February 20, 2025 • 54 mins
For our first episode, we broadcast live from NBA All-Star Weekend 2025 in the Bay Area to discuss who was the greatest shooter of the 2000’s with none other than the greatest shooter of THIS time, Stephen Curry. Stay tuned to find out who made his list and why…
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the very first episode of Goat g Ote
the Greatest of Their Era. I'm your host, sports journalist
Trevron Edwards, and along with my co host, NBA player
Seth Curry, we will once and we're all set the
score on who is the best on the hardwood by
breaking the AJO debates into eras. On today's episode, we're
going to attack the two thousands and figure out who's
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the best shooter of that era. Septh and I have
different ideas of who the goat shooter of the two
thousands is, so we asked the greatest shooter of our time,
Stephen Curry, to weigh in on the debate about the
era of shooters that shaped him.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Who from this era some players we watched model yourself
after to be obviously one of the greatest shooters ever.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So it's always uh, Reggie and Steve Nash. Those are
my two guys. But those two guys are like the
model of putting more for them together to be exactly
how I want to play.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
How's everybody doing, y'all too quiet? It's all Star weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We gotta wake up. We just get started. So you guys,
hear the afronym goat. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You hear goat, but it's the different goat. It's not
one goat, it's more than one. So Goat is the
greatest of their era. But before we even get into that,
let's let's let's do an intro. You're probably wondering, like,
who is this guy talking? Yeah, y'all know who he is,
But tell him about yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm Trey Edwards.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I've done plenty podcasts and you know, good friend of SEF.
But overall, you know, I came up with the idea
that basically I thought about all the debates that's happening
in the barbershops and text messages and things of that nature.
And you say, you know, we only get the Jordan
and Lebron's, but there's so many unsung heroes in basketball,
and you can chime in on that as as far
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as like the people that actually are really great at
their positions.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, so this is really this idea. He came to
me with the idea. This is really his baby. As
far as the whole idea of being of a goat.
What is a got you here?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I know you hear that.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's real popular right now on Sports Talk shows radio,
Who's the greatest of all time? You hear the Jordan
Lebron debates. Even before Steph was really undisputedly the best
shooter of all time, it was who's the best, who's
the best shooter? Who's the best this, who's the best that?
And I'm kind of we kind of got sick and
tired of It's like, there's so many different elements to
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being the greatest of what you do. So he came
up with the idea of g OTE, which is, like
you said, greatest of their era.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Instead of pitting the old.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Heads against the younger guys, the people who playing right
now fighting against the shacks and the people in the
in the studio, let's cut it all. Let's debate who
who played against who, Who's the best in the two thousands,
who's the best in the twenty tens, who's playing right now?
The rules are different, you know what I'm saying, The
style of plays different. There's so many elements, like I said,
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to be in the greatest of their era, and we're
here to debate, We're here to talk about it. And
it's another way for us to pay homis to the past,
show love, give them their flowers and and pay respect to.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The people who pave the way for us to be
where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Speaking of respect, I want to give a special shout
out to Splash here at Thrived City for sharing the space. So, uh,
you know you're shooter. You come from a shooter family.
Try Yeah, I mean, you know I didn't shoot that
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well when I played, so I mean I would definitely
have to take some tips from you. But I think
we should talk about two thousands, the greatest shooters of
two thousands.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, I think that's a good topic to get into.
The greatest shooters of the two thousands. We're here in
the Bay Area, like I said, the home of the
Splash Brothers, the people, so let's talk about the people
that pay for pay the way for those guys in
the two thousands and and it's so many great shooters
that that can that laid the foundation for God, like myself,
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Steph Clay, those great shooters, and they need their flowers.
And I'm sure he has a different idea of who's
the best and who than me.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
If you watch two thousands basketball, please make some noise.
I just want to make sure that I'm speaking to
the right audience. You know, I mean, we love the
kids too, but I want to make sure that people
know these names that we're actually going to be talking
about some greats And in order for the future to shine,
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you have to pay homage to the players before them,
And I think that's kind of a missing part in
the game.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, we got the young fellas in the building.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I know, y'all, I probably love the game of basketball
like myself growing up, y'all watching on YouTube whatnot. But
this pot is another way of kind of teaching the
history of the game. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We love getting basketball so much. We love the sport
so much, and it's so many young people that think,
like say it again, like Lebron was the first one
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to do what he does. Uh, Steph was the first
one to shoot pull up threes from deep. They were
not you know what I'm saying. They watched guys growing
up and they took what they did and they took
it to another level obviously. But yeah, it's another way
for us to teach history and show love to the game.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So another concept of the show is, you know, we're
gonna break as you guys, make sure that you subscribe, rate,
and review.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Listen on iHeart you know this is literally our first
pod by the way.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yes, you guys are apart you witnessing history history. We're
going to be discussing errors throughout our podcast as far
as the nineteen sixties, the nineteen seventies, the nineteen eighties, nineties,
two thousands, twenty tens, twenty twenties, where we're at now,
and we're going to talk about those players that revolutionize
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the game, that the ones before, you know what I mean,
like the familiar, the mak Mu abdu Raouf's, you know
what I mean, The Dale Ellis's, you know what I mean,
Like Del Curry's, Dale Curry's make some noise for Dale Curry.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
We don't, we don't.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
We don't get the we don't get the Curry Brothers
without Dale Curry. So you you definitely got to shout
him out, Yes, sir, Yeah, absolutely, So you're you're ready
to kick this off.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, let's get into it. Let's get int'. Let's latest.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All right, So we're posing a debate today for the
greatest shooters during the two thousands era, and for example,
Ray Allen and Reggie Miller. You guys, familiar with, those
two could potentially basically be listed as the greatest shooters
of that era.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Do you agree? Oh that's yeah. The number the numbers
speak for itself.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They obviously were before Steph Passman the all time once
they were wanted to on the list. And besides, this
is an analytics pot by any means. We're not breaking
down the numbers, p R, percentages, none of that. But
those two guys, really the way they shot the ball,
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doing it from all different levels, off the catch, off
the move, off the dribble when they walked to the gym,
you gotta garden.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Also, less shot attempts, you know what I mean, Like
I think if they got the high volume, you know
what I mean respect to the game changing where the
coaches allow players to shoot a little bit more now,
but imagine a Reggie Miller being able to shoot ten
threes a game or you know.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Whoever it is, you know what I mean, Craig Hodges.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, early two thousands, if you if you shot six
seven threes a night, it was like, oh that's crazy. Yeah,
But now that's that's probably the average for a good shooter.
And the great shooters are getting up twelve to fifteen
to night because because we know that's that's one of
the best shots of the game outside of a layup,
a three pointers, the best shot in the game. It's
been revolutionized, and back.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Then that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So for these guys to be great shooters and do
what they do was really a standout.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It was more specialist back in that day as well. Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
All right, So I wanted to talk about a guy
named Paedri Stayakovic.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Paysia.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, up the street, right up right, right right up
the street. Paedia, one of the you know at sixteen, yeah, sixteen,
could put it on the ground a headache.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
You know. He played for the MAVs as well.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Gotti Marine, but in the two thousands of the Sacramento
Kings spreading the floor. Tell me what you uh you
know took from Pasia during that time just watching as
a as a as a young team.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, Paedia was a weapon because he was with height,
with that type of shooting touches is crazy in of itself.
Sixth like I said, six nine, probably sixteen, Yeah, with
the best shooter on the floor when they be walking
to the gym, he was.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
He was a weapon of himself.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And then on top of that, he went into the
three point contest and put on the show what two
three times? And I think that really stamped him as
one of the greatest shooters of that era.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Sure, all right, what about Gilbert Arenas.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Gil a real score? Yes, a score?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
First of for he's not he's a I mean underrated
shooter in the grand scheme because he was, but he's
probably one of the first to extend the range. He
probably laid that because he wasn't a total line three
point type of guy. Yep, he was going to give buckets.
Not looking the pass by any means. But he if
he had to take two three steps by on the
line to get up, get up some shots, he was
doing it. He was knocking it down at a high rate.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Still the only player to score sixty on the Lakers buckets.
All right and stables, Steve Nash. Nash, make some noise
for Steve Nash.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Steve Nash is the guy we watched probably the most
in our household growing up. He's a guy who you
talk about shooting from all levels, floaters, the one that
get running the shots, yep. Pulling back to the mid range. Obviously,
he had the three ball off the drip off to catch,
and he was probably the first, well I don't know
about the first, but he was.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
He's a fifty to forty ninety guy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So the fifty forty ninety, fifty from the field, forty
from three to ninety from free throw. And if you're
in that club, you automatically go into the upper echelon
of great shooters. Yes, and you're doing it at all levels.
I think, what's that? Who's in that group? Steve Stieve,
Steph Steph kd yep. I want to say Kyrie, Yeah,
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Larry Bird.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's it's it's a very small company. It's not big.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's hard to get in there. I was close a
couple of times, but I think the free throws got
me a.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Year or two. What about Alan Houston?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Alan, tell me about Allan Houston. Alan Houston. His nickname
is H two Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Think about that. H two oh is what? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Water that means it's just straight cash.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Soon as they leave his hand. Yeah, they had the
guard and jumping.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yes, absolutely, I think Allan Houston could go get twenty
right now.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Oh yeah, he still look good. Yeah, you seen me.
I think he's working for the next right now. Yeah,
but yeah, he was a he was a bucket.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
He was.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
He was one of those guys like back then they
ran a lot of floppy actions where you could pin down, run,
come off either side, and they were shooting a lot
of mid range jump shots.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
But he did at a high level. He did a
high level when we talk about shooters.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
For me, shooting is my criteria to be a great shooter,
not just three point shooting.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
You got to be able to do it from everywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I'm cool with the MIDI just as much as anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So you mentioned criteria, right, and for criteria just because
you're in a three point contest or you made a
few shots or you know anything, there's a level to
the three point shooting, elite three point shooting at least,
you know what I mean. And like as we were
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kind of carving this lists out and you know, people
were like, oh, you got to throw this person on,
You gotta throw this person on. I mean like somebody
threw the head in for Jason Kapono.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right, yeah, Jason, Yeah, talking about like it's levels as
far as when you walk in the gym, the great shooter.
They don't want to let you get a shot off,
so you gotta find ways to get shots well. That
that's coming off screens, doing it yourself, off the dribble,
taking steps back, shooting from deep. But then you have
the obviously the great knockdown shooters who if you leave
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them wide opening, they got a corner tray. It it cash,
it's automatic, which great shooters, but it's a different category
as far as when you got to do it every
night and you're a high level score along with the
shooting ability.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We talked about Coupono.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
He's a guy who was one of those stand still,
you leave me open a cast, So you don't want
to leave me open, but if you guard me, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna shoot eight nine threes and
get him up. But he's another guy who was an
All Star Weekend celebrity, Ycau. He came in into the
three point contest to put on the show.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I mean we mentioned, you know, as we were getting
ready for this talk about how you can make basically
make your career at All Star Weekend having a great performance.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, that's All Star Weekends is a lot of times
the first time people see you. So some of these
guys who are great shooters, great dunkers, whatever the case.
They come in the building and they're not really known
throughout the throughout the league, but they coming into the
All Star weekend, they go on that stage, but the
only one shooting the three point shots and and they
put on and and they and they win it. That
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can propel their career to different heights, give them that
confidence to go back to their team and shoot the
heck out of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yeah, all right, So the next person, Chauncey.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Billups, Chauncey, Chauncey big shot, big shot, mister big shot
for real, talk to him.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
All right, So Chauncey Billups. You know a lot of
people like to you know, I don't I don't know
if he gets enough credit as a shooter. Sometimes he
makes He's actually a toll on the line guy. Yeah,
facts and that and and for tolling a line is like,
you know, it's still a three pointer, but it's probably
like the most like.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's the most comfortable. It's most comfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it's like a casual jump shot kind of or
so if you're giving it to me, I'm gonna take it,
and I'm an knock it.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Down.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He was another guy who could shoot the ball off
the dribble, off the catch. Obvious they give you the
late has he in the clutch?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah? So yeah, you know it's an underrated shooter when
you talk, when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So you mentioned like on the catch, off the dribble,
right in those particular situations, Right, how would you describe yourself?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
What is your strength?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Either my strength is off the catch. I feel like
I'm a guy who's if you one one or if
you leave me open this cash.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I prot myself on knocking down the open ones. That's
but also I can put it on the floor. I'm
like I said, I don't. I don't discriminate with the
MIDI So to me, that's why it's so poor for
me to talk about shooters. You gotta be able to
do it from like I keep saying, every single level.
You can't just be a three point shooter and I
have a little bit of mid range in your game.
You gotta make free throws at a high level.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And that's why I love Steve Nash so much, because, yeah,
he any shot you give him its, he's making it
at a.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
High rate another guy, Jason Terry j T.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, Jason, this is one of the guys who
early in my career when I went to Dallas, this
is who they compare me to as a shooter. WHI
was crazy because he I think he's sitting in the
league now. He played for Rick Carlott for a long
time in Dallas, won the championship with those guys, and
he was a six man in but he was a
versatile scorer.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
He shot the ball coming off handoffs, off pinned down.
She could do it off the dribble. And an undersized guy,
so sometimes it's hard to get your shot off.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Against long defenders in the league. But he was.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He was an underrated scorer and shooter who did it
everywhere on the floor and in big moments in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Absolutely, I mean you should see him in Atlanta, Atlanta.
He was going to the rack at things that that's
kind of underrated.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's a good name, j T. Yeah. What about what.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
About the Lakers coach JJ Reddick JJ my fellow Douchie,
my fellow dukie. Yeah, JJ, he was a he's kind
of a more of a I want to say, one
trick pony but he was more of a simple type shooter. Yeah,
coming off screens both ways, pinned downs. I think in
the league he kind of developed his his game a
little bit more as far as being able to put
the ball on the floor and shoot threes that way.
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But yeah, he mastered the art of the footwork. So
like he did one or two things extremely well every
night in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Okay, I wanted to get the audience participation.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
That we live. So let's I want to hear from
y'all answer some questions.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So if you have a question, just make a little
foul line right here.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh he's coming up. Kyle Korver. Kyle Korver one of
the greatest to ever do it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
In that JJ Reddick realm to me right, but a
little taller so like he could. That's one of those
guys that got earlier in my career who was tough
because you could be all in his jersey.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
He was still gonna raise up and shoot over you.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Being six seven six eight, could shoot on the move
and he shot like. He's one of those guys who
he didn't have a hiss balance him and Ja they
are something they didn't have to have their full balance
when they when they went up rose up to shoot
to be able to knock it down, they will be
leaning falling out of bounce. Just the level of difficulty
in some of those shots is not respected enough.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So you mentioned about defending right, when defending a shooter
or just being on being defended, what's the most difficult
as a shooter to get open?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think for me when like for me, he usually
want to take away to the line of sight to
the back, So they put a lot of long, rangy
defenders on shooters. So I mean when you're coming like saying,
we come to gym known to the shooter, you gotta
find different ways to get it off every night. Your
your your shot distribution might be different, especially in my
case when you're not a the main guy on the
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team or as far as a target like that you
got to you gotta be ready at all times. And
then when you have guys like the Steve nashas who
and whoever, the Jason terryor who are vocal points in
their offense, they know the shots that they're gonna get
and teammates are trying to get them open on the
nightly basis.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
So it's different levels.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Of who like we say, and the height, the height
aspect of it is not is very important as well,
because a lot of times you don't have to be over.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You could just raise up and shoot over guys.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, we got we got another person
up there.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
What you got? How you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
What do you think about Michael Rad? Give me some
Michael Rad, the leftist, the lefty Michael Rad. I don't
think Michael Rad get talked about enough. He does not. Nah.
I think he had a shooter shorter career. WHI is that?
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well, Chris Middleton, you know, we're in number twenty two,
kind of overshadow because he ended up having some early success,
but Michael Rad dealt with like a lot of injuries.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
He never had the playoff success.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I think he wasn't on a big stage a lot
to be talked about enough, But he was really one
of the greatest shoots I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean he got a fifty burger, you know
what I'm saying with Milwaukee. But when when you really
think about Michael Red, he could get going at any time,
and if you lose sight of him, like it's gonna
be a long night.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Now, he did it in Big games, did in the
All Star I mean the three point.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Contest and then on the orthodox type of shot, So
like you look at him, you know what his shot
looks like, little sling lefty over the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Cash, all right, we got the next person.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Congrats on the podcast guys, thank you. This is less
specific on a certain player, but across all these different
guys that you're mentioning, what are the top three traits?
Would you say that they have to become the greatest
of their era.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
That's a good question to me.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think that's why these debates and these topics of
SOD are so good because it's subjective really when you
think about it, everybody has their own different criteria to
what they feel isn't great, Like for me, accoladeslay play apart, statistics,
play apart skill, the different skill sets you have play apart,
doing it on different on the big stage, how much
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you won, It's all subjected to the different type of person,
what they like flair, you know what me saying. Some
people like to see a certain esthetic shooting the ball
or drip on or whatever it is. So I think
every individual person has their own criteria for what they
feel is the greatest of individual errors.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
What well, one thing that I mean early on, especially
when your brother passed, you know, Reggie and Ray, there
was a lot of like conversation about, oh, he takes
more threes, so that's why he caught up faster, And
that was a huge you know, I'm a huge I
love the nineties.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Make some noise if you love the nineties.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right now, we debate all the time about just how
the game looks. It's kind of like, you know, it's
not rough to watch, but it's just a different pace.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, it's a lot of things going on.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I feel like shooters weren't as like they were used
sparingly as much as now, the freedom that you guys
have now to shoot.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
They are more specialists.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Back in the day, everybody it was a lot of specialists. Yeah,
everybody had different skill sets, more specialists. Now then we're
talking about the three point shot and shooting. There's so
many three pointers now. It seems like a lot of teams,
a lot of players are trying to fit the mold
of play a certain type of style.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So back then, in these different eras of nineties to
two thousands, I feel like there were more different types
of play styles because everybody wasn't trying to get up
forty forty five fifty threes a night.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
For Reggie to.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hold that record for so long, right and his you know,
I used to think he shot a lot more than
how you know, when you really think about it, he
didn't shoot that many threes. He was shooting a lot
of middies. He was getting to the right, he had
complete game. But yeah, a shooter now, a shooter you
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strictly think three point shooting. Getting in two thousands and nineties,
whatever the shooting you were, you were spread.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You were stretching out to eighteen feet twenty feet coming
off pin down, shooting a lot of middies, which which
really is crazy because they actually this spread the floor
back then because a lot of it was always a
lot of bigs and people in the paint.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So if you could shoot a eighteen twenty foot that
was big for your team.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Absolutely, you got a question, Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Uh, what would you think about Lebron James as a shooter,
like everything combined with Lebron?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's it's very debatable, right, I think most people think
consider him the gold in the individual standpoint right when
you think about it, and then you have people that
think Michael Jordan's the gold Some people think that Kareem
I've ujah Bars the goat, you know what I mean.
You got people that think Bill Russell's the goat. It's
very subjective, like you mentioned before, So if you think
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Lebron's the goat, I wouldn't be mad at you, you
know what I mean, because that's what you've seen, and
I think at this point that's what we you know,
that was like the main mission of this pod is
more so to kind of not push back on certain
situations of like saying, you know, you weren't alive during
that time, So I can't be mad at you for
thinking that a certain player is the goat in that way,
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you know what I mean. So it's super subjective, but
Lebron is, how I normally put it, is one of
the goats. To sit at the table, you know what
I mean, Like even to be in the conversation, it's
very tough to even get a seat, you know what
I mean. Like as we're talking about shooters, it's not
many people. Just because you can make threes don't mean
that you get a seat at the table, you know
what I mean, like it's it's a it's a whole
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you know, nuance in that conversation of even belonging.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So yeah, that's the that's the point of why we
created this pot said, it's what you like. It's different
eras it's split them up. You talk about Lebron and
what he's done, he's I mean, n disputedly. We don't
have to argue the gold of the twenty tens or whatever,
this era of this era right here. And also it
wouldn't be a Lebron if it wasn't a Jordan who
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was in the nineties in his era.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
So that's why it's so cool. All right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So we mentioned all these players, right, and it's time
to rank these players.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But before we do that, I.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Think it's time to bring out our guests.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So we mentioned all these players, right, and it's time
to rank these players. But before we do that, I
think it's time to bring out our guests. Make some
noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Sit down. He missed. He missed media availability for this,
so we appreciate it. They appreciate it. What's happening what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes, obviously we're talking we're talking two thousand shooters in
here today, not twenty ten ninety two thousands.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
So this is basically from oh nine to what's the
Lee Way? And they got drafted.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, you're not in this category. You had a half
a year in the two thousands, right, So so what
we're talking about so like the point of the spots
to pay homage, to debait, have some fun, but also
give the flowers to the different eras the older players.
Let me be answer this question before, but who like
from this era? Some players we watched model you yourself
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after to be obviously one of the greatest shooters ever.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So it was always uh, I mean Reggie and Steve Nash.
Those are my two guys. We used to my, Uh,
I don't know what year my mama down here, mama, Uh,
what year did I play in that little game at
the uh the bow Jangles Coliseum and Charlotte remember that
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we were the baggy Jerseys. No, no, no, it's I
was a kid like like seven eight somewhere in there,
and I had on like the double XL Reggie Miller jersey. Uh.
But those two guys were like the the model of
putting more for them together to be exactly how I
want to play on the or shoot on the court.
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Because Steve was a little bit more off the dribble,
a little creative one foot two foot fade lean side.
He anyway, as a shorter guy, you got to figure
out different ways to get your release off. And then
Reggie was just all off ball for me, like just
watching him the whole possession, how he created space, got
your shoulder into you, changing direction, change the speed. It
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was a master class every night. So those two are
my absolute favorite to watch. Kyle Korver, yep ye, we
talked about him. He was a guy playing against him.
You notice it only needs like literally two seconds, no
matter how far fast he's moving. As soon as he
catches he could release it, let it go. We had
specific Kyle Korver rules on how to guard him because
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he was if he was coming out of that right corner.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You had to send you had to send him. You
wanted him to go right left, right, yes, yes, so
you had to send him to the left side of
the wing because it was he was he went down
as comfortable going that way.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
If he was coming the other way, they run a
whole playbook just off of getting him. Uh sets coming
to us, right, Ben Gordon.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
That's a that's what That's a sneaky one as hey
I would have brought up, but I was watching Ben
Gordon at Yukon too. But when you really think about
Ben Gordon, he can get hot at any time. He
can shoot it from anywhere, right, And I think that's
around two thousand and five Gilbert's and those guys were
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kind of like really trying it, like just trying to
get they shot off. Like you said, mentioned hundersized guards.
Gil was a little bigger, but just letting it fly.
I think Ben Gordon, you know, I mean he has
check the box score.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, we're talking about types of shooters. He's a different
category shooter as far you got set shooters, guys who
jump a little bit. He was literally bouncing off that shot. Yes,
absolutely get hurt sometimes.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Did y'all talk about the difference between or is there
a differen between scores and shooters?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes, brief yes, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Briefly, I didn't know what y'all definition was. Because as
you bring up different names, it's like a little bit
of a gray area with some of them.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, we kind of brought that when we brought up
Gilbert Arenas. Yes, that was the name of Yes, Okay,
just a shooter, and I was talking about him. It's
probably one of the first guys to really extend the range. Yeah,
really take He was a scorer, so he was trying
to get a shot up by any means. So he
was taking two three steps back shooting up six seven
attempts from what twenty five thirty feet?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
In the tier of criteria, where do you find the
qualification to be and considered an elite shooter? You guys
played against all types of shooters in your career, but
like as far as respect level, not saying and that's
not a knock to anybody, but there's elite shooters because
like somebody can have a better three point percentage year
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than you. They're getting it up, they're making shots cool,
but nobody's going to say, yo, they're the best. It's
just a level to it, you know what I mean.
So what's the criteria to become elite? What is the
qualifications that you look at and you say, he could
sit at the table with us.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
It kind of goes hand in hand with what I
was talking about. With Kyle Korver. When you have a
scouting report and you're on the list as not just
a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we
guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime
you're wide open, like you might as well just count
that and get on back on defense. So you approach
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it a certain way, Like there's certain coverages if you're
at like we call it a top lot where the
defense is literally not worried about anything that's going on
behind you. You just don't let that person come off
a screen or come off clean on the perimeter looking
for a shot. You just literally your goal is they
got to run through your chest if they want any
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type of space. Like those type of guys when you
make that list, it's like somebody that's guarded that way.
Percentages can fluctuate year to year the beginning of the year,
like people get hot streaks and all that, but there's
a very short list of guys that you walked into
a sky reporter or coaches me and they're like, hey,
we got we gotta approach it different.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
A lot of coaches scout reports, you label them. You
have hot players, cold players, still different, right fire Yeah,
no matter what you could. It could be somebody who
had shooting twenty percent on the month. They still gonna
be on that that scout report as a hot player
because that they had the REP. Or somebody who's having
a hot week, made four threes or whatever last game.
But you know you're still gonna leave them with sag
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off of them, not guard them, whatever the case, because
it's it's the REP. And that's how you know what
level of category a shooter you're in. Also, it's nothing
better than walking in the game. I ain't made a
shot all game. I'll go down to the corner front
of the other the bitch and like shooter, shooter. All
you hear to all the coaches, all the players, shooters
stay home, stay home, don't leave them. It's nothing better.
It's no better feeling than that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, that's like the ultimate nod in respect for real.
When you're thinking about I'm just kind of like now
I'm really thinking about as far as the criteria of
and we mentioned about three point contents, right, you've you've
been in the a three point contest. What's the most
difficult thing as like to.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Even be invited?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You have to make a lot of you know, you
have to be considered a specialist in that situation. What
is the toughest thing from game to being center like
center of attention because you're by yourself out there. The
difference between that.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The experience is about to happen in like a couple hours.
And I was talking to Buddy about it, because he's
done it, I think four times or so he's won
and once and like the practice, it's all about timing yourself,
like knowing where you're getting, like getting into an actual rhythm,
being able to take in the clock, make some misses.
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The emotional roller coaster of it, how you start like
clearing your mind all that in the game you're having
to worry about a bunch of other stuff, and then
the shots the last thing, and you kind of go
in the autopilot after that, like everything everything else is
hard about getting open or remembering the play or no
where your defender is, and then once you catch, it's
just that's just autopilot. And three point contests, it's exact opposite.
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You're micro managing everything like where's my foot at? Oh,
where the ball at?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
How much time I got left?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh I just missed two in a row, I need
this one, that type of thing, and it happens so
fast your mind starts spinning.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So on top of that, you're the only one out
there shooting, like I've never been more nervous.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
That first ratd my first I feel good.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'm not nervous as soon as that spotlight come on
me by myself in the arena, the whole arena watching
me by myself. I'm not out there with none other
players like usual and a rhythm, it's me so once
you usually once you get there that first right, you
feel your legs, you get your rhythm going, you feel
a lot better, and it's it's different shooters from as
far as game like we were talking about that. We
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brought up Jason Capono, right, oh yeah, so you got
the the elite knockdown shooter as far as he was
really good in three point contests, then had the craziest.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
NBA Harris type.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Talking about though, that's a different level of shooter too,
as far as really good just fundamentally sound spot up
shooters and then game shooters who don't do it, they
don't do it as well off the move or whatever,
off the dribble, so that's two different cas.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's like when you if you're like we talk about Clay,
like I would never teach anybody to shoot like me
or so because we don't have textbook form but feel
and hand out coordination, spatial awareness, like we're e lite
at that. But it's not like it's not pretty, it's
not ideal. It's not ideal at all, like Clay is.
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If I from scratch, if I'm like, this is how
you're supposed shoot the basketball. That's how you're supposed to
shoot the basketball, like extension, high release, like it's perfect
and he can do it all different type of ways.
But yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
So for the young players in the audience right, if
they were to they wanted to be a three point specialist,
what advice could you give them as far as, like
you said, you guys don't want to touch your shot.
Most coaches kind of the rupt shooting forms and things
like that. I shot with the chicken wing for a
long time before I kind of got it in a
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little bit closer, and I worked with a couple of coaches,
But what advice would you give as far as improving
shot percentage? And then just like the mental approach. You
know what I mean as far as that.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
The mental approach is tough because that is to me,
that's something you can develop, you can get better at,
but it's not quantifiable. It's not like I can tell
you to have more confidence. Oh what does that mean?
Like it God, almost have to trick yourself into thinking,
like being stubborn, like I don't know, I missed ten
in the row. Okay, that doesn't matter. This next one's
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going in. That's just trained over time and time and
reps and reps, being able to deal with failure like
all that, Like the simple mental stuff. From a physical standpoint,
I wouldn't You might change somebody's if I watched somebody's shoot,
I might change a specific part of you know, maybe
wear their hands on the ball or like you said,
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your elbow play. But I wouldn't do too much reconstruction
on anybody. I would just try to make it as
repeatable as possible, so that whether you're shooting a ten
foot shot or a twenty five foot shot, that's almost
it's very the same kind of motion and the same
type of approach. ARC probably is the one thing that
you can change the most to give yourself it's just physics.
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It's giving yourself a better chance. You're increasing the size
of the of the rim with more arc you have,
so that the ball has more chance to get in.
If it's flat, it only has a specific amount of
room to get in the basket. Like you could you
could change that a little bit, Like arc is extremely important.
We can nerd out about this all day long. It's
like the spin on the ball, like all that type
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of stuff. So yeah, you could try to keep it
as simple as possible, but the mental is hard to
quantify because the either you have it or you don't.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
We have a segment born in the wrong era.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Every episode talk about these players and if they're born
where they born in the wrong era except per se
why you think about a player from the two thousands
he might have I'm gonna answer my own question that
I'm that I'm posing about, y'all. I'm going with Ray
Allen because Ray Allen, if he shot it was he
he was in today's era. Shooting ten, yeah, prime shooting ten, twelve,
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fifteen three is a game everything would grow up.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
He would be on.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
He would be up there with you as far as
three point mats, and he was like when he played,
he was a he was a legit scorer as well.
He was shooting a lot of mid ranges, just not
as many threes because it was it was kind of
taboo back then. But I would love to see a
guy like reality in today's era. Shooting twelve on the
average three is a game.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I'm gonna go Evince BC. I'm gonna go with Vince
Carter for the exact same reasons, because you take his
athleticism yep, and then you free him up to say, hey,
shooting twelve three's a game is cool?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, yeah, which you got. He was underrated shooter to
me later he became a.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Three point specialist late in his Career's.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, he added, he was he could shoot it good
enough early, but he added, literally he was a you
gotta run him off the line.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Imagine him and his from what you gonna give up
or shoot twelve threes? That's for me.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm gonna say, Gilbert Arenas, I just think that gil Yeah,
he shot a lot of shots. But if it was
technically like, all right, this is the style of play
that we're playing, and it's a little bit looser and
we're about to just shoot the deep ball, like you
know what I mean, Like overall, like I don't know,
I don't know how and through basically through those three
healthy seasons that he had, right and it's just like
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I don't know, the points per game would be so
much higher, you know, I mean, it'd be harder to
defend because he's I mean, you got a chance to
play against him like your rookie year and maybe the
year after that.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
But like he's a.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Big guard, you know what I mean, So like people
forget how big he is the shoulders, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh, I would want to see Gil rained in a
little bit Like in the two thousands, they didn't care
about percentages.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
It's true shooting.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
In fact, they didn't care about it was like how
many points did you call the night straight box score?
If you If they put a little pressure on him
to be a little bit more efficient, he probably would
have been.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Thought the game different. It would have been way better.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I agree with that. The discipline of like figuring out
at night tonight, it would have just locked them in
a little bit more and gave him a little bit
more to kind of figure out. I like that. I
like the way you put that. It's like some people
think the opposite.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
We're trying not to talk a lot of analytics in.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
This spot, like it has to come in a little bit.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I'm gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So we have another topic, archetype comparisons from the era. Basically,
you think about the player in the two thousands and
comparing them to the current era. You got one choice,
I got I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Go, Uh, what do we talk about Dirk as a shooter? Yeah,
so I'm going Dirk. I'm putting off there with Winby OKP,
the tall you can be all in a jersey. They
don't see you as a contest good shooter. They obviously
they use two don't shoot as probably as good as Dirk.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yep, consistently, but they jump shooters first.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And like I said, it don't matter what you do defensively,
it's make or miss when it comes to those two.
And also today they're kind of developed more modernized as
far as shooting more threes. Dirt was a mid range
elbow guy, eighteen foot. He shot threes, but not a lot,
probably three to four game. And they're modernized shooting more
threes and less midties because that's not what we want today.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I'm tripping. What's uh my guy from Portland, Brendan Roy,
Brandon Roy and Roy for Brandon Roy. I apologize Brandon.
There's no way I should have blanked right now. It's
been a long All Star weekend. I apologize. But Brandon
Roy with like Jalen Brown type okay, where it's like
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a big wing that has all three level You can
put it on the floor, iso can run a set
to come off and knock down a shot when the
game slows down. That's kind of when they thrive because
they can take advantage of mismatches on the post or
play it a little bit of the perimeter against Biggs,
so a little bit of a reach because they move different,
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but it's the same kind of position, the same way
to get their buckets.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, they got a name for us.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
You got something. You had your handle with the conviction.
So I'm gonna get with your life.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
How would you guys go past tall defenders? Sit again?
How would you go past tall defenders? We've been doing
it our whole life.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Get used to it.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
And I don't want to give away the secrets because
they might be n playing. You got to be able
to uh, It's all about just getting them off balance
just a little bit and then be able to take
advantage of that really quickly to not let them reset.
I struggle with it early, especially in college, because with
length and reach, they could play like a They could
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play a step lower than they usually do and affect
a shot. So you kind of have to engage in
with the dribble to bring them in a little bit.
And as soon as you get them off balance, then
you're able to either get to a step back because
you got them, you got leverage. You can not push off,
but you can use your body or you're getting around
them getting to the basket. And then you got to
work on all your finishes that keep it away from
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a late shot block. So you just got to be
able to be comfortable in that tight space because if
you panic, then they got you.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
You'd be at yes size and athleticism with skill, craftiness
and reps. Really that's what that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, you got an archetype, my archetype man. I was
thinking about Rashard Lewis and dang like a more of
a like a big I didn't want to say KD
you know what I mean, But I was thinking I
might do that from like, uh yeah, yeah, that was
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Rishard Lewis, and like more so I'm just trying to
think of like because everybody they chucking now, you know
what I mean, like it's one it's one of them leagues,
Like I don't think it's And that's that's a whole
other conversation of like now we're at the point of
there's no bad shot, and that's a little.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Bit of frustrating.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Like mikel Bridges, Michael.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Bridges, Yeah, I mean I like that. I mean he's
kind of tall.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Like from that point, what's the guy? What's the homide
from the Rockets? Smith? Like that I gotta lock in bad.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, I like the Lewis j Barie Smith. That's a
good Yeah, big tall, three four pros. Yeah, we see him.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
He can shoot the ball.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
So we got one more question and then we'll kind
of go into like our rankings.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I was gonna ask you, well, what do you think
about Jimmy on the team?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It's a great question. Jimmy's been great, Like we got
good energy. It's a different look for us. We're trying
to build the chemistry on the flop mid season trades
are hard, right because our team is the same but
drastically different from one day to the next, and you're
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you have no time to really practice, you have a
limited time to watch film and try to get a
game plan. But Jimmy's such a high IQ basketball player
that the fit makes sense right now because you can
kind of just roll the ball out and like, hey,
just make good basketball players and something good will happen.
So he's not even in shape yet, so I can't
wait for him to get back into actual like mid
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season break exactly four games and then go chill for
a week come back. But we're we're excited about this
little thirty game sprint we got and see what we
can get.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
We got time for one more, one more, and we're
gonna get to it. How about stefarm Malberry, see one
of your toughest opponents.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I ain't that old, never played against him, but nah,
but the idea he he's in a score round. To me,
he is in the score room. And I watched the
it was a two thousand and one All Star game.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah he was the net.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah he has some big shots down the stret That's
the guy that you just fear on the court. Because
you one, he has no conscience at all. He got
off the balance, athleticism, strength, he can get to the
I mean, I don't know a mid range was all right,
but yeah, all three, all three levels.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
I mean that's a whole other conversation about that long too.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Right over.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
They loved it.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
They loved it, Kobe and those guys.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
So yeah, like tough shots.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
So they stepped in. They just felt more comfortable. They
were had no problem where they feed were. Now it's
like we're looking down. We gotta get back behind the lines.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Before it was like coaches, yell, let you know if
you take that shot.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Oh yeah, that's a bad shot.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Bad I rememberers and ers on end. The SVA used
to get caught all the time, like just foot.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
On the line. To toos, long toos.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
That's it's gonna get real right here. I'm gonna give
you my top Can I give you my just give
you my top tier? Yeah, in from order for five
to onep tier number five. I got Kyle Korver, right,
tough and stuff. Come on, before I got dirt, okay,
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one of the former teammate of mine.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Love dirt. One of the best shootings ever. Do it
three Reggie okay. Two who had two? Ray Allen okay.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Two and one is Steve Nash because he's like we
talked about the fifty forty ninety club. He's in that
maybe twice and he done from all levels. So like
three catch and shoot threes off the dribble threes midis
he had the one leg of runners in the paint
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jump shots off the glass. It's not a shot he
can't make at a high level.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
My talking about my idol, I don't this wild on
My only knock is volume.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
He was fifty forty ninety and a very efficient on
twelve attempts. Okay, okay, So my thing about volume is
a big deal. I wouldn't have him in that top
tier because of that. Like I almost put kd like
in there, Yeah, in that category because of the same
thing you just said. But volume two.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yeah, but this is two. He ain't have volumes more,
but he was.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
He was unique. He was uniquely low volume though compared
to everybody in that Yeah.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
Yeah, so that's my only not that's fair, but yeah,
I got Pagia at five, nothing like that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
I got.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Kyle Korver at four. I got Alan Houston at three,
Alan Houston, I got Reggie Miller at two. I can't
go wrong and I got reality that one.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
You can't go wrong there. High school stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
High school stuff was past first.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
You shoot low volume, Steve Nash.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
And a little inefficient.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Hey, you do your top five.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
I'm sorry the era parts killing because I'm mad at
people that ain't eligible to two thousand. It ain't eligible, Leeway,
but Ray Reggie, what Kyle's eligible on this? Yes, Ray
Reggie Kyle Pajia page page page of five, dirt.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Four Pasia is a lead. Okay, I'm mad im I
left them off my list, but I still like my list.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yes, I love it. Okay, So we got a question.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Heard a great phrase recently. I'd love for you to
talk about it. Can you talk about selective amnesia and
why it's important to just like forget what's going on
and put it in the past and stay present. Control
what you can control. There's a concept in we we
love playing golf. There's a concept in golf where if
you're in order to be really good at golf, you
have to be really dumb or really smart. If you're
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anywhere in between, then you're probably not gonna be a
good golfer because the selective amnesia part is like the
intentionality of like the inner conversation in your head is
all right, I acknowledge, Oh I miss five in a row.
Now what are you gonna do about it? Those you
haven't these actual conversations in your head. It doesn't happen
on like on autopilot. It doesn't happen naturally. You have
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to force yourself into that. And it's over and over
again possession quarter game season, and you can choose whether
to block out the negative or like in envision or
dream like the positive about what can happen. So it
can go either way depending on the move for me.
But it's the selective part is just intentional, like you
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have to be able to be present in your mind
and have that inner dialogue be h be positively directing
you to you know, move into the next shot and
keep your confidence.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
So we have we've gave our five and as for
the audience to see who had the best five and
tally this win and then we'll carry it over to
the next episode where we're going. You guys can keep
track and see who's who's winning between myself and Seth.
So uh for steps five, make some noise if you
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feel that he should win the debate today.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Steve Nash at the top, Steve Nash, Ray, Allen, Reggie Dirk.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
For mine, we had Paysia, Alan Houston, Reggie Miller. We
have Ray, Allen, Kyle Korver.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
So what about my team?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
They like it?
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Ain't rocking with it? All right? We'll try, right, Do
you remember yours?
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Reggie Ray Just for the record, is Reggie Ray Corver dirtag.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Okay, okay, I want to say you one sef, I
agree you got you gotta convince me, all right.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Chris Mullen, that's a different era. Yeah, he'd being any
top five list in the nineties for sure.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
So that's where you stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
And the next time we talk about the nineties, that's
when we were chiming about Chris Muller. We have to
end it now, but we want to shout out unanimous.
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or wherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome to the very first episode of Goat g Ote
the Greatest of Their Era. I'm your host, sports journalist
Trevron Edwards, and along with my co host, NBA player
Seth Curry, we will once and we're all set the
score on who is the best on the hardwood by
breaking the AJO debates into eras. On today's episode, we're
going to attack the two thousands and figure out who's
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the best shooter of that era. Septh and I have
different ideas of who the goat shooter of the two
thousands is, so we asked the greatest shooter of our time,
Stephen Curry, to weigh in on the debate about the
era of shooters that shaped him.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Who from this era some players we watched model yourself
after to be obviously one of the greatest shooters ever.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So it's always uh, Reggie and Steve Nash. Those are
my two guys. But those two guys are like the
model of putting more for them together to be exactly
how I want to play.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
How's everybody doing, y'all too quiet? It's all Star weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We gotta wake up. We just get started. So you guys,
hear the afronym goat. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You hear goat, but it's the different goat. It's not
one goat, it's more than one. So Goat is the
greatest of their era. But before we even get into that,
let's let's let's do an intro. You're probably wondering, like,
who is this guy talking? Yeah, y'all know who he is,
But tell him about yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm Trey Edwards.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I've done plenty podcasts and you know, good friend of SEF.
But overall, you know, I came up with the idea
that basically I thought about all the debates that's happening
in the barbershops and text messages and things of that nature.
And you say, you know, we only get the Jordan
and Lebron's, but there's so many unsung heroes in basketball,
and you can chime in on that as as far
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as like the people that actually are really great at
their positions.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, so this is really this idea. He came to
me with the idea. This is really his baby. As
far as the whole idea of being of a goat.
What is a got you here?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I know you hear that.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's real popular right now on Sports Talk shows radio,
Who's the greatest of all time? You hear the Jordan
Lebron debates. Even before Steph was really undisputedly the best
shooter of all time, it was who's the best, who's
the best shooter? Who's the best this, who's the best that?
And I'm kind of we kind of got sick and
tired of It's like, there's so many different elements to
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being the greatest of what you do. So he came
up with the idea of g OTE, which is, like
you said, greatest of their era.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Instead of pitting the old.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Heads against the younger guys, the people who playing right
now fighting against the shacks and the people in the
in the studio, let's cut it all. Let's debate who
who played against who, Who's the best in the two thousands,
who's the best in the twenty tens, who's playing right now?
The rules are different, you know what I'm saying, The
style of plays different. There's so many elements, like I said,
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to be in the greatest of their era, and we're
here to debate, We're here to talk about it. And
it's another way for us to pay homis to the past,
show love, give them their flowers and and pay respect to.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The people who pave the way for us to be
where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Speaking of respect, I want to give a special shout
out to Splash here at Thrived City for sharing the space. So, uh,
you know you're shooter. You come from a shooter family.
Try Yeah, I mean, you know I didn't shoot that
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well when I played, so I mean I would definitely
have to take some tips from you. But I think
we should talk about two thousands, the greatest shooters of
two thousands.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, I think that's a good topic to get into.
The greatest shooters of the two thousands. We're here in
the Bay Area, like I said, the home of the
Splash Brothers, the people, so let's talk about the people
that pay for pay the way for those guys in
the two thousands and and it's so many great shooters
that that can that laid the foundation for God, like myself,
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Steph Clay, those great shooters, and they need their flowers.
And I'm sure he has a different idea of who's
the best and who than me.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
If you watch two thousands basketball, please make some noise.
I just want to make sure that I'm speaking to
the right audience. You know, I mean, we love the
kids too, but I want to make sure that people
know these names that we're actually going to be talking
about some greats And in order for the future to shine,
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you have to pay homage to the players before them,
And I think that's kind of a missing part in
the game.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, we got the young fellas in the building.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I know, y'all, I probably love the game of basketball
like myself growing up, y'all watching on YouTube whatnot. But
this pot is another way of kind of teaching the
history of the game. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We love getting basketball so much. We love the sport
so much, and it's so many young people that think,
like say it again, like Lebron was the first one
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to do what he does. Uh, Steph was the first
one to shoot pull up threes from deep. They were
not you know what I'm saying. They watched guys growing
up and they took what they did and they took
it to another level obviously. But yeah, it's another way
for us to teach history and show love to the game.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So another concept of the show is, you know, we're
gonna break as you guys, make sure that you subscribe, rate,
and review.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Listen on iHeart you know this is literally our first
pod by the way.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yes, you guys are apart you witnessing history history. We're
going to be discussing errors throughout our podcast as far
as the nineteen sixties, the nineteen seventies, the nineteen eighties, nineties,
two thousands, twenty tens, twenty twenties, where we're at now,
and we're going to talk about those players that revolutionize
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the game, that the ones before, you know what I mean,
like the familiar, the mak Mu abdu Raouf's, you know
what I mean, The Dale Ellis's, you know what I mean,
Like Del Curry's, Dale Curry's make some noise for Dale Curry.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
We don't, we don't.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
We don't get the we don't get the Curry Brothers
without Dale Curry. So you you definitely got to shout
him out, Yes, sir, Yeah, absolutely, So you're you're ready
to kick this off.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, let's get into it. Let's get int'. Let's latest.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All right, So we're posing a debate today for the
greatest shooters during the two thousands era, and for example,
Ray Allen and Reggie Miller. You guys, familiar with, those
two could potentially basically be listed as the greatest shooters
of that era.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Do you agree? Oh that's yeah. The number the numbers
speak for itself.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
They obviously were before Steph Passman the all time once
they were wanted to on the list. And besides, this
is an analytics pot by any means. We're not breaking
down the numbers, p R, percentages, none of that. But
those two guys, really the way they shot the ball,
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doing it from all different levels, off the catch, off
the move, off the dribble when they walked to the gym,
you gotta garden.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Also, less shot attempts, you know what I mean, Like
I think if they got the high volume, you know
what I mean respect to the game changing where the
coaches allow players to shoot a little bit more now,
but imagine a Reggie Miller being able to shoot ten
threes a game or you know.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Whoever it is, you know what I mean, Craig Hodges.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, early two thousands, if you if you shot six
seven threes a night, it was like, oh that's crazy. Yeah,
But now that's that's probably the average for a good shooter.
And the great shooters are getting up twelve to fifteen
to night because because we know that's that's one of
the best shots of the game outside of a layup,
a three pointers, the best shot in the game. It's
been revolutionized, and back.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Then that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So for these guys to be great shooters and do
what they do was really a standout.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
It was more specialist back in that day as well. Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
All right, So I wanted to talk about a guy
named Paedri Stayakovic.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Paysia.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, up the street, right up right, right right up
the street. Paedia, one of the you know at sixteen, yeah, sixteen,
could put it on the ground a headache.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
You know. He played for the MAVs as well.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Gotti Marine, but in the two thousands of the Sacramento
Kings spreading the floor. Tell me what you uh you
know took from Pasia during that time just watching as
a as a as a young team.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, Paedia was a weapon because he was with height,
with that type of shooting touches is crazy in of itself.
Sixth like I said, six nine, probably sixteen, Yeah, with
the best shooter on the floor when they be walking
to the gym, he was.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
He was a weapon of himself.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And then on top of that, he went into the
three point contest and put on the show what two
three times? And I think that really stamped him as
one of the greatest shooters of that era.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Sure, all right, what about Gilbert Arenas.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Gil a real score? Yes, a score?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
First of for he's not he's a I mean underrated
shooter in the grand scheme because he was, but he's
probably one of the first to extend the range. He
probably laid that because he wasn't a total line three
point type of guy. Yep, he was going to give buckets.
Not looking the pass by any means. But he if
he had to take two three steps by on the
line to get up, get up some shots, he was
doing it. He was knocking it down at a high rate.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Still the only player to score sixty on the Lakers buckets.
All right and stables, Steve Nash. Nash, make some noise
for Steve Nash.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Steve Nash is the guy we watched probably the most
in our household growing up. He's a guy who you
talk about shooting from all levels, floaters, the one that
get running the shots, yep. Pulling back to the mid range. Obviously,
he had the three ball off the drip off to catch,
and he was probably the first, well I don't know
about the first, but he was.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
He's a fifty to forty ninety guy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So the fifty forty ninety, fifty from the field, forty
from three to ninety from free throw. And if you're
in that club, you automatically go into the upper echelon
of great shooters. Yes, and you're doing it at all levels.
I think, what's that? Who's in that group? Steve Stieve,
Steph Steph kd yep. I want to say Kyrie, Yeah,
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Larry Bird.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's it's it's a very small company. It's not big.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's hard to get in there. I was close a
couple of times, but I think the free throws got
me a.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Year or two. What about Alan Houston?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Alan, tell me about Allan Houston. Alan Houston. His nickname
is H two Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Think about that. H two oh is what? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Water that means it's just straight cash.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Soon as they leave his hand. Yeah, they had the
guard and jumping.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yes, absolutely, I think Allan Houston could go get twenty
right now.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Oh yeah, he still look good. Yeah, you seen me.
I think he's working for the next right now. Yeah,
but yeah, he was a he was a bucket.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
He was.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
He was one of those guys like back then they
ran a lot of floppy actions where you could pin down, run,
come off either side, and they were shooting a lot
of mid range jump shots.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
But he did at a high level. He did a
high level when we talk about shooters.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
For me, shooting is my criteria to be a great shooter,
not just three point shooting.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
You got to be able to do it from everywhere.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And I'm cool with the MIDI just as much as anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So you mentioned criteria, right, and for criteria just because
you're in a three point contest or you made a
few shots or you know anything, there's a level to
the three point shooting, elite three point shooting at least,
you know what I mean. And like as we were
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kind of carving this lists out and you know, people
were like, oh, you got to throw this person on,
You gotta throw this person on. I mean like somebody
threw the head in for Jason Kapono.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right, yeah, Jason, Yeah, talking about like it's levels as
far as when you walk in the gym, the great shooter.
They don't want to let you get a shot off,
so you gotta find ways to get shots well. That
that's coming off screens, doing it yourself, off the dribble,
taking steps back, shooting from deep. But then you have
the obviously the great knockdown shooters who if you leave
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them wide opening, they got a corner tray. It it cash,
it's automatic, which great shooters, but it's a different category
as far as when you got to do it every
night and you're a high level score along with the
shooting ability.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We talked about Coupono.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
He's a guy who was one of those stand still,
you leave me open a cast, So you don't want
to leave me open, but if you guard me, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna shoot eight nine threes and
get him up. But he's another guy who was an
All Star Weekend celebrity, Ycau. He came in into the
three point contest to put on the show.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I mean we mentioned, you know, as we were getting
ready for this talk about how you can make basically
make your career at All Star Weekend having a great performance.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, that's All Star Weekends is a lot of times
the first time people see you. So some of these
guys who are great shooters, great dunkers, whatever the case.
They come in the building and they're not really known
throughout the throughout the league, but they coming into the
All Star weekend, they go on that stage, but the
only one shooting the three point shots and and they
put on and and they and they win it. That
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can propel their career to different heights, give them that
confidence to go back to their team and shoot the
heck out of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yeah, all right, So the next person, Chauncey.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Billups, Chauncey, Chauncey big shot, big shot, mister big shot
for real, talk to him.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
All right, So Chauncey Billups. You know a lot of
people like to you know, I don't I don't know
if he gets enough credit as a shooter. Sometimes he
makes He's actually a toll on the line guy. Yeah,
facts and that and and for tolling a line is like,
you know, it's still a three pointer, but it's probably
like the most like.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's the most comfortable. It's most comfortable.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, it's like a casual jump shot kind of or
so if you're giving it to me, I'm gonna take it,
and I'm an knock it.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Down.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He was another guy who could shoot the ball off
the dribble, off the catch. Obvious they give you the
late has he in the clutch?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah? So yeah, you know it's an underrated shooter when
you talk, when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So you mentioned like on the catch, off the dribble,
right in those particular situations, Right, how would you describe yourself?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
What is your strength?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Either my strength is off the catch. I feel like
I'm a guy who's if you one one or if
you leave me open this cash.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I prot myself on knocking down the open ones. That's
but also I can put it on the floor. I'm
like I said, I don't. I don't discriminate with the
MIDI So to me, that's why it's so poor for
me to talk about shooters. You gotta be able to
do it from like I keep saying, every single level.
You can't just be a three point shooter and I
have a little bit of mid range in your game.
You gotta make free throws at a high level.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And that's why I love Steve Nash so much, because, yeah,
he any shot you give him its, he's making it
at a.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
High rate another guy, Jason Terry j T.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, Jason, this is one of the guys who
early in my career when I went to Dallas, this
is who they compare me to as a shooter. WHI
was crazy because he I think he's sitting in the
league now. He played for Rick Carlott for a long
time in Dallas, won the championship with those guys, and
he was a six man in but he was a
versatile scorer.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
He shot the ball coming off handoffs, off pinned down.
She could do it off the dribble. And an undersized guy,
so sometimes it's hard to get your shot off.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Against long defenders in the league. But he was.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He was an underrated scorer and shooter who did it
everywhere on the floor and in big moments in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Absolutely, I mean you should see him in Atlanta, Atlanta.
He was going to the rack at things that that's
kind of underrated.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's a good name, j T. Yeah. What about what.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
About the Lakers coach JJ Reddick JJ my fellow Douchie,
my fellow dukie. Yeah, JJ, he was a he's kind
of a more of a I want to say, one
trick pony but he was more of a simple type shooter. Yeah,
coming off screens both ways, pinned downs. I think in
the league he kind of developed his his game a
little bit more as far as being able to put
the ball on the floor and shoot threes that way.
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But yeah, he mastered the art of the footwork. So
like he did one or two things extremely well every
night in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Okay, I wanted to get the audience participation.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
That we live. So let's I want to hear from
y'all answer some questions.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So if you have a question, just make a little
foul line right here.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh he's coming up. Kyle Korver. Kyle Korver one of
the greatest to ever do it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
In that JJ Reddick realm to me right, but a
little taller so like he could. That's one of those
guys that got earlier in my career who was tough
because you could be all in his jersey.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
He was still gonna raise up and shoot over you.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Being six seven six eight, could shoot on the move
and he shot like. He's one of those guys who
he didn't have a hiss balance him and Ja they
are something they didn't have to have their full balance
when they when they went up rose up to shoot
to be able to knock it down, they will be
leaning falling out of bounce. Just the level of difficulty
in some of those shots is not respected enough.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So you mentioned about defending right, when defending a shooter
or just being on being defended, what's the most difficult
as a shooter to get open?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think for me when like for me, he usually
want to take away to the line of sight to
the back, So they put a lot of long, rangy
defenders on shooters. So I mean when you're coming like saying,
we come to gym known to the shooter, you gotta
find different ways to get it off every night. Your
your your shot distribution might be different, especially in my
case when you're not a the main guy on the
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team or as far as a target like that you
got to you gotta be ready at all times. And
then when you have guys like the Steve nashas who
and whoever, the Jason terryor who are vocal points in
their offense, they know the shots that they're gonna get
and teammates are trying to get them open on the
nightly basis.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
So it's different levels.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Of who like we say, and the height, the height
aspect of it is not is very important as well,
because a lot of times you don't have to be over.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You could just raise up and shoot over guys.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, we got we got another person
up there.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
What you got? How you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
What do you think about Michael Rad? Give me some
Michael Rad, the leftist, the lefty Michael Rad. I don't
think Michael Rad get talked about enough. He does not. Nah.
I think he had a shooter shorter career. WHI is that?
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well, Chris Middleton, you know, we're in number twenty two,
kind of overshadow because he ended up having some early success,
but Michael Rad dealt with like a lot of injuries.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
He never had the playoff success.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I think he wasn't on a big stage a lot
to be talked about enough, But he was really one
of the greatest shoots I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean he got a fifty burger, you know
what I'm saying with Milwaukee. But when when you really
think about Michael Red, he could get going at any time,
and if you lose sight of him, like it's gonna
be a long night.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Now, he did it in Big games, did in the
All Star I mean the three point.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Contest and then on the orthodox type of shot, So
like you look at him, you know what his shot
looks like, little sling lefty over the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Cash, all right, we got the next person.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Congrats on the podcast guys, thank you. This is less
specific on a certain player, but across all these different
guys that you're mentioning, what are the top three traits?
Would you say that they have to become the greatest
of their era.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
That's a good question to me.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think that's why these debates and these topics of
SOD are so good because it's subjective really when you
think about it, everybody has their own different criteria to
what they feel isn't great, Like for me, accoladeslay play apart, statistics,
play apart skill, the different skill sets you have play apart,
doing it on different on the big stage, how much
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you won, It's all subjected to the different type of person,
what they like flair, you know what me saying. Some
people like to see a certain esthetic shooting the ball
or drip on or whatever it is. So I think
every individual person has their own criteria for what they
feel is the greatest of individual errors.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
What well, one thing that I mean early on, especially
when your brother passed, you know, Reggie and Ray, there
was a lot of like conversation about, oh, he takes
more threes, so that's why he caught up faster, And
that was a huge you know, I'm a huge I
love the nineties.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Make some noise if you love the nineties.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right now, we debate all the time about just how
the game looks. It's kind of like, you know, it's
not rough to watch, but it's just a different pace.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, it's a lot of things going on.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I feel like shooters weren't as like they were used
sparingly as much as now, the freedom that you guys
have now to shoot.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
They are more specialists.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Back in the day, everybody it was a lot of specialists. Yeah,
everybody had different skill sets, more specialists. Now then we're
talking about the three point shot and shooting. There's so
many three pointers now. It seems like a lot of teams,
a lot of players are trying to fit the mold
of play a certain type of style.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So back then, in these different eras of nineties to
two thousands, I feel like there were more different types
of play styles because everybody wasn't trying to get up
forty forty five fifty threes a night.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
For Reggie to.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hold that record for so long, right and his you know,
I used to think he shot a lot more than
how you know, when you really think about it, he
didn't shoot that many threes. He was shooting a lot
of middies. He was getting to the right, he had
complete game. But yeah, a shooter now, a shooter you
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strictly think three point shooting. Getting in two thousands and nineties,
whatever the shooting you were, you were spread.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You were stretching out to eighteen feet twenty feet coming
off pin down, shooting a lot of middies, which which
really is crazy because they actually this spread the floor
back then because a lot of it was always a
lot of bigs and people in the paint.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So if you could shoot a eighteen twenty foot that
was big for your team.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Absolutely, you got a question, Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Uh, what would you think about Lebron James as a shooter,
like everything combined with Lebron?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
It's it's very debatable, right, I think most people think
consider him the gold in the individual standpoint right when
you think about it, and then you have people that
think Michael Jordan's the gold Some people think that Kareem
I've ujah Bars the goat, you know what I mean.
You got people that think Bill Russell's the goat. It's
very subjective, like you mentioned before, So if you think
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Lebron's the goat, I wouldn't be mad at you, you
know what I mean, because that's what you've seen, and
I think at this point that's what we you know,
that was like the main mission of this pod is
more so to kind of not push back on certain
situations of like saying, you know, you weren't alive during
that time, So I can't be mad at you for
thinking that a certain player is the goat in that way,
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you know what I mean. So it's super subjective, but
Lebron is, how I normally put it, is one of
the goats. To sit at the table, you know what
I mean, Like even to be in the conversation, it's
very tough to even get a seat, you know what
I mean. Like as we're talking about shooters, it's not
many people. Just because you can make threes don't mean
that you get a seat at the table, you know
what I mean, like it's it's a it's a whole
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you know, nuance in that conversation of even belonging.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So yeah, that's the that's the point of why we
created this pot said, it's what you like. It's different
eras it's split them up. You talk about Lebron and
what he's done, he's I mean, n disputedly. We don't
have to argue the gold of the twenty tens or whatever,
this era of this era right here. And also it
wouldn't be a Lebron if it wasn't a Jordan who
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was in the nineties in his era.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
So that's why it's so cool. All right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So we mentioned all these players, right, and it's time
to rank these players.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
But before we do that, I.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Think it's time to bring out our guests.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So we mentioned all these players, right, and it's time
to rank these players. But before we do that, I
think it's time to bring out our guests. Make some
noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Sit down. He missed. He missed media availability for this,
so we appreciate it. They appreciate it. What's happening what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes, obviously we're talking we're talking two thousand shooters in
here today, not twenty ten ninety two thousands.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
So this is basically from oh nine to what's the
Lee Way? And they got drafted.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, you're not in this category. You had a half
a year in the two thousands, right, So so what
we're talking about so like the point of the spots
to pay homage, to debait, have some fun, but also
give the flowers to the different eras the older players.
Let me be answer this question before, but who like
from this era? Some players we watched model you yourself
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after to be obviously one of the greatest shooters ever.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So it was always uh, I mean Reggie and Steve Nash.
Those are my two guys. We used to my, Uh,
I don't know what year my mama down here, mama, Uh,
what year did I play in that little game at
the uh the bow Jangles Coliseum and Charlotte remember that
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we were the baggy Jerseys. No, no, no, it's I
was a kid like like seven eight somewhere in there,
and I had on like the double XL Reggie Miller jersey. Uh.
But those two guys were like the the model of
putting more for them together to be exactly how I
want to play on the or shoot on the court.
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Because Steve was a little bit more off the dribble,
a little creative one foot two foot fade lean side.
He anyway, as a shorter guy, you got to figure
out different ways to get your release off. And then
Reggie was just all off ball for me, like just
watching him the whole possession, how he created space, got
your shoulder into you, changing direction, change the speed. It
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was a master class every night. So those two are
my absolute favorite to watch. Kyle Korver, yep ye, we
talked about him. He was a guy playing against him.
You notice it only needs like literally two seconds, no
matter how far fast he's moving. As soon as he
catches he could release it, let it go. We had
specific Kyle Korver rules on how to guard him because
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he was if he was coming out of that right corner.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You had to send you had to send him. You
wanted him to go right left, right, yes, yes, so
you had to send him to the left side of
the wing because it was he was he went down
as comfortable going that way.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
If he was coming the other way, they run a
whole playbook just off of getting him. Uh sets coming
to us, right, Ben Gordon.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
That's a that's what That's a sneaky one as hey
I would have brought up, but I was watching Ben
Gordon at Yukon too. But when you really think about
Ben Gordon, he can get hot at any time. He
can shoot it from anywhere, right, And I think that's
around two thousand and five Gilbert's and those guys were
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kind of like really trying it, like just trying to
get they shot off. Like you said, mentioned hundersized guards.
Gil was a little bigger, but just letting it fly.
I think Ben Gordon, you know, I mean he has
check the box score.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, we're talking about types of shooters. He's a different
category shooter as far you got set shooters, guys who
jump a little bit. He was literally bouncing off that shot. Yes,
absolutely get hurt sometimes.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Did y'all talk about the difference between or is there
a differen between scores and shooters?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes, brief yes, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Briefly, I didn't know what y'all definition was. Because as
you bring up different names, it's like a little bit
of a gray area with some of them.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, we kind of brought that when we brought up
Gilbert Arenas. Yes, that was the name of Yes, Okay,
just a shooter, and I was talking about him. It's
probably one of the first guys to really extend the range. Yeah,
really take He was a scorer, so he was trying
to get a shot up by any means. So he
was taking two three steps back shooting up six seven
attempts from what twenty five thirty feet?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
In the tier of criteria, where do you find the
qualification to be and considered an elite shooter? You guys
played against all types of shooters in your career, but
like as far as respect level, not saying and that's
not a knock to anybody, but there's elite shooters because
like somebody can have a better three point percentage year
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than you. They're getting it up, they're making shots cool,
but nobody's going to say, yo, they're the best. It's
just a level to it, you know what I mean.
So what's the criteria to become elite? What is the
qualifications that you look at and you say, he could
sit at the table with us.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
It kind of goes hand in hand with what I
was talking about. With Kyle Korver. When you have a
scouting report and you're on the list as not just
a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we
guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime
you're wide open, like you might as well just count
that and get on back on defense. So you approach
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it a certain way, Like there's certain coverages if you're
at like we call it a top lot where the
defense is literally not worried about anything that's going on
behind you. You just don't let that person come off
a screen or come off clean on the perimeter looking
for a shot. You just literally your goal is they
got to run through your chest if they want any
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type of space. Like those type of guys when you
make that list, it's like somebody that's guarded that way.
Percentages can fluctuate year to year the beginning of the year,
like people get hot streaks and all that, but there's
a very short list of guys that you walked into
a sky reporter or coaches me and they're like, hey,
we got we gotta approach it different.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
A lot of coaches scout reports, you label them. You
have hot players, cold players, still different, right fire Yeah,
no matter what you could. It could be somebody who
had shooting twenty percent on the month. They still gonna
be on that that scout report as a hot player
because that they had the REP. Or somebody who's having
a hot week, made four threes or whatever last game.
But you know you're still gonna leave them with sag
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off of them, not guard them, whatever the case, because
it's it's the REP. And that's how you know what
level of category a shooter you're in. Also, it's nothing
better than walking in the game. I ain't made a
shot all game. I'll go down to the corner front
of the other the bitch and like shooter, shooter. All
you hear to all the coaches, all the players, shooters
stay home, stay home, don't leave them. It's nothing better.
It's no better feeling than that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, that's like the ultimate nod in respect for real.
When you're thinking about I'm just kind of like now
I'm really thinking about as far as the criteria of
and we mentioned about three point contents, right, you've you've
been in the a three point contest. What's the most
difficult thing as like to.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Even be invited?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You have to make a lot of you know, you
have to be considered a specialist in that situation. What
is the toughest thing from game to being center like
center of attention because you're by yourself out there. The
difference between that.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The experience is about to happen in like a couple hours.
And I was talking to Buddy about it, because he's
done it, I think four times or so he's won
and once and like the practice, it's all about timing yourself,
like knowing where you're getting, like getting into an actual rhythm,
being able to take in the clock, make some misses.
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The emotional roller coaster of it, how you start like
clearing your mind all that in the game you're having
to worry about a bunch of other stuff, and then
the shots the last thing, and you kind of go
in the autopilot after that, like everything everything else is
hard about getting open or remembering the play or no
where your defender is, and then once you catch, it's
just that's just autopilot. And three point contests, it's exact opposite.
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You're micro managing everything like where's my foot at? Oh,
where the ball at?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
How much time I got left?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh I just missed two in a row, I need
this one, that type of thing, and it happens so
fast your mind starts spinning.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So on top of that, you're the only one out
there shooting, like I've never been more nervous.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
That first ratd my first I feel good.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'm not nervous as soon as that spotlight come on
me by myself in the arena, the whole arena watching
me by myself. I'm not out there with none other
players like usual and a rhythm, it's me so once
you usually once you get there that first right, you
feel your legs, you get your rhythm going, you feel
a lot better, and it's it's different shooters from as
far as game like we were talking about that. We
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brought up Jason Capono, right, oh yeah, so you got
the the elite knockdown shooter as far as he was
really good in three point contests, then had the craziest.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
NBA Harris type.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Talking about though, that's a different level of shooter too,
as far as really good just fundamentally sound spot up
shooters and then game shooters who don't do it, they
don't do it as well off the move or whatever,
off the dribble, so that's two different cas.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's like when you if you're like we talk about Clay,
like I would never teach anybody to shoot like me
or so because we don't have textbook form but feel
and hand out coordination, spatial awareness, like we're e lite
at that. But it's not like it's not pretty, it's
not ideal. It's not ideal at all, like Clay is.
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If I from scratch, if I'm like, this is how
you're supposed shoot the basketball. That's how you're supposed to
shoot the basketball, like extension, high release, like it's perfect
and he can do it all different type of ways.
But yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
So for the young players in the audience right, if
they were to they wanted to be a three point specialist,
what advice could you give them as far as, like
you said, you guys don't want to touch your shot.
Most coaches kind of the rupt shooting forms and things
like that. I shot with the chicken wing for a
long time before I kind of got it in a
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little bit closer, and I worked with a couple of coaches,
But what advice would you give as far as improving
shot percentage? And then just like the mental approach. You
know what I mean as far as that.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
The mental approach is tough because that is to me,
that's something you can develop, you can get better at,
but it's not quantifiable. It's not like I can tell
you to have more confidence. Oh what does that mean?
Like it God, almost have to trick yourself into thinking,
like being stubborn, like I don't know, I missed ten
in the row. Okay, that doesn't matter. This next one's
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going in. That's just trained over time and time and
reps and reps, being able to deal with failure like
all that, Like the simple mental stuff. From a physical standpoint,
I wouldn't You might change somebody's if I watched somebody's shoot,
I might change a specific part of you know, maybe
wear their hands on the ball or like you said,
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your elbow play. But I wouldn't do too much reconstruction
on anybody. I would just try to make it as
repeatable as possible, so that whether you're shooting a ten
foot shot or a twenty five foot shot, that's almost
it's very the same kind of motion and the same
type of approach. ARC probably is the one thing that
you can change the most to give yourself it's just physics.
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It's giving yourself a better chance. You're increasing the size
of the of the rim with more arc you have,
so that the ball has more chance to get in.
If it's flat, it only has a specific amount of
room to get in the basket. Like you could you
could change that a little bit, Like arc is extremely important.
We can nerd out about this all day long. It's
like the spin on the ball, like all that type
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of stuff. So yeah, you could try to keep it
as simple as possible, but the mental is hard to
quantify because the either you have it or you don't.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
We have a segment born in the wrong era.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Every episode talk about these players and if they're born
where they born in the wrong era except per se
why you think about a player from the two thousands
he might have I'm gonna answer my own question that
I'm that I'm posing about, y'all. I'm going with Ray
Allen because Ray Allen, if he shot it was he
he was in today's era. Shooting ten, yeah, prime shooting ten, twelve,
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fifteen three is a game everything would grow up.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
He would be on.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
He would be up there with you as far as
three point mats, and he was like when he played,
he was a he was a legit scorer as well.
He was shooting a lot of mid ranges, just not
as many threes because it was it was kind of
taboo back then. But I would love to see a
guy like reality in today's era. Shooting twelve on the
average three is a game.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I'm gonna go Evince BC. I'm gonna go with Vince
Carter for the exact same reasons, because you take his
athleticism yep, and then you free him up to say, hey,
shooting twelve three's a game is cool?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah, yeah, which you got. He was underrated shooter to
me later he became a.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Three point specialist late in his Career's.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, he added, he was he could shoot it good
enough early, but he added, literally he was a you
gotta run him off the line.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Imagine him and his from what you gonna give up
or shoot twelve threes? That's for me.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm gonna say, Gilbert Arenas, I just think that gil Yeah,
he shot a lot of shots. But if it was
technically like, all right, this is the style of play
that we're playing, and it's a little bit looser and
we're about to just shoot the deep ball, like you
know what I mean, Like overall, like I don't know,
I don't know how and through basically through those three
healthy seasons that he had, right and it's just like
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I don't know, the points per game would be so
much higher, you know, I mean, it'd be harder to
defend because he's I mean, you got a chance to
play against him like your rookie year and maybe the
year after that.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
But like he's a.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Big guard, you know what I mean, So like people
forget how big he is the shoulders, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh, I would want to see Gil rained in a
little bit Like in the two thousands, they didn't care
about percentages.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
It's true shooting.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
In fact, they didn't care about it was like how
many points did you call the night straight box score?
If you If they put a little pressure on him
to be a little bit more efficient, he probably would
have been.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Thought the game different. It would have been way better.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I agree with that. The discipline of like figuring out
at night tonight, it would have just locked them in
a little bit more and gave him a little bit
more to kind of figure out. I like that. I
like the way you put that. It's like some people
think the opposite.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
We're trying not to talk a lot of analytics in.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
This spot, like it has to come in a little bit.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I'm gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
So we have another topic, archetype comparisons from the era. Basically,
you think about the player in the two thousands and
comparing them to the current era. You got one choice,
I got I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Go, Uh, what do we talk about Dirk as a shooter? Yeah,
so I'm going Dirk. I'm putting off there with Winby OKP,
the tall you can be all in a jersey. They
don't see you as a contest good shooter. They obviously
they use two don't shoot as probably as good as Dirk.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yep, consistently, but they jump shooters first.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And like I said, it don't matter what you do defensively,
it's make or miss when it comes to those two.
And also today they're kind of developed more modernized as
far as shooting more threes. Dirt was a mid range
elbow guy, eighteen foot. He shot threes, but not a lot,
probably three to four game. And they're modernized shooting more
threes and less midties because that's not what we want today.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I'm tripping. What's uh my guy from Portland, Brendan Roy,
Brandon Roy and Roy for Brandon Roy. I apologize Brandon.
There's no way I should have blanked right now. It's
been a long All Star weekend. I apologize. But Brandon
Roy with like Jalen Brown type okay, where it's like
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a big wing that has all three level You can
put it on the floor, iso can run a set
to come off and knock down a shot when the
game slows down. That's kind of when they thrive because
they can take advantage of mismatches on the post or
play it a little bit of the perimeter against Biggs,
so a little bit of a reach because they move different,
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but it's the same kind of position, the same way
to get their buckets.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, they got a name for us.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
You got something. You had your handle with the conviction.
So I'm gonna get with your life.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
How would you guys go past tall defenders? Sit again?
How would you go past tall defenders? We've been doing
it our whole life.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Get used to it.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
And I don't want to give away the secrets because
they might be n playing. You got to be able
to uh, It's all about just getting them off balance
just a little bit and then be able to take
advantage of that really quickly to not let them reset.
I struggle with it early, especially in college, because with
length and reach, they could play like a They could
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play a step lower than they usually do and affect
a shot. So you kind of have to engage in
with the dribble to bring them in a little bit.
And as soon as you get them off balance, then
you're able to either get to a step back because
you got them, you got leverage. You can not push off,
but you can use your body or you're getting around
them getting to the basket. And then you got to
work on all your finishes that keep it away from
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a late shot block. So you just got to be
able to be comfortable in that tight space because if
you panic, then they got you.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
You'd be at yes size and athleticism with skill, craftiness
and reps. Really that's what that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, you got an archetype, my archetype man. I was
thinking about Rashard Lewis and dang like a more of
a like a big I didn't want to say KD
you know what I mean, But I was thinking I
might do that from like, uh yeah, yeah, that was
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Rishard Lewis, and like more so I'm just trying to
think of like because everybody they chucking now, you know
what I mean, like it's one it's one of them leagues,
Like I don't think it's And that's that's a whole
other conversation of like now we're at the point of
there's no bad shot, and that's a little.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Bit of frustrating.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Like mikel Bridges, Michael.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Bridges, Yeah, I mean I like that. I mean he's
kind of tall.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Like from that point, what's the guy? What's the homide
from the Rockets? Smith? Like that I gotta lock in bad.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, I like the Lewis j Barie Smith. That's a
good Yeah, big tall, three four pros. Yeah, we see him.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
He can shoot the ball.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
So we got one more question and then we'll kind
of go into like our rankings.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I was gonna ask you, well, what do you think
about Jimmy on the team?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It's a great question. Jimmy's been great, Like we got
good energy. It's a different look for us. We're trying
to build the chemistry on the flop mid season trades
are hard, right because our team is the same but
drastically different from one day to the next, and you're
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you have no time to really practice, you have a
limited time to watch film and try to get a
game plan. But Jimmy's such a high IQ basketball player
that the fit makes sense right now because you can
kind of just roll the ball out and like, hey,
just make good basketball players and something good will happen.
So he's not even in shape yet, so I can't
wait for him to get back into actual like mid
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season break exactly four games and then go chill for
a week come back. But we're we're excited about this
little thirty game sprint we got and see what we
can get.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
We got time for one more, one more, and we're
gonna get to it. How about stefarm Malberry, see one
of your toughest opponents.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I ain't that old, never played against him, but nah,
but the idea he he's in a score round. To me,
he is in the score room. And I watched the
it was a two thousand and one All Star game.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah he was the net.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah he has some big shots down the stret That's
the guy that you just fear on the court. Because
you one, he has no conscience at all. He got
off the balance, athleticism, strength, he can get to the
I mean, I don't know a mid range was all right,
but yeah, all three, all three levels.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
I mean that's a whole other conversation about that long too.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Right over.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
They loved it.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
They loved it, Kobe and those guys.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
So yeah, like tough shots.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
So they stepped in. They just felt more comfortable. They
were had no problem where they feed were. Now it's
like we're looking down. We gotta get back behind the lines.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Before it was like coaches, yell, let you know if
you take that shot.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Oh yeah, that's a bad shot.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Bad I rememberers and ers on end. The SVA used
to get caught all the time, like just foot.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
On the line. To toos, long toos.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
That's it's gonna get real right here. I'm gonna give
you my top Can I give you my just give
you my top tier? Yeah, in from order for five
to onep tier number five. I got Kyle Korver, right,
tough and stuff. Come on, before I got dirt, okay,
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one of the former teammate of mine.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Love dirt. One of the best shootings ever. Do it
three Reggie okay. Two who had two? Ray Allen okay.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Two and one is Steve Nash because he's like we
talked about the fifty forty ninety club. He's in that
maybe twice and he done from all levels. So like
three catch and shoot threes off the dribble threes midis
he had the one leg of runners in the paint
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jump shots off the glass. It's not a shot he
can't make at a high level.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
My talking about my idol, I don't this wild on
My only knock is volume.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
He was fifty forty ninety and a very efficient on
twelve attempts. Okay, okay, So my thing about volume is
a big deal. I wouldn't have him in that top
tier because of that. Like I almost put kd like
in there, Yeah, in that category because of the same
thing you just said. But volume two.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yeah, but this is two. He ain't have volumes more,
but he was.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
He was unique. He was uniquely low volume though compared
to everybody in that Yeah.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
Yeah, so that's my only not that's fair, but yeah,
I got Pagia at five, nothing like that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
I got.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Kyle Korver at four. I got Alan Houston at three,
Alan Houston, I got Reggie Miller at two. I can't
go wrong and I got reality that one.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
You can't go wrong there. High school stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
High school stuff was past first.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
You shoot low volume, Steve Nash.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
And a little inefficient.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Hey, you do your top five.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
I'm sorry the era parts killing because I'm mad at
people that ain't eligible to two thousand. It ain't eligible, Leeway,
but Ray Reggie, what Kyle's eligible on this? Yes, Ray
Reggie Kyle Pajia page page page of five, dirt.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
Four Pasia is a lead. Okay, I'm mad im I
left them off my list, but I still like my list.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yes, I love it. Okay, So we got a question.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Heard a great phrase recently. I'd love for you to
talk about it. Can you talk about selective amnesia and
why it's important to just like forget what's going on
and put it in the past and stay present. Control
what you can control. There's a concept in we we
love playing golf. There's a concept in golf where if
you're in order to be really good at golf, you
have to be really dumb or really smart. If you're
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anywhere in between, then you're probably not gonna be a
good golfer because the selective amnesia part is like the
intentionality of like the inner conversation in your head is
all right, I acknowledge, Oh I miss five in a row.
Now what are you gonna do about it? Those you
haven't these actual conversations in your head. It doesn't happen
on like on autopilot. It doesn't happen naturally. You have
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to force yourself into that. And it's over and over
again possession quarter game season, and you can choose whether
to block out the negative or like in envision or
dream like the positive about what can happen. So it
can go either way depending on the move for me.
But it's the selective part is just intentional, like you
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have to be able to be present in your mind
and have that inner dialogue be h be positively directing
you to you know, move into the next shot and
keep your confidence.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
So we have we've gave our five and as for
the audience to see who had the best five and
tally this win and then we'll carry it over to
the next episode where we're going. You guys can keep
track and see who's who's winning between myself and Seth.
So uh for steps five, make some noise if you
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feel that he should win the debate today.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Steve Nash at the top, Steve Nash, Ray, Allen, Reggie Dirk.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
For mine, we had Paysia, Alan Houston, Reggie Miller. We
have Ray, Allen, Kyle Korver.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
So what about my team?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
They like it?
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Ain't rocking with it? All right? We'll try, right, Do
you remember yours?
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Reggie Ray Just for the record, is Reggie Ray Corver dirtag.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Okay, okay, I want to say you one sef, I
agree you got you gotta convince me, all right.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Chris Mullen, that's a different era. Yeah, he'd being any
top five list in the nineties for sure.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
So that's where you stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
And the next time we talk about the nineties, that's
when we were chiming about Chris Muller. We have to
end it now, but we want to shout out unanimous.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
iHeart uh.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
If you guys have not followed, subscribed, left the comment,
please do uh stay tuned for the next episode, which
we'll probably be talking about a nineties era. Yes, also
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Speaker 2 (52:59):
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I don't know what I'm talking about, or if I do,
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Speaker 2 (53:10):
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Speaker 4 (53:17):
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Speaker 1 (53:22):
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Speaker 4 (53:29):
That's it said. Appreciate y'all, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Go.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
This has been a Unanimous Media original Goth was produced
by iHeart Podcasts and Unanimous Media. It was hosted by Me,
Trevon Edwards, and Steph Curry. Executive produced by Stephen Curry
and Eric Paton. Co executive producer.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Klenna Maria Kutty.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
The executive producers at iHeart podcast are Sean Titone and
Jason English. This series was produced by Derek Jennings and
Peter Cower. Co producer Kurt Redman. Original music by Jesse
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