The Favorites - NFL Talk with guest Danny Parkins

Popular media personality Danny Parkins returns to the show, joining Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter for a lively conversation about quarterbacks, the torpedo bat, and so much more. Parkins transitioned from a longstanding job on Chicago talk radio to co-hosting a daily long-form television talk show: Breakfast Ball on FS1. This was a huge jump in his national profile, and he discusses the reasoning behind it and how his life has changed. Plus, he gets in a fight with Simon about Jalen Hurts vs Lamar Jackson. #Volume #herd

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
six y five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.
I am Chad Millman or the Action Network, and I'm
joined as always by my cost my companion Mike Campadre
might befa professional better Sigmon Hunter.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
And also I'm in Chad. How are we doing?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I think you know because of where we spent the
weekend that I love a few things more than the
city of Chicago. And today we have a staple of
the Chicago sports scene, who, like so many people from Chicago,

(00:48):
has gone on to incredible heights higher than the Willits
Tower in his career because Chicago sports fans are so
good at turning their fandom him into content and turning
that content into gold. He has now launched into the
nationally prominent role at Fox Sports. You can catch his

(01:11):
beautiful face every morning on Breakfast Ball on FS one,
one of the Windy City's very finest. Welcome back to
the program, Danny parkins, my.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Brother, guys, thank you so much for having me on.
It's the Sears Tower forever. You said beautiful face, so
I know you're lying, but.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Thrill watches this, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
That's true, thank you. And yeah it is true about
Chicago sports fans. They're the best and the content, if
not the winning, they forgot the winning part. But the
content that the teams generate is world class. And the
city is of course as well. What's going on? Boys?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
So we had an event, a live event with listeners.
A few hundred people showed up to Jo's on Weed. Oh, classic, classic, right,
just the best. Every single person when I would mention
we're doing an event at Joe's on Weed, if they
have any connection to Chicago, they'd be like, just the best,
like they've seen.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I got hammered with the old CFO of my company
at a holiday party at Joe at Joe's on Weed.
That was a good time. It also is just like
the bar name lends itself to a good time, but
there is really Weed Street. But they they they lean
into it in every way. Big bar, dive bar, reasonably

(02:34):
priced drinks, the ability for live entertainment. Yeah, very very
very good spot. Seeing some some good music. There, had
some nights that you forget there. It's it's a good time,
very good.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Simon Simon had a night he forgot there. Simon Simon
disappeared probably about two hours before I thought he would disappear.
Do you remember why you disappeared?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Uh? For a woman, But I told you I'm not
a huge drinker, and I literally woke up, went out
of clients, drink mimosas, and then we started boozing that
I don't even know if not we I should say
me like one thirty at this party. Parties start till
four thirty. By the time it hit eight nine o'clock,
I was like, okay, I'm about to start saying things
that I can't say at a company event. So I

(03:19):
made the right move. I got out there at the
right time. I did the I Love you guys on stage,
and then I just disappeared into the.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Crowd, a little irish exit by Simon. I respect that.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
It was an irish so On Friday night, Danny Simon
wanted to go to the White Sox game, and you
know you're the one we told him that would be
a terrible idea. I told you might as well go
to Northern Indiana on the coldest day of the year.
Were we too harsh?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, I mean the food is great, That's what I
want to know.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
For exactly thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, the food is great. The craft beer selection is fantastic.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
You know, my guys out in the one o eight
are really cool. Socks fans are a good time, you know.
So all listen. I could think of worse things to do,
but let's put it this way. I've got a few
weekends already booked to go back to Chicago this summer,
and the White Sox are not on my agenda. So

(04:13):
you know, I could think of other things that I
would do, but if you know, I'm not gonna yuck
your yum. Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla.
There's nothing wrong with it, fair enough, all right.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
As the Flowers, Chad, they're two and two. It was
zero and five.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
There they are two and two. They are pacing to
not be the worst team in the history of baseball.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
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knows his way around the world of betting. You and

(05:16):
I first connected, I think seven eight years ago now
when we were talking betting on various radio shows during
NFL playoffs. You immediately struck me as someone who knew
the language and it was not doing this because, oh,
betting was the way to get famous. We had Chris
Filika on the show the other day and we were
talking about like how things have changed. And for about

(05:38):
two or three years it was just full of people
who want to talk betting to get famous. You come
by it naturally. Yeah, last year. Last year NFL rules changes.
They moved the kickoff kickoff if it wasn't if it
was a touchback, went to the thirty new rule change
as of this week, it goes to the thirty five,

(05:58):
hoping to get more kickoff returns into the game. It's
really a you know, it's quite a penalty there to
get to the thirty five. I felt like going to
the thirty had a huge impact on betting. Do you
feel like a thirty five yard line will have a
huge impact on betting?

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I mean I am in favor just from a
watchability standpoint of figuring out ways to get in more
returns into the game. So I think the thrust of
it is good. But it was you know, with how
hot the kickers started last year in the NFL. You
could get a touchback to the thirty, get two or

(06:40):
three first downs, and then Brandon Aubrey was banging field
goals through fifty five fifty seven yards like it was nothing,
and it was you know, like obviously that makes the
totals go up, and that's a place where you can
see it. You know, you could put more of a
value on teams with strong kickers. I advocated for the
Arena League actually, and like the narrowing of the uprights
because that was like the unintended consequence that I just

(07:02):
didn't like about it was that it made it felt
like it made the goal was to make kickers less impactful,
to make for more returns and exciting plays on special teams,
but it made them matter more because we saw more
field goal attempts, and we saw more long field goal attempts,
and I'm just not interested in that at all, both
from a gambling perspective and a watching the game perspective,
Like if I play fantasy football, I want to play

(07:24):
in leagues that don't have kickers because it just is
just not a part. It's not a fun part of
the game for me. So I do think that anything
that you know is an advantage to the offense, especially
with how kickers are performing nowadays. It's a thing that
will get baked in to the totals probably and it'll
make the expected points in the game go up.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Simon, I think this plays to our advantage.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I do.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I feel like I was already leaning towards regression, meaning
last year was such a heavy favorite team year, we
were worried that could this be a sea change. I
don't think so anymore. As I've been doing some off
season work, I'm starting to think more and more that
this will regress back, and this could have been an anomaly.

(08:15):
And I actually think this plays to our advantage because
I do think there will be more returns and few
and fewer teams who are putting themselves in a position
to have to defend offenses that are starting at the
thirty five yard line.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
And that's the biggest issue chat is that I'm honestly
going the other way. I think it might be more talky.
I just think they did the wrong thing. They should
have pushed it back five yards. I'm moving up another
five because it's like we talked about, all right, a
team gets about the thirty five, right, they get a
first down. Let's say they pick up twelve yards, so
now they're three yards away, four yards away from the fifty.

(08:49):
It's just gonna it's completely changing the game. If you
have a quarterback like Jane Daniels, like you know my
Homes whoever, You're gonna keep going for on the fourth
downs if you're at midfield because it's just worth the risk, right,
And we already talked about it. These teams with these
great quarterbacks, they're happy to trade fourth down failures for
their team kicking threes right, the other team gets the
ball the midfield, the kick a field goal. That's a

(09:10):
win for them, Like they're gonna get the ball back
and they might get it back again at the thirty five.
So to me, I'm gonna be really busy the next
two three days check because a a lot of books
have already put out there. They're basically divisional odds. I'm
gonna be taking heavy positions on favorites like the Bills,
the Chiefs, the Houston, these teams that you know, we
already think they're the best in the division. These these

(09:32):
to me, this kickoff only helps those teams that have
the great quarterbacks versus the teams that do not like
the difference to these quarterbacks. Now we've seen it now
like we had the date after last year's season, these
teams were just so willing to go for I mean,
I can't tell you how many times teams won for
a chat on their own forty, on their own thirty
eight when they're winning, Like we never seen that in
the history of football. We saw the multiple times happen

(09:54):
last year, it's going to be even more extreme to me.
So yeah, very very unique time perer living in right now.
Check because they're just doing these little little rule changes.
But it's becoming a big deal for someone like me
and you that we love betting dogs. I fucking hate
betting favorites, and we have to bet favorites. I'm telling you,
we just we're gonna have to suck it up, brother
and just bet favorites.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I think that's such an old school thought though, Like
I hate betting favorites. Why if they win, just like
you just have to know the trend right Like it
used it used to be that it was fun to
bet dogs because you know, if if your premise holds right,
Like I, I don't care what side I'm on as
long as I think it's the winning side. Like if
the value is in laying six because the spread should

(10:35):
be seven and a half, I have no problem with that.
Like I think, like you know, it used to be
like Scott van Pelt was like fade the public, and like, sure,
that's a good idea in the aggregate, like bet underdog. Sure,
But I think to your point, maybe that's not gonna
be the case for the next five years. I certainly
wish that I had had more chalky picks in my

(10:56):
NCAA tournament survivor pools and my brackets, you know what
I mean, Like there's something too recognizing where the trend
is going, Like it's an obvious point, Like I know
this is what you're talking about, but like what's happened
in college basketball right now with the nil money being
spread out amongst the Power five schools, so the smaller
schools just don't have the money to keep the players.

(11:17):
It makes perfect sense that this would be a year
where the SEC and the Big ten in conferences like
that would dominate and advance their teams. And so I
wish that I had thought of that and like taking
a harder position on it. But you know, Houston's done
well for me, and like, you know, I'm doing okay,
but it's I am not as beholden to like the

(11:39):
smart play is backing the underdog. I'm not sure the
smart play is to know where the trend of the
sport is going. Because I had a great year in
the NFL last year, like sixty five percent on the show,
and people would my mentions like gambling Twitter was in
my mentions, Oh, you're laying the wood on three favorites
in week fourteen, And then I'm like, yeah, have you
seen how the season's been going? And then I'd go

(12:00):
three and oh, and then of course it's crickets. Like
I just I think you gotta be nimble with that,
with that sort of thinking, and if you're right and
there's edge here on if favorites being undervalued again, I
wouldn't hate it, I'd cash it.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But that's that's the problem though, it's not I mean,
you know, Danny, it's not this easy, like that's that's
the show. Like I'm in line at the book. The
guy in front of me is like, yeah, I got
the Ravens this week, I got the Eagles, I got
the Bills, and I got you know, the Chiefs. All right.
Back in the day, that guy would be lucky to
go to and two. He was going four and oh
every other week Like that does not happen on the spread.
Like usually the books catch up to those guys, so

(12:38):
they know the public's gonna bet those high teams. But
like the books gonna catch up to it, neither could
me and Chat. Because Me and Chat have made a
living betting on the Panthers. We made a living betting
on the Raiders. Like these teams that suck with bad quarterbacks,
But like you just talked about, the game has changed
so much because these teams now are just like, fuck it,
we'll go for it on fourth down on our own
forty because if we fail here, we'll stop them. They'll

(12:59):
kick a three, we'll get back, We'll go get drive
the field, get another seven. Like it's just totally changed.
I'm with you, it's just I'm trying to catch up
to it because I don't mind betting favorites. It's just tough.
Me and you have to give five picks every week,
and the weeks we picked four favorites to one dog
Me and Chad both feels sick to our stomach, even
if it does win. It just feels unnatural to us
because we've both been doing this for for fifteen years

(13:19):
and we're just.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Trust me, trust me, I feel you, but go four
and one on your favorites. I don't give them.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Look historically, historically you want to be on the same
side as the sports book. That to me, is where
we ultimately want to end up. It's hard to be
on the same side as the sports book when the
sportsbook doesn't want to be on the side of the favorites,
because that means that everybody is on the same side, right,

(13:52):
And so how do we reconcile going into a year
where we want to be ahead of the tend also
knowing that there's been one or two years in the
history of sports betting against the spread where like you,
you haven't won if you were on the same side

(14:12):
at the sportsbook. I think that's the bigger sort of
mind meld that we have to get into.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I think that's right. I just you know, you don't
know what the trend is going to be at the
beginning of the year, and trends can change and all
of that. So you know, put your numbers out and
then if you if you again, if you if you
think it should be seven and a half and it's six,
lay the six. You know, if you if you think
it's it should be four and a half and it's six,

(14:44):
take the plus six like it's it's a It's the
simplest I think that, like going in with a completely
overarching strategies, you know, you want to have positions, you
want to have beliefs. You want to believe in teams,
but you also got to just like watch the games
and trust your eyes, like and like adapt to it quickly,

(15:04):
like if you would if you caught on early last
year with Washington, You're like, oh, yeah, this is real,
Like this isn't flukey, Like you can you can snipe
some opportunity in that spot. So I don't know what
the story of this year will be. I doubt it
will be favorites again to your point, but there will
be some team out there that covers as a favorite
a bunch, and there will be some team out there

(15:25):
that covers as a dog a bunch like, so like
it's not you know what I mean, it's not You
don't have to be like I am on team fade
the public, or I am on team Favorite, or I'm
on team underdog. Like I think that there are within
the course of a of a season, a team, a
stretch of time, there are just opportunities out there. But
it's obviously, listen, betting the NFL is the hardest thing

(15:47):
to do. It's the sharpest thing in the world. So
it's very, very very difficult to just literally, to use
your phrase, make a living like I don't know if
you're being accurate or not, like, but like, you know what,
I mean, to actually like make a living betting the
NFL exclusively is almost impossible.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
So now you've got a big time TV job.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I do not make it a living betting the NFL.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
That's right, Because you've got a big time TV job.
You can't give that up. When you were in Chicago
doing Chicago radio, it was to me the most natural fit,
like a Chicago guy who loves Chicago, loves Chicago sports.
How do you go through the process, deciding process of deciding,

(16:33):
all right, I'm going to take my shot, I'm going
to move, I'm going to take my family. We're going
to leave this very comfortable life where you can make
a very good living for a very long time to
go on TV and have to talk about everybody.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I wasn't worried about the talking about everybody thing. Like
I think that that's like way overstated from outside of
the industry. Like obviously I miss some of the subject
matter of the radio show, but I didn't like some
of the subject matter of the radio show too, Like
talking about a bad baseball team in June is not fun.

(17:10):
I'd rather talk NBA playoffs, and I'd rather talk NFL transactions,
and you know what I mean, that sort of thing.
So like the subject matter, Yeah, I wish I could
do more Bears, but I do some Bears, and I
have other outlets for that sort of thing. That that
that piece of it was not even a factor at all.

(17:30):
I like new challenges. This was very unexpected, the TV situation,
Like I thought I was going to do afternoons in
Chicago for forever. To your point, I was making a
good living and I would have been happy there. But
there's also just man, there's the there's the brass tacks
of I have a five year old and assume to
be three year old, and I like taking nice vacations

(17:50):
and playing golf at expensive golf courses. Like the radio world,
like all of this stuff is changing and in many
cases shrinking, And so I had to be honest with
myself of like, in five years, am I making more
money and bigger, making the same amount of money and

(18:15):
as relevant or making less money and less relevant if
I stayed at my current spot versus going on national
TV obviously making more money and being less relevant in
one place but more relevant in everywhere else. And it

(18:36):
was a pretty obvious decision when you just put it
through the calculus of like, my job is to provide
for my family. So it was, you know, there are
things that I miss about radio. I I'll do hits
on the Score. I'm hosting my radio thon on the
Score this summer. I still have great relationships with all
the people there. I filled in for mad Dog on

(18:59):
Mad Dog Sports Radio. When we do that again this summer,
you know, so I still get to scratch the radio itch.
And who knows where my career goes or where the
industry goes. But I mean, just on like the brass
tacks of the bottom line, it was it was not
a difficult decision.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Do you feel like the relevance has changed? Can you
Is there a tangible feeling from being on television on
FS one that you experience on a daily basis? That
is is it social media? Is it people stopping on
the street? How does it? What does it look like?

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Well, I mean, like I'm so new to TV compared
to radio that like, you know, I definitely get like
stopped on the street more in Chicago than I do
in New York City, just based on like years of
time spent and like the consolidation of your audience in
one place versus now it's in so many different places
and so consumed on digital and all of that. But like,
but Nick Wright gets stopped in one hundred countries, you

(20:01):
know what I mean. Like, so like there's a there's
a there's a pathway to that part. But again, I'm
happy to sit at home and play golf and like
that's not that doesn't really do it for me, but
like that you definitely feel listen, radio is super personal.
You're in people's cars. It's like very like one on one.
You know, I can talk about my kids, I can

(20:21):
talk about embarrassing failures around the house. Like they know
you better in radio then they will ever know you
more personal level on television. And so like that connection
is definitely something that I miss. And in radio, we
had a text line, you know, so like a live,

(20:42):
interactive text chat with your audience that is absolutely not
something that exists on television. So yes, like if you
want to get a thought to me on my sports
take on television, you've got to be watching it live
and then tweet to me. And I have to check
my mentions in a commercial break. It is three and

(21:05):
a half minutes when I'm getting ready for the next segment,
and I'm sitting next to Marshal Earth and Craig Carton,
and I got a producer in my ear, and I
got makeups being touched with you know what I mean,
I am not really interacting with an audience while live
on television. As you can choose how much you want
to like consume the feedback to TV. It's like they
post clips on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok or wherever,

(21:28):
like and if I if I opt in to the
feedback by reading the comments, then I can get some
of it. But like it's also a lot easier to
remove yourself from the critique and feedback of your content
on television, which is like pretty healthy, honestly. So I

(21:49):
again to be clear, I'm talking about both sides of
my mouth. Like I miss some of the relevancy and
the live interaction and the live feedback of radio. It's
exhilarating where it's like you're getting live feedback where people
are making jokes, participating with your topics and like participating
in it and building Like that's the beauty of radio.

(22:11):
So that is not something that exists on television, obviously,
but it's a lot healthier to just like, here's the topic,
here's the topic, prepare for the topic, do the best
job you can on the topic, and then keep it
moving Like that is a much healthier way to interact
with feedback because then the majority of the feedback that

(22:32):
you do get in real life is someone coming up
to you on the street and being like, hey, what's up, man?
I love the show, love your work. Can I get
a picture as opposed to some of the crazy negative
shit that you'll get on social media, which, to be clear,
I still get I get a lot of it, but
you have to. If you get it, you're seeking it out,
and so then it's like, well, you can't let it

(22:53):
bother you. I seeked it out. If I didn't want it,
I could just ignore it. So I hope that answered
your question. But it's very different.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, well it's fascinating, and you're right about the radio stuff.
There is an intimacy there.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Oh it's the best.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's going for so much longer. You've got to fill
so much time. Your tone is different, it's not as
performative as television.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, there's something not as performative, I think is like
a negative connetition. There's definitely a performance to television, no doubt.
I would say that there's a performance to good radio also,
But it's it's just you've got four hours a day,
five days a week local radio, especially Bears, Cubs, Bulls,

(23:42):
White Socks, issues that affect Chicago are your main subject matters.
But some days it's like, all right, it's May nineteenth.
The Cubs are two games over five hundred, the White
Sox are nine games on there, the Bears haven't done anything,
the Bulls and the Blackhawks are eliminated, and it's like,
let's tell a story about parenting, you know what I mean,

(24:05):
and just try to be funny and relatable. Or let's
talk to your producer about his new girlfriend. Or the
way to make a perfect steak and how he taught
me how to use a cast iron and then I
washed it with soap and he took the cast iron
that he gave me back, like because I had, you know,
desecrated the art of the cast iron. Or how I
had my nanny push my car out of the snow

(24:27):
because she was stronger than me, like you know what
I mean, Like I can't get these stories off on TV,
and so that it's the it's the it's the personal
nature of talking about your brother with brain cancer, talking
about your new child, talking about the stupid argument you
got in with your wife, like all of that is

(24:47):
super relevant on radio and in some ways in podcasting,
and there's just no lane for it when we're talking
about where Aaron Rodgers's next team is going to be.
I do I do miss that, to be clear, but
it's I don't miss it enough to like be like
I took the wrong job, like I you know what

(25:08):
I mean, I'm fine. I'm fine with that. The way
is something that is different.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Do you have an opinion on where Aaron Rodgers should
go at this point, it's it's basically the Steelers are nothing.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, I mean I said the Steelers at the you know,
with like a week to go in the regular season,
because my whole thing on Rogers was he just dominates
the news cycle so much that it's exhausting talking about
him if he's on a bad team. And apparently it's
impossible for the Steelers to be bad, like they can't

(25:42):
win in the playoffs, but at least they will play
games that are on Monday night, Sunday night, Thursday night,
and they will win more than fifty percent of them
because Mike Tomins never had a losing year and so
at least you can like justify talking about Aaron Rodgers
and Mike Tomlin. It will be interesting, like the Jets
stopped being interesting in Week four. And so the Steelers, Okay,

(26:02):
we'll get two games against Burrow, we'll get two games
against Lamar. He'll go to Chicago to play the Bears.
The Packers will go to Pittsburgh. Like Aaron Rodgers and
the Steelers will be worth our collective attention and oxygen
if he's in Pittsburgh. And it was, I mean, it
was just such a waste of time with all the

(26:22):
amount of time we spent talking about the guy with
the injured season and then five wins last year that
I kind of like grew to resent it. So Pittsburgh
is where I want him to go because I know
as long as he's playing, we're gonna be talking about him.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Have you come to a consensus on the Chicago Bears
winning the offseason and what that means for the.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Third straight year, by the way, for this was the
you know they talked about the Chiefs not being able
to three peat. There's an active three peat there is.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Actually, thank you.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
When we were in Chicago, you know so many Bears fans,
and every single conversation I had was we won the
off season. And I'm like, you know what, we won
the off season When two years ago I bet him
at fifty to one to win the Super Bowl it
got down to twenty to one. I'm like, I am

(27:19):
so ahead of the market. This is our year, DJ
Moore is the exact solution for Justin Fields. Didn't happen
last year. I didn't get ahead of it. I did
not bet the Bears over eight and a half wins.
I was never disappointed because I had very low expectations.
This year, I'm trying really hard. I am like, really

(27:42):
trying to be the smart, thoughtful Bears fan who doesn't
get ahead and believes that all of a sudden we
fixed everything because we spent money on a coach.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
What kind of way is that to live? You know
it's out listen for gambling purposes. That's totally fine, and
this is a gambling podcast. So faith fading Bears optimism
is a very profitable strategy historically, so I have So
from that standpoint, I want to be very clear I
support fading Bears optimism, like feel free to take your unders,

(28:19):
but like man, life is too short to not believe
that the next solution could be the one that's dumb.
Like I wanted the Bears to draft to Sean Watson,
they drafted Mitch Trubisky. We ended up both being wrong.
They should have taken Patrick Mahomes. Yes, then I wanted
them to trade up for Justin Fields. I supported that trade.

(28:41):
I had. I threw a QB one party celebrating the
arrival of the Bears having a franchise quarterback after he
had one hundred and seventy five rushing yards against the Dolphins.
That was a very exciting game. In hindsight, I should
have been a little bit more measured because it was
a rushing performance passing performance. But like what if you
then be like, well, I can't fall for Caleb Williams

(29:03):
because of Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields. It's like, well
that's boring. That's then you're defeated. Then you may as
well go be a you know, go go be a
Lions fan, Go go go be a commander's fan, Like,
that's that's that's dumb. So from the gambling standpoint, I'm
here for the citizens. When I hear my guy big
Cat being like, oh, I'm not six out of ten excitement,

(29:26):
I'm not going above six out of ten excitement, I'm like, why, Like,
that's that's part of the fun of fandom, Colin was
you know fan is short for fanatic, Like it's you
gotta you gotta fall for it. If you don't fall
for it, you honestly shouldn't watch sports. You should just
stop watching sports.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Here's what I think we have going for us. I
think the fact that ownership, and this is terrible to say,
but the fact that Virginia McCaskey passed away, I think
changes some of the feelings around the team and how

(30:06):
this team is managed and who knows what happens next.
Don't give me that face, because that has been that
The McCaskey family's ownership of this team has been a
challenge since nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Sure, the Bengals were the Bungles and then they got
Joe Burrow, Like they didn't become the ownership did become good.
They just got Joe Burrow. That's it, That's all that happened.
They got Joe Burrow. The Chiefs didn't win a single game,
one regular season game with a quarterback that they drafted

(30:44):
from Todd Blackledge to Patrick Mahomes. That was the Like
now they won, you know, Trent Green Joel Montana out.
But like things change, things change, And so I think, listen,
I think that Kevin Warren and the BIS side paying
Ben Johnson a bunch of money is obviously a departure

(31:06):
from their history with coaches. I think that's totally fair.
But Matt Nagy was a hot coaching candidate. They hired him.
John Fox had won a Super Bowl and was relatively
expensive for the time they had hired him. Like, they
haven't gotten it right at coach and quarterback my entire life.
That's impossible. It's an Now you can say, well, the

(31:29):
common thread there, dummy, is the McCaskey family. And I'm
with you on that, like to a certain extent. But
I just think that like, if Caleb Williams is awesome
and Ben Johnson is awesome, Virginia McCaskey could have lived
to be one hundred and forty and the Bears would
have been awesome. Like, you know, I really do think that,

(31:50):
like you have to get your quarterback and your coach,
and then everything else you can kind of figure out.
And I'm cautiously optimistic that they have their quarterback coach.
But again, I've felt that way before, cautiously Matt Maggie.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Higher, cautiously optimistic or rapidly over the top having a
good time optimistic.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, so here's the other part about it now, Like
I there are some people in our line of work,
we'll say my line of work the opinion space, more local.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Professional capital j journalist over here.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know you're handicappers. You got
Simon saying that he's made a living batting the Carolina Panthers.
Not positive that's exactly true. But we'll see. Uh. I
some people are not willing to like make a prediction
on the front end and be wrong, Like they're like, well,
I'll just like kind of play it down the middle,

(32:46):
and like there are literally hosts that I have worked
with in Chicago. I don't make predictions. I don't pick games.
It's like, man, I am totally comfortably being wrong because
I've gambled my whole life, Like I, I know that
you could be great at this and be four out
of ten times. So Ryan Poles has done a lot
of the things that I said I wanted him to

(33:07):
do on like the front end. You know, I wanted
them to draft Caleb Williams. I wanted them to draft
Roma doonsay. I said they should have taken Jalen Carter
instead of Darnell Wright. I wanted them to take George
Pickens instead of Jakwan Brisker. I wanted them to hire
Ben Johnson, like so, you know, a couple of picks
he didn't do, but the big ones he did, so,
Like I I feel like they're doing this the right way.

(33:32):
They upgraded their offensive line significantly in the off season.
Kayleb Williams got sacked sixty two times last year, and
he was actually pretty good. Like if you look at
I did it on the show. If you do quarterbacks
who have been sacked sixty or more times like those seasons,
and then you look at their touchdown interception ratio and
passer rating, his is the best by far. Now it's

(33:54):
not good players. It's David Carr's. You know. Randall Conningham
was awesome, but his season where he got sack sixty
times wasn't and a couple of other guys who had
disaster seasons, like I think for the fact that that
happened to him as a rookie. They fired his head coach,
they fired his play caller. They lost ten straight games,
including in some just ridiculous fashion like that Hail Mary.

(34:17):
And he's still at the end of it, started seventeen games,
showed toughness, showed poise, showed improvement, and only threw six picks.
Like I think he's a stud man, I really do.
And Ben Johnson was the best coach they could have hired.
So I'm as optimistic as I am allowed to be.
I'm not picking them to win the Super Bowl, but

(34:38):
in terms of the long term outlook of the Bears,
I think they're clearly still a bye. Like I think
that their next five years are going to be very
good and they're going to win a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, now I'm turning it up to eleven.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I was saying, like, what other than the uniform is
cursed and it just never works out, and so I
should just be cynical because that's my nature, Like what
about the Bears do do we not like?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I feel like that's enough.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
See, I disagree. I feel like losing money every day
on the twenty sixteen Cubs.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I love the twenty sixteen Cubs.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
That is a why. I know why they had never
won before. They were cursed.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and then they got over it. So you're saying
that the Bears will get over this. I'm saying I'm
gonna in twenty sixteen. My enthusiasm for the Cubs built
over the course of a season. My enthusiasm for the
Bears will build over the course of the season.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
But yours. Okay, See this is again where we disagree.
Coming off of twenty the twenty fifteen Cubs, they won
ninety seven games. They're a good team. Yeah, so now
the band say they were not a good team. The
Bears have going for that.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Let me let me give you some context. And I
know Simon wants to jump in here because he wants
to hear about something other than the Bears. But let
me give you context right now. What you just you
just talked about your beautiful family and wanting to provide
for your family. Let me give you a scene. Okay,
it's two thousand and three, my first son is three

(36:15):
months old. I'm living in Manhattan, Midtown on the East
Side on fifty seventh Street between Lex and Third. My
wife is sleeping. It's eleven o'clock at night. I've got
my son sleeping on my chest, and bartment happens like
I've got the scars over a lifetime where I will

(36:37):
not be enthusiastic until it's time to be enthusiastic.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Ohhen I was in high school, I almost cried. Okay,
Like I understand I was way too old to be
crying or a verge of tears over a sporting event.
But my point is is if you have given up hope,
then just trade stocks and go to the theater, like
there's no reason to care about sports given up hope.

(37:01):
It's unscripted. We don't know what's going to happen. And
I don't believe in magic or curses or goblins, so
I don't believe that just like inherently the Bears are
cursed because they haven't won a Super Bowl in my lifetime.
That's I've seen too many other teams, including the Cubs,
overcome it so and change reputations alone. Now listen, would

(37:22):
this be a lot easier to say if Cayleb Williams
just had the season that Jayden Daniels had, Yes it would,
Yes it would. But that's why you need people like
me on that wall to be optimistic in the face
of overwhelming negativity and pessimism from cynics like Chad Millman.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, when I think about happening and I think about optimism,
I'm thinking about Danny Parker's the first right, It's the
first thing I said.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's right about. That's right. No, I'm not a cold hearted,
sarcastic son of a bitch. I'm a I'm a I'm
a cock eyde optimist.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
By the way, give it time, your TV star, you're
living You're not living in the Midwest anymore. Give it time, Simon,
those win super Bowls all the time.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well just still even piggyback off that real quick, Chad,
Like I always wondered people on TV, like, all day
I think about football. Honestly, even at night, I'm thinking
of football. Someone like you, are you always thinking about
hot takes? Or do you just say shit on TV?
And then later someone's like, oh, that was a hot take.
You don't even thinking about you just said it that happened.
Do you pre playing that stuff because sometimes, I mean,

(38:22):
I've seen it, You've come across my timeline just because
I'm an Eagles fan, I've seen your Jalen Hurt stakes.
We don't need to get into that. There's enough enough
enough time here to get into it.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
But do you plan that we got get into it.
Would you trade Jalen Hurts for Josh Allen? Would I
trade Jalen Hurts for Josh Allen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Then we're fine. Then we're on the same argument. Okay,
And your Eagle fan brethren who said that that was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Can you know we're defensive right now about Jalen You
know it is, Yeah, I know, but.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Like people have gone insane, you guys have gone insane. No,
we've gone into a polarizing thing to say that the
would trade Jalen Hurts for Josh Allen. That was defensive
to Eagles fans.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Most Eagles fans get upset about people still think justin Herbert,
they would take him over Jalen Hurts. And here's a
question for you, what's the point if you if your
if your goal is just to make to the playoffs
and then lose because your quarterback throws fore interceptions. They're
just dog shit like Herbert. That was a bad point.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
That was a bad game. It's it's it's it's definitely
tough to make that argument that playoff game. But but
I am. I am genuinely curious you brought up Jalen Hurts.
I'm genuinely curious if you thought if you switched him
and you put Jalen Hurts on the Chargers, do you
think they're in that playoff game?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, with that coaching staff and that defense.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, and you think the Eagles do not win the
Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
No, because he just he's not that guy. Like as
much as I love to think, yes, the Eagles were
an incredibly complete team.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, Like that's what I don't understand, Like Eagles fan,
It's like I feel like when you say that, you're
actually like undercutting how good your team is. Like you
guys don't even realize it, Like you see it as
defense of your quarterback. And I actually take it as
an insult to Howie Roseman and Jordan Malatta and Landon
Dickerson and Jalen Carter and Cooper deu Gene and Quinn

(40:19):
Mitchell and Saquon Barkley and DeVante Smith and eight J. Brown,
like on and on and on down the line. It's
it's not an insult to say that your quarterback is
a tough gamer who doesn't lose you guys games and
plays his best in the biggest games, but that fifteen
guys would win a Super Bowl on that team because

(40:40):
that's how good your team is. That's not an insult
to Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's not by I disagree with it, just because every
year the best team usually doesn't win in football, and
it's because it's tight the playoffs. I mean, we've all
played sports. We know it is like everyone gets tight
and it's really mental when you get to that point
because the level everyone's playing it so high. Listen, we
love Jared Golf on this show. That guy had a

(41:04):
great team in Detroit on paper, just as good as
this Eagles team. I mean, you could say, well, is
defense had a ton of injuries. Okay, this guy threw
three interceptions and a pick six against that Washington defense.
Defense lit up.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
So what happened to Mahomes in the Super Bowl? Did
he just like mentally wilt?

Speaker 4 (41:20):
He?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
He did in some ways like if you go back
and watch.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
It, well, right, okay, fine, but but but it's not
because he's not mentally strong enough to win, right.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Uh No, no, no, like in his career, No, he's
always over his team wasn't good enough. Yeah, but that
was just like his ship. His ship was taking on
so much water. It didn't matter how much he was
thrown out. It was like he couldn't stop it. Right,
that was just never ending, the amount of the leak.
But I just think that the hurts thing. Like we
talked about as an Eagles fan, I think that's why
we get so defensive. It's like people think it's just

(41:51):
because of the team, and it's like, no, he makes
these big time throws in these big time moments that
I would say ninety of the quarterbacks playing the league
right now cannot make and have never made. So you know,
I have fun with it because it's never made. Okay, Yeah,
Like people want to push back on it, like like
the the fans I hear the most from just because
how big our show is, our Cowboys fans, and I

(42:13):
have fun with it because it is fun. Like I
love how passionate Cowboy fans are, and because they're just
like Eagles. We're fucking crazy about our teams, and I
joke with them all the time. Dak go through his career,
he's had some incredibly talented teams down in Dallas. The
man has won two playoff games in his career. Why
because he's not mentally right for the playoffs. Like, it's

(42:34):
just that it's that big of a difference that something
small goes wrong for certain quarterbacks and they can't recover
from We're Jalen Hurts. In my lifetime as an Eagles fan,
it's crazy to say he's the best quarterback we've ever had, man,
And that's why I think Eagles fans are so defensive,
because we've just had shit our whole life. At the
quarterback Nick nick Foles.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, but even you would joke like Nick Foles that,
I mean, he's got to be just like the mentally
toughest guy ever, right, because you want to see Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I believe he is. He's one. He's one of two
quarterbacks in NFL history that beat Tom Brady in the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Right, So okay, right, but so okay, But so that
But again, you're not taking any credit for the Eagles
organization in that spot, of course I am.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I say how he's the greatest GM a million times over. Okay,
but that's why I like, like, you guys are talking
about your head coach, I've been dead wrong. I'm over too.
When Eagles head coaches have won Super Bowls. I did
not like the Doug Peterson higher, I did not like
Sirianni both won ring. So it's like, I do think
coaching is important, but like you're we're talking about here,
it's it's top down, right, It starts at the GM,

(43:38):
starts with the ownership of team building, the right quarterback
to write a coach. So that's just, you know, the
the push against the Eagles that you know they're the
best team that any They could put a trash can
back there and they would have won the Super Bowl.
It's just I think as an Eagles fan, we just
think it's all insane because.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
It's just a straw man.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
No one has you think you think Tua two would
come to the fill off fian won a Super Bowl
with this past teams who said that, that's what people
are saying. That's what I mean. Who Nick right? He
did not say that, but he didn't he had jail
Hurts outside his top fifteen, and he had two in
his top fifteen. So that's that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
It's like it's I don't know next Knicks gambling in
Vegas right now, but like.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I did not have to go check out him talking
in August last year he was not a fan of
Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Okay, well, okay, First of all, God, Eagles fans are
so sensitive. I thought you guys were tough. I thought
Eagles fans.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Were not sensitive. We just remember the haters like talking.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
About just won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
He he's since August, He's he's won you say since August,
he's won fourteen. He's won eighteen football games, including Super
Bowl MVP. A lot has changed since August.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Although that's said, if that's said, I would look, I'm
not a huge Jalen Hurts fan. I think he's amazing,
but like.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
He's him outside his top ten headed into the season.
Just so we're all the same.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
What I right now, right now, have Jalen Hurts as
a guy, as a better I don't want to have
the ball. If I have bet against his team as
a top five would I rather have Jalen Hurts over
Matthew Stafford. If I've bet against Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like both you guys have you guys would have Jade
Daniels ever Hurts? Correct, Yes, Okay, Jayden Daniels is one
year younger than Hurts and he's playing in the NFL
for one year. Hurts has played for five years. Yeah,
And that's my issue is people think Jane Daniels is
a better quarterback now than Hurts because of one good year,
rather than a guy who's played for five years, has

(45:47):
been the two Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Spl Dude, it's a team sport, it is, But the
quarterback position the worst position the mouse would you say?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You say, it's a team sport, but we all agree
that quarterback is the most important position.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, of course. Okay, so but okay, in basketball, you're
one of five on the court and you play for
forty of forty eight minutes. So one in basketball has
a huge impact. Obviously, one in football has a huge impact.
But it's not like that slice of the pie is smaller,

(46:26):
even if it's the biggest slice of the pie. But
it's smaller because coaching matters more, because it's eleven on eleven,
because you're on the field for you don't play offense
and defense, right, Like a quarterback is the most is
the biggest slice of the football impact pie. But it
is smaller than Joker to the Nuggets, right to Jannis

(46:48):
to the Bucks, to Lebron to the Lakers. Right. We
all understand that. So having the best offensive line, the
best I mean, number one in some defensive categories last year.
But we'll say a top five defense, is that fair
for the Eagles last year? The top five defense? Yeah,
top five defense, best offensive line, best running back, top

(47:12):
three wide receiver duo, top five wide receiver duo, like
top five weapons, top one offensive line, top five defense.
That's not what Jaden Daniels had.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Okay, if you want to go that way, then what
about Lamar? Last year? Lamar had the number one team
in my model, and everyone's a model, it's a professional better.
He lost at home to the Chiefs. Couldn't score more
than seventeen points at home. I mean, that's that's my thing.
You're like, we all.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Agree, were just talking about we were just talking about
Jayden Daniels v. Jalen Hurts. Yeah, because you want to
talk about Lamar, we can talk about Lamar because you
just talked about how much of a team sport it was.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
And my whole pushback to you was, Lamar had a
better team on paper in that Eagles team last year. Brother,
like anyone you talked to as a model, that team
from two years ago, that home Ravens team that lost
to the Chiefs who were a four seed, that were bad,
That was not a good team that won that Super
Bowl against that FORIYDN and Iris team, right, Lamar laid
an egg And you could say, well, okay, we'll put

(48:11):
that on Lamar. But Lamar had a better team than
Eagles and he laid an egg at home against that
Chiefs team.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
You're saying, saying the Ravens team of two years ago
was better than the Eagles team of last year?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Is your plot if you if you as a professional
better than models it out? Yeah, they're high.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay, I just want to I just want to be
sure I'm understanding. You're talking about two years ago Ravens
team and last year's Eagles team and then doing two
years ago Lamar Jackson against last year Jalen hurts no,
because it's it's that's not exactly apples to apples and
so like, and again.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Using one that just said the best team right, Okay, the.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Best team doesn't always win, but one data point of
single elimination, like that's why, that's why extrapolating out and
being like he wilted in this playoff game, it still
is just one game again, difference with basketball the most
important game, yes, the most important game.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I think people in media, I
feel like you guys are missing the point here where
it's like Lamar and no one's doubting Lamar is a
better quarterback than Jalen Hurts. Right, me and Chat will
do our top ten, we'll have Lamar above him. But
my whole issue is like Hurts doesn't give the credit
for what he does. Is in the playoffs, he makes
it all work. He doesn't will He isn't like.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
I just got I got like honestly, like so is
saying Jalen Hurts is the seventh best quarterback in football
after being the Super Bowl? Is that like disrespectful?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
It depends you have above him. Like if you had
Stafford above him, I have no issue with that. If
you have Justin Herbert above him, I have an issue
with that.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Mahomes Allen Lamar Burrow Stafford. Uh, Like, yeah, I would.
I would say that Jade and Daniels is better. Again
isolating performances, I mean, because like we've have one. We
have one year and he won what three playoff game
or two two playoff games? Sure in one year with

(50:00):
a with a worst team. But like so, like he
he was mentally tough enough to not wilt in the
first two games, but then he was mentally weak in
the NFC Championship game. Like I just don't do my
analysis off of like one game like that, Like Jalen
Hurts is a gamer.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
But you that's my issue is you are doing it
off one game.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
He was the Super Bowl MVP. That changes things.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
But that's what I'm saying is you're giving him his
flowers now because of one game that you're missing the
whole point.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
He was No, No, he was also awesome in the
first Super Bowl. Yes, the first thing I said about
Jalen Hurts was he's a gamer. He plays the he
plays his best in the biggest games. That was the
first thing I said about him. But I don't you
but you just said you still would say Lamar is
better than him, who doesn't play his best in the
biggest games.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Right, because Richard's because because of the sail. What I said, Yeah,
for regular season, we're saying, when you are a top two,
who is the better quarterback? Yeah, this position, Lamar ja
the quarterback. Of course he's a two time MV, but
he wilts.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
In the biggest games, the most important games.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
So that's the tough part, is like, I wouldn't. I'd
rather have hurts than I will Lamar.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
No, you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I would.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
No, that's no way, No, you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
You guys don't know about winning. You're talking to a
winner here.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I would because I've seen the moments man. Like again,
I've made a ton of money fading Lamar in the
playoffs and every year I got to hear from Ravens
fans saying you're gonna get caught. We're different this year,
the team is different. Oh we got Derrick Henry. It's different.
It's never different. It's always been the same, and that
someday he'll break through, right, Peyton Mann eventually broke through.

(51:39):
He got over that hump that is Tom Brady, Like
I'm sure josh Alla will go over the hump that
is Patrick Mahomes. It's just as an Eagus fans, I
think that's what we're so annoyed about is just the
Hurts disrespect was just so insane coming into the season
because he had one down year where all these other
guys can have just a bunch of nothing years like okay,
good regular season, playoffs time come and they fall there.

(52:00):
So that was just my biggest issue, Danny.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I think, yes, sorry, it's very sensitive.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Here's what I'm hoping for, But I love it.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
That's why I love the jail. It hurts the big
because it's it's funny because I can see it from
both sides.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Here's what I would like, Danny, for you and I. Yeah,
I would like for you and I to have the
opportunity to be a sensitive and defensive about Caleb Williams
after he's won two Super Bowls, as Eagles fans can
be about Jalen Hurts and.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
This way, how what what rules do you think the
NFL is going to have to change to counterbalance Caleb
Williams's greatness, like like banning the tush push.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
That's right, but I can't even imagine right now because
I can't even wrap my head around the idea of
the Bears being good enough to need rules changes.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I ben surely you're only going to be allowed to
throw from inside the hash marks.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
After this year you can throw from inside the hash
marks and with your opposite hand.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
And also your helmet has to be on backwards.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, in Chicago, you can do that at home. Yeah,
I think that's I think. I think that's what's coming.
I think that's what's coming. But Sam, to answer your
point your question, like, yeah, I think about what I'm
going to say on TV before I say it. That's how.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
That's how that you know it's gonna be hot. You
know it's gonna be a hot topic. Though, like you
know it's a hot take, no man, Like like I think,
I but like, I think what you just said is
a hot take. You said that you would rather have
Jalen Hurts than Lamar Jackson. That's a hot take. Welcome
to television, Thank you, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Like like you, people say hot take is a pejorative,
but you really believe it, right.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I really believe in the sense that I have the
data to back it up for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Well, you see me going on TV without data and
facts behind me, not you.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
But okay, we know, uh, we know that a lot
of people do not definitely not you, But I'm.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Just knowing iven just curious like like but like, I
just I think that, By the way, there's plenty of
data that can show that Lamar Jackson is better than
Jalen Hurts. You can make any case that you want.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Again, if you want to dominate the regular season, dominate it.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Okay, fine, but that again, that's the art. Again. I
can show you plenty of data that says Lamar is
better than Jalen Hurts, and you can show me playoff
data that says that Jailen is better than Lamar, And
then I would come at you and argue sample size,
and then you would come at me and argue your
model for overall team support, and like, that's the beauty
of sports man Like it's a you can have that.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
That's the beauty of doing it on television. You can
have that argument and that debate NonStop for just about
every team in every single sport like we've just been having. Like,
there are data points that can be used to support
your argument no matter what your argument is. The fun

(54:53):
part is when you truly go all in and believe it,
have to defend it, and then have to live with
it over the course of an entire season, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Like and I love planning my flag and taking a
position and it's it's what makes it fun. And and
by the way, I have no problems saying I was wrong.
I obviously was wrong about the Eagles, you know what
I mean, Like I obviously was wrong, and then I
just say I was wrong, like it's not it doesn't

(55:23):
It doesn't bother me at all, like the losing bets
bothers me, you know what I mean, Like like being
wrong about an opinion, it doesn't mean I don't believe it.
It doesn't mean it's fake. And by the way, I
have a researcher dedicated to propping up my takes with
data and with facts and with information like it's it's
an amazing amount of resources that we have at our disposal.

(55:45):
But yeah, some people just don't have an ability to
admit that they're wrong. And I think that that's like
just a bad character trait. And by the way, I
genuinely feel like being a gambler helps you admit you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Because I was going to ask you that before to
get out of here, which is wrong, which is harder
being wrong for betting and having to defend it versus
being wrong for an opinion and knowing that you got
to come back with another opinion the next day.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Okay, I'm often bet I'm often betting based on my opinion,
and so that you are very interconnected. But again I
don't really look at either as like being hard like
it it's just the job. Like I simon, what were

(56:42):
you on picking NFL this year? Like personal or on
the show, whichever you'd care to share, I'd have.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
To go back and look, but like personally, probably right
around like it wasn't it wasn't a good year, wasn't
a bad year. But luckily, like Chad knows, I get
about the Chiefs and Ego super Bowl matchup. So it's
like I made six figures on super Bowl Future. So
it's like my life. I can't complain. I can't complain
to the other.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Great, you crushed it, Yeah that's awesome, But fifty to fifty,
I'm like picks, it's tough. How many shows did you miss?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Zero?

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Right? So one has no bearing with the other, like
it's part of it. You talk about the wins, you
talk about the losses, you talk about the correct predictions,
you talk about the wrong predictions, and you still do
content and you still show up because you're a professional,
you know what I mean. Like so like and by
the way, that's sick that you made six figures on that.
That's awesome. It is funny, you know what I mean.
It's it's fun. It's no text me that on the side.
Next time.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I got you, Chad, listen, thank god it because I
was almost gonna lose my shit on Chad. But thank
god Chad made the bet too.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah that's excellent. But yeah, it's the type of thing
where it's like I just I don't I'm not betting
more than I can afford to lose, so the losses
don't like really hurt you in that sense. And then
the day, the thing that pays the mortgage is the
takes and the TV show, And so just show up,

(58:07):
win or lose, right or wrong, you know, like, just
be a be a professional about it. So like, neither
one really bothers me to be honest.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
With you, Davey Parkins breakfast Ball, We're glad you showed
up for us.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
I'll be it a little late.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Right on top.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Dude, you showed up.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I apologize, and I have no idea if this is
what you guys wanted to talk about, if you if
you guys wanted to do like NL Central futures. But
I hope, I hope this is what you and your
audience wanted.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
And uh, I really wanted to go deep on the
new bats and see how you felt about those. But
we'll do it, you know what, We'll do it next time.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
What amazing branding. Yeah, it's just that the word torpedo
is fun to say.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
It's great. It's phenomenal branding. And there was actually a
great story in the Wall Street Journal today about the
physicist who created the bats and he gave up his
career in physics to go into coach and created these
bats and it is it's brilliant. Kudos to the Wall
Street Journal.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yeah, but if they were, If they were, if the
guy's last name was was Mitchell and it was just
like the Mitchell bat, no one would talk about that
is good. But it's the torpedo bat. Yeah, but oh
it's the torpedo bat.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah, it's fantastic, it's incredible.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I love it. Like I decided that next year it's
going to be Bazuka bets because Bazuka is just fun
to say.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
And also then there's a great tie in for bubblegum,
and it takes us back to our nostalgia yeth of
loving nineteen seventies baseball. That's what I'm saying as a
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