July 5, 2021 • 50 mins
For this inaugural episode it’s only right that the one and only J. Prince joins the show as the very first guest of Geto Boys Reloaded. We’re talking about the early beginnings of Rap-A-Lot Records, his vision, how ‘Geto Boys’ was created, impact on the music and artist discovery in hip-hop from the south and more. Subscribe, rate, comment and share.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yet get gettle boys. It's back and rehoaded all in
your mind, yeah, and a deep throating. This is for
the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth,
the scapegoating, and they ain't know wing. We speak the truth,
so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
South East coach, the gv my keeping your head bobbing,
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it ain't no stopping and wants to be tricks head
by and then the system is so corrupt they throw
the rock out of the heads and then blame it
on us. Don't get it twisted on code and we
ain't dance it for no furtament biscuits. It's Willie d
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y'all scar faces in the building. Collectively, we are to
get old boys. You tuned in to get old boys reloaded.
Now why do we call it reloaded? Well for the
four or five people on the planet that don't know
to get old boys. We started our career off in
the music industry, specifically hip hop, and the foundation of
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our message has always been to inform and to what
educate and what ship instruct You see, inform, educate and
instructor and inform people about what's going on. In the world,
educate them about what's going on in the world, and
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instruct them on how to navigate through all of that stuff. Right.
So this is how we come to Get Old Boys Reloaded. Right,
And so we're reloading. We're taking that same information and
we have bottled it up and putting it out into
the podcast world. Scarface came to me and he said,
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wall you canna come to me? Called He called me. Okay,
he called me and he was like, say, well you
want to do this Get Old Boys podcast? And I
was like, oh no, I see it here, yeah, stop lying.
So I said, hell yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
So he gets what. He makes a phone call, gets
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shall Man on the phone. Sharlot Man say hell yeah,
we want to do that, Let's do it. So here
we are, fam uh Get Old Boys Reloaded. And this
is the first episode of Get Old Boys Reloaded. And listen,
fam there's absolutely no other person on this planet that
would have been qualified to do this first episode, were
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more qualified to do this first episode than the man
in my left and the man that you know as
j Prince. Uh. We go back to Little Jay. He
dig what I'm saying. This is the guy that I know.
This is the guy that I have a lot of
respect for. And I think that uh, I think that
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did the culture period owes him a debt of gratitude,
no matter what you may think of him. Uh, I
think the culture owes him a debt of gratitude because
he you know, he paid the price. You know. It's
one thing for somebody to say, hey, you know, I
gotta I gotta, I got an idea, I got a vision.
It's a whole another thing when somebody says, not only
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do I have an idea, I got a vision, I'm
putting up my paper to do it. You did what
I'm saying, and that's what he did, Ladies and gentlemen
in the building, Like, uh, I don't even know how
to say this man, So I'm just gonna just see
his name up J. Prince in the building. You know
what living and living color a y'all doing? Bro oh man, beautiful, beautiful? Uh,
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perhaps not as beautiful as you've been doing lately. Man.
I mean you're making some noise. Well you know, I'm
I'm trying to keep it moving, man, you know, as
we all as we know, you know what I mean.
It's it's the movement over the moment. So I've been
blessed to stay moving. Man, You've been blessed with a vision, man,
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And I always talk about that vision, man, like how
did you see this ship? Bro? Like? How did you
see me and Willie and Bill and Red? And how
did you you know what what happened? Man? How did
you visualize us going out to the ranch. No, we
didn't even know each other. We don't even know each other.
You remember that first ride, that first ride? I think
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what happened the astro van. I'm talking about the astro van.
We got a story before that one though. Before that,
So James had pulled up to our apartment, right, they
were like, man, who is that? Bro? As a white
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band white five hundred bons too though convertible with the
black top like Mann knocked on the dope man? Jay
walked in, Man, and that there like we're kids, like
me and Beato. We're kids. We never seen so many
diamonds in our life. The boy he walked in that
motherucking like nigga rock you Bro. He was out of
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that and I was like, man, how did you find us?
How did you find me? Man? Well, you know it's
uh it's a small world. You popped up at my door.
I'm like, I just know people and no people that
know people. That man pulled up at my house with it,
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and then he pulls up at my house. But before
that he came to me said, well, I got this idea.
I want to I want you to be a ghetto boy.
And I'm like, no, I don't want being a group,
like I don't want group and uh and he was like,
uh yeah, man, uh, I got this dude on the
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South Side at the time. He was calling Action, you
know Action. He was like DJ Action, you know, and
I want to put you out, you know, I want
you and him and it's other bar to being a
creel right boom, something like I don't want to be
in a groupe. And he was like, do it for me.
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That's simple. You know what I'm saying. Bind you The
man two years old, a couple of years he's only
a couple of years older than me. But when he
said look look, uh he said do it for me, right,
And I'm thinking like this this dude, at all the
people in the world, this is the this is the
dude that's saying you know what, I see your talent,
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and I want to invest in it. So I couldnt
say no to that when he when he put it
like that, You've always had a way with words. Was
that a lot of people listen to you and they
respect you know how you vocalize things, you know, and
they respect your mind growing up? You know, like who
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influenced you? Who was that person that you looked at
and said, man, you know, and I like how he
moved you know. I want to and I want to
pick up some of those days. Yeah, I would have
to say. It begun with my mother, you know what
I mean. It begun with my mother. Always tell everybody
over my my hero. Wow. I mean, so I watched
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I watched her, I watched her struggles, you know what
I mean. I watched the movements, and uh, I was
influenced bomb And then it was my grandmother, you know
what I mean, the same thing, you know, the work
ethic um, the struggles, the trials and tribulations like inspired
me as a as a youth, as a young boy,
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and and I vowed at the age of like seven
eight years old, and I wanted to be the one
to break the poverty curse that existed in my family.
Because you know, every month people was crying and different
things over lights, getting cut off, we didn't have food
to eat, you know, different things like that. So yeah,
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my eyes laid on my mother, grandmother first, and from
now you know, I was I was willing to risk
my life for that, for them to be able to
have what they wanted, you know, and that's amiable. Like
you grew up in a single parent household, right, and
so I picked up some ways from my mom in
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terms of some some survival tactics that I was able
to use to my benefit. Right now, these are females, right,
and so with one think like J. Prince, They don't
think nothing feminine about J Prince. Right. A lot of
guys who are raised in single parent households or single mothers,
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raised by single mothers, sometimes they don't quite they don't
quite get that the man, the man who the type thing.
They don't come you know. They kind of like, you know,
get a lot of those similarities from their their their
their their mother, you know, and they pick up a
lot of those female ways. You know, you understand what
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I'm saying. So how did what I'm saying is that
I got my ways and I got my ways that
I picked up from my mom. I picked up conflict resolution.
Conflict resolution for me from that I picked up from
my mom was really, you don't have conflict resolution. Go ahead,
conflict resolution. Don't have that, but go ahead listen. First
of all, conflict resolution is simply to resolve conflict. You
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don't have that, but go ahead. Do you know you
can resolve conflict all kind of ways, right ahead. Give
me my credit for resolving it the way I resolved
back in the day. You got that back in the day.
I ain't saying right where I'm saying back then? All right, okay,
so so but I learned to settle conflict with fist
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guns and insults. Okay, I know I learned. That's what
my That's what I got from my mom. Right So
going going from that, uh, I got I got that.
But then there's other things that you know, people will
tell you all the time that it takes a man
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to raise a man. So that respect, thing that you
know that you know, standing for something, thing that that
fighting the biggest fights, the biggest battles, the biggest gangsters, whoever,
whoever bringing it. You know, if you, like you said
in the song, the first album that we put out.
If you want to go to war, I take you
a war that right there. How do you how do
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you convey that to youngsters out there who may be
being raised by mothers. And it's not to take away
anything from single mothers, but there's a shortage of courage
when it comes to me and young men out there.
In my opinion, I think there's a shortage of courage
and a shortage of ethics, a shortage of a street code,
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a shortage of respect that that I don't that I don't.
I don't think that a person can just get without
having some type of male influence, whether that person be
in front of you, in the household with you, or
somebody you're watching on television or whatever. That's got to
come from somewhere. Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely agree that
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a man role is important, you know, but you know,
I'm definitely uh a recipe of of a household where
the man was missing, and so many of us uh
uh I don't even want to call it a victim,
but so many of us come from households where, uh,
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where boys don't raise their kids, you know what I mean,
Because we can't call them a man if they're abandoned
their kids and they loved one. So so you know,
you have to qualify to be called a man. So boys,
you know, may disappeal whatnot and then would end up
happening And what would happened to me where outside of
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a woman in racing me? Was the hood? You know
what I mean? Filth war was homies on the blocks,
was you know, step fathers. You know what I mean.
I had males um in my life and a combination
of or ways that helped shape and mold me to
become you know, who I became. And that's that's why
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I like with the hood. I'm I'm so like adamant
about those that abandoned the hood, you know what I mean,
once you make and when you know this place helped
shape and mold you to become who you became. Man.
You know, I spent a lot of time with your dad, bro,
and I would have put all of that, I would
put all of all of what you are on him,
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because after hanging out with Earnest so much and so long,
you know, it's that's you. Like you may not have
known Earnest or may not have been with Earnest early
part of your life. But man, you are Earnest prince
to the t, like the whole thing and the brothers. Yeah,
you can't get away from no genetics, you know what
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I mean. Those genetics are who you are, whether you know,
like I didn't know my my biological well, he was
a guy, you know what I mean. They started calling
me little prince before I knew who I was, you
know what I mean. So I missed that side of it.
But it was real fruit for the baby to tap
into him after I got grown. By the fact, it
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was a missing link, you know what I mean. It
was a board that no other male could feel. So
that's how important it is for a man, for a
father to be involved with his son. No nobody can
feel those shoes, you know. The trip part about that
mentioning Earnest is that from a distance, no one would
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ever could ever tell that he wasn't there all the
time because y'all were like so much alike. It's it's like,
you know, especially like you said, you can't get away
from those prince genetics. You know, like if somebody looked
at you two and be like, oh, that's the yeah, yeah,
that's absolutely that's that's his side. Uh, but you know
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that was that was other things about about you that
that you you definitely did different from your dad, right.
You know, you took things to a different level and
you made sure that you know, you didn't make certain mistakes, right, Uh,
that that he made. Um. And so when you when
you think about the route, the route that you you took, um,
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how much of how much of that route was happenstance
and how much of it was was was purpose driven? Uh? YEA,
if I had to chop that up, most of it
definitely was was purpose driven, you know what I mean.
I'm I'm I'm wide and and kind of program uh
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where I followed my spirit, my intuition, my disernment, you know,
over freestyle and over just you know, luck or stuff
like that. And it always been that way you know
with me. And and the more I tune into my gifts,
you know what I mean, my spirit lead situations or
my my intuition, my desernment, the more, uh, I think
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my decisions became more intelligent, you know what I mean?
So yeah, definitely more purpose driven. Over to that other piece. Yeah,
you you I've been noticing like over the last perhaps
I would say two three years, you seem more at peace. Yeah,
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you know, you're smiling, laugh a lot in public. You know,
like a lot of people don't know that. You know,
you're you're a funny guy, you know what I'm saying,
Like the funny how you know, not funny? No, no, no, no,
he's funny to you know what I'm saying. You know,
but but he got a good basically, he got a
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good sense of human Yeah. Yeah, you got a good
sense of humor and you like to laugh right now now, um.
But but a lot of people, a lot of people
wouldn't know that about you. But lately it's like and
it seemed like in the past you may have been
guarded for that for whatever reasons, you know what I'm saying.
But lately, last two three years, and I've seen you
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many many times, and I was like, man, ain't having
a black you know? Yeah, I mean that you can
see it, you know it is the little bitty house
on Della. He moved out of there in bought the island.
You know, that's kind of should will change your life, Willie.
No one in the Two Islands man, because y'all saw
you said Prince Prince Island one, right, Yeah, that's what
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That's what happened. Man, smiling like that. You know, well, well,
it's deeper than that, you know, It's deeper than the
material things, you know. I uh, I gotta joy and
you know it's a time and a place for everything, right,
you know. And uh, I always tell everybody I'm at
like the beginning of the third quarter where my life
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is concerned, you know what I mean. I played uh
first quarter, second quarter, now halftime is over. I'm at
the beginning of the third. A lot of people, I
believe they at the beginning of the fourth my age,
but I'm just at the beginning of the third. So
I figured out how to how to have fun, how
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to enjoy my life, how to do everything you know, uh,
with moderation, you know what I mean. And how to
weed out stress, you know what I mean. It's it's
a combination of things that one can do to have
a fruit for fulfilling life. And I figured it out.
And make me laugh a little more now because ship
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I ain't dealing with you know what I mean, of
things that I had to deal with in the past
under graduated. I got to sit down with you again
and get that you know when when I was a kid, right,
j would come pick me up. Man, I'd be like, man, damn,
because I knew that we was gonna ride for two days.
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So when I when I got to my when when
I got to a point where I could buy my
own car, I would just ride behind it. And so
we go out to the ranch, man, and and not
knowing that the jewels that he was like like he
was a kid dropping jewels on a kid. You know
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what I mean, Like those jewels man, that he gave me.
You know, hanging is life. It's life jewels, bro, that
you can take with you when you can use in
any situation or any circumstance. Man, Man, I'm telling you, Man,
I I tell you this all. Man. I appreciate you, bro,
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because I know for a fact coming out of that
little house in South Asias where I grew up, and
the ship that I was doing. Remember when you say, hey, man,
you can do what you gotta do one another. You
can't wrap and sell this ship. So you know you
want to sell that, I'm gone, you can't. I don't
want to be nowhere around it. Right. Yeah, I learned that, bro.
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Then you you gave me that and man, I appreciate that, Bro.
You pulled me out that a little bit of ass house. Man.
I'm living my life, Bro, I appreciate that. Man. The
difference you know a lot of times, and it's important
for all the youth and everybody that's watching this right now.
Like I understood way back then that the FIDS and
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the people that was in a high place it was
trying to stop our movement. So I understood that we
could have had ninty nine percent of everything legal and
one percent illegal, and they take that one percent and
destroy our ninty nine that were building up on. So
that's why I made statements like that, you can't straddle
the fence, you know, I told all the homers, don't.
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You can't come in my business with one feet here
the other feet in the drug game or whatever that is,
because you know, this, this is a movement we got going.
This ain't this ain't buy no moment. So you know,
my mindset was there back then, and it's important for
for those who are really trying to build an empire
to understand those principles because if not, that's why people
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empires and visions get destroyed by you know, outside forces
and outside and individuals that really don't play no major
role but doing some dumb ship bringing it back to
the movement. You know, you was always super smart, man.
It was always super smart and and in three or
four steps ahead, and and that type of thinking man.
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That and you put that on me in Willie too,
you know what I mean, We way ahead everybody else. Man.
That's that's like what brought that. Well, y'all had sense
enough and had the smarts to show up and to
you know what I mean, exercise that very thing that
you wanted to become. Think about those that didn't, beginning
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with my own brother, you know what I'm gonna say that,
because my own brother didn't have the strength to show
up and follow the movement, and I started it for him,
you know what I mean. So y'all had that. Y'all
had to work ethic true enough. You know what I mean.
I come blow the horn and pick y'all up, But
I ain't made you walk outside. I ain't made you
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write those dope rhymes and use that creativity y'all using.
So you know, y'all, y'all done that, you know what
I mean? And all of that help our movement, you know,
what I mean, what no eye? And we you know
I had strengths, y'all had strengths. We've brought them all
together and bam, you know what I mean, The Ghetto
Boys came to fruition the very thing that laid the
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whole foundation for those that's born. Don't have no idea
you know what they're standing on. Who built it? You
know what I mean? But all that came from from
our mind, from our movement way back, you know what
I mean. And look how relevant it is the day,
and look look at what's what's happening to day. Listen
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to that music, man, yeah, listen to that music from
way back then and applied to right now, timeless man.
Yeah yeah, And and it's you know what. And it
started with doing like a gil. It started with us
in the room. No no, no, I'm just saying as
far as the first song, the first, but what I'm
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saying it was the first. It was the first Ghetto
Boys song that all of us of you and Bill
was on and and Read was on right do it
like a jail. But me and Jay was at his
house that day. They had a list of songs like this,
like a list of like a damn tablet or something,
a bunch of different song concepts and do it like
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a geo was one of them, and he's the one
first told me what we what what you know, We're
gonna do it like gil That means like anything in life,
We're just gonna do it like a go you know
whatever it is. That just means do it to to
the highest level. Right and uh we purpose and so
uh when we started talking about the song, it's like, man,
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we're gonna talk about just all the different elements of
doing it like a geo. Social, political elements are doing
it like a gail. So we're talking about you know,
we're gonna talk about this educational system, We're gonna talk
about this this governmental system. We're gonna talk about corruptions
and dirty bankers and all of this stuff that that
happens in in our community that uh that controlled by
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the oligorgy, right, you know the higher ups, you know
the people that that basically run it. You're gonna talk
you know what I'm saying, We're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna talk about We're gonna we're gonna talk about that
and put them on blast and from from that moment
on it was like I just feel like that song
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was really was like kind of like set the standard
for what we would do, the unapologetic movement that we
had going forward, and and and that, and that's to
your credit man, And and you know a lot of
people will say that, you know, ghetto boys. Uh you know,
of course, me and Brad. You know we are responsible
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for the majority of writing everything. But it was those
sees that you planned. Man. It was that you know,
and and and being in that studio and I remember
and here's another thing, like you were saying like earlier,
like you didn't make us do it? Right? Uh you
would like, uh, that's not true. Way I got hold on,
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he did make us do it because you know what
he would do. He would drive us way out into
the middle of no fucking where and leave us for
were we still didn't have to do it. Could have
walked off, like go home. How how did you boys
get on? He was dropped off? No, The beauty, the
beauty of that war was, man. I mean, once again,
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it wasn't no eye and we because it was tried
before y'all came, you know what I mean, People like
jew Box and uh, other people couldn't even embrace it.
It was too it was too heavy for them to
even embrace, you know what I mean, or do it
like a geo or different concepts. They told me I
was too deep. This is what they said to me. Man,
that's too deep. Man. People ain't gonna be able to
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understand that. But when I'm talking to Willie Deal, when
I'm talking to you, you know what I mean. I
was talking to people that understood English and was able
to embrace it and execute it. So you know, we
done that, you know, And I think it's important to
mention this too for all these youngsters out here is
trying to get on that you got. If you have mentors,
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you've got people that's invested in you, it's their money,
like even you're gonna ride with their vision or you're not.
You know. It's like it's like if if I wrote
something and it didn't come out like you wanted to
come out, it was whack whatever in your opinion, you
would say, man, I don't like that now that and
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you know what I would do. I didn't at the most,
at the most, I might say. At the most, I
might might say, well, what you don't like about it
all right, okay, cool man, Well you know, all right,
go back to the drawing board. Boom boom bam, got it,
Just like that. A lot of these cats today, you know,
you tell them, you know, you try to give him
some constructive criticism, and and all of a sudden, you know,
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you run it on their parade, you know, like you
you against them, and so they get defeated when you
asked when when somebody try to give them construction construct criticism,
and so therefore they never even get to that, They
never even get to a point to where the world
can witness that their talents. Let me ask you a question.
The house that you built we're gonna call We're gonna
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call the this state the house that James built. How
do you feel about the REP scene right now? Um?
The REP scene right now? Um? I'm not mad at it,
you know what I mean. I'm not salute the youngsters
for you know, building uh what they're building with the
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best of you know what they have to work with,
ye to work with, you know what I mean. And
I think I even take responsibility, but that to a
certain extent. Yeah, because I think I think we all should,
because they studied us. You know what I mean, we
came before them, you know what I mean, We actually
are influential on a lot of what's taking place right now.
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So we have to own that, you know what I mean,
We have to own that, whether we want to or not.
You know, the realization of it is, you know, it's true,
you know what I mean. Not probably not the style
of which they are rapping in different things like that,
but it's a lot of substance for what I know
I've done and for what I witness, you know, where
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music is concerned, that's influential. I think the content, uh,
like you said, needs to be a little stronger. Well,
you know, they thought that about Motown. You know, every
generation have their opinion about you know, the generation that
come after them, So that's legal to feel that way.
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But by the same token, their generation is in love
with what they're doing, you know what I mean, a
little strong Yeah, I think, Uh, I mean I'm personally,
I personally for uh songs with messages. I like, I
like lyrics. I like somebody that's saying some substance, right uh.
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Having said that, you know, like my thing is like
to inform, Like I loved the artists that informed people,
but sometimes it gets lost in translation if there's no
instructions behind in for information, right and yeah, and so
that and and that's the thing that I I can
say that U, that we did well was that we
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always instructed. We didn't just talk about the struggle music.
We gave you, uh a blueprint on how to get
through the struggle. We didn't just talk about the struggle.
And that's to me, it's very very important when it
comes to artistry. He did. Yeah, agree, I agree with that. Um,
but I think you know, even back then, it was
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those that wasn't doing what we were doing, you know
what I mean, we were it was. It was a
beautiful combination. You know. I think it exists to day.
I think, you know, in defense, whether you talk concerned,
I think it's something that still have different messages that
they're trying to. Yeah, they may not as be as
as popular because I don't think the message is as
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popular the day as it was. In fact. That that's
an excellent that's that's an excellent point. Tell me about
Rick Rubin, man talk about Rick Rubin that that was
what that was like really in the beginning to Yeah, yeah,
Rick Rubin, Uh, I heard hold not to cut you off,
but I heard you ain't like me dog in the beginning.
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Go ahead, now, well I never I never heard Rick
Rubin not liking you. I think Rick Rubin enjoyed the
Ghetto Boys period as a whole, you know what I mean.
I feel like Bill better and he liked he liked Bill,
but he like you, Bro and Will and me Andry.
He liked Bill the best. Well, once again, face, I
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had never you know what I mean, I hadn't spend
that kind of time with the brother where he even
because we would have said that to me then I
would have had something to say about that. Go ahead,
But Rick Rubin, you know, of course the history of
Rick Rubin. He started Deaf Jam with with Russell Simmons,
you know what I mean. And uh, Rick Rubin extended
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uh invitation and opportunity to us after we had went
you know, I think gold On on which album was
that ripping on the other level and it and Rick
Rubin had something that like really got my attention that
I wanted to be a part of, and that was
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the Geffing Machine at the time, David Geffin, You know
what I mean. If you remember that, David Geffing Machine
at the time was was a powerful machine. They had
something everything. Yeah, that was Rick Rubin has left. But
you know, I felt like if we could have that
machine behind us, it would really take us to a
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whole different planet. And of course we know how that
story and David Geffen discriminated on the ghetto board. Can
you believe those hypocrits with descripted guns and roses and
they're not our ship? They say we're a racist act.
Ain't that kettle black man? You know it's been rumored
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that you are the unseen hand. Wow, yeah, they like
they have labeled you a very dangerous man. Well, I
wonder who what they do that? You know? My hands?
I mean I'm everybody see me. Um, I I used
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to everybody see me. You know how they're doing the
craft table you know that? Yeah, but you know how
that is? Man. The rumors, uh they were did they
existed back then? They existed now, they're gonna exist tomorrow. Um.
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But I think I'm more seen now than they've ever been. Man,
I have never seen you know what funny thing? Man,
I'm like social media, old man, I gonna never get
on social media and then bam, Yeah, well, I'll call
myself a justin to time, you know what I mean.
I have to learn to do that too. We can't
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never be one dimensional and stuff the dinosaur age. Know,
I never allowed that to happen to myself. And when
I came out with my book, you know, I knew
it was time for me to promote my book and
ignite let people see it. Yeah, you know what I mean,
just that time of the day. You know, people need
to pick that book up too, because there's a lot
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of jewels. It's it's a book full of jewels, man,
and and everything that you did like growing up bro,
and like wow respect wow yeah ja, what you think
about people having something to say about you injecting yourself
in the hip hop beefs and you know, trying to
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I guess bring some type of order. Yeah, I would
have to repeat that that that. Uh. At first I
started this gangster ship just the respect I get you. Yeah, okay,
I thought that was as cute. Yeah, so you know
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it's kind of hard for them, but them U say
something stronger than that. I thought that was cute, man,
Thank Himinem may have wrote that for him. I don't
know who wrote it for, but I know he said
I started this gangster ship and it's the motherfucker thanks.
I get dr He's bad. That's a bad producer. It's
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a bad man. But um man, just we give all
that success man, that came, you know in our career
as well in my career. I give all that ship
to you, bro, because you gave me some game that
um it's fucking unmatched. I always tell people that, say, man,
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James was raised by wolves and I was raised by
the wolf. So what you take that makes me? You know,
I mean kidding, take take a WILLI d to say
some ship like that about me? You know, you know
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we had always been a comedian. I remember one time,
man William Bill was fighting in the limousine. I'm just
I man, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into detail, man,
but when Bill said trench coats and gangster pussies, Willie
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went ape ship in the limo. Now you weren't at
that time, but man, can't you you know, every time
they got into some ship, I just sit back and
watch the show. Right. And then we all got more
mature and he started ignoring Bill. Yeah, I always ignored Bill.
And let's talk about this drink lawyer. You know, how
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did how did you come to talk about the alcohol
industry for a person who had it is not known
to be a drinker. You know, I remember the first
time I think I probably ever saw you drink any
type of alcohol. Was I had a I think I
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had a No, No, it wasn't my party. We were
at a party at Fox Sports Grill and I bought
your bottle and I was like, yeah, you know you
like I bought your bottle of wine. That's the first
time I ever saw you drink. But uh, very impressive man,
you know, to see you get into this and to
see you diversify before you went from you went from
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uh the music to boxing and now and now you
are in the beverage business. Yeah, I'm really trying to
diversify my portfolio. And as you said, well I was.
I was a late bloomer when it came to drinking
because I always wanted to stay focused. I never wanted
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nothing to end of the field with my focus. You know,
in my twenties and my thirties, you know what I mean,
I wasn't gonna allow that, so I would I would
have a glass of orange juice straight making everybody think
I had gin and juice watching everything, you know what
I mean. So that was important to me to keep
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that focus. But as you can see now, you know
my choice to drink is red wine because it's a
help drink, you know what I mean. It got antoxidants,
all the good stuff. Uh in, as long as you
drink it with moderation, don't you got uncle then when
Uncle don in in in wine country? Yeah? Did you
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drinking wine up there? Back then? I have had a
glass or two up there with all That's the real
that's the real. Step on on the grapes valley up there,
half of valley in the hills. That's pretty dope. But
it's been fun. You know. It's a real lucrative business.
And actually I underestimated lawyer to you know, I pressed,
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I press. I'm thinking about CDs right anyway, Yeah, like
a half a million bottles and underestimated not a half
a million bottles, a half a million dollars worth the material.
And I underestimated it. Really one distrilled A bought everything
and I'm I'm chasing it right now, trying to catch
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up with the sales. Yeah, So it's a that's a
very good problem to have. Congratulations man, and then you
fight your your your your fight game is on point.
Everybody winning, and you got brand new fight squad right here.
You want to introduced them the Mason five, you know,
the Mason five there from Cleveland or our started. Bro Uh,
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they're just down here visiting, you know what I mean.
They're down here visiting and we just chopping it up,
you know what I mean. I had an opportunity to
observe Duela in Um in Streeport at the tournament. You know,
he went the national tournament amateur, the tournament in Streeport, Louisanna,
and he cleaned the slate and I was watching him.
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I watched his first fight. You know, this is like
all the best fighters in in Houston, I mean in
the United States that come together to compete. And he
was sixteen years old. That's I'm doing. And you know
I watched him like not only just like edge and
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badly beat these twenties something ye old men and different people,
but like stopped. He stopped a couple of they stopped
the fight. And he'd done this three times. You know.
I watched one time, said was that luck? And I
came back a couple of days later and the same thing.
And then the grand finale was this guy, I think
one like eleven Nationals, you know, Latino brother bad boy,
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and uh, he'd done the same thing, stopped dropped him
the first role and uh, you know that was amazing,
you know what I mean, that was amazing because sixteen
year old's not supposed to be able to beat up
a grown man deliver like that, right, So you know
what I mean. I that was somebody I had to meet,
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you know what I mean. And him as Fall and
all his brothers have came down and we've been like,
you know, chopping it up man, because someday I hope
and pray that I can be in business with him. Yeah. Absolutely, Hey,
talk to me about talk to us about um, the
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the press that the FEDS try to put on you.
Not not going all the way back, but I'm talking
about as for us, Like, I don't want you to
go into details and all that. I'm just what I
want to talk about. What I want you to impart
on the audiences for all of these young inspiring black
business people out there and even other people out there
who who There's certain people in the government when we
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say government. We think of this big old entity, right,
but the government is made of individuals, human beings with
certain biases and convictions and stuff. Right, So these people
may have their own uh thing. Person might wake up
and see I don't like that guy, so he might
(41:58):
target you and decide I want to target him. You know,
how how do how do how do those people that
are in business, are trying to make it in business?
Uh make sure that they they can survive an attack,
an unwarranted attack uh against them by particular individuals that
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work within the government. Yeah. Uh, that ain't gonna really
be a short answer, but I'm I'm gonna do my best. Um.
The attack on me begun years ago and it exists
even till this day. And if you really think about it,
because it was an attack on us, you know what
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I mean. I I kind of brought you all into
that attack, and y'all stood up right there beside me,
and you know, we went to war together. But it's
so deep, you know what I mean, so deep, and
I you know, I gotta I gotta philosophy, um, and
a lot of different areas on why this happened, you
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know what I mean, I truly believe that they were
trying to stop the movement of what's taking place today.
They saw this coming to fruition, you know, everything that
we were doing, you know, from from ground zero. They
they recognize our mindsets, they recognize our actions. And then
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as we started evolving, you know what I mean, as
we started growing and evolving and becoming successful, they they
doubled down with the pressure. One of the things that's
important to do when UH you are under attacked by
fears or any police force, any anything, period, is to
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not be afraid to put the spotlight on it. And
that's something we've done through our music over and over again,
you know what I mean. We wanted to be the
voice forget olds all over the world. So we aim
together and you know in that room like this, we
we we we we. UH was like minded in that
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attack to be a voice for everybody and put the
spotlight on all the wrong doing and all the crookedness
that they were doing, that they were conspiring to do,
you know, whatever the case was. We didn't allow fear,
you know what I mean, to keep us in bundange
where they can totally destroyt And it's that word fear
that that anybody on a business or whatever it's concerned.
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It's that word feel that you can't allow to paralyze you.
You know what I mean, Because fear is not even
of God. And if you're allowed to paralyze you, then
you defeated. We never allowed that. We can't start allowing it. Uh, today, yesterday,
all the day, so you know, put the spotlight on
whatever it may be. Yea man fears not even a god.
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A jewel you can have the a ladies and gentlemen,
you can have that. They gave you another good one.
They gave you a good one. Fear is not of God. Man.
So all you people out there ain't pickle, don't know
about it now, but I'm gonna say this. I don't
say I'm gonna don't say it. Here we go, all
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you people out there who believe in God. But you
know you got this fear of certain people. You know,
you got fear of even yourself and your capabilities. That's
not of God. So you already off track. If you
really really believe in God like you said you do,
you should feel no man, no woman. You should fear nothing.
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If you really believe in God, you're the only one
to feel feel you know what I mean. That's it,
you know, And that's and that's the thing. You know,
if you think about it, a lot of us never
of our chance, ourself a chance because of that word fear. Man.
It's a it's a paralyzing uh word that stop so
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many of us from you know, becoming who we were
called or be meant to be or whatever it may be.
You know what I mean. Just imagine if we would
have been stuck on fear. Imagine but it never happened,
you know what I mean. For example, the conversation with
Larry Hoover, you know what I meant. I remember all
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the threats. I remember if you do this, this's gonna happen,
and that the different police departments out of Chicago. Oh yeah,
I'm getting calls, you know what I mean a lot
of the things and subject matters we spoke on was
against you know the rules where y'all side mad they
were you know what I mean, they came to my house,
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you know what I mean. So we we never allowed
that word to paralyze us. You know, even even though
it was on comfortable, you know what I mean, it
was uncomfortable, but you know, like are willing to die
for some of those things, you know what I mean,
because I'm like, Okay, it is what it is. I'm
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gonna stand on this to this capacity where I'm willing
to leave all out for this. So it was that
mind frame of strength, you know what I mean of
not aligned feel to paralyze us in our movement. Man,
that I think has made it for so many that
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that's unaware of it where hip hop is concerned. Let's
go back to that fearing God that coming. So God
is this spiritual thing, that being that we're supposed to
that's supposed to be on our side, right, why should
we fear somebody that's on our side? See? And I'm
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asking this question because you know, uh, I personally don't
fear God, you know what I'm saying. So, Man, I
don't know if I'm doing maybe I'm doing something wrong,
I don't know, but I don't fear God. I don't
fear like I don't feel like a man on the
planet because I feel like anything somebody can do to me,
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I can do to them. So I don't That's why
I don't fear anybody like. I really just don't fear people, period.
I don't fear and I don't fear people. I I'm
not about to fear some guy in the sky or
wherever he may be. And I know that it's very,
very unpopular, and I'm sure I'm going to get some
some some calls on this one, but I just got
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to put it out there. Fam, I just don't believe
and I and I do believe in God, but I
don't fear God. Well. I think it's uh, you know,
you can say six and half a dozen and you
can be talking about the same thing. Yeah, it's a
it's a matter of reverence in which I think you
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have where the Creator is concerned. And I think, uh,
it's easy to like get spirituality and religious like mixed up,
you know what I mean, And a lot of people are.
I don't know how to differentiate the two, but I don't.
I know you with your thinking ability and with the
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capacity that you the reverence you have for God not
saying anything disrespectful concerning him. But I understand you know
where you're coming from. Others may not. But it's a
reverence that you have and that's what's important, you know
what I mean. The important part is acknowledging that the Creator,
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it is all powerful with me, all power. He not
a man, you know what I mean. He not somebody
that you know what I mean? So I respect that,
you know, And I'm a humble myself where he is concerned.
And you know, I think y'all feel the same way.
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And on with that and with that, FAM, we conclude
the first episode of Ghetto Boys reloaded with the Great Jay, Prince, Badman, Brad,
Scarface Jordan's and I am Willie D. Thank you for
(50:23):
tuning in, FAM until next time, Oh yeah, please out.
This episode was produced by a King and brought to
you by the Black Effect Podcast Network at Our Heart
Radio
Yet get gettle boys. It's back and rehoaded all in
your mind, yeah, and a deep throating. This is for
the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth,
the scapegoating, and they ain't know wing. We speak the truth,
so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
South East coach, the gv my keeping your head bobbing,
(00:20):
it ain't no stopping and wants to be tricks head
by and then the system is so corrupt they throw
the rock out of the heads and then blame it
on us. Don't get it twisted on code and we
ain't dance it for no furtament biscuits. It's Willie d
(00:42):
y'all scar faces in the building. Collectively, we are to
get old boys. You tuned in to get old boys reloaded.
Now why do we call it reloaded? Well for the
four or five people on the planet that don't know
to get old boys. We started our career off in
the music industry, specifically hip hop, and the foundation of
(01:03):
our message has always been to inform and to what
educate and what ship instruct You see, inform, educate and
instructor and inform people about what's going on. In the world,
educate them about what's going on in the world, and
(01:23):
instruct them on how to navigate through all of that stuff. Right.
So this is how we come to Get Old Boys Reloaded. Right,
And so we're reloading. We're taking that same information and
we have bottled it up and putting it out into
the podcast world. Scarface came to me and he said,
(01:43):
wall you canna come to me? Called He called me. Okay,
he called me and he was like, say, well you
want to do this Get Old Boys podcast? And I
was like, oh no, I see it here, yeah, stop lying.
So I said, hell yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
So he gets what. He makes a phone call, gets
(02:06):
shall Man on the phone. Sharlot Man say hell yeah,
we want to do that, Let's do it. So here
we are, fam uh Get Old Boys Reloaded. And this
is the first episode of Get Old Boys Reloaded. And listen,
fam there's absolutely no other person on this planet that
would have been qualified to do this first episode, were
(02:28):
more qualified to do this first episode than the man
in my left and the man that you know as
j Prince. Uh. We go back to Little Jay. He
dig what I'm saying. This is the guy that I know.
This is the guy that I have a lot of
respect for. And I think that uh, I think that
(02:48):
did the culture period owes him a debt of gratitude,
no matter what you may think of him. Uh, I
think the culture owes him a debt of gratitude because
he you know, he paid the price. You know. It's
one thing for somebody to say, hey, you know, I
gotta I gotta, I got an idea, I got a vision.
It's a whole another thing when somebody says, not only
(03:08):
do I have an idea, I got a vision, I'm
putting up my paper to do it. You did what
I'm saying, and that's what he did, Ladies and gentlemen
in the building, Like, uh, I don't even know how
to say this man, So I'm just gonna just see
his name up J. Prince in the building. You know
what living and living color a y'all doing? Bro oh man, beautiful, beautiful? Uh,
(03:33):
perhaps not as beautiful as you've been doing lately. Man.
I mean you're making some noise. Well you know, I'm
I'm trying to keep it moving, man, you know, as
we all as we know, you know what I mean.
It's it's the movement over the moment. So I've been
blessed to stay moving. Man, You've been blessed with a vision, man,
(03:54):
And I always talk about that vision, man, like how
did you see this ship? Bro? Like? How did you
see me and Willie and Bill and Red? And how
did you you know what what happened? Man? How did
you visualize us going out to the ranch. No, we
didn't even know each other. We don't even know each other.
You remember that first ride, that first ride? I think
(04:17):
what happened the astro van. I'm talking about the astro van.
We got a story before that one though. Before that,
So James had pulled up to our apartment, right, they
were like, man, who is that? Bro? As a white
(04:38):
band white five hundred bons too though convertible with the
black top like Mann knocked on the dope man? Jay
walked in, Man, and that there like we're kids, like
me and Beato. We're kids. We never seen so many
diamonds in our life. The boy he walked in that
motherucking like nigga rock you Bro. He was out of
(05:02):
that and I was like, man, how did you find us?
How did you find me? Man? Well, you know it's
uh it's a small world. You popped up at my door.
I'm like, I just know people and no people that
know people. That man pulled up at my house with it,
(05:25):
and then he pulls up at my house. But before
that he came to me said, well, I got this idea.
I want to I want you to be a ghetto boy.
And I'm like, no, I don't want being a group,
like I don't want group and uh and he was like,
uh yeah, man, uh, I got this dude on the
(05:48):
South Side at the time. He was calling Action, you
know Action. He was like DJ Action, you know, and
I want to put you out, you know, I want
you and him and it's other bar to being a
creel right boom, something like I don't want to be
in a groupe. And he was like, do it for me.
(06:09):
That's simple. You know what I'm saying. Bind you The
man two years old, a couple of years he's only
a couple of years older than me. But when he
said look look, uh he said do it for me, right,
And I'm thinking like this this dude, at all the
people in the world, this is the this is the
dude that's saying you know what, I see your talent,
(06:31):
and I want to invest in it. So I couldnt
say no to that when he when he put it
like that, You've always had a way with words. Was
that a lot of people listen to you and they
respect you know how you vocalize things, you know, and
they respect your mind growing up? You know, like who
(06:55):
influenced you? Who was that person that you looked at
and said, man, you know, and I like how he
moved you know. I want to and I want to
pick up some of those days. Yeah, I would have
to say. It begun with my mother, you know what
I mean. It begun with my mother. Always tell everybody
over my my hero. Wow. I mean, so I watched
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I watched her, I watched her struggles, you know what
I mean. I watched the movements, and uh, I was
influenced bomb And then it was my grandmother, you know
what I mean, the same thing, you know, the work
ethic um, the struggles, the trials and tribulations like inspired
me as a as a youth, as a young boy,
(07:38):
and and I vowed at the age of like seven
eight years old, and I wanted to be the one
to break the poverty curse that existed in my family.
Because you know, every month people was crying and different
things over lights, getting cut off, we didn't have food
to eat, you know, different things like that. So yeah,
(07:59):
my eyes laid on my mother, grandmother first, and from
now you know, I was I was willing to risk
my life for that, for them to be able to
have what they wanted, you know, and that's amiable. Like
you grew up in a single parent household, right, and
so I picked up some ways from my mom in
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terms of some some survival tactics that I was able
to use to my benefit. Right now, these are females, right,
and so with one think like J. Prince, They don't
think nothing feminine about J Prince. Right. A lot of
guys who are raised in single parent households or single mothers,
(08:43):
raised by single mothers, sometimes they don't quite they don't
quite get that the man, the man who the type thing.
They don't come you know. They kind of like, you know,
get a lot of those similarities from their their their
their their mother, you know, and they pick up a
lot of those female ways. You know, you understand what
(09:05):
I'm saying. So how did what I'm saying is that
I got my ways and I got my ways that
I picked up from my mom. I picked up conflict resolution.
Conflict resolution for me from that I picked up from
my mom was really, you don't have conflict resolution. Go ahead,
conflict resolution. Don't have that, but go ahead listen. First
of all, conflict resolution is simply to resolve conflict. You
(09:28):
don't have that, but go ahead. Do you know you
can resolve conflict all kind of ways, right ahead. Give
me my credit for resolving it the way I resolved
back in the day. You got that back in the day.
I ain't saying right where I'm saying back then? All right, okay,
so so but I learned to settle conflict with fist
(09:49):
guns and insults. Okay, I know I learned. That's what
my That's what I got from my mom. Right So
going going from that, uh, I got I got that.
But then there's other things that you know, people will
tell you all the time that it takes a man
(10:10):
to raise a man. So that respect, thing that you
know that you know, standing for something, thing that that
fighting the biggest fights, the biggest battles, the biggest gangsters, whoever,
whoever bringing it. You know, if you, like you said
in the song, the first album that we put out.
If you want to go to war, I take you
a war that right there. How do you how do
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you convey that to youngsters out there who may be
being raised by mothers. And it's not to take away
anything from single mothers, but there's a shortage of courage
when it comes to me and young men out there.
In my opinion, I think there's a shortage of courage
and a shortage of ethics, a shortage of a street code,
(10:55):
a shortage of respect that that I don't that I don't.
I don't think that a person can just get without
having some type of male influence, whether that person be
in front of you, in the household with you, or
somebody you're watching on television or whatever. That's got to
come from somewhere. Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely agree that
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a man role is important, you know, but you know,
I'm definitely uh a recipe of of a household where
the man was missing, and so many of us uh
uh I don't even want to call it a victim,
but so many of us come from households where, uh,
(11:38):
where boys don't raise their kids, you know what I mean,
Because we can't call them a man if they're abandoned
their kids and they loved one. So so you know,
you have to qualify to be called a man. So boys,
you know, may disappeal whatnot and then would end up
happening And what would happened to me where outside of
(11:59):
a woman in racing me? Was the hood? You know
what I mean? Filth war was homies on the blocks,
was you know, step fathers. You know what I mean.
I had males um in my life and a combination
of or ways that helped shape and mold me to
become you know, who I became. And that's that's why
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I like with the hood. I'm I'm so like adamant
about those that abandoned the hood, you know what I mean,
once you make and when you know this place helped
shape and mold you to become who you became. Man.
You know, I spent a lot of time with your dad, bro,
and I would have put all of that, I would
put all of all of what you are on him,
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because after hanging out with Earnest so much and so long,
you know, it's that's you. Like you may not have
known Earnest or may not have been with Earnest early
part of your life. But man, you are Earnest prince
to the t, like the whole thing and the brothers. Yeah,
you can't get away from no genetics, you know what
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I mean. Those genetics are who you are, whether you know,
like I didn't know my my biological well, he was
a guy, you know what I mean. They started calling
me little prince before I knew who I was, you
know what I mean. So I missed that side of it.
But it was real fruit for the baby to tap
into him after I got grown. By the fact, it
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was a missing link, you know what I mean. It
was a board that no other male could feel. So
that's how important it is for a man, for a
father to be involved with his son. No nobody can
feel those shoes, you know. The trip part about that
mentioning Earnest is that from a distance, no one would
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ever could ever tell that he wasn't there all the
time because y'all were like so much alike. It's it's like,
you know, especially like you said, you can't get away
from those prince genetics. You know, like if somebody looked
at you two and be like, oh, that's the yeah, yeah,
that's absolutely that's that's his side. Uh, but you know
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that was that was other things about about you that
that you you definitely did different from your dad, right.
You know, you took things to a different level and
you made sure that you know, you didn't make certain mistakes, right, Uh,
that that he made. Um. And so when you when
you think about the route, the route that you you took, um,
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how much of how much of that route was happenstance
and how much of it was was was purpose driven? Uh? YEA,
if I had to chop that up, most of it
definitely was was purpose driven, you know what I mean.
I'm I'm I'm wide and and kind of program uh
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where I followed my spirit, my intuition, my disernment, you know,
over freestyle and over just you know, luck or stuff
like that. And it always been that way you know
with me. And and the more I tune into my gifts,
you know what I mean, my spirit lead situations or
my my intuition, my desernment, the more, uh, I think
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my decisions became more intelligent, you know what I mean?
So yeah, definitely more purpose driven. Over to that other piece. Yeah,
you you I've been noticing like over the last perhaps
I would say two three years, you seem more at peace. Yeah,
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you know, you're smiling, laugh a lot in public. You know,
like a lot of people don't know that. You know,
you're you're a funny guy, you know what I'm saying,
Like the funny how you know, not funny? No, no, no, no,
he's funny to you know what I'm saying. You know,
but but he got a good basically, he got a
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good sense of human Yeah. Yeah, you got a good
sense of humor and you like to laugh right now now, um.
But but a lot of people, a lot of people
wouldn't know that about you. But lately it's like and
it seemed like in the past you may have been
guarded for that for whatever reasons, you know what I'm saying.
But lately, last two three years, and I've seen you
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many many times, and I was like, man, ain't having
a black you know? Yeah, I mean that you can
see it, you know it is the little bitty house
on Della. He moved out of there in bought the island.
You know, that's kind of should will change your life, Willie.
No one in the Two Islands man, because y'all saw
you said Prince Prince Island one, right, Yeah, that's what
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That's what happened. Man, smiling like that. You know, well, well,
it's deeper than that, you know, It's deeper than the
material things, you know. I uh, I gotta joy and
you know it's a time and a place for everything, right,
you know. And uh, I always tell everybody I'm at
like the beginning of the third quarter where my life
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is concerned, you know what I mean. I played uh
first quarter, second quarter, now halftime is over. I'm at
the beginning of the third. A lot of people, I
believe they at the beginning of the fourth my age,
but I'm just at the beginning of the third. So
I figured out how to how to have fun, how
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to enjoy my life, how to do everything you know, uh,
with moderation, you know what I mean. And how to
weed out stress, you know what I mean. It's it's
a combination of things that one can do to have
a fruit for fulfilling life. And I figured it out.
And make me laugh a little more now because ship
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I ain't dealing with you know what I mean, of
things that I had to deal with in the past
under graduated. I got to sit down with you again
and get that you know when when I was a kid, right,
j would come pick me up. Man, I'd be like, man, damn,
because I knew that we was gonna ride for two days.
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So when I when I got to my when when
I got to a point where I could buy my
own car, I would just ride behind it. And so
we go out to the ranch, man, and and not
knowing that the jewels that he was like like he
was a kid dropping jewels on a kid. You know
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what I mean, Like those jewels man, that he gave me.
You know, hanging is life. It's life jewels, bro, that
you can take with you when you can use in
any situation or any circumstance. Man, Man, I'm telling you, Man,
I I tell you this all. Man. I appreciate you, bro,
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because I know for a fact coming out of that
little house in South Asias where I grew up, and
the ship that I was doing. Remember when you say, hey, man,
you can do what you gotta do one another. You
can't wrap and sell this ship. So you know you
want to sell that, I'm gone, you can't. I don't
want to be nowhere around it. Right. Yeah, I learned that, bro.
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Then you you gave me that and man, I appreciate that, Bro.
You pulled me out that a little bit of ass house. Man.
I'm living my life, Bro, I appreciate that. Man. The
difference you know a lot of times, and it's important
for all the youth and everybody that's watching this right now.
Like I understood way back then that the FIDS and
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the people that was in a high place it was
trying to stop our movement. So I understood that we
could have had ninty nine percent of everything legal and
one percent illegal, and they take that one percent and
destroy our ninty nine that were building up on. So
that's why I made statements like that, you can't straddle
the fence, you know, I told all the homers, don't.
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You can't come in my business with one feet here
the other feet in the drug game or whatever that is,
because you know, this, this is a movement we got going.
This ain't this ain't buy no moment. So you know,
my mindset was there back then, and it's important for
for those who are really trying to build an empire
to understand those principles because if not, that's why people
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empires and visions get destroyed by you know, outside forces
and outside and individuals that really don't play no major
role but doing some dumb ship bringing it back to
the movement. You know, you was always super smart, man.
It was always super smart and and in three or
four steps ahead, and and that type of thinking man.
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That and you put that on me in Willie too,
you know what I mean, We way ahead everybody else. Man.
That's that's like what brought that. Well, y'all had sense
enough and had the smarts to show up and to
you know what I mean, exercise that very thing that
you wanted to become. Think about those that didn't, beginning
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with my own brother, you know what I'm gonna say that,
because my own brother didn't have the strength to show
up and follow the movement, and I started it for him,
you know what I mean. So y'all had that. Y'all
had to work ethic true enough. You know what I mean.
I come blow the horn and pick y'all up, But
I ain't made you walk outside. I ain't made you
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write those dope rhymes and use that creativity y'all using.
So you know, y'all, y'all done that, you know what
I mean? And all of that help our movement, you know,
what I mean, what no eye? And we you know
I had strengths, y'all had strengths. We've brought them all
together and bam, you know what I mean, The Ghetto
Boys came to fruition the very thing that laid the
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whole foundation for those that's born. Don't have no idea
you know what they're standing on. Who built it? You
know what I mean? But all that came from from
our mind, from our movement way back, you know what
I mean. And look how relevant it is the day,
and look look at what's what's happening to day. Listen
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to that music, man, yeah, listen to that music from
way back then and applied to right now, timeless man.
Yeah yeah, And and it's you know what. And it
started with doing like a gil. It started with us
in the room. No no, no, I'm just saying as
far as the first song, the first, but what I'm
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saying it was the first. It was the first Ghetto
Boys song that all of us of you and Bill
was on and and Read was on right do it
like a jail. But me and Jay was at his
house that day. They had a list of songs like this,
like a list of like a damn tablet or something,
a bunch of different song concepts and do it like
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a geo was one of them, and he's the one
first told me what we what what you know, We're
gonna do it like gil That means like anything in life,
We're just gonna do it like a go you know
whatever it is. That just means do it to to
the highest level. Right and uh we purpose and so
uh when we started talking about the song, it's like, man,
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we're gonna talk about just all the different elements of
doing it like a geo. Social, political elements are doing
it like a gail. So we're talking about you know,
we're gonna talk about this educational system, We're gonna talk
about this this governmental system. We're gonna talk about corruptions
and dirty bankers and all of this stuff that that
happens in in our community that uh that controlled by
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the oligorgy, right, you know the higher ups, you know
the people that that basically run it. You're gonna talk
you know what I'm saying, We're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna talk about We're gonna we're gonna talk about that
and put them on blast and from from that moment
on it was like I just feel like that song
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was really was like kind of like set the standard
for what we would do, the unapologetic movement that we
had going forward, and and and that, and that's to
your credit man, And and you know a lot of
people will say that, you know, ghetto boys. Uh you know,
of course, me and Brad. You know we are responsible
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for the majority of writing everything. But it was those
sees that you planned. Man. It was that you know,
and and and being in that studio and I remember
and here's another thing, like you were saying like earlier,
like you didn't make us do it? Right? Uh you
would like, uh, that's not true. Way I got hold on,
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he did make us do it because you know what
he would do. He would drive us way out into
the middle of no fucking where and leave us for
were we still didn't have to do it. Could have
walked off, like go home. How how did you boys
get on? He was dropped off? No, The beauty, the
beauty of that war was, man. I mean, once again,
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it wasn't no eye and we because it was tried
before y'all came, you know what I mean, People like
jew Box and uh, other people couldn't even embrace it.
It was too it was too heavy for them to
even embrace, you know what I mean, or do it
like a geo or different concepts. They told me I
was too deep. This is what they said to me. Man,
that's too deep. Man. People ain't gonna be able to
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understand that. But when I'm talking to Willie Deal, when
I'm talking to you, you know what I mean. I
was talking to people that understood English and was able
to embrace it and execute it. So you know, we
done that, you know, And I think it's important to
mention this too for all these youngsters out here is
trying to get on that you got. If you have mentors,
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you've got people that's invested in you, it's their money,
like even you're gonna ride with their vision or you're not.
You know. It's like it's like if if I wrote
something and it didn't come out like you wanted to
come out, it was whack whatever in your opinion, you
would say, man, I don't like that now that and
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you know what I would do. I didn't at the most,
at the most, I might say. At the most, I
might might say, well, what you don't like about it
all right, okay, cool man, Well you know, all right,
go back to the drawing board. Boom boom bam, got it,
Just like that. A lot of these cats today, you know,
you tell them, you know, you try to give him
some constructive criticism, and and all of a sudden, you know,
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you run it on their parade, you know, like you
you against them, and so they get defeated when you
asked when when somebody try to give them construction construct criticism,
and so therefore they never even get to that, They
never even get to a point to where the world
can witness that their talents. Let me ask you a question.
The house that you built we're gonna call We're gonna
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call the this state the house that James built. How
do you feel about the REP scene right now? Um?
The REP scene right now? Um? I'm not mad at it,
you know what I mean. I'm not salute the youngsters
for you know, building uh what they're building with the
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best of you know what they have to work with,
ye to work with, you know what I mean. And
I think I even take responsibility, but that to a
certain extent. Yeah, because I think I think we all should,
because they studied us. You know what I mean, we
came before them, you know what I mean, We actually
are influential on a lot of what's taking place right now.
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So we have to own that, you know what I mean,
We have to own that, whether we want to or not.
You know, the realization of it is, you know, it's true,
you know what I mean. Not probably not the style
of which they are rapping in different things like that,
but it's a lot of substance for what I know
I've done and for what I witness, you know, where
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music is concerned, that's influential. I think the content, uh,
like you said, needs to be a little stronger. Well,
you know, they thought that about Motown. You know, every
generation have their opinion about you know, the generation that
come after them, So that's legal to feel that way.
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But by the same token, their generation is in love
with what they're doing, you know what I mean, a
little strong Yeah, I think, Uh, I mean I'm personally,
I personally for uh songs with messages. I like, I
like lyrics. I like somebody that's saying some substance, right uh.
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Having said that, you know, like my thing is like
to inform, Like I loved the artists that informed people,
but sometimes it gets lost in translation if there's no
instructions behind in for information, right and yeah, and so
that and and that's the thing that I I can
say that U, that we did well was that we
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always instructed. We didn't just talk about the struggle music.
We gave you, uh a blueprint on how to get
through the struggle. We didn't just talk about the struggle.
And that's to me, it's very very important when it
comes to artistry. He did. Yeah, agree, I agree with that. Um,
but I think you know, even back then, it was
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those that wasn't doing what we were doing, you know
what I mean, we were it was. It was a
beautiful combination. You know. I think it exists to day.
I think, you know, in defense, whether you talk concerned,
I think it's something that still have different messages that
they're trying to. Yeah, they may not as be as
as popular because I don't think the message is as
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popular the day as it was. In fact. That that's
an excellent that's that's an excellent point. Tell me about
Rick Rubin, man talk about Rick Rubin that that was
what that was like really in the beginning to Yeah, yeah,
Rick Rubin, Uh, I heard hold not to cut you off,
but I heard you ain't like me dog in the beginning.
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Go ahead, now, well I never I never heard Rick
Rubin not liking you. I think Rick Rubin enjoyed the
Ghetto Boys period as a whole, you know what I mean.
I feel like Bill better and he liked he liked Bill,
but he like you, Bro and Will and me Andry.
He liked Bill the best. Well, once again, face, I
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had never you know what I mean, I hadn't spend
that kind of time with the brother where he even
because we would have said that to me then I
would have had something to say about that. Go ahead,
But Rick Rubin, you know, of course the history of
Rick Rubin. He started Deaf Jam with with Russell Simmons,
you know what I mean. And uh, Rick Rubin extended
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uh invitation and opportunity to us after we had went
you know, I think gold On on which album was
that ripping on the other level and it and Rick
Rubin had something that like really got my attention that
I wanted to be a part of, and that was
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the Geffing Machine at the time, David Geffin, You know
what I mean. If you remember that, David Geffing Machine
at the time was was a powerful machine. They had
something everything. Yeah, that was Rick Rubin has left. But
you know, I felt like if we could have that
machine behind us, it would really take us to a
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whole different planet. And of course we know how that
story and David Geffen discriminated on the ghetto board. Can
you believe those hypocrits with descripted guns and roses and
they're not our ship? They say we're a racist act.
Ain't that kettle black man? You know it's been rumored
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that you are the unseen hand. Wow, yeah, they like
they have labeled you a very dangerous man. Well, I
wonder who what they do that? You know? My hands?
I mean I'm everybody see me. Um, I I used
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to everybody see me. You know how they're doing the
craft table you know that? Yeah, but you know how
that is? Man. The rumors, uh they were did they
existed back then? They existed now, they're gonna exist tomorrow. Um.
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But I think I'm more seen now than they've ever been. Man,
I have never seen you know what funny thing? Man,
I'm like social media, old man, I gonna never get
on social media and then bam, Yeah, well, I'll call
myself a justin to time, you know what I mean.
I have to learn to do that too. We can't
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never be one dimensional and stuff the dinosaur age. Know,
I never allowed that to happen to myself. And when
I came out with my book, you know, I knew
it was time for me to promote my book and
ignite let people see it. Yeah, you know what I mean,
just that time of the day. You know, people need
to pick that book up too, because there's a lot
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of jewels. It's it's a book full of jewels, man,
and and everything that you did like growing up bro,
and like wow respect wow yeah ja, what you think
about people having something to say about you injecting yourself
in the hip hop beefs and you know, trying to
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I guess bring some type of order. Yeah, I would
have to repeat that that that. Uh. At first I
started this gangster ship just the respect I get you. Yeah, okay,
I thought that was as cute. Yeah, so you know
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it's kind of hard for them, but them U say
something stronger than that. I thought that was cute, man,
Thank Himinem may have wrote that for him. I don't
know who wrote it for, but I know he said
I started this gangster ship and it's the motherfucker thanks.
I get dr He's bad. That's a bad producer. It's
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a bad man. But um man, just we give all
that success man, that came, you know in our career
as well in my career. I give all that ship
to you, bro, because you gave me some game that
um it's fucking unmatched. I always tell people that, say, man,
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James was raised by wolves and I was raised by
the wolf. So what you take that makes me? You know,
I mean kidding, take take a WILLI d to say
some ship like that about me? You know, you know
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we had always been a comedian. I remember one time,
man William Bill was fighting in the limousine. I'm just
I man, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into detail, man,
but when Bill said trench coats and gangster pussies, Willie
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went ape ship in the limo. Now you weren't at
that time, but man, can't you you know, every time
they got into some ship, I just sit back and
watch the show. Right. And then we all got more
mature and he started ignoring Bill. Yeah, I always ignored Bill.
And let's talk about this drink lawyer. You know, how
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did how did you come to talk about the alcohol
industry for a person who had it is not known
to be a drinker. You know, I remember the first
time I think I probably ever saw you drink any
type of alcohol. Was I had a I think I
(36:52):
had a No, No, it wasn't my party. We were
at a party at Fox Sports Grill and I bought
your bottle and I was like, yeah, you know you
like I bought your bottle of wine. That's the first
time I ever saw you drink. But uh, very impressive man,
you know, to see you get into this and to
see you diversify before you went from you went from
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uh the music to boxing and now and now you
are in the beverage business. Yeah, I'm really trying to
diversify my portfolio. And as you said, well I was.
I was a late bloomer when it came to drinking
because I always wanted to stay focused. I never wanted
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nothing to end of the field with my focus. You know,
in my twenties and my thirties, you know what I mean,
I wasn't gonna allow that, so I would I would
have a glass of orange juice straight making everybody think
I had gin and juice watching everything, you know what
I mean. So that was important to me to keep
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that focus. But as you can see now, you know
my choice to drink is red wine because it's a
help drink, you know what I mean. It got antoxidants,
all the good stuff. Uh in, as long as you
drink it with moderation, don't you got uncle then when
Uncle don in in in wine country? Yeah? Did you
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drinking wine up there? Back then? I have had a
glass or two up there with all That's the real
that's the real. Step on on the grapes valley up there,
half of valley in the hills. That's pretty dope. But
it's been fun. You know. It's a real lucrative business.
And actually I underestimated lawyer to you know, I pressed,
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I press. I'm thinking about CDs right anyway, Yeah, like
a half a million bottles and underestimated not a half
a million bottles, a half a million dollars worth the material.
And I underestimated it. Really one distrilled A bought everything
and I'm I'm chasing it right now, trying to catch
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up with the sales. Yeah, So it's a that's a
very good problem to have. Congratulations man, and then you
fight your your your your fight game is on point.
Everybody winning, and you got brand new fight squad right here.
You want to introduced them the Mason five, you know,
the Mason five there from Cleveland or our started. Bro Uh,
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they're just down here visiting, you know what I mean.
They're down here visiting and we just chopping it up,
you know what I mean. I had an opportunity to
observe Duela in Um in Streeport at the tournament. You know,
he went the national tournament amateur, the tournament in Streeport, Louisanna,
and he cleaned the slate and I was watching him.
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I watched his first fight. You know, this is like
all the best fighters in in Houston, I mean in
the United States that come together to compete. And he
was sixteen years old. That's I'm doing. And you know
I watched him like not only just like edge and
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badly beat these twenties something ye old men and different people,
but like stopped. He stopped a couple of they stopped
the fight. And he'd done this three times. You know.
I watched one time, said was that luck? And I
came back a couple of days later and the same thing.
And then the grand finale was this guy, I think
one like eleven Nationals, you know, Latino brother bad boy,
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and uh, he'd done the same thing, stopped dropped him
the first role and uh, you know that was amazing,
you know what I mean, that was amazing because sixteen
year old's not supposed to be able to beat up
a grown man deliver like that, right, So you know
what I mean. I that was somebody I had to meet,
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you know what I mean. And him as Fall and
all his brothers have came down and we've been like,
you know, chopping it up man, because someday I hope
and pray that I can be in business with him. Yeah. Absolutely, Hey,
talk to me about talk to us about um, the
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the press that the FEDS try to put on you.
Not not going all the way back, but I'm talking
about as for us, Like, I don't want you to
go into details and all that. I'm just what I
want to talk about. What I want you to impart
on the audiences for all of these young inspiring black
business people out there and even other people out there
who who There's certain people in the government when we
(41:38):
say government. We think of this big old entity, right,
but the government is made of individuals, human beings with
certain biases and convictions and stuff. Right, So these people
may have their own uh thing. Person might wake up
and see I don't like that guy, so he might
(41:58):
target you and decide I want to target him. You know,
how how do how do how do those people that
are in business, are trying to make it in business?
Uh make sure that they they can survive an attack,
an unwarranted attack uh against them by particular individuals that
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work within the government. Yeah. Uh, that ain't gonna really
be a short answer, but I'm I'm gonna do my best. Um.
The attack on me begun years ago and it exists
even till this day. And if you really think about it,
because it was an attack on us, you know what
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I mean. I I kind of brought you all into
that attack, and y'all stood up right there beside me,
and you know, we went to war together. But it's
so deep, you know what I mean, so deep, and
I you know, I gotta I gotta philosophy, um, and
a lot of different areas on why this happened, you
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know what I mean, I truly believe that they were
trying to stop the movement of what's taking place today.
They saw this coming to fruition, you know, everything that
we were doing, you know, from from ground zero. They
they recognize our mindsets, they recognize our actions. And then
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as we started evolving, you know what I mean, as
we started growing and evolving and becoming successful, they they
doubled down with the pressure. One of the things that's
important to do when UH you are under attacked by
fears or any police force, any anything, period, is to
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not be afraid to put the spotlight on it. And
that's something we've done through our music over and over again,
you know what I mean. We wanted to be the
voice forget olds all over the world. So we aim
together and you know in that room like this, we
we we we we. UH was like minded in that
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attack to be a voice for everybody and put the
spotlight on all the wrong doing and all the crookedness
that they were doing, that they were conspiring to do,
you know, whatever the case was. We didn't allow fear,
you know what I mean, to keep us in bundange
where they can totally destroyt And it's that word fear
that that anybody on a business or whatever it's concerned.
(44:33):
It's that word feel that you can't allow to paralyze you.
You know what I mean, Because fear is not even
of God. And if you're allowed to paralyze you, then
you defeated. We never allowed that. We can't start allowing it. Uh, today, yesterday,
all the day, so you know, put the spotlight on
whatever it may be. Yea man fears not even a god.
(44:59):
A jewel you can have the a ladies and gentlemen,
you can have that. They gave you another good one.
They gave you a good one. Fear is not of God. Man.
So all you people out there ain't pickle, don't know
about it now, but I'm gonna say this. I don't
say I'm gonna don't say it. Here we go, all
(45:22):
you people out there who believe in God. But you
know you got this fear of certain people. You know,
you got fear of even yourself and your capabilities. That's
not of God. So you already off track. If you
really really believe in God like you said you do,
you should feel no man, no woman. You should fear nothing.
(45:46):
If you really believe in God, you're the only one
to feel feel you know what I mean. That's it,
you know, And that's and that's the thing. You know,
if you think about it, a lot of us never
of our chance, ourself a chance because of that word fear. Man.
It's a it's a paralyzing uh word that stop so
(46:09):
many of us from you know, becoming who we were
called or be meant to be or whatever it may be.
You know what I mean. Just imagine if we would
have been stuck on fear. Imagine but it never happened,
you know what I mean. For example, the conversation with
Larry Hoover, you know what I meant. I remember all
(46:30):
the threats. I remember if you do this, this's gonna happen,
and that the different police departments out of Chicago. Oh yeah,
I'm getting calls, you know what I mean a lot
of the things and subject matters we spoke on was
against you know the rules where y'all side mad they
were you know what I mean, they came to my house,
(46:52):
you know what I mean. So we we never allowed
that word to paralyze us. You know, even even though
it was on comfortable, you know what I mean, it
was uncomfortable, but you know, like are willing to die
for some of those things, you know what I mean,
because I'm like, Okay, it is what it is. I'm
(47:12):
gonna stand on this to this capacity where I'm willing
to leave all out for this. So it was that
mind frame of strength, you know what I mean of
not aligned feel to paralyze us in our movement. Man,
that I think has made it for so many that
(47:33):
that's unaware of it where hip hop is concerned. Let's
go back to that fearing God that coming. So God
is this spiritual thing, that being that we're supposed to
that's supposed to be on our side, right, why should
we fear somebody that's on our side? See? And I'm
(47:55):
asking this question because you know, uh, I personally don't
fear God, you know what I'm saying. So, Man, I
don't know if I'm doing maybe I'm doing something wrong,
I don't know, but I don't fear God. I don't
fear like I don't feel like a man on the
planet because I feel like anything somebody can do to me,
(48:15):
I can do to them. So I don't That's why
I don't fear anybody like. I really just don't fear people, period.
I don't fear and I don't fear people. I I'm
not about to fear some guy in the sky or
wherever he may be. And I know that it's very,
very unpopular, and I'm sure I'm going to get some
some some calls on this one, but I just got
(48:36):
to put it out there. Fam, I just don't believe
and I and I do believe in God, but I
don't fear God. Well. I think it's uh, you know,
you can say six and half a dozen and you
can be talking about the same thing. Yeah, it's a
it's a matter of reverence in which I think you
(48:57):
have where the Creator is concerned. And I think, uh,
it's easy to like get spirituality and religious like mixed up,
you know what I mean, And a lot of people are.
I don't know how to differentiate the two, but I don't.
I know you with your thinking ability and with the
(49:19):
capacity that you the reverence you have for God not
saying anything disrespectful concerning him. But I understand you know
where you're coming from. Others may not. But it's a
reverence that you have and that's what's important, you know
what I mean. The important part is acknowledging that the Creator,
(49:40):
it is all powerful with me, all power. He not
a man, you know what I mean. He not somebody
that you know what I mean? So I respect that,
you know, And I'm a humble myself where he is concerned.
And you know, I think y'all feel the same way.
(50:00):
And on with that and with that, FAM, we conclude
the first episode of Ghetto Boys reloaded with the Great Jay, Prince, Badman, Brad,
Scarface Jordan's and I am Willie D. Thank you for
(50:23):
tuning in, FAM until next time, Oh yeah, please out.
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