May 23, 2024 • 53 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *The Thong* from Season 2 with special appearance from Richard Lewis.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can watch the original episode we'll be discussing in
every other episode of HBO's Curby Your Enthusiasm, including the
new and final season, on Max.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
The video version of the History of Curby Enthusiasm podcast
on Max and YouTube as well. Links available in the
episode description. Okay, here we are. We're on season two,
episode five, the Thong, and I'm STUSI esman.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Who are you. I'm Jeff Garland, one of America's top teens.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Absolutely, and we have a special guest with us today, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, we do, is mister Richard Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Richard Lewis.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I love you, Richard.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I love you guys too. I love your show.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
All right, now we're going to discuss the episode. Let
me just say right up front, this episode was directed
by none other than Jeff Garland.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes, how did that come about?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, it came about from me nudging Larry David over
and over and he was so reluctant, reluctant, reluctant, reluctant.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And and what what had you directed up until this point?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Nothing, absolutely directed stage stuff but nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I had yes. In terms of
a camera capturing something. This is the first time and
it meant the world to me because by him allowing
me to direct, I was able to showcase that to
be able to get money to shoot films. I shot
three films, all of which have great moments and a
lot of mediocrity.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And Joe, didn't it help you shoe some? Didn't you
shot a lot of specials and you help a lot
of community. Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I shot Dennis Leary's and shoot it. I I co
directed it with Ted DEMI didn't.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
That help you a little bit? I mean you felt
so well?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I watched Yes, Yes, Yes, and John Stewart before Curb
even started. I did John Stewart's on Levin with Beth McCarthy.
I like saying, because they did the cameras and I
did the performance.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Richard, have you ever directed?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Just craft Services?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
By the way, when you're there, Craft Service is so
much better.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well because I come in the morning before and go
ogle what you know green eminem rout.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And by the way, my favorite thing you've ever done
is the ball full of lozenges. That's the best one.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So we start the episode and Larry is in therapy.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Before we do can we just discuss the mental institution.
Back dropping me around Susan. What is that that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Does look like a but it's it's curtains because I
see seat cushions behind there's.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We didn't tell you where are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But behind me or soundboards it's.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The creed More podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
This is our bell being production.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now here's the interesting thing that we start out with
Larry and therapy period and Larry is not a therapy guy,
where all therapy people, the three of us are all
therapy people.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Lewis, I know you, you know, forever.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
A minute, We're just Sean Meg. When I was in
therapy for about forty years and I was in this
group therapy in New York when I started, and with
this guy who became like the shrinks of the comments,
which sort of bugged me a little bit, but I
got what it was. Just did this. He had an
office on the East Side. You sit there for an
(03:28):
hour and a half with six neurotic whining people and
then answer that hour and a half. First it took
an hour I was in Jersey. Then would I drive
to New York try to find his faith, go to
the shrink after the shrink with the seven whining people
go to a little place at signed something to eat.
Then we had to go to an after group, and
(03:48):
then wherever they lived Staton Island, fucking Brooklyn, walm you.
It was like an eight hour deal. It was unbearable.
So but I somehow told Larry, you know, he was
always calling me with shit. I said, you got to
come to this group. Came one night. We're sitting there
and he stands up there. This is after the shrink,
this is at someone's time. You like, I don't need this.
(04:11):
I don't need to hear this whining of a Ay
you bullshit. I'm out of here. And he started screaming
and running out of this woman's apartment and we changed
him down New York Avenue, rod First Average and he
hid in the phone bos like this and all of it.
In the ride, Jewish were going waitning' you wait, didn't
you waiting? And he was swimming look coming back. It
(04:31):
was why didn't I always said, Larry, why you didn't
put that in anything? Well, you know, whenever you tell Larry,
you know said, whenever you tell Larry, I had this
moment that seems so right for you, you'll immediately go no, no, no,
what do you know?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
What what I say to people who come up and
pitch me, you know, on the street or restaurant, I say,
I don't even give Larry David ideas. And I'm an
executive producer, right, your idea be so great? I said,
I've never heard a good one. And this is hundreds
upon hundreds.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Oh, the NonStop kind of stop.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, but guess what I say, I've never heard a
good one. He goes, this will be the one you use,
and guess what, worse than the last one.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But you know what, what's interesting to me about that
story is how dated it is because no more phone booths,
even Superman.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
That's true. That's just me.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
By the way, the only idea that we used up
until the time, David Feldman for the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Very funny.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I came up with the thing about the numbers on
the arm being the from a Holidays and it was
his lottery numbers.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And that's next next season. You'll be discussing that. That's
season three. So Larry's sitting there talking in therapy about
his gray sneakers.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know, nonsense, just nothing in the therapist.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, therapist says, let's get back to Cheryl, and Larry complains,
we don't do anything together. She plays tennis. I played golf,
and he's like, well, why don't you play tennis with it?
Because she beat me every time because of my neck.
She likes the outdoors. The therapist suggests, what about the beach,
So Larry decides he's going to go to the beach
with Cheryl and he hugs the therapist.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
They hug each other, well, it was.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
A pretty close It was a good hug. He rarely
touched his skin. But I have never heard my therapist
I hugged.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I once went to a therapist after two times she
was doing such great work. I hugged her.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
She pushed me off and goes, why would why would
you do that? And I said, I was just so emotional.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It was so she was right. I concur Have you
ever hugged your therapist, Richard?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I didn't more than that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Why, oh God enough, I don't want to hear it.
I have never hugged my therapist.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
A therapist many times gently on the forehead and said
thank you.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
No, you know, taking out in the balcony of the
theater bed.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I had a strict Freudian no hugs.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
No, on the couch, lying on the couch, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Baby, oh yeah, for ten years lying on the couch.
That's why I'm normal.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So Larry leaves the therapist and Rob Reiner is in
the way to that to me was always a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Who's in the waiting room?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, by the way, every time I've gone I rarely
go out and see people. There's always an exit.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Not always.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It depends on where you are to Summerset, not in
New York. They're not set up that way.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh really, Because I remember when we were doing this,
I questioned that, but then I also thought where what
are they going to do? Have this conversation in the hallway,
and there's a moment that's important in the scene besides
Rob explaining things. Imagine Rob Reiner. We're about to say
because Larry walks in the waiting room and Rob Render
is there, which could happen to anyone. You go in
that waiting room and it's Ben Vereen anyhow.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And there's always a relationship that there was, like the
person that was always after me on a Wednesday, let's say,
and you go.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Into a fantasy about this person. You know, who are
they what?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But my point was so he goes out in the
lobby he sees Rob Reiner. Imagine my delight in seeing
Rob Reiner working that episode, because who do you think
I turned to when I was stuck?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I said, what if this comes up as a director.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So he was mentoring me while I'm directing, and so
kind about it. When I made my first movie, the
very first scene I ever shot, Paul Mazerski is in
the scene. He plays this producer's master. And Paul Mazerski
was so helpful and he was literally in life one
of my mentors. I'm the biggest mentor.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And also, if I may add, played Norm I'm later.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Directed for many a great movie. Bob Carroll ten.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Nallis, Last Stop Greenwich Village done in Beverly Hills. It
was it last Stop Greenwich Fields, no next, up, next, whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So I wanted to say so when I was shooting
the very first scene, my first shot, and Paul goes,
can you give Jeff and I a minute here because
I'm shaking. It's overwhelming. First movie. He pulls me aside,
he goes, this happened to me when I filmed Bob
yer Old ten Nallis. He said, my first you know movie,
(09:04):
I'm very nervous. I think it was surtees. The DP said,
come with me, and he pulls them up into a
crane up above everybody, and he says, how you doing?
And Paul says good. Why'd you bring me up here? Oh?
You needed a break. He goes, look at all those people.
They want to help you. They don't want to judge you.
(09:26):
No one's judging you. Just go do your best. And
they went down and he was calm. And that's what
Paul did to me in my first movie. And I
want to give him credit. All right, let's continue. Sorry
about it, That's okay, we'll be right back. Stay tuned,
(09:51):
and we're back.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So he runs into Rob in the waiting room and
Rob is doing a charity benefit thing for Groats and.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Which, by the way, when Larry wrote it, he based
it on the Dick Groat the seconds later you know,
I know, but he really wrote it based on that name.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And he wants Larry, which is which is a disorder
of hyperactivity.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Like drinking eight cups of coffee right, which would be
especially for someone with add good luck world.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And he wants Larry to auctioned himself off to have
lunch with and Larry says, first.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Of all, I'm flattered that you would even think of
me for this. But Rob, no one one one wants
to have lunch with Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
No, no.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
And you're the guy who created seinfilm. Yeah, but you know,
I mean, the people love to.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Be embarrassing Larry David lunch fifty cents.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
You're surprised of how much money we're going to be
able to generate just by you agreeing to have lunch
with them.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Nobody wants to have lunch with me. Now we've all
done this, all three of us. I am sure I've
done it many times, have been auctioned off for a
meal you have, I'm sure by the yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And then also what I did to get out of
the lunch thing was let them be they auctioned and
it we got a lot more money than a lunch
with me auctioned off a spot on Curb Your Enthusiasm,
like thirty thousand dollars they'd make for their charity. And
then I promised them that when they worked on the show,
I'd have lunch with them. So it was very.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Convenient, and I never saw on the set.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Set and I never ever said Larry or even the
possibility of Larry joining us, which he did a couple times,
But that's a lie, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, But I think kurb had some charities used back
to meet some people if you to the charity, and
I had dinner with well I'm not going to mention
them now, but turned out two very famous showrunner and
her lawyer husband. And when I'm sitting there, knowing how
Larry comes off, like who would want to be with me?
But you feel very uncomfortable And I immediately said they
(11:54):
were going to shoot me. I mean, I want to
write to them by the way.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You know, But I had an experience that was opposite
some But he bought me a lunch for I forgot
what charity it was, with some environmental and it turned
out we ended up being very good friends for a
very long time. It turned she was on the editorial
board of the New York Times. She was a brilliant Portuguese.
She was not Portuguese curious, but she was a brilliant woman.
And it was a surprising delight. But I've had many
(12:20):
where it's like pulling tea.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know what I do to make it work. At
the end of the dinner and lean over kiss him
gently on the forehead and say that was something and
I leave. Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So Larry's afraid that it's a lot of pressure to
be entertaining and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Wait. Bit wait, there's something that's said in this scene
which now would create a different reaction. He's saying, he
said Tony Danza and then he mentions Ted Danson is
doing it. Yes, now current day curb. He hears Ted dancing.
He can't help fast enough. He wants a top Ted.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Day now their competitors.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, my favorite arguments are Richard and Larry, and my
favorite you know relationship is Tag and Larry No, because
that's the bad guy, which is so yeah yeah true.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So then Larry goes to the bathroom to wash his
hands and the shrink is in there, and the shrink
will not speak to him. The shrink is just you know,
he's pure Freudian. Yet he'll hug but in the bathroom
he will not see him, he will not speak to him.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And Larry starts talking about I'm going to go to
Santa Barbara. I think that's a good idea. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
That's a Santa Barbara thing.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I think that's.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
A pretty good idea. I think I'm going to do it,
you know, go to Santa Barbara one.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Day, Jeff, what are you and Lie? What does the
producer want the ordience to take from that moment?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
When well, we shot at about a half dozen times
and I knew it was wrong, but I didn't say
anything that was the therapist talked back to him, even
if minimally, and I said, Larry, can we do one
take because I feel this is more real that you're
Even though it's accentuated. He might have nodded or you know,
or said.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It, he just ignores it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And I said, Larry, I think you should be silent
the whole way. He washes his hand next to you.
You're opening up, You're going into what you already talked about,
and he leaves and then Larry, what the hell? But
you know, I'm sure when Larry thought about it, he
was happy.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That therapy guy to me that what I love that
moment because it was like the therapist is God in
the session, but once you're out of the session, don't
even touch, don't even talk about I don't Did.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You have one that you saw at a party or
something who didn't want to say hello.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Briving back to my other story, which I don't want
to get into the leg.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Oh look at you interest, But anyone knows, like Larry's
not a therapy guy, but therapy people know that they
put up a wall when they're out of the office.
So I wanted to play it to the hill.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, it was very confused, but I also think jeff
that choice plays into the subsequent at very much better
than if he had been chatty.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yes, so he goes home, tells Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Hold on, hold on, there's another nuance moment. Tell me
that I caught and I don't know if I'm responsible.
When the therapist opens the door, very friendly with Rob
doesn't pay attention to Larry. And then later on when
Larry comes out and Richard's going in, same exact thing,
welcoming to Richard, not acknowledging Larry anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well he's done. Yeah, I know he's done.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I love that scene and we'll talk climb us up.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Larry goes home. He tells Cheryl he wants to go
to Santa Barbara. No, now they live in Malibu. Why
are they schlepping to Santa Barbara to go to the
beach because.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That's what she probably wanted to do for a long time.
And by the way, where did I film it? Malibu?
All right, there you go?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And what about golf? Cheryl's thrilled and Larry, you know
how clueless? But what do you do? You bring up black?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Good question?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Bring what about sunscreen?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
By the way, that's the exaggerated Larry David. You know
there might be one thing that he wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But he but he knows to bring up Blake.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
If you want to know the difference between the Larry Davids,
there's a slight exaggeration, sometimes a huge exaggeration with who
he really is, but it's always an exaggeration. Well, later
on he says something that is totally Larry, but keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
They get to the beach, where do I put a
suit on? And he's slepping. He hates the slepping. I
agree with him.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
That thirty seconds it looked like a Clari David was
a shot where the comic back in the twenties or thirties,
like choppers.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Like a buster keep.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
That was that kind of physicality which you don't see
that often, like girlish Lowery, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Well last and he's great a physical comedy.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Also, yeah, absolutely is bring I'll see you enough.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
The fighting with you and in this episode there's a fight,
but the fight with you by the jewelry store, that's
not great.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And also the episode we did two weeks go, the
car salesman when he's fighting comes in.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's my word's favorite scene. She watched. She made sure
to watch it.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Scene is unbelievable. It's so great. You're great and Richard
especially calling him out and being completely missed.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And you say to him.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You say to him, which which we mentioned when we
when we did that episode that was a couple of
weeks ago, Yeah, who are you?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Willie Lowman? You say, there's always those those things lewisisms.
We call them lewisisms.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know. You know the thing I love about the
cash and the way this this show is and everyone
plays it's for real. It's like really, it's there's no
full speech really ever, I can everything, Domnic. I'm boxing
about a show that I'm part of. But that's what
I love about it so much. I love casting and
it's very real. The drama and dog we're like the
flip side of that. But it's funny and screaming loud
(17:50):
and laughing, but it's real. Everyone plays their their character
for real.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Comedy in general should be played real and as if
you're doing a drama, you put a spin and anything
comedic it's dead. It's not all well.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
The way that we do it, I mean the way
I do it, and I think we all approach it
this way is we never try to be funny.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You never try to be funny. You just do the action.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You do it. But when you meet a lot of actors,
you see actors trying to do comedy, really successful ones,
and you just go, man, they're putting a spin on it.
They're trying to be funny and it's dead.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, we're back because we have the infamous genius that
he is, Richard Lewis. Let's just take a little second
here to go back a little history with you and Larry.
I mean, I know that you met in sleep away camp,
you hated each other, then you re met years later
at the improv at the bar and became instant friends.
So how did he approach you about this part about
(18:58):
doing kerb.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
About I was sixty and I was thinking about what
I wanted to do, and I had under my belt
a couple of dramatic turns on TV and a couple
of films that I felt good about. I played a
heroinautic and an independent Little Trumps and I had just
done Leaving Las Vegas. It was one c but it
was I felt proud to be in it. And I
was thinking, maybe, maybe, after all these years at that point,
(19:22):
twenty five thirty years in stand up, maybe I should
not being Richard Lewis and anything again for a while.
But when he came over to me and said, I'm
doing this pilot and Jeff was, I think, Jeff min
you produce it. Yeah, he told me about it, and
he said, and this is there. I think this is
just after HBO wanted to pick it up, and he
(19:42):
came up with my I. I says, listen doing this thing
this show man, here's what I'm doing, and I'd like
you to play yourself. And just for one portuous instant,
I said, this is a rubacon that I'm going to
cost one way or the other. This is either going
to be a great thing for me now at my age,
or I'm going to just throw the I think I
want to be a more of a dramatic actor. And
(20:03):
then I said, I'm standing next to Larry David, maybe
the Neil Simon or the Norman Rear of our generation,
and I'm going to say no to anything. The only
request I had, I said, I'm in, but I don't
want to just be like a cameo like Sammy Davis
Junior on All in the Family. Give me an r
give me at least three episodes and he says it's
(20:23):
a deal. And I had three or four, and the
whole show got in reviews that were like stunning after
the first year. But it was the greatest decision I
have ever made. I mean, I you know, I'm a comic.
That's my deal. And I went that route.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
While we're here because he's only done this to me
three times. Richard Lewis you and Bob Einstein ask me
my opinion, And of course Richard's one of my heroes.
You I adore. We've been friends since the eighties doing
stand up in New York. And Bob Einstein, who I
didn't know.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I didn't know he did.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I was almost on a super day if I almost
played a sidekick in his USA Network Super Day, they
picked someone else and him, not knowing that that was
me the other one. He got furious. But anyhow, he
asked that you're the only three people he's ever asked
to be on the show. That's it in terms of
friends and what have you, and then saying to me,
you like this, How did he approach you?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
He called me one day.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I was sitting in my apartment and he called me
one day and just Susie, Hi, it's so ded.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I hadn't heard from him in years.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I have the show. I think I told the story. Ready,
I'll tell it again. Can't remember I have the show.
Well i'm doing I want you to play Jeff Garland's wife.
And I said, we'll send me the script. There's no script,
Well what's the character? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You could do it. They said, there's no money. You
have to do it for scale and you have to
fly yourself by yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
And I remember saying, well, you know, I'm happy to
I'd love to work with you, but I'm not because
I lived in New York.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I said, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It can't cost me something to come work with you.
At least fly me out. You know, and then they
finally they found the money to fly me out. But
you know, we didn't know what it was, right, right, Richie,
We didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Know what it was.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Here we were twenty three years later, twenty three years.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
It's unbelievable, you know. And sometimes I would run into
the guest stars if they were they're all pretty well known. No,
that's not true anymore. Where am I saying? But early
on I would beat my trail, would be next to
the guest star and I would walk out, And a
couple of times people would say what to do?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I tried to be like, calm down and just it's
all gonna be good. What do you tell them, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, twice I tell them the same thing. You can't
make a mistake. We do it over and over until
we get it, and you can say anything you can.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Just have fun.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Just have fun. However, two very well known actors twice
to seven threw up before they really yes, And I
don't know if they do that in theater or movies,
but for this it might have.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Been their process.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
No, but I think it was. They were a wreck
doing the style. Whereas all of us in this style,
you're almost like a love if it's like a glove.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Larry told me the other day on set your name
came up at Lewis And he told me the other
day on set that when you guys re met as
adults at the at the bar at the improv, what
year was.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
That, seventy three or two?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay? He told me that you were instantaneously best friends.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Well, he realized that we knew each other twelve years before,
and now we're we finally recognized that we knew each
other and then were really disliked one another.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You disliked one another as kids. It's like twelve year
old boy.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
But it was like it was like how could this happen?
And it meant there was a reason bigger than us,
some higher power of comedy put us together and we
were absolute best friends, I mean best friends suddenly. Yeah,
it was, That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I was like that with Joy.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
When Joy and I met in nineteen eighty three, we
were instantaneously best friends and have still are almost forty
years later.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I was like that with Denver Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Mainer g Crimps, I know you're younger.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I know the groovy dude, I know it. Doby Gillis. Yes, yes, no,
Kilgan's Island, which i've I'd still watch an episode now
if it's on.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
And I gotta tell you what I showed it about. Larry.
So as you said about Joy, I looked at your face.
You don't know, your eyes stillt to twirl, and I
want this is not going to be true, and I was,
and I should with low blow up for Jeff. Don't
shout out a name.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
My god, by the way, you would have come up
with a better name. I'm sorry you would paused and
let you come up with a name. Yeah, I know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Back to the episode. So he slept in the chairs,
the blanket, the umbrella, the cooler, they're on the can.
I just comment because I'm the woman in the group.
Cheryl looks amazing in that bikini.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
She done. Two thoughts Number one, Larry David was asked recently,
what advice would you give your young younger self two trips?
Now which grocery two trips? Two trips, don't try and
do it in one trip.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And he doesn't get this fascination people have with the ocean.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So that's real, Larry David. David, you know, to look
at the ocean and go, I.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Don't really get this fascination that people have with the ocean. No,
I mean I stare at it for ten minutes and
I go, Okay, I get it. Don't you feel calmer?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I feel aggravated.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Then I'm missing what other people are getting.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's all I got to watch it ten minutes. I
get it.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, and that is real.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He's also said, if you've seen one sunset, you've seen
them all.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And then the moment comes. They're lying on the on
the blanket, he's all sun blocked up and he sees
the shrink in a not just a speedo, No, it
was a delight. It was a stripe, it was it
was a thigh.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
It was a ball sack too.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was a ball sack. It was a sight to behold.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Larry didn't see that at first. He saw the front
and he was unsettled, and then he dove down because
he wants Cheryl sees the back his thong on my government.
Now Larry didn't want to include that in the show.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He didn't like it. He was embarrassed. He says, too much.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah's way I know.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But I said to him, my people don't know that.
It's my classic Larry David Lyne. If you don't do that,
I will wrestle you. I will wrestle you so hard
and beat you. And he laughs and he gives in,
and he included it, and it was a huge laugh
in the episode.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And I think anybody who has been in therapy has
that moment. Oh oh, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I mean if I saw my shrink in a well,
she was a woman, but if I saw her, it
would be horrifying to me. I saw her the judgment,
You have to question this person's judgment.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah. It reminds me of when I was a little boy.
I had a history teacher in junior high and he
was wonderful, one of my favorite teachers. The next time
I saw him, my family and I went out to
dinner at a buffet place called Sweden House, and it
was bussing tables at the same time. And so I
was you what I said to him, mister Wynn, how
(27:10):
are you? I didn't question I'm a boy. He did
not question it. And by the way, God bless him,
he actually reacted that way.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
We have our image of these people, like I remember
seeing my principal in the summer in Bermuda shorts when
I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And it blew my mind. He was always in a suit.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Were you wearing culots?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I was probably wearing a squirt or culotts. Once I
saw my shrink walking into the office in a mink
coat which did not fit with her holes, she was
like a be dippy and it completely changed my image
of her. You were not meant to see a shrink
in a thung.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
God no, God no. And by the way, I can't
remember the actor's name. If you guys could research it,
who played the.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Therapist, I haven't written you do?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, but what a brave move, yeah, by an actor
of that age. He was clearly in his fifties to
and not you know, in Adonis to wear that bathing suit.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now, John Plashett John no relation to Susanne.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But he was also very We've hired a lot of
working character actors that I had seen in a lot
of TV and a lot of movies. And for him
to wear that suit and bend over like that, Oh
my god, he very brave. That's acting brave. You know.
People say that performance it was so brave. No, it
wasn't brave wearing a thong like that on the beach Brave.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Then the question is does he tell Richard Lewis about
the thong? Because then we understand that Richard Lewis goes
to the same shrink and does he tell Richard? And
that becomes a big conundrum for him and he does obviously.
Next scene it's you, Richie and Larry and he tells
you about the thong and you're very upset about it.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
You know what, this is so unfair of you. You know,
I turn you on to this guy. He's a brilliant doctor,
but I would have never.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Told you.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Saving you from from on this heaton this gig giving
you advice.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
She's a heating is. It's not a heatonist, what is it?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
This is my twenty eighth therapist since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I don't want to go anymore. I don't want to
break the fucking recap. The recap is very hard. Your
recap is two three months? Isn't it three months for
you to recap?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
That's just a crib.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But you're upset about it because now you don't want
this information.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Oh well, I know i'd have to leave the guy too, exactly.
And now we've got to figure out I've been answering,
let's go to lunch and discuss termination.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right, and you didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I'd two guys pase you didn't.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Do it, because you were shocked later on that you
were not.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And you say to Larry, I've had twenty eight therapists
since nineteen twenty nine, and to go through a new recap,
the recap for you is is hard.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And then you guys start us.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Making fun of the recap. Now have you had that
many therapists, because you've been going for a long time?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I had about six or seven, right, not twenty way back.
And when I just started conning, my father passed away
and I went on stage to fill that hole. I
didn't have mighty money and a friend of mine was
a hospital of this Wallbee brief the hospital administrator, though
he said you can come to it was Queen's Elmer's Hospital.
Hour was that time living in Jersey and some dunk,
(30:13):
but he said it's a dollar an hour. I went,
WHOA a dollar an hour I could afford? So I
drive fifteen miles to the Queen to forty miles whatever
from Jersey, and I got to interview with the head
of the psychiatric department, and he gives me the standardized tense,
and I think my memory is screwed up.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Even back then he would say this, who's the Secretary
of State? And I just I panicked. I went lu Costello.
I just didn't know, but he and then he said,
who's the UN ambassador Fedruary? I don't care to think that.
Don mean he's writing everything down? Faye ready, Lucastello. So
(30:52):
he asked me twenty of these, and I was pissed off.
I said, look, my father just died. I just started
to stand up. I'm a wreck. I need to see
his strength. And he kept asking me who is this? Who? What? Who? Forty?
World War One?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The dogs of that.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
By the way, you're making me feel better right now,
because I've had that since that age and probably before,
where there's no way and there's even obvious names friends
of mine.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Then then, Lewis, you say something when you when you're
discussing with Larry how to terminate you say which made
me laugh.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I got it. How am I going to tell him
I'm going to leave now? How am I gonna tellhim
I'm gonna leave now?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I don't know? Is it like a Look, can you
do it on the phone.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You have to do it in person.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
What's fodentially in cable you have to go in aging
human beings helped.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You, you know, And and the termination is always a
big fucking thing with these therapists.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And we're back.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
What did you say, Richard about roots? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yes, that's later.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Richard says, let's go to lunch and figure out a
game plan how we're both going to terminate. And let
Larry says he can't go to lunch because he's being
auctioned off.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
And that's what Richard says.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
What is this fruits that I talked about? Slavery? Slavery reference?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, we know, we got the reference. Thank you do.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I thought you needed to be, you know, an educator.
Fisher a brief.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Moment, Oh my god, I love you God.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
If I make a pull on my shelf every thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's a typical Lewis reference, though, isn't it. That's such
a Lewis.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
We've talked about on our previous episodes. We always point
out the brilliant Lewis references that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Only you could come up here. You better accept so
now somebody's paying him four thousand dollars, he's got to go.
It's a lot of pressure. But blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So Larry shows up at the restaurant and he meets
the person who bought him for four thousand dollars, John Tyler.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, Tom McGowan.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Tom McGowan, very successful.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Character actor, very good friends of mine, you know, and
him and everybody agreed, Yeah, great improv great actor and
the nicest guy, always saying somebody sweet, a very sweet guy.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well you could see he's sweet by his face. And
he was terrific in his disappointment.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And also at not getting a thing that Larry is
doing in the scene.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And but I don't think Larry's behavior was so horrible, No,
because he was uncomfortable. He was uncomfortable, and he was
John Tip Tipper Tippy Canoe and Tyler too, and John
Tyler the president, and I'm related to King David. And
ever catch your parents having sex?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
By the way, by that that came so out of
left field, which made it so funny.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
You ever catch your parents? No, no me either, you
know they did, but you wanted to win.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And then he went to where is it from I'm
from Jersey. You ever see here Joe to the Jersey Guy,
and then he starts doing an impression of Joe Episcopo
during the Jersey Guy and then playing.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
The Salt Pepper Shakers and the you know.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Then he sings in the Marilyn monroepreciate.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Hold on though, that is to me a sublime moment.
He's sitting on, he's playing you ever you ever play
on the salt Shakers? And he's playing a song on
the salt shakers and you recognize it? Happy Birthday? Simple.
John Tyler does not recognize it, and he goes, well,
what is it? Larry goes happy Birthday? He starts stinging
(34:29):
at regular and then Larry suddenly goes into Marilyn Monroe,
Larry David in prison birthday, mister President. And then he
points at John Tyler about you know, I just thought that.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Was magnificent, magnificent.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, and then of course going into he's got a
terrific penis, etc.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Etc.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And then about the dick growth.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Then he starts in with the growth syndrome, which which
John Tyler's Nie has growth syndrome.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We've established that fact.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And he goes into that it was named that he
thinks it was named after Dick Grote, who was a shortstop.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
For who the Pittsburgh Pirates for the Pirates of his
baseball card.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, and clearly John Tyler is upset about the fact
that he's thinking it's named after Dick wrote.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And then the food comes.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Hold on, I have a thing that is for you guys,
and a handful of other people. So Larry and I
wanted to put a comedian that we knew into the
waiters role. We asked the casting people to get us
Mike Reynolds. Yes, Mike Reynolds, the comedian and.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Sadly no longer here.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, yes, I love the guy. And that man comes
over that scene. Larry and I weren't prepared. Your food
will be coming, older gentlemen, totally miscast as a waiter,
and we both asked, where is what happened to Mike Reynolds?
She booked the wrong micro.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
His name is Mike, and I've never forgotten.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
We were just like, oh.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Mike Reynolds, Yeah, I know, great guy.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And then Larry's food comes and he wants to begin,
but John Tyler's food is not here. Do we have
to start at the same time, a typical larryism.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
When that started in rewatching it, I knew it was over.
The lunch would end shortly because when Larry says something
negative to somebody, it's only gonna build. Yeah, because usually
it's curious, but this is curious mixed with anger. Keep going.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
So that scene has ended, and then we're in the
waiting room again of the shrink when you know that
Larry is gonna try to terminate and Rob comes out.
This shrink only has Rob Lewis and Larry's.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
By the way, did you notice they switched times?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Switch time?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That happens on occasion.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Rob comes out, what's happened? And Larry's like, I tried
to be affable. That's such a Larry thing. I tried
to be affable. I tried to be today I felt pressure.
And Rob's like, didn't you read any of the literature?
And you start eating.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Old I wait, Larry says, I find that stuff depressing.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yes, I find that stuff depressing.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
And then also he says to him, well, you know,
Dick Grote, you know there's short stuff for the pirates,
and he said, what are you doing? Grit Groat The
name's not named after him. He goes, lou Garrick has a.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Disease, and he's right about that. He does have a
disease or did.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And then you start eating and says Rob starts going
through the litany of everything that Larry did wrong and says,
the guy's going to cancel the check because he had
such a miserable time, and he says the only way
that he could, and robs us, you need to get
more involved with groats.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Well, hold on, there's a term. So Larry does ask,
because I'm watching this now, I'm going, why isn't he
asking can I write a check to get it?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
He did ask no, So he did ask.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
That, but it was a while. And the thing that
Rob Reiner said that I wrote down, which God bless
him for improvising this. Larry, that's not the point.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
It's not just giving money. It's it's it's it's getting involved,
you know, in groats.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's being you know, groats active.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
You need to start being more groats active. I was
the phrase he youth, and I was just like, you know, man.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
He talks him into doing a talent show for the
Groat people with groats for hosting a talent show, and.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Then you know at that moment of a Curbs fan
that's going to be hell, hell, hell, hell, hell hell.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
By the way, it's all it's like, it's like I've
mentioned before, Nat Hiken, I have to always explain enough
to explain to you. Richard Nett I can, by the way,
for those you are listening and havn't listened to. He's
a chargeant bill Coe tarfifty four two of my favorite things,
And he's the only writer that Larry resembles because they
start like they do those domino things on.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The Puszic shows.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know where you hit the domino and it goes
in different directions and then it meets together at the end.
That's how Nat Hiken wrote, and that's how Larry David wrote.
I'll traz lead to the moment.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
That everything in the script, in the episode, in the
filming of it has to be pushing the story forward, right,
So it's not just funny for fun He's saying, it
has to be moved. It's all story has to be
moving the story forward. So Larry agrees that he's going
to do the Growths Talent Show, and then the shrink
interrupts and Larry sits down and has big news. I
(39:12):
think I'm all better, which the epiphany.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Epiphany, and then I think, maybe for the first time
ever in this scene, he says.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm feeling pretty good, pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty good.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Pretty pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Now, Anna asked, I think so too, And Anna asked,
where where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Was that a Larry thing before that, pretty pritchard?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Have you ever heard him say that?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Did that become a curb thing?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I think he just improvised it in the moment. You know,
he didn't plan to say that, right, None of us
plan except for someone who's on the score. Okay, but yeah,
you're there, our only planner. You don't do it anymore.
But remember you put an index card like by the
salt shaker if Larry and I having lunch, and then
Larry or I right before they said speed, so we
(40:05):
knew we pulled the card away and used to get
some mesas. But you were brilliant, so we didn't watch twice.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I wanted to come to you once or twice.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
One you're talking to baby. Yes, so all right, so Larry,
so the shrink says to Larry says.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
The promenade, let me just say I said this before
in person. My my rationale for having a couple of
things in my head before the seat that I would
say to myself. Ge Larry wrote this story five six months.
He's been ruminating about it. How could he? He's not
going to stop thorts from coming through his head. I
deserve a couple of that lids in my head dissertation.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Before, by the way, they should be in his head.
And I also want to say, though I've been guilty
of it. When you prep a line that you're going
to say, unless you think of it in the beat before,
it's never going to work.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I never prep a line, but I'll have things in
my head.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Well, your performance is really.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
About things in my head, then, David or not.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
She is different in every take except for one moment,
the get out when you tell her to get out.
That is a consistency. And we just filmed one the
other day and Larry laughs as hard as he ever did.
But that when you do, let her perfect every single time.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
But but there are things that I when I read
the outline, the stuff that goes on, you know what
I mean. But whatever, So Larry says, I'm the terminator,
and the shrink says, was at the beach, Larry, and.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
You know the way he says it.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
He knows, he knows.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Larry doesn't pick up on it, but he knows.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
And Larry lies, I didn't go to the beach, which
is you know, that's the first mistake because he doesn't
know that he didn't turn at an inadvertent moment and
see Larry when he didn't see if he doesn't know
any of this something with my wife and the shrink
looks very very suspicious, And Larry's, oh, I could come
back into amity.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
If you'll have me, If you'll have I like to
come back intermittently, if you'll have me.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
And then.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
He says I'd like to get a refresher course every
once in a while.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
And the strike says, you seem agitated. What about the
Jason Alexander Risher? Do you see magestated? No? And Larry says,
you're seeing a bullion us.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
By the way, how about this one? Yes, I'm sad
and frustrated by it. If you bring up the Holocaust
right now, what kind of reaction are you going to see?
Which is a great line.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
And then Larry says, I'm a hammock, just gently flowing
in the police, and you're such a good therapist that
you're a victim of your own talents and skills. He
tells the guy, and then the spring says, I know
you were at the beach, Larry, So it has nothing
to do with the thong.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, Larry died in that moment. He was dead, and
he was dead and it was so wonderful to watch.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And then he walks out and who's in the waiting
room Richard? Richard Richard, and Larry's like, he's on to us.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
He knows about the thong, and that Larry figures that
John Tyler told Rob because we didn't mention Larry told
John Tyler and the lunch about the thong.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
No, but he figures out right the puzzle. How did
he know? Told John Tyler?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Who told Rob Reiner, who take Rob told the therapist, Yes,
what happened?
Speaker 3 (43:17):
How do you? How do you add it?
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Are you out of it?
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I'm out? I'm out?
Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
How I told him? I told him? I was I
was happy, and I didn't need you told him what
I told him.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
I was happy.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
That's what I'm telling him. How can you steal my germination,
your determination?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
I didn't know you were going to sing you a
I mean, we never discussed that. Am I going to
leave a short?
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I'm miserable, I'm suicidal, I want to leave.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I don't know what am I gonna do? Tell him?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Tell him you're a scientologist or something. Mat could you
steal my termination?
Speaker 4 (43:43):
I was instantaneously in the panic mode, like the IOG.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
It was so beautiful, Richard. It was so beautiful and
completely believable that that would.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Be dealing my termination. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
And then Larry says, tell him you're a scientologist. Where
the fuck he got that one from?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
I'm a therapy person, I think. Instead, he tells me
to watch that movie Battle.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Hold On, hold On, Richard, you saying the first line
and people might not notice it. Where did you get
that fabric? You're feeling his shirt questioning.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
The fatal let me because the shrink comes out. Yeah,
to pretend so that that's when you win.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
By the way, the Battlestar Galactica came from I suggested
it because there was a movie with John Travolta that
was a scientologist movie. Everyone is it's all scientology, big
sci fi movie, huge bomb, And so Larry was trying
to do a reference for think of the movie, and
I said to Larry, just say Battlestar Galactic. Yeah, it'll work,
Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Battlestar Galactic.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
It was. There were two versions. There was one in
the seventies with Lauren Green ANBC I believe, and then
there was one on I believe the Sci Fi Channel
that was scary as can be with Edward James almost
and it was so it was every episode. I had
to shake it off there just.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
When you just talking about the Battlestar thing. There's a
beautiful thread from the beginning of this series to through
now that Larry, as much affection as we have for
each other, he'll always do like this and now live
directed towards me. That's sort of a negative like, oh,
you're gonna watch that piece of crap or you're gonna
and I have to defend myself and say what you
(45:26):
talk me about. I mean, he's always putting me on
the defensive, which a.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Very judgmental of you.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
That's that's the way anybody on the show.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yes, and then we cut to the Talent show and
Larry's show. What does he say the groats laboratories cure
for bald.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
And then he sort of does the whole thing about
enthusiasm with baldness, and then he closed out with his
professor of vice.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
So watch out, bald people, your day's coming.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Don't give up hope. Keep op alive. You must keep
hope alive, bald people, keep your hope up. Bald men,
everywhere the groats people are gonna take care. They cut
to the audience and they're all in disbelief, like what
is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
And then he brings out Melanie Tyler, who is the
niece of John Tyler, and she starts playing the what
is she playing for?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Delise? I think she's getting.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Tyler in the ording right away? The oriente is.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Here we go and she starts all of a sudden,
freaking out and playing really fast. And Larry feels as
though he's standing in the back with Bob Whitey next
to him, one of our directors of the show, and
he feels that he has to go out and save again.
No good deed goes unpunished. That's his mind right away.
Tries to do a good things.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
He should say to my say to himself, how am
I helping things by going out and getting her, let
her play fast, let her freaking rails, that's none of
my concern. Instead, he doesn't take a beat to consider,
and he runs out.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And once again a physical altercation.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Before that, he goes, how about I forget her name?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
How about?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And a big applause comes, And if it was just
that and she kept playing, he also could go all right,
I'm gonna step back. So he had an opportunity, no
cereba and.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
A physical altercation, which he he loves, the physical altar.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I've had them with him. I don't think you ever have, Jeff,
have you who you and.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Larry had a physical and Lewis has had many.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
No, And as a matter of fact, our moments are
unique to us and not how he treats other characters.
The one time we tried it, which I'll talk about
later on, but I'll say right now, we tried one
of the eye things, you know, the long staring eye things.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, I know it didn't.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Work so fucking hard because the way I look at
and we discussed it, we both know with the other
one's line, there's not a moment where you go because
we say, we say to each other, you're full of shit.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You know, it's interesting. I've only had one of those
with him, only one in all the years.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Is naturally funny because we know that you're thinking he's full.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Of I always full.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
And then the episode ends and there we are with
the Thong, directed by Jeff Garless, starring Richard Lewis.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I was so honored. I never did it again on
the show, but I was so honored to be able
to do that, you know, And I said to Larry,
I know it wasn't easy for you. He doesn't like
being directed by a cast mate. All the directors are separate,
separate things. And I said, I know how hard it
was for you, and I can't tell you how much
I thank you. I so appreciate it. Yeah that's the
(48:46):
really Yeah, sure good. And by the way he meant it,
he was happy that I.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Said that, but he's not you know, A buillion and.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
One and maybe just see you it and show lines.
That's it with all twenty two years, that's what being there.
It's passion member directing other than you're in show.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Susie came early on.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
No, No, He's asking directing. Cheryl directed one episode she
did later on season nine.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
But that being said, she was not in.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
That episode that season. She wasn't.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
But was there anybody else? I think you're right, Lewis.
Is nobody else?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
No, no one else.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
That's it And it only happened twice.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Can I say for the record, I had to bother
him and bother him and bother him. And I'm sure
Shell said Larry I wanted to and he said, okay,
you know, I mean, I sure she didn't have to
work hard at all, because she's hard to say no to.
She's so adorable.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
It has been our great thrill and pleasure, jes to
have Richard Lewis as our guest today.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
There was a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Anytime spent with you is a time well spent.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
And we're going to spend a lot of time together
very soon.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
And by the way, I want to add this, he's
one of the people that when I'm shooting a scene
with him, inside my mind I go, wow, I'm doing
a scene with Richard. Because you have to understand, I
watched him.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
For years before I became.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
A comedian, and I was like, what is this guy?
Who is this guy? He's amazing? And then remember, Richard,
I told you what was the name of the Diary
of a Comedian? Was that the name of the film?
Diver Young Comic and get this, so.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Tell them what Diary of a Young Comic is?
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Tell you? And a half movie.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Said, yes, Saturday Night Live wasn't out, I mean, didn't
do an episode that week, and replacing it all across
the country was a movie about a comedian starring Richard Lewis,
and I thought, and you were great in that because
it was funny, but it was so dramatic, and I went,
this is the guy. So to this day I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
And Lewis, what's Lewis? What's our beef? Yours and mine?
We have never in all of these seasons had a
scene together. We've had scenes party, but we've never had
an interaction with each there.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Oh yeah, but the different party, we uhould throw the
ball that U was toured together, and we're oh.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
And we tour together, Susie, Richard and myself.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
And Leon Leon on occasion, and then Leon we call
I don't know it doesn't remember, we call Larry the
Hog because we never had a scene together ever. But
it's so, you know what, there's no complaints. And I
talked to me to praise like that, but I will
and I we love.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
You, Richard, we love you, and we're going to see
you shooting very soon because we're past the audience.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Also want to add, when I tell the number one
thing that people ask me when I tell them we're
shooting another season is Richard.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Is Richard in it? I get asked that one is.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Richard in A couple of surveys. Knocked me out for
much of the last season.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
But I'm back now, so it's pretty back, baby, stronger way.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's still a big ball of handsome. We've talked about
in these episodes.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
How handsome you are on the page. Shut up, all right,
I rememb turned this computer. Who does I don't want
to do. I don't want to reject.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
You don't worry about in your life.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
You need to do what you do on phone conversations.
You say something funny and then you think, so anytime.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
I stole that from down to show him.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
You see, he's gone.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
He's gone.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
That's what he does. You're talking to you, I know,
and it'll say something really funny that kills you, and
then he's gone and we're gone.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
This episode is over, and we'll see you.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Next time, I'm gonna be abrasive and not say anything
even though I just said something. Bye, thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
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episode description. Okay, here we are. We're on season two,
episode five, the Thong, and I'm STUSI esman.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Who are you. I'm Jeff Garland, one of America's top teens.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Absolutely, and we have a special guest with us today, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, we do, is mister Richard Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Richard Lewis.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I love you, Richard.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I love you guys too. I love your show.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
All right, now we're going to discuss the episode. Let
me just say right up front, this episode was directed
by none other than Jeff Garland.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes, how did that come about?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, it came about from me nudging Larry David over
and over and he was so reluctant, reluctant, reluctant, reluctant.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And and what what had you directed up until this point?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Nothing, absolutely directed stage stuff but nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I had yes. In terms of
a camera capturing something. This is the first time and
it meant the world to me because by him allowing
me to direct, I was able to showcase that to
be able to get money to shoot films. I shot
three films, all of which have great moments and a
lot of mediocrity.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And Joe, didn't it help you shoe some? Didn't you
shot a lot of specials and you help a lot
of community. Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I shot Dennis Leary's and shoot it. I I co
directed it with Ted DEMI didn't.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
That help you a little bit? I mean you felt
so well?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I watched Yes, Yes, Yes, and John Stewart before Curb
even started. I did John Stewart's on Levin with Beth McCarthy.
I like saying, because they did the cameras and I
did the performance.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Richard, have you ever directed?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Just craft Services?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
By the way, when you're there, Craft Service is so
much better.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well because I come in the morning before and go
ogle what you know green eminem rout.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And by the way, my favorite thing you've ever done
is the ball full of lozenges. That's the best one.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So we start the episode and Larry is in therapy.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Before we do can we just discuss the mental institution.
Back dropping me around Susan. What is that that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Does look like a but it's it's curtains because I
see seat cushions behind there's.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We didn't tell you where are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But behind me or soundboards it's.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The creed More podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
This is our bell being production.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now here's the interesting thing that we start out with
Larry and therapy period and Larry is not a therapy guy,
where all therapy people, the three of us are all
therapy people.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Lewis, I know you, you know, forever.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
A minute, We're just Sean Meg. When I was in
therapy for about forty years and I was in this
group therapy in New York when I started, and with
this guy who became like the shrinks of the comments,
which sort of bugged me a little bit, but I
got what it was. Just did this. He had an
office on the East Side. You sit there for an
(03:28):
hour and a half with six neurotic whining people and
then answer that hour and a half. First it took
an hour I was in Jersey. Then would I drive
to New York try to find his faith, go to
the shrink after the shrink with the seven whining people
go to a little place at signed something to eat.
Then we had to go to an after group, and
(03:48):
then wherever they lived Staton Island, fucking Brooklyn, walm you.
It was like an eight hour deal. It was unbearable.
So but I somehow told Larry, you know, he was
always calling me with shit. I said, you got to
come to this group. Came one night. We're sitting there
and he stands up there. This is after the shrink,
this is at someone's time. You like, I don't need this.
(04:11):
I don't need to hear this whining of a Ay
you bullshit. I'm out of here. And he started screaming
and running out of this woman's apartment and we changed
him down New York Avenue, rod First Average and he
hid in the phone bos like this and all of it.
In the ride, Jewish were going waitning' you wait, didn't
you waiting? And he was swimming look coming back. It
(04:31):
was why didn't I always said, Larry, why you didn't
put that in anything? Well, you know, whenever you tell Larry,
you know said, whenever you tell Larry, I had this
moment that seems so right for you, you'll immediately go no, no, no,
what do you know?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
What what I say to people who come up and
pitch me, you know, on the street or restaurant, I say,
I don't even give Larry David ideas. And I'm an
executive producer, right, your idea be so great? I said,
I've never heard a good one. And this is hundreds
upon hundreds.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Oh, the NonStop kind of stop.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, but guess what I say, I've never heard a
good one. He goes, this will be the one you use,
and guess what, worse than the last one.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But you know what, what's interesting to me about that
story is how dated it is because no more phone booths,
even Superman.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
That's true. That's just me.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
By the way, the only idea that we used up
until the time, David Feldman for the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Very funny.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I came up with the thing about the numbers on
the arm being the from a Holidays and it was
his lottery numbers.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And that's next next season. You'll be discussing that. That's
season three. So Larry's sitting there talking in therapy about
his gray sneakers.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know, nonsense, just nothing in the therapist.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, therapist says, let's get back to Cheryl, and Larry complains,
we don't do anything together. She plays tennis. I played golf,
and he's like, well, why don't you play tennis with it?
Because she beat me every time because of my neck.
She likes the outdoors. The therapist suggests, what about the beach,
So Larry decides he's going to go to the beach
with Cheryl and he hugs the therapist.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
They hug each other, well, it was.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
A pretty close It was a good hug. He rarely
touched his skin. But I have never heard my therapist
I hugged.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I once went to a therapist after two times she
was doing such great work. I hugged her.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
She pushed me off and goes, why would why would
you do that? And I said, I was just so emotional.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It was so she was right. I concur Have you
ever hugged your therapist, Richard?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I didn't more than that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Why, oh God enough, I don't want to hear it.
I have never hugged my therapist.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
A therapist many times gently on the forehead and said
thank you.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
No, you know, taking out in the balcony of the
theater bed.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I had a strict Freudian no hugs.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
No, on the couch, lying on the couch, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Baby, oh yeah, for ten years lying on the couch.
That's why I'm normal.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So Larry leaves the therapist and Rob Reiner is in
the way to that to me was always a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Who's in the waiting room?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, by the way, every time I've gone I rarely
go out and see people. There's always an exit.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Not always.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It depends on where you are to Summerset, not in
New York. They're not set up that way.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh really, Because I remember when we were doing this,
I questioned that, but then I also thought where what
are they going to do? Have this conversation in the hallway,
and there's a moment that's important in the scene besides
Rob explaining things. Imagine Rob Reiner. We're about to say
because Larry walks in the waiting room and Rob Render
is there, which could happen to anyone. You go in
that waiting room and it's Ben Vereen anyhow.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And there's always a relationship that there was, like the
person that was always after me on a Wednesday, let's say,
and you go.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Into a fantasy about this person. You know, who are
they what?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But my point was so he goes out in the
lobby he sees Rob Reiner. Imagine my delight in seeing
Rob Reiner working that episode, because who do you think
I turned to when I was stuck?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I said, what if this comes up as a director.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So he was mentoring me while I'm directing, and so
kind about it. When I made my first movie, the
very first scene I ever shot, Paul Mazerski is in
the scene. He plays this producer's master. And Paul Mazerski
was so helpful and he was literally in life one
of my mentors. I'm the biggest mentor.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And also, if I may add, played Norm I'm later.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Directed for many a great movie. Bob Carroll ten.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Nallis, Last Stop Greenwich Village done in Beverly Hills. It
was it last Stop Greenwich Fields, no next, up, next, whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So I wanted to say so when I was shooting
the very first scene, my first shot, and Paul goes,
can you give Jeff and I a minute here because
I'm shaking. It's overwhelming. First movie. He pulls me aside,
he goes, this happened to me when I filmed Bob
yer Old ten Nallis. He said, my first you know movie,
(09:04):
I'm very nervous. I think it was surtees. The DP said,
come with me, and he pulls them up into a
crane up above everybody, and he says, how you doing?
And Paul says good. Why'd you bring me up here? Oh?
You needed a break. He goes, look at all those people.
They want to help you. They don't want to judge you.
(09:26):
No one's judging you. Just go do your best. And
they went down and he was calm. And that's what
Paul did to me in my first movie. And I
want to give him credit. All right, let's continue. Sorry
about it, That's okay, we'll be right back. Stay tuned,
(09:51):
and we're back.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So he runs into Rob in the waiting room and
Rob is doing a charity benefit thing for Groats and.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Which, by the way, when Larry wrote it, he based
it on the Dick Groat the seconds later you know,
I know, but he really wrote it based on that name.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And he wants Larry, which is which is a disorder
of hyperactivity.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Like drinking eight cups of coffee right, which would be
especially for someone with add good luck world.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And he wants Larry to auctioned himself off to have
lunch with and Larry says, first.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Of all, I'm flattered that you would even think of
me for this. But Rob, no one one one wants
to have lunch with Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
No, no.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
And you're the guy who created seinfilm. Yeah, but you know,
I mean, the people love to.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Be embarrassing Larry David lunch fifty cents.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
You're surprised of how much money we're going to be
able to generate just by you agreeing to have lunch
with them.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Nobody wants to have lunch with me. Now we've all
done this, all three of us. I am sure I've
done it many times, have been auctioned off for a
meal you have, I'm sure by the yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And then also what I did to get out of
the lunch thing was let them be they auctioned and
it we got a lot more money than a lunch
with me auctioned off a spot on Curb Your Enthusiasm,
like thirty thousand dollars they'd make for their charity. And
then I promised them that when they worked on the show,
I'd have lunch with them. So it was very.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Convenient, and I never saw on the set.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Set and I never ever said Larry or even the
possibility of Larry joining us, which he did a couple times,
But that's a lie, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, But I think kurb had some charities used back
to meet some people if you to the charity, and
I had dinner with well I'm not going to mention
them now, but turned out two very famous showrunner and
her lawyer husband. And when I'm sitting there, knowing how
Larry comes off, like who would want to be with me?
But you feel very uncomfortable And I immediately said they
(11:54):
were going to shoot me. I mean, I want to
write to them by the way.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You know, But I had an experience that was opposite
some But he bought me a lunch for I forgot
what charity it was, with some environmental and it turned
out we ended up being very good friends for a
very long time. It turned she was on the editorial
board of the New York Times. She was a brilliant Portuguese.
She was not Portuguese curious, but she was a brilliant woman.
And it was a surprising delight. But I've had many
(12:20):
where it's like pulling tea.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know what I do to make it work. At
the end of the dinner and lean over kiss him
gently on the forehead and say that was something and
I leave. Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So Larry's afraid that it's a lot of pressure to
be entertaining and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Wait. Bit wait, there's something that's said in this scene
which now would create a different reaction. He's saying, he
said Tony Danza and then he mentions Ted Danson is
doing it. Yes, now current day curb. He hears Ted dancing.
He can't help fast enough. He wants a top Ted.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Day now their competitors.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, my favorite arguments are Richard and Larry, and my
favorite you know relationship is Tag and Larry No, because
that's the bad guy, which is so yeah yeah true.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So then Larry goes to the bathroom to wash his
hands and the shrink is in there, and the shrink
will not speak to him. The shrink is just you know,
he's pure Freudian. Yet he'll hug but in the bathroom
he will not see him, he will not speak to him.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And Larry starts talking about I'm going to go to
Santa Barbara. I think that's a good idea. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
That's a Santa Barbara thing.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I think that's.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
A pretty good idea. I think I'm going to do it,
you know, go to Santa Barbara one.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Day, Jeff, what are you and Lie? What does the
producer want the ordience to take from that moment?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
When well, we shot at about a half dozen times
and I knew it was wrong, but I didn't say
anything that was the therapist talked back to him, even
if minimally, and I said, Larry, can we do one
take because I feel this is more real that you're
Even though it's accentuated. He might have nodded or you know,
or said.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It, he just ignores it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And I said, Larry, I think you should be silent
the whole way. He washes his hand next to you.
You're opening up, You're going into what you already talked about,
and he leaves and then Larry, what the hell? But
you know, I'm sure when Larry thought about it, he
was happy.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That therapy guy to me that what I love that
moment because it was like the therapist is God in
the session, but once you're out of the session, don't
even touch, don't even talk about I don't Did.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You have one that you saw at a party or
something who didn't want to say hello.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Briving back to my other story, which I don't want
to get into the leg.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Oh look at you interest, But anyone knows, like Larry's
not a therapy guy, but therapy people know that they
put up a wall when they're out of the office.
So I wanted to play it to the hill.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, it was very confused, but I also think jeff
that choice plays into the subsequent at very much better
than if he had been chatty.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yes, so he goes home, tells Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Hold on, hold on, there's another nuance moment. Tell me
that I caught and I don't know if I'm responsible.
When the therapist opens the door, very friendly with Rob
doesn't pay attention to Larry. And then later on when
Larry comes out and Richard's going in, same exact thing,
welcoming to Richard, not acknowledging Larry anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well he's done. Yeah, I know he's done.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I love that scene and we'll talk climb us up.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Larry goes home. He tells Cheryl he wants to go
to Santa Barbara. No, now they live in Malibu. Why
are they schlepping to Santa Barbara to go to the
beach because.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That's what she probably wanted to do for a long time.
And by the way, where did I film it? Malibu?
All right, there you go?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And what about golf? Cheryl's thrilled and Larry, you know
how clueless? But what do you do? You bring up black?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Good question?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Bring what about sunscreen?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
By the way, that's the exaggerated Larry David. You know
there might be one thing that he wouldn't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But he but he knows to bring up Blake.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
If you want to know the difference between the Larry Davids,
there's a slight exaggeration, sometimes a huge exaggeration with who
he really is, but it's always an exaggeration. Well, later
on he says something that is totally Larry, but keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
They get to the beach, where do I put a
suit on? And he's slepping. He hates the slepping. I
agree with him.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
That thirty seconds it looked like a Clari David was
a shot where the comic back in the twenties or thirties,
like choppers.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Like a buster keep.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
That was that kind of physicality which you don't see
that often, like girlish Lowery, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Well last and he's great a physical comedy.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Also, yeah, absolutely is bring I'll see you enough.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
The fighting with you and in this episode there's a fight,
but the fight with you by the jewelry store, that's
not great.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And also the episode we did two weeks go, the
car salesman when he's fighting comes in.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's my word's favorite scene. She watched. She made sure
to watch it.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Scene is unbelievable. It's so great. You're great and Richard
especially calling him out and being completely missed.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And you say to him.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You say to him, which which we mentioned when we
when we did that episode that was a couple of
weeks ago, Yeah, who are you?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Willie Lowman? You say, there's always those those things lewisisms.
We call them lewisisms.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
You know. You know the thing I love about the
cash and the way this this show is and everyone
plays it's for real. It's like really, it's there's no
full speech really ever, I can everything, Domnic. I'm boxing
about a show that I'm part of. But that's what
I love about it so much. I love casting and
it's very real. The drama and dog we're like the
flip side of that. But it's funny and screaming loud
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and laughing, but it's real. Everyone plays their their character
for real.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Comedy in general should be played real and as if
you're doing a drama, you put a spin and anything
comedic it's dead. It's not all well.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
The way that we do it, I mean the way
I do it, and I think we all approach it
this way is we never try to be funny.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You never try to be funny. You just do the action.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You do it. But when you meet a lot of actors,
you see actors trying to do comedy, really successful ones,
and you just go, man, they're putting a spin on it.
They're trying to be funny and it's dead.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, we're back because we have the infamous genius that
he is, Richard Lewis. Let's just take a little second
here to go back a little history with you and Larry.
I mean, I know that you met in sleep away camp,
you hated each other, then you re met years later
at the improv at the bar and became instant friends.
So how did he approach you about this part about
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doing kerb.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
About I was sixty and I was thinking about what
I wanted to do, and I had under my belt
a couple of dramatic turns on TV and a couple
of films that I felt good about. I played a
heroinautic and an independent Little Trumps and I had just
done Leaving Las Vegas. It was one c but it
was I felt proud to be in it. And I
was thinking, maybe, maybe, after all these years at that point,
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twenty five thirty years in stand up, maybe I should
not being Richard Lewis and anything again for a while.
But when he came over to me and said, I'm
doing this pilot and Jeff was, I think, Jeff min
you produce it. Yeah, he told me about it, and
he said, and this is there. I think this is
just after HBO wanted to pick it up, and he
(19:42):
came up with my I. I says, listen doing this thing
this show man, here's what I'm doing, and I'd like
you to play yourself. And just for one portuous instant,
I said, this is a rubacon that I'm going to
cost one way or the other. This is either going
to be a great thing for me now at my age,
or I'm going to just throw the I think I
want to be a more of a dramatic actor. And
(20:03):
then I said, I'm standing next to Larry David, maybe
the Neil Simon or the Norman Rear of our generation,
and I'm going to say no to anything. The only
request I had, I said, I'm in, but I don't
want to just be like a cameo like Sammy Davis
Junior on All in the Family. Give me an r
give me at least three episodes and he says it's
(20:23):
a deal. And I had three or four, and the
whole show got in reviews that were like stunning after
the first year. But it was the greatest decision I
have ever made. I mean, I you know, I'm a comic.
That's my deal. And I went that route.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
While we're here because he's only done this to me
three times. Richard Lewis you and Bob Einstein ask me
my opinion, And of course Richard's one of my heroes.
You I adore. We've been friends since the eighties doing
stand up in New York. And Bob Einstein, who I
didn't know.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I didn't know he did.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I was almost on a super day if I almost
played a sidekick in his USA Network Super Day, they
picked someone else and him, not knowing that that was
me the other one. He got furious. But anyhow, he
asked that you're the only three people he's ever asked
to be on the show. That's it in terms of
friends and what have you, and then saying to me,
you like this, How did he approach you?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
He called me one day.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I was sitting in my apartment and he called me
one day and just Susie, Hi, it's so ded.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I hadn't heard from him in years.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I have the show. I think I told the story. Ready,
I'll tell it again. Can't remember I have the show.
Well i'm doing I want you to play Jeff Garland's wife.
And I said, we'll send me the script. There's no script,
Well what's the character? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You could do it. They said, there's no money. You
have to do it for scale and you have to
fly yourself by yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
And I remember saying, well, you know, I'm happy to
I'd love to work with you, but I'm not because
I lived in New York.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I said, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It can't cost me something to come work with you.
At least fly me out. You know, and then they
finally they found the money to fly me out. But
you know, we didn't know what it was, right, right, Richie,
We didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Know what it was.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Here we were twenty three years later, twenty three years.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
It's unbelievable, you know. And sometimes I would run into
the guest stars if they were they're all pretty well known. No,
that's not true anymore. Where am I saying? But early
on I would beat my trail, would be next to
the guest star and I would walk out, And a
couple of times people would say what to do?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I tried to be like, calm down and just it's
all gonna be good. What do you tell them, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well, twice I tell them the same thing. You can't
make a mistake. We do it over and over until
we get it, and you can say anything you can.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Just have fun.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Just have fun. However, two very well known actors twice
to seven threw up before they really yes, And I
don't know if they do that in theater or movies,
but for this it might have.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Been their process.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
No, but I think it was. They were a wreck
doing the style. Whereas all of us in this style,
you're almost like a love if it's like a glove.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Larry told me the other day on set your name
came up at Lewis And he told me the other
day on set that when you guys re met as
adults at the at the bar at the improv, what
year was.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
That, seventy three or two?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay? He told me that you were instantaneously best friends.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Well, he realized that we knew each other twelve years before,
and now we're we finally recognized that we knew each
other and then were really disliked one another.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You disliked one another as kids. It's like twelve year
old boy.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
But it was like it was like how could this happen?
And it meant there was a reason bigger than us,
some higher power of comedy put us together and we
were absolute best friends, I mean best friends suddenly. Yeah,
it was, That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I was like that with Joy.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
When Joy and I met in nineteen eighty three, we
were instantaneously best friends and have still are almost forty
years later.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I was like that with Denver Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Mainer g Crimps, I know you're younger.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I know the groovy dude, I know it. Doby Gillis. Yes, yes, no,
Kilgan's Island, which i've I'd still watch an episode now
if it's on.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
And I gotta tell you what I showed it about. Larry.
So as you said about Joy, I looked at your face.
You don't know, your eyes stillt to twirl, and I
want this is not going to be true, and I was,
and I should with low blow up for Jeff. Don't
shout out a name.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
My god, by the way, you would have come up
with a better name. I'm sorry you would paused and
let you come up with a name. Yeah, I know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Back to the episode. So he slept in the chairs,
the blanket, the umbrella, the cooler, they're on the can.
I just comment because I'm the woman in the group.
Cheryl looks amazing in that bikini.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
She done. Two thoughts Number one, Larry David was asked recently,
what advice would you give your young younger self two trips?
Now which grocery two trips? Two trips, don't try and
do it in one trip.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And he doesn't get this fascination people have with the ocean.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So that's real, Larry David. David, you know, to look
at the ocean and go, I.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Don't really get this fascination that people have with the ocean. No,
I mean I stare at it for ten minutes and
I go, Okay, I get it. Don't you feel calmer?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I feel aggravated.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Then I'm missing what other people are getting.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's all I got to watch it ten minutes. I
get it.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, and that is real.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He's also said, if you've seen one sunset, you've seen
them all.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And then the moment comes. They're lying on the on
the blanket, he's all sun blocked up and he sees
the shrink in a not just a speedo, No, it
was a delight. It was a stripe, it was it
was a thigh.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
It was a ball sack too.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was a ball sack. It was a sight to behold.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Larry didn't see that at first. He saw the front
and he was unsettled, and then he dove down because
he wants Cheryl sees the back his thong on my government.
Now Larry didn't want to include that in the show.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He didn't like it. He was embarrassed. He says, too much.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah's way I know.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But I said to him, my people don't know that.
It's my classic Larry David Lyne. If you don't do that,
I will wrestle you. I will wrestle you so hard
and beat you. And he laughs and he gives in,
and he included it, and it was a huge laugh
in the episode.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And I think anybody who has been in therapy has
that moment. Oh oh, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I mean if I saw my shrink in a well,
she was a woman, but if I saw her, it
would be horrifying to me. I saw her the judgment,
You have to question this person's judgment.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah. It reminds me of when I was a little boy.
I had a history teacher in junior high and he
was wonderful, one of my favorite teachers. The next time
I saw him, my family and I went out to
dinner at a buffet place called Sweden House, and it
was bussing tables at the same time. And so I
was you what I said to him, mister Wynn, how
(27:10):
are you? I didn't question I'm a boy. He did
not question it. And by the way, God bless him,
he actually reacted that way.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
We have our image of these people, like I remember
seeing my principal in the summer in Bermuda shorts when
I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And it blew my mind. He was always in a suit.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Were you wearing culots?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I was probably wearing a squirt or culotts. Once I
saw my shrink walking into the office in a mink
coat which did not fit with her holes, she was
like a be dippy and it completely changed my image
of her. You were not meant to see a shrink
in a thung.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
God no, God no. And by the way, I can't
remember the actor's name. If you guys could research it,
who played the.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Therapist, I haven't written you do?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, but what a brave move, yeah, by an actor
of that age. He was clearly in his fifties to
and not you know, in Adonis to wear that bathing suit.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now, John Plashett John no relation to Susanne.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But he was also very We've hired a lot of
working character actors that I had seen in a lot
of TV and a lot of movies. And for him
to wear that suit and bend over like that, Oh
my god, he very brave. That's acting brave. You know.
People say that performance it was so brave. No, it
wasn't brave wearing a thong like that on the beach Brave.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Then the question is does he tell Richard Lewis about
the thong? Because then we understand that Richard Lewis goes
to the same shrink and does he tell Richard? And
that becomes a big conundrum for him and he does obviously.
Next scene it's you, Richie and Larry and he tells
you about the thong and you're very upset about it.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
You know what, this is so unfair of you. You know,
I turn you on to this guy. He's a brilliant doctor,
but I would have never.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Told you.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Saving you from from on this heaton this gig giving
you advice.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
She's a heating is. It's not a heatonist, what is it?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
This is my twenty eighth therapist since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I don't want to go anymore. I don't want to
break the fucking recap. The recap is very hard. Your
recap is two three months? Isn't it three months for
you to recap?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
That's just a crib.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But you're upset about it because now you don't want
this information.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Oh well, I know i'd have to leave the guy too, exactly.
And now we've got to figure out I've been answering,
let's go to lunch and discuss termination.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right, and you didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I'd two guys pase you didn't.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Do it, because you were shocked later on that you
were not.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And you say to Larry, I've had twenty eight therapists
since nineteen twenty nine, and to go through a new recap,
the recap for you is is hard.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And then you guys start us.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Making fun of the recap. Now have you had that
many therapists, because you've been going for a long time?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I had about six or seven, right, not twenty way back.
And when I just started conning, my father passed away
and I went on stage to fill that hole. I
didn't have mighty money and a friend of mine was
a hospital of this Wallbee brief the hospital administrator, though
he said you can come to it was Queen's Elmer's Hospital.
Hour was that time living in Jersey and some dunk,
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but he said it's a dollar an hour. I went,
WHOA a dollar an hour I could afford? So I
drive fifteen miles to the Queen to forty miles whatever
from Jersey, and I got to interview with the head
of the psychiatric department, and he gives me the standardized tense,
and I think my memory is screwed up.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Even back then he would say this, who's the Secretary
of State? And I just I panicked. I went lu Costello.
I just didn't know, but he and then he said,
who's the UN ambassador Fedruary? I don't care to think that.
Don mean he's writing everything down? Faye ready, Lucastello. So
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he asked me twenty of these, and I was pissed off.
I said, look, my father just died. I just started
to stand up. I'm a wreck. I need to see
his strength. And he kept asking me who is this? Who? What? Who? Forty?
World War One?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The dogs of that.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
By the way, you're making me feel better right now,
because I've had that since that age and probably before,
where there's no way and there's even obvious names friends
of mine.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Then then, Lewis, you say something when you when you're
discussing with Larry how to terminate you say which made
me laugh.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I got it. How am I going to tell him
I'm going to leave now? How am I gonna tellhim
I'm gonna leave now?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I don't know? Is it like a Look, can you
do it on the phone.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You have to do it in person.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
What's fodentially in cable you have to go in aging
human beings helped.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You, you know, And and the termination is always a
big fucking thing with these therapists.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And we're back.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
What did you say, Richard about roots? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yes, that's later.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Richard says, let's go to lunch and figure out a
game plan how we're both going to terminate. And let
Larry says he can't go to lunch because he's being
auctioned off.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
And that's what Richard says.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
What is this fruits that I talked about? Slavery? Slavery reference?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, we know, we got the reference. Thank you do.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I thought you needed to be, you know, an educator.
Fisher a brief.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Moment, Oh my god, I love you God.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
If I make a pull on my shelf every thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's a typical Lewis reference, though, isn't it. That's such
a Lewis.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
We've talked about on our previous episodes. We always point
out the brilliant Lewis references that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Only you could come up here. You better accept so
now somebody's paying him four thousand dollars, he's got to go.
It's a lot of pressure. But blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So Larry shows up at the restaurant and he meets
the person who bought him for four thousand dollars, John Tyler.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, Tom McGowan.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Tom McGowan, very successful.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Character actor, very good friends of mine, you know, and
him and everybody agreed, Yeah, great improv great actor and
the nicest guy, always saying somebody sweet, a very sweet guy.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well you could see he's sweet by his face. And
he was terrific in his disappointment.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And also at not getting a thing that Larry is
doing in the scene.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And but I don't think Larry's behavior was so horrible, No,
because he was uncomfortable. He was uncomfortable, and he was
John Tip Tipper Tippy Canoe and Tyler too, and John
Tyler the president, and I'm related to King David. And
ever catch your parents having sex?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
By the way, by that that came so out of
left field, which made it so funny.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
You ever catch your parents? No, no me either, you
know they did, but you wanted to win.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And then he went to where is it from I'm
from Jersey. You ever see here Joe to the Jersey Guy,
and then he starts doing an impression of Joe Episcopo
during the Jersey Guy and then playing.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
The Salt Pepper Shakers and the you know.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Then he sings in the Marilyn monroepreciate.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Hold on though, that is to me a sublime moment.
He's sitting on, he's playing you ever you ever play
on the salt Shakers? And he's playing a song on
the salt shakers and you recognize it? Happy Birthday? Simple.
John Tyler does not recognize it, and he goes, well,
what is it? Larry goes happy Birthday? He starts stinging
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at regular and then Larry suddenly goes into Marilyn Monroe,
Larry David in prison birthday, mister President. And then he
points at John Tyler about you know, I just thought that.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Was magnificent, magnificent.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, and then of course going into he's got a
terrific penis, etc.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Etc.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And then about the dick growth.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Then he starts in with the growth syndrome, which which
John Tyler's Nie has growth syndrome.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We've established that fact.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And he goes into that it was named that he
thinks it was named after Dick Grote, who was a shortstop.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
For who the Pittsburgh Pirates for the Pirates of his
baseball card.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, and clearly John Tyler is upset about the fact
that he's thinking it's named after Dick wrote.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And then the food comes.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Hold on, I have a thing that is for you guys,
and a handful of other people. So Larry and I
wanted to put a comedian that we knew into the
waiters role. We asked the casting people to get us
Mike Reynolds. Yes, Mike Reynolds, the comedian and.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Sadly no longer here.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, yes, I love the guy. And that man comes
over that scene. Larry and I weren't prepared. Your food
will be coming, older gentlemen, totally miscast as a waiter,
and we both asked, where is what happened to Mike Reynolds?
She booked the wrong micro.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
His name is Mike, and I've never forgotten.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
We were just like, oh.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Mike Reynolds, Yeah, I know, great guy.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And then Larry's food comes and he wants to begin,
but John Tyler's food is not here. Do we have
to start at the same time, a typical larryism.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
When that started in rewatching it, I knew it was over.
The lunch would end shortly because when Larry says something
negative to somebody, it's only gonna build. Yeah, because usually
it's curious, but this is curious mixed with anger. Keep going.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
So that scene has ended, and then we're in the
waiting room again of the shrink when you know that
Larry is gonna try to terminate and Rob comes out.
This shrink only has Rob Lewis and Larry's.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
By the way, did you notice they switched times?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Switch time?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That happens on occasion.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Rob comes out, what's happened? And Larry's like, I tried
to be affable. That's such a Larry thing. I tried
to be affable. I tried to be today I felt pressure.
And Rob's like, didn't you read any of the literature?
And you start eating.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Old I wait, Larry says, I find that stuff depressing.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yes, I find that stuff depressing.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
And then also he says to him, well, you know,
Dick Grote, you know there's short stuff for the pirates,
and he said, what are you doing? Grit Groat The
name's not named after him. He goes, lou Garrick has a.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Disease, and he's right about that. He does have a
disease or did.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And then you start eating and says Rob starts going
through the litany of everything that Larry did wrong and says,
the guy's going to cancel the check because he had
such a miserable time, and he says the only way
that he could, and robs us, you need to get
more involved with groats.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Well, hold on, there's a term. So Larry does ask,
because I'm watching this now, I'm going, why isn't he
asking can I write a check to get it?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
He did ask no, So he did ask.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
That, but it was a while. And the thing that
Rob Reiner said that I wrote down, which God bless
him for improvising this. Larry, that's not the point.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
It's not just giving money. It's it's it's it's getting involved,
you know, in groats.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's being you know, groats active.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
You need to start being more groats active. I was
the phrase he youth, and I was just like, you know, man.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
He talks him into doing a talent show for the
Groat people with groats for hosting a talent show, and.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Then you know at that moment of a Curbs fan
that's going to be hell, hell, hell, hell, hell hell.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
By the way, it's all it's like, it's like I've
mentioned before, Nat Hiken, I have to always explain enough
to explain to you. Richard Nett I can, by the way,
for those you are listening and havn't listened to. He's
a chargeant bill Coe tarfifty four two of my favorite things,
And he's the only writer that Larry resembles because they
start like they do those domino things on.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The Puszic shows.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know where you hit the domino and it goes
in different directions and then it meets together at the end.
That's how Nat Hiken wrote, and that's how Larry David wrote.
I'll traz lead to the moment.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
That everything in the script, in the episode, in the
filming of it has to be pushing the story forward, right,
So it's not just funny for fun He's saying, it
has to be moved. It's all story has to be
moving the story forward. So Larry agrees that he's going
to do the Growths Talent Show, and then the shrink
interrupts and Larry sits down and has big news. I
(39:12):
think I'm all better, which the epiphany.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Epiphany, and then I think, maybe for the first time
ever in this scene, he says.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm feeling pretty good, pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty good.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Pretty pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Now, Anna asked, I think so too, And Anna asked,
where where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Was that a Larry thing before that, pretty pritchard?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Have you ever heard him say that?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Did that become a curb thing?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I think he just improvised it in the moment. You know,
he didn't plan to say that, right, None of us
plan except for someone who's on the score. Okay, but yeah,
you're there, our only planner. You don't do it anymore.
But remember you put an index card like by the
salt shaker if Larry and I having lunch, and then
Larry or I right before they said speed, so we
(40:05):
knew we pulled the card away and used to get
some mesas. But you were brilliant, so we didn't watch twice.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I wanted to come to you once or twice.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
One you're talking to baby. Yes, so all right, so Larry,
so the shrink says to Larry says.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
The promenade, let me just say I said this before
in person. My my rationale for having a couple of
things in my head before the seat that I would
say to myself. Ge Larry wrote this story five six months.
He's been ruminating about it. How could he? He's not
going to stop thorts from coming through his head. I
deserve a couple of that lids in my head dissertation.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Before, by the way, they should be in his head.
And I also want to say, though I've been guilty
of it. When you prep a line that you're going
to say, unless you think of it in the beat before,
it's never going to work.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I never prep a line, but I'll have things in
my head.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Well, your performance is really.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
About things in my head, then, David or not.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
She is different in every take except for one moment,
the get out when you tell her to get out.
That is a consistency. And we just filmed one the
other day and Larry laughs as hard as he ever did.
But that when you do, let her perfect every single time.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
But but there are things that I when I read
the outline, the stuff that goes on, you know what
I mean. But whatever, So Larry says, I'm the terminator,
and the shrink says, was at the beach, Larry, and.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
You know the way he says it.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
He knows, he knows.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Larry doesn't pick up on it, but he knows.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
And Larry lies, I didn't go to the beach, which
is you know, that's the first mistake because he doesn't
know that he didn't turn at an inadvertent moment and
see Larry when he didn't see if he doesn't know
any of this something with my wife and the shrink
looks very very suspicious, And Larry's, oh, I could come
back into amity.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
If you'll have me, If you'll have I like to
come back intermittently, if you'll have me.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
And then.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
He says I'd like to get a refresher course every
once in a while.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
And the strike says, you seem agitated. What about the
Jason Alexander Risher? Do you see magestated? No? And Larry says,
you're seeing a bullion us.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
By the way, how about this one? Yes, I'm sad
and frustrated by it. If you bring up the Holocaust
right now, what kind of reaction are you going to see?
Which is a great line.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
And then Larry says, I'm a hammock, just gently flowing
in the police, and you're such a good therapist that
you're a victim of your own talents and skills. He
tells the guy, and then the spring says, I know
you were at the beach, Larry, So it has nothing
to do with the thong.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, Larry died in that moment. He was dead, and
he was dead and it was so wonderful to watch.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And then he walks out and who's in the waiting
room Richard? Richard Richard, and Larry's like, he's on to us.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
He knows about the thong, and that Larry figures that
John Tyler told Rob because we didn't mention Larry told
John Tyler and the lunch about the thong.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
No, but he figures out right the puzzle. How did
he know? Told John Tyler?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Who told Rob Reiner, who take Rob told the therapist, Yes,
what happened?
Speaker 3 (43:17):
How do you? How do you add it?
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Are you out of it?
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I'm out? I'm out?
Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
How I told him? I told him? I was I
was happy, and I didn't need you told him what
I told him.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
I was happy.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
That's what I'm telling him. How can you steal my germination,
your determination?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
I didn't know you were going to sing you a
I mean, we never discussed that. Am I going to
leave a short?
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I'm miserable, I'm suicidal, I want to leave.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I don't know what am I gonna do? Tell him?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Tell him you're a scientologist or something. Mat could you
steal my termination?
Speaker 4 (43:43):
I was instantaneously in the panic mode, like the IOG.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
It was so beautiful, Richard. It was so beautiful and
completely believable that that would.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Be dealing my termination. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
And then Larry says, tell him you're a scientologist. Where
the fuck he got that one from?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
I'm a therapy person, I think. Instead, he tells me
to watch that movie Battle.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Hold On, hold On, Richard, you saying the first line
and people might not notice it. Where did you get
that fabric? You're feeling his shirt questioning.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
The fatal let me because the shrink comes out. Yeah,
to pretend so that that's when you win.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
By the way, the Battlestar Galactica came from I suggested
it because there was a movie with John Travolta that
was a scientologist movie. Everyone is it's all scientology, big
sci fi movie, huge bomb, And so Larry was trying
to do a reference for think of the movie, and
I said to Larry, just say Battlestar Galactic. Yeah, it'll work,
Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Battlestar Galactic.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
It was. There were two versions. There was one in
the seventies with Lauren Green ANBC I believe, and then
there was one on I believe the Sci Fi Channel
that was scary as can be with Edward James almost
and it was so it was every episode. I had
to shake it off there just.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
When you just talking about the Battlestar thing. There's a
beautiful thread from the beginning of this series to through
now that Larry, as much affection as we have for
each other, he'll always do like this and now live
directed towards me. That's sort of a negative like, oh,
you're gonna watch that piece of crap or you're gonna
and I have to defend myself and say what you
(45:26):
talk me about. I mean, he's always putting me on
the defensive, which a.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Very judgmental of you.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
That's that's the way anybody on the show.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yes, and then we cut to the Talent show and
Larry's show. What does he say the groats laboratories cure
for bald.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
And then he sort of does the whole thing about
enthusiasm with baldness, and then he closed out with his
professor of vice.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
So watch out, bald people, your day's coming.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Don't give up hope. Keep op alive. You must keep
hope alive, bald people, keep your hope up. Bald men,
everywhere the groats people are gonna take care. They cut
to the audience and they're all in disbelief, like what
is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
And then he brings out Melanie Tyler, who is the
niece of John Tyler, and she starts playing the what
is she playing for?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Delise? I think she's getting.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Tyler in the ording right away? The oriente is.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Here we go and she starts all of a sudden,
freaking out and playing really fast. And Larry feels as
though he's standing in the back with Bob Whitey next
to him, one of our directors of the show, and
he feels that he has to go out and save again.
No good deed goes unpunished. That's his mind right away.
Tries to do a good things.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
He should say to my say to himself, how am
I helping things by going out and getting her, let
her play fast, let her freaking rails, that's none of
my concern. Instead, he doesn't take a beat to consider,
and he runs out.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And once again a physical altercation.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Before that, he goes, how about I forget her name?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
How about?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And a big applause comes, And if it was just
that and she kept playing, he also could go all right,
I'm gonna step back. So he had an opportunity, no
cereba and.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
A physical altercation, which he he loves, the physical altar.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I've had them with him. I don't think you ever have, Jeff,
have you who you and.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Larry had a physical and Lewis has had many.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
No, And as a matter of fact, our moments are
unique to us and not how he treats other characters.
The one time we tried it, which I'll talk about
later on, but I'll say right now, we tried one
of the eye things, you know, the long staring eye things.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, I know it didn't.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Work so fucking hard because the way I look at
and we discussed it, we both know with the other
one's line, there's not a moment where you go because
we say, we say to each other, you're full of shit.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You know, it's interesting. I've only had one of those
with him, only one in all the years.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Is naturally funny because we know that you're thinking he's full.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Of I always full.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
And then the episode ends and there we are with
the Thong, directed by Jeff Garless, starring Richard Lewis.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I was so honored. I never did it again on
the show, but I was so honored to be able
to do that, you know, And I said to Larry,
I know it wasn't easy for you. He doesn't like
being directed by a cast mate. All the directors are separate,
separate things. And I said, I know how hard it
was for you, and I can't tell you how much
I thank you. I so appreciate it. Yeah that's the
(48:46):
really Yeah, sure good. And by the way he meant it,
he was happy that I.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Said that, but he's not you know, A buillion and.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
One and maybe just see you it and show lines.
That's it with all twenty two years, that's what being there.
It's passion member directing other than you're in show.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Susie came early on.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
No, No, He's asking directing. Cheryl directed one episode she
did later on season nine.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
But that being said, she was not in.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
That episode that season. She wasn't.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
But was there anybody else? I think you're right, Lewis.
Is nobody else?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
No, no one else.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
That's it And it only happened twice.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Can I say for the record, I had to bother
him and bother him and bother him. And I'm sure
Shell said Larry I wanted to and he said, okay,
you know, I mean, I sure she didn't have to
work hard at all, because she's hard to say no to.
She's so adorable.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
It has been our great thrill and pleasure, jes to
have Richard Lewis as our guest today.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
There was a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Anytime spent with you is a time well spent.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
And we're going to spend a lot of time together
very soon.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
And by the way, I want to add this, he's
one of the people that when I'm shooting a scene
with him, inside my mind I go, wow, I'm doing
a scene with Richard. Because you have to understand, I
watched him.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
For years before I became.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
A comedian, and I was like, what is this guy?
Who is this guy? He's amazing? And then remember, Richard,
I told you what was the name of the Diary
of a Comedian? Was that the name of the film?
Diver Young Comic and get this, so.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Tell them what Diary of a Young Comic is?
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Tell you? And a half movie.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Said, yes, Saturday Night Live wasn't out, I mean, didn't
do an episode that week, and replacing it all across
the country was a movie about a comedian starring Richard Lewis,
and I thought, and you were great in that because
it was funny, but it was so dramatic, and I went,
this is the guy. So to this day I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
And Lewis, what's Lewis? What's our beef? Yours and mine?
We have never in all of these seasons had a
scene together. We've had scenes party, but we've never had
an interaction with each there.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Oh yeah, but the different party, we uhould throw the
ball that U was toured together, and we're oh.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
And we tour together, Susie, Richard and myself.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
And Leon Leon on occasion, and then Leon we call
I don't know it doesn't remember, we call Larry the
Hog because we never had a scene together ever. But
it's so, you know what, there's no complaints. And I
talked to me to praise like that, but I will
and I we love.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
You, Richard, we love you, and we're going to see
you shooting very soon because we're past the audience.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Also want to add, when I tell the number one
thing that people ask me when I tell them we're
shooting another season is Richard.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Is Richard in it? I get asked that one is.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
Richard in A couple of surveys. Knocked me out for
much of the last season.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
But I'm back now, so it's pretty back, baby, stronger way.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's still a big ball of handsome. We've talked about
in these episodes.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
How handsome you are on the page. Shut up, all right,
I rememb turned this computer. Who does I don't want
to do. I don't want to reject.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
You don't worry about in your life.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
You need to do what you do on phone conversations.
You say something funny and then you think, so anytime.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
I stole that from down to show him.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
You see, he's gone.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
He's gone.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
That's what he does. You're talking to you, I know,
and it'll say something really funny that kills you, and
then he's gone and we're gone.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
This episode is over, and we'll see you.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Next time, I'm gonna be abrasive and not say anything
even though I just said something. Bye, thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
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