rules? No?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I just want to see where you go next?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
How does chair work with table?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Okay? That's another one.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Every word I say, you have to build off of
that word, all right, So we're gonna build off it.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
We're going to create a story.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Okay, Right, So I'll say a word, then you give
me a story off that word real quick, and then
I'll give you another story off your story.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
We'll keep going. You ready, chair.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Would chopping wood, timber, chopping wood in.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Its fall, building a cabin, sleeping in the cabin, fireplace
in the cabin, roasting marshmallows, camping, Shazowsky, Bill Duke.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
See how we go see everything. Yeah, that's how we go.
That's how we am.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Go. Blue Devils baby bye everyone. Thanks for listening to
this episode of Sloan Notes. You can get links to
my socials and see behind the scenes fun from Jay
and I in the show notes, or just search at
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to the knee.
Hi, I'm slum and I know basketball. Today's guest is
none other than Duke Legend. Depends on how you know him,
Jason or Jay Williams. His journey from winning a national
championship in college to being drafted second in an MBA
draft and watching his jersey get hung up in the
rafters at Cameron Indoor Stadium is a story you won't
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want to miss, all right, Jay, So I'm seventeen, right,
and I want to go all the way back to
when you were seventeen, which I know was I know,
unfortunately was a really really long time ago.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I don't know if you're still First off, it
wasn't that really really long ago.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Let's say I'm not like in my sixties here.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
True, but it was BC, which is or BL before Lebron, before.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Labron, before Christ Did you go BC?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Every gonna say BC, But you know what, I ca'd
do BL before Lebron. That's the thing now, Oh it's
my thing, BL before Lebron. I mean, jesus, we got it. Okay,
So back then, when you were seventeen, so many years ago,
in high school, you played volleyball, soccer, and chess in
addition to basketball, I think so many high school kids,
you know, have to make this big decision what sport
are you going to play? How did you decide that
(01:05):
you wanted to focus on basketball?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I think it didn't really happen unto my junior year,
which is kind of like shocking because I played everything.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But also I see kids that specialize.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In like one individual sport, and I think how much
that sucks? Ye, right, because I think the amount of
pressure that you're putting yourself, Like, you know, I'm less
than point zero zero zero one percent of the world
that became a pro get alone a top ten pick,
which is point zero one of that point zero zero
zero one, Right, So like playing soccer really helped me
with my like my feet like coordination, right, Like playing
bolly ball helped me learn how to jump the right way?
(01:36):
Can I strategy and thinking ahead all the time, which
is a point guard?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I always see things ahead? Yeah, you know, like I'm able.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I even think situations like being like we had dinner
last night, I'm like, okay, cool, Like player A is
going to sit here, player C is going to walk in.
I'm going to position the conversation this way. I want
to see how she reacts to it. If she reacts
to it this way, I could play this move. If
she reacts that way, I need to play that move.
So I'm constantly it's just spinning and that's chess.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah. I think you're the smartest person I've ever met.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I don't know about that. Your dad's pretty smart.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, okay, like Albert, I'm frien smart too, But yeah,
you got something going there. Okay, So what was your
favorite team growing up?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What sport?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Basketball?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I was a New Jersey Nets fan that transitioned to
the Brooklyn Nets fan. Unfortunately, Katie's you know, shoe being
sized sixteen was just a little bit too big for
us to reach.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Gloria, My question is, because you are a New Jersey kid,
were you upset by the transition to Brooklyn or you
have stuck with them?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, okay, can I just so I literally when Katie
tore his achilles, I was on the plane with him,
flying back from literally Toronto back to New York with
him and Rich Climban, and just remember that moment because.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Everybody's like, what are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And how they had diagnosed him, you know, how they
told him that really that couldn't really happen, and then
that did happen, So like I watched him at this
inflection point, so like just watching Katie then go with
Kyrie and then nim Land James Harden. You know, actually
I got a good investment in because before Katie actually committed,
I bought court side seats out of great price, and
I inflated that price and I was able to sell
out tickets.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But it was just.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Really cool to actually experience like all those guys and
like Brooklyn being the thing, like jay Z was at games,
Joe and Clara Cy We're at games and then we
just suck, do you?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I mean, I see a lot of team owners that
don't go to their team game.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Bomb does.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
That's Steve though.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You have to give him credit for that. He's always
there for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
All right, So in who's your favorite team?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
By the way, I'm Warriors.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You're Warriors. Have you ever did an interview with Steph Nobody?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Do you want to?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
We need to make that come on?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That was my That's my last question. Jay. Here's the
thing with you being so smart is is that I
was going to ask you later, like who do you
want to help me get on my podcast?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Anybody you want. I mean I think might be better
than that would or.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like a couple's like the two of them with me,
I know, right, I mean slow nos. I just have
these thoughts and this is what happens, all right. So
when you played in the McDonald's All American Game and
night ninety nine, four other Duke commits played in that game,
which is pretty special, sort of showing the longevity of
how Duke has always just dominated high school recruits pretty much.
I want to know what your highlight from that game was?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Probably, uh, well, first off, like Carlos Boozer, who is
a printed All Star with the Utah Jazz play with
Darren Williams. Uh, you know, he turned him more into
a power forward, but I do was shooting three from
half court with me. He was more of a guard
like t Mac coming out of Juno Alaska, Like how.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Many players come out of Oska? Seriously?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And then we have Mike Dunleyvy who's now the GM
with the Golden State Wars, which is the plug for can.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You please tell him a trade for zachal Line. I'm
just bored. We're so bad right now, Zach?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Is that the answer?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Though? I think I mean, I think he's more of
the answer than Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
No, I definitely don't want Jimmy on Golden State.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
We make a move, I think it's Zach. Otherwise I'd
rather just keep our young core and just really pray
that Jonathan Kaminga decides.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So you're going to get back to Chicago for Zach,
I mean, I think you can do.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It without him. I think it's loone Pods and then
I think you go Moses Moody and I guess you maybe, oh,
buddy Heel, and then I guess you maybe. I don't
think we need that. I mean, Zach Line hasn't been
that has been an All Star for years, Like he
doesn't need five players.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I just wonder how Zach fits into like the continuity
in which they were because they don't. There's yeah, but
it's not like Wiggs even turns like a catch and
shoot catch turn driving player Zach like in his hands.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It just depends upon how you build a schematically around stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Let's get Mike on here too, and we'll all have
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
That's what I'm saying. So him and case Sanders, I
think the thing. I I was up in the dunk
contest after the first round, but I ran out of
dunks and I literally faked an injury. I said that
I hurt my wrists so I couldn't dunk.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Learning experience for kids is it?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, I mean you got to get out while you're ahead. Okay,
That's how I look at Like, It's like I'm competing
against giants.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Let's be honest. I'm six to two.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I'm like Muggsy Bows compared to like Carlos and Mike
and all these guys. So like, what really do I
have left?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, gotcha. So what I'm curious about is like when you're.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like, that's not a great lesson for kids.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I got to defend my children up here, Like for
your kids, you're used to be listening. I'm a kid.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, what I'm saying, if you're leading and then you
run out of stuff, it doesn't means that you don't try.
Just me, it's like, hey, look I'm tapped out. Yeah,
you gotta know thself.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah. My parents used to get mad at me because,
like in my math test, if I didn't know a question,
I would just start sobbing and having a panic attack.
And I feel like you're basically encouraging me to continue
to do that on test.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Wow, that translation is not what I was.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's what I'm saying, Jay.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm glad we're talking this through.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Like when I hear you're like an idol to me.
So when I hear you say, oh, I faked an injury,
I'm like, I could do that.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well. The injury was for a slam dunk contest.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
The injury wasn't for like a game or a math test,
or it wasn't something like trivial.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was like a random.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Slam mogged me. But you just mogged me. Look it
up later, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I know you work on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So high school stars today are celebrities. Let's be real there.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So just tell me what mog means real quick though.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh yeah, okay, Well I actually try to explain to
the other. So MOG is like when you just okay,
let me. So MOG is like, like, I'm it's when
you're better than someone else's something. So let's say you
said or I say, for instance, oh I met Buddy
healed yesterday. I took a picture of him, and you're like, oh,
I met Michael Jordan, you just mogged me.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You want it? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So now let's go back to my question. It's really
getting me off. That's twins always. Okay, So high school
stars are celebrities, they're social media stars. Someone then get
a little carried away. Let's take Mike Williams as an example.
We thought that we were going to see him in
the NBA. Now he's still in college at now his
second school, because he was basically had the platform of
(07:38):
an MBA star since he was fifteen. I want to
know what your thoughts are about that sort of new
role that social media plays in high school basketball kids' lives,
and also what you think your high school experience would
have been like if you had had that start of them.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
As the question, when you get done with your podcast
and then you post the podcast, what's the first thing
you look at to measure whether that particular post was
successful in like, yeah, right, Fame is one hell of
a drug.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Is addictive.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, And the problem is the more fame and attention
you get, the more that kind of starts to fill
in things within your ego. And I wonder for a
guy like Mikey or for anybody like how young people
deal with that, right, Like you gotta imagine like my
motorcycle accident, Like you know how many times that people
who disagree with what I say about basketball. So I
could be like, hey, look, Steph Curry is the greater
shooter of all time, but I think Steph Curry is
(08:26):
better at penn down screens, kind off pen down screens
instead of flair screens, something as trivial or tiny as that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Right, if people disagree to me, like you're stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know in basketball, you probably hit your head too
hard in that motorcycle accident. Or sometimes when I said, hey,
look for North Carolina, they're fragmented right now, they're not
playing together. I think they lack leadership. Well do you
know about leadership? You should have died in your moscycle accident.
People say that kind of vicious stuff. So I think
there's a mental toughness that it takes for young people
to learn that all these people that have opinions on
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their lives really don't know who the hell they are, right,
I think that takes a lot of people around you
to make sure that you are, you know, barriered from
that stupidity. But also if you're going to the metrics
of likes to determine whether your things are successful or not.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
You're gonna look at that. So I think it's a
challenge for any young person.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, totally. You just have to ignore it, put it aside,
and just grind.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
None of those people are actually the ones that come
up to you, right, the people that say, oh, Jay,
you should have killed yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
In most when I see them, like Jay, I love you,
I'm like, oh cool. Yeah, so you just don't want
to say it to my face totally, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So Also, when you were in high school, I know
that one of your nicknames was Jadab yep, and you
know there's Jadab now on the Thunder. I'm curious, do
you think that he's done a good job carrying on
your nickname.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I think he's exceeded my nickname. I don't think I've
ever been recognized as Jadub. I think people now more
so call me j will true. And then there was
that whole thing, like you know, when I'm here, they
still call me Jason because my name is Jason. But
when I leave these confines they call me ja because
one guy like shot his chauffeur.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
The other guy had.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Like, you know, white boy tattooing his knuckles, even though
I think honestly he was the real Jason Williams Sacramento.
He was probably the realest.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
One there was. Yeah, suppressing, but it's honest.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I love your honesty. That's a good lesson to teach kids.
You're honest.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I'm glad we're tying that background.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Look at that. I always do. So you would offers
from Florida State, San Diego State. What about Duke made
you choose the Blue Devils?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Actually I had offers too, from like a Notre Dame
Yale in Georgetown, and.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're an academic, so that means something new.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
This this dude got me here, Like it's I played
for the greatest coach of all time. Now, whether you
want to debate that between him and John Wooden.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It's fine. I don't want a debate.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Okay, let me tell you what he did.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think it's really interesting when you mean an adult,
does an adult call you slum slum?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay? So when I came in to meet coach K,
I said, I sit in his room.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
My mom and my dad and my parents are sitting
in these two small chairs next to me, and I'm
sitting like in a fold up chair like this, and
Coach k sitting like in a grandfather chair and he goes, hey, David, Hey, Althia,
my parents first name is nice to meet you, and
he goes to like, mister Williams. Like so automatically he
started a dress. I'm sixteen, He's addressing me as an adult.
It was the first time I felt automatically accountable with
(11:05):
just somebody addressing me totally. And he was like, I'm
calling you by like your surname because that's how I
need you to act here.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Wow, I need you to act like an adult. I'm
going to treat you like an adult.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So I think just the way he made me think
about the game, the way he made me see the game,
and the way he spoke to me, honestly was different
than any other person who's spoken to me in my life.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
No, I hear that. And especially as a kid who
I try to put myself in mature adult rooms, it
really is true. Like when an adult treats you like
you are mature, it really means so much.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
What's the first thing you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Do when you go into a room full of adults
who are powerful introduce myself?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I just watch and it's from coach. I watch mannerisms.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I see who's outgoing, who's not outgoing, who's a
little bit more reclusive. I always go more towards a
person who feels a little bit more reclusive. So I
think people who actually take a quick survey instead of.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Just hey i'm here. Yeah, it's always interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, first scan and then yeah, I'm going to take
that advice. So when you committed to Duke in nineteen ninety,
so did Carlos Boozer, like you said, you played with
him the McDonald's All American Game. Did him coming here
have anything to do with you choosing the school? Were
you excited to team up with him?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I mean, how about this?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So my sophomore year, my junior year, when I leave
because I graduate school year early, I was a second pick.
Mike Dunlevy was a third pick. Carlos Boozer was like
in the mid thirties, but he turned out to be
a Preennial All Star.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Crazy. He was the second rounder.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Chris Douhan played fifteen years in the NBA. Dante Jones
played ten years in the NBA. We just had a
crazy squad, like we were loaded with talents.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So yeah, it's like I wasn't trying to come to
a program like I'm going to be as a savior.
Everybody follow me.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I came to Duke thinking I wasn't going to start.
I thought William Avery was going to be here. So
I was like, how do I my home Intalit was like,
how do I take this starting spot from him?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And then he left and then it's like I was
given the ball and the rest of his history.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
If your Duke squad mashed up against today twenty five, really.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Smack them, Cooper's not many points, is Coop Cooper is
not going to do anything agase Shane Batty.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Shane Batty was six eight two time National Defensive Player
of the Year Swiss Arma n I can defend that.
I mean he was Shane Batty won a World championship
with Lebron and d Wade from Miami and made critical
plays down the stretch. So like, I think this Duke
team is super special, but I.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Think we had we were older too, though, you know
what I mean, we were more mature. Cooper's a child
like Cooper special, I think as a freshman, right, But
I also think our team like we were sophomores and seniors,
different than having you know, four freshmen and malawatching. These
guys are great, but they're not experienced, which is in
a different We're in a different level.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Huh totally. And also I mean in college. Well, now
one and done is the goal. Like I've interviewed so
many guys who I've I've learned now that because at
the beginning I always thought, oh, like, if you're good,
you're gonna go one and done. But now I'm starting
to understand that sometimes that extra year is the make
or break and that's what leads you to being successful
in the which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, I mean I think so.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean this is a basketball pole, which I love.
Kind of you're ready to geek out in basketball? Okay,
I'm gonna put you on game on this. So why
would it be beneficial for somebody to leave school early
with the way the league is actually organized right now?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh gosh, this is I didn't think this is going
to be like school.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, it's not school is see, you gotta stop it
with school. This is adults having a real conversation about
sport that we both love.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, I think the money I mean, there's.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
What what about the money? Are the are the contracts
that huge?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They can be? But it's also okay, well it's different
now because of nil I guess, but if we call
this five years ago, it wasn't just the money, it
was also the endorsements. I think it's the facilities. Not
every kid is going to a school like Duke that
has NBA level facilities. A lot of people need coaches
and facilities and gyms and doctors that are NBA level.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I think that's a really good answer. I also will
say it's because of a salary cap. So the salary
cap is like an internship. Yeah, so like the NBA
game is so much different than the college game, So
why wouldn't you want to get out as soon as
possible at a younger age to get to your next contract.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Essentially, you're going to learn. They're going to pay you
to learn for three years.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Until you get your bigger contract, right, which is typically
like then it's like the rookie max if you're able
to get that. But before the salary cap, kids were
actually incentivized because when we have like big Dog Glenn Robinson,
they were signing five year seventy eighty.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Million dollar deals out of college.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, right, So it's just a different thing. So, like
my thing is, it's all about how quickly can you start?
Now with nil, you have a little bit more leeway
because if you can make two or three million dollars
in college, like, but still it stops you from getting
to your next contract sooner. Which how many contracts are
you trying to get in the lifespan of your playing career?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Not that many. So my next question is, let's say
we're just going to be a random person that we're
making up in our heads. But it's a four star recruit,
right okay, and he has an offer from a stacked
Kentucky team, or he can go play at Xavier that's
a decent like mid major team right now, right, which
team does he choose?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
What's my offer? Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, we're not talking about money. We're just talking about that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
We got to talk about money. I mean, that's the
only way I'm going to go to school now, that's
what school is going to be. Y, that's what I'm saying.
That's seven million a year.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So then you choose. If Xavier is giving you seven million,
then you go there.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, it's it depends upon your family and what
your family needs.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, Like, let's also be honest about.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It, Like you don't think it's playing time has to
do it that it's just money.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I mean, well, I'm sure playing time. It's a lot
of factors. It's just not money. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But Like, if I come from a broken home, or
if I come from a single parent home where my
mom is working three jobs to support me, my brother
and my sister, I'm probably going to go take the deal.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's going to give me. We need that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Whereas I come from a dual parenting home and I
stable background, I'm going to be able to look at
the marketplace and say, you know what, maybe I'll.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Take a couple of million dollars less.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
But also I can use that mark by BYU to
didn't leverage my situation currently and say, well, they're going
to pay me this, what other incentives.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Could you throw on to help me get closer to
my mark? Right? But at the end of the day,
I want to play with talent.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, so if nil existed when you were making your decision,
you would have chosen anywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
That would I did.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
But I'm gonna tell you right now, there's no way
in hell, I'm two time national player to year, I'm
not here my sophomore year. Yeah, my sophomore year I
went through so much stuff I got challenged by like
I call him the mental Jedi mind.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Trick master of the world. Oh God, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know, like if you talk about like Star Wars,
like the Force, like coach k has a fource home, like.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
There would be times he like, you were horrible today.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Here's a disc for you to go home and watch
of your thirty worst.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Possessions, And now I have to watch it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And he's like, I want you to come back in
tomorrow and tell me how you fix all thirty of
these possessions. And I'll be like, oh my goodness, Okay.
So like my freshman year, that learning curve. I don't
know if I would have the same patience in today's world.
Like I was fourteen right in six and a half,
but I was getting beat up. So if I you know,
in today's world, I'm like, hold on, if I'm getting
paid nine dred thousand dollars to be here and you're
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beating me up, and I don't feel like we have
a really good report, which I don't feel like we
did as much freshman year, I would have taken two
x three x going somewhere else. Yeah, but I couldn't
do that. I was forced to fight through it with
this guy and then the rest of care of.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It is amazing. Also considering it's rare for coach k
to really start freshman. Knowing you started all thirty four
games your freshman year, that must have meant something.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I mean I also put on the freshman thirty five, like,
not freshman ten, freshman like thirty.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I put on thirty five pounds everything.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Oh, I mean it's the best food in Durham.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean it was. It was barbecue. Yeah, every night
it was bad. It was corn bread, it was grits.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It is amazing, but not when you're playing basketball. You're
running three NonStop.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I mean I also live a Carls boozer and he
put another freshman thirty five.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
But that's not really fair. I mean he's a giant.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean I think I'm a giant, but I'm
just like a tiny person. People.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I'm five four, so you're a giant to me. Thank you,
You're welcome. I wanted to give you that.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I can always kind of eat.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yes you can, so, Jason, you'll see why I did that. Jason,
how did you transition to Jay?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I never did.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Really, it wasn't your choice.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
No, it just happened.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, I was getting drafted, and there was an article
that broke in the New York Times that said I
was changing my name from Jason.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
To Jay because I read that you made the decision.
But no, it was just all of a sudden, you
were Jet.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, we tried to find who the mole was because
we were tinkering around with that idea. But somebody definitely
in my camp.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
What's wrong with Jason?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
There was nothing wrong with Jason.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But there was, like I said before, team right, Well, no,
there was Jason Williams who shot his chauffeur and had
to go to jail. But also not only that, he
got caught outside of a hotel.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And got tasered. There's a lot of things that were
going on. There's a lot of conflation in the market place.
It seems that way about Jason. So and then there,
like I said before, there was white chocolate. Who was
the real Jason? Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yes, okay, So in your rookie season, you had twenty
six points fourteen rebounds and thirteen assists in a game
against the Nets, which are your hometown team. Insane. Can
you take me back to that night and what was
going through your head?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Well, we used to run this offense called the triangle okay,
which have you ever heard of the triangle offense? Can't
say okay?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So the triangle was like the offense of Michael Jordan,
Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson. Those team won championships with right,
like Michael Jordan was getting scoring titles for his first
several years until they drafted Scotti, pipp and Jerry Krause.
But the offense actually created continuity. So also it's offense
that Kobe and Shaq won championships. Right, It's built for
incredible wings and biggs. It's not built for guards that
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play fast like Steph.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Curry or d Rose. I want to involve you in
a lot of picking rolls.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So literally, we were running that offense every possession, which
sucked for me because the ball was out of my hands.
So that game against the Nets was the first time
I kind of got a little bit rebellious and said
screw it, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm not going to run your offense. I'm just gonna play.
It worked and I had driple level. So it was
the best one win in my career really. Yeah, because
it was against Jason Kidd. Yes, and Jason Kidd is
just Jason Kidd a beast. Yeah, it was Jason Kidd.
It was Vince Carter. Richard Jefferson, who I just beat
a national championship the.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Year before, Sloan Nose alum Richard Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
There you go. Have you done the interview with r J?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, he was one of my first guests.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
He's spicy, spicy yeaheah.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know I can actually ask this. I told him.
I was like, thank you so much for doing it,
to pay you for being on my podcast. Do you
like some of my hair? I said that, damn, And
I feel like you may want some too because I
have a lot. No.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I feel very secure being oh you being I do. Yeah,
I've been bolved before I started losing hair a long time.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Do you think it benefits a basketball game being bald
because there's not as much to carry on your hand.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I just it benefits me. I can still do a
lot of things, like when I come out of pool,
I still throw it back. Really Okay, I still do
all the natural emotions as if I had.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
What happens then just water like slides off.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, it's a smooth effect.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I mean in my younger days, before I was married,
I had had an interesting effect.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I'm sure interesting. You can look and you can
use your head as like a mirror. Actually, I've been
sort of distracted while we were talking. Is I really
like looking at myself? And while we were talking, I
keep like looking.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm glad I can provide that for so much.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Just wow, that's great giving each other a lot. Okay,
so let's talk about the current NBA. I want to
hear who's your favorite current NBA player right now?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Shay same so much.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So much?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah I do. I am also starting to love Amen Thompson.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I believe it pronounce a men. I had to go
into the microphones. Everyone could hear that I was correcting
Jay Williams.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
No, that's right.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You can I call him say this is where you
should asked me a foo up question.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh yeah, Jay and I have spoken about this before
for everyone to hear. He's also going to be my
new mentor and teacher, so this is also going to
be a learning person.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
With no stop.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I call him amen, because I really think, like you know,
when you go to church and you're like, you're like
when something comes a car, like a man man, and
that's what you see with him. Like, I know, I've
known the twins since they're actually sit on the board
of you know, a high school basketball league called Overtime,
So I've seen I've seen them for a very long time, and.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I just think that his game is.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I love watching Houston, Like, I just think they're different,
they're young, they're fun. So of course you got like
Lebron and Janice and you know, like Steph and all these.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Other guys, and I love Shay, but like, I don't know, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I saw a quote today from Jalen Green that said
that once a man really gets his jump shot down,
like it's over and I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Problematic for people.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, and he's so young too. I think there was
a man in the Star War to the youngest from
their draft class, so they have so much more time
to grow into.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The start and something about like, you know, you're doing
an interview with a lot of incredibly powerful people that
do your job right.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, when you start feeling comfortable in the room. You're like, oh,
I belong in this room too.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And when he gets there, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
That's when it's scary.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's cool to see that with rookies. I feel like
sometimes you can see that switch when they really sort
of like you're talking about, when you decided to rebel
against your team's plan. You can see that sometimes with
a rookie where they're like, oh no, like I get
this now, like I'm I'm here, I belong here, and
that really changes their games.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You got to stress test things, right, You got to
see how far you can take it before you got
to keep edging and pushing boundaries.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, all right. Who is the most underrated player in
the NBA currently?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I would probably I would probably go for the person
that you work with in the podcast, and I've had
some pretty I would love to sit down and talk
with Dre because I really respect Dre. I think sometimes
Dre gets in his own way. I think Dre also,
if he were to be reflective, he would say that, yeah,
but he is a dog of a competitor and I'm
built the same way. Like there's sometimes I get lost
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in the emotion of things because I'm so in it. Yeah, right,
But like he is a floor leader.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
He is.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's really incredible to watch, and I think people always
get caught up in all the shenanigans, but they don't
see all the details at the level he's able to execute.
I think he's the most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, I like that you said that. I mean, because
that's who if someone were to ask me the question,
that's exactly what I would say. And this may be
a bold statement, but I don't believe that there would
be a Warrior's dynasty.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
But I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
People don't understand how Seph Curry is not Steph Curry
without Draymond Green. Katie's Warriors years are not Katie's Warriors
years without Draymond. Clay is not Clay without Draymond. He
is the heart of the team. He is the heart
and soul. And sure there's been instances where he hasn't,
but nine percent of the time he really lifts his
whole team up in a way that is rare.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But also like he's he's a savant, right, Like I
tell you, I geek out like on basketball terminology, like
watching him talk about from Okay, here comes to Iris
can cut, you can flaiscan cut like slip it. Like
he sees things before they.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Happen, and he makes reads and then he can actually
verbalize to people what they should be doing.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Like that does not happen like Lebron can do that.
Steph doesn't really do that, right, Dre does that for staff.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I mean he's low key a point guard, which is.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Why I think Dre loves Bron because there aren't people
that actually see the game that people can geek out to. Yeah,
like Russell Westbrook sees the game, but he's more of
a rereact.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And it happens, right, Dreymond sees it before, sees it
before it happens. Could you see Draymond becoming a coach easily?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I can see Draymond becoming the next head coach in
Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Wow, that was actually think he would be perfect for
something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, totally, no, I see that. Yeah, the grit, that's
definitely Dre's vibe. Okay, next up, who do you think
was the biggest twenty five All Star snub? LaMelo Tree, Young,
Devin Booker, just to list a few.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I mean, Trey is always going to be that person
for me to a degree because it's.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Just a situation.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, Like it's an unfortunate but it's like he always
gets discounted, even though I think he puts up numbers,
but it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Translate yeah as much.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I will tell you though, Like I would say,
that's my biggest nump.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I'm really happy that Tyler made it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Tyler Herro, Yeah, that's a cool one, like.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because he his game has always been that. But there's
all like the Jimmy Butler saga that just exactly overshadows
how good Tyler is. So those are probably I've seen.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Tyler play in person two games this season, and he
is a sniper, Like he is a catch and shoot demon,
Like I haven't seen someone catching and shoot like that
since Clay On, like Clay's prime. He's amazing, And I agree,
like there's you get caught up in that a lot
of the time. People don't realize that there's more to
a team than just their superstar. And I feel like
there's so many players like that that are now getting
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their shots. So that's cool to see.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And also I think Eric Sposer is probably one of
the best coaches, if not the best coach in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
So it's like the.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Combination of like how he's been able to like unleash. Yeah,
like that's a real thing. Like people like, oh, like Jay,
you're a top pick, you should just go into the
NBA and question I'm like, well, actually, my head coach
doesn't give me a vehicle for me to crush it
with their offense.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, because someone needs to give you that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, and player development and how people break you into
that is everything totally.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Okay, So Jay, can you give me your duke all
time starting five? I know you've answered this question so
many times, but I need to hear it now on
slow notes.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
All right, So who this is tough?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Also, feel free to name guys that you want to
come off the bench for. Very inclusive.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So this is like a top eight okay, Okay, So
like one file up question is this, like who I
want to go into battle with? Or like, who are
the all time greatest that I would.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Associating all time greats?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, where you gotta start off with Christian Layner? Of course,
I think lad is there. I would say, I would.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You can obviously put yourself.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Grant Hill Grant Hills there, mm hmm. I'm gonna put
me in there. I'm gonna go jj just because I
think we we talk a lot of tracks to each other.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But I would just love to be in the same backward.
This is a tough one. This is this is really
this is tough. I'd probably go maybe Jason Tatum. Wow
mm hmmm, go Jason Tatum, and I would have Paolo,
I would have Kyrie, and I would have Coop.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Come off the bench knowing that, I mean, he's as
Newton finished his rookie year and you're already putting him there.
That's saying something.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I think that's special. Now, let's talk about some of
the players I made it from right.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Zion.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I love Zion, but like you know, like his career,
that's my dude's durability.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I need that. Who else I leave off? Jabari Parker,
Danny Ferry. I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I'm comfortable with you as well.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I think we're I think we're.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's crazy too, because there's so many guys that if
there's so many times that we could have had this
conversation where we would have thought there was a like
take a Jalil Okafort like five years ago his college year,
we would be saying like, oh, we think he was
going to be in that conversation really doesn't happen. There's
a lot of people like that. I mean, Justice Windle.
There's people that you think when they're here, do I
think that you think that, oh, they're going to be
in that conversation and it just doesn't translate.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I don't think people recognize like like when you when
you're a freshman, right, like the one that had done arra
is interesting, Like I'll tell you that the biggest difference
in my freshman sophomore, Like my freshman year, nobody really
saw me coming. Yeah, right, So like I then became
the person on the skatal report. But like I game momentue,
like when you're come back as that player to then
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like exceed expectations when defenses are specifically outlining their scattering
report just to specifically stop you. There's another level to it, right,
So like when I'm able to watch Grant like build
on that, when I'm able to watch JJ build on that,
Like for me my sophomore year be a national playerer,
win a championship, come back and having a different junior
year like knowing that if you stop me, probability of
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you winning your game is higher, right, but still it
was hard for people to stop me because I play
with other studs.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So what factor that into it?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, no, that's interesting for sure. Okay, So who is
an underrated all time duke player that you don't think
it's a lot of love. People don't talk about a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I'll say Shane Mattier.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think it's just because I think Shane did all
the dirty things defensively that nobody ever really sees nor
do people care. Like, we're going to highlight driven society,
so like when you wake up in the morning you
want to watch hoops, Like you go to your phone,
You're going to all the different highlights of games that happen.
Like they don't show the strips, they don't show the
rotations in the week's ig. They know sort of communication
on the back end of the defense. They don't say, hey,
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slip on the screen or like echoing this Gotter report.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's so many That's.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
What I'm saying though, And that's why JJ and Lebron's
podcast was so dope. Right, Like when you're actually sitting
down and you're hearing all the specific terminology, all the
tactical maneuvers like and how that's being executed while you're
running five and a half miles, like in a twelve
minute quarter, maybe to become ten minute quarters.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
We'll see soon. Like that's not easy to.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Do, No, it is all right. So lastly, I want
to end with two fun sections. So first we're gonna
go with a rapid fire, and then we're gonna do
some j Williams trivia and we're gonna see how well
you know yourself. So starting off with the rapid fire.
Other than Cameron, what is your favorite college basketball arena?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Oh, Dean Smith Center. I used to light their asses up,
so you like it? Just because I feel like I
just went off into a different place.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I feel like I just cursed.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's like the Kobe Mama thing just happened. I'm sorry
if I curse, and I'm not allowed to curse.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'm sorry setting up except for the children. J gosh,
the children. Yeah, we'll believe it. We'll bleep it. Sorry,
we'll put like a nice little like unicorn, sound.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like put like like me and the Kobe is like
all right?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
In five years, who will be the face of the league?
And why.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Five years?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Who is the face of the league and why I
it's toughness.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Not I mean it's gonna be Wimby.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean I have a I have a media company
slash management company with Giannis, And like I watched them
battle the other night.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
That was crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like they're not too many people on this planet where
I'm like, ah, like their size, their length is gonna
give g A a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That dude gives g A a problem.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Did you see that one highlight where like Wemby is
sort of in the corner and he's like spitting around
and he just sort of like throws throws it up.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
And it's like what it's what?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And look like you got to imagine for me too,
Like I am specifically jaded by people like this, Like
my sophomo year, I could leave score earlier. Andone's like, hey,
you're gonna be the first pick in the draft. The
Washington Wizards are the first pick in the draft. Michael Jordan.
You and Jordan the same team. I'm like, I'm like,
this is so incredible.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Coach k is like, look, I think you need to
come back to school, be the first player to graduate
Duke in three years, and you.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Need to learn how to lead a team.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm like, okay, I'll come back, and I come back.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'm like, I'm gonna be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
And all of a sudden, guy's like, here comes a
seven six Chinese person, you know, and it's gonna be
voted into All Star every year. I'm like, come on, really,
out of all the years, that's like the fact that
this dude is like seven six seven seven, but can shoot.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Threes and can move like that. Come on, come on, yeah,
it's over. He's gonna be the face.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, totally. What is the best sports city in the country,
overall sports city.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Overall sports cittery, I mean, football kind of rules for me,
so like if they three p it has to be
Kansas City. Yeah, just and this is football just drives
so many numbers. And I think if we're getting into
the conversation about like Tom Brady's the goat, and I
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know Tom and him I talk about, but if this
dude wins three in a row, he's just the greatest
ever and he's still so young, So like, I guess
you would you would be able to like delineate the
greatest sports city in the world, Like all sports but
knowing how much football dominates, I don't think you're gonna
find a better city for sports in Kansas City right now.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
And I mean, I hate to say it, but it's
now brought in so many different fandoms, Like take Taylor
switch On fandom. Now everyone is a Chiefs fan.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So you think Travis Kelsey will continue to be as
popular if they break up?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, well, if he goes into like a like a
little revenge area and she starts writing like breakup songs
and he starts like going off and like in the
end zone doing some like celebrations, I actually think that
would be cool.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It depends on how they It depends on how.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
They it was just like a mutual like, oh, we
love each other so much, we just are in different
places in life, like and then that's like a SOB story.
But if it's like they're both trying to like be
like vengeful, I think that that's sort of a vibe.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, okay, not the self yeah, vengeful vibe.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, Jay, what is your favorite podcast? There's a pretty
obvious answer here.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I mean it's slow, no, yeah, okay, I mean like
I mean I I kind of geek outs and be
like Malcolm Gladwell and other things so that sort.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
But like, let's just forget about.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Like basketball podcasts. It's only you.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
No, I didn't even know there was other basketball podcasts.
I know, I'd never heard of that. I didn't know
there was other podcasts. I thought it was the first ever.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well you're not only the first, your first and only?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, first and only. Okay, great, I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
We should be the name of the podcast, the.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
First and only ever an eternity podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
And then no, I wouldn't even call it a podcasts simulcast.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's time, yes, okay, but we should call it b
l before Lebron. I don't know this al this is
after Lebron.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Is after Lebron. Already he's still playing.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Well I know, but like he's forty now, it doesn't count.
Oh no, d during Lebron during Lebron.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
THEO has different meanings as well.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, okay, sorry, I let's let's.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Come back and readdress something like this post forty thing.
We gotta and we're gonna be brothers just so we
gotta we gotta work on this, okay, Like forty is
the new thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh cool? So wait, so then seventeen is the new
Does that mean sent to the new ten?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It doesn't work that way when you're below twenty and
you're just start getting a yeah. But you're entering like
the Taylor Swift full woman stage of life. You're you're
you're coming into that.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh, thank you. So when you like, you just become
Taylor Swift, I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
No, No, you will.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, when you become Taylor Swift of the podcast industry.
And see how I did that? How are you going
to continue to make the podcast happen when you're here
at Duke.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh gosh, love this foreshadowing, Jay, Thank you so much. Well,
I think that we can do. First off, we then
that means we can talk to each other even more.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I just want to I just want to be a
part owner of it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh, I can help you.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I can talk to team about that.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
You can talk to Draymond, you know. But no, I
think like what would be really cool and my goal
and my hope is is that Duke has such an
incredible sports culture and that I'm able to really continue
to show that to the world and interview athletes from
various incredible programs. I mean, there aren't many schools out
there that really excel in every single sport like Duke does.
And I want to show that. And I mean, you know,
(37:19):
when the Boozer Twins are here, if Nick Komena, who
I've already interviewed, you know what I mean starting five
for Duke, Yes, we do. I mean that's going to.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Be a little bit more history and homework he does
due diligence.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But if you know, the recruiting classes keep looking like
this and John Shire keeps just killing it with the
five stars, I mean, this is going to be a
pretty fire podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm also thinking outside just to Duke Lane, I'm thinking
about like the national landscape, like if you're going to
become the Oprah for sports entertainment, like we need to
start focusing on a larger cast of a net.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Let's do it. I'm so excited. So that leads me
into my final question, Jay, if I want to nominate it, sorry,
if you could nominate a slow nose guest, who would
it be? And can you help me get the guest?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, I would say that needs to be Stepaniis.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh yeah, I mean that that would be like my goals.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, I think they would I also think it's really
cool to see when you hit a certain level of celebrity,
like the new celebrity will become anonymity, right, Like everybody
wants to showcase everything now, and the more you learn
how to start being discreet, it will give you more
power in the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Otherwise known as nonchalant.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, I mean, no, no, I think.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think, Okay, I don't mean to call you an
older person, but you're older than me, so I didn't
that as an older than me person. I feel like
older than me people don't fully get the meaning of
nonchalant because my definition of nonchalant is like how you're
explaining it, like I'm still like, you know what I mean,
Like you just have to be discreet, like not let
people know your every move, but still come out. And
(38:47):
when you come out, you're powerful, you know what I'm saying.
I'm so glad I can do some charity working give
an older than me person some explanation. I taught you
mogging nonchalant.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I mean I kind of knew what a nonchalant meant. No, No,
I feel like mumb cavalarry is pretty extensive.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
It is actually like half the words you said, I
had no idea what you meant, But I just pretended
like I did. Oh that's the improm Do you think
I'm a good actor?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
That's what that's I do?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Thank you, because I was acting. I had no idea
half the words you were saying.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
You ready want to play a game? Oh, let's play
a level up game.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I say a word, you give me another word that
comes off that word, and we keep going into somebody
messes up?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You ready? Okay? Okay? Chair?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Table stand?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
How does chair work with table?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Well? You wait? Okay, can you re explain the rules? No?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I just want to see where you go next?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
How does chair work with table?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Okay? That's another one.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Every word I say, you have to build off of
that word, all right, So we're gonna build off it.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
We're going to create a story.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Okay, Right, So I'll say a word, then you give
me a story off that word real quick, and then
I'll give you another story off your story.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
We'll keep going. You ready, chair.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Would chopping wood, timber, chopping wood in.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Its fall, building a cabin, sleeping in the cabin, fireplace
in the cabin, roasting marshmallows, camping, Shazowsky, Bill Duke.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
See how we go see everything. Yeah, that's how we go.
That's how we am.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Go. Blue Devils baby bye everyone. Thanks for listening to
this episode of Sloan Notes. You can get links to
my socials and see behind the scenes fun from Jay
and I in the show notes, or just search at
Sloan Notes on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. Remember that's Sloan
to the knee.
Host
Draymond Green
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